How come?
#esports-discussion
plush grail
tawdry hamlet
balmy wolf
is there even any contender rskins for this month or no
sullen berry
totally
as in totally sleeping on lastro & ANSJ's potential
but I wouldn't be too shocked if the duo can't deliver due to MTD or dps not working
balmy wolf
Besides valiant, fuck valiant
What did you say you little shit?
mortal abyss
Fuck valiant
feral zodiac
There's an La in China?
balmy wolf
is it just me or is spark just a boring team?
like i keep forgetting some of their players names
doesnt happen with any other team for me
i mean shy guxue godsb and m1ka are the only ones i have in mind
oh wait
coldest and lige damn
but they have 12 players
@feral zodiac No I'm talking about los Angeles.
sullen berry
is it just me or is spark just a boring team?
It's hard to explain, perhaps they're too Conservative for you? The whole pink fever is gone and people just accept their performance doesn't quite hit the target anymore
They were besides Titans in 2019 the biggest threats of that season
Coming in as a new franchise
sullen berry
Yeah it a problem less about marketing but how they market their players internationally
balmy wolf
yeah prob
sullen berry
They know Seominsoo is a piece of work and Guxue is their star player from China
balmy wolf
they are pretty big in china i guess
sullen berry
"So what are all these koreans doing here" is probably what they're trying to put at least a little bit of effort in marketing.
They know it's about integrating more Chinese players in the long term
balmy wolf
chinese teams change from korean to chinese players
and korean players go to western teams
and western players go to homeless
damn
sullen berry
there was never a home to begin with
Player churn after the end of their contracts, koreans included, will inevitably be replaced by even younger Koreans in their prime
We've basically seen 3 generations of top OW talent, and the most non-APAC orgs will wind up sticking with the formula that works for them
Charge went from diverse team of 4 nationalities and three different languages
To the 1 like an ordinary team with two nationalities
plush light
Charge is just fucking badass
feral zodiac
How do u guys forget architect
balmy wolf
idk
plush light
I hope architect gets to play hitscan, but he is a flex.
Imagine your dps duo being fleta architect
feral zodiac
Flex đȘ
plush light
Vs decay libero
feral zodiac
Hm
sullen berry
I think Architect is still to this day the anchor and carry of the team
Less so guxue
That seems to have been largely to preparing their team for international travel or their coaching not up to scratch
But now I can say you should see a much improved spark this online season if they manage to know what to do with their 12-man roster this year
plush light
I'm excited to see kariv play on charge. He's kinda mega cracked
I would like to see a team of the most consistent people in owl.
sullen berry
Creative vs KariV is actually such a fierce competition
You can expect Molly to do Dragons a lot of favours when we see more Ana too
plush light
This roster would be sick.
Fissure Choi Carpe Surefour Kariv Moth
With smurf poko fleta rascal boombox Kris as backups. Crusty coaching.
Kris for moral support and brig.
Excluding fleta they have all played on a mixed roster
tropic herald
sullen berry
LGE. Huya partnership ended
Decides to go it alone and buy the slot Valiant was looking to sell
Maybe they're looking for those T1W players after all
sullen berry
visual rock
Kariv is overrated tbh
trail perch
My favorite contendies player FDGod
raw ermine
Twitter
sand violet
I mean I can see it lol
tawdry hamlet
Baaz0 
worn falcon
Who is baaazo
raw ermine
he leaks things on an irregular basis, but is fairly accurate
tawdry hamlet
Im really hoping it's just the ping and lack of working together before đ
worn falcon
For what I've seen he looks more a memer than a leaker like Halo
tawdry hamlet
I know paris has more talent than spitfire right now I know they do đđ
raw ermine
London has the BH tank and support line
Paris has a mixture of EU talent with not as much synergy as london does
worn falcon
We gotta wait for valiant and see what they pull
tawdry hamlet
Oh yeah they do
I was thinking sparkr was their main hitscan and was worried đ
But with shax yeah they easily outclass paris
trail perch
Ok hot take, EU is the worst region, worse than even like AU
And they are just going to be stomped by everyone else
balmy wolf
eu is better than au bro
trail perch
The best team in EU by a landslide lost to American tornado
balmy wolf
and that makes au better?
raw ermine
landslide?
