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jolly steeple
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He words his leaks so that he can back out on them if theyre wrong

next mesa
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49/52 if you count assassin

jolly steeple
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which is dumb

noble nexus
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he words them as if they aren't 100%

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it's not like he doesn't acknowledge him being wrong

cedar oasis
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Isnt he like

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According to sources this team will sign this player

noble nexus
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yes

trail perch
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his only major miss was third impact being signed

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But that was almost a year ago at this point, people need to move on and start trusting him again

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He has an over 90% correct rate of all time

digital cloud
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alternatively, I can continue to not trust someone who is intentionally vague, cannot provide sources, and who is still more wrong than is generally acceptable

earnest leaf
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After doubling down and getting the valiant shit right, it's hard to not trust him imo

digital cloud
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he was wrong until he clarified there

earnest leaf
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Sure he's fucked up before. But it generally seems he's right

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I meant the roster

limber pine
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The problem is how people interpret leaks.

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Rumors and leaks can change in an instant; Look at the whole Fusions to LA trade debacle

trail perch
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In that situation, I feel bad for asking

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His grind almost payed off

tawdry hamlet
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Grike just hates on halo for some reason pensivewobble

digital cloud
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I don't hate on him, I just think he could be a far better source than he is

plush light
digital cloud
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I already said I do not hate on him

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thinking someone can be better != hate on

willow drum
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Has Smurf won a Role Stars yet?

cedar oasis
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We need some more good main supports theres only like 4 top tier ones

plush light
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Who do you consider top tier?

willow drum
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I would consider Tobi, Leejaegon, Moth and FDGod

earnest leaf
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Funnyastro is good as well

willow drum
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ye and astro

plush light
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I think that moth, fdgod, funnyastro, tobi, and sleep are all top tier.

cedar oasis
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I dont think tobi is there

raw ermine
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sleep?

willow drum
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Tobi has some insane mercy

plush light
raw ermine
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oh yeah

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just saw that

willow drum
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yeah hes busted, anamo.

plush light
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I think idk and slime both have to potential to be up there

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But we forgot about kuki, the best main support to touch the game.

cedar oasis
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Idk is kinda washed tho

willow drum
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Yeah IDK and Slime aren't "S Tier"

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but they're good nonetheless

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I still think Shock might win OWL season 4 tbh

plush light
mortal abyss
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B O I N K

willow drum
plush light
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Also Lucio dad

willow drum
plush light
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Luciodad is gonna carry the boston uprising to a 1st place finish and a perfect record. Not a single map loss.

next mesa
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tobi > anamo

karmic grotto
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Redshell > tobi

earnest leaf
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nah

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Frogger > redshell

slow kraken
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Redshell Yikes

raw ermine
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McGravy coach

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ooh

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the LAV tank line lives

sullen berry
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Adam and Unter officially back on the same team since Contenders AU

raw ermine
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just like muma, he joined revival, then joined darkmode NA as a coach

balmy wolf
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any showmatches or anything happening between now and the start of owl?

limber pine
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I don't think so.

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Just the start

balmy wolf
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shame :/

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i was hoping shock vs the world was gonna be like runaway vs south korea

next mesa
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Ikr

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Trash :/

plush grail
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1 hour event

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with only 1 fun game

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stuff like the roadhog minigame is fun to play

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but nobody likes watching it at all

mortal abyss
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Sooo apparently Astro isn’t going to be with the fusion until like mid may 😭 , who do you think Fusion will pick up to replace him from KRC

earnest leaf
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He'll probably play on ping for a bit

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If they can't get him in korea in time

mortal abyss
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UK to korea ping is horrible though

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Way worse than UK to NA from what I’ve heard

earnest leaf
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Yea probably like 250 ping or something

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FDgod in france was getting 300 ping to Korea servers for scrims

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I think at least

craggy sandal
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They could sign rain for a 30 day contract

mortal abyss
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Wait

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Isn’t Chara on T1

craggy sandal
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I’m pretty sure he’s a coach

mortal abyss
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Oh

cedar oasis
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I mean

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Does astro need it

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Does he need good ping to win

noble nexus
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yes

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just like any other player

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lol

limber pine
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EU to KR is quite a bit

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if it was EU to NA or NA to KR, then maybe there's a discussion

slow kraken
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Supports don’t really need that low ping

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Like a mercy or lucio

cedar oasis
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I mean

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Didnt paris win the summer showdown with fielder on 200 ping

raw ermine
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yeah

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on zen and bap

cedar oasis
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Those are both harder then lucio

mortal abyss
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Idk what fielders exact ping was

tawdry hamlet
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Hmm tbf bap at the time was like peak bap

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Same with brig

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Bap brig were nuts back then FUCKYEAH

cedar oasis
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But he was top tier

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Against philly and shock

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On 200 ping

next mesa
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fielder landed that game winning sleep on decay on 200 ping

raw ermine
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game winning?

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when was this?

mortal abyss
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KR to NA is much worse then EU to KR

tawdry hamlet
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pretty sure na to kr is about 7k miles and eu to kr is about 6k but I will have to look it up

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ah my bad 7k is australia kr is more like 5k to west coast na

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there you go

mortal abyss
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um

cedar oasis
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So Toronto

mortal abyss
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maybe fusion

earnest leaf
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inb4 shock and they have 5 dps again

wanton birch
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why toronto ?

mortal abyss
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Maybe Rascal is going to play brig for fusion PogChimp

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Maybe he's switching to VAL 😦

cedar oasis
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Didnt he say Toronto would pay fully for him

mortal abyss
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idk

earnest leaf
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if we want to go reddit detective mode for a minute, he is following a fusion coach and philly's main account

mortal abyss
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lol

next mesa
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shitttt

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carpe/rascal

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with pogwave?

