I was just thinking about the paris playoffs run
#esports-discussion
trail perch
Imagine if they ran Sparkle Hanbin Hog Zarya
And Xzi Soon hanzo WIdow
With FD and Fielder ana mercy
They would have gotten quite far
If they figured out the meta or smth close to it
I think they would have made top 4
And maybe Flown Smex to SK and played the full on meta
But just thinking about Xzi hanzo Soon Widow gives me goosbumps
topaz ridge
idk if smex would be a good idea
they never played with him and probably never scrimmed
and idk if hes still recovering from surgery; maybe considering what it sounded like
raw ermine
he plays OW on stream, but I doubt he still plays professionally
summer thunder
been away from the game for a while what does the pro meta look like?
tight hill
Hog and ball torture
forest raven
yep
digital cloud
reading the thing, but so far looks like he said/she said
is there a section where there is witnesses/corroboration of screenshot type stuff?
forest raven
there are numerous screenshots and an audio clip
true hound
yea
forest raven
it's always surprising but, sinatraa doing this doesn't exactly blow me away
balmy wolf
same here
next mesa
Lowkey yeah
digital cloud
I doubt anything comes of it, but we'll see I guess
pliant void
Isn’t like sinatraa known for his toxicity in video games
digital cloud
toxicity != sexual assaulter
tawdry hamlet
Also valiant allegedly signing Krystal is cringe 
pliant void
That’s not what I meant but like he doesn’t relly have a good personality
tawdry hamlet
Krystal sux
paper totem
Who r the best contender teams rn. I just started watching them bc no owl rn
tawdry hamlet
American Tornado
the rest idk because a lot of people got promoted and rosters changed
but American Tornado looks relatively similar and they plowed ass in gauntlet
jaunty bear
im not gonna take sides until we have a definitive response to this thing
ive seen too much cases of accusations going nowhere
autumn verge
idk the evidence is strong enough (esp audio clip) I think the burden of proof is on sinatraa
she provided proof on her end, that isn't he said she said
autumn verge
to be fair, if it is 100% legit, he deserves it
autumn verge
while I am not 100% on any side at this point, w/ the evidence she provided, I lean against sinatraa and hope this gets properly settled
it's actually kinda disturbing to me how many people didn't read it and blindly sided with sinatraa after that I've seen
they don't even know the audio clip is in there, bc they did not look
and just believed the face value of her lying for attention, which actually is probs a big part of why women DON'T come out about this
sonic crypt
:monkaOWTF:
balmy wolf
Is Sinatraa f*cked? Is his career over?
Will Blizzard permanently remove the Zarya skin from everyone's account?
wicked patio
they prob wont do that
slow lodge
Fuck Sinatraa
tribal flint
all my homies hate Sinatraa
mortal abyss
Is this why blizz don’t use players actual gamertags for mvp skins
balmy wolf
Can't help but feel for the bloke. Looks like his career is done.
vagrant cargo
good
sour cobalt
I need to know what time contenders is in
What timezone is the contenders schedule in
I need the bastion skin
tropic herald
Oh nooooo we have to give a mvp skin to Choi or Jjanu instead
What a pain
Sarcasm
Fuck Sinatraa
clear crane
It’s kinda sad that something like this probably isn’t even a surprise given sinatraa’s known history...
plush light
The sinatraa discord is just gone. Like he deleted all the channels
cedar oasis
F
raw ermine
Oh jeez
Y'all ready for 'Sentinels have terminate the contract of Jay "sinatraa" Won'
Terminated*
CANCELLED
plush light
Sinatraa will always be one of my favorite PLAYERS, even if he is a SH!T PERSON.
raw ermine
Twitter
plush light
Dafran doesn't want it to be true because he is friends with sinatraa
raw ermine
Who would conspire to make fake texts, and record fake audio clips of abuse?
yeah
they were the selfless dps duo
he also calls her an Egirl
for no reason
plush light
It's just denial before accepting it, because he wants to believe sinatraa isn't a sh!t person
quartz cairn
sinatraa and dafran were friends werent they
i dont blame dafran for not wanting it to be true, hes probably upset and confused right now
but if it happens to be true i thiink its gonna probably have its effects on his former friends + OWL / Valorant pro scene
we probably need to wait for some more news from sinatraa or another person thats not his ex
next mesa
super
quartz cairn
i feel like OWL people probs wont say much until more info comes out
but ppl like mcgravy have alrdy spoken a bit on it so idk
maybe streamers will
true hound
i dont blame dafran for not wanting it to be true, hes probably upset and confus...
yea but he didn’t have to say
“crazy bitches”
“e-girls”
quartz cairn
i dont agree with thoes things but ill be honest
people are just how they are in the internet and u cant change it
i think dafrans pretty toxic and just says whatever tf without thinking sometimes
i think he'll accept the truth if it comes out though
but theres no need to call girls 'egirls' or 'crazy bitches'
true hound
Dafran brainlagging hard
tawdry hamlet
The audio recording is 
kind ridge
yeah but wait for sinatraa's side of the story berfore we pick sides
tawdry hamlet
Idk the audio is pretty convincing
quartz cairn
imo theres like almost nothing that can justify what happened in the audio but he shoudl still say his side
i dont wanna pick sides until both sides have put forward their fair share
but its looking very bad for sinatraa rn
balmy wolf
xepher > choihyobin
clear crane
maybe current sinatraa has changed, but old sinatraa, this isn't a shock (no pun intended) to anyone who has followed him since day 1
plush light
maybe current sinatraa has changed, but old sinatraa, this isn't a shock (no pun...
