NOT IN THE LEAGUE
#esports-discussion
tawdry hamlet
I think there was just too many flexible and far cheaper players in apac contenders
forest raven
tawdry hamlet
Since libero would want more than an entry level salary I'd assume when players like valentine exist
forest raven
He deserves more than 50k
tawdry hamlet
Well yeah
forest raven
Also Libero has the flexibility
tawdry hamlet
But I presume rookies are cheap af and when they perform at a high level it's just more cost effective 
Shame though
Libero 😭
Linkzr Logix and Dalton all stayed at what I imagine are pretty hefty salaries over t2 rookies but nobody could grab libero 
Unless he just didn't want to play or did bad In scrims who knows
tawdry hamlet
Tbf I don't see a korean signing with titans
forest raven
Oh absolutely
tawdry hamlet
I see teru because he's like new and trying to get on anywhere but libero has the rep to not go there
forest raven
I'm just malding Libero can't fuck on people this year
tawdry hamlet
forest raven
balmy wolf
good video pog
sullen berry
ehh, we try
tawdry hamlet
balmy wolf
its a countdown right
sullen berry
it is
sullen berry
it's in my discord name too
sullen berry
1 -Chengdu
2- Atlanta
3- Boston
4- Dallas
Today - London
Tomorrow - ??
next tuesday - Washington Justice/Titans
because we ended up recording justice and titans together, comments were a little on the short side for both
and it ties in with one of the Justice Mod's bdays
sullen berry
ikr
balmy wolf
im hyped for gc preview
sullen berry
sweeeet
fierce ferry
also, did someone calculate how many tokens you can get from the first week?
vagrant cargo
Regarding libero
There is a rumor in korea that he got rich through crypto
And just retired LMAO
forest raven
plush grail
that cant be real lmaoo
vagrant cargo
It would be p funny if it is
cursive plover
I wouldn't be surprised though
plush grail
libero just joins vancouver titans for fun
river salmon
What awards do you get from watching contenders?
noble nexus
blissful wadi
Wow
tawdry hamlet
What the fuck
That's weird
Isn't guxue literally only known for his monkey and seo dps
I mean I guess if they found a spot for them that way but I'm confused?
Lige and the other guy are both off tanks? So who's the main tank then
Ah yes
The april fool's day
I will now die in shame
All the discords I'm in did april fool's in March 31st so I forgot about it
Wtf
The fact I was gotten by this hurts but in my defense Im 4 shots in on kings silver rum
forest raven
noble nexus
lmfao
it's funny because the valiant did the whole role swapping thing way before april fools
plush grail
it's funny because the valiant did the whole role swapping thing way before apri...
LMAOOOOO
raw ermine
Seominsupport
raw ermine
who?
balmy wolf
boston, houston, london, valiant, paris, new york, toronto, vancouver and mayhem
mayhem im not sure, but i think oge will never be good
hot onyx
Even if oge flops there’s no alternate universe where he’s worse than gator
raw ermine
boston-maybe
houston-maybe
london-both are contenders tank duos that did well there, so they might be similar
valiant-yeah lol
paris-no synergy, but pretty good, sure
NY-Maybe, they likely have more skill but worse synergy
defiant-sado was a top MT and worked w/ kdg, and michelle has worked with kdg before, so I don't see them being worse
vancouver-yeah
mayhem-in kuki we trust, I think they're better than gator hawk
balmy wolf
i just dont trust michelle and oge tbh
they were underwhelming the whole time
sado and especially gargoyle are better than their counterparts but i think they wont do well with them
raw ermine
the amount sado>gator is so much, and frankly, hawk wasn't all that good either, so even if michelle is kinda washed, I still see the sado dif coming out on top, especially with kdg vs sephy on coaching
balmy wolf
i know noone agrees with me but imo sado is not as good as people think
tropic herald
Sado good because Alarm good, there I said it
balmy wolf
ye
plush light
The best tank line is mano poko.
