dafran's decision to jump into incel and misogynistic rhetoric devalued any sort of point he might have made
#esports-discussion
forest raven
idle gorge
has super said anything about it, because they we're obviously really good friends
forest raven
no
gaunt acorn
super said he hadn't read her thread (at the time someone asked him) and didn't wish to comment
idle gorge
so he did the smart option in not getting into it
forest raven
he's streaming rn but he hasn't talked about it
idle gorge
good of him imo
earnest leaf
My guess is super didn't know the full extent of everything, and sinatraa probably lied to his teammates about her
idle gorge
well ima get off cause i have some learning to do for a test in a couple hours
gaunt acorn
gl
echo quest
Sinatraa definitely lawyered up
echo quest
Depends
If he innocent than maybe not
If he guilty
Goodbye jay won from the public eye
idle gorge
They will drop him in the first place cause these prosecces can take a long long time
echo quest
What is confirmed is Sinatraa is a mega asshole. All that remains is if he is human trash or not
stuck radish
we already knew he was a mega asshole
but the human trash part we arent certain yet
echo quest
Dawg, mega assholes on stream
Does not equal to
Being an asshole irl
But unfortunately for him
It did
stuck radish
did he not tell people to kill themselves before becoming a pro in ow
cursive plover
The only thing that bothers me about this whole thing are the people who jump into defend him because "He's a kid, hes immature, he'll grow, he's a streamer and esports player don't ruin his career" Like bro he did it to himself
cursive plover
There are a lot of people defending him in one way or another.
Of course the majority doesn't like him at all
cursive plover
mmm
stuck radish
the year is 2041 and super is still being asked about sinatraa
cursive plover
The amount of collateral damage (is that the right phrase for this?) is huge. Every shock player will surely be asked about it at some point. Some more than others of course but I think most if not all the players who've played with him will somewhat "suffer" from it
forest raven
using age as an excuse is just as bad as "boys will be boys"
stuck radish
ta1yo glister nero and fdgod dodged a bullet
echo quest
im assuming
cursive plover
ta1yo glister nero and fdgod dodged a bullet
A huge one
cursive plover
lul
stuck radish
btw this channel is basically sinatraa-discussion now
idle gorge
Shroud could do a stream of him learning for a test, not like he still does that but he could do a complete silent stream where he’s just learning something and he’s still get 80k viewers
stuck radish
from what i've seen
tawdry hamlet
echo quest
is halo a lil braindead or was good
its literally the most uncriminating statement he could make
idle gorge
Well at least super won’t get allegated of raping his gf cause he’s never had one amirite
echo quest
rn
tawdry hamlet
Australian contenders time
stuck radish
Well at least super won’t get allegated of raping his gf cause he’s never had on...
most ow players can say the same
idle gorge
Nah but if there’s someone in the overwatch community I don’t want to get cancelled it’s super
But he’s also the most likely of getting cancelled because you know it’s super he’s always trashtalking and shit
balmy wolf
Lol it's kind of funny when I see people throw around the term gaslighting esp in regards to this topic. 90% of the people who use that term probably don't even know what it means.
sour cobalt
Theres something I dont understand
tawdry hamlet
I mean isn't gaslighting telling someone something isn't as bad as they make it or suggesting it isn't that big of a deal things like "oh my friend went through that and it wasn't that bad" or "well you never know maybe they deserved it" type of thing
or in this case implying that someone could just be an angry e girl
sour cobalt
I'm currently watching the contenders stream to get the drops, in the site that says how to get the drops, It says if the green dot is there, you're getting the watch time. The green dot on my screen keeps disappearing each like 1/2 minute(s) for no reason and I have to fast forward each time it happens. Which is forcing me to stay on the screen and not tab out of the window. Is there a reason for this happening and how can I fix it?
