Now he isn’t even in the league
#esports-discussion
tawdry hamlet
I was never sure since I started watching a lot more consistently and caring more around may melee time of s3 and houston got dumped on every game but then people would defend meko jecse and rapel to death when I didn't really notice if they were good or not lmao
sullen berry
sado is a really good communicator, much like rio sadge
tawdry hamlet
Lowkey houston last year needed a main tank and they'd probably have moved up like 2 places
Muma diff moment
digital cloud
Muma sadge
sullen berry
I watched decay during the may melee tournament against houston
tawdry hamlet
Linkzr was inconsistent but he still performed in games when he actually tried to match the widow and not just ignore it and make danteh do it lmaoo
sullen berry
always came in prepared to dish out a free headshot on Rapel and Linkzr
tawdry hamlet
The rialto map
tawdry hamlet
trail perch
If Jecse, Rapel, Meko, Danteh, and apparently Blasé, where all good
tawdry hamlet
If they hadn't left danteh on echo as the only counter to an S tier widow they'd might have done a lil better but instead they left him mostly open like shooting gallery 
digital cloud
Repel wasn’t that good
tawdry hamlet
Linkzr bad, Muma bad, danteh only fucks on tracer and is like B on everything else
tawdry hamlet
They played boink often too
digital cloud
That too
tawdry hamlet
And weren't the supports on ping? I swear one of them was
digital cloud
Never just jecse
And rawkus over rapel sometimes
Very tragic
And by tragic I mean stupid
Inordinately stupid
tawdry hamlet
Well we will see now if the support downgrades were worth the dps upgrade and main tank ugprades and off tank down/side grades
Hyped for league
digital cloud
Honestly Joobi might actually be good
tawdry hamlet
I hope joobi shows up and isn't like another halo
earnest leaf
Houston also had hydration on MT
tawdry hamlet
Crimzo I think was like B tier but because of the general inconsistency and initial disappointment of dallas as a whole dragged him down. I mean when you're working with paintbrush you can't do that much
B on moira at least lmao
digital cloud
Should have tried for fissure after the Titans debacle
tawdry hamlet
Idk any other heroes tho
tawdry hamlet
Wonder where the cutoff is before orgs start to stop spending money, because we always think like "oh if (insert team) had one more good player they'd be insane)" like in dallas's case they literally just needed one more dps upgrade and could have been a locked top 3 spot so why didn't the org just put in the money if it meant going farther.
If only Dallas would go get Libero 
Libero or a cheap hitscan like jerry probably would have benefited them a lot
Since doha is just ok and sparkle can't flex to save his life
sand violet
jerry would not have benefited them at all when they have xzi
if anything a t2 flex tracer player like assassin wouldve been more helpful
can cover a little of the proj and the tracer
tawdry hamlet
I wonder when we will see hybrid play 
Oh yeah london has shax now I lowkey forgot 
Hoping this meta stays so we can see rush from london again
feral zodiac
I mean dallas definitely spent big to get those players
next mesa
at least jerry can play ashe
tawdry hamlet
Xzi moment
But come on there's no way the mechanical diff of xzi wouldn't give him better ashe than jerry I think 🤔
But maybe
feral zodiac
Idk how good Jerry actually is
tropic herald
May Melee is in live patch so yes rush should be NA meta
tawdry hamlet
limber pine
So you’re saying Boston has a chance
vagrant cargo
cedar oasis
Players who people think are gods but are actually meh
Kevster
Ttuba
Blase
Nah you ttuba fans need to stop smoking especially
balmy wolf
There are people that think ttuba's a god?
balmy wolf
I think Kevster's really good but people still overrate him
Like he ain't the western OWL jesus
He's probabnly just like
a very good player
lmao
I think blase is actually okay and he'll have a good year
he already looked pretty good in that SteelSeries tournament
Not amazing but
He'll be ok
how can the 2021 MVP be overhyped
Houston kills souls tbh
I'm sad for Happy
he deserves better than that team will give him
send him back to china 😦
houston gonna do well imo
i dont see it
vivid dawn
Jake carry
mortal abyss
Today is the one year anniversary of “sex big dick”
balmy wolf
Stop
raw ermine
intercourse
large penis
balmy wolf
STOP
mortal abyss
sexual activity, including specifically sexual intercourse.