tropic herald
That has to be bait
raw ermine
lastro/aztac are damn good, and gator hawk isn't a high bar
balmy wolf
remember when janus was considered good
balmy wolf
or fearless bad
raw ermine
janus
tropic herald
Main tanks look best when their flex support is insane
balmy wolf
i think mt can look good and bad depending on the support they get
raw ermine
sado had boombox when he sucked
balmy wolf
and alarm when he was good
raw ermine
coincidence? I think NOT
tropic herald
I think Super is alright, definitely above average MT, his rein is good
plush light
remember when janus was considered good
Apex
balmy wolf
i think super is the best rein there is
plush light
I think Super is alright, definitely above average MT, his rein is good
Super Winston is so pepega
tropic herald
Tbf hog in the playoffs wasn’t hard it was just which player played hog most alpha
plush light
Oge Winston > super Winston
plush light
yoo you know who was flex supp on atl last season
Lr1s
digital cloud
after dogman
tropic herald
There is an anomaly to this rule though, R0ar just sucks
plush light
Lr1s is good
balmy wolf
he played 1 or 2 games i think
plush light
No
plush light
Roar was really good considering that he didn't play outside of scrims and pro games
Roar was definitely in underwatch league man
hot onyx
The best tank line is mano poko.
Fusion fan says this is false
tropic herald
Probably got burnt out but then no one was going to replace him
raw ermine
roar is coaching now
tropic herald
Thinking about how Titans could be Third Impact but they didn’t want to pay 1000 dollar buyout for each player
plush light
Maybe the best tanks are muze and space
digital cloud
yeah
balmy wolf
second wind
plush light
Imagine a dps line of kevster onigod
tropic herald
Second Wind + Raspberry Racers
hot onyx
Imagine a better dps line of kevster birdring
digital cloud
wasn't kevster on third impact
plush light
Aspen to owl. Plz
digital cloud
why would you want birdring over onigod lol
tropic herald
I think Birdring is pretty cool and good
hot onyx
If that’s not bait please elaborate
tropic herald
Onigod not bad but Birdring def better
forest raven
Birdring a nut
hot onyx
Birdring is arguably a top 5 hs
hot onyx
Decay-Carpe-Lip-Bqb/Gwangboong-Birdring
hot onyx
Ok prepare to tear me to shreds
next mesa
Birdring def above kevster and edison in HS wtf
digital cloud
kevster actually I think is flex
hot onyx
But fits is inconsistent and not that good imo
balmy wolf
??
balmy wolf
pros say hes the best hitscan
next mesa
Have u seen his widow stats in grand finals
Not even comparable actually to the other 3
hot onyx
Kevster flex
digital cloud
ok, as a flex I will forgive him not being above birdring
hot onyx
And fits did great in the grand finals don’t get me wrong but it’s the inconsistency of seoul
digital cloud
but the others are better imo, edison might be a bit of a hot take
hot onyx
He’s top ten but not top 5
digital cloud
I would think kaneki is probably above as well
next mesa
Fits is often looks like the only guy that knows what he's doing
hot onyx
And xzi not having a great ashe makes me rate him lower than most people do
digital cloud
yeah, that is not ideal
balmy wolf
fits-diem-lip-ksp-xzi is my top5
hot onyx
Yeah, he tried forcing Mcree for half of the summer showdown last year
digital cloud
but his cree and widow are extremely good so I would put him above on a technical level
next mesa
fits-diem-lip-ksp-xzi is my top5
I think either shy gwangboong or glister will take one of those spots this year but I agree
balmy wolf
could be
hot onyx
fits-diem-lip-ksp-xzi is my top5
I’m sorry have you ever heard of carpe and decay?
balmy wolf
I’m sorry have you ever heard of carpe and decay?