trail perch
I would imagine more NA teams are significantly better than EU
raw ermine
hardly so
raw ermine
oh yeah
trail perch
The loss wasnt
raw ermine
sorry misread that
hot onyx
https://twitter.com/Baaz0leakboyceo/status/1362478011459596289
Iâm sorry what is this clown smoking?
balmy wolf
why?
hot onyx
The titans are an inconsistent mishmash of discombobulated pieces where pretty much the entire team is the worst in their respective role in the league
raw ermine
probably the ping makes them bad, assuming this leak is true
tropic herald
The guy is a leaker who often doesnât care about what info they give out, these are def true leaks from baazo
As of right now Eternal are bombing in scrims
More so than people projected Titans
hot onyx
Bombing meaning good or bad?
tropic herald
Bad
tropic herald
I couldnât tell you exactly but itâs probably the fact that they are all EU, most of them havenât played together versus Titans who are NA and have some âdecentâ synergy
tropic herald
The scrims are likely held on NA
hot onyx
Ahhhhh sorry me dumb
Still gotta feel for teru being stuck with titans
Mans got some potential
tawdry hamlet
Eu has given us some good players like shax ksp Linkzr fdgod poko uh boombox I wouldn't say they are the worst region idk
Shockwave as well
tawdry hamlet
I think if au had like a proper setup they'd have a lot of standouts as well though
But idk their location makes things so difficult
hot onyx
Punk is an underrated gem imo
forest raven
we also just have less people
chex couldn't get above 4200 in oce and when he moved to na he skyrocketed to 4600+
there's like 25 million people in this country, that's less than southern california
forest raven
what
hot onyx
Oh youâre kidding I typoâd Australia to Austria
forest raven
what
balmy wolf
austria has kabaji niiiice
forest raven
socal had 23.8m in 2019 and australia has like 25.6m this year
hot onyx
Fair
plush light
Kariv is overrated tbh
You wanna fight
trail perch
kariv might still be a top 5 FS
trail perch
I think that Kariv might be better than Izayaki and shu, we just didnt see it bc bad team
But we'll see this year
next mesa
I think creative is better than kariv
trail perch
Prediction, this year Jjonak and Kariv will take the last two spots on top 5
I just have a feeling
trail perch
Creative Zen is eh
And I havent seen bap
or rly moira
Come to think about it I havent seen much creative
Ig I wasnt paying attention last season
cedar oasis
Jjonack just needs to restart his brain
Also kariv has high peaks but most of the time he is meh
digital cloud
Him beating Vancouver was impressive
cedar oasis
Was it though
digital cloud
Pretty much
cedar oasis
Like half the support players could do that to Vancouver
cedar oasis
I thought u ment last season
digital cloud
Or am I remembering the wrong dude . . .
digital cloud
Pretty sure he won during some sort of pharah meta
cedar oasis
Oh yea
raw ermine
Come to think about it I havent seen much creative
creative didn't play much til the playoffs
digital cloud
Think it was
cedar oasis
That was their first regular season loss
mortal abyss
Oh that game was impressive
trail perch
Jjonak i see becoming top 5 easy
and I lowkey see NYXL as a top team
Mostly from that scrim leak tho
I think the're a little underrated
earnest leaf
that scrim is meaningless now
Two patches since then already
and probably another 2-3 before owl starts
trail perch
But on teamwork and synergy
as well as individual skill
I mean ivy outdueled striker on tracer
earnest leaf
Again
It's an old scrim from shock having players on ping and just starting back up scrims
and nyxl who have been doing it for longer atm, shock is of course going to be rusty
I mean it's been said numerous times before teams beat shock in scrims and felt confident but would always lose in regular matches
idk why people put any value in scrims
Remember playoffs this past season and houston with their weird comp? They were supposedly pounding in scrims
and got rolled anyways
craggy sandal
Houston are just scrim warriors
cedar oasis
Apac is so stacked
Anyone of those teams could win it all
And then theres the valiant
mortal abyss
lol
cedar oasis
If you put any of the apac teams in na they would be top 5
Except valiant
And maybe Seoul
I have seen people put Seoul last
sullen berry
I have seen people put Seoul last
that's probably the most braindead and yet accurate regular season prediction people try to make
last like when someone was real mad that guangzhou beat vancouver in their last matchup online
said person were crying that they were playing cheap strats - looked like the usual meta to me
that user never came back on discord after seeing them rake more than three wins
cedar oasis
Cheap strats
That's the first I have ever heard someone say that
Cant the top teams counter cheap strats
sullen berry
yeah
I've never seen a bias so strong against guangzhou and just having some mentality that they were always a bottom team in asia
I think that certainly does exist because they're not as big, had the same feeling about seoul at one point too
cedar oasis
Weren't Guangzhou good last season
Like it was dragons
Nyxl and Guangzhou
Then spark and charge
Didnt they win a tournament aswel
noble nexus
nyxl and guangzhou then spark and guangzhou?
