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digital cloud
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even if they screw up balance too

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made a good esports scene

remote cedar
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Blizzard is just making so many wrong decisions, it hurts

digital cloud
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kept interest in their freaking games

remote cedar
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Any esport, even indie games > Overwatch League

digital cloud
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I would argue tf2 is slightly worse off

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but that is because valve is even worse than blizzard somehow

remote cedar
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The best esport is where you can just find 5 friends, spend 10.000 hours playing together and become a pro team

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In Overwatch league = IMPOSSIBLE.

digital cloud
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because you need six friends

remote cedar
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You have to be a arabic prince to play in Overwatch League

digital cloud
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wut

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anyway, yes, owl is bad

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but it is all we have and I will hold onto it kicking and screaming until it dies its inevitable horrible death in a few years/months

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and then hopefully apex comes back or something idk

remote cedar
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Blizzard is blind

digital cloud
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maybe I just lose all hope and switch to valorant

remote cedar
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They should just delete Overwatch League and do it like other companies

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But yeah, it's Blizzard, they will never ever say "We were wrong"

digital cloud
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they have had years for them to say it

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and they never did

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so yeah, pretty sure they won't

remote cedar
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It's such a shame, OW is a nice game

digital cloud
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yes

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though at least one reason it will never be too huge is the complexity

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normal people just can't follow it properly

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like, even the more basic aspects

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football has relatively complex rules, but most people can follow "large man is hit by more large men when he has ball"

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most people can't even tell what is happening in ow at all

remote cedar
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Another problem is, that everyone is suppose to be a zombie, you can never ever say anything you want to say, you have to think hundred of times before saying anything. Any word could ban you

digital cloud
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?

remote cedar
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Or the situation with Sinatra, literally NO EVIDENCE and they already banned him

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Fucking pathetic

digital cloud
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?

remote cedar
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Didn't you hear about it?

digital cloud
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sinatraa is not in ow now

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and what does that have to do with being a zombie?

remote cedar
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Doesn't matter, they still banned him

digital cloud
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I am confused

earnest leaf
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Sinatraa got benched while they investigate in valorant

remote cedar
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What i'm saying is, that there is no free-to-speech

earnest leaf
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and is barred from playing until the investigation is complete

remote cedar
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Blizzard will ban you for anything

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You fart - You are banned

earnest leaf
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also he isn't banned in ow?

digital cloud
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I do not understand

remote cedar
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You ACCIDENTLY say penis = You are banned

remote cedar
digital cloud
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are you trolling?

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what are you even talking about?

remote cedar
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I'm talking about getting banned for any wrong step

mortal abyss
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When was sinatraa banned

digital cloud
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you don't

remote cedar
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Blizzard doesn't even look into, if a girl says that you harassed her, your carrier and life is ruined, even if there is NO EVIDENCE

digital cloud
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he wasn't banned

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and there was evidence, even if it is misconstrued/false

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which there is no current way for us to know regardless

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I do not follow what this has to do with owl

remote cedar
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As the investigation into Jay 'Sinatraa' Won continues, the Overwatch League has issued a statement regarding the matter. Prior to playing Valorant esports, Won was a key member of the San Francisco Shock Overwatch team, where he was crowned MVP for the team's winning 2019 season.
Furthermore, Overwatch will refund an Overwatch League skin for Zarya that was inspired by Won as part of his MVP win during his time in the league. The Overwatch League operates under a franchise system, and the San Francisco Shock is operated by a third-party company.

In a statement to IGN, an Overwatch League spokesperson says, "The Overwatch League is aware of allegations made against former player Jay “Sinatraa” Won. We take any allegations of this nature seriously and unequivocally support victims of abuse."

Overwatch League also says it will offer refunds for the "Alien" Overwatch League skin, which was designed to commemorate Won's MVP win. Anyone with the skin currently can refund the skin for 200 League Tokens (retail: $9.99 USD) and have the skin removed from their collection. The Overwatch Championship and MVP badges will also be removed from the Alien skin in a future patch.

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This is so fucking stupid

earnest leaf
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what's dumb about it

remote cedar
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Being a white male in 2021 is the hardest difficutly you can live on

mortal abyss
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Bruh

digital cloud
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uh, not necessarily

remote cedar
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It's true

earnest leaf
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You realize this is a business, it is in their best interest to distance themselves from controversy

digital cloud
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also I think he is asian

mortal abyss
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He’s from the US but he’s not white

remote cedar
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Lmao

digital cloud
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but besides that, businesses do stuff like that all the time

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I think you are perhaps getting lost in the weeds here

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sinatraa is not a part of owl right now

mortal abyss
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Mods don’t want us discussing sinatra anyway

remote cedar
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The problem is, that it could hit anyone, ANY girl could say any shit about ANY Overwatch pro player and he would get banned IMMEDIETLY

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That's fucking stupid

earnest leaf
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No?

remote cedar
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And if a guy says his gf harassed him everyone will just laugh

digital cloud
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ah yes, the mods did want this killed

earnest leaf
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Most likely the player would be benched

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While an investigation is done

plush grail
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how is this even esports discussion

digital cloud
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it has diverged, yes

earnest leaf
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idk this is probably bait

digital cloud
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originally it started with blizzard being bad at developing owl

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however it now seems to have diverged

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there it is

remote cedar
digital cloud
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well, I will admit I thought this was sincere at first

mortal abyss
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Same

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Anyways

digital cloud
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good day sir or madame

mortal abyss
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Back to owl

earnest leaf
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mini thread of tweets from this fyi

mortal abyss
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😮

digital cloud
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people in the valorant discord were hoping that he went to val

mortal abyss
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Don’t blame them

digital cloud
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a few people were like "who is this guy, from ow, guess he is a nobody"

next mesa
plush grail
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some ladder rat?