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👀

mortal abyss
cedar oasis
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Pogwave

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You mean cockwave

raw ermine
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cockwave and ballton torture

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lmaoooo

mortal abyss
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6 eyes in the tweet, "fusion" is 6 letters PogChimp

cedar oasis
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Most other teams have a flex dps

raw ermine
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toronto is known as the 6ix

wanton birch
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bless up that he doesnt go to toronto

earnest leaf
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watch rascal go onto the talent team for OWL or something

wanton birch
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go to apac pliz

cedar oasis
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Lmaoo

raw ermine
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or valorant oof

cedar oasis
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I just remembered architect is in the league

mortal abyss
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I could genuinely see philly fielding him on brig or bap if astro isn't avaliable to play

next mesa
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okay guys listen

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rascal has 6 letters

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theres 6 eyes

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he has 2 championships

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6-2 = 4

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how many grammies does drake have?

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thats right

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4

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👀

mortal abyss
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LMFAO

next mesa
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its confirmed

cedar oasis
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Nahh

raw ermine
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you could have just said the 6ix, as drake calls toronto the 6ix

next mesa
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never heard of that lmao

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I live in toronto for reference

raw ermine
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as do I

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its dumb

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the reason is

cedar oasis
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Ha nerds

raw ermine
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the area codes

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have 6's in them

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416

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and 647

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but now we have a 3rd area code

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it doesn't have a 6 in it

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but it has a 4

mortal abyss
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It makes more sense for him to go to philly cuase of Ninek

raw ermine
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so we should be called the 4our

mortal abyss
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Wait he only just started following Chris and the Fusion twitter

raw ermine
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indeed

cedar oasis
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Why did architec get so much worse

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Like people dont even talk about him anymore

mortal abyss
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Spark as a whole were just really forgettable last year

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Didn't Rascal have LFT in his twitter bio before?

raw ermine
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yeah

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it seems he contemplated the decision to go lft or not

mortal abyss
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hmm

trail perch
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6 yees

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eyes

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each pair of eyes is 2

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Therefore 3 emojis

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3

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3peat?

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Rascal resigned with shock

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Confirmed

mortal abyss
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if that actually happens though

trail perch
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Rn i actually dont have shock as my favorite to win the season

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Their dps line is underwelming on any meta that doesnt have tracer

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If rascal resigns easy number 1

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3peat guarenteed

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Nero is bascially a pharah onetrick compared to rascal

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rascal is still prob better at pharah

mortal abyss
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He's probably going to fusion i think it's really unlikely Shock decided to offer him more money

trail perch
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Also rn who covers echo? Glister? back on london although played echo

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I think he signs with shock or toronro

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toronto

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Eqo

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Is just very very very good

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and shockwave is there now

mortal abyss
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On genji and pharah sure

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they don't have a good mei or sombra player

trail perch
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Who would rascal play?

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They would basically sign him for mei

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Bc I think shockwave could cover sombra

mortal abyss
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Junkrat

trail perch
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With his heropool

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Eqo junk

cedar oasis
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Soldier

trail perch
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Carpe

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carpe also played junk last season

mortal abyss
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Rascal's pharah is better then eqo's imo

mortal abyss
trail perch
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Yeah but would u sacrifice 3 years of playing with that team for a slight improvement

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Poke Carpe Eqo all s1

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And yes ik the whole sado thing counters this

mortal abyss
trail perch
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Bc they did just throw away 3 years of synergy for a slight improvement

mortal abyss
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i'm pretty sure Sado wanted to go

trail perch
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I do thing that Mano is slightly better

mortal abyss
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he wanted to play under kdg

trail perch
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Thats fair

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I didnt know that

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I thought they just dropped him for mano

mortal abyss
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Also Rascal can play brig/bap if astro isn't able to play for the first 1/4 of the season

trail perch
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Ok well now I can see it, you have the second best s2 brig, and the best s2 bap

mortal abyss
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His brig and bap are both a tier at least imo

trail perch
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Who can flex onto dps

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Imagine rascal the main support

mortal abyss
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lol

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Didn't he play support for a bit at the start of S3

trail perch
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They transfer him from the best flex dps to the best MS

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Yeah he did

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He played brig

mortal abyss
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ah

trail perch
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Architect played ana

mortal abyss
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I remember that lmao

trail perch
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Ok wait hot take

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Architect>Rascal

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I think architect is a top 5 dps player

mortal abyss
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Architect kinda had a down year last year but he defo could if he plays up to his S2 standard

trail perch
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I mean, he plays literally everything

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All dps

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Support

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Zarya

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Really the last true flex we have after hotba doesnt have a team

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I mean mirror but still

mortal abyss
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wait hotba RETIRED?!

trail perch
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I assume so bc he was dogshit

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And he didnt find a team

mortal abyss
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Role lock defo hurt him as a player

trail perch
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I mean s1 hotba moira

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And hotba tracer

mortal abyss
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I didn't watch S1 were his moira and Tracer any good?

trail perch
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He played moira in goats, and philly did ok

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His tracer was sick

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His flexability was prob the reason they did so well in playoffs

cedar oasis
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Literally every top 5 flex dps can play everything

noble nexus
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oh god oh fuck

raw ermine
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yep

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he just followed a bunch of fusion ppl

trail perch
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6 eyes

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Toronto

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Here He comes

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6ix

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6 eyes, fusion, 6 letters fusion

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3 pairs of eyes, 3peat, shock

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Rascals korean, seoul

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Imagine a rascal profit dps line

mortal abyss
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i just screamed without the s

noble nexus
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he followed an assistant coach for philly and the philly team

mortal abyss
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Yeah

noble nexus
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imagine he just goes back to the shock

inland flare
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Punk is better than GBS.

raw ermine
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idk about that

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GBS was one of the hottest prospects of the offseason, and just won Korean contenders

inland flare
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ok and?

