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sand violet
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libero is also an option for teams who end up not liking how their dps turned out but theres not really as many options there

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fusion is a big one

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but im kinda struggling to think of a team outside of that

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maybe if shock sell nero then buy libero or some shit lol

silk frost
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or if they sell FDgod they can sign tobi

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or better yet, boink

plush grail
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boink viol2t

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viol2t is gonna drag them down

mortal abyss
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I’m pretty suprised twilight hasn’t gone FA

plush grail
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probably because he has either a year or longer contract

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and shock prolly pays decent so why not just ride the bench and get paid

next mesa
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Might not even ride the bench if new support comes out

plush grail
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yeah when ow2 drops in 2024

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twiligt might play a map or 2

mortal abyss
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Actually twilight got decent playtime when it was doubke@flex support or brig

noble nexus
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they just need to make ana good so twilight can play

silk frost
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yeah he's a fantastico brig

mortal abyss
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Twilight vs alarm ana was fun to watch

raw ermine
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Lastro one lmao

tight hill
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How good is assassin

raw ermine
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pretty dang good, seeing as he played on runaway. top Korean contenders flex dps

tropic herald
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Assassin good flex dps, he is exactly what Justice should be looking at to fill out their dps

tight hill
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Ok, why did they not go for a support player?

tropic herald
waxen vigil
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Are there games being played?

raw ermine
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OWL games aren't on yet

plush grail
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almost time

silk frost
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here's how projectile DPS in contenders went

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  1. Pelican
  2. Valentine
  3. Assassin
feral zodiac
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What is FA?

kind ridge
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Fa is free agent

silk frost
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funnastro

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fucking air

hot heart
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Featureless aero

silk frost
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fired actually

cedar oasis
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Fucking air

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I love that

ionic fable
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When is the next OWL Match?

silk frost
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april

tight hill
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😦

ionic fable
tropic herald
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Pre on DB show tomorrow

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Should be fun

balmy wolf
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dogman on a roll with all these guests

karmic grotto
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You would think owl would have started last week

sullen berry
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Vibe check

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I would be a lot more excited for OWL right now if this was the second year of homestands

mortal abyss
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Imagine all of last seasons moments with home stands

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The crowd cheering I mean

sullen berry
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Our first homestands in Shanghai, Guangzhou, then all the NA Pacific cities before Hangzhou and Chengdu man

sullen berry
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It's still hard to believe we won't get one for several years until international travel is safely and carefully figured out

karmic grotto
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keep believing

next mesa
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S5

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Maybe

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Or the finals

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Maybe

mortal abyss
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If the finals are in korea again I could see it being LAN

worn falcon
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late but ooof

raw ermine
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sparkr 2 way contract

tawdry hamlet
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Helv and Admiral really took the "if you can't beat them might as well join them" line to heart

sullen berry
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Faze clan but its EU with their own valorant roster
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limber pine
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Good for them.

sullen berry
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PRE sending a message, and promoting Dusttin Bowerman the right way

digital cloud
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Tviq and unkoe?

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Lol

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Really scraping the bottom of the barrel, Valorant

limber pine
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IIRC Valorant is just getting started in EU

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they're probably better than most of the startups

mortal abyss
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Yeah riot hasn’t done that much with the Eu scene in valorant as of right now

silk frost
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Who gets the most game: western OTs or Korean FS

plush grail
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Do we have any western ot

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Like legit

tropic herald
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Space

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Molf1g

raw ermine
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ellivote

tropic herald
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FRD

plush grail
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any good ones

raw ermine
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first 2 are

plush grail
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I legit forgot space was ot

tropic herald
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Hawk

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Pink

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*u

raw ermine
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poko

plush grail
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poko is korean

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At heart

raw ermine
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he speaks french sooo much tho

plush light
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Don't forget super, the flex god himself, and nevix, and Gods (more pre-owl, but still good)

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Don't forget note and spree

hot onyx
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Come on why are we all forgetting the best western ot to ever grace owl?

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Manneten

raw ermine
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zappis*

silk frost
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I keep fuckin clicking on blizzcon-discussion instead of esports-discussion and I hate it

next mesa
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ikr

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I just muted it

silk frost
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the best western OT is xepher

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I mean korea is even westerer than NA

sullen berry
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lmao but blizzcon

digital cloud
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Why is Tymunster muted

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Regulars here have a habit of that happening to them don’t they

sullen berry
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I'm not immune either

next mesa
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PogU

next mesa
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wtf he still kept regular

plush grail
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just dont be bad

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and think diya has a chance of getting signed

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and you'll not get muted

next mesa
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Diya 😩 😩 ZaryaStrong

jolly steeple
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Wish diya made LAV

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idk who you would sign for hs over him

hot onyx
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Baconjack comes out of retirement and gets signed calling it now

untold flower
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Valorant

next mesa
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baconjack got dunked on by ans sadge

tropic herald
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Really surreal that Blizz hasn’t asked GBS to change his name yet

earnest leaf
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Would mean they have to acknowledge versions of it

plush light
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Gbs?

next mesa
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gaybullsi?