the charge only look good in double shield and genji meta
if I recall anyways
didn't really watch apac too much because of timezones
balmy wolf
they were 2nd in apac
mortal abyss
Why couldnât we have Metallica instead of DJ khaled
sand violet
rating based off of scrims is still a terrible idea lol
balmy wolf
Why did McGravy leave us?
He was like a father to me
I know this is old news but it still hurts
earnest leaf
even if mcgravy stayed the chinese move would of booted him
restive goblet
mortal abyss
I'm kinda worried about the western fanbase for OWL, viewership is going to be dismal next year
For OWL as a whole i'm not as worried because the eastern (China) fanbase is huge
cedar oasis
Na players just need to get better
Especially flex supports
Theres no good western flex supports
tawdry hamlet
There's no good na hitscans
Lmao
South Korean Hitscans but different
We haven't had a good American hitscan since like corey
rare magnet
the coach of talon and ex spitfire is 39 years old https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Swingby
on the other hand talon dps heesang is 15 years old and looks very young https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/HeeSang
next mesa
Lol linkzr
next mesa
Idk
cedar oasis
Yea theres no good na hitscan players
barren quest
Yea theres no good na hitscan players
Uhh KSP?
true hound
Yea theres no good na hitscan players
kephrii!!!!
cedar oasis
No
tawdry hamlet
Bro that reminds me of the twitter clip Where the girl said "they have kephrii on the other team you're not going to out widow him" to a t2 player and I was can't remember the name but it was funny af
tropic herald
It was Wub on a smurf and some random support player said "get off widow you aren't going to out-widow kephrii"
raw ermine
Babybay retired and Canada is in na
feral zodiac
There are almost no NA hitscan players wtf
next mesa
Dove?
tawdry hamlet
I mean Danteh and uh, I guess like ksf when he sometimes play hitscan are about it
shell onyx
noble nexus
yeah
plush grail
logix is from belgium yeah
noble nexus
ok that makes sense
plush grail
to be fair they look similar and have almost the same hero pool
plush grail
sinatraa is just done with everything ow
is he even gonna join for shock vs the world
plush grail
someone posted a screenshot with a blurred name and people thought it was sinatraa
next mesa
They're thinking of returning
For owwc only
To defend their title
And space thinks they can do it
plush grail
i doubt it
true hound
kr would just smack them back
plush grail
korea switches up their lineup alot every year
cedar oasis
Their support line last world cup was bad
cedar oasis
Idk tho
next mesa
It wasn't even bad just wack
plush grail
yeah was viol2t just not available
cedar oasis
You would have to replace bdosin with viol2t
That time Korea ran hog orisa hanzo mei
I think
raw ermine
maybe it was a nepotism thing?
true hound
isnât Viol2t not allowed to play
raw ermine
crusty might have been worried about being called out
true hound
Because of boosting
raw ermine
in what world would be be allowed to play in OWL but not OWWC?
cedar oasis
Maybey he didnt want to
slow kraken
Is bdosin more flexible to comps?
Since I feel like owwc is completely different than owl since teams have to change to what they are best at
Unless itâs double shield
cedar oasis
It would be more intertaning if teams played what they were good at
But then they would get stomped
thin spade
For the grand finals
thin spade
Dig further, I'm sure I asked some questions in like 2019 or 2018
OH GOD
noble nexus
the world didn't get a kill for a solid 10 seconds at one point
what even is this
LOL
worn falcon
memes
tropic herald
its even better that everyone but super is on ping from shock
noble nexus
lmao
tropic herald
thats sick
tropic herald
noble nexus
I actually didn't think this would be close
this is probably the best lucio play owl has ever seen
karmic grotto
I MUST HAVE IT
tight hill
Do they understand the objective?