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I got a 4.0 GPA

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I should be in Harvard pogo

digital cloud
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winning korean contenders is not equivalent to being in harvard from a 4.0

raw ermine
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yeah korean contenders is much hardest than harvard

cedar oasis
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Idk about that

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It's gotten easier over the years

digital cloud
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I mean, a few thousand people go to Harvard a year?

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how many win contenders?

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not a lot

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but either way, a 4.0 is not what you would need to get into harvard, and that is not the gameplay equivalent of what you need to do to win gauntlent anyway

next mesa
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how many people in contenders how many people apply to harvard

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you know this comparaison is literal asscheeks

brittle sleet
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any updates on when the roadhog skin will be available for purhcase?

mortal abyss
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Nope

mortal abyss
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Rascal to mayhem?!

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He also just unfollowed christerfer and started following glads fuel Seoul and Boston

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He’s still following the fusion account

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That’s such a rascal thing to do lmfao

digital cloud
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You nerds

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Just wait for him to announce

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This obsessive tracking of rascal is kinda weird

mortal abyss
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👀👀👀

karmic grotto
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Lmao

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Thyere trolling

worn falcon
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hope my boy goes somewhere

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still Libero

next mesa
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paris one of them?

raw ermine
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Valiant?

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Lul

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uprising academy in KR trials

balmy wolf
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its probs paris and titans who got blacklisted

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those teams looked pretty poor on paper

balmy wolf
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Fight me

plush grail
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Fucking everything man

sullen berry
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Their rebranding never caught up on discord

earnest leaf
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Rascal trolling everyone now by following glads/boston/seoul/dallas lmao

gloomy swan
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Rascal: 6 eyes
Fusion 0-6 in finals 🤔

mortal abyss
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Fusion is 6 letters long

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So is Philly

plush grail
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so is boston PogChimp

plush light
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If I can play tracer on 400 ping, ASTRO can play Lucio with 300 ping

sullen berry
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You do realise fusion moving their base in Korea

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So astro will be the second western OWL player setting up shop for the regular season along with Poko and EQO

mortal abyss
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Wonder when Rascal will announce whatever he's announcing

cedar oasis
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What if he just doesnt announce anything and just trolls everyone

mortal abyss
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lol

raw ermine
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retire has 6 letters...

raw ermine
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this might be nothing, or it might be an allusion to paris being blacklisted?

cedar oasis
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Choker has 6 letters

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Philly choked the most last year

rancid crest
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So would shock still be dominant as a team this coming season or do other teams have an equally skilled roster to match them

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Like you know, a "star studded roster" as such

digital cloud
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looks like glads and shanghai might be better at this point

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somewhat unclear if it is true, however

rancid crest
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Shanghai were looking very dominant last season tbh

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They clutched in that Winston play

cedar oasis
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They downgraded on main tank

tepid ibex
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shock still have a very strong tank line and support line but now their are definitely stronger dps lines in the league

next mesa
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just dragons

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probs

cedar oasis
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Ngl I think fate is on the same skill level as oge

next mesa
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bruh

wanton birch
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I think glads should have kept cloudy

digital cloud
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why

raw ermine
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did you just watch the super video? :)

digital cloud
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they have a good team now?

next mesa
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yes

wanton birch
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What did super post

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Oh him getting beaten by cloudy on na XD

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Nah I just think cloudy is pretty good on rein and saw that he got rank 1 on two servers

next mesa
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cloudy's rein is undoubtedly nasty

wanton birch
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The flanking shatters

raw ermine
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he got dominated by cloudy

next mesa
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but in this day of age like u also gotta be playin something else

raw ermine
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but the way super stalled on ball was pretty nice

next mesa
wanton birch
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Why was super playing zarya in the first place

raw ermine
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He had a team of chex and asfjerome lol

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he wasn't

digital cloud
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whichever tank glads have rn >>>> cloudy

raw ermine
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he was on rein

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he meant super's tank partner for that match

wanton birch
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You would only have cloudy as a rein specialist

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Kinda like super omega lol

cedar oasis
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That's not worth the money

raw ermine
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50k for a rein specialist

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lul xd

cedar oasis
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Nahhn

raw ermine
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and housing

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and food

cedar oasis
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Cloudy Is meh

earnest leaf
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Don't forget glads won maps basically because cloudy made them play an ooga booga style

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His rein is actually nasty af

cedar oasis
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Oogaa booga style

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Did they do that to any good teams

ebon iron
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kinda titans

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the back when they had runaway

cedar oasis
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Actually playing a against a good main tank then playing against Oooga booga style would be hard

balmy wolf
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Sinatraa just tweeted he's done with his valorant team. Do you think this means he might come back to owl?

frank granite
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sinatraa is 6 letters so its possible

raw ermine
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he was joking

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its a copypasta

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even if he was telling the truth and was done, which he isn't, he most certainly wouldn't return to OWL

next mesa
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https://twitter.com/Sentinels/status/1364347592906334215

Sentinels (@Sentinels)

@sinatraa I am straight up done with Sentinels. These guys simply have no respect for anyone or anything. They already do the unnecessarily vulgar action of "teab*gging" in official matches, and are always making a joke of the game on twitter. And now they are buying odins in scrims? These

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if it wasnt clear

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💀

digital cloud
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was this after losing to envy?