carpe is overrated and decay is not better on hitscan
next mesa
Kai*
hot onyx
Hoo boy let’s just agree to disagree
balmy wolf
if we talk about hard hitscan
digital cloud
oh fuck I forgot shy
balmy wolf
tracer decay and carpe pog
digital cloud
he is also better
balmy wolf
people have him top 3
next mesa
God amongst men
balmy wolf
thats a bit overrated imo
digital cloud
many people still rate him highly despite how he has fallen off
balmy wolf
he hasnt fallen off
next mesa
Playoff choker
plush grail
hydration dps > diem dps
balmy wolf
hes just not the best anymore
digital cloud
well whatever, he isn't all that good anymore
next mesa
He's not it's not a stretch to put him top 5 hitscan though
You really just said carpe isn't all that good I mean cmon
plush grail
carpe and mano on fusion is interesting, 2 players who are considered top tier but never won anything major
hot onyx
Idk how losing the very last fight on the very last map 4-3 by one pick off makes him a choker
balmy wolf
hes not top 5
digital cloud
people still remember him from season one and assume he is still on top
balmy wolf
hes 6th for me
digital cloud
like thinking jjonak must still be the best after his season
he isn't top 5 anymore but I rate him top 10
hot onyx
Jjonak has fallen off hard though
next mesa
He literally is still on top though you can't say he's not good after being mvp runner up and having the best record in NA
hot onyx
Carpe literally had his best season wdym
digital cloud
sinatraa was mvp despite the vast majority of his team being better than him
balmy wolf
alarm deserved it more
digital cloud
appealing to mvp runner up means nothing
balmy wolf
mvp is popularity contest
digital cloud
mvp is party based on popularity
plush grail
sinatraa only won mvp because he played the most flashy heroes on his team
next mesa
No it's not when it counts for 15%
digital cloud
and yet sinatraa won
next mesa
The rest are coaches and analysts
digital cloud
during a year when he was nowhere near the best
next mesa
Yes tells you something about sinatraa
About how he was the most impactful player on the team
hot onyx
Sinatraa was one of the best zarya players in the league when the meta was 90% zarya that season
balmy wolf
most impactful player was rein
next mesa
Also the best doom
digital cloud
rein, brig, and zen were more important for goats
zarya was just the damage dealer in that comp
next mesa
Not saying he's the best player ever but in the 2 relevant metas he was the most impactful
digital cloud
and doomfist was flashy so people saw it as the important thing
point being being almost mvp has no bearing on how good you were
next mesa
You act like people are the ones that decide majority of the mvp
digital cloud
carpe is still obscenely popular
plush grail
carpe is still obscenely popular
who?
balmy wolf
carpe is still a tier just not s
hot onyx
Did you actually watch the games where carpe played or is this just a hot take for the sake of a hot take?
balmy wolf
i watched every game
digital cloud
assuming that someone who disagrees with you must not have watched is not a good way of trying to "win"
hot onyx
Dude I’m not assuming I’m asking a genuine question
Because everyone is entitled to their opinions yes, but the logic that he’s fallen off is insanely flawed, that’s why I asked
Considering he was one of the most consistent players in the league last season
next mesa
facts
digital cloud
consistent, I can agree with to an extent, but he still wasn't a top 5 hitscan
next mesa
you can put him above diem based on season playtime
and im a big diem fan
if you couldnt tell
digital cloud
nah, no idea
next mesa
he would've won either way
balmy wolf
who wins for na?
next mesa
birdring
hot onyx
Dalton
next mesa
Fleta should participate
digital cloud
dalton clearly
hot onyx
9-0
next mesa
I know taimou said fleta was the best widow he faced
digital cloud
is dallas in na this year?
next mesa
not that accurate of a person to ask but still
yes
also profit might have a better widow than fits but thats just according to their interview
balmy wolf
taim OMEGALUL u
next mesa
I think xzi is overrated he can only play 2 heroes
hot onyx
Facts
digital cloud
I think it is more a "problem" that the league has evolved to the point where plenty of players can play like 10 characters at pro level
next mesa
that just how it do baby
balmy wolf
these two heroes are pretty good tho
digital cloud
I think xzi is still quite good, but he looks worse because of his hero pool
next mesa
at least know how to play ashe
balmy wolf
he just isnt the best ashe
next mesa
you force cree everytime you're gonna put your team at a disadvantage
balmy wolf
and ashe was 70% played last year
digital cloud
one reason I think that dallas fails again
lack of flexibility
and also being dallas
the texas teams are doomed to fail
next mesa
they need fearless xzi sparkle on comfort picks and they can maybe win a tourney
digital cloud
their support line is pretty darn good though
but their dps aren't too flexible
and I don't remember who their ot is
hot onyx
Hanbin is a top 5 ot???
digital cloud
yeah, but from what I remember doesn't he have a different style than fearless does?
next mesa
the whole team should be aggressive
digital cloud
or am I misremembering
next mesa
I think he's good
digital cloud
I mean, as a player he is
next mesa
fearless and sparkle should go crazy
digital cloud
I just remembered hanbin's style being different than fearless'
but I suppose that could be ironed out if it is the case
next mesa
define the different style wym specifically he plays less aggressive?
digital cloud
from what I recall
I suppose that is more of a tempo thing
I did not watch him too much but I think I remember him doing a more passive tempo
maybe I am thinking of hotba since he was on nyxl
I am trying to remember the paris games I saw
well I can't remember, so I am just going to assume that having a good mt and ot will make the tankline good
hot onyx
As long as it’s not an orisa or ball meta
limber pine
provide is slur right?
