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#esports-discussion
true hound
little tusk
dude
forest raven
zalty why do people so incessantly defend the abuser @true hound
digital cloud
it wouldn't be fair if he didn't do it, but fair doesn't really play into it
true hound
idk man
little tusk
I'm focusing on "ruining his life"
forest raven
is it because the victim is more often than not a woman?
quartz cairn
I'm focusing on "ruining his life"
are you more worried about sinatraa's life being ruined or the girl whos life was already ruined?
which one are u more worried about?
viral cargo
which player is this?
quartz cairn
cause its pretty obvious which one you care more about
little tusk
this girl's life isnt fucking ruined dude
quartz cairn
this girl's life isnt fucking ruined dude
she was mentally and sexually assaulted?
forest raven
she was raped, abused, gaslighted
quartz cairn
even if it isnt permanent, that leaves a lasting scar
tight hill
Wait what happened
quartz cairn
that ruins you mentally
forest raven
she has thousands of people on the internet calling her a clout chaser, egirl, slut, liar etc.
little tusk
yeah I agree and godbless her soul for coming out with this
forest raven
it's trauma
little tusk
I hope whatever therapy she gets will get her back unto her feet
maybe i'm just talking semantics
but if u say ur life is ruined then that means it's over for u
might as well die
forest raven
Wait what happened
tight hill
Oh.
tight hill
That’s surprising
quartz cairn
but if u say ur life is ruined then that means it's over for u
sinatraa isnt gonna die
nor is she
little tusk
yeh then their life isnt ruined xd
quartz cairn
not rn atleast
quartz cairn
yeh then their life isnt ruined xd
youre acting like his was gonna be?
if you think 'his life is ruined cuz of his allegations'
little tusk
nah I was speaking against ppl saying his life should be ruined
tight hill
Thank god Overwatch got rid of him I guess
karmic grotto
Thank god Overwatch got rid of him I guess
little tusk
I think if ur life is ruined then there's no purpose for u to continue... living...
quartz cairn
I think if ur life is ruined then there's no purpose for u to continue... living...
uh thats not what i think of it
but well
i see that ig?
quartz cairn
lmao its on valorant now
tight hill
Yeah that’s true
digital cloud
human psychology will go to work
little tusk
he got onto jimmy fallon as well
quartz cairn
who that
little tusk
so let's hope
digital cloud
but either way, it all hinges on response, pretty much
forest raven
super 
🌹
quartz cairn
i think i remember it
digital cloud
judging from this chat, sinatraa is canned as hell
sly fog
Im late to the thread what happened
glacial delta
Im late to the thread what happened
sinatraa was accused of abuse
little tusk
with damning evidence
karmic grotto
But where's the official lawyer thing?
karmic grotto
Any official document?
glacial delta
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWeHGrVdfrs
yes
tight hill
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWeHGrVdfrs
Yep
digital cloud
not as far as I know
little tusk
it's like the callmecarson thing
quartz cairn
👀
tight hill
Nobody cares about those late night shows, but it shows owl in the mainstream
little tusk
shows gamers in general in the mainstream
tight hill
Nobody under 35 actually watches those shows
quartz cairn
lmao
tight hill
That’s why it was big
digital cloud
late night shows are about as relevant as cable now
quartz cairn
correct: nobody actually watches those shows
true hound
But where's the official lawyer thing?
she didnt go to a lawyer
digital cloud
except the people that get them recommended on youtube I guess
karmic grotto
Did she file an official police complaint?
true hound
no
little tusk
I mean tbh posting it on twitter is pretty smart as well
glacial delta
Did she file an official police complaint?
nope
quartz cairn
she probably will soon
karmic grotto
Then wtf is this bs about then?
true hound
????
karmic grotto
You dont go to social media and then police
little tusk
yeh u do
digital cloud
yes you do
quartz cairn
wait did she say she didnt file it
glacial delta
?
quartz cairn
or has she just not mentioned it
tight hill
No you go the police first
true hound
she said she did not go to the police
digital cloud
it is the general way of doing it
karmic grotto
His laywer can use that argument against her
true hound
she said she waited for 20 minutes in front of a police station
glacial delta
you go to the police first
tight hill
His laywer can use that argument against her
Yep
quartz cairn
she said she waited for 20 minutes in front of a police station
were they closed?
digital cloud
well you should, perhaps
but a lot of people just take it to the court of public opinion now
for good or ill
little tusk
hey it's your choice if u want to reserve judgement or not
even though she's posting it on social media it's still us who decide if we judge or not
true hound
i dont think u guys realize how stressful it is for a person to press charges aganst a person who has a fuck ton of money and fame and power lol
tight hill
I’m just going to wait for the facts to make any kind of opinion
little tusk
@true hound haven't been in that situation so no xd
digital cloud
it works well if you want results, at least
little tusk
tbh I have no idea how pressing charges in general work
true hound
not to mention its an abusive relationship its not exactly "easy" to get out
digital cloud
may be hard to get it to work in court
quartz cairn
tbh I have no idea how pressing charges in general work
me either some law major wanna educat me
weak bolt
Twitter
little tusk
but I'm sure she has her reasons for doing what she did and I highly doubt my experience matters at all
weak bolt
Some more OW specific drama for a change
karmic grotto
Some more OW specific drama for a change
corrupt?