tawdry hamlet
proibably going to play it on my phone since I am playing a game and the dot keeps disappearing if I alt tab
which would suggest they fixed the exploit of just not actively watching 
sour cobalt
I'm on my phone
tawdry hamlet
on pc it happens after I click off the window and back into cyberpunk
sour cobalt
epic
tawdry hamlet
Off topic but this series kind of a snoozefest
tawdry hamlet
Yeah I just refresh when it happens, not too worried though there's always more than enough contenders to watch
sour cobalt
I know but I just want to leave it and go play ow
But I cant
I'm forced to watch the dot
Then fast forward
tawdry hamlet
theyll likely fix it so I am just going to leave it and see what happens I can not be bothered to constantly refresh
jagged crater
refund on the alien mvp skin? Shit got real
sour cobalt
wait it happened
fierce ferry
Sinatraa was accused of sexual assault/abuse
Also if you keep it the mvp and championship badges will be removed
fierce ferry
You can ask to get it refunded
fierce ferry
Then there isn’t a problem 🙂
tawdry hamlet
if they ask
fierce ferry
Ye
sour cobalt
oh
fierce ferry
And as I said the championship and mvp badges will be removed
karmic grotto
I'll keep using the skin since it's a reference to man in black
fierce ferry
I can see that
I get that you don’t mean something bad with that 🙂
Also guys if the dot of the YT live thing is red but you see the green dot, do you still get the drops?
fierce ferry
But do you still get it?
karmic grotto
I got the previous drops
fierce ferry
Oh ok 🙂
sullen berry
Torb skin also
Lucio I didn't watch enough
But why would I want to replace it with the Season 1 LA Valiant skin
forest raven
Twitter
sullen berry
ELO did it
gaunt acorn
ELO did it
more like uber forced elo hell's hand
dry mesa
if they ask
I contacted blizzard support and got denied for the refund on the alien skin so....who knows lol
tribal flint
That's weird
plush grail
maybe there's gonna be like a form for the alien skin refund
so they can do it via 1 channel
and not just tons of random support tickets
sullen berry
more like uber forced elo hell's hand
definitely contributed to it, ELOHell fucked up trying to negotiate the "better deal"
gaunt acorn
I contacted blizzard support and got denied for the refund on the alien skin so....
what'd they say?
dry mesa
Generic response that all purchases are non-refundable
i assume they haven't gotten up to speed yet
i attached the tweet in the first inquiry, but they didn't even acknowledge it
sullen berry
probably not going to happen for another week or two
you'd probably need to log a new ticket kek
gaunt acorn
seems kind of premature to make an announcement, if that were the case
sounds like you got an automated response or a clueless support rep, imo
sullen berry
the announcement did sound like they haven't figured it out
I'll take to refund as soon as they state how they're going to provide it
dry mesa
yeah i am a bit early, in the tweet it says they will provide details for refund in the near future
i didn't buy the tokens, i earned them from the streams, so i rather just get the tokens back so spend on something else
dry mesa
i thought it was skins, not tokens?
dry mesa
yeah i like avrl
sullen berry
after spending weeks reviewing old OW tournaments and casting valorant
I'd agree the only way you could even remain in T2 is if you get to become the gordon ramsay of play by play
@drowsy crest hello there
did you want me to replay the first matches or...?
drowsy crest
do as you wish I'm just watching this in the background not paying too much attention
but thx for offer
modest crow
I like that skin
gaunt acorn
don't expect any retroactive 2019 mvp skin
all we have to look forward to now is fleta's skin
plush light
Did anyone else notice that there were good crosshairs for contenders today?
jaunty bear
impossible
plush light
Look at it
next mesa
DYNASTY
modest crow
smh.
tropic herald
Chengdu zone got me thinking
willow drum
Because I need an apac team to support
balmy wolf
support valiant
tropic herald
Well Shanghai is very clearly the best APAC team and then the other three Chinese teams are generally considered up there too so pick one of them
willow drum
But between Spark, Hunters and Charge, which will come on top?
tropic herald
Idk, haven’t seen enough of them
next mesa
hard to tell
plush grail
not the top team but a very liked team: nyxl
tropic herald
If you want to have an underdog then go for any
willow drum
I'll prob support charge this year
next mesa
DYNASTY 😩 😩 🆗 PROFIT 💯 💯 
plush grail
lmao imagine if this new nyxl squad actually perfoms better than the s3 team
tropic herald
I mean this one isn’t even that bad
It’s pretty raw talent but maybe coaching pops off
plush grail
true but still compared to last year where they had star players on every position
fierce ferry
I'd love to see mano getting a lot of resources and just popping off
mano still did great with very little resources
worn falcon
the problem with nyxl s3 i think was coaching
most experimental stuff not working with their playstyles
hot onyx
Don’t get me started on nyxl s3 coaching
hardy axle
What are the allegations against Sinattra
true hound
go read
glacial delta
What are the allegations against Sinattra
TLDR, his ex said he sexually abused her then showed some photos and a audio file. Sinatraa responded saying that this was false and that he will be cooperating in the investigation his org Sentinels is doing and is willing to show the video that the audio came from (he is willing to show it for the investigation, not show it to the general public).