digital cloud
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and others were like "damn, he would be the best player to switch, hope he makes it"

mortal abyss
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Lol

digital cloud
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yeah, probably never even played in owl

earnest leaf
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my question if he came back to owl

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What team would he go to

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would shock take him back and hoard talent?

mortal abyss
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I really don’t think so

sly lagoon
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Please avoid the Sinatraa discussion. It will only cause hazzle.

digital cloud
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if he can get his mental up he still ought to be insane

mortal abyss
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Then glister would just be useless

plush grail
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they have taiyo to still work on

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nero + glister

digital cloud
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ans pretty much is the best dps to ever touch the game so far

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bar maybe decay

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so your argument is invalid

earnest leaf
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inb4 ans re-joins shock as a dps coach

plush grail
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they're good but not the best tbh

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imo best dps would also be the most flexible

quartz cairn
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uh new topic; whens the cut off for the reinhardt/bastion contenders skins

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i assume like 1st week of april?

plush grail
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for me the best dps player is someone like rascal or libero who can just switch to whatever they need

digital cloud
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who cares, ans may be coming back

mortal abyss
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Ans may just want a more backseat role in a team, like a 2nd hitscan or something that puts less stress on him to perform well and whatnot

plush grail
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hitscan is always fucked

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ans was on the #1 team and his mental still tanked

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pine too

digital cloud
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would be a shame to be the second hitscan when he is so much better than the first

plush grail
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amazing player with so much chance to grow

digital cloud
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but yeah, he does have mental problems so

earnest leaf
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I think a lot of his mental issues came from the pressure of being on shock and living up to expectations

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or I think that was part of it that has been said

mortal abyss
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Yeah

plush grail
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it sucks but tbh i think he's not getting picked up

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we're a month away from the start

mortal abyss
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😦

next mesa
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He is

digital cloud
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if he wants to come back

earnest leaf
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one thing i've heard is him going to philly if shockwave is having visa issues

mortal abyss
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I wouldn’t suprised if it’s valorant

digital cloud
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he is getting picked up

earnest leaf
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as a theory at least

plush grail
digital cloud
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there is quite literally no way at least one team would not want ans after last year

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the odds against it are astronomically low

next mesa
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Idk technically

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He got offered

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But then he's like

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I don't wanna join your bumass team

digital cloud
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fair enough that he might not just choose any team

next mesa
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/nick Levy | SIGN ANS

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Fuck

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Do it after

digital cloud
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but pretty much any team would want him that isn't, like, european focused or something

plush grail
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why pick up ans

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when dalton is thing

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hello???

raw ermine
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trueeee

digital cloud
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my god, you are right

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the thought never even crossed my mind

plush grail
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carcar and dalton are in your backline

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what do you do

digital cloud
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you could probably just stand still

mortal abyss
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Ignore them I’ll be fine

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Lol

plush grail
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the dalton genji

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watch out

worn falcon
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i feel ans is like "dunno i click here and there then boom headshot" and crusty slapped him with the "get better positioning you bum"

craggy sandal
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True if ans was on any other teams except for maybe shanghai he would have flopped hard

digital cloud
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he is probably capable of coaching dps now

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he gained a brain after crusty smacked the knowledge into him

raw ermine
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wtf happened to this team

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they played one game in a t2 billion tournament

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and just everyone leaves

thin relic
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they lost ig

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but i think the coaches and gig and dynasty are coming back together as this team for mayhem spring classic

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look @ who they are following

raw ermine
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lol nice

next mesa
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gig dove and dynasty iev heard of them

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the rest idk

thin relic
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also maybe with aspen phi and s9mm

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vulcan was on odyssey last year

next mesa
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ooooo

thin relic
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dove was on odyssey at a point iirc but then was sent to jail (uprising academy)

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lep was on that LFT team in gauntlet

raw ermine
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ahahahahhahah

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omg

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lolll

zealous temple
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Idk if this is the right channel, but does anyone know if OWL/OW Contenders allows people to costream their stream on twitch?

tropic herald
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Iirc you can as long as you don’t have the full stream or audio

zealous temple
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alright thank you so much!

thin relic
trail perch
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isnt highbee an OT player?

tawdry hamlet
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I literally recognize two names loll

dreamy citrus
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i thought snow cheng only played doomfist....

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or that he at least would be under the title of a "dps" player

echo quest
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If it’s ans

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sullen berry
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straya is live

vagrant cargo
raw ermine
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one of these LAV mf's has been retired since 2018 LOLLLLL

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ShowCheng-DPS player, but listed under tank, and apparently played main tank in 2017. so if he plays tank, valiant have gone insane
Silver3-T1W main tank player
NvM-Also a main tank player? that doesn't make sense... retired since 2018
Molanran-DPS from t1w
Krystal-y'all know krystal, former HZS and GZC player,dps
Wya-Y'all know wya as well, former GZC flex support
Highbee-OFF TANK PLAYER FROM T1W?
WHERE IS THE MS

plush grail
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valiant stacked in triple mt meta

raw ermine
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3 tanks, 3 dps, 1 support

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????

karmic grotto
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flex?

raw ermine
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who the fck signs a "flex" player, unless you have muma

plush light
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Kariv

raw ermine
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lol

plush light
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Is a flex player

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Mirror
Is a flex player

raw ermine
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he's a goat flex

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doesn't count

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:)

plush light
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Architect is a flex player

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Hydration
Is a flex player

raw ermine
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hydration has muma, how is arch anything other than flex dps

plush light
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Hydration plays ball and orisa and I belive sigma.