Above average sized male genitals
royal apex
Nero's a cutie, but please tell me he's skilled too
balmy wolf
he is
little tusk
What do u guys think of Logix
balmy wolf
but wtf is that name? xD
balmy wolf
lol
royal apex
It's not my fault he's cute and can carry
balmy wolf
understandable
mortal abyss
What do u guys think of Logix
He’s a very cool guy
little tusk
I meant in terms of skill haha
balmy wolf
average
mortal abyss
He’s pretty good, not as explosive as other hitscan players but definetly a good player who will work well with heesu
raw ermine
Twitter
timid ingot
do anyone know if AU have Open Division in 2021?
raw ermine
it either hasn't been documented, or didn't happen. I am leaning towards didn't happen, as the teams in trials all came from the bottom 4 of contenders
raw ermine
the bottom 4 went to trials, and the top 2 of that went back to contenders for the next season
clear birch
little tusk
what team do u guys think will be the biggest upset?
trail perch
I think glads
balmy wolf
Is it even possible for them to upset? Pretty much everyone's predicting they'll be in the top 4
next mesa
thats not what biggest upset means 💀
little tusk
thats not what biggest upset means 💀
yes it can
a good team super underperforming is also an upset
I lowkey hope paris will do good
I like onigod
next mesa
when a lower seed beats a higher seed team that's an upset
obviously that can be because the higher seed team didnt do so good
I dont know
balmy wolf
not so much an upset because i dont see them seriously contending, but i just got this feeling guangzhou will somehow still be the 2nd best china team this year
they just make their roster work
next mesa
yeah but on paper apac is stacked
I really hope they get their visas
come on let them play video games
little tusk
yeah I have a feeling fusion will underperform as well
next mesa
I think mano is better than sado
balmy wolf
lmao welcome to me in meat sports
feral zodiac
I think sado is better on rein/winston but mano is better on ever other main tank
earnest leaf
Twitter
mortal abyss
😦
next mesa
avrl is so good
balmy wolf
His co-streams are so much fun
next mesa
yes
tropic herald
Avrl is such a good caster, he has this style thats so nice to listen to
raw ermine
ahhh no wolf
mortal abyss
Tbf he wouldn’t even be casting for like half the season
balmy wolf
kevster 2021 MVP pog
tropic herald
I wonder which variation of rush we will see
Doom or MEi
maybe it is a map pref or team pref
digital cloud
Looks like mostly mei so far
balmy wolf
mei
digital cloud
But I think some maps will be decent for doom
balmy wolf
theres no way doom gets played
tropic herald
I just think teams like Glads are probably running Doom rush
digital cloud
I wonder if any of the experimental changes go through lol
tropic herald
none will for may melee
digital cloud
Probably not but some would be fun
tropic herald
theres no way doom gets played
i was in this boat bc you know, doom bad but i've been seeing some more teams run it and it honestly looks really good especially with the zarya and even still with the dva
Also
balmy wolf
in contenders yeah
mortal abyss
https://twitter.com/hexagrams/status/1378784554039713796?s=21
He's going to elaborate on stream
balmy wolf
danedd is dooms father
mortal abyss
trail perch
Hex
digital cloud
so much talent gone
sad
well, owl is nothing if not good at getting casting talent
in fact that is about the only thing owl is good at
mortal abyss
Apprently jspecs scheduled some of the first matches
sullen berry
how else would he have scripted the league? 
tropic herald
Given one of the first matches is the top 2 teams of most power rankings I am not surprised
mortal abyss
Given one of the first matches is the top 2 teams of most power rankings I am no...
aswell as the battle of texas
worn falcon
i am waiting for the sequel for toilet bowl
tropic herald
That’s what everyone is saying
Doesn’t surprise me, they probably need to mesh their team still
thin relic
theres legit talent on valiant
tropic herald
Yes, some players on valiant are pretty good just a few are not
plush grail
what IF
la valiant has a decent showing at the start of the season
would some players like superrich and diya change their minds?
digital cloud
maybe?
digital cloud
diya was only considering them doing well yes?
next mesa
he quit team cc
next mesa
well he thought they were gonna go 0-16 and he was like no
well he only retired because no owl
trail perch
He said it would destroy his mental to fail again
he couldnt handle to be on the second s1 shanghai
thin relic
there's a good version of the valiant roster
and its
diya molanran krystal (maybe you'd want a more specialized flex dps too even though krystal is flexible)
silver3 highbee
superrich wya
next mesa
not bad
but better than guangzhou?
i think its spark not figuring out which lineup to use yet
tropic herald
It’s a shame they don’t have a Chinese flex dps
Then they could just pound with a full Chinese team
plush grail
dding
plush grail
oh yeah shit
i totally just assumed he was chinese because i only remember him from shanghai dragons
sullen berry
https://m.twitch.tv/clip/PolishedAttractiveCarabeefTooSpicy-jYNspr-cpRgMLxxf
yep that's 2/2, Yiska and now Volamel - our only windows to the inner workings of APAC these days
plush grail
yep that's 2/2, Yiska and now Volamel - our only windows to the inner workings o...