limber pine
good for him
raw ermine
feral zodiac
Wat
trail perch
On the whole Dallas thing, if they ever get a good meta, prob top 3 team in the league
They might win grand finals if they get a good meta
If not
Then mid tier
tawdry hamlet
If they got a brawl genji meta then maybe lmao
But otherwise
Idk sparkle is literally not flexible at all
He has like what, genji pharah and sombra?
balmy wolf
doom
plush grail
I forgot about doom since he hasn't been owl relevant in ages
deez nuts
worn falcon
sp9rk1e on mei
if there isnt patch between today and owl, probs the meta gonna be the same as contendies: Rein/Dva, Mei/Mccree, Bap/Lucio
and for dallas the dps probs gonna be doha/xzi and sp9rk1e benched
worn falcon
doha mei over sp9rk1e sure.
tawdry hamlet
Doesn't he play sombra over doha as well?
raw ermine
nah, doha is the sombra 100% in a sombra meta
limber pine
I don't remember sp9rk1e's sombra tbh
limber pine
I think the lack of a second true hitscan is going to hurt them
OWC rewards on TY when?!?
plush grail
JAKERAT RISE UP
next mesa
unironically good buff
plush grail
legit these april fools patches has some good ones like this
rewards actually kinda aiming with bap and lamp isn't just a free survive any combo button
balmy wolf
they make good changes while trying to troll
raw ermine
thats pretty cool
balmy wolf
thats sad and funny
plush grail
the genji and roadhog buffs were bigger jokes tbh 
digital cloud
is the april fools part that this is actually good and that they won't do it
I can see the traps thing being annoying but
I guess immortality only reducing incoming damage is much worse than being immortal but
it is a bit more balanced at least
plush grail
man immortality field in owl is so boring
for casuals its whatever
like 90% of the time the field isn't up in time
so its okay
but in owl they practice that shit a lot so like 90% of the combos are just gone
digital cloud
I unironically love most of the changes
tropic herald
do not tell me this patch is good without playing sigma
plush grail
WELCOME TO HELL
digital cloud
imagine this patch in owl
chaos
half of this stuff is actually a good idea, sad that it is april fools
limber pine
brig and echo
dense pendant
dope
cedar oasis
ratlanta bad
sullen berry
Holy
I didn't expect dallas fuel levels of disappointment today https://twitter.com/owpathtopro/status/1377704274612813824?s=19
plush grail
amazing plays
also whats y'alls opinions on philly
they're got good players
but almost half are on high ping
and a few of the high ping players all mostly play projectile characters
earnest leaf
Once they get their eu players in korea they'll be solid
Carpe rascal/Alarm Astro is a solid core
Mano can do well this season, and poko was never bad
plush grail
im not doubting the skill but like
plush grail
if brig genji becomes meta
astro is the brig
brig on high ping is PAIN
genji on high ping is not a thing
luckily they have rascal too
earnest leaf
Most likely the first quarter of the league and the first tourney will be mei mcree rush
So he'll at least get to stay on lucio
If poko has to play zarya though on high ping I can see it being really rough
But if they have 2-3 players on high ping, they might try to equalize it and have everyone play on a server in between
plush grail
just bodyblock shit and flash matrix
mortal abyss
If fusion were forced to upgrade clestyn and unique how do you think they would fair?
earnest leaf
I have no idea because I don't know how good those two are
mortal abyss
I think clestyn could be as good as poko but unique will likely be nowhere as good as astro
plush grail
unique was on seoul right
wait no
im mixing up unique and creative
similar names lmao
mortal abyss
Yeah lol
They’re both on t1 which is why they’re the most likely to be replacements
mortal abyss
https://twitter.com/AdamasEsports/status/1377676906422693888
wait is that talking about THE Adamas Esports Training + Perfomance, the organisation that provided the Titans with a home away from home with a world class facility to call home in the form of one of the top human performance centres in the country, Fortius Sport & Health?
worn falcon
that one
digital cloud
where is this meme from
plush grail
the internet
worn falcon
when they partnered with titans
worn falcon
no, they partnered with outlaws
craggy sandal
I don’t think it’s a joke
digital cloud
but this is the day of jokes
supple prism
ugh, brig and echo contenders skins
next mesa
first grand finals?
