esports-discussion

[worn falcon]

Yaki gengo

🤔

Brad recalls that the day before the match against the Defiant, they scrimmed Philly at the time and Eqo smashed them on Genji. At that point, Dogman pushed for the Reign playing Genji themselves. Despite Edison feeling uncomfortable on the pick, they switch last moment but still lose the match. Brad agrees that this was a huge coaching blunder as they should’ve seen the meta for what it was

https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/brad-interview-atlanta-reign

[hot onyx]

When the head coach is sus 😳

[worn falcon]

Eqo rolling on ratlanta is

[raw ermine]

atl acad coming back and signing american tornado?

[worn falcon]

more like they cut atl acad because financial stuff than anything

and probs when ow2 comes it would be better for contendies

[raw ermine]

what if all the acads go to KR contenders? lul

[worn falcon]

allegedly american tornado could beat some owl teams

[hot onyx]

Low level open division teams could beat Titans

[worn falcon]

tbh i would love some battle for the spot in owl or something

like top contendies vs owl teams for one spot

[hot onyx]

Can I ask a question?

[worn falcon]

for example runaway beating team korea

[hot onyx]

Yeah that was pretty crazy ngl

[plush grail]

they could make like a new expansion team fully dedicated to this

they have like a tournament every 2 months

gives attention to things like contenders and gives good players chances

[worn falcon]

The downside its, well, Blizzard. Because those spots cost money, and OWL team being beat by a Contendies would be kinda bad for the brand.

But i would love competition for a spot and demostrate they can do it.

And if not, getting more prospects

[cedar oasis]

Ratlanta

Kinda gross

Imagine peaking in season 2

Couldent be me

[balmy wolf]

?

shock peaked in season 2

wdym

[cedar oasis]

Everyone knows shock is cock

[cedar oasis]

Do people actually think ratlanta is better then Seoul

[balmy wolf]

seoul is better

[next mesa]

yes

[plush grail]

@cedar oasis shit new name

altanta is trash was a fact

this is just a shitty dream

dissapointed bro

[balmy wolf]

ye its literally his thing

[plush grail]

no but atlanta is trash was legit a fact

atlanta is ass

[balmy wolf]

his name fit him very well

fr i think atlanta will be really good this season

[plush grail]

how

which pieces on this team make them better than london or paris

[balmy wolf]

i cant see them underperform

[plush grail]

atlanta is the name and underperforming is the game

[balmy wolf]

every piece is better

they shit the bed last season

i have high expectations for this season tho

[plush grail]

smh

[cedar oasis]

No

[balmy wolf]

they will be top 5 and yall be kissing my feet

[cedar oasis]

No

[plush grail]

i will lick your feet and atlanta will underperform

[balmy wolf]

na tho

apac is better

[cedar oasis]

You cant see gator underperform when he did season3

[balmy wolf]

nice

[cedar oasis]

So did Edison

And hawk

Amd massa

And their coaching is horrible

[balmy wolf]

ye they underperformed

no reason to do it again

[cedar oasis]

Nothing important changed

Also Chengdu top 3 isnt a dream

[balmy wolf]

7 man roster huge dps pickups clear role for every player

[cedar oasis]

??

Clear role

Thry had that last time

[balmy wolf]

no

[cedar oasis]

Pokpo was better then gator

[balmy wolf]

they had edison on genji

saucy on junk

[cedar oasis]

Dps is the least important role

That's a fact

[plush grail]

depends on the meta

[balmy wolf]

ye meta dependant

[plush grail]

summer showdown genji was super important and could carry a team

[balmy wolf]

zen meta is fs and tracer diff

[cedar oasis]

You can have carpe fleta decay and rascal as your dps but if your tanks are muma xepher and your supports are crimzo dogman you ain't gonna win

[balmy wolf]

yep

you compare gator and hawk with muma and xepher

im sorry

[cedar oasis]

Gator and hawk are a bottom 5 tank line in the league

Lmao

Hold up

[balmy wolf]

you can underrate them but thats just pure ignorance

[cedar oasis]

The only people gator is better then is people that havent played in owl yet

Lmaoo

[plush grail]

i could tank diff gator

[balmy wolf]

lol

[cedar oasis]

Truee

[balmy wolf]

hes gonna prove you wrong

watch

[cedar oasis]

No hes not

Lmaoo

Gator gonna turn into muma and get benched by pelican

[balmy wolf]

doesnt work

they have no flex dps

if pelican plays tank

rip

[plush grail]

hydration moment

[cedar oasis]

Its rip already for Atlanta

Boston gonna stomp them

[karmic grotto]

no its not

[balmy wolf]

boy you gonna cry if they chill in top5

[cedar oasis]

They wont

[balmy wolf]

and you have to kiss my feet

[cedar oasis]

Physically impossible

Its science

[plush grail]

atlanta top 5?

what crack are you smoking

[balmy wolf]

youre in primary school

[cedar oasis]

Lmaooo

[balmy wolf]

you dont know science

[plush grail]

you said atlanta top 5, you know NOTHING

[cedar oasis]

Gator has been trash for 2 years has shown no signs of improvement and has the same coaches

How isnt he bottom 5

How does he improve

Awnser

Magic

Clearly

[balmy wolf]

he already did

[plush grail]

top 5 is gonna be super competitive in NA

[balmy wolf]

how can i tell you

[plush grail]

u have toronto, shock, glads, justice, boston, florida, dallas

[cedar oasis]

Turns out marbel is actually gator on his alt

[balmy wolf]

maybe

[cedar oasis]

Lmao

[balmy wolf]

owlonyoutube is my secret smurf

[plush grail]

are you amengs alt

[cedar oasis]

Hes actually dogmas alt

That's why he has crazy ideas

[plush grail]

la valiant top 2

[balmy wolf]

hello guys welcome to the dusttin bowerman show

[plush grail]

dudttin bowerman show

[cedar oasis]

Next you'll say moth is gonna be trash on glads

[balmy wolf]

moth is the best ms in the league

[plush grail]

ljg

[cedar oasis]