i still think its gzc
raw ermine
Gzc I feel have a few too many possibly weak spots, mainly at support, which would allow them to fall
Nyxl could also
next mesa
Kariv and Mandu are solid
raw ermine
They were both meh last year
sand violet
That good version of the valiant is almost certainly as good or better than charge
next mesa
idk
next mesa
okay dps might be equal
trail perch
Kariv always been cracked
next mesa
no the one with diya superich
trail perch
Ohhh maybe
next mesa
but I could see charge just tank diffing them
although isnt highbee really good
but I have no idea who silver3 is
wait both of them hasnt played pro in a year?
tf
man's all gold in history but not signed
balmy wolf
wait both of them hasnt played pro in a year?
They both played Contenders last season.
T1w were pretty much overall the 2nd/3rd best team in China, they just bombed hard during S2 playoffs so missed Gauntlet.
tropic herald
i still think its gzc
Hangzhou manager put out some statement related to it iirc
balmy wolf
^
i get that you dont wanna be doing super well in scrims because you actually wanna learn but
there's a limit lmfao
tropic herald
I’m not all that scared for Hangzhou, this is exactly how season 2 went
balmy wolf
if you kept half your team from year to year you cannot be consistently doing worse in scrims than a team that's existed for less than a month
you just cant be
tropic herald
if you kept half your team from year to year you cannot be consistently doing wo...
I doubt they are running last years roster, 12 man roster things
balmy wolf
i got like negative faith in hangzhous management to make their team work
the exact opposite for guangzhou, i have total faith in their management to get their roster to work
tropic herald
I think once Hangzhou finds their starting 6 they will be fine but they probably field all 12 players in scrims
tropic herald
Flow chart for starting 6- just play your Chinese talent + architect
balmy wolf
should be
legit question after the ny-gz open scrim
...should gz be focusing on jihun more than rio?
like should they just be this year's chengdu?
they looked so much better with him in, immediately
unless they wanna force brawl in apac i guess
gz's brawl looked insanely clean
mandu back on lucio gives me life
raw ermine
rio is better on just about everything except for ball, so I think it's meta dependant
balmy wolf
I guess. just find it super weird how that team pulled together the instant jihun was in
wanton birch
how do you think t1 vs gen g is gonna go
tawdry hamlet
saw a few days ago people asking how bqb lives at 800 2.4 and honestly after giving it a try
it really isn't that bad
tracer I think the minimum should be three tho as you can't do full turns after blinking lmao
unless your mousepad is fat af and I have a qck+ which is relatively big
next mesa
how do you think t1 vs gen g is gonna go
Depends if stalker plays
Geng looks weaker this year
Also stalker should be in oel
Owl
raw ermine
why wouldn't they play stalker if he's OWL ready?
sand violet
rio cannot tank dif silver3
theyre like
p equal
both just
mid at best
and crong is better than highbee on some heroes
but like even if there was a tank dif it wouldnt be the biggest in the world
and personally im taking that valiant's dps and sups
superrich wya >>> mandu kariv imo
well tbh dps might be matched
next mesa
Chat silent 😶
devout path
is anything even going on rn
tawdry hamlet
Uber easter pog!
fickle latch
Hmm hi i wanted to ask did they change the contenders skins or is it the same?
plush light
unless your mousepad is fat af and I have a qck+ which is relatively big
I have the same mousepad. What I'm amazed about is his junk tires and how he uses 30 zoom sens
feral zodiac
I think rio gets slept on
tawdry hamlet
I have the same mousepad. What I'm amazed about is his junk tires and how he use...
yeah even on his 2.4 800 I still have to do the 37.89 and 51.47 because idk if it is just me but I cannot stand having my zoom sense be higher or lower than my regular sense because then it is like wtf I have to train two different sensitivities lol
raw ermine
Hmm hi i wanted to ask did they change the contenders skins or is it the same?