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because its gae?

plush light
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O

craggy sandal
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It means penisfish I’m pretty sure

next mesa
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ohhhh

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💀

tropic herald
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GaeBullSsi literally means Mr. Penis Fish

earnest leaf
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Nice

tawdry hamlet
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I approve

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Didn't they make someone change a name with bong in it

next mesa
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myunbong is still there

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b0ng>

earnest leaf
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Granted they let FRD change to FRDWNR

mortal abyss
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They moved blizzcon discussion so now I no longer accidentally click on it trying to get here

earnest leaf
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Yea it's nice

limber pine
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I live to serve

mortal abyss
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Lol

tawdry hamlet
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Oh yeah they made him use a zero

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I remember now

cedar oasis
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Oh wait

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Washington has closer and bebe as a support line

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They definitely aren't winning this season

tropic herald
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Good old Birdring

trail perch
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Hey!

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Shut Up!

plush grail
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shut up

next mesa
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birdring is me

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except I agree with shu doe i mean 😩 chick fil a is so banger

hot onyx
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Carpe is playing Valorant and I’m scared

raw ermine
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he's streamed OW recently

topaz plover
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k

mortal abyss
tropic herald
peak seal
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Oh

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Oh sorry

tropic herald
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No problem

hot onyx
silk frost
noble nexus
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cursed yznsa mei

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some say he still finds a way to fly above your team and get a 6k

earnest leaf
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I killed yzn last night as baby dva 😎

silk frost
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snow hails from above

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ok but like wtf seeing Yznsa on a non-pharah heroes is horrifying. What's he gonna do? Will he do things? Let's find out

mortal abyss
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Seeing yzn in the other team as echo copying a pharah provokes emotions in me I didn’t think I had

stuck pelican
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is the OW world cup happening this year?

digital cloud
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probably not

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if this current blizzcon is meant to be the one for this year

tropic herald
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I’m pretty sure BlizzconOnline is the one for last year

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But I may be wrong

next mesa
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Yeah the 2020 one

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I hope it does

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Even if it's LAN

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Idk if anyone has saw but

earnest leaf
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OWWC would be unfair

next mesa
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Space said

earnest leaf
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korea would just stomp

next mesa
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Corey and sinatraa and co was talking about coming back potentially

next mesa
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Able*

true hound
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SK can just play like

earnest leaf
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come back in what sense?

true hound
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Fearless void profit decay Viol2t

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ez dub

earnest leaf
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ngl

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I'd rather run smurf choi

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or smurf void

tropic herald
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Smurf Void

earnest leaf
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I'd only argue smurf choi because of synergy

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and supp you just run viol2t ljg ez clap

tropic herald
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Viol2t LJG would be hilarious

raw ermine
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the point of the WC in any sport is to have the best, not necessarily the best synergy

earnest leaf
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viol2t ljg in the backline

raw ermine
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your backline

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not theres

earnest leaf
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I mean for WC synergy also is pretty nice to have

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like how team USA had a lot

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3 shock members + space/rawkus who have played with them before

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where SK had a lot more mismatches

tropic herald
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SK backline was quite poor

silk frost
next mesa
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Man sk can run 100 variations of their roster and they will still win lmak

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Lmao*

digital cloud
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not so sure team China wouldn't be the winners

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they have gotten much better

next mesa
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solid second place

tropic herald
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on a side note Avrl watching RunAway v KDP from 2018

sullen berry
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ranks as one of the best OW match of all time

tropic herald
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It is from before R0ar was washed too

sand violet
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China can compete with Korea in OWWC

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assuming they were both able to run their best rosters

cedar oasis
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Korea would just pick up idk again

velvet void
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Hello everyone. Who can help me check the tournament regulations? We recently translated it into English and now we want to check that everything is cool. 👀
Dm me :)

feral zodiac
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I'd take smurf over fearless because of flexibility

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Britain in the wc be like
'Pls boost us ksp'

plush light
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Kariv ljg, fearless void, decay fleta

next mesa
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Kariv lmao wtf

mortal abyss
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Smurf void ljg alarm decay fleta/profit

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It’s a 7 man roster right

next mesa
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I will take diem profit and viol2t

jolly steeple
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7 man

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mag void
birdring ivy striker
alarm moth

next mesa
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moth is korean yes yes

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💀

jolly steeple
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oh its korean only

next mesa
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oh

jolly steeple
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thats dumb

next mesa
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we were talking about owwc

jolly steeple
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oh ok

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replace moth with sanguinar or ljg

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or ch0r0ng if hes eligibke

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so
mag void
bird ivy striker
alarm ch0r0ng
if they hold owwc when they normally do this works

raw ermine
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That feels like too risky of a lineup, I think most people would go for the safer smurf void profit decay fleta viol2t LJG (yes LJG isn't safe but crusty will coach him so hopefully thats something)

slow kraken
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I feel like LJG is the western Asian player

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Plays like a western player to much like going off script

jolly steeple
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how is that risky

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it has mag void bird ivy striker alarm

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even if you dont wanna count mag thats still 5 very proven players