little tusk
not to mention its an abusive relationship its not exactly "easy" to get out
I thought they had been broken up for a while?
doesn't sinatraa have a new gf already
bright idol
Twitter
quartz cairn
I thought they had been broken up for a while?
it was a year ago but trauma takes forever to get over
so idk
bright idol
is this discussed yet
quartz cairn
ye
glacial delta
doesn't sinatraa have a new gf already
yes, the accuser also is dating ksp
weak bolt
The sinatraa stuff is from S2 yes, so over a year ago
quartz cairn
yes, the accuser also is dating ksp
hold up
tight hill
I’m not sure Sinatra is the most loved person on the planet, there’s still a whole community that hates him
little tusk
isn't that super's ex
glacial delta
she is
little tusk
that's dating ksp
karmic grotto
wtf?
glacial delta
?
digital cloud
yep, she is
little tusk
it was a year ago but trauma takes forever to get over
I can imagine lol
glacial delta
no ksp or kai is dating sinatraa's ex
true hound
I thought they had been broken up for a while?
well yea no shit im just saying in general
little tusk
I'm sure she wanted to be in a right state of mind before going public
quartz cairn
I can imagine lol
yea, i just hope shes doing better
little tusk
u don't wanna press charges or do anything for that matter if ur still an emotional wreck
tight hill
Do gamers just go after the same girls?
karmic grotto
or girls for the gamers
tight hill
I guess
quartz cairn
Do gamers just go after the same girls?
i guess the teams are in LA and stuff
weak bolt
It's likely taken her time to build up the courage, and to also realise that Sinatraa's actions were not normal, which has probably been proven to her if Kai trets her right
quartz cairn
so theyre probs more likely to go for people in their area
little tusk
isn't fran lesbian
karmic grotto
LOL
glacial delta
isn't fran lesbian
no she ws dating danteh until last year, the lesbian thing was a joke where she was dating eskay
karmic grotto
there was some noobhunter episode about it
tight hill
That was fake
raw ermine
fran is bi I think
weak bolt
worn falcon
Twitter
tight hill
Oh shit didn’t think about that
worn falcon
geeeeez
karmic grotto
drama time before owl
worn falcon
one fifth is miserable
little tusk
lmao
quartz cairn
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1369733666293739520
lol imagine they refund it
little tusk
yeah good question wtf is gonna happen to the skin
weak bolt
tight hill
?
little tusk
u spport this one kid and then he does this
quartz cairn
ima be honest
glacial delta
lol imagine they refund it
I doubt it, people were calling for the removal of police brig during blm but they didnt
quartz cairn
if you blame the game / the organizations for the bad choices of one person
ur kinda stupid
they had no control over his private life
weak bolt
police brig wasn't dedicated as a skin for 1 specific individual though
quartz cairn
and no idea wtf he was doing
weak bolt
Alien Zarya was literally "This is Sinatraa's MVP skin"
quartz cairn
I doubt it, people were calling for the removal of police brig during blm but th...
the skin itself didnt refer to the police officers who started tho
little tusk
ofc u can't but it's still shitty pr
tight hill
They removed the Mcree nuce
quartz cairn
alien zarya is dedicated to one person
and one person only
and we know what happened
earnest leaf
Sucks since that skin is the only good zarya skin
glacial delta
Sucks since that skin is the only good zarya skin
true
quartz cairn
maybe theyll let shock make one?
weak bolt
Imo they should replace it, and grant whoever bought it the new Shock hog skin, or the Fleta one when it comes out
digital cloud
hey, the Chinese new year one is good
quartz cairn
Imo they should replace it, and grant whoever bought it the new Shock hog skin, ...
ngl thats a good idea
worn falcon
the dragon zarya is good
quartz cairn
i'd say remove it and everyone who bought it gets a refund on their tokens
so they can buy the hog skin
forest raven
super maybe @true hound
tight hill
I don’t know what angle halo is taking for that take, is he saying that blizzard should do it for Pr or just he thinks that’s the right thing?
glacial delta
who was runner up for s2 mvp
probably haksal
bright cypress
I think they should refund and add all the skins for purchase for a limited time
worn falcon
give it to viol2t
true hound
haksal genji skin 🙏
weak bolt
They won't make a whole new skin now, that shit takes months
earnest leaf
Super was runner up iirc for mvp
true hound
haksal kind of a dick too but like xd
earnest leaf
Twilight was also a popular mvp candidate
tight hill
Even though super was better that season IMO
glacial delta
I don’t know what angle halo is taking for that take, is he saying that blizzard...
pr, people have already just assumed sinatraa did it so I doubt them keeping it will be good for them
tight hill
Ok, I thought he was saying they should remove it just because he got accused
weak bolt
Better to get rid of it, and grant those people who bought it the next mvp skin, or the shock S3 champ one. But it;s Blizzard, who knows
weak bolt
Match MVP doesn't mean a lot though. If you're a great player on a shit team who carries, you can get mvp
tight hill
What the amount of game mvps?