Agreed
spare scroll
yo did sinatraa respond?
paper totem
maybe current sinatraa has changed, but old sinatraa, this isn't a shock (no pun...
Also agree, but with all the evidence I wouldn’t be surprised if he was taken off the sentinels
clear crane
Sentinels need to drop him to save image. no doubt
paper totem
I’m a huge in Sinatra fan and this sucks but I can’t deny the raw evidence his ex posted
clear crane
https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1369037788289581062 The replies on this tweet... oof
spare scroll
i dont think he is gonna be dropped so easily. he hasnt even responded yet
paper totem
In this sort of situation they almost always drop them to save their image. We will need to wait and see
clear crane
maybe not immediate drop, but at least benched till resolved
paper totem
Probs
clear crane
if he plays friday. oh boi
spare scroll
maybe not immediate drop, but at least benched till resolved
most prolly
cuz this isnt a small issue where the only things that matter are community feelings. its serious and needs legal proceedings imo
he will be benched most prolly
paper totem
U guys think he will be removed from twitch?
spare scroll
U guys think he will be removed from twitch?
lol twitch doesnt give a fok about serious stuff. only thing it cares is if someone said n word
spare scroll
I never knew the reason he was taken off
nobody knew
idk why, but i want the accusations to be proven false
paper totem
Same, like I said I’m biased towards Sinatra. I watch his videos daily but I can’t discount the evidence
I’m gonna wait to hear both sides
noble folio
i think most of us want the accusations to be false or proven false but its most likely not gonna happen given the evidence his ex put out
true hound
the evidence is p big
noble folio
yeah
sour cobalt
https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/contenders/schedule?tab=north_america
I know I need the timezone
vagrant cargo
Sinatraa will always be one of my favorite PLAYERS, even if he is a SH!T PERSON.
Yikes
spare scroll
i think most of us want the accusations to be false or proven false but its most...
yep. really came to me as a shock. eager to know his response
quartz cairn
I know I need the timezone
its in ur timezone
srcoll to the bottom it'll say in your local time
but look out for EU and NA games
EU games start at like 2 PM EST i think?
sour cobalt
k
karmic grotto
8th?
sour cobalt
ty
vagrant cargo
Idk i wouldnt consider a sex abuser one of my fav players ever but im not u
spare scroll
if sinatraa came forward and apologised instead of denying, do you guys think he would maintain a part of his community?
sour cobalt
I'm gonna watch it becuase I need the bastion skin
quartz cairn
What?
ngl i loved ryujehong as a player but when he showed himself then i pretty much lost who i supported on seoul dynasty
quartz cairn
a player's actions and personality will drive me away from their actual skills
if they do somethig like that
its just basic respect
paper totem
if sinatraa came forward and apologised instead of denying, do you guys think he...
Him coming forward and apologizing would be better tbh. Unless he has a great defense bc there is so much against him
plush light
Idk i wouldnt consider a sex abuser one of my fav players ever but im not u
I'm saying that I still think he is an amazing player, his in game history doesn't change because he is a sh!t person.
clear crane
He was the best non korean S1 player
I think Eqo was the best non-korean player, or Space
clear crane
u can appreciate someone's skills but not the actual person itself. i get what NYX is saying
vagrant cargo
I'm saying that I still think he is an amazing player, his in game history doesn...
Thats not the same as saying he will always be one of ur FAVORITE players lol
quartz cairn
yea i understand if you appreciate someone's skills
their skill often stays the same and theyll still be very good
depending on the person, people choose who to support based off of stuff like personality / how they act towards others and in game skill
sometimes they put the two together, other times they keep it separated
spare scroll
Him coming forward and apologizing would be better tbh. Unless he has a great de...
i agree. he would lose a large chunk of his community, would probably get dropped but still, his streaming career wont be over
quartz cairn
which is fine since you should respect others opinions as long as it isnt hurtful or hateful imo
hateful'
plush light
Sinatraa discord is 100% gone
quartz cairn
did he delete it
spare scroll
Sinatraa discord is 100% gone
fr?
plush light
No channels or members at all
spare scroll
No channels or members at all
not a good sign imo
plush light
100% wiped
plush light
I left it like 30 minutes ago
quartz cairn
is sinatraa still in it?
true hound
if sinatraa came forward and apologised instead of denying, do you guys think he...