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also profit is just not even close to your best option

next mesa
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profitgang

raw ermine
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birdring is good but inconsistent, I feel like better options could be available over Ivy, and 2 players that haven't ever played in OWL is risky to me

next mesa
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I take viol2t for the big dick energy

jolly steeple
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I take ivy because I feel like he is the number 1 player on many heroes

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striker is the roundoff and hes the best tracer in owl

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I could take like fleta and have someone whos top tier on every hero

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but I prefer ivy

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w/ striker

next mesa
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why did carpe hanzo not ivy in the playoffs

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am confusion

forest raven
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because philly dumb

jolly steeple
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ivy came in for one map and carried

next mesa
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still got swept doe and like idk why not play him for all maps

jolly steeple
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they won the map that he played for

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I think

forest raven
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putting faith in philly pepeLaugh

next mesa
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philly didnt win any map

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uh im talking about grand finals

forest raven
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they went 0-6

next mesa
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idk what happened before

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yes

forest raven
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in grand final playoffs

jolly steeple
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they lost the ivy map?

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crazy

forest raven
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utterly demolished by seoul and shanghai

next mesa
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dumpstered

mortal abyss
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😦

mortal abyss
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Which just

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Doesn’t make ANY sense

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(The heesu widow part)

true hound
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did my man carpe dirty

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😭

sand violet
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I see terrible takes in chat today

plush grail
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says u

sand violet
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i dont think youve ever had a good take in your life idk

plush grail
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i've had amazing takes

sand violet
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anyways birdring hasnt been inconsistent in forever on glads he just had a terrible fucking team around him until kevster showed ip

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up

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and ppl better than... ivy? Hes like arguably the best flex dps player in the league lol

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fleta is worse on proj like mei, profit has a way smaller hero pool,

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shit idek who else ppl would try to argue is near ivy

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and also saying players like mag are unproven but I cba to explain for the 1000th time

plush grail
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Ivy is only the best rn because a few of the top flex dps have no team

sand violet
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He was better than libero all of last season the only one who could compete on proj like what he plays was rascal

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fleta is a super strong all around flex/hyper flex but for the sake of owwc you dont need a hyper flex since you can pick up specialists since its not a limited player roster

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so for your proj dps you want the best proj player

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which is ivy

plush grail
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also real talk

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kevster is the most overhyped owl player ever

sand violet
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not rly he has insane potential

sullen berry
plush grail
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still

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so much hype

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nothing to show for it

sand violet
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Yes but his hype is deserved

velvet void
sand violet
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if u think he hasnt shown anything for it then u havent been watching pro play lol

sullen berry
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oh jeez. This community sometimes HammondTired

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DM me if you just need someone to review english translation for that tournament

plush grail
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kevster hasn't carried la glads to a championship

sand violet
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He was 10x far and away the best player in NA contenders and immediately made gladiators way better the second he started playing

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bro

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are you dumb or smth?

velvet void
sand violet
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He was signed mid way through the season and was playing on ping no shit he didnt carry them to a championship they had no shot of it by the time he joined...

plush grail
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still nothing to show for it

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someone like decay has proof

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he joined the justice and they instantly shot up

sand violet
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He joined the glads and they instantly got better...

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Its not like decay was the only person to join justice and make them better...

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Chilhwa Jjanu and Stitch were also added....

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like bro?

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You called my takes bad?

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lol !

plush grail
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i think kevster is a good player, just not the top tier #1 dps people think he is

vagrant cargo
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profit never carried anyone to a championship win

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every single london player was absolutely popping tf off in finals

limber pine
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that one loss to HOU oof

sand violet
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No one is calling kevster the best dps anyways

vagrant cargo
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also basing a players skill on placements is dumb as fuck

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fleta never won anything with seoul

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infact he was also quite one of their worse players in stage 4

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and yet he is the best flex dps in the world

sand violet
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  • leave is the best fdps in the world but carry on
vagrant cargo
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LMAO

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kevster is easily a top 5 fdps rn

plush grail
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but still, claiming he instantly made glads better doesn't show at all in the results

vagrant cargo
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because results are always influenced and he was on high ping

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he only had birdring the other players were shit

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except space every 3 games i guess

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glads looked way more competitive w him already in

plush grail
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kevster mid

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bumper is a real dps

sand violet
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man just stop typing

vagrant cargo
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haha guys i made shit points for a wrong argument

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now i go make funny joke

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!

plush grail
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bruh ur so annoying saint

sand violet
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lick my nuts 💯

plush grail
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legit get so butthurt when people say a different opinion

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and then u get ur friends to join u and suck up to u

vagrant cargo
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nah

plush grail
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jesus you are so annoying

sand violet
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I dont get mad about opinions u didnt have any explanation for your opinion

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other than "kevster mid"

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right

vagrant cargo
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hes only annoying when someone has a shit opinion w shit arguments

sand violet
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then when ppl called out ur bad points u got mad

vagrant cargo
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me and him have a bunch of disagreements

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but we can make valid points etc

sand violet
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weird !

tame valley
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this is getting heated

vagrant cargo
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thats the difference

plush grail
sand violet
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I literally said no one has ever claimed hes the best?

vagrant cargo
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no one

sand violet
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and that you cant judge players off of results?