They did. Gimme a few minutes and I will find out what they are now
limber pine
echo and brig i believe
limber pine
huehuehue
devout path
https://twitter.com/person15344/status/1378808222560133121
loll
limber pine
@cedar oasis when are you doing your pickem picks?
limber pine
I'll be severely disappointed if you don't have them in your bottom 5.
next mesa
l0l
feral zodiac
How do I do a pickem picks
raw ermine
How do I do a pickem picks
feral zodiac
Ty
scarlet portal
is there gonna be any other skins after roadhog and echo?
balmy wolf
OWL MVPs won't be getting skins from now on, but the championship teams probably still will.
next mesa
tragic
plush grail
OWL MVPs won't be getting skins from now on, but the championship teams probably...
we don't get championship team skins, we just get the yearly sf shock skin
feral zodiac
Blizzard battletag isn't required is it?
scarlet portal
for?
feral zodiac
Pickem picks
feral zodiac
Why is it not put as required then ffs
mortal abyss
next mesa
pfft im sure they will figure it out if u win
next mesa
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1379107773292675078?s=21
FUSION
mortal abyss
😦
next mesa
didnt they lost to AT on a scrim
feral zodiac
Wat
balmy wolf
Lots of teams did though allegedly.
plush grail
i mean fusion makes sense
the offtank, main support and 2 of the dps are stuck on high ping
poko is probably totally unable to eat anything as sig or dva or hit any accretion rocks
next mesa
they gonst to play carpe rascal doe
mortal abyss
ive heard that fusion r scrimming NA teams though
plush grail
even if they scream na teams
mortal abyss
on NA servers
plush grail
the koreans are on high ping
feral zodiac
Shock allegedly got stomped by NY
mortal abyss
korea to na is nowhere near as bad as eu to kr
plush grail
shock is shit in scrims
outlaws are scrim kings
shock is a 2 time champ, and outlaws never won anything
scrimbux to the MOOOOON
feral zodiac
Outlaws are garbage
balmy wolf
You don't want to win all of your scrims, how do you learn anything then lmao Outlaws
next mesa
0-7
feral zodiac
London will surprise ppl
next mesa
and outlaws like
crimzo's attitude
guys we're doing so good in scrims this is our season omegalul
plush grail
guys we're doing so good in scrims this is our season omegalul
gets 3-0'd by paris
feral zodiac
Isn't their head coach meant to be like 'there is no 1 good in contenders' every year
Then they get rolled by rookies
balmy wolf
Happy's streaky and boom-prone during bad patches, they've gotta keep him happy even if they're losing
plush grail
Isn't their head coach meant to be like 'there is no 1 good in contenders' every...
isn't he gone
feral zodiac
Idk
plush grail
danteh said flame said that
plush grail
probably
tropic herald
All i know is fusion scrims na and eu
feral zodiac
Such a pepega take
tropic herald
kr and eu*
feral zodiac
'No good talent in contenders'
digital cloud
lol
plush grail
tbh should not be in the league at all if u think there's no good talent in contendies
digital cloud
Houston deserves to lose with that attitude
tropic herald
flame got sacked a while ago
digital cloud
good riddance
feral zodiac
Probably beat AT in scrims and decided that was it
feral zodiac
Bro the korean teams would genuinely be going for top 10 in owl
plush grail
yeah the housotn outlaws manager was just obsessed with picking up old veterans
digital cloud
I mean the veterans stay good for a while in ow, true
feral zodiac
'Old'
tropic herald
even just look at na tendies
digital cloud
mostly "bad"
feral zodiac
They r all like 22 at the oldest lmao
tropic herald
multiple flex supports that could be considered good
digital cloud
linkzr, boink, muma
feral zodiac
Oh god muma
digital cloud
ms kind of a desert though
tropic herald
ojee and then
feral zodiac
West stacked with ms
digital cloud
moth is like the only good ms na ever produced
craggy sandal
Flame said that in the beginning of s2
feral zodiac
Fdgod moth funnyastro for the west
tropic herald
I guess theres Superrich
feral zodiac
Then like
digital cloud
forgot astro
feral zodiac
Ljg for the east
trail perch
Hehe apsen
digital cloud
wait, isn't fdgod french
trail perch
aspen
digital cloud
then they are europe, not na
feral zodiac
I said west
digital cloud
moth still only good na ms
plush grail
still so funny how crimzo is considered the best na flex support because na legit has 0 other flex supports
tropic herald
Ultraviolet:/
next mesa
Crimzo is good he is the best western flex support like ok hes like not even top 15
plush grail
Ultraviolet:/
lmaoo yeah he's prolly better
digital cloud
ultraviolet yes
tropic herald
Luke Bap one trick
digital cloud
lukemino is meh
balmy wolf
eu though isnt he
Lukemino's American
feral zodiac
Is Aztac korean
balmy wolf
Yes
tropic herald
All the good flex supports in na tendies are Bap one tricks except for ultra Violet
digital cloud
bap is super good rn though
are they just playing bap mostly or can they only play bap?
feral zodiac
Y do I see ppl saying Aspen deserves an owl spot?
digital cloud
cuz female and moderately good
feral zodiac
Has she been rly good in contenders?
tropic herald
are they just playing bap mostly or can they only play bap?