mortal abyss
Twitter
glacial delta
sadge
glacial delta
raw ermine
we already knew he was playing valorant
echo quest
the japanese scene is popping and the top teams has a lot of koreans
loud heron
bright idol
is chengdu still a full chinese team
thin relic
yes
earnest leaf
https://twitter.com/TorontoDefiant/status/1370117634461683716 back as a content creator
next mesa
thats a W
weak bolt
yeah nice move for both parties
weak bolt
Now he just needs an in n out sponsorship
raw ermine
borger
karmic grotto
gloria borger
balmy wolf
I had a listen to the Sinatraa audio recording. Holy shit. I thought it was something terrible with the way people went on about it, but it literally sounds like some kinky baby talk and they were both liking it. Is this seriously it? All of these allegations over this like 5 second audio?
plush grail
missed that
deleted the message
tbh what are the chances of agilities joining the toronto roster again
tight axle
If na1at does bad then maybe bc there were 3 teams who were gonna pcik him up and he supposedly slapped in trials
trail perch
Prob LA
tight axle
Not too high but if na1at really messes up and there are no others then maybe
plush grail
if we ever get a rein centered meta
cloudy will fuck
also this clip is amazing https://clips.twitch.tv/PeacefulLightSquidDendiFace-oE-af_OwhXKbpJjr
raw ermine
he played it well tho
crude zinc
When have you seen Carpe whiff
trail perch
ok hear me out, neither of those teams will be bottom feeders
tawdry hamlet
It'll be tough but I see houston pulling through that since the "worst" team in apac after valiant is chengdu and chengdu are already mid tier so it looks rough for them imo
trail perch
Smth will happen and they will both be middle of the pack
tawdry hamlet
I just can't fathom a chinese t2 roster that has any shot at all against shanghai, charge, spark, seoul, or philly
Idk about nyxl with new roster
But those 5 are going to most likely shit on a team of 5 t2 chinese players
earnest leaf
Valiant is going to be bottom tier
Houston will get some wins
People are sleeping on danteh/happy hard carrying smh
trail perch
People sleeping on krystal
raw ermine
give the man a chance. he needs to pay his million dollar fine lul
tropic herald
nothing quite as refreshing as watching na ladder games have quality players in them
earnest leaf
aka all the owl players came back to NA lol
tropic herald
it was kinda cool bc i jumped in a random custom and xzi was just vibing in there and it took me way too long to recognize it was him and that owl players are back in na but makes me so happy
raw ermine
I met muma for 2 seconds, and by met I mean he entered a lobby, chose rein, and left
kind ridge
@raw ermine u t500
dreamy cave
does anyone have, or know where i can find the clip of when there were 4 Reinhardt's on lijiang tower. (when echo was released to owl) i cant remember the teams
tight axle
Honestly u could probably check the stats of all games after echos release
It's on the owl website
karmic grotto
Echo op
fierce ferry
Isn’t he signed yet?
hot onyx
Nope
karmic grotto
hot onyx
ooo
plush grail
ok so like
what teams in apac would want rascal
shanghai and seoul are a no i think because they already have a super flex player in fleta and proft
spark already has tons of dps
valiant budget, charge or philly maybe?
tawdry hamlet
Honestly though, it's wild to think that chengdu is the worst of apac and they actually have a pretty ok roster. Therefore Valiant just exists
Halo said philly I believe
Like how will valiant win a game with budget t2 china players against any team there at all
Apac is stacked
plush grail
valiant can get a win
if like a team has trouble adapting to a meta
if that happens they have like a 10% chance tbh
tawdry hamlet
Diya was one of the last competitive hitscans on the scene for them to take and he isn't there 
Diya innovation was their only hope
And monk aprita
plush grail
valiant can be good
if they just pick up undead, mg, daemin, ado, sky, freefeel, fiveking, altering, roshan, xushu, diya and geguri
tawdry hamlet
If they go mixed they can
But the assumed all chinese roster would have like Diya super rich and like uh
Others
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
if they just pick up undead, mg, daemin, ado, sky, freefeel, fiveking, altering,...
daemin
hot onyx
valiant budget, charge or philly maybe?