noble nexus
yes they're just wallriding out of habit and dropping their flags
noble nexus
because it's entertainment
also sometimes they just throw
idk don't think too far into it
it's not serious
mortal abyss
They literally wonât score when they have the chance to
their flag has to be in their base for them to score
noble nexus
Crusty is super cool too
wintry kraken
how can dad move that much đ
mortal abyss
This is way better then what i thought it would be
noble nexus
ikr
mortal abyss
Turn off video and it sounds really disturbing
noble nexus
lmfao
mortal abyss
Yeah i wasn't sure at first either
tight hill
This next one is the best
noble nexus
yeah that's why they were just standing on the flag at some points
worn falcon
DAMN
noble nexus
the pharah one isn't that bad actually
tight hill
What is brigs favorite type of cheese
mortal abyss
Yes
worn falcon
im dying inside
noble nexus
rolled
worn falcon
roasted
noble nexus
YAAAAAAAAP
mortal abyss
Map 5 time
tight hill
Name 2 people that are more different than super and jeff
tight hill
Hot take, world gonna win
noble nexus
Rascal sadge
mortal abyss
They get to pick shocks comp
noble nexus
mf almost suggest they give viol2t bap
mortal abyss
Not almost
mortal abyss
they fully put viol2t on bap
wintry kraken
viol2t bap contests pharah with ease
heals, not contests
tight hill
They miss rascal
noble nexus
the viol2t classic
worn falcon
dps bap
tight hill
Sleepy lmao
worn falcon
wtf dogman
mortal abyss
STRIKER L,FAO
noble nexus
Striker the chad
worn falcon
striker cheating
noble nexus
-1000
sand violet
rascal 
noble nexus
fdgod is a crackhead wtf was he planning
tight hill
Will rascal get on a team
wintry kraken
space rocked from air đ
mortal abyss
What a rick
noble nexus
if he still has passion for the game he probably will find a team
worn falcon
the thing is almost all teams are full
noble nexus
not many teams would pass up a rascal with passion for the game I think
if he gets playtime and keeps grinding he becomes top fdps contender
and with performance we can all agree that boston are the clear #1 in NA
mortal abyss
He doesn't want to go back to contenders
noble nexus
he shouldn't need to go back to contendies
tight hill
2 months
valid oxide
More deets!
noble nexus
worn falcon
Twitter
mortal abyss
yooo
sullen berry
Musical performances this year are on point, ngl
worn falcon
tropic herald
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/sleepy/status/1363224723740450817
LOL
mortal abyss
Seems we're getting "prime time" broadcasts now
worn falcon
did they lowered the prize pools?
sullen berry
Increased the tournament winnings, I'm pretty sure 2nd place and below playoff prizes have gone down
tropic herald
The first weekend is going to be nice
mortal abyss
Shock vs Glads first match is Hype AF
mortal abyss
Wait where's the website showing the full schedule
mortal abyss
Thanks#
wintry kraken
https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/schedule?stage=regular_season&week=1
only up to week 3 tho đ
week 4 and further are "invalid date" đ
tropic herald
They made the times better for EU wow
wintry kraken
They made the times better for EU wow
probably because half of the league moved to korea ?
tropic herald
I wonder if they set up matches to be interesting ones based off of previous tourneys
So that strength of schedule isnât terrible I guess?
craggy sandal
They probably didnât from previous tourneys since roster changed so much
mortal abyss
They made the times more "prime time" like the NFL iirc
tropic herald
3pm EST for the first matches
quartz cairn
mortal abyss
I mean we have philly vs seoul rematch
quartz cairn
Am i late
mortal abyss
Yes
quartz cairn
mortal abyss
lol
noble nexus
shock vs glads is gonna be fucking insane
tropic herald
At least 5 of the matches that first weekend should be good too
Given projections ofc
worn falcon
shhhh, let me dream
craggy sandal
If he does play they will probably lose the map
noble nexus
lmao
I wanna see how shockwave does on a good team tbh
he'll probably dick on some kids
mortal abyss
The first 2 days are both really hype apart from Valiant vs chengdu
noble nexus
anything involving valiant is the opposite of hype
mortal abyss
I wanna see how shockwave does on a good team tbh
I want to see how well Mano plays now he has a god tier support line
noble nexus
mano has always been good
tropic herald
Chengdu gonna slap Valiant
mortal abyss
mano has always been good
I know, but he had a down year last year and it will be exciting to see him come back hopefully way better then before
noble nexus
all rejoice in ameng dicking on a shit team
noble nexus
the saviour of integrity in esports
tropic herald
Ameng better ride the bench
noble nexus
idk how valiant aren't getting pounded by owl tbh
mortal abyss
No players Union :sadge:
mortal abyss
Down year for Mano standards, if you get what i mean
He was in contention for best MT beforehand
cedar oasis
Season 1 it was basically mano
Maybey gesture
Mano has never had supports that put recourses into him
next mesa
Unions cost money so
mortal abyss
Mano has never had supports that put recourses into him
Yeah, thats why it's going to be exciting to see what he can do with arguably the best support line in the league
cedar oasis
No one can stop mano now
limpid estuary
OWL map pool excludes Numbani, Hollywood, Route 66, Junkertown, Rialto, Horizon Lunar Colony, and Paris.