Anamo actually

[plush grail]

the big brain answer

[cedar oasis]

Yes

Literally cant go wrong with anamo

He babysat jjonack for 2 years

[plush grail]

he's free on seoul

[cedar oasis]

Hes free

He turns into the most agressive ms in the leauge

[plush grail]

ljg feed drive time

[cedar oasis]

Literly sets the all time death record

While getting gold damage

[plush grail]

did ljg legit set the new death record

[cedar oasis]

Idk

I ment most deaths ever in ow in a single game

[plush grail]

most amount of thrown games

who has that title

[cedar oasis]

Muma

No wait sado

Defanitly sado

[plush light]

The best main support ever to be in owl was kuki

The best zen is super

[next mesa]

dps for sure

arguably support

[earnest leaf]

yall forgetting about roar

[worn falcon]

muma for best mt

[next mesa]

3 way tie between muma roar and ryujehong

[tropic herald]

Idek how roar became so washed

[next mesa]

fir best nt

for bmt*

mt*

[tropic herald]

He was so good in tendies

There you go

[digital cloud]

Gator was decent in tendies too

Look what happened to him

[worn falcon]

OWL destroying careers

Now Gator plays with Kephrii sadge

[plush grail]

god kephrii

didn't he like use drugs and then quit?

[vagrant cargo]

Clestyn gud very talented

Poko already peaked

[vagrant cargo]

Eh idk

He was kinda carried by kdp

[hot onyx]

Idk why people talk about poko as if he isn’t on the same level of ot talent as space

Granted he is noticeably weaker than fury but that doesn’t make him a mediocre/bad off tank

[next mesa]

B tier

B+

[wanton birch]

its so nice to see overwatch pros doing so well in valorant

[vagrant cargo]

Both aint great lol

Both B tier

[plush grail]

they're on the same level yeah

for some reason space is super overrated and poko underrated

[vagrant cargo]

What

Both are mad overrated

[plush grail]

just my experience man

[hot onyx]

Man idk what you’re on they’re at least A- tier

[vagrant cargo]

Idk i saw mfs saying poko is top 5 😭

[hot onyx]

Not too 5

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah A- tier OT who got dommed everytime we saw him face a good OT

He got farmed on zarya by MIRROR

[hot onyx]

Void Choi Fury Cr0ng Toyou Hanbin

[plush grail]

absolute disrespect by youtube man

[vagrant cargo]

Gargoyle

Bianca

Michelle under KDG

[hot onyx]

Poko and space are close to that level but slightly lower than them imo

[vagrant cargo]

not rlly

Both had big issues last season

[hot onyx]

My man

Last season

[vagrant cargo]

Poko is incredibly onedimensional playstyle wise

[hot onyx]

And poko rode the bench for half the season

[vagrant cargo]

He only looked good vs bad ots

[plush grail]

but he's hot

[vagrant cargo]

Hanbin dumpsterd him

Gargoyle dumpsterd him in may melee

[hot onyx]

Look trust me on this poko is an underrated gem

[vagrant cargo]

Mirror diffed him so hard he had to be subbed out and fusion reverse sweeped glads witv fury

[hot onyx]

And I would not say either of them dumpstered him

[vagrant cargo]

Then rewatch the matches

It wss a mad OT diff

[hot onyx]

My man I don’t need to

[vagrant cargo]

Even hawk gapped him in the 3-2 atl match iirc

[hot onyx]

I just gotta watch him absolutely dunk the competition this season

[vagrant cargo]

Yes u do if you make a literal false claim? Lmfao

Yeah

Even tho he is a bottom 3 apac ot LMFAO

[hot onyx]

Bottom 3? I want what you’re smoking bud

[vagrant cargo]

Hes only better than elsa anf MAYBE zijin/highbee

[hot onyx]

Dude wasn’t fully starting last season, he is now and though he isn’t better than fury he will prove he deserves his spot

[vagrant cargo]

Then tell me why he always looked meh asf once he faced good OTs?

[balmy wolf]

Poko is going against elite tier OT's

in apac

[vagrant cargo]

Tell me how a A tier OT gets hard farmed by MIRROR on zarya

[balmy wolf]

You have Void Cr0ng

[hot onyx]

Dude you’re saying this as if it’s a 1v1

[vagrant cargo]

We compare offtanks

Ofc its a 1v1

[plush grail]

yeah i do agree, fusion bought some expensive pieces and did not feel the need to upgrade the ot position

he's probably improved during the off season

[hot onyx]

Mate ow isn’t a 1v1 competition it’s a team game

[balmy wolf]

Who was expensive

That Fusion picked up

[vagrant cargo]

Him getting diffed several times vs good players and looking mediocre and onedimensional

[balmy wolf]

When theres an OT diff

you feel it

[vagrant cargo]

Disqualifies him from being above B

[plush grail]

mano and shockwave probably

[vagrant cargo]

Mano was a FA

[balmy wolf]

Shockwave was on fucking titans lmfao

[vagrant cargo]

Same for shockwave

[balmy wolf]

And that

[plush grail]

still pretty wanted players

[balmy wolf]

If the other teams OT is doing better

Its hard to win

[vagrant cargo]

sans whats ur scrimm experience on OT

Tell me

If u want to educate me on how OT works

[balmy wolf]

Who realstically would of wanted Shockwave

[vagrant cargo]

I mean exez

He had 11 offers

[hot onyx]

Maybe the fact that I’m not an owl player and neither are you we can’t give our certified opinions

[vagrant cargo]

Lol

[balmy wolf]

and how much money do those team have

yes

[hot onyx]

All we can do is argue about hot takes

[balmy wolf]

But

[vagrant cargo]

answer the question sans

What is ur experience

[plush grail]

shockwave was wanted wdym

[vagrant cargo]

if u tell me im smoking stuff

Tell me what ur qualifications are

[balmy wolf]

It depends on how much money they wanted to put into a player like Shockwave

[hot onyx]

My man poko is improving and I have faith

I don’t have qualifications

[vagrant cargo]

crazy argument wow

[balmy wolf]

Wheres ur proof

[hot onyx]

And neither do you

[balmy wolf]

?