i would hope his community would ditch him
if all this is true how he gonna come back lol
quartz cairn
if its true i dont think coming back is his first concern
if its true and he gets caught hes got court and shit to be worried about
since he literally continued to put himself on a girl when she said to stop
spare scroll
if its true i dont think coming back is his first concern
indeed
spare scroll
only pepegas will keep supporting him
not if he confesses the guilt
plush light
Imagine being his parents right now
quartz cairn
lmao
his parents before be so supportive
rn he probs getting kicked out
well hopefully a message from him gets put out sooner or later
true hound
not if he confesses the guilt
rape and being mentally abusive isnt something u just forgive someone over
only pepegas
would keep supporting someone who did that
quartz cairn
not if he confesses the guilt
even if u confess
then that doesnt mean youre sorry
and will stop
spare scroll
true
quartz cairn
repeat offenders just say yea yea i did it sorry so they get less time and shit
go out and do it again
till they get like 20 yrs without parole
spare scroll
we have to see
plush light
It would take the biggest reform I have ever seen for me to think he is a good person again
quartz cairn
if his gf really waited a while to say something he probs fucked up something with her
definitely alot more than just assault going on
probably more mental harm than physical
spare scroll
he has to respond fast lol. otherwise the theories will go haywire
plush light
This is worse than dream kazper or undead or mouffin
This is as bad as the geguri incident was (I'm not saying it's the same kind of thing, but is just as terrible)
quartz cairn
whos undead
ik dreamkazper/mouffin/geguri but not undead
i'd say mouffin and dreamkazper were worse than geguri's but it was def scary for geguri
spare scroll
man, shit never goes smooth in esports, neither valorant nor ow. esports is too much drama now
raw ermine
every sport has a drama, and every sport has person who does stupid stuff
quartz cairn
i feel bad for the companies and teams hurt by it tho
cause they obviously dont now 100% everything that happens
and they usually take a good hit when a player gets caught like this
raw ermine
Sentinels in valorant are gonna take a massive hit
raw ermine
boston had it twice
quartz cairn
the ones involved in geguri's scandal had trouble getting into team
raw ermine
and they did actually do worse s1 cause of it
quartz cairn
teams'
quartz cairn
and they did actually do worse s1 cause of it
yea and ppl stopped supporting them after each incident
raw ermine
while dream was a bad person, he was a good player, the gigaflex
quartz cairn
i dont blame them becuz they cant control everything tho
unless its clear that they knew what was happening / chose to ignore it or even supported it
then i dont blame the team or corporations in any way
sentinels def gonna be shit on when on social media after this tho
spare scroll
sentinels got nothing to do with this. you dont acquire a player in your roster knowing every private and public things they did previously xD. hate towards sentinels or sf shock is just stupid
plush grail
theyre probs gonna bench or remove him tho tbh
no way they bench him
if they bench sinatraa
thats brand suicide
he has to go
quartz cairn
i think its bestif they remove him first than if they bench and wait for more stuff
but i think rn they either will 1) remain silent until sinatraa's side comes out or 2) remove him completely as soon as possible
raw ermine
they'll probably do what boston did
quartz cairn
but tbh i dont think much on sinatraa's side can justify or explain wtf happened
quartz cairn
they'll probably do what boston did
waht did they do
raw ermine
bench him, and announce they're doing an investigation
and terminate him eventually after they confirm
or unbench if he's innocent
quartz cairn
i'd say that works
but alot of ppl wont like it imo
they just want him completely gone
which is understandable but imo u should see both sides and investigate fully
raw ermine
they have a big tournament tomorrow
quartz cairn
they do?
raw ermine
yeah
raw ermine
it strikes a balance between not kicking him without investigating, and not letting him play due to the allegations
plush grail
what do they even need to investigate
quartz cairn
if i were them i'd probs bench him and say im taking him out of so many games and stuff
quartz cairn
what do they even need to investigate
his side of the story, all of the texts and videos between them and more probably
the proof his ex provided was good imo and if he doesnt do anything against it
probably enough to get him signed off / kicked out of the esports scene
but u should always see and investigate both sides
plush grail
i legit dont see sinatraa bringing any info to light that could save him
raw ermine
yeah
quartz cairn
i dont either tbh
plush grail
either way his career is fucked
raw ermine
also
plush grail
maybe a little damage control
quartz cairn
even if he did, theres still alot of shit there thats just unacceptable
raw ermine
well I am not saying she faked these, I believe they're real, IF they were fake, it would be nearly impossible to prove
plush light
whos undead
S1 Shanghai, cheated on like 5 gfs
quartz cairn
S1 Shanghai, cheated on like 5 gfs
oh him LOL
I REMEMBER
yea real shitty of him
honestly
u gotta be low low to cheat on some1
but fucking 5 ppl?
the fucks wrongwith u
plush light
If she faked these, she needs a medal for how convincing they are
quartz cairn
^
the audio was pretty convincing tho imo
she states like 4-5 times she doesnt wanna go on
and he still goes on cause he wants it
plush grail
comments are gone on sinatraas channel
clear crane
he's fucked. question is what sentinels do
quartz cairn
i dont rlly like dafran cuz of toxicity and shit but yea that take is horrible
i can see where hes coming from with like fake allegations and waiting for sinatraa's side
since they were friends before hes probably in dnial
denial
but saying stuff like 'egirls jebait and fuck you over'
is just fucking shitty
plush grail
but calling someone who was abused and sexually assaulted a possible ''crazy e-girl''
tawdry hamlet
Dafran be like hole digging simulator 2021
clear crane
dafran grew too much weed
plush grail
lmao dafran and sinatraa
both assumed to be reformed
obviously fucking not i guess
quartz cairn
but calling someone who was abused and sexually assaulted a possible ''crazy e-g...