The latter
next mesa
She shouldn't be because shes female though
balmy wolf
Aspen doesn't deserve OWL
tropic herald
I think Aspen is good but I don’t know if she can take an owl spot
balmy wolf
By merit
plush grail
Aspen doesn't deserve OWL
but she hit rank 1 !!!!111!!!
balmy wolf
cool!!!!!!
tropic herald
digital cloud
well she might be better than a few people in owl currently
tropic herald
Read the caption
feral zodiac
Ngl some of the Houston players r good in comp
craggy sandal
Danteh and piggy are ranked warriors
next mesa
any good flex supports
digital cloud
I would expect the players from other teams to be better but
plush grail
any good flex supports
kaan
next mesa
in contendies
feral zodiac
Uhhh
next mesa
ultraviolet okay what about the korea nside
feral zodiac
Na contendies or contendies in general?
tropic herald
Korea contenders kinda meh rn but T1 looks good
balmy wolf
Idk why Aspen has people vouching for her saying she's amazing and stuff, she pretty much never demonstrates it. Finnsi vouched on her latest LFT post saying "best MS in Contenders" and he didn't seem to be cappin
She is
NOT
lmao
tropic herald
And CC
next mesa
like vigilante?
craggy sandal
Finn is good
digital cloud
why we gotta hate on aspen
digital cloud
most of na is bad
next mesa
starlight or whatever
balmy wolf
Not hating on Aspen
next mesa
starlight got fucking smacked
plush grail
why we gotta hate on aspen
just dumb how people are overhyping her so much
next mesa
it was an hour of d3cal trying to do something while his team gets fucking dumpstered
balmy wolf
I absolutely hate how Contenders teams can sell their spots to other teams. Starlight have no business being in Contenders.
next mesa
HALF
digital cloud
can't they lose it though?
feral zodiac
Does half play main supp
next mesa
fs for cc
feral zodiac
Internet diff
next mesa
but like
digital cloud
from trials?
next mesa
I dont know what he did
fuck
im not making sense
i dont know who he is*
Nope im working with a shitty school laptop that cant handle more than 2 chrome tabs u have no excuse
fast fingers bb
balmy wolf
owo
tropic herald
No
next mesa
also innovation owl plz hello
next mesa
how the fuck did he not get signed idk
oh team cat
they changed their fuckin logo
man
tropic herald
Oh yeah forgot about that
balmy wolf
The new logo is so bad
tropic herald
Innovation to Dallas please
balmy wolf
Old old team
balmy wolf
Liquipedia just keeps the pages around
next mesa
ah
tropic herald
I assume they just leave the old tabs there so it’s easy to find
No real reason to get rid of it
balmy wolf
I really think Houston should've picked him up over Piggy
next mesa
but tank duo
idk
is diya like retired retired
what the fuck someone is 16 damn okay
tropic herald
I’m surprised no teams yoinked Pokpo
next mesa
fucking tragic
balmy wolf
He doesn't feel like playing in T2 right now, he's being picky with OWL contracts and then he has his streaming contract set up in a way that would be getting in the way of OWL contracts too
balmy wolf
He deserves to be in OWL but he really ain't helping himself atm
balmy wolf
yup
balmy wolf
Pretty sure he's 17
next mesa
next year lets go
balmy wolf
Oh wow, Team Cat released all their Korean players a few days ago
next mesa
yea
tropic herald
Why did they rebrand Team Cat
balmy wolf
i'm so interested in whatever guangzhou and their owners have going on
with the whole ultra prime thing
they're legit setting something big up over there
next mesa
arent they really good this year
balmy wolf
guangzhou are gonna be fine this year. not amazing but not awful tbh
next year they're gonna be a team to watch
next mesa
AVRL said something
balmy wolf
because their org is starting to throw the money around hugely
now that they're finally set up in guangzhou
next mesa
with pyramid scheme money poggers
balmy wolf
yeah everyone says that without realising their owners are super rich anyway
mortal abyss
Guangzhou will win 2021 because of herbalife powerup
balmy wolf
this ain't the sponsor money
next mesa
obviously they are super rich its china
but like
then why take pyramid scheme money bro
balmy wolf
bc it's literally free
🤷♀️
it's business. teams in every single sport accept shady sponsorships.