young fractalBOT
The current Map Pool for OWL is:
Control: Ilios, Busan, Lijiang Tower, Oasis, Nepal
Assault: Hanamura, Volskaya, Temple of Anubis
Hybrid: Kingâs Row, Blizzard World, Eichenwalde
Escort: Dorado, Watchpoint Gibraltar, Havana
The current Hero Pool is:
Tank: TBA
Damage: TBA
Support: TBA
tropic herald
Twitter
earnest leaf
noble nexus
that's actually really cool
kind ridge
sick
slow kraken
Is there gonna be hero bans this year
vagrant echo
im trying to decide what team to root for, im stuck between: my city (B uprising), the ones that I think look the coolest (dynasty), and the ones that are a mix of both (outlaws)
sullen berry
the cooler one, between the three
uprising can be your next best and expose you to more teams
helps you get a good read on the league's power rankings for yourself to see who wins the league
sullen berry
I liked the hero ban since it forced meta changes
looking forward to alternating hero bans during tournaments?
regular season hero bans don't make a whole lot of sense personally
but since it's data driven based on play time now, we should be able to keep hero diversity between tournaments
while avoiding the meta from shifting too fast - agnostic teams like chengdu will still play plenty of ball
but aren't doomed this time since ga9a is going to be big
sullen berry
bout 2 weeks
before they rotated
now if teams this year are playing 4 qualifier matches in NA
or 3 in APAC
you're going to have a shift in meta somewhere between the change in hero pools or the lack of one this year
mortal abyss
Is there gonna be hero bans this year
Yes
cedar oasis
I'm telling you all now
Its gonna be junk soldier
Atlanta bottom 5
Justice will suck
cobalt thistle
I really enjoy watching the replays
brittle sleet
does anyone know the exact release date of the midas roadhog skin?
limber pine
No
sullen berry
So save up your tokens, if you got any
lyric yacht
worn falcon
Yes, usually those with owl tokens
And hero bans for owl are gonna be here
For the two cycles where Hero Pools are used, four heroes will be removed from play: two damage, one tank, and one support. Heroes are randomly selected from a group of eligible heroes based on play-rate data from the previous tournament cycle of Overwatch League matches. Only heroes that are being played regularlyâ10% or moreâcan be pulled out of Hero Pool rotation. No hero can be removed more than once during the season.```
wanton birch
Does anyone know how the fusions arena is progressing ?
tawdry hamlet
I really really really want Atlanta to do well đ„ș their dps line slaps
Pelican and Kai and Edison is đ
Then their middle of the pack tank line and middle of the pack support lines just exist 
hot onyx
Atlanta just flop again sadge
tawdry hamlet
Pelican and Kai combo will be absolutely mad to watch at least
Im excited to watch shockwave in apac
hot onyx
Iâm excited to see if titans do worse than season 1 dragons or not
mortal abyss
Speaking of shockwave: isnât he still in EU? Fusion scrims are going to be delayed which is sad
hot onyx
Really? I thought he was already in korea
mortal abyss
Hm
digital cloud
they have time, doesn't start until April anyway
noble nexus
https://twitter.com/LAValiant/status/1363259205373681667 the amount of former LA players ratioing this gives me intense serotonin levels
Twitter
mortal abyss
hajdsns
fervent pivot
crusty needs to get cancled
mortal abyss
Yep
cedar oasis
So la roster will be full Chinese
Anyone know if they are picking up a whole team or trying to create their own
noble nexus
I think they were picking some mid tier chinese team up
or well most of the team
and some other players
I can't remember what name was leaked
noble nexus
oh yeah that's what I was on about
digital cloud
The shinpachi gif is hyper relevant
earnest leaf
digital cloud
wait, he was in jail?