mortal abyss
?wdym
next mesa
idk the caster just said first grand finals champions of europe
mortal abyss
It’s the winners bracket finals
mortal abyss
No
sullen berry
yup
someone from Toronto Ultra said the word cunt
and had to apologize publicy on twitter for using Australia's favourite term cunt
I think Soe's learned to assert leverage lately
digital cloud
why would you need to apologize for Australia's favorite word
plush grail
the virgin cod league ''cunt'' vs the chad owl ''SEX BIG DICK''
sullen berry
The smol ball is out - it's like a shitty boss battle
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugw32JjtdzHkpGAOiox4AaABCQ
raw ermine
all the casters have announcements to make, but cause april fools, they don't announce it? maybe thats jebait, or maybe they all got re-signed
sullen berry
Even Paris Eternal's post have been getting more viewers from this, so i don't know what you're talking about
raw ermine
I am sure this is a rickroll
raw ermine
ok it's not
cool tho
anyone else realised that t1 has a ANS-Sayaplayer duo on their valorant team?
sullen berry
well it took some time to realise this but yes
6 man rosters over there
while we're wilding with average 7-8 players
and the off 12 man roster
raw ermine
all i'm saying is
if the best esports teams in their respective esport got into a fight (best a fighting, not playing)
the OW players would win
digital cloud
Since they can just gang up on everyone
raw ermine
"Indeed my friend, Indeed"-Zenyatta
sullen berry
also I think about the game's korean scene
it feels held back right now, since the regions are waiting for their version of Contenders Gauntlet to determine which region is actually the best
worn falcon
American tornado slapped odyssey
Nice
And they were losing
I haven't watched KR tendies tho
prisma igloo
That logo tho...
novel bison
😂
fierce ferry
He really missed the chance to make it 69420 dollars
forest raven
plush grail
dallas fucked up BAD last season
there were rumours that the most of the team wasn't even on speaking terms
like outside of games they just didn't talk
willow moon
Heyyyy y'all who won Contenders? Life got crazy and I couldn't watch the finals 😭
plush grail
i won
plush grail
how does it only have 318 views bro
contenders viewership is sad dude
i remember tons of people hyping up the obey alliance vs BH game
next mesa
bro its like good match
plush grail
the one where BH lost the streak
it was a good match but legit only had like 500 views after half a day
plush grail
BH vs odyssey one?
BH vs obey alliance
plush grail
legit the reddit threads on the BH losing the streak might have had more upvotes then the actual game had views
next mesa
contenders has been so much better this year
plush grail
i legit wanna get into contenders but i just cant
i dont like how some teams have a new roster every month
plush grail
watch OCE contendies
forest raven
Why the hell would I watch that crap
forest raven
Supers games are higher quality than oce tendies
plush grail
super is kingh tendies
next mesa
Anyways winner finals NA is ||AT 3-2||
kind ridge
watching random comp games > oce contendies
yeah who wanna watch my bronze gameplay lmao
devout path
Since when were there such things as fantasy owl leagues
balmy wolf
you saved the day
thank you
you said atlanta tho
not ratlanta
thats a concerning developement
plush grail
fuck atlanta
balmy wolf
D:
plush grail
FUCK ATLANTA
balmy wolf
why so mad? 0.o
balmy wolf
sadge
cedar oasis
i can agree fuck atlanta
sullen berry
ack futlanta
balmy wolf
tnailav al evol i
sullen berry
raw ermine
devout path
ew
raw ermine
I can't help but find it funny that the owl ppl can't even find anything unique to say about the team
digital cloud
What are they gonna do, they know the community hates valiant rn
More than we hated Titans at the time
bronze ivy
let me innnnnnn
sullen berry
let me innnnnnn
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cedar oasis
who
foggy goblet
Isn’t Krystal the Hangzhou Spark guy who caused trouble?
plush grail
I CANNOT BELIEVE IT
devout path
Isn’t Krystal the Hangzhou Spark guy who caused trouble?
what happened there?
feral zodiac
what happened there?
Dude spent more than the time they allocated for him to take a break to see his sick mom (I think) and didn't work with the spark at all when they reached out to ask if he needed more time
devout path
ah
sand violet
he was on a 2 way for charge and never saw play time idk how much u qualify that has him being on the team
also idk ppl overhate krystal
digital cloud
Wait, Denzel, are you Saint from before?
sand violet
Yes
digital cloud
ok
plush grail
what happened there?
He robbed a bank
forest raven
sullen berry
He robbed a bank
agree to disagree
also
14 days to go
I can't fit the word fortnight without losing the punctuation, so I had to go with the degen spelling
next mesa
ans better play
sullen berry
in fairness, we need a brenbreak before it comes back
next mesa
ans not playing
digital cloud
Nah he still in korea dude
Also he currently sucks in Valorant
Even with how good he was at owl he probably needs a few months
earnest leaf
plush grail
I can't fit the word fortnight without losing the punctuation, so I had to go wi...
wow a whole fortnite is left
earnest leaf
It's probably gonna take ans a bit to get really solid at valorant, but he has a solid foundation of aim to work with
sullen berry
dude's not wrong, he'll have his moment where he can pop off
tawdry hamlet
Dude spent more than the time they allocated for him to take a break to see his ...