raw ermine
absolute god
quartz cairn
Match MVP doesn't mean a lot though. If you're a great player on a shit team who...
if u get it alot
then it means ur very consistent
👀
trail perch
They won't make a whole new skin now, that shit takes months
It does not take months to make a new skin
LOl
They make 6 or more for ever new event
quartz cairn
if they rush it, it could probs be out within the next few weeks
but i doubt they will
glacial delta
It does not take months to make a new skin
most owl skins come out monts after the season ends, they need to do it with the player as well so it will be hard
worn falcon
DDing 2019 was...sombra right?
raw ermine
haksal got MVP once?
quartz cairn
OWL ones are specialized
weak bolt
The MVP ones take them months to get released, the time between Sinatraa being shown his, and it atually coming out was months
raw ermine
dding was pharah
quartz cairn
so they gotta get with the player to do it
little tusk
I dont even know who DDing is wtf
raw ermine
and a bit of sombra
quartz cairn
I dont even know who DDing is wtf
shanghai dragons player
little tusk
Decay tho 👀
quartz cairn
dps i think
glacial delta
I dont even know who DDing is wtf
played for shanghai
tight hill
Janus 
worn falcon
i remember him being nuts with sombra
trail perch
and a little bit of echo this year
worn falcon
almost to the end of season
karmic grotto
dva players lay oharah
little tusk
was this back when shanghai was shit
tight hill
DDing is like the niches of niches
mortal abyss
probably haksal
Haksal wasn't a candidate for s2
trail perch
He was rookie of the year
tight hill
That’s criminal
glacial delta
Haksal wasn't a candidate for s2
oh, my B
worn falcon
Give it to Decay then
mortal abyss
It was twilight and jjanu for titans
glacial delta
since was a Zarya skin
then give it to seominsoo since his team was runner up in s2 and he played zarya
weak bolt
They wont give anything for S2 now. I doubt anybody would want it either. "I was the S2 MVP because the original one was a horrific human"
mortal abyss
I heavily doubt they'd give that skin to someone else, they'll probably just get rid of it and give everyone a refund
cedar oasis
why would they get rid of the skin
trail perch
Cut ties with him
tight hill
Pr
cedar oasis
no
weak bolt
Because of the allegations and PR around it
trail perch
Distance themselves from him
cedar oasis
80 percent of people wont ever find out about sinatraa
weak bolt
It's literally a skin dedicated to him, would you want that to remain in your game? not sure.
raw ermine
I would give everyone the oppurtunity to refund the skin
trail perch
The people who bought the skin prob know about him
The people who watch owl prob know
cedar oasis
no
worn falcon
Because PR stuff, 2 things: you deal with a massive whine and bad rep from community and other orgs OR you just delete that and dont deal
just refund
tight hill
I didn’t buy it so I kinda want them to remove it for selfish reasons
cedar oasis
he left owl most ow people probably stoped following him
raw ermine
I have it and use it
trail perch
But owl teams are tweeting about it
trail perch
Washington, prob the shock in the future
weak bolt
S2 was also the longest season by a long way. Wasn't it like 40 normal matches + tourneys/playoffs
glacial delta
I wish they brought back the old OWL skins like JJ's zen skin or shock doomfist
weak bolt
Ah ok, S2 when including stages was probably near as long I'd think overall
glacial delta
Shock doomfist is like lowkey another sinatraa skin
shhhh, dont let anyone know
trail perch
But the Jjonak skin is SICK
Whenever I see it in my games I get hype
Or whenever the fleta genji tracer or echo skin comes out
glacial delta
yeah
trail perch
Im going to be hype asf
earnest leaf
gonna be echo
trail perch
I lowkey think genji
forest raven
fleta's skin is echo yeah
worn falcon
season 3
forest raven
he said it's echo
trail perch
even tho they lost summer showdown
cedar oasis
its actualy fleta widow
tight hill
Transparent echo skin
worn falcon
season 4 rn
worn falcon
from 114 korean players to 93
glacial delta
a widow skin would have been cool for fleta
tight hill
More Chinese players then
worn falcon
and china gonna grow up whem Valiant releases his roster
trail perch
Ok but like is valiant actually goes in on t1w
They might actually be good
Or if Diya is trolling the shit out of us and joins
weak bolt
the rumoured valiant roster so far looks like a temporary stop gap until S5
forest raven
valiant 
trail perch
i mean Mmonk
tight hill
Shanghai s1 part 2
trail perch
Is on the market
weak bolt
Isnt one of the rumoured players meant to be a super toxic/childish streamer too?
weak bolt
That's their top 6 commitments to their fans
tight hill
Crystal
little tusk
yeah Diya should be on valiant
weak bolt
Diya has to give up his streaming contract to join LAV from the rumours, and not sure if it is worth it
tight hill
Honestly it’s just so weird to get an allegation against sinnatra of all people
little tusk
how many viewers does he have
karmic grotto
baolongxin
little tusk
what's "a lot"?
karmic grotto
lol
weak bolt
Probably enough to make more than a minimum contract LAV salary
raw ermine
whya
weak bolt
He was like a benched support for GZC
raw ermine
yeah
weak bolt
Mid April ish
quartz cairn
alright ty ty
raw ermine
I thought it was the 8th?