what for
or is that a reference to his old team
I am confused
sand violet
reference to old team im p sure
sullen berry
glads have a terrible strength of schedule
and then it just comes back around, expecting 2-2 for their placement
plush grail
tbh glads have a pretty big chance of defeating dallas
balmy wolf
and shock
plush light
Why can't junkertown get played? I think its balanced just as much as Havana
tepid ibex
i think glads at least win 3 of their matches
against sfs i say its a 50-50 chance of either team winning
jolly steeple
Over those 4 they could go 1-3 in theory but I think it's more than likely they go 3-1
I don't think there's a way they lose to London
whatsoever
raw ermine
the last 2 games I'd imagine they win, but the first 2 are more up in the air, still think they'll lose to sfs and win the rest
hot onyx
Honestly I have faith that glads will pull it out of the bag
Shock choke and lose 3-0 hottest take
next mesa
Won't be hottest take shock always shit beginning
raw ermine
shock always lose minimum 1 out of 3 of there first games
hot onyx
Shock always lose*
raw ermine
sorry I didn't capitalize Shock
raw ermine
ik but still
someone took the time to photoshop the current TD players into this photo
slow kraken
Someone took the time to do the phone in the bottom right
hot onyx
For the Defiant how confident are you guys in the Michelle pickup?
raw ermine
KDG has worked with michelle on seoul before, so if he picked him up again, I am confident in KDG's choice
hot onyx
I mean he might be rusty since heâs been benched by marve1 even when dva was meta
mortal abyss
sus
tropic herald
Twitter
raw ermine
viol2t swap dps
cedar oasis
Do people actually think Atlanta will be good because they have a good dps line
next mesa
mykaylee choisehwan kinda upgrade doe
next mesa
Shu better imo but not bad reconciliation prize
balmy wolf
Ikr
Imma miss shu
And fuck Nero for going to shock
I'm also gonna hella Miss Ans
Second favorite Widow Player
Mayhem got Checkmate
why hate on nero?
Nero was a charge player
Dipped to Shock
and?
I'm a charge fma
Fan
he was the only western there and didnt play at all
I'm allowed to be mad
Nero was dope
next mesa
more like charge didnt want nero lmao
balmy wolf
true
next mesa
doesnt even fit on their roster choi much better fit
also choi echo is a fucking n u t
balmy wolf
Frrrr
balmy wolf
I love Kenzo bro
I wanna see him in Contenders lmao
i love my mom but shes not going to be pro
I mean Bastion Main was in Gauntlet
next mesa
facts
balmy wolf
I'm a widow player lmao
next mesa
a lot of them better than kenzo
balmy wolf
I have a game where I got 49 kills
90% Kill participation
pog
On my smurf pepelaugh
not pog
Who is your favorite Retiree
retiree?
balmy wolf
ah
as a player ans
as a person dogman
Retired Player
Ans is litt
I also like Sinatraa
yep
Eileen is my favorite player currently
next mesa
where woohyal going
earnest leaf
I think malthel deleted his twitter or some shit, after getting flamed for being a weirdo at stand1
balmy wolf
Fr?