[vagrant cargo]

Lets just ignore that he looked progressively worse

Idl

[balmy wolf]

We have 3 years of games to watch

[vagrant cargo]

Idk i played in tier 3 scrimmed worldcup teams and peaked 4.3 on OT

[plush grail]

imagine liking a player and wanting to give them a chance @hot onyx

[vagrant cargo]

But i guess im just smoking stuff

[plush grail]

liquipedia link?

[balmy wolf]

You need to be realstic

tho

Why would he have a liquidpedia

for T3

EU

[vagrant cargo]

Most tier 3 teams dont have a liqupedia LMAO

[balmy wolf]

In 2018/19

[hot onyx]

Poko live-streams

[vagrant cargo]

We scrimmed them we didnt reach trials

[balmy wolf]

Wheres the HSR panthera roster reveal

tweet

[vagrant cargo]

the team was HSR panthera

For the lan? @balmy wolf

Wait a sec

[balmy wolf]

Ye

NTB coached one of the most dominant German Lan teams lmfao

[vagrant cargo]

https://twitter.com/HSRPanthera/status/1309447556808597504?s=19

HSR Panthera (@HSRPanthera)

This isn't even our final form... HSR Panthera DoKomi 2020 Roster!

🛡️ @CookieOW
🛡️ @Tschosch_
🛡️ @Jaeger_SODMG
🛡️ @OGG_0w
⚔️ @Ediz_OW
⚔️ @0segs9
⚔️ @ZettelH1
🇦🇱🦅@11eellvv
💉 @RKow_

🔴Full Trailer: https://t.co/ULfZCUs9fK https://t.co/7mnpz4g97G

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Twitter · Sep 25, 2020, 11:00 AM

[hot onyx]

If people can be confident in Washington with a support line that is barely qualified to play in the league then why can’t I have confidence in fusion with a slightly downgraded ot?

[vagrant cargo]

Because u tell me i smoke stuff

When i state my.opinion

Yet u lack any argument

[hot onyx]

Alright man you win

[vagrant cargo]

having faith in a player is fine but dont try to fucking ego ppl when u cant back up ur claims

Its just weird

[hot onyx]

I yield and admit I was wrong with a lack of evidence on your experience

[vagrant cargo]

Its aight dw

Have a good night homie

[balmy wolf]

Because closer and bebe have had insane peaks and could of easily of had a rough year which can happen

[next mesa]

Bebe has insane peak?

[balmy wolf]

Season 2

[vagrant cargo]

Btw

Fusion vs AT scrimmcodw

[balmy wolf]

Bebe Season 2 Zen

was fucking insane

NTB

delete

dumbass

LMFAO

[vagrant cargo]

Y

Isnt it public

[next mesa]

Does AT beat 80% of owl teams

[balmy wolf]

NO

LMFAO

ITS NOT

[vagrant cargo]

Its literally on baazocord bruh

Wasnt it

[balmy wolf]

Its not public

[next mesa]

I don't believe

[balmy wolf]

Its not

[next mesa]

Gonna be honest

[vagrant cargo]

Oh

Nvm

[balmy wolf]

Its not public

Its real

[vagrant cargo]

Oop

[balmy wolf]

Dumbass

[next mesa]

It's real

?????

[vagrant cargo]

LMAOOOO

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

Theres nothing to learn anyway

[next mesa]

Wait is this based on like

[vagrant cargo]

Y cant i post it tho

[next mesa]

S3 scrims

[balmy wolf]

Fusion had ringers

No this is new

like 1 week ago

[next mesa]

80%

Of owl teams

[vagrant cargo]

Like what do we lose from that exey LMAO

[next mesa]

Did they scrim apac teams too

Like wtf

[balmy wolf]

Idk its just cringe leaking scrims

[craggy sandal]

The fusion code is in bazzocord

[vagrant cargo]

They have a EU and a KR roster

[balmy wolf]

Ah

[next mesa]

Wtf they do

Wack

[craggy sandal]

Ik

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

[vagrant cargo]

there u go

[balmy wolf]

Fusion had Jkaru and Prov1de in for ringers

[vagrant cargo]

Ye

[next mesa]

Ringers?

[craggy sandal]

Poko didn’t ult for 8 mins

[balmy wolf]

I havent watched no point

[plush grail]

yooo dont post scrim codes here mods don't want that stuff here

[balmy wolf]

ah

NTB theres ur actual reason

[vagrant cargo]

I assume the kr roster was carpe rascal mano clestyn unique alarm

[vagrant cargo]

Whack

[next mesa]

Wait at kr roster

Has carpe

Wait

What

Oh like

Okay I'm dumb

Unique oo

[hot onyx]

@vagrant cargo https://twitter.com/fusion/status/1364681731517767681?s=21

There’s the improvement I was talking about

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/shu_overwatch/status/1367581351528960001

Shu (@shu_overwatch)

zzzzzzzzzzzzzz https://t.co/iPgyNEaxRT

Likes

625

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Twitter · Mar 4, 2021, 9:02 PM

?????

[plush grail]

god i hate that

[hot onyx]

Pass the noose pal

[vagrant cargo]

Bro

Its a literal

RANKED clip

R A N K E D

[hot onyx]

My man did you lose your sense of humour after you made your discord account or something?

[vagrant cargo]

Bro considering ur takes i wouldnt be surprised if u meant that unironically

[hot onyx]

Oh yeah man funny croissant man falls into a hole on a character he doesn’t have in his main hero pool yeah I’m pretty serious about him being S tier bro

[tight axle]

Can I weigh in? Im not a pro I'm not even close to gm and I just feel like we manage to underrate a lot of players. They could be getting diffed but u have to realize that all(almost all) earned their spot and poko earned it. I would say A tier(but only bc he didn't play much last season or j don't remember).