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Danteh is a flex player

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His ana and sigma are nuts

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Hell xzi is a flex player, he played flex support for a while

raw ermine
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danteh's good on those characters, but doesn't play them in OWL

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same for xzi

plush light
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Rascal and libero

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Agilities can flex to Lucio

raw ermine
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should have kept him for MS lull

plush light
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Agilities Lucio > Moth Lucio > Fdgod Lucio > Funnyastro Lucio > ljg Lucio

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Kruise is a flex, he was a top tier genji at one point

raw ermine
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wonder if any of the MT's are gonna pull a kuki and swap to MS

thin relic
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Highbee is playing main support!

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For some fucking reason!!!!

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Apparently he used to play MS back in the day but jfc

next mesa
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Y'all don't get valiant was trying to get a much better roster but competent players just said "i don't wanna join your bumass team"

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🗿

plush grail
next mesa
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/nick

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Frick

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Yes

plush grail
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imagine actually using /nick

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yikes

raw ermine
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ez

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./nick new_nick: <name>

raw ermine
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y'all remember when we said "LAV of 2020 won't make it out of OD"?
LMAO

sullen berry
sand violet
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tbh if highbee was playing ot and showcheng was playing dps and they had a real ms

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id take that over old lav

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but they just had to cobble together players so ppl have to off role

sullen berry
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I don't know how this team will perform but Wya looking good

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raw ermine
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ahahahhahah

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maybe thats why diya didn't wanna join LAV

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cause he didn't wanna go 0-40 or whatever they could go

sand violet
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Silver3
nvm
Highbee
Krystal
Molanran
Showcheng
Wya
?????

wouldve actually been a good budget roster

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theres actually just no ms that wouldve been available for them tho

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the budget ones like nisha are already taken by chengdu

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and no way they get superrich

limber pine
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over/under 2.5 wins

sand violet
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they play in apac?

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under

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they beat no one besides a team on a huge off day

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even then

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questionable if they win

raw ermine
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chengdu on there worst day

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even then

sand violet
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if they were na I could see them choking some wins out of the dumpster fire teams

raw ermine
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it'd be hard

sand violet
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no

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not chengdu

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in no meta on any day

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chengdu difs them on every role lol

limber pine
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if they were na i'd put the over/under probably 3.5

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i don't see how they're winning more than 2 matches

raw ermine
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as Pharaoh said on twitter

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"they'll be top 20"

trail perch
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Lowkey, they might have hit a goldmine that we dont know

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China is rich in underutilized talant

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They might have pulled a fast one like s1 boston

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and be better than like hangzhou or NYXL

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Maybe even better than like seoul if coaching fails

raw ermine
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I swear to god if they do well

trail perch
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It would be fucking hillarious

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To see them as a mid or top team

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After screwing over all of their old players

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And having superrich and diya decline

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Bc they thought they would such

raw ermine
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then they sign diya and rich halfway thru the season

sand violet
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nO

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No

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terrible take

raw ermine
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lol

sand violet
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this isnt the case of them finding some hidden underutilized players

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this is them taking decent players and forcing them to off role

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like its not even comparable

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highbee is literally an ot playing ms

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showcheng is literally a dps playing ot and can only rly play sig

raw ermine
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yeah, i legit can't tell which player will play which role

sand violet
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like idk you wouldnt be saying this about decent na players forced to off role lol

balmy wolf
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dead last if you ask me

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no win at all

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maybe a win vs seoul

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cause its seoul

plush grail
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paris eternal looking alot better all of a sudden

raw ermine
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not even seoul

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they have profit

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and gesture

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just run monkey tracer

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gg

balmy wolf
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imagine

plush grail
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no

balmy wolf
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not even a map win

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all season

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new record

raw ermine
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LOL

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idk why its so funny, but Kephrii and Sinatraa both have there birthdays today

karmic grotto
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xd

raw ermine
forest raven
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Pocket lint budget

sour briar
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stratergygod is noob

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lmao

trail perch
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Lowkey, igc got my support in making a good roster after last year, ik they had packing10 then but still

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I lowkey trust them to make a mid-top level team

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I mean they didnt pick up mmonk

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etc.

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They must have had a reason

near geyser
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Marder III was the name for a series of World War II German tank destroyers. They mounted either the modified ex-Soviet 76.2 mm F-22 Model 1936 divisional field gun, or the German 7.5 cm PaK 40, in an open-topped fighting compartment on top of the chassis of the Panzer 38(t). They offered little protection to the crew, but added significant firepower compared to contemporary German tanks. They were in production from 1942 to 1944 and served on all fronts until the end of the war, along with the similar Marder II. The German word Marder means "marten" in English.

raw ermine
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that is incorrect

forest raven
next mesa
limber pine
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If they actually wanted to make a decent team they'd pick people we'd heard of

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I'm all for finding talent, but you can't risk your whole season on it.

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even London 2020 had players we'd heard of

plush grail
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could they not just have picked up a mid chinese contenders team???