digital cloud
strictly speaking a mlm is not a pyramid scheme is why
balmy wolf
Also yeah that
digital cloud
of course it is only a legal difference pretty much but
digital cloud
cuz it mostly doesn't actually matter
balmy wolf
Yeah
digital cloud
but they wouldn't be able to take it from a pyramid scheme is all
balmy wolf
at the end of the day Herbalife are also happily carried by the LA Galaxy and literally Ronaldo so it's not like this is just a GZ thing lmao
digital cloud
mlms are basically the equivalent of ||filming sex with a prostitute so that is counts as porn and isn't illegal||
balmy wolf
lmao yeah sorta
i know that they've been investigated a bunch and basically the closest they've gotten is "well it's not not a pyramid scheme" and then had to change some vague shit about how they work
digital cloud
but anyway, it doesn't matter all that much, I just have this personal thing with doTerra
the Charge itself looks promising
balmy wolf
they're a weird team but
people expecting them to properly compete this year gotta snap out of it
that's not the point of their 2020 roster
mortal abyss
Twitter
limber pine
nice
balmy wolf
but their management's great and it's cool that they absolutely know that they need to be building around Eileen and Cr0ng
digital cloud
vikkikitty
balmy wolf
ayyyyy Jaws
digital cloud
ooh jaws back
for some reason that reminds me of a smash announcer
but that seems wrong
digital cloud
still gonna miss the people who aren't making it
balmy wolf
And it's a super solid casting lineup
digital cloud
wolf was good
mortal abyss
In the words of dababy - “less gooo”
digital cloud
I get attached to all the casters
they are all so good
shame monte turned out to be a stinker
balmy wolf
Wolf was good I just wish he got off of 2017-18 KR Contenders' dick every now and then. He tried forcing that stuff even where it was totally irrelevant
ke
balmy wolf
rap god j 
k e
digital cloud
jake was a good announcer even with how new he was at it
balmy wolf
yup
digital cloud
perhaps he returns
god I hope ow 2 drops soon so the league keeps hanging on
also it looked cool to play so that would be nice
sullen berry
@mortal abyss this was frankly next best choice, shame that dickomode couldn't sign them
balmy wolf
lol
cedar oasis
ratlanta bad
noble nexus
d
balmy wolf
mboozled
fickle latch
They did. Gimme a few minutes and I will find out what they are now
Did you find it 😅 ?
raw ermine
Spriteguy responded w/ echo and brig, so I assumed he was right, cause he probably is
lemme check RN
raw ermine
Did you find it 😅 ?
he was right, brig and echo. They pinned it to their twitter account, so next time you wanna check, i suggest going there
raw ermine
and the world
limber pine
aye
mortal abyss
Soon is stuck in France so he’s probably just frustrated about that
next mesa
Was soon not able to get a visa?
Honestly he'll only be there for the tracer and maybe sombra
Still a really important role though
limber pine
He’s really their only tracer/Sombra afaik
I don’t remember if valentine played Sombra at all
mortal abyss
Was soon not able to get a visa?
france had a 2nd lockdown otherwise he would of been in NA
same with poko
iirc
next mesa
I don’t remember if valentine played Sombra at all
Im37 played sombra but he was doodoo
next mesa
Ayo what the fuck
Fearless my boi 🥺🥺 🥺🥺🥺
I'm fucking sad
Fearless such a nice person
Sparkle should walk with him
Dumpster the racists
tropic herald
Yeah I saw that earlier today, I hate racists
mortal abyss
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/mkr997/fearless_has_been_...
So fucking dumb how people can be this shitty
I know OWL doesn't need to do this but with the amount of Korean/Chinese players in the league. I think there should be a bigger emphasis on raising awareness coming into S4
mortal abyss
nah
plush grail
main support and off tank stuck on high ping
mortal abyss
even if this is true philly would be playing a 4v6 because eu to kr is unplayable
plush grail
poko is on high ping and pretty much useless, same for astro he can maybe play lucio as a healbot, tracer on high ping is doable so i guess shockwave can play tracer and eqo is just fucked as a projectile player
mortal abyss
Yeah
plush grail
at this point just give all the players not in korea a option for a two-way contract
mortal abyss
Philly management are hopefully smart enough to see fusion wont get results with astro and poko on high ping and will pick up unique/clestyn on a 2 way for the first bit of the season
plush grail
let them join a contenders team to keep sharp
and let some people from t1 stand in for them
mortal abyss
Philly management are hopefully smart enough to see fusion wont get results with...