vagrant cargo
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thinks kevster is the best

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kevster is top 5 but not the best

plush grail
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legit the entire r/cow looks up to him as a god

sand violet
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I can make up things to argue about to im so mad that people said leave is the worst player in the world

vagrant cargo
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yeah cuz he is in tier

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indeed

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top tier

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also saying he is the most overhyped player ever in owl

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when ppl like lip poko and danteh exist

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is crazy

plush grail
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i legit dont see any hype for lip

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just people saying lip is 50/50 with his playstyle

vagrant cargo
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nah lip gets hyped by casuals

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because like u they think results are the whole story : D

sand violet
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in this chat

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a few days ago

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ppl overrate lip like crazy

plush grail
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no i was talking about results because saint said that kevster joining la glads instantly made them way better

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and that wasn't noticeable in the results

mortal abyss
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Ppl overrate poko?

vagrant cargo
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yeaj

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poko is B tier

plush grail
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poko is okay

vagrant cargo
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also kevster improved their gameplay instantly

mortal abyss
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Yeah

vagrant cargo
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yeah thats B tier

mortal abyss
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Tbf that’s probably because he has a huge fan base

true hound
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poko

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?

plush grail
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poko is a decent player with tons of fans

vagrant cargo
true hound
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xd

vagrant cargo
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top 5 dva player and benchmark for top tier

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like cmon bruh

silk frost
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I mean Poko IS very good

true hound
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hes on the same team as Fury though

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well not anymore

silk frost
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I think a bit below

sand violet
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I can name a minimum 10 players better than poko

vagrant cargo
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he is okay

sand violet
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actually prob way more

vagrant cargo
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he is a B tier OT

true hound
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did poko even gte picked up

plush grail
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lmao name 10

silk frost
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Yeah ten is a bit much

true hound
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  1. muma
sand violet
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Fury Void Hanbin Choi Crong Gargoyle Lige Bernar Bianca Michelle Molfig

vagrant cargo
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void cr0ng hanbin gargoyle fury choi bernar molf1g bianca toyou michelle

sand violet
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at a MINIMUM

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toyou too

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forgot them

vagrant cargo
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punk with lori coaching could also catch up

silk frost
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Woah

sand violet
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gbs when he moves up

silk frost
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Molf1g and michelle

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Better than poko?

sand violet
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YES

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not even close

plush grail
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also bernar?

vagrant cargo
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if u think molf is worse u didnt watch hurricane

sand violet
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for molfig

vagrant cargo
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like everyone in eu that has somewhat contact w the scene will tell u molf is the best eu ot and its not close

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michelle under KDG was top 5

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mans crazy underrated

silk frost
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Michelle was top 5 on sombra to be fair

sand violet
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Void Hanbin Gargoyle Crong Choi Fury Lige Bernar Bianca Michelle Molfig Toyou GBS

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all better

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thats 13 ots

vagrant cargo
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no he was also a top 5 dva

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top 5 zarya

sand violet
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better than poko

vagrant cargo
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top 3 hog

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and his sig is good too now

sand violet
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and even if you somehow take out michelle molfig (which makes ZERO SENSE) thats still 11 better ots...

vagrant cargo
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also the last showings were definitely not good

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when he was in playoffs he was bad and when he played zarya vs glads he got absolutely rolled by MIRROR

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not even a OT player hard diffed him

sand violet
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so again tell me poko isnt overrated lmao

silk frost
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Well DPS players still have GOATS brains so their zars are still really good

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Decay diff'd EVERY OT

vagrant cargo
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decay was a top tier zarya in goats

plush grail
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decay got pumped with every resource and fucked lmao

vagrant cargo
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mirror is only good mechanically

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he was a ladder warrior zarya on uprising acad

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like poko had way more ressources

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ah really good ot should not get harddiffed by a ladder zarya especialy not when they have mt diff and the best backline in the world vs a bottom 3 backline

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and suddenly when eqo and poko got swapped out

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philly started winning

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😮

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crazy

plush grail
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the eqo hate continues

sand violet
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its literally stating a fact

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lol

plush grail
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okay sorry please dont get more of ur friends in here to suck up to u

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forgive me

sand violet
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Yeah man good point

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someone agrees with me

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must be my goons

tropic herald
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Honestly really sad that Philly fumbled the ball on GBS

plush grail
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amazing name

tropic herald
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Anyways, I think Toronto will surprise a lot of people this year, at least up until recently no one ever really liked them as top tier

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KDG boutta make another monster team

plush grail
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they have to perform tbh

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they picked up so many good pieces

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also im pretty sure toronto was like #6/#5 on most rankings

vagrant cargo
plush grail
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okay

vagrant cargo
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homeboy had one good performance in finals

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that was it

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he was decent before that and then got absolutely rolled

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by kevster in the mirror and permabenched

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idk not a good look on him

next mesa
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why is he still on fusion

tropic herald
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Yeah Eqo is alright, but Philly faith in him as the sole projectile player doesn’t look good

vagrant cargo
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my theory is that shockwave takes over

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he has good projectile mechanics

plush grail
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eqo is a grinder