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lol

raw ermine
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apparently he was teabagging someone for 30 seconds straight

next mesa
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open scrim soon?

raw ermine
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and I guess either someone got really pissed off, or sinatraa saw a bunch of ppl typing similar things, and made it up

digital cloud
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pretty sure that copy pasta was around for a while

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the odins thing was a reference to when they scrimmed tsm, for instance

raw ermine
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I guess odin is an item?

mortal abyss
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It’s a meme gun

next mesa
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yes

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its this machine gun

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anyway

digital cloud
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not that much of a meme, the wall penetration and pinging stuff you can do makes it viable in several situations

raw ermine
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memechine gun

digital cloud
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but you only really want one, not a full buy of them

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iirc, sen still won the round that they did that on though lol

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that is the ow difference

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just built differently

earnest leaf
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super has talked about wanting to livestream one of his scrims before

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maybe we could get shock vs justice scrims live 👀

craggy sandal
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Super and space both planned on making teams to scrim with live but super just didn’t make his

earnest leaf
mortal abyss
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Wow

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Good

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Honestly depending on how/when these players get picked up valiant might go winless

noble nexus
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tbf I don't even think Valiant have a team to scrim with

earnest leaf
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The joke is valiant doesn't have a roster atm

noble nexus
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that

earnest leaf
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also valiant whoever they get can probably sneak a win

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remember seoul is still in apac

mortal abyss
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Oh yeah loll

next mesa
cedar oasis
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Why is no one talking about the hunters

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Why are they rated so low

raw ermine
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people probably think everyone else has done better

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I gotta make my power rankings...

cedar oasis
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They new main tank is one of the best doe

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So is their dps

raw ermine
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actually I will wait til this server does an event where I can win OWL tokens

cedar oasis
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They only part that isnt top tier is their supports

next mesa
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if only they had lige

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not elsa

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actually 1987 I think best fs

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talent

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maybe

craggy sandal
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I think Elsa will be decent with an actual main tank player and with rui back

sand violet
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People sleep on hunters

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Even if you're worried about Elsa Nisha/yveltal that's still a roster with 4 really really strong players

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Not to mention we don't know how Elsa will he with coaching and an actual roster since he's always had shitty coaching a shitty roster and forced to play in weird comps that aren't good for ot players

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So it could even end up having 5 decent slots

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People just sleep on hunters cuz they don't know about Chinese talent

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They don't understand how good a core of Gaga/leave/Kaneki/Jimmy/1987 is

worn falcon
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Chengdu for OWL championship this year

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Shock what

tropic herald
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Please

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I am craving pro play rn

cedar oasis
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Now that hunters have a good main tank they are going to be better

mortal abyss
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Nothing will truly replace the yottachad 😩

tropic herald
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Also another interesting tweet

next mesa
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lmao like we'll believe AT beats 80% of owl teams omegalul

tropic herald
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That doesn’t even surprise me

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That they would have beaten that amount of teams

sand violet
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The part I find harder to believe is that eternal aren't losing scrims, not that at beat most of owl lmao

digital cloud
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80% seems high

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But AT is pretty good

sand violet
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It's not like every team is try Harding in every scrim anyways

tropic herald
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True

worn falcon
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thats possible considering many can be rusty or not tryharding

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just trying comps and such

sand violet
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But it's probably inflated just like him saying they've won every scrim in t2

tropic herald
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Scrims rn aren’t who is the best

digital cloud
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True, scrimbux don’t mean too much anyway

earnest leaf
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scrims rn are probably getting new players used to the teams

tropic herald
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It’s all trying to find the meta rn

worn falcon
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and considering there still some patches coming before owl

earnest leaf
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since the meta will most likely be irrelevant for when owl starts

digital cloud
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Yeah, I mean, maybe they keep bugging reaper lol

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Buffing

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Stupid autocorrect

tropic herald
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I think if they did an overall nerf to damage boosts that would be a good move but I have no idea where they are trying to push the meta rn

digital cloud
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To one people like, I imagine

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Though of course 99% of the focus is ow2

tropic herald
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Honestly if the meta isn’t Orisa based then I think it will be a fun meta to watch

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That’s all they have to do

worn falcon
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if rein is back, better re-sign cloudy

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we need some pumper strats in owl

tropic herald
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I feel like everything I drop in here is just scrimbux and power rankings at this point

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I need the season to start please

digital cloud
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reign above defiant, justice and charge?