Charge already has Eileen and ChoiSehWon
tawdry hamlet
Really just philly to fill gaps or chengdu to fill gaps but arch kaneki doesn't have many holes I just don't think rascal would go valiant
plush grail
all of the 3 charge fans might get upset but like
plush grail
imagine if valiant actually got rascal tho
they got shit players at all positions so they could afford rascal
tawdry hamlet
They could
If they just bombed a full bunch of money to come out and surprise everyone
hot onyx
Yeah release their korean players to build a chinese roster with other korean players
plush grail
shanghai did the same, shit team first and then build up a amazing roster
tawdry hamlet
If they actually picked up unsigned beast players that are free they'd be competitive
But they want full chinese
plush grail
libero is spanish
hot onyx
Dude what are you on?
tawdry hamlet
plush grail
off-season is getting to me man
hot onyx
Saying libero is spanish is like saying eqo is from israel
tawdry hamlet
plush grail
?????
also who tf is adora
plush grail
dmi it
hot onyx
Ok
hot onyx
Adora is the 2nd best dps player in the league I’m surprised the spark released him
forest raven
what
hot onyx
Closely followed up by Zykk at #1 ofc
forest raven
i was legitimately worried you were serious for a second there
rustic shoal
Eqo is from korea
Bro you really thought eqo was korean?
hot onyx
Not thought, he is korean.
rustic shoal
Bro?
balmy wolf
Um
raw ermine
He's israeli
hot onyx
Last time he did a livestream he wasn’t
jaunty bear
Last time he did a livestream he wasn’t
wtf does a race changer exist now?
hot onyx
Dude eqo said himself that he’s korean
raw ermine
hot onyx
Big up
kind ridge
trail perch
Ok but like lowkey tho, fusion second in APAC?
Poko pulls a s1 and does insane
Mano still a top MT
DPS line carpe rascal
and Fastro Alarm
raw ermine
astro has visa issues tho
could be iffy
but yeah
I still think poko is nuts
all his off tanks are good
trail perch
If they get a good sniper heavy meta
raw ermine
shockwave carpe
trail perch
I trust the fact that Dragons have never been able to make diem work in their roster
And I would favor Fusion
And I would favor fusion in a hitscan-proj meta
Like Rascal carpe vs, fleta erster
Because again, diem has never been able to be integrated well
raw ermine
it's struggled a bit due to covid, and it's currently in the offseason, but its gonna start up soon, and its pretty strong
idle beacon
what do you mean with pretty strong ??
next mesa
Fusion
raw ermine
OW 2 was expected to come out soon, but thats not happening, so that discourages lots of people, combined with the P2P system being not that great
next mesa
Because again, diem has never been able to be integrated well
Wrong diem is diem and diem will fuck
Diem > carpe and shockwave
trail perch
Diem is fucking insane
raw ermine
he is nuts
next mesa
He is though
trail perch
On widow????
trail perch
He was fine on like cree
trail perch
Not better than carpe on ashe and widow
and i will die on this hill
Lip off sombra isnt elite, its really good, but not the very top tier
feral zodiac
From what I remember when they needed widow for an entire map they played diem
idle beacon
OW 2 was expected to come out soon, but thats not happening, so that discourages...
P2P ?
raw ermine
path to pro
idle beacon
oh
but still, why is the next season being pretty strong
and, ow2 is running on a totally new engine, right? or did i misunderstood that ~40m presentation vid from blizzcon?
balmy wolf
their hitscan was cheating
willow drum
Is the charge going to be as good as last year?
balmy wolf
What da fuck is going on with sinatraa
hot onyx
Is the charge going to be as good as last year?
Most likely not since dynasty, spark, hunters and debatably nyxl have upgraded this year whilst charge made what is on paper a downgrade
And also fusion moving to apac will make it more difficult
willow drum
So what are the current Apac standings?
kind ridge
What da fuck is going on with sinatraa
He wrote a twitlonger on behalf his side of the story
balmy wolf
Look what they did to valiant. Got rid of all of my boys, and are moving to apac. A los Angeles team.