Said it was to see his sick mom, was actually to see his gf
Hence the controversy
sullen berry
@next mesa hey hey, T1 kinda smelly in val
sullen berry
what stream are you watching
sullen berry
go straya
representing OCE
some of Soniqs did play in Overwatch OD
Pl1xx in AU Contenders last year, nice
next mesa
ow players are pretty good at valorant
sullen berry
not at all surprised he's got that smeag energy off babybay
For what it's worth, Faze being made up of 5/6 former OWL players I'm digging their success so far
digital cloud
Faze just lost a map to a rando team though
Somehow
Wasn’t on stream so no idea what happened
tropic herald
this is going to be a good night of tendies
tawdry hamlet
Hot take
If double shield was perma meta odyssey would be owl ready 
The only reason they lost gauntlet was because they tried to run their double shield they'd been running all gauntlet against tornados ball sigma comp that was just better in that meta
Rhyno is orisa otp
in rein play I have noticed Rhyno looks a lot more reserved and almost afraid of pushing vs the aggressiveness of the other reins like cloudy
Revival have been fucking so far
Mcgravy coaching diff 
sand violet
owl ready as in... individual players or the whole team?
the team would still be bottom tier owl in double shield lol
like probably better than titans
but in the same tier or worse than london
thin relic
rhyno isn't great at rein but he's better than he was last year
sullen berry
I think he's got more time to grind
He's still the youngest player in NA contenders iirc
tropic herald
isnt that one ball player younger
tropic herald
also sugarfree pog
sand violet
infekted is either the same age or like a year younger
which I think is "that one ball player" youre referring to
paper totem
This contenders final is so cLose
sullen berry
it really do be like that
tropic herald
infekted is either the same age or like a year younger
yea thats the kid, cant find their twitt and they dont have a liquidpedia
sand violet
cause hes new to contenders
prob doesnt have a page yet
or for a while since I dont think he made it out of trials
tropic herald
that was a clean block from cloudy sheesh
tropic herald
cloudy popping
earnest leaf
cloudy diff
tropic herald
where is hydron
tropic herald
unlucky
sand violet
its happened often before
yeah
if they have hydron they win almost certainly
not like a 4-0 but like
sheesh
hydron dif
tropic herald
cloudy icy n seeker look pretty clean
devout path
wait is contenders still going
earnest leaf
also cloudy is allowed to sleep now
sand violet
I mean false didnt play exceptionally worse than usual
honestly I felt like
AT's backline was way better
and the front lines traded p damn evenly
was just a dps dif without hydron
like seeker def hard carried on r66
tropic herald
I think if they just forced the doom comp AT could’ve looked better
sand violet
I mean its just a cheese comp im sure revival still wouldve figured it out
its also less reliable
tropic herald
its def a cheese comp but cloudy was getting pummeled with it so it could be worth trying out
devout path
i need to watch at vs revival later
dull kraken
seeker just flanks properly
legitimately the best way to play this comp against anything other than OWL level discipline
is to hard flank
and even against owl you do perma angles/flanks
sullen berry
LHCloudy is built different
esports mentality could even rival peak bumper and super when this guy was on gladiators last season
next mesa
Is shockwave in korea?
tropic herald
I do not believe so
devout path
shockwave is philly i think
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That's really bad
devout path
shockwave is cracked
sullen berry
not many players will have that claim to fame in OWL last year
of the players who were signed for online play and didn't look like they missed a beat
Fielder was incredible playing with 300 ping to where Paris was playing out in New Jersey
devout path
how
sullen berry
Korean internet has always been pretty strong, but that delay is something he must have practiced for a long time to get used to
I'm regularly on 130-300ms ping just to get by when i connect with people on this server
support should be most playable of the three roles
sullen berry
this guy was playing ana zen
devout path
ok actually how
sullen berry
I think they're more acceptable than a mercy who can't land their GA
i should clip it
devout path
im excited for valentine
tropic herald
Tbf Ana is partially hitscan which isn’t that bad on ow ping but I can imagine stuff like nades and sleep is not fun
earnest leaf
Fielder was able to pull it off
sullen berry
ah i almost forgot Fielder did play a fair bit of moira, it as really more like 200 ping so nothing not too overbearing
https://youtu.be/m5Yk78x_UUI
thanks mostly to overwatch's netcode
nobody ever talks about the netcode for a game that's rarely terrible
devout path
also ive been wondering what does hero pools mean
sullen berry
hero pools is their term for "hero bans"
sullen berry
it's the opposite meaning, so it doesn't sound as bad
tropic herald
Honestly hero pools for OWL are cool but the ladder ones were not
devout path
well
with hero pools you dont get the top level play you want
if hero pools were like one per month
or something like that
devout path
ah i almost forgot Fielder did play a fair bit of moira, it as really more like ...