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seems kinda crazy, ngl

tepid ibex
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valiant above other teams? tf

slow kraken
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^

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London will probs be C tier

cedar oasis
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Where do you get off like that putting Atlanta that high

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And mayhem

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And valiant

raw ermine
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they just assume valiant will be better than 5 teams?

balmy wolf
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atlanta above justice im not sure

#

i think they are above defiant tho

stray panther
#

Yh i would put hunters nyxl atlanta and houston in c tier

cedar oasis
#

Why do people think Atlanta is good

#

It's been proven that having good dps isnt enough to carry a team

balmy wolf
#

why do you think its shit

raw ermine
#

they probably see dps and go mmmmmmmm

cedar oasis
#

Atlanta have a bottom 5 mt

raw ermine
#

tanks and supports are much more important

balmy wolf
#

they didnt have good dps besides edison last year

stray panther
#

Their tank and supp line is pretty poor

raw ermine
#

Justice and defiant are ahead in that regard

cedar oasis
#

Literly bottom 5 tank and support line

balmy wolf
#

idk about that

#

you see them lose and think gator and hawk are shit

cedar oasis
#

Gator is shit tho

balmy wolf
#

nah gator is great

#

i think he is better than hawk

#

hawk is weaker

cedar oasis
#

Literally can only think of like 4 owl tanks that gator is better then

balmy wolf
#

you think sado is top tier

raw ermine
#

sado was cracked last year

cedar oasis
#

He was

balmy wolf
#

hes good on one hero

raw ermine
#

1?

cedar oasis
#

Prob not this year

balmy wolf
#

monke

cedar oasis
#

Hmmmmmmmm

#

Rien

#

Orisa

#

Those dont exist

balmy wolf
#

his orisa is good year

#

yeah

raw ermine
#

he made it to the semifinals of the SS on orisa, he was cracked at the start on rein, idk about his ball tho

balmy wolf
#

but like middle

cedar oasis
#

His rien monke and orisa were all top 5

mortal abyss
#

Sado was top 3 last year

balmy wolf
#

hmmmm

#

im not sold on sado

#

he looks lost without perfect setup

#

mano is an upgrade

cedar oasis
#

London Vancouver and paris maybey valiant are the only teams where the main tank is worse then gator

balmy wolf
#

you would kill me if i said gator > sado

mortal abyss
#

No way is gator better then sado tf

cedar oasis
#

I would kill you if you said gator wasent bottom 5

balmy wolf
#

but gator > stand1 for sure

cedar oasis
#

No

#

Your smoking something

balmy wolf
#

sado is better on monke tho

#

nah

#

clean since birth

cedar oasis
#

Stand 1 played for like a month in the begining of the season and he was top tier when he was playing

#

Gator peaked on sigma in season 2

balmy wolf
#

the month they lost 3-0 to chengdu

next mesa
#

when did they ever

cedar oasis
#

What

next mesa
#

i think ur thinking about seoul

balmy wolf
#

first game

cedar oasis
#

Did they?

#

First game

#

Lmao

balmy wolf
#

they did im pretty sure

cedar oasis
#

First game

balmy wolf
#

against chengdu

cedar oasis
#

That's like chipsa 100 present win rate

#

Lmao

balmy wolf
#

look

#

top tier team still wins with chipsa

#

doesnt mean stand1 is good

cedar oasis
#

He was tho

#

Go watch him when he played

#

He played good

balmy wolf
#

he looked good cause his team is cracked

cedar oasis
#

No..

#

So every main tank looks good because they have a good team

balmy wolf
#

good team doesnt equal good tank yes

#

but smurf is the best mt

cedar oasis
#

Ahh I understand now

balmy wolf
#

even tho hes on a good team

cedar oasis
#

Hmm yes sure

#

Even tho smurf rien and ball aren't s tier

#

Hes still the best

balmy wolf
#

yes

#

best on 2 heroes is enough

cedar oasis
#

No

#

Its not

balmy wolf
#

if you have super

cedar oasis
#

Lmaooooo

#

Ok sure

#

Smurf is the best because he doesnt need to play half the tanks

#

Lmao

balmy wolf
#

his ball is s tier tho

#

not best

cedar oasis
#

It's not

#

His ball is ok

balmy wolf
#

it is

#

whos the best ball?

cedar oasis
#

Mano

#

Or ameng

balmy wolf
#

ameng lol

#

meme

cedar oasis
#

I would think he is the best at the one hero he plays

#

Like cloudy

balmy wolf
#

hes benched by gaga on ball already

cedar oasis
#

Their new mt

balmy wolf
#

yes

cedar oasis
#

One of the best out of contenders

balmy wolf
#

eventho gaga is s tier

#

well see

#

you can underrate gator

#

cause hes western

cedar oasis
#

Name 5 tanks he is better then

#

In owl

#

Currently

balmy wolf
#

but i think hes really solid

#

i did

#

hadi, daan, sado, shredlock, stand1

cedar oasis
#

Sado

#

Yes

#

Sado

balmy wolf
#

if you want more: oge, jjangu and the lavaliant non existant mt

#

it might be a hot take on sado

digital cloud
#

gator better than sado?

cedar oasis
#

Oge aswel

digital cloud
#

not sure about that

balmy wolf
#

but he can prove me wrong

digital cloud
#

oge might be washed, I think, but if not

cedar oasis
#

This is the crimzo jehong thing again

balmy wolf
#

what thing?