[raw ermine]

He played near the start on dva for some reason

[plush grail]

facts

[hot onyx]

facts

[tight axle]

His dva isn't bad. Neither is his hog. I would say zarya doesn't seem like a strong suite but only bc I've never seen him on zar

He's a pretty respectable ot to me. Someone who can anchor and he's prob one of the last players you would worry about consistency wise

[raw ermine]

he did well on sig in s2

[hot onyx]

Stage 2 or season 2?

Because correct me if I’m wrong but sigma was released after stage 4 but before playoffs in season 2

[raw ermine]

s2 playoffs, when it was double shield

he was a good sig

but the meta wasn't well defined, and philly lost quickly

[hot onyx]

I’ve seen quicker than 4-2

[tight axle]

Philly always been a weird team to me. They have amazing players but they always fall short

Them and nyxl

[plush grail]

nyxl s3 was just sad

dont remind me of s3 nyxl please

[hot onyx]

I’d rather not be reminded that IMT and Whynot are still in owl

[plush grail]

how can you have haksal, libero, sbb, mano, jjonak, anamo, bianca

and still barely beat chengdu

[tight axle]

They need a full reset

I dunno what they did this off season but everyone should go

[plush grail]

they changed everything except for the coaches

[tight axle]

Actually nvm they did that it's just jjonak right?

[hot onyx]

Well this off season everyone bar jjonak and the worst coaching staff in owl history have stayed

[plush grail]

a new coach and player manager

and imt became head of data

whatever that is

[tight axle]

They should get rid of the coaches too. Or just make this their absolute last chance

With the players they had this performance is ridiculous

Like 5 of the top 20 dps?

[hot onyx]

Those coaches are so dogshit they need banning from touching another team ever again

[tight axle]

And s tier tanks and supports?

[plush grail]

its sad yeah

[tight axle]

What even was their problem? Synergy?

[hot onyx]

Players with so much talent like gwangboong feath5r ivy etc are gonna be wasted

[tight axle]

Or just like S1 mayhem where they always lost it at the end?

[plush grail]

idk really tbh

[hot onyx]

I’d say putting libero on hitscan and main support played a large part in it

[tight axle]

Libero honestly never really got a chance

From what I've seen he can be as good as rascal

[hot onyx]

The only credit I can really give them is they didn’t put sbb on hog, jjonak on sombra and hotba on zen

[plush grail]

near the end nenne just gave up it looked like so they had to play sbb ashe and haksal sombra

[tight axle]

Nyxl should be like S1 titans where literally everyone gets picked up and it's accepted to be the staffs fault

[plush grail]

giving IMT ideas for s4

[hot onyx]

If he hasn’t been banned from owl entirely for his horrendous “coaching” then yeah I don’t see how it could get any worse

Yeah I’d watch him put ivy on sigma and friday on orisa

[plush grail]

calm down sock man

[hot onyx]

Sorry if there’s anything I’m passionate about it’s the fact that kyky and aero could do a better job than imt and whynot

Might be a hotter take than Defiant > Justice but I’ll stand by it

[next mesa]

logix will drag defiant down

[noble nexus]

will logix even get play time?

[hot onyx]

Not more than ttuba will drag down justice

[noble nexus]

I thought they had a better player

[kind ridge]

The coaching can turn him in to the right direction 😉

[next mesa]

They have assassin now

So like

no

[hot onyx]

They have heesu now

So like

no

[next mesa]

heesu will be starter

not to mention theres a huge ass tank diff

[hot onyx]

Fury >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michelle I get

[next mesa]

Mag >> Sado

so

basically diff * diff

[hot onyx]

I’d say mag and sado pretty even depending on their back line

[next mesa]

mag is just better

[hot onyx]

Ok let’s say tank diff then

[next mesa]

its also a dps diff

[hot onyx]

Tell me what happens when a bottom 3 support duo gets dunked by mr sex big dick?

[next mesa]

I mean

decay will just fuck everyone

[hot onyx]

Decay is fucking nuts

[next mesa]

thank you

[hot onyx]

And the entire league is allergic

Doesn’t mean heesu can’t put up a fight

[tight axle]

Honestly defiant seems like the kind of team where if kdg does his work and na1st and ansoonjae dont end up sucking then they could probably be even with justice and shock

[next mesa]

yeah I dont think heesu can

decay > heesu and logix
assassin ttuba > Na1st

aztac start over lastro i call it

[tight axle]

I agree with decay. I dunno about fdps it's close to me. Aztac and lastro are both nuts. I don't care who starts its the fact that u have 2 gods who are prob top 10 if not breaking top 5 flex supports

Toronto in 2 flex support meta would scare me so bad. Like aztac zen and lastro Ana? God

[next mesa]

how are they top 5

sus

[hot onyx]

Alarm Twilight Violet Izayaki Shu Fielder Creative Faraway1987 Kariv Jjonak

[next mesa]

1987 will be a fat nut

[hot onyx]

Where do they fit into top 5?

[next mesa]

apparently better than coldest and molly

I didnt watch much vods doe

[hot onyx]

I can believe that

[next mesa]

same same

[tight axle]

I'm saying they could be. Aztac has the makings of the next twilight (at least to me) and we get to see lastro with some great coaches

[next mesa]

also his name is very cool

[hot onyx]

Pain in the ass for casters tho

[next mesa]

lastro had a great coach though

packing10 idk kinda good

[tight axle]

I don't like him. He's decent but idk just an irrational feeling. Even then kdg is great

[next mesa]

idk if im dumb i didnt put him top 10 last season either im not gonna lie

yes saying packing10 not good very irrational i agree

[tight axle]

Lol

[hot onyx]

Toronto wins on pure support diff

[next mesa]

yes Im gonna say a hard no on that one

[hot onyx]

Well let’s agree to disagree

[next mesa]

yes

[hot onyx]

After all if we all had the same opinions every conversation would be boring af

[next mesa]

look the truth is

the tank line and dps is just gonna fucking body

bebe and closer can afk at spawn

win

easy

[hot onyx]

Ok hear me out

[next mesa]

okay hear me out

you duplicate decay

u put 6 of him in the starting line up

win

easy

[hot onyx]

2 decay clones on support unironically sounds better

But what I was gonna say was If it’s a mercy+zen/moira meta justice have it in the bag

[next mesa]

u guys are underrating bebe

I dont know about closer still doe

[craggy sandal]

Closer is good

[next mesa]

but like

whatever

[hot onyx]

Bebe is literally one of the worst fs in the league wdym underrating?