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it would still be bad but like

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mid tier contenders team with people on proper roles and pre-existing synergy > random team of player on non proper roles with no real synergy

limber pine
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They know it's a lost season

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They had to sign a player who hasn't played since 2018 to get 7

plush grail
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also i saw something about one player just being a coach

karmic grotto
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owl is floppin

limber pine
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OWL stuck by bad luck mixed with poor decisions

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or poor decisions mixed with back luck

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whichever you prefer

barren quest
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Bring back large scale community esports scenes...well that's not happening

sand violet
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There are 2 problems with "just" picking up a contenders team

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most contenders teams dont have all players of age

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and if they have any shot at owl in the future they probably wouldnt take valiant's offer

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because it will hurt their reputation a lot

next mesa
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facts

limber pine
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yeah it's a multi-layered issue

plush grail
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should just have asked randoms in this server to join the roster

trail perch
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Bet I’ll join as a dps player

plush grail
trail perch
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Is mid masters high enough?

plush grail
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wait so LGE wanted to pick up good players from contendies teams

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but IG legit only wanted min wage no buyout players

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sheesh

trail perch
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SIGN ME

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I’ll PLAY TRACER AND SOMBRA FOR YOU

plush grail
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too expensive

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also legit OWL should step in

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why even bother with a team if you're not sure you will even win a single game

forest raven
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I mean they're in APAC

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There are no bad teams in APAC

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Not a chance they win a series

plush grail
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but like

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couldn't valiant just have skipped a year

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this is just scuffed and killing the brand

forest raven
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They killed the brand when they dropped their competent and marketable roster and staff and said they weren't going to APAC before going to APAC a couple weeks later

plush grail
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they could have done some damage control

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and after that just announce you're on break

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not fucking pick up some randoms for a garbage roster

forest raven
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I feel bad for the players Sadge

plush grail
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yeah it's sad

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they're probably just in it for that 50k

limber pine
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There are no bad teams in APAC

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Well statistically there will be bad teams in APAC

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The only way that happens is if everybody is mediocre (record-wise anyway)

forest raven
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Sprite did you push your glasses up before typing that

limber pine
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How'd you know

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@forest raven, I just did the 2021 Pick-em spreadsheet this morning; I've got numbers on the mind

forest raven
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Oh shit

worn falcon
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Krystal is a winner

unreal spade
cedar oasis
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The real question is

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Does tobi find a team this year

plush grail
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does super fart

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that too

worn falcon
sand violet
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I do hope some players on lav end up looking good

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specfically krystal and molanran

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and wya

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wouldve been cool to see highbee and showcheng look good on their main roles too

thin relic
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What bugs me about this is that there’s a decent team buried in here

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If they could’ve gotten Diya and superrich, get players on their main roles, that’s not an awful team, no?

sand violet
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no itd be a good team but thatd take money

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also no shot they get superrich if chengdu couldnt

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fr

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but no youre right, there are some good pieces in there]

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just not being utilized properly

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its what happens when youre broke and saving money

sand violet
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Ok theoretical idea

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Chengdu trade whichever ms they don't start to lav for highbee

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Chengdu get a new ot (highbee) and lav get a real ms

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Only issue is I doubt lav would want to take on anything but a 1 year min contract

thin relic
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Interesting

earnest leaf
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at least the players get to make a quick 50k and continue on with their life after

tropic herald
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Just found out RaiN went to military service

raw ermine
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yeah found that out today too

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idk how they knew

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he didn't say anything

raw ermine
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4 former OWL players get dominated by pharah-mercy-lucio compositions

digital cloud
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?

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why would that be a composition

raw ermine
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cause they're clowning on them

upper niche
raw ermine
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YAB still won tho

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kinda funny the pharah mercy lucio tho

mortal abyss
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Pharah mercy lucio is a legit good comp on some maps

trail perch
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The most plat mindset

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You either have a pharmacy with lucio solo heals, or a basically useless pharah

karmic grotto
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Do they advertise Contenders on battle net?

plush grail
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sometimes i think?

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its weird

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blizzard was like okay we're gonna give everyone the genji contenders skin and start giving viewer rewards

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and then just stopped

north pelican
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That moment when you can't make it out of spawn

tight hill
raw ermine
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not live but a really good match

balmy wolf
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I'm now an la valiant fan

next mesa
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so you have chosen death

sullen berry
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watch him edit it back

barren quest
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Can't wait for S1 Dragons Pt 2

fierce ferry
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Nah it’s gonna be even worse

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Atleast I hope so ( a little bit)

balmy wolf
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nah it can't be worse, but its still gonna be pretty bad

sullen berry
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They'll get their one win in the bag somewhere

balmy wolf
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boston went 2-19 last season so its possible valiant go winless

feral zodiac
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Valiant management best in the world

plush grail
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apac has chengdu, nyxl and seoul

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they're good teams

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but coaching is wonky

sullen berry
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woooo and we're live

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streaming this in GZ's discord Channel, cya there (or not, as usual)

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this open scrim won't be as fun as other showmatches, but we shall see

plush grail
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charge getting clapped

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sheesh

tropic herald
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NY just play a super nice aggro game

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Fits all their players well

balmy wolf
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ny stonks

plush grail
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tbh the nyxl dps line

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actual gold

tropic herald
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Albeit it’s only KoTH

sullen berry
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I've heard feath5r is pretty impressive on sombra

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a real gem they've scouted

tropic herald
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Was Feather on tracer first round

craggy sandal
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Ye

plush grail
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who's the reaper?