#

im sure sado is better on monke

#

but rein orisa

#

ball they are equal

digital cloud
#

orisa I think gator might be better

cedar oasis
#

Did you watch owl?

digital cloud
#

but rein?

balmy wolf
#

i wouldve said sado on ball

digital cloud
#

sado definitely better

cedar oasis
#

My brain hurts

mortal abyss
#

Sado legitimately fucked on rein at the beginning of season 3

balmy wolf
#

but i watched gators ball a bit

digital cloud
#

his ball was meh when I saw it

cedar oasis
#

Sado was top 3 rien

balmy wolf
#

sado was shit in goats

#

reinhardt!

mortal abyss
#

That was 2 years ago

balmy wolf
#

cause shit supports

mortal abyss
#

You realise people can improve

balmy wolf
#

i do

digital cloud
#

sado was a t5 tank last year

#

rein included

balmy wolf
#

i dont think so

#

call me dumb

digital cloud
#

I don't think you are dumb

#

I think you are wrong

balmy wolf
#

thats fine

#

i like that

cedar oasis
#

I will call you dumb however

balmy wolf
#

go for it lol

#

the sado thing is the only wild take tho

#

i agrre with your takes mostly

cedar oasis
#

No your dumb thinking gator isnt bottom 5

balmy wolf
#

brooo

#

you underrate him fr

mortal abyss
#

I do believe that Sado wouldn't be elite without Alarm/Astro but he would still be a decent MT, from what it seems KDG really helped him grow as a player

balmy wolf
#

yes

digital cloud
#

I have been of the opinion that gator and hawk were better than they appeared due to their performance in gauntlet, and that they did badly due to their support line and atl coaching

cedar oasis
#

Gator has proved that he is trash

digital cloud
#

however, it seems likely that even if that is the case

#

that it isn't going to change

#

atl still has trash support

#

and still bad coaching

#

so imo, it doesn't really matter

balmy wolf
#

masaa isnt good i agree

#

but lris

#

is very good

#

mid tier supps

cedar oasis
#

No

#

One mid tier and one low tier dont make the pair mid ter

#

It makes them TRASH

balmy wolf
#

i think lris is top tier tho

#

hate me

#

but hes lik myoungbong

#

jsut more mechanically gifted

vagrant cargo
#

based on what

#

he popped in a weak region

cedar oasis
#

Hmmmmmmm

vagrant cargo
#

and has struggled in OWL

raw ermine
#

bruh myung is fcking cracked

vagrant cargo
#

how is he comparable or even better than myunbong

balmy wolf
#

im watching his streams

vagrant cargo
#

like myun was the best flex support in tier 2

#

bro

#

thats ranked

#

R A N K E D

#

even sleepy can look good in ranked

balmy wolf
#

bro its korean ranked

vagrant cargo
#

still?

#

korean ranked is not better than NA contenders lmao

balmy wolf
#

it is tho xD

vagrant cargo
#

yes

#

absolutely

cedar oasis
#

What are you smoking

balmy wolf
#

he shits on jonak and myoung

vagrant cargo
#

because random pug players w no synergy are always better than trained scrimming teams

#

with coaching

balmy wolf
#

korean top 500 is full of owl

vagrant cargo
#

and the level of play is not way lower no no

#

so is NA top 500 xd

#

it does not matter its still ranked

balmy wolf
#

im talking mechanically

#

can you read

vagrant cargo
#

even mechanically he is not better

balmy wolf
#

he is

vagrant cargo
#

based on what?

#

ranked

balmy wolf
#

yes

vagrant cargo
#

when u only watched his streams

balmy wolf
#

i watch a lot of korean fs

digital cloud
#

top 500 also has emongg, harb, kephrii, etc

#

so ranked doesn't mean much

vagrant cargo
#

its easier to be mechanically dominant in ranked than in actual matches because less pressure from enemy dps and tanks

balmy wolf
#

na ranked is a shitshow

vagrant cargo
#

like basing a players skill of his ranked streams

#

is the most plat shit ive ever heard

balmy wolf
#

bruuuuuh

vagrant cargo
#

and everyone who has somewhat decent knowledge of the scene would laugh at u for that take

balmy wolf
#

the dps on kr ranked are profit decay xzi

#

ask pro players then

#

of course its not better synergy

vagrant cargo
#

im friends w multiple

#

i dont need to ask them

digital cloud
#

bull

vagrant cargo
#

i know that they would clown u for that shit

balmy wolf
#

but mechanically kr ranked is better than na contendies

digital cloud
#

ranked better than contendies . . .

vagrant cargo
#

mechanics do not matter nearly as much as actual matches

balmy wolf
#

yep

vagrant cargo
#

in actual matches*

digital cloud
#

AT felt a chill . . .

noble nexus
#

ranked doesn't play the same way actual owl matches do

#

same with contendies for that matter

balmy wolf
#

at is the only good team

#

of course

#

thats why i say mechanically

digital cloud
#

contenders teams beat any ranked team that isn't made up of pro teams/other contenders teams

balmy wolf
#

mechanically

vagrant cargo
#

bro still u cant compare it because its not coordinated whatsoever

balmy wolf
#

hello

vagrant cargo
#

and no pro tries as hard in ranked as in actual matches

#

mechanics get affected in actual matches because its a lot harder to aim while having coordinated dps and tanks in ur face

noble nexus
#

didn't atlanta have iris last season?

balmy wolf
#

for 7 matches i think

noble nexus
#

he was on the team for 7 matches or he played 7 matches?