[next mesa]

justice better

[craggy sandal]

He just had Dallas coaching for 2 years

Bebe is pretty average

[next mesa]

im not saying he's better than lastro or aztac

but like its not a humongous support diff

[hot onyx]

Bebe is just better than crimzo and roolf

Maybe ripa

[next mesa]

Kaan maybe

[hot onyx]

But I would genuinely prefer Kaan over Bebe

[next mesa]

we'll agree to disagree

[hot onyx]

Yes

What about two teams that are almost like clones of eachother?

[next mesa]

which

[hot onyx]

Fusion and Glads

Top 5 level hitscan player

Absolute beast of a western flex dps

[next mesa]

wouldn't say eqo is a beast

[hot onyx]

Best western off tank

summer showdown

[next mesa]

yeah at genji

id take ivy

genji

too

[hot onyx]

Let’s agree to disagree now

[next mesa]

that one play was a fatty doe

it would be the best play in ow history IF THEY ACTUALLY WON THE MAP

[hot onyx]

As a fusion fan the fact they lost that put me in physical pain

But as I was saying

Unproven yet talented main tank with a shit ton of potential and mechanical skill

[next mesa]

bruh

[craggy sandal]

I wouldn’t say Mano is unproven

[next mesa]

if anyone is proven its mano

[hot onyx]

I know

[next mesa]

💀

[hot onyx]

I’m talking s3 Mano

[next mesa]

just had a slight down season

he was still nyxl best player

[hot onyx]

S3 Mano was down season and he needs to prove himself again

That’s what I meant by unproven

[next mesa]

btw id take mano over sado just wanna throw that out there

[hot onyx]

I say Mano is a side grade

Sort of like fate over fearless

Anyway

Arguably the best main support

[next mesa]

well both in top 5 yes

[hot onyx]

And alarm diff is why I give fusion the edge

[next mesa]

moth > astro diff

[hot onyx]

Shu is an absolute madman don’t get me wrong but he isn’t alarm

[next mesa]

support line is pretty equal but kevster over eqo by a long shot so glads it is

however

if rascal 👀

[hot onyx]

I wouldn’t say by a long shot

I’d give kevster the same edge over eqo that I give alarm over shu

But rascal is always a possibility

[next mesa]

bruhhh

[hot onyx]

I will cry until the earth is flooded if he announces retirement or full time streaming

[next mesa]

kevster is not barely better man

come on lets get real here

[hot onyx]

I’m not saying that to put kevster down

It’s to big up the best korean player eqo

He deserves a chance to prove himself again in another summer showdown type situation but I’ve gone through enough fusion fan heartbreak that I just want rascal to absolutely fuck

Just imagine tomorrow he tweets out saying “I’m very excited to announce my new schedule for my full time streaming” or sum shit

[feral zodiac]

Mano was pretty good last season though

[sullen berry]

He underperformed

I haven't seen his path to improvement throughout season 3

but there's a chance he will continue to try and become the clutch tank

[forest raven]

remember when triple dps single support was meta

peak 2017

[cedar oasis]

No

Also that one time the dragons played in season 2

And stomped everyone

Wasent it widow phara sombra

[forest raven]

i think so

i think pharah was the only permanent dps

there was doom and hanzo in there too

youngjin playing hog sometimes

look at this shit https://i.imgur.com/gUyhQ4Q.png

[cedar oasis]

Whoru

Why are all these guys washed now

[forest raven]

tobi isn't washed

how dare

not being in the league =/= washed

[cedar oasis]

Nah nah

Tobi is washed on soldier

[forest raven]

[plush grail]

wow what a fun and interesting team comp, let's hope a super op comp doesn't come around using multiple roles and end up with 2-2-2 being forced every match

[forest raven]

i mean it's literally classic dive with the MS on soldier because it's numbani 1st

also this is like a year and a half before goats

[cedar oasis]

Goats was not meta

Shanghai was meta during that time actually

[forest raven]

what

[vagrant cargo]

I didnt watch the clip i just saw its ranked

[vagrant cargo]

He usualy was a zarya player

Also his hog is atrocious

[forest raven]

who

[plush grail]

poko ig

[vagrant cargo]

Ya

[next mesa]

https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchTMZ/comments/lyz6ig/leaked_discord_conversation_between_gaga_and/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Poggers

[tawdry hamlet]

They can see match chat...
a
a
a
a
a
a

Loll

OBSWinston moment for sure

[kind ridge]

hehe

[restive galleon]

when does the season actually end?

[mortal abyss]

never

[restive galleon]

ah that makes sense

i guess it wall always be less than a minute

[fickle latch]

Hi guys
Can you till me what is this month contenders skins?

And Is there a specific date for the start of the league?

[raw ermine]

bastion and rein

I assume you mean the start of OWL?

OWL starts april 16th

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/regional-format-changes-for-2021-overwatch-contenders

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/new-2021-season-info-schedule-tournaments-prizing-and-more

there is info for each

[fickle latch]

Thx 🤍

[raw ermine]

np

[fickle latch]

How many hours for rein skin?

[raw ermine]

they list the info at the bottom of the contenders page I linked you

[fickle latch]

Ok

[raw ermine]

about times to get the skins

[plush grail]

why is seoul suddenly getting ranked so highly

i love seoul but i legit dont get it

they lost like 5 players and only gained anamo and sbb as far as i know

how does that justify going from like 10th to 4th

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/McGravy/status/1367963902915575812

McGravy (@McGravy)

yo can you guys hurry up and announce your roster so I can put you 20th in my power rankings @LAValiant

Likes

2304

Twitter · Mar 5, 2021, 10:23 PM

[plush grail]

dont hate la valiant, hate igc

[mortal abyss]

People rate Toyou highly

[next mesa]

they lost bdosin

creative was gonna play anyway

tobi

biggest lost

illicit

literally irrelevant worst player

slime

[plush grail]

wasn't toyou already on the team

[next mesa]

irrelevant

[plush grail]

2 way contract?