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ivy?

craggy sandal
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I think it’s gwangboong

plush grail
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this is already better than last year tbh

craggy sandal
#

But idk

plush grail
#

looks like every player is a specialist of some kind

tropic herald
#

GOATs poggers

#

Gwangboong is on reaper

craggy sandal
#

It seems like it’s going to be a good rebuild for nyxl

sullen berry
#

Ivy, is datchu?

unknown.png
#

Ivy top
Gwangboong bottom

plush grail
#

bruh is ivy a top???

sullen berry
#

nah that's gwangboong top

#

So chat is telling us

radiant hazel
#

I am hyped for gwangboong ngl

plush grail
#

the scouting on the nyxl dps rookies

#

is crazy

#

also owl social media is so fucking weird

#

nyxl uploaded this

#

and 5 days later dropped libero

tropic herald
#

Wait ur telling me the one named training bot is Ivy

#

I thought it was Gwangboong the whole time lol

#

But now that Gwangboong is in on the account named Gwangboong

vagrant cargo
sullen berry
#

I would agree

#

but there's not a lot I can go off personally

#

feath5r has looked pretty efficient in the leaked shock scrim

#

but I'd keep nyxl in the same spot as before if we see OP Hunters

next mesa
#

Who's talking

vagrant cargo
#

Feath5r in general is very good

#

Also yeah

#

I have NYXM 4tj

#

And A tier

next mesa
#

Coach?

#

There's a translator

vagrant cargo
#

I would upload my rankings but no permission to post pics

#

:(

tropic herald
# next mesa Who's talking

I’m pretty sure that WhyNot was streaming it idk if he was talking or noting not fluent and can’t recognize voices

next mesa
#

I seee

sullen berry
#

yup, if I had to guess it's Whynot hosting and casting with Unknown

next mesa
#

actually accurate

sullen berry
raw ermine
#

true

next mesa
#

reading those in chinese actually godly

#

anyway gwangboong > mykaylee KaplanThink

raw ermine
#

confirmed faker going to valorant

digital cloud
#

I want Ans to come back but tbh he would probably be way less stressed in Valorant

#

I mean, rawkus and Zacharee are on one of the best na teams in that game so Ans would just kiddie stomp rn

#

Might do wonders for his mental

next mesa
#

saya not doing that good doe pure aim is like eh

digital cloud
#

His team just got two new players and he switched roles

#

Most people in the know see him as the brightest spot on that team

#

And he has an two ex CS major winners on the team with him at that

next mesa
#

I see

#

im not 2 educated

#

either way

#

I hope ans goes back to shock

digital cloud
#

I just want him back at all

#

I don’t think he would have trouble getting a team but he might prefer a less stressful game, which I fear is likely

digital cloud
#

people in val server saying ans is on t1 in val

#

checking if legit but

earnest leaf
digital cloud
#

yeah he did

#

this is like if faker or zywoo switched almost

#

my heart

noble nexus
#

ans is a god gamer

#

he's just going to slap kids on a different videogame now

digital cloud
#

he might be

#

always possible he can't learn it properly but given his ow talent . . .

#

I imagine he just crushes everyone

noble nexus
#

I mean he improved his positioning and game sense incredibly fast in owl

#

that might be on part due to crusty

#

but he seems like a fast learner

next mesa
#

sade

#

sadge

#

look but

#

Ans had crusty

#

ans and sayaplayer

worn falcon
#

move all koreans to valorant

#

point and click player moves to point and click game.

digital cloud
#

nooooo

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I don't want the ow scene to die

#

maybe owl can die, but I want ow to live

raw ermine
#

oof

feral zodiac
#

Wonder how stressful owl really is

earnest leaf
#

Well being on shock was probably the most stressful part for him

plush grail
#

yeah i'm pretty sure the #1 team has some pretty tough practice and coaching

#

how hard is valorant?

#

maybe he chose valorant because it's more aim based?

digital cloud
#

valorant is pretty easy, but the meta is still being figured out

#

it is definitely more aim based but util like in cs is very helpful

plush grail
#

tbh ans has amazing aim

#

but a game like ow sucks for aim people

#

sure u can do well on widow

#

but then the enemy also gets a widow, and they get a winston, and a genji

digital cloud
#

have to worry about shields and healing and being dived and immort and all that

#

constant stress

plush grail
#

if valorant is anything like csgo

#

u can win 99% of duels just with aim

digital cloud
#

it isn't quite that simple but no shields + pretty much instant death from headshots is pretty much a dps wet dream

plush grail
#

lets hope he does well

digital cloud
#

half of their community is hyped from knowing him from ow and the other half doesn't know who he is

plush grail
#

yeah i also saw somewhere that a small part of the valorant community gets super annoyed by all these ow vets joining valorant teams

digital cloud
#

most cs people seem to think cs >>> ow

#

in skill, as a game, etc

plush grail
#

depends

#

might be true for aim

#

but like a ow pro probably has better communication and stuff

digital cloud
#

no, aim in owl is much harder

#

at least in the technical aspects

#

and if you are like widow or ashe

#

but the other stuff I think is up for debate

#

they are very different games

#

probably doesn't even matter

plush grail
#

yeah tbh now that u mention it

#

aim in ow might be even harder

#

because like widow jumpshots, constantly having to look for holes in the shield line