balmy wolf
#

played

noble nexus
#

because if he was benched by dogman that doesn't help his case

balmy wolf
#

benched dogman fast

digital cloud
#

he is better than dogman, definitely

balmy wolf
#

he had 0 synergy and still did good

digital cloud
#

many, many people are better than dogman

noble nexus
#

yeah obviously

balmy wolf
#

i like dogman but he was shit

vagrant cargo
#

he didnt do good

noble nexus
#

atlanta coaching just sucks ig

vagrant cargo
#

he actually did pretty shit

#

lmao

#

especialy for his standards

#

he was expected to do very well because he popped in NA contenders

balmy wolf
#

he said on his show

vagrant cargo
#

but his OWL performances have been very underwhelming so far

balmy wolf
#

he was holding the team back lol

cedar oasis
#

Atlanta just sucks

vagrant cargo
#

yeah dogman is also pepega

noble nexus
#

agreed

vagrant cargo
#

he said kevster is the best dps or some shit

balmy wolf
#

in na

vagrant cargo
digital cloud
#

kevster I doubt is the best, but he does look good

#

not too pepega

noble nexus
#

he has some of the highest potential

balmy wolf
#

im a kevster simp

noble nexus
#

just needs a good coach and good ping

mortal abyss
#

He just comes up with bad takes to get more people talking about him which means more views etc

balmy wolf
#

might get a jersey

digital cloud
#

his show is decent

vagrant cargo
#

kevster is really good

digital cloud
#

when he isn't being a moron

vagrant cargo
#

top 5

balmy wolf
#

its good

mortal abyss
#

He has great guests

vagrant cargo
#

but even dpei said hes dumb for that take

digital cloud
#

idk, a few chinese dps coming in look good

vagrant cargo
#

kaneki will pop

#

mans mad underrated

digital cloud
#

with pelican, decay, and the like, I can see not being t5

mortal abyss
#

I feel like Heesu has potential to fuck now that he’s not benched anymore

vagrant cargo
#

heesu will fuck

#

KDG is a top tier coach

digital cloud
#

dps is just super stacked

vagrant cargo
#

in general i expect toronto to overperform

mortal abyss
#

Throwback to hyp saying heesu was the best player he’s ever played with or smth like that

vagrant cargo
#

i have them 4th in NA

#

tied w mayhem as of now

mortal abyss
vagrant cargo
#

hyp said heesu is the best dps he ever played against

balmy wolf
#

mayhem will underperform imo

vagrant cargo
#

nah

#

kuki diff

#

improved ms sidegraded MT and got a good third dps

raw ermine
#

kuki should have won COTY

balmy wolf
#

kuki is best

vagrant cargo
#

crusty should have won COTY

balmy wolf
#

i think oge is a downgrade

#

fate is pog

vagrant cargo
#

oge at his peak is better than fate on rein even on winston and worse on orisa

#

so it doesnt rlly change much

balmy wolf
#

oge at his peak

cedar oasis
#

Fate bad

vagrant cargo
#

nah fate is good

balmy wolf
#

people say that every year

#

oge doesnt peak

vagrant cargo
#

yeah but he has real coaching for the first time now and a full kr team

noble nexus
#

oge hasn't seen his peak in a hot minute

jolly steeple
#

Yeah but now he has a real team

mortal abyss
#

This is OGE’s last chance at OWL

balmy wolf
#

hes underwhelming

jolly steeple
#

And not a Mickey Mouse coach

#

Who doesn’t do jack shit

vagrant cargo
#

and we saw his peak on dallas and he was A tier at that time

jolly steeple
#

He has an S tier coach

vagrant cargo
#

same as fate

balmy wolf
#

how was he a tier on dallas

cedar oasis
#

Fate playing normally is meh

#

When he peaks he is good

#

But he is inconsistent

balmy wolf
#

fate is consistent af

#

he doesnt peak

cedar oasis
#

He goes from mid tier to top tier

balmy wolf
#

thats why hes perfect for shanghai

cedar oasis
#

Fate is not a playmaker

stray panther
#

Yh shanghai needs consistent way more than playmaker/clutch

balmy wolf
#

yes

stray panther
#

They have enough playmakers

balmy wolf
#

thats why hes so good

#

enabling dps to pop

#

not feed

tropic herald
#

Fate really good at not being why the team loses fights

mortal abyss
#

Yeah if you have 6 playmakers it’s easy to just plank

balmy wolf
#

good description

digital cloud
#

that makes me wonder now: who generally was the reason last year any team lost a fight?

#

like shock, for instance

stray panther
#

Hard to say

balmy wolf
#

mistakes happen

stray panther
#

In pro play its more the team then the player

balmy wolf
#

even viol2t does

stray panther
#

Like how good they play together

sand violet
#

I think with top teams it is ignorant to say any one player was consistently a reason. Sure for a single fight it could be someone but for teams like shock, Shanghai, Philly, there was no one person who consistently underperformed. Their losses were typically coach difs or the team playing worse than usual as a whole

cedar oasis
#

I can tell you that for nyxl it was hotba

digital cloud
#

such were my thoughts, but I was curious

cedar oasis
#

For Atlanta it was everyone

sand violet
#

Nyxl had a ton of issues

stray panther
#

But also dogman

mortal abyss
next mesa
#

can diem play more and just sit the new gen apac hitscans down thank

sand violet
#

Not just hotba altho he fed a lot but it's not like if u sub in Bianca they're instantly good

balmy wolf
#

this guy hates atlanta with passion

digital cloud
#

he gets off to hating atlanta

stray panther
#

Yh nyxl just didnt play together

cedar oasis
#

I dont hate them

#

Its facts

balmy wolf
#

id like to know the reason

stray panther
#

Fissure did a vod review on it

mortal abyss
digital cloud
#

if you ask me hating valiant or vancouver would be a better way to get off

balmy wolf
#

true

cedar oasis
#

People seem to think Atlanta is good for some reason

digital cloud
#

but I can see why atlanta would be

stray panther
#

Itt was very detailed like who requires to many resources and such

digital cloud
#

they are basically a faze team after all

cedar oasis
#

Atlanta is the most overrated team

digital cloud
#

and I hate myself for liking faze in valorant

#

I would think shanghai was

next mesa
#

jjonak is s tier support at heart confirmed

digital cloud
#

people thought they were gonna stomp shock

balmy wolf
#

overrated how?