[next mesa]

2 way

he is full time now

and he only played like a few games end of reg season

[raw ermine]

there coaching was one of the biggest problems, and now they have less coaches

[next mesa]

having less coaches is sometimes good

[plush grail]

but like they have toyou full time now, they have anamo and sbb and less coaches

those are goood changes but top 4 changes??

[raw ermine]

I don't buy it

[next mesa]

top 4 easy

[raw ermine]

unless wiz was gigatoxic and bad at coaching

[plush grail]

also lmao the coach for team cc isn't even trying to hide that he fucking hates western teams

[next mesa]

I mean

kinda accurate list

he has reign in b

[plush grail]

also something interesting to note

this was his first tier list

he updated it

[next mesa]

oo

whats the updated version

[raw ermine]

how did reign get higher than toronto but WJ is lower than toronto?

[plush grail]

and on the new list

[raw ermine]

better

[plush grail]

valiant went to the bottom lmao

[next mesa]

good

[plush grail]

what the fuck did valiant do during scrims that caused that

[next mesa]

glad to see my dynasty still a tier 😎

[dusty sigil]

does anyone have any pics of the 7 hour bastion skin or the 15 hour rein skin?

[plush grail]

still, atlanta above nyxl and charge?

i fucking hate the charge but for real charge < reign??

[next mesa]

scrim

[plush grail]

scrimbux

to the moon

[next mesa]

justice b tier

hm

I guess

looks like gonna be shock and dragons domination again

if every finals is them it would be pretty epic

and unsurprising

[cedar oasis]

Ratlanta too high

Smh

When we people learn

[hot onyx]

I have Reign placed below Uprising

[vivid dawn]

I think Boston is really overrated

[plush grail]

I don't think

[tropic herald]

Boston are going to be average but they very clearly look like a team that started scrimming the week of their matches

Which they did

[feral zodiac]

They kind of can't scrim

Because they don't have a team

[kind ridge]

What’s gonna happen if valiant don’t find a team by opening day

Kinda feel bad for them ngl

I wouldn’t care about what players they pick

As much as the org is dog water they don’t deserve to lose play time

[trail perch]

They prob have a team that they just havent announced yet

[novel owl]

[tight hill]

I don’t

That org is such a dick

[kind ridge]

i mean the players who got cheated on

i wanted to see agilities do better under a better coaching system

[plush grail]

im willing to bet la valiant were scrimming using a team that wasn't signed yet

maybe they suddenly went down in the rankings because some good players decided not to sign with them

[craggy acorn]

why isnt there any women in owl

atleast i havent seen any women in owl

[hot onyx]

Geguri isn’t on Dragons anymore and didn’t find another team

But if we’re not just talking about players there’s Nooky and Avalla

[forest raven]

i wouldn't be surprised if aspen was picked up for next season if she stays in the scene

[tropic herald]

Yeah she’s pretty good but she seems to never be on good tendies teams

[sullen berry]

you don't have to be on a good contenders team, not even in KR

look no further than Carpe, Fleta, or Fielder

any further

and we start looking back at names that no longer exist

[noble nexus]

skewed's team were literal nobodies and he got picked up because of his trials performance

[rare magnet]

GQ Japan Ta1yo interview https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.gqjapan.jp/culture/article/20210307-ta1yo-interview

[sullen berry]

Ta1yo such a god, taking no deals but only the best one that made sense to him

you'd need a LOT of patience and really good negotiators around you to make a decision this good

we could have lost him to pokemon or some other game like battleborn esports

──Please tell us how you became a professional gamer.

Sean "Ta1yo" Henderson: At first, when I was in elementary school, I used to play Pokemon on the NINTENDO DS with my friends around me, but when I entered junior high school, I got a computer and came across a PC game.... when I was 17, I got scouted by a professional team.

[vagrant cargo]

BK stars was good

[forest raven]

i remember bk stars getting fucking slammed by envyus in apex

[topaz ridge]

Also carpe was on faze which was also pretty alright

[tropic herald]

I guess then she didn’t perform in tryouts idk I’m not her or any team so I can’t say any specific reasons

[feral zodiac]

What is that translation

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1368640749642932229?s=21

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

According to sources, the Los Angeles Valiant are supposedly set to sign Cheng "ShowCheng" Yu, who most recently played for Flag Gaming

Twitter · Mar 7, 2021, 7:12 PM

[plush grail]

who

[raw ermine]

flex dps

[plush grail]

any good?

[raw ermine]

came 5th-6th in gauntlet

won s2 of Chinese contenders

[plush grail]

so like

okay but not like top tier

i guess?

[raw ermine]

yeah

seems like that

[next mesa]

If they sign flag gaming core

Mmonk apr1ta

Might be pog

[raw ermine]

some of them are off flag rn tho

[plush grail]

cant wait to see him get scolded in a fast food parkling lot

no

[vagrant cargo]

no

[steep zealot]

Thats not so nice tho, just asking it friendly😊

[vagrant cargo]

ok

[plush grail]

okay but like this is a chat to discuss esports not beg for retweets

[mortal abyss]

Dallas have a limo now

[steep zealot]

🔥

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/FuelYong/status/1368649044050898945?s=20

Fuel_Yong (@FuelYong)

I’m so happy today
I came back to Dallas 💙 #burnblue

Twitter · Mar 7, 2021, 7:45 PM

[raw ermine]

damnnnn

[karmic grotto]

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/danteh/status/1368384390624116742/photo/1

danteh (@danteh)

EVERYONE IS HERE!