yea thats usually why alot of ppl dont come forward
backlash cause they said someone's friend did it
i'd be upset if my close friends got accused of something like that but u can only wait for both sides
and its not looking good for sinatraa rn
clear crane
it's just hard to see any defense to this given how we know sinatraa as a person already. all the way back to like 2017. he might be changed now, but clearly not just 2 seasons ago
quartz cairn
Dafran be like hole digging simulator 2021
like his farming wasnt enough
next mesa
Dafran vs god of ow
digital cloud
Harbleu acting more pissed than I have ever seen
next mesa
legit dafran involving himself so much
facts
like
im not gonna lie I understand dafran right he was/is really good friends with sinatraa
plush grail
dafran is acting all tough
next mesa
not doing all the facts he defends him
plush grail
but he's gonna apolagize lke a little bitch when people call him out
earnest leaf
I get dafran's point, but he worded it in the worst way possible, and keeps digging himself a hole
next mesa
should've kept quiet first like super
glacial delta
honestly i agree with harbleu just wait for sinatraa's response people have faked stuff like this before and its unfair to judge the situation with only one side
digital cloud
thing is, the backlash has been so big
sinatraa almost def gets kicked now
regardless
clear crane
Wow. Don't mess with Harbleu
digital cloud
court is pretty much the big thing now
glacial delta
yeah because people dont actually care, they look at one side as the whole thing
digital cloud
and the evidence so far won't convict in court likely
clear crane
cause of pretty much what dafran is implying. that shes doing it for clout
true hound
if it was that bad why didnt she call the police though'
cause she was afraid
sinatraa was in the position of well
being on an OWL team
a very popular player
glacial delta
I mean based off of what I heard. I makes more sense to go to the cops then to go to twitter
its more descrite
next mesa
I dont get what clout you would get out of this lmao
true hound
especially against one of the biggest esports stars
digital cloud
not necessarily clout. more like revenge, theoretically
you are pretty much guaranteed to get twitter on your side largely
hypothetically speaking
plush grail
dafran and sinatraa speedrunning for the ''destroy your career'' category
digital cloud
I make no judgement on whether or not that is the case
glacial delta
I can understand a possible revenge type thing
glacial delta
correct me if im wrong but didnt jay say that she was mentally ill
digital cloud
I believe some claim of that was made in her paper
clear crane
surprised sentinels haven't at least made some sort of statement regarding investigating
feral zodiac
if it was that bad why didnt she call the police though'
Because there are cases where police don't do much
glacial delta
I feel like this will be more interesting once he responds
glacial delta
yeah
quartz cairn
dang now harb involved
glacial delta
I think he is trying to avoid all of his socials being blown up with premeditated hate and stuff
quartz cairn
yeah definitely
hope hes making his statement as we speak tho
but tbh idk wtf he can do and say that'll save him
feral zodiac
Ye but
quartz cairn
so the community kept up with him i guess
feral zodiac
All Harb is doing is calling him a pos
plush grail
Tbh FUCK sinatraa, always a toxic little shit but scared of backlash so he's deleting social media things
feral zodiac
Wat
glacial delta
The reason I am still neutral is the fact that those can be doctored and the audio can be taken out of context. It is all possible and probably has happened in some instances before
plush grail
Piece of shit
mortal abyss
Piece of shit
feral zodiac
Dafran take was bad but harb isn't making himself look great either
clear crane
imagine sentinels let him play friday
glacial delta
they might have to
quartz cairn
i'd say harb's reply was fine
glacial delta
the only suitable replacement for sentinels is bugha probably
quartz cairn
dafran's take was horrible when he brought up stuff about egirls wanting clout
but i support the fact that we should wait for both sides and more info to come out
feral zodiac
O I didn't read harbs first take
I thought he just went straight to calling him a child/pos
clear crane
suitabe as in skill wise or just actually allowed to play, cause if its skill wise, its not gonna be worth the long term outlook if this is all true
glacial delta
suitabe as in skill wise or just actually allowed to play, cause if its skill wi...
skill wise, hes actually really good
plush grail
Sinatraa leaves sentinels, joins dafran at McDonald's
clear crane
then u gotta make that switch. not worth the PR nightmare if he plays
glacial delta
yeah
feral zodiac
McDonalds: graveyard of esports
clear crane
if Dafran just ended it with "We have to wait for Sinatraa's side of the story", none of the subsequent followings wud have occurred. with harbleu, bawlynn, and others involved
true hound
wait whos the other
clear crane
RJH
true hound
ohh
plush grail
if Dafran just ended it with "We have to wait for Sinatraa's side of the story",...