glads rolled first map and it seemed fielder wasnt doing that good
sullen berry
It gets better
They made it to the semis of the Summer showdown once he got comfortable and sp9rk1e was 18 and ready to destroy on genji
karmic grotto
kaleesi again?
mortal abyss
GQO destroyed her in the replies aswell
mortal abyss
Who remembers how D.va disappeared?
Not sure what u mean
wild moth
Does the Overwatch Collegiate Championships also have viewership rewards ?
does anybody know ?
mortal abyss
mortal abyss
Does the Overwatch Collegiate Championships also have viewership rewards ?
Don’t think so
wild moth
sadge
mortal abyss
https://youtu.be/yr435j4eXFU
If they get everyone to Korea in time I think it’s a 50% chance they’ll win a stage (seeing as how they have to beat the top 2 na teams plus shanghai to win a stage
wanton birch
Who un ironically watches khaleesi?
next mesa
Khaleesi is fucking broken in the head
Who literally gives a flying fuck about her dumbass sexist opinions and her eboy white knight twitter defender cyx
balmy wolf
Does anyone have alink of the guy on reddit who translated videos of korean overwtach youtubers ? Have´t seen him in awhile
next mesa
15% chance of shock winning
really?
I give 30% shock 30% dragons 15% dynasty 10% glads 10% justice 5% dallas lol
about
just spitballing
balmy wolf
dallas 0% please
next mesa
that 5% is just meta wise
like if another summer showdown happens
fearless can play monke
hackfist??
who the fuck knows
cedar oasis
Atlanta bad
mortal abyss
How bad
cedar oasis
Extraordinarily bad
limber pine
Shock are replacing their main support and most of their dps line. Their chances are as volatile as they’ll ever be
plush light
If mccree genji double bubble ana Lucio is meta, Dallas could win.
tawdry hamlet
Shock will repeat if tracer is relevant
cedar oasis
And if every other team dies then ratlanta can win
balmy wolf
good chances if you ask me
cedar oasis
ha no
tropic herald
Hot take: Atlanta have a top 3 dps line
cedar oasis
how is that a hot take
tropic herald
There’s at least 5 teams that people would argue right
Shock Glads no doubt top 3
Then there’s Justice Dallas and Atalanta
karmic grotto
the thing about atlanta
they have it in them
but for some reason they dont show themselves at the big games
I don't understand that
cedar oasis
they are shit
digital cloud
they have bad coaching
karmic grotto
That's what made me leave the team as a fan
cedar oasis
gator and hawk are also shit
karmic grotto
I wish owl coaches had standards
next mesa
I think dragons has the best dps line
cedar oasis
probably not tho
digital cloud
erster may have been ruined by atlanta
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Shock you have some question marks
cedar oasis
shock is cock
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Nah I don't doubt moon will get erster back
They are
Not saying they're not cock
But are they gonna be s tier
cursive plover
I've always liked glads so I'm rooting for them this season
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And what's taiyo doing
digital cloud
I have no idea
digital cloud
I think that maybe he is meant to eventually replace striker?
digital cloud
that sounds dumb but I cannot think of another reason
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He's like 21
digital cloud
taiyo isn't bad by any means but I don't see a fit for him
next mesa
Just like plat chat were saying
craggy sandal
Taiyo is supposed to be Sinatraa replacement as a leader
craggy sandal
Ninek is just a Eu simp
balmy wolf
lol how?