#

but yeah they're different things

plush light
#

People from ow will be better at agents like jett, cs players will be better lurkers

digital cloud
#

jett is just genji

plush light
#

Exactly

digital cloud
#

but with op lol

plush grail
#

aight question time

#

who wins

#

shanghai s1 or valiant s4

digital cloud
#

probably valiant

noble nexus
#

valiant

digital cloud
#

the game has evolved a lot since first season

noble nexus
#

yeah

digital cloud
#

valiant season 4 probably beats most teams season 1

#

maybe even all

plush grail
#

also its interesting

#

how valiant is gonna be at the bottom now and shanghai on top lmaoo

digital cloud
#

lol

#

I forgot Valiant had a good first year

thin relic
#

thats crazy how nyxl had under half the number of losses as the next best team

digital cloud
#

kinda got overshadowed by London Spitfire bullshit

thin relic
#

i feel like ppl forget just how dominant season 1 nyxl was

plush grail
#

nyxl season 1 was just way ahead of the others

digital cloud
#

I remember, but not winning hurts their memory a bit

plush grail
#

they only managed to catch up after season 1

mortal abyss
#

Season 1 London should have done way better in terms of regular season

#

That team was STACKED

digital cloud
#

eh, profit birdring overrated

limber pine
#

LAV had all of Immortals Season 1

digital cloud
#

plus seoul flopping lol

plush grail
#

jhong miro

#

lol

digital cloud
#

had such high expectations for them that year

#

miro still in the scene too iirc

plush grail
#

yeah

#

coach for team diamond

#

the only one left

digital cloud
#

sadness

#

zunba plays valorant now iirc

#

ow just chews up people and spits them out

plush grail
#

kinda expected tbh

#

the league just started

#

we're starting to see the veterans start to form now

#

people like carpe, jjonak, super

digital cloud
#

and then the zoomers like mag, pelican, alarm

bleak otter
#

Who would y'all say is the best player on the shock?

digital cloud
#

currently?

#

hmm

bleak otter
#

Yeah

plush grail
#

me

digital cloud
#

probably viol2t, smurf, or choi

#

I mean super

#

definitely

bleak otter
#

I was gonna say violet as well

digital cloud
#

best genji to ever touch the game

#

a god amongst men

bleak otter
#

Yup lmao

digital cloud
#

possibly the most chad individual to ever live

#

except ameng

plush grail
#

still a 5'2 goblin that still hasn't hit puberty OMEGALUL

bleak otter
#

Ok who is best all time shock player?

digital cloud
#

all time probably still viol2t smurf or choi

plush grail
#

really hard question tbh

vivid dawn
#

Honestly super isn’t a bad pick

plush grail
#

because u have amazing tanks but also players like rascal

bleak otter
#

I'm sad that ans retired

digital cloud
#

rascal architect and ans are good prospects

#

ans wasn't around all that long though

plush grail
#

1 year ye

digital cloud
#

rascal viol2t smurf and choi are probably the best options imo

#

no, philly

bleak otter
#

Oh thank you

#

I mixed it up

plush grail
digital cloud
#

I would agree but I don't think they beat out glads shock or shanghai dps so

bleak otter
#

Choi sigma is just ridiculous

digital cloud
#

choi everything is ridiculous

bleak otter
#

Yeah true

fringe thicket
#

choi is just a god gamer

digital cloud
#

even with void existing now he is still crazy good

plush light
#

Fusion

bleak otter
#

I love that violets dps is probably owl worthy even though he's a support main

digital cloud
#

well architect had a good ana

#

so did rascal too iirc

plush grail
digital cloud
#

a large amount of the shock can flex

plush light
#

Super zen

digital cloud
#

rascal shockwave carpe is decent

#

I wouldn't put them above glads shock or shanghai though necessarily

bleak otter
#

Haksal is still playing right

digital cloud
#

maybe shock but I won't count them out

plush grail
#

also bias from me cause i'm a big mano, rascal and poko simp

#

haksal retired

#

end of s3

bleak otter
#

Okie

#

Season 5 is coming up yeah?

plush grail
#

somewhere in april

#

14th?

bleak otter
#

I think I heard 16th

plush grail
#

somewhere halfway april yeah

#

yeah the 16th!

#

it's gonna be a fun start

#

the schedule people put a bunch of hyped matches right at the start

feral zodiac
#

Current best shock player either smurf or viol2t

next mesa
#

but combined

feral zodiac
kind ridge
#

🥜

next mesa
#

this guy

#

casting young and beautiful vs new kings

#

is so fucking biased LOL

kind ridge
#

u know ans is on t1 valorant

raw ermine
#

to the OWL players? or 1 country?

next mesa
#

biased to new kings

mortal abyss
#

This game is super close though

raw ermine
#

nice name btw Levy

next mesa
#

oh yeah

#

I forgot to change

#

t

#

there

raw ermine
#

the only 3peat I care about

next mesa
#

facts

#

cant wait for all the promising hitscans to all join the widow 1v1

#

jimmy shy gwanboong

#

AND DIEM JUST

mortal abyss
#

Wait why are eu/na contenders first to 2 again

next mesa
#

its first to 3

mortal abyss
#

w

raw ermine
willow moon
raw ermine
karmic grotto
tight hill
#

What?

#

How does that even happen

limber pine
#

somebody said a bug with the reply viewer

#

something similar happened last year in NA IIRC

earnest leaf
#

the new valiant will get one win somehow

#

Chengdu will 3-0 shd then lose 3-2 to the new valiant or something

tight hill
#

I’m not sure

#

I think the Vals key is finding a diamond in the rough

next mesa
earnest leaf
#

True

noble nexus
#

I'd be happy to even win maps if my MS was an OT and one of my main tanks hadn't played in 3 years

#

I'm not sure Krystal and Wya can put this team on their back's consistently enough to make a difference

tawdry hamlet
#

I like gig and aspen but they've both never had a ton of success

echo quest
#

Dog tier org IGC man

#

Just sell the spot

#

This team isn’t winning a single game in apac

plush grail
#

dumb people be like

raw ermine
#

Copypasta be like

tropic herald
#

If they had a real main support then they wouldn’t have that weird flex roster and they might’ve been ok

sullen berry
#

that's some fking commitment right there
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raw ermine
#

why are they like this? not even the coach?

sullen berry
#

wack

#

that's what it is

thin relic
forest raven
#

I think if she stays on the grind for the rest of the year she could get picked up for season 5

vagrant cargo
#

maybe bottom 5

thin relic
#

that’s still OWL level though l

next mesa
#

Hope she can make it

#

I believeeeeeee

vagrant cargo
#

idk if bottom 5 is rlly owl level on a position like mainsup

kind ridge
#

Is this a joke

willow moon
#

It's called copypasta

sly fog
#

Is there an english cast of the mayhem tournament?

raw ermine
kind ridge
#

no offense to anyone who likes this change

earnest leaf
#

wait revival 3-0ed AT?