The only problem with this is that they would be comming in korean which would make it harder to intergrate the western players once they get into kr
mortal abyss
let them join a contenders team to keep sharp
from what i've heard they (eu fusion players as well as a couple of others like jkaru) still scrim on eu servers with eu contenders teams/ london and paris
digital cloud
wait, that is a joke right?
tropic herald
No
raw ermine
doesn't sound like it
raw ermine
Twitter
past spoke
:(
little tusk
Rip Philly
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/fusion/status/1379208652020662272?s=21
Concerned if this is in fact bottom team in APAC due to ping difficulties, they really don't deserve to be masked as the team below Valiant but for too vague to call it now.
next mesa
It is
I mean
Halo said it
could be the only possible solution
its 250 ping
eu to kr
tawdry hamlet
So say they just don't use shockwave or eqo, they'll still have rascal carpe which can cover the important stuff but not having poko or astro at full strength and not having a second sniper/echo flex dude will hurt them
Shame they upgraded their roster just to get rekt by distance
jolly steeple
this might be a godsend if they can get an upgrade over poko
although it sucks that they're cut off from the team
tawdry hamlet
Was thinking about that like what if they just signed a korean free agent tank for a backup thing
jolly steeple
they could sign kalios and have him get playtime even with poko back
tawdry hamlet
It will be absolutely tragic if they perform awful after picking up shockwave and rascal
But if they need a fill in off tank I know someone who's free rn and happens to have experience working with mano
Hotba moment
next mesa
Mek0 moment
tropic herald
literally just promote clestyn
ez fix
not only is he in kr he is also better than poko
tawdry hamlet
Forgot t1 was philly's academy team nowadays
But yes just do that lol
They would have to do two way or find another for t1 tho
burnt trout
Can you get league tokens by watching esports
sullen berry
Halo said it
I was under the impression it was Chengdu who might have the same network issues being furtherest away from Korean servers
sullen berry
Can you get league tokens by watching esports
Yeah nah
You can watch contenders and collegiate stream to earn skins, not Tokens on the contenders website
next mesa
I was under the impression it was Chengdu who might have the same network issues...
thats like 60 ping max
burnt trout
Oof yeah I've seen challenges promising tokens and they've never worked for me so I kinda figured they were bs
sullen berry
It's not, just Tokens for specific events
We learned maybe a week in advance that you can get OWL Tokens for watching the Flash ops tournament
That was for one weekend and you probably only got 25-30 tokens if you watched the maximum number of hours for NA tournament only
sullen berry
thats like 60 ping max
No I remember it being a lot worse than 60 ping, they didn't say how bad but it was disruptive enough that we got 3fps ameng webcam
somber adder
Anyone have any favorites for 2021 Champs?
plush grail
Anyone have any favorites for 2021 Champs?
not really
imo shock is looking weaker this year
and i really think glads is also gonna shit the bed
somber adder
and i really think glads is also gonna shit the bed
😦 As an LA Gad Supporter. That hurts me 
Washington J as my back up team.
somber adder
justice is looking good tho
I watched their Open Scrim against Spitfire. Looked very in control.
plush grail
did justice and spitfire play?
plush grail
tbh kinda surprising london and paris never did a open scrim
somber adder
tbh kinda surprising london and paris never did a open scrim
Probably because it was last 100 games and then Paris would surrender.
idle gorge
i kinda hope it's going to be an agressive rein meta this year
somber adder
i kinda hope it's going to be an agressive rein meta this year
Yeah, I do enjoy aggressive meta's.
Previous sniper meta was ok. had some fun moments.
idle gorge
sniper can be exciting with some insane widow players
but sniper can also be really boring
just depends on the teams/players
somber adder
100%
idle gorge
i would love to see rein zarya or maybe rein winston
but main tanks so that's not gonna happen
somber adder
Lucio speed boosting a Rein into a Anna'd power up Rein smashing onto points would be amazing to watch.
idle gorge
but then should would just be even better cause they have the best rein and one of the best zarya's in super and choi
imagine if they still had sinatraa
or decay to play zarya for them
but i doubt we will se anything else for ball zarya sigma orisa
mortal abyss
i kinda hope it's going to be an agressive rein meta this year
May melee seedings are on the current patch sooo...
forest raven
Pretty sure NA is big on rein rush rn
cursive plover
I mean except for KR and CH doesn't almost everyone play rein rush?
ofc those two are a pretty big part of the league
mortal abyss
but is rein meta rn?