digital cloud
#

if you mean now, then I can see the argument

mortal abyss
cedar oasis
#

Now

#

And before

stray panther
#

They are def a darkhorse this year

balmy wolf
#

everybody has them bottom 5

earnest leaf
#

iirc fate was always the consistently solid part on florida

#

got a bit overshadowed by yaki

digital cloud
#

I would argue that washington is wanked a bit more then currently

balmy wolf
#

thats like worst case

next mesa
#

but I expected it to be close

digital cloud
#

they have a bad support line, but I know a few people ranking them up there with glads, shanghai, and shock

#

they do have good players though, of course

next mesa
#

they are

earnest leaf
#

If mag is as good as people say he is, then they already have a top tier tank line

next mesa
#

because they are just that good

earnest leaf
#

decay is decay, and their dps can have the potential to pound

digital cloud
#

he was in contenders

stray panther
#

Yh mag is insane

digital cloud
#

didn't they get assassin?

mortal abyss
#

Mag will be top 5 probs

earnest leaf
#

we saw glimpses of ttuba smacking people around

stray panther
#

Yh

earnest leaf
#

They did

digital cloud
#

even if ttuba isn't as great

mortal abyss
#

Yeah they did

next mesa
#

assassin is great

digital cloud
#

they have a pretty good dps line, and pretty good tanks

next mesa
#

top tier even

digital cloud
#

thing is, glads, shock, and shanghai have top tier everything

earnest leaf
#

Like during the genji meta, even though shock beat washington 3-0, ttuba made those games competetive

next mesa
#

c maybe

digital cloud
#

except shock maybe has bad dps now

#

but I don't count them out anymore

earnest leaf
#

It's hard for their dps to do badly imo

vagrant cargo
#

assassin aint top tier

#

he could be with chilwa

#

but he isnt yet

digital cloud
#

well, he isn't pelican

vagrant cargo
#

nor is he valentine

stray panther
#

Lmao shock bad dps

digital cloud
#

or valentine

#

but he will do in a pinch

next mesa
#

valentine above assassin?

#

okay

digital cloud
#

yeah, from what I have seen

next mesa
#

I dont know that well

earnest leaf
#

But I'll say this, ans was all aim no brain, as said by shock members, and we all saw how he developed

digital cloud
#

he was so good

earnest leaf
#

Crusty will work his crackpipe magic on him and nero

digital cloud
#

I miss him

#

god

#

I wasn't a shock fan, but he was so good

#

so fucking good

mortal abyss
#

Striker and Glister are insane but Nero is a wildcard and idek what ta1yos purpose is

digital cloud
#

ta1yo was good

next mesa
#

he's okay

mortal abyss
#

I didn’t say he was bad

digital cloud
#

people acting like TI was trash now or something

next mesa
#

crusty is trying to find his sinatraa

mortal abyss
#

I’m just not sure where he fits in

next mesa
#

western player very local leader

digital cloud
#

sinatraa overrated

earnest leaf
#

He is the "Japanese guy that hangs with the shock"

digital cloud
#

long have we awaited

#

oh yeah, isn't he like the first japanese player in ow?

#

OWL*

mortal abyss
#

Probably

#

Didn’t he used to play off tank aswell

digital cloud
#

maybe

#

perhaps he is the new bumper

sand violet
#

Washington have the best 2 man tankline in the league rn

stray panther
#

I dont think shock is gonna be dominant this season

digital cloud
#

roll switching

mortal abyss
#

I remember in WC he played it

next mesa
digital cloud
#

who is washington's ot again?

next mesa
#

huhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

digital cloud
#

I forget

next mesa
#

fury

mortal abyss
#

Fury

stray panther
#

Fury

sand violet
#

Fate isn't nearly as good as mag

digital cloud
#

oh yeah

#

eh, not bad

next mesa
#

man's really just said not bad on fury

#

hm

#

ok

sand violet
#

Fury could compete with void but mag just difs fate

digital cloud
#

dare I say acceptable

#

perhaps even

#

adequate

earnest leaf
#

I hope mag meets expectations this season

mortal abyss
#

The gap between fury and void is smaller then between mag and fate

earnest leaf
#

Keep seeing him be rated super high

sand violet
#

^

#

Good take !

stray panther
#

Yh

digital cloud
#

wow, saint complimented someone

mortal abyss
#

But individual skill isn’t the only factor in how good a tank duo is

next mesa
#

how did runaway lose against wgs someone explain

digital cloud
#

now we can't wash this comment section ever again

stray panther
#

Kr contendies is always hard to compare with owl

sand violet
#

Wgs was a great team too

next mesa
#

I saw the whole match

stray panther
#

They lost mag

#

Already didnt they

next mesa
#

ok but like on paper I think runaway was the more talented team yes

stray panther
#

Was that not the reason they lost

next mesa
#

choked

#

😔

stray panther
#

Didnt almost every player from wgs get picked up