It's not even the same damn team anymore
karmic grotto
Look what they did to valiant. Got rid of all of my boys, and are moving to apac...
rip
los angeles beijing
balmy wolf
Fuck no. Our players were iconic, unreplaceable.
McGravy was like a father to me, and the other ones my brothers
And I just wasted money on a fucking valiant hoodie
cedar oasis
mctrash
tight axle
McGravy was like a father to me, and the other ones my brothers
I remember McGravys debut game. He ate literally every ult and spawn camped the enemy. It was beautiful.
It was numbani and he mightve also played ilios(but I'm not sure)
balmy wolf
I'm not gay but I am for McGravy
cedar oasis
mctrash
tepid raft
apologies if im late, but whats with the refund of the zarya alien skin?
plush grail
the zarya alien skin was made for the season 2 overwatch mvp sinatraa
but recently some accusations about sinatraa came up so overwatch decided to take action and remove any link to sinatraa and offer a refund to players who just don't want it anymore
tepid raft
damn. while keeping it vague, how bad are the accusations?
plush grail
the mods asked us to not talk about it here, just a quick google should give you the info you need
tepid raft
ok. will do
karmic grotto
I'll keep using the skin, I like it
raw ermine
Nice to meet you gay
barren quest
Gun is easily the best thing about the Alien Zarya skin
kind ridge
yea no lastro
raw ermine
and gl1tch is there
dry mesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enQufg4eKhw
they are missing the taco before bell on their jerseys?
raw ermine
lol I didn't see any of that
gaunt acorn
bell sucks
sullen berry
related question, are mobile carriers any better in canada?
raw ermine
I use bell for call+text, no problems there, although my phone is so old I can't send photos so idk about that
tawdry hamlet
Pretty sure they were making a joke
dry mesa
bell sucks
i know they don't even have a dollar menu
tawdry hamlet
Completely off topic but the main vegan option there is like 10 dollars and it's stupid, if I wanted to spend ten dollars on beans rice lettuce and guac in a bowl I'd buy it at the grocery store 
Also hyped for more t2
Is Diya staying with cc or nah? I don't remember
tribal flint
Yeah idk why anyone would spend $10 at taco bell if chipotle or something is an option
plush grail
Completely off topic but the main vegan option there is like 10 dollars and it's...
taco bell esports
cedar oasis
Yea
digital cloud
I personally wouldn't watch it if I was paid
forest raven
Good for you
glacial delta
nobody here watches owl
😦
dry mesa
i watch it
sullen berry
you'd probably need to log a new ticket kek
@dry mesa so did you manage to reopen a closed ticket for the zarya skin by replying to it? Or have you created a new one?
dry mesa
i tried following up but they basically ignored me
i attached that info for customer service and no response
i said alien skin and customer service was like "Allied" skin? No theres no refund for that...
sullen berry
yeah try them now
it seems odd they're more interested in closing off your query
and just forcing you to repeat yourself
plush grail
i just sent a general ticket with the name ''zarya mvp skin refund'' and they got the message instantly
willow drum
Out of the Chengdu Hunters, Hanzhou Spark, Guangzhou Charge, which one of them will do the best and worst this year?
craggy sandal
Chengdu is probably the best and charge is the worst
willow drum
Could we say Chengdu is around the 3rd Best team in Apac?
Because Shanghai and Seoul are probably 1st and 2nd best
or would philly be 3rd
craggy sandal
Philly with rascal is for sure top 3 and I wouldn’t say Seoul is the second best team just because of how inconsistent they are
willow drum
what r ur Apac team rankings?
cedar oasis
Pain
They are pain
Just know that every apac team would stomp ratlanta
Except the valiant
wintry plank
Hey just wanna make sure (ping me), I have the Alien Zara skin and am probably going to go the refund route. As of right now is there anything I can do?
earnest leaf
https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/000285678 @wintry plank
wintry plank
Is there anyway to submit that ticket yet?
earnest leaf
Should be through the normal ticket system
mint abyss
related question, are mobile carriers any better in canada?
bad and really expensive
limber pine
I keep getting told I’m a terrible person for using the skin
Tbh I didn’t even know it had logo-ing on it if Blizzard hadnt said anything
plush grail
It really sucks because the gun is dope and the concept is cool
but I just had to refund it because the skin is just gonna remind me of this shitshow
its sad
quartz cairn
the skin was actually my fav zarya skin imo
it looked really nice and stuff
but whether the player chooses to keep and use it or not is none of my business
plush grail
philly is picking up rascal but also keeping eqo ??? https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1370825905543712774
imo legit the best dps line in the league rn
carpe, shockwave, rascal eqo
limber pine
If they have the room I don’t see why not
next mesa
imo legit the best dps line in the league rn
Fleta lip diem erster would like to disagree
plush grail
watching philly vs shanghai will be dope
trail perch
I think fusion better
What would they do in echo tracer?