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he'll come back better

vagrant cargo
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yeah bro sure

tropic herald
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Yeah but Shockwave is just better

vagrant cargo
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thats why he didnt even got considered for playoffs

visual rock
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Eqo is gonna get benched by someone transitioning roles

vagrant cargo
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😭

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his grinding after the final loss made him worse

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😳

visual rock
#

Also being a grinder doesn’t matter if you’re not good

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Almost every asian player grinds just as hard if not more

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Nico was praised for his hard work but he sucks

mortal abyss
#

eqo will probably just focus on like pharah Mei genji and let shockwave and carpe take the rest

plush grail
#

eqo is gonna prove everyone wrong

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i trust in him

mortal abyss
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I hope so

visual rock
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i hope he does

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but i doubt it

mortal abyss
#

But phillys biggest concern rn is off tank

visual rock
#

Agreed

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Poko is bottom 2 off tank in apac

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Ninek will have to put extra work in

plush grail
#

poko eqo top tier

tropic herald
#

I think Philly will only be better than Valiant for sure and then probably Seoul if it’s there off week

plush grail
#

seoul has sbb man

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they're gonna be #1

next mesa
#

benched by profit

tropic herald
#

Sbb shouldn’t be playing over Profit or Fits if Seoul wants to win

vagrant cargo
plush grail
vagrant cargo
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how u gonna call kevster most overrated

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and then say shit like that

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when poko and eqo havent won anything in their entire career

mortal abyss
#

Philly still have arguably the best support line in APAC, tbh 2nd to 7th in APAC will probably fluctuate like crazy

plush grail
#

apac is weird

vagrant cargo
#

philly have best hitscan best mt and best backline

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imo

plush grail
#

valiant probably worst and shanghai #1

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all the other just change every week

vagrant cargo
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ot bottom 2

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and eqo is actually flat out the worst starting dps

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in apac

tropic herald
#

I just look at Shanghai Chengdu and Hangzhou they have overall good rosters

mortal abyss
vagrant cargo
#

spark lack coaching tho imo

tropic herald
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Then you have Guangzhou who has Archane

vagrant cargo
#

diem > carpe is fair

tropic herald
#

Don’t Spark have the ex Titans coaches

next mesa
#

are you saying shockwave >carpe

plush grail
#

spark has so many good players

vagrant cargo
#

pajion has been there for a while

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and they looked bad

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and the word on the street is that pajion never did much anyways

mortal abyss
vagrant cargo
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both funi and titans were player ran mostly

tropic herald
#

Probably an Aero Funi thing

vagrant cargo
#

ye

mortal abyss
vagrant cargo
#

also i think valiant securing krystal

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is important

plush grail
vagrant cargo
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because he is a god tier talent

tropic herald
#

Krystal is good yeah but his out of game behavior

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Is rough

mortal abyss
#

Really?

vagrant cargo
#

eh

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the story isnt rlly public

plush grail
#

didn't he have to go home because of visa and then stayed for his gf??

mortal abyss
#

Oh yeah

vagrant cargo
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thats simplified

tropic herald
#

He went home Bc his mom was sick and then there was pics of him out and about with his mom n gg

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Gf

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Hangzhou org didn’t like that one

vagrant cargo
#

they also told him that he can get traded if he wanted too

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and then ghosted orgs that dmed him

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etc

plush grail
#

do we have enough players who have been in controversies to make a team out of them?

true hound
#

yes

vagrant cargo
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both were in the wrong

true hound
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krystal mouffin dk xqc and uhh

plush grail
#

jhong

true hound
#

coluge

plush grail
#

taimou

true hound
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bam

plush grail
#

harryhook

tropic herald
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Bdosin

plush grail
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wasn't bdosin just super toxic?

vagrant cargo
#

eh

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i can make a better roster i think

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gimme a few secs

tropic herald
#

You also got Envy 🤠👍

vagrant cargo
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Krystal Happy Sado Envy Viol2t Gambler

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happy sado were massive boosters viol2t told chinese players they should get their own server and then inted their games on purpose

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krystal is krystal duh

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and gambler pulled a jehong ages ago

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and envy is envy LMAO

tropic herald
#

Envy is was just a scrim thrower and toxic in general

vagrant cargo
#

ye

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tbf i could also make a full eu team

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but i dont wanna leak not public stuff that could get ppl canceled xd

plush grail
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its interesting how every ex og envyus player either went out with controversy or just dissapeared never to be seen again

tropic herald
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Yeah there’s probably lots of stuff on current owl players but no one says anything out of fear and uncomfortableness, which is respectable

plush grail
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sex big dick

vagrant cargo
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i can name like 5 owl players who dropped the n word in ranked n shit like dat

plush grail
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big flex

worn falcon
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babybay the csgo cheater

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dafran with the #throw4dafran

sullen berry
#

if you could ask fkitseominsoo a question, what would it be?

plush grail
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why did my gf leave me

sullen berry
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it's literally a fan account but i'll pass it on

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fkitseominsoo steals yo girl

plush grail
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:(

trail perch
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Just for more flexability on hitscan

vagrant cargo
#

i forgot bqb

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yeah bqb>happy no brainer

trail perch
#

Maybe even Decay? wasnt he throwing scrims and refusing to play?