Yeah it’s rush meta
idle gorge
wait so we might actually see super in action??
i mean i'm not a sf shock supporter but i am a super fanboy
idle gorge
otherwise we'll just need a genji meta 
willow tartan
Is it just me or is the contenders stream quality doo doo?
idle gorge
is contenders now?
sullen berry
this is what I expect 4K to be like for OWL
interpolated from 1080p stream
contenders stream here for KR is pretty low, even for 1440p
willow tartan
yeah why does it look so bad
sullen berry
I personally believe knowing the production behind it
it's not enough resources to make it good
or ELOHell production not up to 1440p standard so make it 60fps at the bare minimum
you also have to know it's just a feed from the Korea streams, which they might have zero control over the feed
idle gorge
kenobi how can i connect my youtube account to my blizzard account for the drops?
@sullen berry do i have to have the contenders player open while i watch to get drops?
oh nvm you can't you have to watch through the contenders player to get the rewards
sullen berry
yup :))
cursive plover
sig ball in contenders 😮
sullen berry
only in APAC
AU included
the hero diversity and desire not to play mirror into your opponents
sullen berry
little tusk
What meta do u guys expect to be played?
Honestly as long as it's not sombra/reaper im okay with whatever
idle gorge
rein, zarya, echo, tracer, supports idk, mercy zen or smtn ana maybe idk which supports are good rn
ashe is a good shout
mccree will probably get some playing time
little tusk
u'd expect more mccree if u check out the top 500 tbh
dude's being played by everyone
raw ermine
yeah
he needs to lose the 25 hp
I feel that dva will also be played
possible more than zarya
noble nexus
rein dva mccree is most likely rn ig
little tusk
sounds like a decent meta tbf
next mesa
Apac not playing so much rein
noble nexus
it's fine I only want the rein for my super rein fix
noble nexus
a few of their players are on ping so I'd start to panic if they don't pickup unique and clestyn to replace them by the start of the season
limber pine
yeah i'm a little surprises we haven't seen any info about replacements
makes me feel like they still have hope to get them there on time
limber pine
lol
they could bring up Zest or MN3 if they are really worried about it
depending on if you want Carpe on the sniper or tracer in double bubble
balmy wolf
Zest is eligible in June and MN3 is not eligible.
next mesa
Carpe should be on widow ashe cree get a tracer player
balmy wolf
Sign Innovation, your DPS line is fixed.
limber pine
true
or Diya 😢
i cry
Kadalis?
I've only ever Zest and MN3 play
I didn't even know T1 had a third dps
balmy wolf
I really think getting a Tracer player would be better than just another hitscan, surely you'd rather have Carpe on the snipers
balmy wolf
mhm
balmy wolf
innovation really is the perfect answer here
kind ridge
Hehe
next mesa
Too bad people like dalton are in the league but not innovation
limber pine
Dalton cheap
kind ridge
Dalton got picked up last minute before may melee and with how bad they did they wouldn’t sell dalton for much so they decided to re sign him bc it would be cheaper
earnest leaf
Dalton the best flex dps
kind ridge
better than fleta
balmy wolf
dalton 2021 mvp
next mesa
Titans would've won s2 if dalton was playing instead of haksal
limber pine
balmy wolf
big oof
devout path
soon
plz
boston is throwing
this is sad
i was looking foward to my team doing ok 
limber pine
Ready for the im37 sniper/Colourhex tracer dps line
balmy wolf
wow
limber pine
ACE isn't on WGS
devout path
does colourhex even tracer
digital cloud
No need for soon anyway
balmy wolf
They needed his Tracer tbh
trail perch
Didnt ace play tracer for them in finals?
devout path
No need for soon anyway
tracer
trail perch
No ace did play for WGS
devout path
who will tracer
devout path
but those arent tracer players
devout path
tracer metas will not be good for boston
balmy wolf
Just get someone to learn Tracer in a week like Eileen did 4head
trail perch
Ill bet money on them signing Ace
digital cloud
Just make colorhex do it
trail perch
Yes one of the worst DPS in the league
devout path
colourhex wouldnt stand a chance against decent teams
trail perch
Just make him do it
digital cloud
And? What else are they gonna do? Im37 would be their ideal widow/Ashe
Valentine is mostly projectile
Maybe Valentine has a pocket tracer
devout path
every dps player has a pocket tracer
digital cloud
I assume colorhex though most likely will have to do it unless they pick up another player
devout path
but thats not good enough for owl
devout path
then they wouldnt be good at anything
tracer needs a specialist which soon was
hopefully boston can find a tracer in contenders
but that will be hard cuz rush meta
sterile bay
sigma from oddysey
earnest leaf
Rip soon
devout path
sigma from oddysey
true
limber pine
time to slide BOS down a few spots
limber pine
yup
plus they don't have to pay him because its related to COVID
pay him *his full salary
devout path
time to slide BOS down a few spots
i just want boston to do ok for once