#

I assume cloudy had his way

tawdry hamlet
#

Dynasty sheesh

#

spackle actually look really good rn

#

well they did lmao

#

but theyve lowkey fallen apart

#

but dynasty looks nuts

#

also geguri is playing ranked hypercatJAM

#

bruh spackle subbed out s9mm

plush grail
#

tbh i forgot geguri and dding existed

tawdry hamlet
#

they are going to try double hitscan I think crome

plush grail
#

wait does florida mayhem themselves play in the cup

#

or is it just contendies teams and stuff

tawdry hamlet
#

contenders teams

#

I believe

plush grail
#

sadge

#

would be cool if the did a tournament with some contendies

#

and faced the winner

#

but ofcourse u cant face a contenders team live

tawdry hamlet
#

the chicken sandwich war isn't over

#

we must fight

#

spackle come onnn

tropic herald
#

are AT just bad now or is Revival really good

thin relic
#

AT rusty + rushvival on a hot streak

spring hazel
#

who are the favourites\ to win the league next season?

earnest leaf
#

shock or shd

spring hazel
#

shd really?

plush grail
#

me

spring hazel
#

i thought shd were poor last season (in the playoffs)

#

and they lost fearless

earnest leaf
#

SHD had a shit meta shift for them in the playoffs

#

But they still retained solid players

#

arguably the best dps line in the league, void, and their supps

#

Fate most likely will plug in and pop off

spring hazel
#

are dallas a threat?

earnest leaf
#

imo no

spring hazel
#

what about philly?

earnest leaf
#

I think philly can be dangerous yea

tepid ibex
#

Philly are definitely in contention for #2 APAC

wanton birch
#

ta1yo is my new fave player simply for bringing absolute jupiter into my world cause holy shit betting on them in valorant has been basically free money

spring hazel
#

Danteh deserves better

raw ermine
#

So because Jupiter was a team ta1yo played on, you are betting on them jn valorant, and it working?

#

In*

#

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feral zodiac
#

Honestly, shanghai did really well considering how bad the playoff meta was for them

#

still brought shock and seoul to 5 maps

wanton birch
#

@raw ermine its the only japanese team ive heard of so i just presumed they would win and its been workung XD

#

odyssey looks so good with sigma

raw ermine
#

lmfao

#

the crusty diff

wanton birch
#

i wonder what place odyssey or american tornado would rank if they where in owl

feral zodiac
#

Above vancouver and valiant

#

Tornado on par with london

vagrant cargo
#

New tornado isnt that good

#

Also depends on meta

next mesa
#

I thought AT wins against 80% of owl teams

tropic herald
#

Diff patches diff roster

balmy wolf
#

better than shock lmao

earnest leaf
#

All he said was atl acad gave them a harder time than most teams in scrims. Even shock

balmy wolf
#

sure

earnest leaf
#

But again scrimbux = no bueno

balmy wolf
#

of course they werent better

#

just interesting insight

next mesa
#

what is that photo again where like jjonak tobi and some other apac players were invited for like model interview it was hot

plush grail
#

esquire pro korea

#

its kinda illegal how they did a photoshoot of owl players

#

with no sbb

earnest leaf
#

Bunch ow apac players did that model thing I think

plush grail
#

yeah

#

tobi, jjonak, glister, fleta, godsb

#

and cr0ng

next mesa
#

I cant find the post damn tragic

plush grail
next mesa
#

oooooo

plush grail
#

this pic alone still beats out the entire photoshoot tbh

unknown.png
feral zodiac
#

Ppl always say shock are ass in scrims tho

digital cloud
#

Shock don’t tryhard in scrims

trail perch
#

Then smth like the SS happens

#

Then they need to practice Super Genji

vagrant cargo
sand violet
#

lol

#

even old at wouldnt win against 80% and new at is a downgrade for sure

forest raven
#

Imagine putting any stock in scrimbux at this point

tropic herald
#

Who is this sigma guy and why are they cracked

sand violet
#

Korean player

#

used to go by Venom

#

streamer/ladder warlord

#

played on LFT in na before playing on odyssey

#

no clue if hes of age for owl or not

#

best tracer in na contenders by far

#

pretty much all to know about him

tropic herald
#

I knew most of that stuff but I keep looking at their liquipedia so see their age or anything and there’s nothing which is a little sad

next mesa
#

Apparently he's like a tracer one trick easily owl lvl but like other heroes so so

stuck sparrow
#

So he’s the tracer version of chips a

karmic grotto
#

When his name is Venom , so I am 2 vowels away from being owl level

#

Ez

fierce ferry
#

hey guys when is todays contenders match?

fierce ferry
karmic grotto
#

Ez

#

Ez

fierce ferry
#

XD

tropic herald
plush grail
#

the chengdu CHADS promoting a player to cockblock valiant from having a decent player

woven badge
#

in the nyxl scrim vod, they said there was a rerun of the english version?