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And Maybe Fissure on MT because of the same reasons

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Rascal was dropped from dallas for toxicity

raw ermine
#

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rip twinkl, the LS coach from last year, joined a valorant team as a coach

kind ridge
#

how severe were the punishments

raw ermine
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I don't remember any doing that, but OWL takes those types of things very seriously

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multigame bans and fines in the 1000's

kind ridge
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oh ok

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i just want to hear who he thinks it is

slow kraken
#

Remember when violet got a GB for yelling on comp for someone to go brig

vagrant cargo
kind ridge
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ok

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they gon get cancelled

hot onyx
noble nexus
#

owl fine people for fucking nothing sometimes

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it's weird

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like them trying to fine a player for using pepe when people were saying pepe was a racist symbol or whatever it was

raw ermine
#

that was silkthread, and he appealed it and won

balmy wolf
#

cant forget about jake

tropic herald
#

I love that Jake is the reason match chat was hidden for so long

balmy wolf
#

mad shit talker in games

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he thinking about that mental game lmao

raw ermine
#

He came back to replace rascal's presence in the match chat

noble nexus
#

yeah I forgot silkthread's name

#

he said he regrets appealing it so he could be remembered as the guy who got fined because of pepe

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and that's a real man's mentality

worn falcon
next mesa
#

What would be others

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Choisehwan is one?

raw ermine
#

I assumed he meant current FDPS that are available

ebon iron
#

choisehwan prolly 3rd

#

and idk who he rates above assassin

#

but if I had to choose it would be although or maybe checkmate

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but I still have assassin pretty high

next mesa
#

Oh yeah pelican #1

novel owl
sullen berry
hardy gazelle
#

Hell there

karmic grotto
#

But if Justice sees potential even if he's rated lower, they can make him into a star

raven shadow
#

thoughts on Super and SFS in S3?

plush grail
#

Ugly and sloppy

sullen berry
#

Mostly hairy postseason

#

They teetered with Shock but were ready to plow everyone they faced

#

The only exceptions include moments where Paris cut them too close during summer showdown

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When Valiant was at its peak, of all times, during lockdown and the games just began to go online

#

And lastly, Philly with its last regular season match against them and they lost 3-0

raw ermine
#

lmfao pine has an alt account called "carpeansdiem"

#

I love it

next mesa
#

The combination of all 3

#

Ya know the playoff meta was still like really good for them

#

Striker viol2t choi ans, maybe both on their best heroes

#

Although undoubtedly they would've done great in any meta

noble nexus
#

except anything with a sombra

tropic herald
#

Continually popping off with guests

raw ermine
#

Soe is appearing on the show, as well

feral zodiac
#

I'd say shock looked mortal last season, but still very difficult to take down

plush light
#

The fl0w3r discord is so dead.

jolly steeple
#

das bcuz he is bad!!!

topaz ridge
#

I mean if it’s a discord dedicated to a player who hasn’t played in almost 2 years I’d be surprised if it wasn’t dead

sharp fern
feral zodiac
next mesa
#

they lost convincingly like 1 time if u count that one win philly got against them

noble nexus
#

philly roll them 1 game after losing a finals to them didn't they

tropic herald
#

They didn’t really have any dominant wins of tourneys or even playoffs really

next mesa
#

4-2

feral zodiac
next mesa
#

3 times 2 at the beginning of the season when crusty was like lets not play double shield

plush light
#

Fl0w3r isn't bad, he just lost motivation

sand violet
#

if u count the 2 losses at the beginning as them being mortal thats just... weird

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they played hard off meta with choi on ball

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and genji dive

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lol

raw ermine
#

it was musical chairs

sand violet
#

it was just them sand bagging like not them playing weaker than usual

raw ermine
#

sinatraa on OT, arch on support, rascal on support

sand violet
#

they had one relevant loss which was against fusion but they won the tournament so the regular season match didnt rly matter

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they lost 3 matches and 2 of them were them doing stupid shit to test stuff out

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so a team having 1 serious loss doesnt seem very mortal to me

#

I guess they lost to paris in that one tournament but they were forcing off meta the whole time and still lost by 1 map on 1 point by 100-99 and lost by 1 sparkle ult

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so its not like it wasnt EXTREMELY close

wanton birch
#

This might be a super hot take but I don’t think that shocks dps line is all that

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Yeah striker is an insane tracer but Nero and Ta1yo are only ok imo and I think glister is overrated at the moment

noble nexus
#

this season or last?