craggy sandal
It’s the 16th
weak bolt
I'm waiting for the EloHell vs Uber drama to really get juicy
tight hill
Because EloHell is at the same stature as contenders/path to pro
I don’t think they should be payed a fifth of what their getting but it’s still not that far off
weak bolt
It's not a good prospect for an esport when companies start trying to scrimp and save on the production values, in this case casters
trail perch
He was like a benched support for GZC
He was rly good in contendies
But he was permabenched by shu
So no surprise there
quartz cairn
i dont watch contenders, i just leave it on for the skins
but is it worht watching
sometimes ill literally turn it on and go watch some guy's stream 
quartz cairn
dang the only thing on when im up is NA and EU
KR and CH is like 5-7 am for me i think
wait lemme see
ranges from 2 AM to 10 AM
not too bad.
sly fog
Im glad BenBest found a team at least
glacial delta
dang what team was he on before
paris
worn falcon
Twitter
forest raven
digital cloud
Wonder if this is pr speak or if they think this was likely true and didn’t say shit about him when he left
dawn rune
jokes about this situation are not appropriate or welcome
(referring to a now deleted message)
next mesa
disowned lmaoo
plush grail
aahh sorry for that
just wanted to kinda highlight how fucked the responses are on the sentinel tweet
dawn rune
it's alright, the responses to this are disgusting and because of its sensitive nature it's probably best to not give those gross comments any acknowledgement
plush grail
really hope sinatraa gets what he deserves
and possibly legal trouble
and can't wait for the like 20th apology tweet from dafran
mortal abyss
I dont think she'll press charges
plush grail
pretty sure she could tho right
mortal abyss
Yeah
tropic herald
She has the right to, but she also recognized the sad state of the justice system so she’s at least getting the minimum done by letting everyone know who he is
little tusk
Wonder if this is pr speak or if they think this was likely true and didn’t say ...
I mean it's pr obv
every company's statement regarding this is pr
it's a company cmon
mortal abyss
It would be extremely stressful and would force her to relive bad memories
quartz cairn
plus its very costly
the end might not be worth it if all he gets is a slap on the wrist
and she ends up paying huge amounts of money for it
clear crane
She def got some degree of closure airing it out
little tusk
still idk
I feel like then you're just accusing someone right
guess sinatraa could just go for an apology if she doesn't take legal action
quartz cairn
well i mean, she might find an apology or just having people know what hes really like
the better thing
some people solve thngs and find peace other ways
one person might want them in jail, the other just wants an apology
depends on the person i guess
i think she just wants to let people know what kind of person he is
little tusk
yeah
rose chasm
also with these kinda things very often the accused gets off with nothing
and he has more resources for lawyers and stuff than her
raw ermine
the crime might be so severe that charges MUST be pressed
little tusk
what do u mean must be pressed
rose chasm
it’s really sad that whenever these things happen I see how bad gaming community at large is
little tusk
u mean in terms of the responses?
little tusk
honestly man it's because gamers are kids and usually not very social
sure you have ur babybay's here and there but most gamers are kinda nerds
karmic grotto
You guys still talking about this? Damn
rose chasm
yeah it’s definitely that
weak bolt
too easy for people to hide behind keyboards and have horrific moral decisions
little tusk
ngl I've probably had a little "fuck girls" period in my life as well
weak bolt
Twitter is a cesspool for it on any of those threads, not worth reading
little tusk
I'm not dumb enough to fuckin post about it on social media tho
rose chasm
I mean when I was like 12 I felt like these idiots sometimes but I would never post about it or harass victims like them
raw ermine
what do u mean must be pressed
the crime is so severe that the state mandates charges must be laid
not sure if it applies here
It could
little tusk
idk anything about that
little tusk
I mean when I was like 12 I felt like these idiots sometimes but I would never p...
ya same
quartz cairn
the crime is so severe that the state mandates charges must be laid
they do that?
weak bolt
Usually in these cases it doesn't turn into a legal dispute. Victims usually also dont want to drag it on longer, as it could last months/years
little tusk
I don't think the crime here is severe enough for smth like that to happen
I'm not sure people in general will think of this is as a severe crime tbh
rose chasm
there aren’t good laws for this type of abuse
weak bolt
Legal system is awful for this kind of thing unfortunately
little tusk
Might be a generational thing
I know for sure if I told my dad about this he'd not take it serious at all
weak bolt
It's an evidence thing, it's hard to fully prove overall
Becomes a he said vs she said kind of argument
rose chasm
this has quite a bit of evidence though
still would be difficult to prove in court I respect her decision to not
weak bolt
Probably not to secure a proper legal claim vs a good lawyer
Especially as he can most likely afford far more than she can
little tusk
honestly the evidence is kinda shit
weak bolt
I just hope the org investigations are done properly. A lot of them just talk to the offender and never the victim
little tusk
Both people in a relationship have consensual sex but right before the end she isn't feeling and it gives half-hearted no's
if u wanna put a twist on it for sinatraa's side
if he presents it like that I'm not sure what else she could say
the text messages aren't gonna legally do anything for her either they just show sinatraa as an insecure person
forest raven
Pro tip
little tusk
Now idk a lot about law
rose chasm
yeah this isn’t difficult or blurry
weak bolt
I doubt she wants to take it legal anyway. You don't post it all on twitter if you're pursuing that course of action
rose chasm
she said no
rose chasm
An argument of “she only kinda said no” is not good
little tusk
I'm just trying to give examples as to how sinatraa could defend himself here
weak bolt
If he's smart, he doesn't even try defend himself against it, and owns up to it imo.