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Paris
cursive plover
woah carpe is a short boi
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Then poko shockwave
balmy wolf
ok?
balmy wolf
3 players
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Do u count paris as 1 player
next mesa
Eu players improved the most ninek works with them well it seems like
balmy wolf
he picked those with talent
esp shockwave
no reason to not get him
he is better than any korean on the market
balmy wolf
shockwave is a hitscan
balmy wolf
he plays some echo sure
digital cloud
how about decay
next mesa
Decay was never on the market
digital cloud
if we define the market as "free agents", then of course the good free agents were acquired
how is that a useful argument
balmy wolf
not only fas
but people dont wanna leave their team
why should lip leave shanghai
he would be an upgrade ofc
but he obv wont
mortal abyss
Carpe Rascal is arguably one of the best dps duos in the league, and i think Shockwave will do amazing things provided he doesn't have to play on ping
sullen berry
Does the Overwatch Collegiate Championships also have viewership rewards ?
yes, though i think it's because this is the championship series and not actual contenders
this is streaming right now on the main homepage
also I would presume Berkeley and Full Sail are probably the match to see
worn falcon
digital cloud
lol
he has returned to monke
and they are trying to teach him to use letters now, bravo
we all know he has troubles with the alphabet
balmy wolf
how often are the semi advance orisa plays like
throwing a shield into the sky, using halt for enviormentel kills and combining halt with teammate abilities and ultimates, and memorized orisa shield spot setups, used in high rank games, and do I need to know them to get into like diamond+?
mortal abyss
That’s better suited for #overwatch-serious , but you can try looking up individual player povs from owl
sullen berry
how often are the semi advance orisa plays like
throwing a shield into the sky,...
entire eichenwalde map answers your question
but generally speaking you really need to chug through more players like gesture, smurf, Rio to get a better understanding of how Orisa being played in masters up
balmy wolf
wow that channel looks very useful thank you
it's going to be useful when I change my main every day
sullen berry
and for different levels of competition - your regular season matches are equally as good as your ranked games without the synergy to execute most strats without full stacking
balmy wolf
so they pulled in the phara alot which i never do but besides that they didn't do anything crazy
should I also watch the other matches?
oh I just realized this is esports discussion oops
mortal abyss
should I also watch the other matches?
If you want to sure, there are definetly main tanks better on orisa then OGE, see if you’re able to find a smurf pov
balmy wolf
so im guessing smurf is the best main tank in ow?
mortal abyss
Arguably the best at orisa an winston and a top 5 ball
We haven’t seen much of his rein because he has super to cover that for him
mortal abyss
Idk how highly I rate mag and muze’s ball I barely watched gauntlet
But smurf was really good at ball in gf
tawdry hamlet
I mean it is weird because to me the best ball in the world isn't even an active pro
just that ball guy from youtube loll
mortal abyss
Ball hasn’t been in relevance in owl enough for me to make a confident judgment on who’s better then who
tawdry hamlet
ig he played in t2 at least
for a while ameng was considered the best but I think that was because barely anybody tried to run ball at the time
so I am not really sure anymore
I do have an autographed ameng poster tho so im biased
mortal abyss
for a while ameng was considered the best but I think that was because barely an...
That is true
Mano also has a very good ball
balmy wolf
my boy jihun 
mortal abyss
Worked on it privately iirc
tawdry hamlet
The King 👑
So I've recently seen a ton of sado is overrated talk and I'm curious as to why, I know a lot of people say he was enabled by his support line but we've seen main tanks with decent support lines fail pretty hard I think but I can't Actually think of a prime example lmao
Excited to see if fusions will play a single game and if he does then how different he'll play having a real ms instead of halo
Doubt much will change tho lmao
Since he's barely an A tier rein otp
tawdry hamlet
The mighty duo
If ow2 doesn't have a second ball character so they can ball duo I will cry
I wonder if owl players ever bother with modes like no limits for lols with their teammates and shit
shut fossil
anyone received their contenders skin ?
next mesa
I got like 10 tokens from watching like 5 hours sadge
shut fossil
i got nothing
next mesa
contenders skin omg I forgot to watch for rewards oh well
shut fossil
i been watching for 12 hours in total
earnest leaf
I think we can call sado overrated depending on how he does this season
I can see why people say he was last season since previously he was pretty meh, but he had alarm/astro to carry him
This season will show if he actually fully improved
digital cloud
he still had to be a pretty decentish mt
you can't be entirely carried by a support line
balmy wolf
I think it's more a case of him finally getting the proper resources for his playstyle with FAstro and Alarm compared to Boombox and Neptuno.
Rather than him just being carried.
He's being enabled far better now, he's actually able to play the way he wants.
next mesa
I think mano is better
tropic holly
Anyone wanna join a fantasy draft league? Dm me
digital cloud
Of course lol
tawdry hamlet
digital cloud
He was pretty good before Houston