Just a normal tweet telling people to wait for a reply, not call the accuser a crazy egirl
plush light
Apparently she's with kai(ksp) now.
clear crane
I reallyyyyyy hope Super doesnt get involved
feral zodiac
He won't
glacial delta
Apparently she's with kai(ksp) now.
she is
feral zodiac
Shock players have 100% been told to not get involved
I have no proof but it would be stupid of the org if they weren't
clear crane
yea they have a very well-runned org
feral zodiac
Yh
plush light
I feel like dafran either was in on it or knows something we don't
plush grail
I bet after the ans thing they all got some lessons on how not to fuck up your image
plush light
What ans thing?
feral zodiac
Ans thing?
feral zodiac
That was viol2t
true hound
viol2t
plush grail
Not ans yeah sorry
plush light
What viol2t thing?
clear crane
he was hella toxic in ranked games
plush light
O
quartz cairn
called hoshi the r word in game
feral zodiac
Had a go at a mercy player in game
next mesa
for one game
plush light
Rascal with the sex big dick
next mesa
oh no his replacement is twilight
quartz cairn
rascal a legend
clear crane
that wasnt even bad lol
glacial delta
Rascal with the sex big dick
that one was funny tho
plush light
Lastro did it and then rascal did it too
clear crane
just sucks that chat was opened for viewing
feral zodiac
Oh ye
plush grail
SEX
plush grail
Yeah they got fined tho
plush light
just sucks that chat was opened for viewing
No. It made my day
feral zodiac
Ye but getting fined is nothing 2 them
plush grail
1000 still
quartz cairn
That was lastro
fk mybad
clear crane
no it was great for us lol, but sucks because it meant the fine
quartz cairn
lastro said the first part
and rascal said it too
and then ppl spammed the chat
LMAO
plush grail
The chad loyal sbb vs the virgin abusive sinatraa
feral zodiac
Sbb 
haughty jasper
what did sinatraa do to be trending
glacial delta
what did sinatraa do to be trending
he was accused of s**** assault
haughty jasper
oh...thats pretty bad
feral zodiac
He was accused of sexual assault
glacial delta
but 90% of twitter just assumes he did it
feral zodiac
Why u guys bleeping it out
glacial delta
idk
plush light
It made me loose my appetite for today
haughty jasper
was there any proof
feral zodiac
Yes
glacial delta
some texts and an audio file
feral zodiac
Rn everyone on twitter waiting for result
Because they have nothing proactive to do
clear crane
its prob one of the most concrete accusation for a sexual assault, in terms of evidence and resource
glacial delta
the people that hated sinatraa since day 1 are having a field day rn
feral zodiac
Why r esport pros so weird
plush grail
the people that hated sinatraa since day 1 are having a field day rn
hell yeah
feral zodiac
So many scandals compared to other sports
haughty jasper
i read the doc bro
feral zodiac
That or the legal teams in other sports are just better
clear crane
ehhh its in every sport, and celebrities
haughty jasper
i think this is very convincing
dapper zealot
not really more than any other sport
clear crane
NFL def has more
dapper zealot
you probably just dont follow the nitty gritty of typical sports like you do with esports
digital cloud
there are a crap ton of domestic abuse cases in football just off the top of my head
plush grail
2021 started recently and we already have the valiant imploding, jhong stream shit and sinatraa accusations
jesus
dapper zealot
a metric fuckton of domestic abuse in typical sports
feral zodiac
Idk it seems like everyone in esports is Adam Johnson
digital cloud
every year is competing to be the worst now
feral zodiac
Nah
digital cloud
jk
quartz cairn
it happens everyday but only the popular sports/esports players get it pushed out there
feral zodiac
Worst year was 65 million bc
glacial delta
true
clear crane
lol
feral zodiac
Fat L for dinos
dapper zealot
I am interested in what sinatraa will have to say for himself but based on the framing this is a much stronger concrete case than usual
clear crane
yea im more interested in what sentinels do honestly
quartz cairn
everyones gonna see to see if he plays
feral zodiac
Ngl if he plays
clear crane
Sinatraa prob just gonna have PR writing some statement for him
quartz cairn
if he plays then they dug their own grav
feral zodiac
I could see some players refusing to play
quartz cairn
grave
dapper zealot
I think the only course of action for SEN is to at minimum bench him until this is all sorted out
glacial delta
I am interested in what sinatraa will have to say for himself but based on the f...
I mean even just a shred of evidence that maybe proves that she is mentally ill or that some of her stuff isnt true can be enough to save him here
clear crane
he needs to be benched. i wouldnt advocate for release yet
raw ermine
already was
plush grail
I could see some players refusing to play
tbh idk how close his teammates are but they still might refuse to play with him yeah
raw ermine
but even more
digital cloud
probably desperately scrambling rn to see if the backlash is big enough to can him
likely it is
quartz cairn
well this is yalls daily reminder that no means no
mortal abyss
Is sinatraa the star player for sentinels? I don’t watch any Valorant
digital cloud
yeah
glacial delta
Is sinatraa the star player for sentinels? I don’t watch any Valorant
yes
quartz cairn
Is sinatraa the star player for sentinels? I don’t watch any Valorant
yea hes very popular in valorant
feral zodiac
Kind of
digital cloud
pretty much one of the more popular players too
plush grail
yea hes very popular in valorant
was*
mortal abyss
Ok
feral zodiac
He got nominated for rookie of the year 2 years in a row now
dapper zealot
I mean even just a shred of evidence that maybe proves that she is mentally ill ...