plush eagle
im looking to watch genji players who are some of the best current genji players
mortal abyss
Well you probably wonât find many OWL pros playing genji rn, but the summer showdown (genji meta) OWL tournament happened a few months ago, you can check out the vods on the OWL yt channel, my personal favourite game was the Fusion vs Eternal finals which has loads of great genji plays
tropic herald
Eileen and Fleta from APAC too
slate gulch
who do you guys think is the best tank player in owl right now
tropic herald
As in off tank or main tank
tropic herald
For Main itâs between like Smurf Fearless Mag MuZe and Mano
plush eagle
whats the main dps comp rn in owl
slate gulch
what do you think about emongg as an off tank player
tropic herald
For Off itâs between Void Fury ChoiHyobin Hanbin
I donât think Emongg would be good in the pro scene
And OWL isnât playing so there isnât a main dps comp
The last time we saw owl stuff it was Echo/Sombra/Tracer
slate gulch
interesting thanks for your opinion
mortal abyss
For Main itâs between like Smurf Fearless Mag MuZe and Mano
Sado aswell
wanton birch
man the whole malthel thing is fucked
i seriously dont get why hes getting so flamed for it
and a bunch of people just taking stand1s side cause haha owl player better so always right
earnest leaf
nah when you go out of your way to be a total cunt to someone for how they play in ranked you're gonna get hard flamed for it
Especially when you're a known toxic washed up shitter
Stand1 did nothing wrong anyways, man just didn't play perfectly in ranked
next mesa
and then starts shitting on the whole boston team lmao
"nobody's only good just im_37" shut the fuck up lmao
wanton birch
I saw a clip from before the main clip of stand 1 being toxic before hand
Honestly the whole thing got blown up by some idiot posting the clip on Twitter after the fact
Donât know why it couldnât just be left behind as in game rage
What happened with him calling out the rest of Boston though I didnât see that before he deleted all his shit
earnest leaf
Malthel also spent 10 mins or so going over a game he had vs stand1 flaming him the whole time
gets in another game vs stand1, continues flaming him and saying he's wintrading
next mesa
so apparently boston scouting is super shit because stand1 played bad in ranked
wanton birch
Why did it have to get so pressed yeesh
Who was the guy who brought it all to Twitter anyway , was he in the games or some random t3 player
earnest leaf
another washed toxic shitter 
wanton birch
Dude ruined his chances of getting into owl in the future just to roast someone in game
earnest leaf
iirc his chances were ruined a while ago
wanton birch
Malthel actually had pretty good potential skill wise
Well itâs safe to say stand1 is better in owl than malthel ever willl be now XD
wanton birch
Respect for lukemino telling malthel to stop insulting everything stand did in their game
Lukemino to owl s5
earnest leaf
Never seen lukemino be toxic in any game with him
wanton birch
i really wanted him to be picked up by glads this off season ;-;
anytime i see him on an owl players stream they only have positive shit to say, hopefully that good karma pays off
quartz badge
Mfw an owl player doesnât play perfectly on ladder
me when the
rich sentinel
what exactly was shock v world
sullen berry
me when the
frank granite
neither is rascal 
sullen berry
the shock vs the world event was designed around competing against all kinds of people from former pro players, blizzard developers, folks and content creators
basically hog vs hook catered to folks who follow creators on twitch/yt like emongg, KarQ
also it was watching developers throw vs shock's tank players
then the ones that didn't involve playing the game were the comeback matchups
the team composition was mainly former shock players who haven't quit playing overwatch while danteh is still one of the best western players right now
noble nexus
he had a dad joke contest vs super and won
rich sentinel
lmao
restive onyx
It was disappointing
sullen berry
they were literal dad jokes with overwatch heroes and OWL Teams as the punchline
orchid acorn
anyone looking to play message me (plat/diamond)
tawdry hamlet
Malthiel is known to be toxic af lmao he literally posted a whole paragraph shitting on a streamer after they left a game when they got a bunch of shit for making one mistake which obviously they shouldn't have left but he just went in on her, then he made a twitlonger about how he wants to change and not be his toxic persona he made because he is insecureb
And now I see this come out
So 
I can assume this means he didn't change at all
Silly goose man
But honestly that whole group oof 16-17 contenders players like cohesion and malthiel just breed toxicity
Although on the topic of malthiel getting into owl he is like a reaper doomfist two trick so the chances were slim anyway
plush grail
I really wanted a real first to 3 shock vs the world tbh
They got all those players together for 1 kith game
plush grail
In less then a month we start the season
but LA valiant still has no team
i really hope they've been scrimming already because if not its gonna be such a shitshow
next mesa
We start in like a little under 2 months but yes
tepid ibex
ill be glad if valiant are a shit show
raw ermine
seoul has hardly changed since last year, and unless SBB is taking a player/coach role, I don't see them changing other than getting more synergy from working together for longer
raw ermine
well yeah
fair
I was thinking coaching, as that seemed to be a bigger problem then the OT, as they got to play MARVE1 sigma a lot
next mesa
I dont blame them for playing marve1 sig its a huge nut
true hound
seoul has hardly changed since last year, and unless SBB is taking a player/coac...
nah what happens if seoul shits the bed the whole season except beating shanghai a few times
then it comes to playoffs
then they go ultra instinct and win s4
raw ermine
right, how trustworthy of a strategy
forest raven
second place is still an L brother
raw ermine
remember s1 philly?