Erster might just not be as good as he used to be
plush grail
fleta erster i think
trail perch
yeah but like erster just didnt put on good showings last year when he did play
plush grail
yeah idk about him tbh
he'll have to perform well
otherwise fusion just rolls in certain metas
tepid ibex
diem maybe on tracer?
trail perch
that was 2018, and s2 he played sombra and widow most of the time
vagrant cargo
His tracer is worse but not by much
trail perch
LFZ was so long ago
trail perch
I would not say that any of shanghais sucess came from diem tracer
vagrant cargo
Yeah difference is SBB got worse coaching diems coaching just imrproved
vagrant cargo
Because that mf literally had a collapsed lung? 😭😭
trail perch
Summer showdown first few maps...
vagrant cargo
Like he didnt get to play the whole off season
trail perch
May melee first few maps
trail perch
playoffs
vagrant cargo
And in playoffs he popped
trail perch
Lmao, they never did well with him in
vagrant cargo
He literally farmed in playoffs 💀
trail perch
there was a disconnect between diem and the rest of the team lol
vagrant cargo
Yeah in may melee Shanghai didnt knew how to play around his widow and fearless orisa was meh af
trail perch
Then summer showdown?
vagrant cargo
In playoffs he wss literally SHDs best player
vagrant cargo
Yeah in may melee Shanghai didnt knew how to play around his widow and fearless ...
I meant.summer showdown
trail perch
In top 4 maybe, but they still lost when it mattered
vagrant cargo
May melee he was still rusty asf
trail perch
the only team they beat was philly
trail perch
but they have seen sucess with void in
vagrant cargo
They also saw sucess w diem in
vagrant cargo
Its not a team diff no no !
trail perch
They subbed him out and started wining
vagrant cargo
Its all diems fault
vagrant cargo
Im talking abt playoffs
trail perch
against shock?
vagrant cargo
Seoul
trail perch
or against seoul
vagrant cargo
They won 2 maps vs seoul due to diem
trail perch
Im not saying diems bad
Im saying that shanghai isnt good with him, and they played better with lip
vagrant cargo
The team didnt knew how to play around him in summer showdown
trail perch
and lip just isnt as good
next mesa
When diem on widow it's never his fault
trail perch
yeah diems insane at widow, its just the team does better with lip
vagrant cargo
It wasnt abt diem it was abt Shanghai being bad on orisa comps w no stand1 and not knowing how to play around widow comps in general
trail perch
Then how come it happened in both MM and SS
vagrant cargo
They do better with lip because lip in usualy means sombra dive w fearless on his best hero
trail perch
At some point they should have figured it out
trail perch
They played him for like 3 maps
vagrant cargo
It wasnt abt diem it was abt Shanghai being bad on orisa comps w no stand1 and n...
Literally explained the summer showdown one here
vagrant cargo
Yeah he underperformed on all 3 maps
Yeah and fearless orisa is still not good
Stand1 was tje orisa player
He literally had a collapsed lung in the off season so he couldbt grind
trail perch
JESUS CHRIST ITS LIKE U DIDNT EVEN WATCH THE LEAGUE, WHEN DIEM WAS IN, THEY LOST, THEY SWAP TO LIP, PLAYING THE SAME HITSCAN AND STARTING WINNING
vagrant cargo
He had to get back in form first
trail perch
Diem didnt win a single map against guangzhou
vagrant cargo
Except they played sombra dive in may melee when lip played
trail perch
Lip won 2
vagrant cargo
They literally forced sombra dive
trail perch
it was ashe, cree and widow
vagrant cargo
fleta was also getting outclassed on genji by eileen
trail perch
Im not calling diem bad
vagrant cargo
Also lip played cree on busan
vagrant cargo
Yeah never said u do
But u still dont get what im saying cuz appereantly u cant read idk
Nvm i remember u
Ur the guy that said LJG top mercy
feral zodiac
What r u guys arguing about
vagrant cargo
😭😭
Still waiting for u to pull up the stats that prove ur point @trail perch
Abt ljgs god tier mercy
feral zodiac
Wtf is the argument
trail perch
My favorite sombra dive
Gibralter is the dive map
The metas been dive for years
Thats not forcing anything
feral zodiac
Isn't lip more flexible than diem
trail perch
Yes it is lol
vagrant cargo
Diem.played in summer showdown finals on Anubis
vagrant cargo
feral zodiac
But u can't blame loss on diem just because he got subbed in?