its not about 'saving him' its about getting to the truth.
digital cloud
created a few metas
feral zodiac
In esports
clear crane
was* <:PogChimp:315820550662651904>
he prob still is sadly
quartz cairn
was* <:PogChimp:315820550662651904>
bout to be dust
digital cloud
developed the "sheesh" meme
plush grail
he prob still is sadly
gonna be well known for about a month and then forgotten like trash
feral zodiac
Mans got stacks of money tho so unless he is dumb he'll probably end up fine
digital cloud
not likely unless he invests
he is young
you need a lot of money to live the rest of your life
plush grail
what if sentinel keep sintraa and also pick up mouffin, dreamkazper, undead and jhong
go full asshole
glacial delta
what if sentinel keep sintraa and also pick up mouffin, dreamkazper, undead and ...
what did dreamkazper do?
digital cloud
pedo
quartz cairn
what did dreamkazper do?
tried to meet upwith underage girls
glacial delta
dang
feral zodiac
Tbh
feral zodiac
Jhong isn't as bad as the rest
plush grail
i heard one lied about her age tho
damn that saves dreamkazper, only tried to meet up 2 14-15 year olds?
digital cloud
wait, 14-15 is ephebophile I think
clear crane
jehong didnt do much that can land him in court. sinatraa tho did. same with DZ and Mouffin
quartz cairn
damn that saves dreamkazper, only tried to meet up 2 14-15 year olds?
yea its still bad LOL
digital cloud
not really that big of a difference but eh
feral zodiac
So far
raw ermine
quartz cairn
jehong was just being a dickhead
quartz cairn
the others are in legal trouble though
plush grail
jhong nothing illegal, just ruining the way people view him
digital cloud
well now that washington justice has taken a side
digital cloud
this probably means other teams do too
clear crane
no team is siding with sinatraa lol
plush grail
ofcourse they side with her
glacial delta
honestly the takes/opinions that matter here are NRG, Sen, and his teammates
plush grail
what team would side with a possible sexual abuser lmaooo
digital cloud
most do likely
clear crane
Shock/NRG is gonna stay completely silent
feral zodiac
Bruh imagine the backlash an org would get after siding with sinatraa
clear crane
Crusty and Andy probably told all the players to stfu
plush grail
god this must suck for shock, one of the poster boys they sent to jimmy falon does this
glacial delta
Bruh imagine the backlash an org would get after siding with sinatraa
yeah, I understand why the justice said that siding with jay automatically makes u a villian now
feral zodiac
Thank god for shock he left owl before this came out
clear crane
but it happened during season 2 (so far as we know), so the association will always be there, even if shock had no knowledge
plush grail
happened while he was under contract by shock
feral zodiac
Ye, but shock don't have to worry as much about pr as they would have
Now it's a split between them and sentinels
clear crane
yea, if it comes out to be true, shock will prob say we condemn the actions that jay committed and hope he and cleo get the treatment needed
digital cloud
considering current social trends, shock likely condemn anyway
quartz cairn
what team would side with a possible sexual abuser lmaooo
i mean u got some people who just love their fav player
wanton birch
i mean it woujld be nice if they said anything but its not like hes on their roster anymore
dapper zealot
I really dont think theres anyway jay is getting out of this one
little tusk
I wonder what will happen to him
he should definitely be punished for it but I wonder to what extent
wanton birch
maybe a 5 year ban or some shit
its not like hes gonna be able to get on a team again anyway
digital cloud
he probably gets banned on twitch, which makes him being in events impossible
little tusk
goddang man
honestly what he did was wrong
hope he learns from it
tho I don't hope his punishment is too severe otherwise I'd just feel bad for him xd
raw ermine
I mean, he committed a crime
he's gonna get charged
idk where they lived at the time
little tusk
dang dude gonna be a sex offender as well because of this
raw ermine
oh really?
little tusk
Shit like this is really hard to get people charged
idk the audio file could be used against him hard
man imagine u agree with ur gf to make a sextape
right before u cum she says "nah"
and now ur a sex offender for life
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cedar oasis
That's why you have 3 witnesses
raw ermine
thats the recording
of the supposed abuse
actually
I will remove that
thats the doc
the audio is in there
cedar oasis
Who is Seouls off tank
raw ermine
toyou
cedar oasis
Who's the guy on shock
earnest leaf
shock's OT?
cedar oasis
No the dps guy
raw ermine
Glister?
cedar oasis
Tayou
raw ermine
nero?
craggy sandal
Taiyo
little tusk
man idk if u read the doc
Okay I did read the part
yeah idk
both people shouldn't be in a relationship that's for sure
sinatraa is a textbook abuser and the chick has absolute no worth of self
hope they both get therapy or whatever they need to fix their issues
sour cobalt
Wait how long can I get the bastion/rein skin in
mortal abyss
sour cobalt
What's the time limited to
karmic grotto
7 and 15 hours
shadow dagger
https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1369711283197472769?s=20
i'm glad they tweeted something
sour cobalt
7 and 15 hours
no no
I'm talking how much is the duration available for me to get the skins
sour cobalt
or this contenders season
oh
I'm making a schedule right now thanks
I'm gonna stop it at 30th of march
little tusk
feeling bad for a sex offender?