marble sky
I feel like I've been living under a rock but what the hell happened to the Valiant player roster?
raw ermine
IGC
the org that owns LAV
ran into $ problems
and decided to sell part of the LAV org to a chinese org
and they were like
"ok we will buy it, but we want a lotta chinese players on the team"
so they sold part of it
and the entire roster got dropped
cause none of them were chinese
and now everyone hates LAV
marble sky
well it wasn't a very good move for them to make :/ so I'd assume they'd compete in APAC now??
raw ermine
correct, and correct
marble sky
I'd wonder what teams will pick up the stray players from Valiant then
will be an interesting season, cant wait lmfao
raw ermine
I'm willing to bet the rest of them don't join any notable teams
a few have been picked up
notably, Shax joined london, Kai/KSP joined atlanta, and Lastro joined toronto
marble sky
damn i wouldn't trust to join another team after getting messed over so hard 0-0
poor things mustve been such a shock
raw ermine
yeah
marble sky
well time to boycott valiant lol
raw ermine
it especially sucks for Adam, a dude who just got out of the australian region of OW contenders and joined them, just to get sent back to contenders
forest raven
they also dropped their entire roster like, a few days before the roster deadline so the players were fucked in that regard too
raw ermine
don't worry, we're way ahead of you
yeah
not to mention, they lied to the fans
well
it was a white lie
cause a notable leaker said that the slot would be sold to a chinese org
and LAV's twitter account said it was false
which was technically true
digital cloud
it was, strictly speaking
raw ermine
cause they still own the slot, but they don't manage it
but that most certainly does not satisfy anybody
marble sky
I wonder if they'll change the team name? cant imagine them wanting to be tied to America anymore :/ I can't imagine anyone rooting for the Valiant this season now. I'd hope no other teams make that mistake
digital cloud
but people aren't going to see it that way and they had to know that
raw ermine
since IGC still owns the slot, they will still be called the LA Valiant, but the disconnected can't be denied
raw ermine
I wonder if they'll change the team name? cant imagine them wanting to be tied t...
"I'd hope no other teams make that mistake" lol Valiant are the second to do this type of thing, so I guess they didn't learn the ramifications of dropping an entire roster.
marble sky
I've only just gotten into OWL recently so I am super behind on any past drama and complications
digital cloud
other teams essentially dropped the whole roster, but it was the way they did it
the timing and whatnot
raw ermine
the Vancouver titans dropped a fan favourite roster cause of issues with tension between management and players/coaches
and when I say fan favourite
I mean
FAN FAVOURITE
so many people got pissed
digital cloud
they were such asses about it
noble nexus
it wouldn't be that bad if it wasn't for the fact they had signed new players and renewed contracts only to go and drop them all because of a brand change
it shows a massive lack of communication
cedar oasis
Imagine being a valiant fan
noble nexus
instead of setting the deal up and going through with it at the start of the offseason they ended up dropping the entire roster a few months before the season starts
not many players on that roster will find teams
I only expected Kai to get signed elsewhere tbh
noble nexus
yeah thank god atleast some of them are going to get signed
also sucks in the case of Adam
noble nexus
probably his first and only chance of getting in owl after grinding for ages
marble sky
mustve been a punch to the face for him
noble nexus
Adam looked alright from what I saw but he still shouldn't have been dealt a shitty hand like that
raw ermine
yeah
digital cloud
immortals just got stomped by sen again in valorant, and I will admit that made me satisfied
never liked titans or valiant, but I think their players deserve better
noble nexus
it's insane how shit that org is
noble nexus
the titans roster were one of the best in the world and only a handful of them ended up staying in owl
digital cloud
that said, at least part of the reason this shit is happening is probably owl being so dead
not to excuse it
but at least in na, there is no real audience now
still pretty big in asia though, but not sure if that audience gets much bigger
cedar oasis
All the titans players stayed in owl expect bumper
Twilight slime jjanu haksal stich soemenso
I think bumper is Mia
Just like fissure
noble nexus
I was thinking more bout ryujehong, fissure, bumper and tizi
gray forge
cause a notable leaker said that the slot would be sold to a chinese org
actually halo said it, and people dont take him to be notable as he has been wrong in the past, so people were kinda skeptical but more people believed it yeah