Retweets

103

Likes

4313

Twitter · Mar 7, 2021, 2:13 AM

jake gamer chair

epic

[noble nexus]

https://twitter.com/Viol2t_OW/status/1368647916454256640

Viol2t (@Viol2t_OW)

me https://t.co/0Y5sk7kb9n

Twitter · Mar 7, 2021, 7:41 PM

so true

[raw ermine]

he said me to dps as well

I bet he said "me" to tank

[noble nexus]

best everything

all rejoice in the power of viol2t everything

🙏

[pale pivot]

Hey guys I'm a cod am trying to come over to ow and get into the comp scene but i don't really know where to start or who to talk to or how to find a team to start scriming, can you help me out potentially? I understand the game of OW pretty well and played it heavy 2016-19 until I switched to cod for comp. I went to lans and stuff for cod. Would really appreciate it!

[mortal abyss]

#lf-players-na , to find a team that you will scrim with, there's also a few other servers where you can look for teams, i can send you invites in dms if you want because i'm not sure if sharing discord links is allowed here @pale pivot

[pale pivot]

Yes please that would be greatly appreciated @mortal abyss

[cedar oasis]

Just a friendly reminder that there is a 60 percent chance that ratlanta coaching ruins one of their players

Well their good players anyway

You cant really get worse then gator and massa

[tight hill]

Kai going to get washed lmao

[cedar oasis]

Him or pelican

[wanton birch]

its 7 am and babybay just got done fukin

[raw ermine]

60% chance?

did you calculate that?

[plush grail]

cant wait to see legit every take in this channel be wrong

[karmic grotto]

Ok

Sado will be a top 3 main tank

[kind ridge]

I wish

[feral zodiac]

London suprise everyone and finish top 7

[sullen berry]

London's EU performance to OWL surprises no-one and make it into top 6 in NA regular season standings

[trail perch]

Everyone realizes that EU has been dogshit all along and london places bottom 2

[raw ermine]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Raspberry_Racers

did RR delete there own twitter?

[sullen berry]

They closed shop

and then resurfaced again for contenders this year

So I think the new twitter account made sense at the time?

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't get how finnsi is so good but performs so consistently meh every year

[raw ermine]

they recently made tweets on the account tho

[tawdry hamlet]

He has the potential but never actually wins anything

[sullen berry]

Like I might be thinking the other way round

But remember raspberry racers turned into "Obey Alliance" last year

[tawdry hamlet]

Yes

[sullen berry]

Had a good run, but their socials revamp somehow stuck with RR account

[tawdry hamlet]

Their former players list the top 6 are all obey alliance as their new team so I'd assume they turned into obey

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/kinghydron/status/1368702571301441544?s=21

Hydron (@KingHydron)

-_- https://t.co/cQeePqrGne https://t.co/89oABsXBTu

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Twitter · Mar 7, 2021, 11:18 PM

Ladder players

[earnest leaf]

played plenty of games where I could get him and i've never heard of him lmao

actual whomegalul

[tropic herald]

Trust me I have never heard of him either, must be an off hour weekend player or something idk

[earnest leaf]

Or a weirdo that queues in the morning

[tropic herald]

Must be

[raw ermine]

he's around OWC

[tropic herald]

Still have no idea how you can whomegalul Fury

[raw ermine]

oh your not talking about hydron?

[tropic herald]

Nah, watch the clip

[forest raven]

[raw ermine]

oh yeah

must be in trials

max

[forest raven]

whomegaluling a top 2 dva

[next mesa]

fury's brain is

900 iq

wait he's talking about fury

furree

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1368792633326395392

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

According to sources the Los Angeles Valiant have supposedly signed former Hangzhou Spark & Guangzhou Charge DPS Cai "Krystal" Shilong

Twitter · Mar 8, 2021, 5:16 AM

[forest raven]

oh no no no no

[next mesa]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1368801640191586305?s=19

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

Sources also stated that the Los Angeles Valiant are supposedly set to sign former The One Winner trio DPS/Tank player Zhang "Highbee" Zening, Tank player Liao "MoLanran" Yang & Tank player Han "Silver3" Haibo

Twitter · Mar 8, 2021, 5:51 AM

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1368823360512229376 @next mesa

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

Diya, Superich and Nohill will NOT be joining the Valiant https://t.co/q0SiDCFPCf

Twitter · Mar 8, 2021, 7:18 AM

[mortal abyss]

hah

[wanton birch]

Is Landon any good ?

[vagrant cargo]

I wouldnt say eu is dogshit but i can see london bottom 2

i do have them 8th tho rn i think

[plush grail]

has to be bait

[tawdry hamlet]

rip levy

bruhsfx

[hot onyx]

Moment of silence for Levy’s hopes and dreams?

[karmic grotto]

does any anyone have these green dot disappearing

[next mesa]

Oop

Oh well

Thats tragic

They're throwing

[noble nexus]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1368904524820283392

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

Multiple sources also advise that this year is just about getting through the season and will be surprised/happy if they manage a win

Twitter · Mar 8, 2021, 12:40 PM

atleast they aren't delusional

[hot onyx]

Idk man, Krystal is an absolute nut

Now he’s on a starting spot he gets mvp

[plush grail]

god imagine being signed to a owl team and then you see this

that must be depressing

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1368903432346755074

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

According to sources the Los Angeles Valiant are potentially going to sign a rookie main support by the name of Baolongxing.

Baolongxing is a apparently known to both the Chinese and Korean scene as a streamer and is someone who is know to troll etc on both ranked ladders.

Likes

116

Twitter · Mar 8, 2021, 12:36 PM

holy shit valiant are down BAD

[raw ermine]

Jeez

Manage A win?

[karmic grotto]

not gonna lie

either you have a troll or a toxic bastard

[plush grail]

just put the valiant out of its misery

imagine going from winning a stage, to going fully budget and then going even lower than fully budget

[raw ermine]

when does frogger get signed to OWL?