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ok yeah that's not a hot take at all

#

shock doubters only ever doubt the dps

wanton birch
#

I mean how could anyone doubt violet fdgod and twilight ?

noble nexus
#

fdgod is not moth

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moth comms made the shock

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imo

digital cloud
#

Fdgod feeds

noble nexus
#

they can adapt around it tho

#

viol2t feeds

#

if they all feed together

#

they're an unstoppable force

#

it's genius

wanton birch
#

I think fdgod is still top 4 main support even with his flaws

noble nexus
#

absolutely

green stump
wanton birch
#

Meanwhile Taiyo and Nero are in the bottom half

noble nexus
#

taiyo played like once and nero was benched and had 200 ping

#

wait and see

wanton birch
#

And even though glister showed promise I still see him being mid

noble nexus
#

ehhh

#

he looked good on a garbage team

#

london got stomped every week and glister still looked decent

digital cloud
#

I have a hard time seeing Shock screwing up with picks

noble nexus
#

when shock have the meta wrong they have it terribly wrong

digital cloud
#

But yeah, this year looks weaker for them

wanton birch
#

I think justice glads and shock are very close

noble nexus
#

only issue I have is justice support line

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is not close to shock's or glad's

wanton birch
#

Yeah but I think if mag is as good as he was , the rest of the team can make up for mid level supports

digital cloud
#

Yeah, glads Shock > justice

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Thing is, muze smurf still gods

noble nexus
#

yeah mag doesn't mtd either of those

wanton birch
#

I think glads vs justice comes down to which tank does better

digital cloud
#

Not by much, IMO

wanton birch
#

It’s just so close between all of them

noble nexus
#

glads vs justice tank line justice takes it

wanton birch
#

Yeah

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Supports, glads take it

karmic grotto
#

i want a show match now

noble nexus
#

glads support line is probably my #1 support line this season

#

but I'm a Shu fanboy so it is what it is

wanton birch
#

My boy skewed the hard carry

noble nexus
#

he exists

#

woops

wanton birch
#

His brig was actually pretty good in the winter ball

noble nexus
#

yeah that's all I know of him

#

I assume it's just for double flex and brig

wanton birch
#

Yeah his team was ass

#

Though like 3 of them got picked up somehow

#

Probably did well in trials

noble nexus
#

yeah I'd assume they put the work in for trials

#

also could be coachable into something top tier

#

god knows what they see in them until we see them play tho

sand violet
#

mag is already better than muze

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and prob better than smurf

#

since when do ppl rate muze higher than mag

wanton birch
#

No one said muze was better ?

digital cloud
#

I don’t, I just don’t see the difference as being all that impactful when it comes to the top teams. Choi is probably < Void now, but I don’t see that impacting them much in a head to head

noble nexus
#

idk about prob better than smurf my guy

sand violet
#

Hes more flexible than smurf is

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and just as good on his tanks

digital cloud
#

The difference isn’t as big as that of the support lines for justice compared to Shock or glads IMO

noble nexus
#

yeah that's the only difference I see

digital cloud
#

Though it could be that mag just blows smurf and muze out of the water

noble nexus
#

and the shock dps are a bit iffy

sand violet
#

theres a reason why most ppl are projecting mag as #1 mt and why he was projected as roty

wanton birch
#

Who do you think has higher potential kevster or mag ?

sand violet
#

both have potential to be at the top in their role

#

but mag is prob more likely to do it

digital cloud
#

Kevster I think got a bit overrated due to his performance in the show matches

noble nexus
#

he played on ping and still looked good

digital cloud
#

Ngl, I got hyped for him too

wanton birch
#

I mean he’s hyped up so much even before he joined the league

digital cloud
#

He and pelican looked really good

wanton birch
#

If glads don’t finish at least top 5 na it’s on dpei

digital cloud
#

Or one of the players is worse than anticipated

#

Or the league gets cancelled

#

Or other teams are better than we think

#

Or any number of things

tropic herald
#

I think Outlaws might have a slow start but my faith in Junkbuck is high

wanton birch
#

i think houston is going to be ass

cedar oasis
#

Houston will be better then Atlanta

balmy wolf
#

atlanta pog

cedar oasis
#

No

#

Ratlanta

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Bad

mortal abyss
#

Lol

balmy wolf
#

atlanta very good

#

top 5 poooog

cedar oasis
#

What are you smoking

#

Ratlanta with their bottom 5 tank line

balmy wolf
#

best dps line na poooog

cedar oasis
#

Dont forget their below average support line

balmy wolf
#

lris is insane

#

masaa tho idk

#

underwhelming

cedar oasis
#

Exactly

balmy wolf
#

still top 5 pooooooog

cedar oasis
#

1 good support player isn't enough to make the pair good

balmy wolf
#

better than 2 bad ones

next mesa
#

I dont know how to rank apac they are too stacked

balmy wolf
#

i love dogman but

cedar oasis
#

Dog man is gone

#

Lmao

balmy wolf
#

ye

#

he washed

next mesa
#

bam

#

I think

cedar oasis
#

Apac is too stacked

next mesa
#

yes

#

wtf :/

cedar oasis
#

Anyone of them could win

balmy wolf
#

way too stacked

next mesa
#

dragons is like #1 but then the rest is like ????????