tropic herald
Hey! This is a dead horse and you guys are really beating it, this is also #esports-discussion so I’d rather not have this conversation here anymore let’s stop talking about this whole story any more IN REFERENCE TO SINATRAA
forest raven
sorry empathy but people don't understand what consent is
weak bolt
Would be a good time for Valiant to drop their roster announcement, sneak it in quietly
little tusk
I think they did actually
forest raven
and also people will talk about an MVP player being a horrific human being for more than a couple hours
little tusk
also dude I'm sure ppl here know what consent is lol
karmic grotto
Yeah, this has been going on for a few hours....
So about owl, they gotta step up their casters program
Or find a way to compensate
Blizzard ain't poor, it's something we know
Activision*
weak bolt
Looks like casters have just been so desperate to try break into the scene they're undercutting each other and rates have dropped
and Blizz are just profiting on cheap labour rather than actual talent
karmic grotto
The competitive is getting an unhealthy relationship
Side*
Not a good thing if you want to grow
weak bolt
By looks of twitter today, none of the EU contenders casters earn anything at all for their work
karmic grotto
Contenders is path to pro, so they should be paid for their work
But not getting paid? Or barely paid?
Might as well not cast
Might as well become streamer
weak bolt
Twitter
karmic grotto
Alright, but, what's in their contract?
Are the orgs obligated to pay them or did they talk about something else
weak bolt
You'd assume Blizz is obliged to pay them something, but who knows
Viscious circle, as no money invested into T2 makes T2 scene worse, and then nobody watches in it which means even less money earnt
karmic grotto
I think Korea and China should stay available
Fuck it. At this point, Asian only OWL
There's no point in this
weak bolt
By sounds of it, production for Korean/Chinese contenders has been effectively sold to EloHell, and they are the ones paying casters 66% less than the current casters
HOTS had a very similar path. They stopped investing in good production, people stopped watching, and it all went to shit
karmic grotto
They kind of want to make the last profit out of the owl contracts
Imagine being Carpe, signed until, 2022?
And then owl flops
weak bolt
If they were sensible, they'd scrap the T2 system in current form entirely in prep for OW2 and bring it back with investment.
weak bolt
yep, and a way to feed it all into some form of a league structure
karmic grotto
I've always criticised blizzard for that
wooden ore
lets go dafrann
mortal abyss
I hope Uber doesn’t leave owl
mortal abyss
That would be the biggest fuck up ever from blizzard
weak bolt
Only way i see Uber leaving is if OWL tell him to stfu on twitter and he says no
karmic grotto
What if you could watch highlights from pro players in game while you wait for your match. Or watching live owl while you wait in queue
Or any other information about pro players
mortal abyss
What if you could watch highlights from pro players in game while you wait for y...
That last one would be sooo good
Idk why they haven’t done it yet
weak bolt
At least putting video highlights onto the mainscreens could be cool, but might be limitations on bandwidth etc.
mortal abyss
Putting a live feed or YouTube embed of owl into the client shouldn’t be hard
karmic grotto
Live feed would work better
Jesus, I think they're not smart
They can do so much with the live in game client
karmic grotto
Improve it to have it a kind of twitch style livestream with emotes and stuff
They can do it
raw ermine
oh ffs are you fucking kidding me
karmic grotto
And then you buy sprays from your favorite team
quartz cairn
oh ffs are you fucking kidding me
wtf did mcgravy do
plush grail
How can you make new heroes and shit but not be able to make a clan system
Clash of clans > overwatch ig
karmic grotto
No idea
rose chasm
he’s been supporting the victim on Twitter
weak bolt
Mcgravy posted support for Cleo
karmic grotto
They've been ignoring fundamentals of Overwatch
raw ermine
to do w/ sinatraa
weak bolt
So if he's getting deaththreats, god knows what she's getting 😐
plush grail
They've been ignoring fundamentals of Overwatch
Just doing tons of unnecessary shit tbh
karmic grotto
Clash of clans > overwatch ig
The worst thing of all
weak bolt
Twitter is a toxic cesspool, but lets not get back on that subject
karmic grotto
People made their own Widow headshot ranked
rose chasm
I don’t think clans really necessary 🤔
karmic grotto
Cause there is no possibility of having an official one
rose chasm
wouldn’t personally use them
weak bolt
I do wonder if they plan to make any of the PVE elements of OW2 competitive
mortal abyss
How would a clan system in ow work? Interested in yg’s thoughts
plush grail
Blizzard needs to listen more to the community
And get rid of mystery heroes and half of the arcade shit
rose chasm
maybe ranks with scores like in the limited modes
weak bolt
Speedruns of OW2 PVE maps that you could watch/compete against etc.
plush grail
Add some actually fun gamemodes
weak bolt
"Can you run this map quicker than the Shock did?"
karmic grotto
Ah
weak bolt
If they make the PVE element of OW2 really popular, I could see a way to get OWL made more open to people via that
karmic grotto
A challenge
But it be a good challenge
Would be nice to give challenges to clan to inspire them to work together and improve
plush grail
Goats moba
GOATS and maybe a widow only gamemodes is already way better than all of the garbage we have in the arcade rn
weak bolt
Can you beat 6 overwatch league pros speedrun... Learn more about the players etc. etc.
karmic grotto
Can you beat 6 overwatch league pros speedrun... Learn more about the players et...