#

where is that?

sullen berry
#

there were unofficial costreams

#

you have sync it yourself with the original video but the english commentary is worth it

fierce ferry
#

Also guys will you be able to get tokens from the experimental patch stream?

#

I also heard something about being able to get the drops right from yt

thin relic
#

Hey all: I made tier list templates for EU and NA contenders for this month:

next mesa
#

did AT change their roster?

sullen berry
sullen berry
thin relic
next mesa
#

I seee

#

cucember left

#

cucumber

thin relic
#

reiner is sh2pe

next mesa
#

so other than that

#

didnt change much

thin relic
#

yeah

#

everyone else has just upgraded. while I still think AT is the best team they’re much more vulnerable

next mesa
#

apex open mics are so good

#

cant believe I never watched them

plush grail
#

owl open mics are fun

#

i hope they dont stop making those vids

karmic grotto
#

xd

idle gorge
#

Rascal at philly???

mortal abyss
#

Yep

idle gorge
#

It’s always so weird if a player goes to a rival team

mortal abyss
#

True

#

like mano to fusion

#

or twilight to shock

#

Imagine telling someone in 2018 that fusion would have mano and fury

#

Yeah sorry should of made myself more clear

raw ermine
#

sadly we couldn't have the mano fury tank line

#

poko still cracked tho

karmic grotto
#

It's quite the revelation when you start analysing owl vods to see the strategy of the team, or a part of the strategy through the pov of one player

#

I'm checking viol2t Zen gameplay vs dynasty 5 months go

#

He plays around and behind Hog

#

Always around super

feral zodiac
#

Use the fat for protection

#

Like a seal

karmic grotto
#

Yeah

feral zodiac
#

Hog makes a surprisingly effective buffer

#

No one comes near because well

#

Hog

karmic grotto
#

I think where Hog lacks, Zen makes up for it

#

Hog can't really shoot at distance as Zen, so Zen controls sight line behind cover and Hog

tight hill
#

So what happened with Krystal that makes everyone hate him?

feral zodiac
#

Something something used visiting a sick relative as an excuse to spend time with his gf and not play in owl, then didn't work with the org when they asked if he needed more time

tight hill
#

Oh ok

#

I was just wondering why Reddit was having a stroke

karmic grotto
feral zodiac
#

Cus reddit is stupid

raw ermine
#

this probably while they're malding

earnest leaf
noble nexus
#

Krystal pulls that shit and still gets two more teams

#

it's wild

#

tbf this LAV roster barely counts for a team lol

willow moon
#

Wasn't there a similar scandal involving Krystal in 2018 or 2019?

raw ermine
#

the one I just posted? or a different one?

willow moon
#

Ye yours

earnest leaf
karmic grotto
#

jerry is always hungry

quartz cairn
#

is the contenders website broken?

clever terrace
#

the korean streaming were rescheduled

quartz cairn
#

oh

#

to when

clever terrace
#

if i dont get wrong to 29 of march

quartz cairn
#

Thank you PE_PandaAppear

vagrant cargo
cedar oasis
#

Atlanta trash

balmy wolf
#

actually solid

sand violet
#

ppl overhate krystal

feral zodiac
#

Not rly

worn falcon
#

fleta skin coming tomorrow

#

mfw i dont have tokens

plush grail
#

wait

#

but what about roadhog mvp skin

worn falcon
#

ew

plush grail
#

wdym

#

the roadhog skin is nice af

#

also it's a championship skin, not mvp skin

#

i forgot

fierce ferry
#

guys when will the OWL patch be live?

raw ermine
#

the experimental patch thing that was made by OWL professionals and content creators?

#

its gonna be used for 1 tournament, and then some changes MIGHT go through to the normal servers

digital cloud
#

too bad no jake though

#

jake was good

thin relic
#

jake wanted to play again

mortal abyss
#

Who says he can't cast while playing 👀

worn falcon
#

jake wanted to play and coach

#

if doesnt work he may switch to valorant i guess

cedar oasis
#

did nyxl stomp the charge

#

in the scrim

balmy wolf
#

even fight id say

raw ermine
#

Go to spaces yt channel and watch the first minute and a half of the video "my teammates are crazy"

#

Trust me

kind ridge
#

o

#

😳

trail perch
#

Is it a hot take to say that striker tracer wouldn’t look number 1 if he wasn’t on the shock?

#

Bc the more and more I look at decay and profit I think that they might just be better

#

But striker looks the best Bc of his team

shadow dagger
earnest leaf
#

The more I hear people say "x only looks good because they're on shock" the more I tilt

#

It's gonna get to a point where people say it about each member of shock

tropic herald
#

Waiting for someone to say Viol2t only looks good Bc he’s on shock

earnest leaf
#

I've heard it about every dps player on shock, smurf, moth

#

And super

tropic herald
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Okay ngl Moth in Steelseries did not look normal

earnest leaf
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It's too a point where people should realize shock is so dominant because of not only their strong team work, but they all individually are at the top

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tbf to moth for that it wasn't an official match and they were just starting scrims

tropic herald
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Yea but swapping skewed in for brig there was a clear diff

earnest leaf
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Moth never was known for having a super good brig

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Since twilight was subbed in on shock for brig or viol2t ran it

next mesa
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Moth brig is doodoo

outer egret
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old school superjump montages tho lmao

raw ermine
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his brig was good it was the playstyle that was different

next mesa
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Viol2t twilight both played her more

plush light
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Moth brig tech jumps is sooooooo good

vagrant cargo
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Like thats such a corny statement im sorry but what lmao