vagrant cargo
Its literally fearless being a bad orisa
trail perch
its prob smth about playstyle and coms
vagrant cargo
Yeah becazse they didnt knew how to play around widow back then
feral zodiac
Ye lip is meant 2 be good at comms isn't he
trail perch
yeah he is
vagrant cargo
Vut in playoffs they did
trail perch
apparently
feral zodiac
But if u want 2 take a widow duel in a game
Diem is the better pick
So coaching was probs having a dilemma
trail perch
Yeah diems fucking cracked
But he was never well implemented
and the team never played as well
i think 2019 they had some super strong commers
Like youngjin, gamsu, dding
etc.
vagrant cargo
Im on Gibraltar rn and.lip has only played sombra so far
trail perch
Yeah gbralter is a dive map
Lol
it would be wierd for him not to play sombra
On busan he plays widow, cree and sombra
next mesa
Its literally fearless being a bad orisa
It's fleta playing Genji in the wrong style
trail perch
they lose the round where he plays sombra
feral zodiac
It is literally gz being better at the meta
trail perch
widow and cree
vagrant cargo
They didnt win a map
feral zodiac
Remember when fleta swapped to widow and killed 5
trail perch
MM
vagrant cargo
But they won several points
feral zodiac
Big dick moment
trail perch
yeah on KR
vagrant cargo
They also won several maps in playoffs with diem in
trail perch
but he is better than diem as sombra
vagrant cargo
So ur point is literally just falsw
trail perch
?
vagrant cargo
No that they never did good with diem
vagrant cargo
Ofc they win more w their best comp
But even if lip was on widow the entire time they would have lost
trail perch
ok well i gtg but ur just denying reality
next mesa
Ur just not making any sense
feral zodiac
Wtf even was the point
vagrant cargo
Shanghai on sombra dive comps w fearless>>>>Shanghai on widow orisa comps w fearless
next mesa
I'ma be honest
vagrant cargo
Its a comp diff
feral zodiac
Shanghai on comps they are good at>>>> shanghai on comps they are not so good at
vagrant cargo
Also im still waiting for u showing me LJGs insane mercy stats 😃
feral zodiac
Shanghai on comps they are good at>>>> shanghai on comps they are not so good at
Isn't that known
feral zodiac
Did ljg play mercy?
vagrant cargo
After calling me a super stream watcher and NA only watcher 🤥
Yeah
In playoffs
And he was ass
But our gigabrain essenza called me dumb for saying that and said LJG is a goated mercy
When i literally watched his PoV w contenders players i coached
feral zodiac
Oh ye
feral zodiac
Sanguinar pepehands
vagrant cargo
Those 6 are rlly good mercys
trail perch
ok well before i go
vagrant cargo
Ye
trail perch
vagrant cargo
Yveltal mercy is goated
trail perch
Ljg vc tobi vc moth
raw ermine
pistol only
trail perch
vs
vagrant cargo
That stat isnt impressive because its rlly reliant on the comp
He played it in double sniper dive
frank granite
If moth is bottom 3 clearly it’s not a great indicator
vagrant cargo
And still had shit.positioning and shit rezzes
vagrant cargo
Infact he played her totally wrong because he was mainly pocketing.his tanks
quartz cairn
next mesa
Carcar
vagrant cargo
Instead of damage boosting his hanzo
next mesa
Ok guys I guess moth is bottom 3 mercy in the league sadge
trail perch
kruise isnt near the top
feral zodiac
Yo guys
trail perch
lol
vagrant cargo
So they had less pressure
vagrant cargo
Also in S1 sbb was mid asf on tracer statwise in many categories
feral zodiac
kruise isnt near the top
He is 3rd on that list
vagrant cargo
Even tho he was undeniably the best tracer
trail perch
here's just the finals stats
vagrant cargo
U clearly dont know how ow works and u just try to defend ur biased takes with no context stats
trail perch
vagrant cargo
Statwise FDGOD was overall bettee than LJG on mercy
And FDs mercy is ass
He literally said it himself on stream too lol
feral zodiac
So r u saying funnyastro was better than moth tobi and ljg in finals?