Exactly
That's how they should do it
You will get a bigger audience wthat will be interested in the game
It could be fun for mid tier elo
weak bolt
Just have to make sure the PVE side is fun enough you can get some Pro's into it
little tusk
sheesh poor mcgravy
little tusk
social media kinda cancer
weak bolt
The YAB roster for 2021 is pretty sweet honestly
karmic grotto
You know what I was thinking as a possibility for coaches
You know that software where you can draw on top of a video as example? I don't remember the name for it
What if you as a coach, had the possibility to use that while live reviewing a VOD in game?
Would it be technically possible?
weak bolt
Maybe
I'd almost rather see them get OWL pros doing videos on hero tips. Like Karq's top tips, but in the client
karmic grotto
Maybe even a live positioning guide until a certain elo?
weak bolt
"Super's top 5 tips on Rein" Available to watch in queue, with highlights etc.
rose chasm
wouldn’t really want that unless they want to themselves
I’m sure plenty of content creators will do it voluntarily
hopefully game gets as big again as it did in 2016
weak bolt
I'm sure if they could plug their youtubes as part of it, they'd do it
weak bolt
yeah
rose chasm
I was thinking posted on like overwatchs YouTube
weak bolt
Sitting in queue, watch a video by Danteh on how to improve your echo.
Queue for tank, get a video of the top 5 tank plays of last weeks OWL
rose chasm
a general highlights thing under the owl tab would be dope actually
karmic grotto
It would give a sense of purpose to players
rose chasm
nba 2k does things like that p sure
karmic grotto
And a small goal for the upcoming match
rose chasm
don’t play it anymore but there used to be like votes on the best play of the week you could do
karmic grotto
so much potential
As someone has said to me, they don't listen much to community
Pros they do
But ordinary people? Nah
We also have graat ideas
If OW would be a bit open source, in sense of we can make our own server inside OW game....
rose chasm
yeah there are like 5 things within the past 5 years I can think of were community ideas
forest raven
https://twitter.com/YaB_OW/status/1369724744208154632?s=19
best roster reveal video of all time
digital cloud
not bad
true hound
poggin
digital cloud
who put the bee in his bonnet? they are right that he could be trying to talk about it instead of talking shit about them on twitter
limber pine
Unpopular opinion: you are 100% correct.
digital cloud
I don't really know more than what is presented here though, tbf I guess
just that what is presented seems . . . like what the guy he is talking to is saying
I suppose I can reserve judgement, idk
the initial impression I get though is different than I would be expecting from Uber
I suppose I could check the thread or whatever, but tbh the thing that will not be mentioned has got me tired
sullen berry
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rDWFns0K0ec&feature=youtu.be
https://twitter.com/WarriorsESC/status/1369519503831232514 good T2 roster reveal from a low-tier teams in AU
sullen berry
how many viewers does he have
Don't know how many on average, but for reference he last streamed to 235k viewers
tight hill
So what did defran say that has got everyone on edge today?
tropic herald
Twitter
quartz cairn
So what did defran say that has got everyone on edge today?
he said the girl that came forward could be another egirl chasing clout
which i dont even need to explain why thats bad
tight hill
Oh ok that sounds like a good way to start a Twitter riot
raw ermine
lol
raw ermine
shredlock confused af
quartz cairn
Twitter
heres the thing btw
had to find it
i agree with the first sentence, the rest i dont tho
tropic herald
Ok I said this earlier but I will say it again, this conversation does not need to take place here
Take it to dms or off the server please
quartz cairn
okie dokie
digital cloud
could you pin the message then?
tight hill
Ok I said this earlier but I will say it again, this conversation does not need ...
Sorry I did not realize this
digital cloud
not sure everyone will scroll up and see
raw ermine
here pin this:
raw ermine
Please do not discuss the Sinatraa situation in this chat
digital cloud
yeah, specifying what not to talk about would probably be hlpful
raw ermine
Idk if people will know what exactly that refers to tho
hardly anyone clicks the "jump" button on pins
tropic herald
Just until it calms down 👍 it is not productive to talk about it here
tropic herald
That guy just disappeared
tight hill
Au contenders is dead
true hound
@forest raven is ur pfp from the movie Arrival
forest raven
yes
true hound
love that movie
forest raven
it's my fav movie of all time 
👍
raw ermine
Isn't that the alien language movie?
forest raven
Isn't that the alien language movie?