idk man
I have sympathy for young and stupid people
maybe I just believe the best in everyone
or I convinced myself that humans in general aren't that great
next mesa
for a sex offender
little tusk
regardless hope he learn from it
next mesa
weirdchamp
digital cloud
by Riot
karmic grotto
oh like that
digital cloud
Riot is investigating
karmic grotto
Shouldn't they wait for official lawyer and not a gaming company?
digital cloud
good chance he just gets canned due to the reaction
digital cloud
so yeah, sinatraa probably done regardless
he would need pretty much a divine response
shadow dagger
yeah
little tusk
best thing he can do is just admit his mistakes
say smth about going into therapy
idk
shadow dagger
hes screwed anyways though tbh
little tusk
well the audio clip
karmic grotto
let a laywer sort it out
shadow dagger
there's a recording
shadow dagger
the audio clip is pretty damning
shadow dagger
idk man
karmic grotto
And? Can still be taken out of context. Unless there's some official judgement, we won't know
can't judge based on that
However
It's an indication
little tusk
I really don't want to be that guy
but the audio clip doesn't sound convincing
no is no without a doubt
but there's a difference between screaming NO and her no's
and they can use it against her
digital cloud
this is somewhat off topic at this point
karmic grotto
yeh
shadow dagger
that's true
digital cloud
might be better to take to dms
karmic grotto
so uhm, hows it going with owl
little tusk
I've had personal experience with smth like this myself
digital cloud
pretty well
wanton birch
i feel bad for the rest of sentinals
little tusk
yeah they lost a star player heh
raw ermine
shazam?
digital cloud
his dad died before one
balmy wolf
a lawyer would probably argue to simply look at the transcript of the clip
true hound
I have sympathy for young and stupid people
my guy there is a diff between being a dumb kid vs acts of rape and emotional abuse
raw ermine
oh
balmy wolf
rather than listen to it
digital cloud
then another, texas had the thing
and then this
they literally have had almost back to back disasters with tournaments practically
little tusk
my guy there is a diff between being a dumb kid vs acts of rape and emotional ab...
I know I know dude definitely took advantage of his ex
digital cloud
but again, this is off topic from ow
little tusk
girl wasn't emotionally well and he took fullllllllll advantage of that
look I'm not saying he isn't a total piece of shit for what he did
digital cloud
I really think we should get back on topic
next mesa
no is still no
digital cloud
for crying out loud
wanton birch
i supported sentinals up to now but it kinda feels a bit weird to with all the shit going on
guess its time to faze up
little tusk
castrate all men
tbh I'd castrate myself if I could still have kids
feral zodiac
castrate all men
Wat
shadow dagger
lmao probably a discussion for dms or general though
little tusk
yeah definitely
mortal abyss
Sinatraa took down the had sex 5 min ago tweet
raw ermine
lullllll
little tusk
lmao
mortal abyss
indeed
digital cloud
kinda thought Dafran had matured some
forest raven
also dafran showing off the fact he's still an incel fuckhead
raw ermine
Twitter
forest raven
raw ermine
they got a sub lul
mortal abyss
Sinatraa took down the had sex 5 min ago tweet
It turns out he didnt actually delete the tweet he just unpinned it
That's my bad
little tusk
What did dafran do?
raw ermine
act like a general jerk
digital cloud
he came out in support of sinatraa, but said some things in addition that upset people
little tusk
I legit dont see anything bad about dafran's tweet
He's saying wait for jay's side before judgement
Tho maybe he could've.... Phrased it better
forest raven
dafran literally turned around, started immediately questioning the integrity of the victim, and talking about how egirls do shit for attention
straight incel shit
and if you can't see that
you got problems
digital cloud
I don't remember him being accused
raw ermine
He called her an e-girl for no reason, and granted while E-girl isn't well defined in its meaning, it does hold impact that wasn't justified
little tusk
Super said it best rly
Just didnt want to talk about it
Thats the best way of reserving judgement
forest raven
super also hadn't read the doc yet
karmic grotto
still going on about this? damn
digital cloud
People get fixated on big news like this easily
If owl was actually going it would be easier to find other stuff to talk about
little tusk
Lol ofc it is
dark lichen
is there a way a person thats from a country that cant earn league tokens while watching to somehow earn them?