[barren quest]

Valiant org has been a clown fiesta ever since the In-N-out fisaco

Probably even before that

[vagrant cargo]

Who in that roster is a toxic bastard

[hot onyx]

Damn valiant are truly broke and desperate

[karmic grotto]

being troll doesn't mean he is bad?

look how many trolls there are in top 500

supposed to be better rank

[raw ermine]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/World_Game_Star_Phoenix

my boy kalios is back

ez clap

[sleek lark]

Does anyone know an APAC or OCE console league?

[cedar oasis]

I didn't know there were any OCE leagues

[woven acorn]

You have Australia Contenders

but not sure about anything else

[raw ermine]

console doesn't really have any presence in the esports scene

[woven acorn]

true

everything is basically PC

[mortal abyss]

U cld try and play in CGL but that’s only Na/EU

[worn falcon]

🤔

[raw ermine]

chiyo zen?

[worn falcon]

Ado is alive

[raw ermine]

yeah

[worn falcon]

sanguinar pepehands

[feral zodiac]

I thought although was meant to be owl quality

[tawdry hamlet]

Not enough spots and too much talent

[next mesa]

ah yes

[feral zodiac]

Too much talent
Vancouver and la:

[quartz cairn]

is that the rosters

or something

[barren quest]

I bet Valiant is going to turn out like S1 Dragons

Aka losing everything

[quartz cairn]

42-0

😩

[trail perch]

I think yall are shitting on the valiant before they even have a roster

and ur really understating how good china is at ow

especially if they get krystal and way

wya

[earnest leaf]

Remember people are shitting on the org, and hope the players themselves do well. But a team of mismatch players thrown together a month before owl won't do well

[cedar oasis]

Valiant will probably be better then ratlanta

[barren quest]

Players may actually be good but the org will always have a bad reputation since the In-N-Out fiasco

We'll have to wait and see

[balmy wolf]

its getting annoying

[plush grail]

IGC gonna re-do the in-n-out stuff but instead the IGC owner is gonna be talking to the LGE owner

[cedar oasis]

Imagine having bad coaching

Couldent be most of the teams in owl

[hard comet]

are collegiate teams primarily made up of masters and grandmaster players? or is it more like a mix of high diamond and masters players?

[sand violet]

i hope krystal plays at his peak again

[trail perch]

I think GM

[sand violet]

looks insane

then gets signed to another team

[trail perch]

Like maryvale

[sand violet]

collegiate has a huge range of sr teams

asking what sr collegiate is is like asking what sr are overwatch teams

there are silver collegiate teams, there are top500 collegiate teams

it depends on what school youre looking at

[hard comet]

ohhhh

okay, I'm just watching the most recent collegiate championships broadcast

[cedar oasis]

Imagine being a ratlanta fan

And not just like Kia or pelican

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/flmayhem/status/1369015618163253249?s=21

Florida Mayhem (@FLMayhem)

Summer tournaments are SO last year... https://t.co/lW3sjZMM0j

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Twitter · Mar 8, 2021, 8:02 PM

[digital cloud]

but no mention of the teams?

or is it an open tournament . . .

[raw ermine]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Innocent_Revolters

these guy formed in a few months lol

[sullen berry]

imagine being banned and fined in 2021

at this point, I'm guessing it's no longer a thing

especially if meant jack to yaki

[plush light]

Where is kaiser?

[raw ermine]

he left O2 blast

and is kinda just existing

hasn't tweeted for a few weeks tho

[next mesa]

At least DIYA got offered

And then he just said

"i don't wanna join your bum ass team"

[karmic grotto]

he trying to pull a

whats his name again

[tawdry hamlet]

good for Diya lowkey

[mortal abyss]

Yeah considering they might have gone winless i can't imagine how bad that would be for Diya's mental

[tawdry hamlet]

Being the main veteran presence would probably be a lot of pressure for him and having to carry the entire old shanghai he wasn't interested in being in another dog shit team

Yeah exactly

He at points on old shanghai looked like he was going to break down after losses that were close so idk if having another winless run is on his agenda

[red bluff]

When does owl start again

[raw ermine]

check #esports-news, they have a tweet a few messages up detailing everything

[mortal abyss]

April 16th is the first day of OWL this year

[cedar oasis]

Kaiser is better then gator

[balmy wolf]

kaiser god

[cedar oasis]

No

Gator just bad

[balmy wolf]

ok

good fo you

[trail perch]

Kaiser is a really good rein, idk about his other MT tho

Gator might be better on orisa and maybe even ball

[next mesa]

.

[cedar oasis]

why dont atlanta get benbest

[trail perch]

why dont atlanta replace Sefi

Sephy

Sefy

Whatever his name is

[raw ermine]

sephy

[ebon iron]

bcus they arent smart

they think bcus sephy got top 6 in s2, he deserves to be a HC

same thing happening with dpei, except dpei is competent

[next mesa]

Sephy scouts good dps talent doe

[feral zodiac]

Dps signings go brrrr

[digital cloud]

The scouting is basically having eyes

Wasn’t like he found Ans

He found fucking pelican, edison, and Kai, known amazing players

[raw ermine]

sephy didn't FIND them

they were always highly rated

[balmy wolf]

he knows how to get them

good convincing

[next mesa]

dafran sinatraa

[plush grail]

IMT is the real coach goat

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/ShusMoneyCrew/status/1369332188370599942

Shu's Money Crew (@ShusMoneyCrew)

⚔️ THE SMC DPS LINE ⚔️

⏳🇫🇮 @Saunamestari
👊🇸🇪 @Danneddow
🧨🇸🇪 @Spee_OW (sub)

#RUNSMC👟

Twitter · Mar 9, 2021, 5:00 PM

Danedd's still here!

[plush grail]

why did london never pick him up

[next mesa]

because blase is better

[plush grail]

thats a rare sentence

legit 1/1

[cedar oasis]

1 in a trillion

[cedar oasis]

nah the wrolds gonna end now that you said that

[cedar oasis]

Now that I think about it

Has Seoul ever had a good consistent main tank

[raw ermine]

Marve1

[next mesa]

yes

[hot onyx]

Just had someone say Ellivote is “way better than Poko” and I have lost faith in the human brain as a whole