yes
forest raven
obliterated from orbit
raw ermine
this is exactly what I thought they should do, but better
removing the badges and stuff
gaunt acorn
good move from blizzard
tight hill
Of course supers discord is wanting a rien skin in replacement
Like that shit grows on trees
gaunt acorn
i'm sure there won't be any retroactive replacement mvp skin
but at least people can get a refund to purchase the upcoming fleta skin
raw ermine
just disassociate it w/ sinatraa
gaunt acorn
yep
bright idol
https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1369827584955977729?s=21
what does alien skin to do with sinatraa, does the skin have his name on it?
forest raven
it's his mvp skin
tight axle
It's his skin. The mvp skin
jolly pecan
He helped design it
bright idol
oh damn
raw ermine
they made it for him
bright idol
havnt collecting skin for a while so not sure how it looks
raw ermine
they make one for every MVP
bright idol
i see
bright idol
can i see pic of it?
tight axle
Wait we can't talk about this right or does this not count?
bright idol
i know its lazy to ask for one, sry
jolly pecan
it seems like itd be really hard to disassociate it from him. Its literally based on his "catchphrase"
gaunt acorn
Wait we can't talk about this right or does this not count?
what do you mean? it's permissable here
jolly pecan
We're talking about overwatch man
bright idol
hmmm
gaunt acorn
it seems like itd be really hard to disassociate it from him. Its literally base...
they will be making it a regular legendary skin, from the sounds of things
removing all the owl/sinatraa-associated markings on it
rose chasm
yeah it’s by far best zarya skin
gaunt acorn
i think it's for the best
rose chasm
wish they’d make good ones for her more often
jolly pecan
I guess that's all they can do right?
gaunt acorn
yeah it’s by far best zarya skin
disagree personally but
jolly pecan
Unless they wanted to just delete the skin permanently
rose chasm
I dislike most zarya skins
gaunt acorn
I guess that's all they can do right?
pretty much, it would be a mistake to remove the skin entirely
bright idol
so Sinatraa is making money from every purchase of the skin?
gaunt acorn
some people would want to keep it, no doubt
gaunt acorn
so Sinatraa is making money from every purchase of the skin?
no
it was simply a skin in honour of him
there was no profit sharing or anything of the sort
jolly pecan
Rascal should have been mvp anyways
raw ermine
its still in the game
bright idol
but removed from further purchase, yes?
forest raven
ye
next mesa
ok then
rose chasm
well you haven’t been able to purchase it for like a year
or 2
mvp skins are locked right
bright idol
idk my game uninstalled long time ago
gaunt acorn
but removed from further purchase, yes?
it hasn't been purchasable for over a year
bright idol
I see
gaunt acorn
the mvp/champion skins are limited-time only
bright idol
I only watch streamers now, not playing the game for long time
raw ermine
jeez man
what a day for OW esports
sinatraa, EHE messing up, contenders starting soon
bright idol
also dafran...
raw ermine
yeah, but that was linked to sinatraa
sly fog
Whats the story with EHE. with all the sinatraa news I must’ve missed it
gaunt acorn
EHE exploiting volunteers, severely underpaying casting talent
raw ermine
they were underpaying casters
bright idol
i knew dafran sometimes making stupid comment which meant to be funny but this time he's gone way too much
gaunt acorn
undercutting other casters in the market by something ridiculous like 66%
raw ermine
and due to that, AVRL got dropped from contenders KR broadcast
jolly pecan
EHE is still run by jayne right?
sly fog
Avrl is a good caster he definitely deserved better
raw ermine
jayne left
jolly pecan
Oh darn I can't meme about inventing esports.
rose chasm
yeah dafran wasn’t someone I expected to have like good judgment but it was still disappointing
bright idol
he even bitching about people with education being stupid
sly fog
Yea dafran had some smooth brain takes he probably should’ve kept quiet
bright idol
maybe he's a good friend of sinatraa
he said during his stream that he don't mind ruin his reputation defending sinatraa
gaunt acorn
maybe he's a good friend of sinatraa
he is, they were teammates many years ago
bright idol
atlanta reign?
gaunt acorn
selfless gaming
quartz cairn
removing the badges and stuff
what are the badges?
trail perch
MVP and Championship
mental vine
Wait does that mean that anyone who bought the Alien Zarya skin will get a 200 OWL token refund?