forest raven
i think only buying them
glacial delta
also an MVP player is a fucking rapist
correct me if im wrong but didnt she say that none of the stuff he does constitutes as rape
while sexual abuse is still bad rape is much worse
forest raven
i believe she referred to it as sexual assault because proving rape is incessantly difficult in the US
quartz cairn
i guess it depends on what you define as what
cause they cross over alot but it depends on what you exactly draw the line as
raw ermine
seeing as they were having sex, and she said to stop, and he didn't, thats pretty damning to the public, even if a courtroom doesn't find it so
quartz cairn
even if he doesnt go to jail or anything hes pretty muched ruined on social media and has a bad reputation rn
raw ermine
yeah
quartz cairn
so if he goes to do stuff irl hes gonna struggle even then
what happens on the internet fucking stays
raw ermine
nobody would pick him up as a player, his name is forever ruined
quartz cairn
and if ur front page of trending on twitter
raw ermine
his life is over
quartz cairn
yeah unless he can somehow do something to prove hes innocnt
which i highly doubt is possible at all rn
forest raven
rip him out like a goddamn weed
glacial delta
I feel like he can]
quartz cairn
what can he say
glacial delta
there are a lot of ways
quartz cairn
or do ig
glacial delta
prob easiest is to descredit her
glacial delta
if he can do that he is saved
earnest leaf
only way he comes out on top is if he pulls out the uno reverse card
glacial delta
just find something that can mean she doctored the photos or the audio was taken out of context
glacial delta
only way he comes out on top is if he pulls out the uno reverse card
that is also a good option
little tusk
I dont think ruining his life is gonna accomplish anything either
quartz cairn
I dont think ruining his life is gonna accomplish anything either
its just a consequence of his actions
digital cloud
Some consequence needs to exist if he did it
quartz cairn
if theres no consequence
glacial delta
but his carrer could be over before an investigation
quartz cairn
there'd be people dying left and right
glacial delta
even if he did nothing
quartz cairn
cause who the fuck cares if theres no consequence
digital cloud
That is how the internet works
quartz cairn
yeah
digital cloud
As a pro player, it is a risk
quartz cairn
if u assault someone well im sorry not sorry
you deserve like 90% of what comes to you
at that point
forest raven
no you deserve 100%
quartz cairn
No means No
and stop means stop
if you dont understand that, you shouldnt be having sexual relationships
forest raven
if you do what sinatraa did you deserve to drop off the face of the earth
you're scum
quartz cairn
what if he didnt do it though
then he should have no problem coming forward with proof he didnt
forest raven
there is literally audio of her saying to stop and him not stopping
how much fucking proof is needed before these women are believed
quartz cairn
people always ask for proof
and she gave proof
what else do you wnat?
a fucking phub video?
glacial delta
honestly I just need more than one of those two people to do an actual investigation
quartz cairn
texts, screenshots from other things, and an audio of her saying no
glacial delta
I am not trying to say that she is a liar
and I am not going to say that jay is an abuser
quartz cairn
theyre doing an investigation rn
quartz cairn
and I am not going to say that jay is an abuser
even if he didnt sexually assault her, shes messed up enough to write a whole 3 pages and go to therapy for it
doesnt that point to some mental abuse?
glacial delta
things can be doctored and until sentinels and the VCT do their investigations I will say that both sides could be wrong here
forest raven
9 pages
karmic grotto
Anyways, we all have said we needed to say, let's wait to his side of the story
cursive plover
doesnt that point to some mental abuse?
Yes
quartz cairn
u dont just leave a relationship and think 'oh im gonna write something about my ex and call up sexual assault hotline'
unless something happened
quartz cairn
im all for waiting for his side of the story
karmic grotto
Wait for it
forest raven
not you adriel
quartz cairn
thats the problem
quartz cairn
some ppl here are just thinking 'oh sinatraa pro gamer tho he wouldnt do that'
glacial delta
Im just saying seeing one side cant be enough in any situation
cursive plover
im all for waiting for his side of the story
Agreed
digital cloud
can we avoid hurling insults
quartz cairn
and just discredit everything with 'proof?"
digital cloud
strictly speaking, proofs are literally 100%, like in mathematics
this is evidence
good evidence
cursive plover
^
digital cloud
we might need to evaluate terms here, but whatever
terminology is more or less not helpful at this point
karmic grotto
He will have to react soon, or maybe not react and wait for his lawyer and then he will do a public statement
little tusk
its just a consequence of his actions
yeah consequence is fair, ruining his life ehh
forest raven
brother
sinatraas life won't be ruined
he's still rich with a lot of money invested
he'll be fine
little tusk
hey I'm all for punishment
dude he's gonna get punished either way no way they can let this slide
forest raven
and if the law does get involved and he gets planked? good
little tusk
especially since gamers are already known to being women unfriendly
glacial delta
sinatraas life won't be ruined
thats debatable. The internet has already taken sides, even fricking orgs are against him
viral cargo
wait what is happenign?
digital cloud
no more than any other group really
quartz cairn
yeah consequence is fair, ruining his life ehh
i dont agree with 'cancel this' kind of stuff but he did somethign bad, he gets something bad
you cant change that.
quartz cairn
he can get into legal trouble you know
karmic grotto
thats debatable. The internet has already taken sides, even fricking orgs are ag...
but org do for image
quartz cairn
and you cant just say 'ruining his life isnt far'
raw ermine
wait what is happenign?
former OWL player accused of sexual assault. Looks bad for him
quartz cairn
he literally broke the law if its proven in court
true hound
@forest raven throw back to when the harryhook shit came out
little tusk
breaking the law doesn't mean ur life has to be ruined rofl
true hound
viral cargo
any files or responses from eqch side?
little tusk
imagine u break the law once and that's it gg
glacial delta
breaking the law doesn't mean ur life has to be ruined rofl
ehhhhhh