vagrant cargo
Moth is statwise #16 on mercy
feral zodiac
Why show them then
vagrant cargo
just move on and stop trying to act like u know how ow works cuz u clearly dont
feral zodiac
Wat
trail perch
because NTB asked
vagrant cargo
I asked for proof
trail perch
because I dare say lJG was the best MS 2020
feral zodiac
Best ms was moth
vagrant cargo
And u said he was a top tier mercy
feral zodiac
Is it me
feral zodiac
Or is ms the only position where the west is better than asia
vagrant cargo
It is
vagrant cargo
Also m1ka and alarm on brig>
feral zodiac
Oasis moment
feral zodiac
Cya
feral zodiac
Do u think moth is gonna do good on glads
feral zodiac
Shu moth supp line looking stacked
feral zodiac
Only thing I'm worried about for glads is space
Idk how he feels about overwatch anymore
But they got mad potential everywhere else
vagrant cargo
I think space is B tier
vagrant cargo
Yee
raw ermine
still delta
Anyone wanna discuss power ranking predictions?
Also for the Glads, moth will probably get benched whenever they need a brig because Skewed is absolutely insane on her, he got a 35 second rally.
@balmy wolf here?
next mesa
yes
still delta
Awww
I want them to win the whole thinggg
Like they legit could, except their supports.
earnest leaf
Unless dallas gets the perfect meta I don't see them winning a tourney
Even then they would have to beat glads/shock/shd
next mesa
Yeah I think
Tourney might the the ceiling
Get a wack Genji/pharah/doom meta where sparkle can fuck will be their chance
still delta
They could end up only having to beat shock and Shanghai
Idk how the tourny system is gonna end up tho
I'm definitely not sold on their roster rn
next mesa
They're not making any additions
still delta
Doha is good but he's nowhere close to the peak of OWL dps
He's like a B tier dps cuz of flexibility.
earnest leaf
I have said it before, dallas is just paris 2.0, with a worse dps line, and a worse MS
and hot take
Sidegrade of a MT
still delta
MS?
earnest leaf
main support
still delta
Main support?
earnest leaf
Fdgod to jecse
still delta
Oh okay
Jecse killed it against Seoul tho
Absolutely insane performance.
I think it was the steel series tournament.
I don't know if he'll be the same as Fd tho
earnest leaf
I call it a sidegrade because they're good at different heroes
earnest leaf
Fearless? nasty monkey, solid rein, idk about ball, and a meh orisa
still delta
Ya, he is S tier winston
earnest leaf
Benbest? Thicc orisa, solid rein, idk about ball, and probably a meh winston
forest raven
you always want smurf
still delta
How do y'all feel about Hanbin off of dva and sigma?
earnest leaf
hanbin has a thicc sigma, but I don't know if his dva is good or not, heard it's good though
still delta
I think it's solid dk how to feel about his other heroes tho
I definitely think that Dallas needs to sign a tracer or a big name support.
next mesa
Hanbin has a great zarya too
still delta
Would you rather see their tank like added to or their support line?
next mesa
Dps
still delta
Lmao
next mesa
Xzi can't play ashe
still delta
I don't trust jecse, rapel and Fielder to cover them
next mesa
That's a probpem
forest raven
i just want to see shock fuck the competition again
still delta
I don't think shock will be as dominate as they were last season
forest raven
i'll believe it when i see it
next mesa
Dragons now
still delta
The thing is the only teams that got better over the off season (out of the ones in the grand finals all 4 teams)
Is Shanghai and Seoul
Philly and shock got worse.
But Mano I think is better than sado, is that a hot take.
?
forest raven
wait for the crusty coefficient to come into play 
earnest leaf
well seoul is kinda 50/50
still delta
I expect Seoul to be trash in the regular season