if so that means a free Championship hog skin
earnest leaf
You can request a refund for the skin and get a 200 token thingy
and then the skin will be taken off your account
narrow wyvern
trail perch
yeah
craggy sandal
Yes but it won’t have the mvp or championship badge on it
mental vine
mvp badge or championship badge idc about them
i just love the design
welp guess im gonna keep the skin
dunno if the "patch" for offering a refund will be the exact time midas roadhog skin will come out
cuz the alien zarya removal offer patch will probably be later than that
true hound
quartz cairn
MVP and Championship
wait can i see them
quartz cairn
no like
what do they look lik
idk what this badge looks like
is it like a player icon or spray
trail perch
idk google the skin, its just like on it
I personally dont have it bc I think sinatraa overrated af and didnt deserve MVP
(jjanu all the way)
glad yarrow
where is the badge found on the skin
https://www.dexerto.com/overwatch/overwatch-changing-sinatraa-mvp-skin-1531015/ sorry if you already got an answer, if you scroll down a bit it shows a picture of the badge
quartz cairn
oooh i see it now ty
tawdry hamlet
Inb4 the "how can you ruin this guy's life over a clout seeking e girl I won't believe anything until I see his side too" 
Cringe twitter
tawdry hamlet
Dafrans reactions to comments on his post
Dude sounds angry and unhinged, where da professionalism, I get that your bro was just outed but you don't need to say fuck you to every community member calling out your bad take lmao
balmy wolf
Can't help but feel bad for Sinatraa. Dude was just too h**ny
rose chasm
😐
sullen berry
i mean to be fair, you are new to esports
magic pagoda
both sinatraa and dafran were known to be toxic shitheads
now sinatraa is also known to be a rapist too
tawdry hamlet
I still of course will hear his context but if your first instinct is she's lying and not damn I should support her maybe you are the problem 
Every individual case is different as well and no blanket statistic of "this many girls lied about it before" actually effects validity of an individual story
summer sage
ya the arguement and the evidence looks legit and she does explain everything in detail, i was a sinatraa fan and still am a shock fan but all of this has really changed my POV against sinatraa. I hope he works his problems out, he is still very young (disclaimer:his actions are still not justified).
summer sage
I really want to hear his side
same
sullen berry
where do I watch the contenders streams to get the bastion and rein skin
When the streams are live, watch it here https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/contenders/
sour cobalt
okie ty
sullen berry
make sure you have signed in and linked your Battle.Net account
summer sage
But is there a certain tab I watch them from
no just look out for the livestream on homepage
but do link ur battle net account
summer sage
no problem
gusty rampart
Twitter
sour cobalt
O
idle gorge
what'd he do tho
gaunt acorn
what'd he do tho
raped his ex-gf
idle gorge
oh
bright idol
Meanwhile dafran says people with education are stupid
idle gorge
dafran is just a god, i mean he gave up his job of a streamer/professional gamer to become a farmer i mean that basically says everything
forest raven
i hope that's sarcasm
idle gorge
wym?
forest raven
have you not seen what he's said since this started
rancid berry
i mean dafran is just a god ngl
idle gorge
nah, he was going to be farmer but he is streaming again, so did he give up on becomming farmer?
idle gorge
oh no i have no idea, what happened with dafran?
bright idol
Calling sex abuse victims e girl
forest raven
dafran is the same toxic asshole he was back when he started with selfless
idle gorge
is that cleo sinatraa's ex?
bright idol
Yes
forest raven
she is the one sinatraa raped, yes
idle gorge
draw i'm 16 ofc i like toxic fuckers on the internet
forest raven
there is a very big difference between someone who is toxic in a multiplayer and someone that blames rape victims for being raped
karmic grotto
I wonder whose idea it was to record the audio and video
idle gorge
well we'll have to wait it out still, same with nairo, he got out as the one being raped while people we're targetting him, because he allegedly fucked someone underage
bright idol
I thought Denmark is the wealthiest country with highest education average
idle gorge
i think switzerland is 1 in almost everything and denmark a good second
bright idol
But still
karmic grotto
When does Contenders start
idle gorge
idrk, i don't follow contenders
bright idol
Lucky dafran born in Denmark and play game as living
idle gorge
you know he has been wanting to drop that job for a long time to become a farmer right?
karmic grotto
He is a farmer
gaunt acorn
not pog for him, he's being dragged through the coals rn for saying stupid shit about a rape victim
i don't see how that's defensible just because he's edgy
gaunt acorn
how is that funny
he didn't even say it to be funny
he was defending his shitty friend
idle gorge
no not the statement about sinatraa but his streams are funny, his statement about sinatraa might be wrong but he'll admit it, just look at what happened with nairomk
gaunt acorn
we aren't talking about his stream
draw was talking about the tweet he made, and you blew it off as 'im 16 and dafran cool'
first of all there's evidence in cleo's tweet, i don't know if you bothered reading it or not
idle gorge
nononono, the tweet from him is supposed to be serious but the way he worded it comes over as being weird
gaunt acorn
but even in the wildest scenario that sinatraa was innocent
dafran's tweet is still dogshit
idle gorge
first of all there's evidence in cleo's tweet, i don't know if you bothered read...
nah i'll do that later i'll bookmark it
gaunt acorn
he could have simply said "let's wait for both sides of the story"
instead he wrote this weird incel-y shit about how 'e-girls' always do this and don't trust them
forest raven
victim blamed, referred to cleo as an egirl, and all women are out to get men
idle gorge
ye true
gaunt acorn
that's the reason he's being criticized
idle gorge
i mean dafran is right about the lets wait untill the full story, but the egirl part is completely unnessecary
i mean i ofc keep talking about nairo, but if you don't know search it up, there's this whole story about it
gaunt acorn
right, but they're different situations
in this case we already have proof attached to her post
sure it's not the whole story, but it's enough to cast judgement (for me)
earnest leaf
Dafran didn't make a bad point, just worded it in the absolute worst way possible, and went full monkey brain and insulted people