cloud latch
#

even lav lol

cedar oasis
#

Washington is too high

#

Their support line Is ass

next mesa
#

idk

#

I think the rest makes up for it

#

top 3 might be interchangeable

cedar oasis
#

Philly kinda low

#

They got cockwave and mano

next mesa
#

like I said apac too stacked :/

mortal abyss
#

You can put any team at any position from 2-7 and it would still be a relatively good take

tight hill
#

Idk about Boston and Huston over Atlanta

balmy wolf
#

finally someone

tropic herald
#

watching season 2 twilight

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this guy really tranced at the start of the fight into a grav, got 4 kills then had trance again

next mesa
#

hes a crackhead

tropic herald
#

this guy

next mesa
#

viol2t could leave and they would be fine

raw ermine
#

rip

tropic herald
#

and then you remember that Twilight ana is better than his zen

next mesa
#

sadge

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:/

#

yeahh I do think that twilight zen is really really good like barely worse than viol2t

mortal abyss
#

If twilight had more playtime last year or was on a different team he would be up as conversation of best flex support

tight hill
#

I think he was

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Violet is wired

#

His hero pool is wack

mortal abyss
#

Yeah... personally I have alarm 1 Viol2t 2 twilight 3 but it’s incredibly close

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Like

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Really really close

tight hill
#

I’m terms of just flex support I think Twilight is better but I think Viol2t is the better overall support

balmy wolf
#

its the oth3er way around lol

tight hill
#

Viol2t played Bap and Brig and was amazing but his Ana isint as good

sullen berry
sand violet
#

worse everything besides coaching

#

bottom 2 tank line, worse dps line, bottom 3 sup line

digital cloud
#

I think the tank line could surprise, but I agree on the rest

#

houston just never does well when picking players

#

it is kind of a thing for them by now

sand violet
#

I dont see how the tankline will surprise its only better than paris'

#

piggy is a bottom 3 ot tops

#

jjangu is just mediocre at best

#

just meh

#

and hes not gonna be helped by being surrounded with piggy joobi crimzo

#

not gonna get the help he needs to even look mid

#

so hes just going to look terrible

tropic herald
#

Word on the street is that Titans are not the worst team in scrims

#

It’s being said it’s Paris

digital cloud
#

I could see that

#

but then again, Xepher

earnest leaf
#

scrimbuxs op

digital cloud
#

never forget

earnest leaf
#

was it atlanta that was doing really well in scrims last year supposedly?

digital cloud
#

I don't remember

#

either way, history has demonstrated that scrimbux != winning

tropic herald
#

It was Valiant that was doing good in scrims

#

But everyone was doubting

earnest leaf
#

but who knows

#

Maybe FRD is a secret giga chad ot, and shredlock is top tier with him

tropic herald
#

The meta is shifting rn so it’s also hard to say that any team is the worst or best

earnest leaf
#

Or maybe linkzr is doing a deadlift for them

digital cloud
#

I have some level of hope that linkzr improves when not on Houston

#

even as still a Houston fan

raw ermine
#

teru was such a weird signing...

digital cloud
#

isn't teru supposed to be good?

raw ermine
#

probably

digital cloud
#

or am I thinking of toyou

raw ermine
#

both are good

earnest leaf
#

means dalton doesn't have to play flex dps as much

digital cloud
#

just drop dalton tbh

#

and probably linkzr

#

just use teru

#

clone teru

tropic herald
#

Sign Proper

#

Wait he’s 17

sand violet
#

god I forget linkzr is still in the league

tropic herald
#

Huh Mer1t is 18

#

I thought he was much younger

#

I thought he was good too, did no one want him?

raw ermine
#

not sure why, he did seem pretty good

#

also where's my boy kalios going?

tawdry hamlet
#

Aren't paris all playing on high ping in scrims though

#

Or did they move places

plush grail
#

they're gonna go undefeated the entire season prolly lmao

sullen berry
#

that's never how scrims logic works but if it works for you then ¯_(ツ)_/¯

#

if a team is doing well in scrims like LA last year

#

you have to ask why, after corroborating with multiple sources that they're "really good"

#

dallas even with decay was no match for a KSP or mcgravy bomb

digital cloud
#

. . .

#

what

#

valiant was not even good last year

#

am I not getting this . . .

hollow gazelle
#

Most people expected them to be trash and they were solid throughout the season but only top tier with tracer ashe comps

tawdry hamlet
#

If a consistent like 6th place is good I guess

wanton birch
#

I can’t wait to see how wrong my power rankings are XD

digital cloud
#

gonna be a while

wanton birch
#

Chengdu are gonna be top three in Asia

digital cloud
#

woah woah woah, starting strong I see

wanton birch
#

I think my list has a few spicy takes

digital cloud
#

they do have good players, dare I say it

wanton birch
#

Serious dark horse potential

#

I think Seoul and charge are gonna be pretty bad

next mesa
#

Seoul will lose to valiant and then win against dragons

noble nexus
#

that sounds impossible but if any team can pull that off it's seoul

plush light
#

I think boston is the best team in the world.

#

Closely followed by Vancouver

noble nexus
#

agreed!

next mesa
#

Omg i saw this meme

#

Owl fans: seominsoo can't really play anything on the spark

#

Devs after reaper buff: 👀

plush light
#

Seominsoo plays pharah. He could also specialize in zarya

#

He's a projectile player.

trail perch
#

Isnt he hitscan?

#

Cree

#

Widow

#

Zarya

#

Reaper is considered hitscan, with people like surefour, decay, striker playing him

#

Idk tho ive never seen his pharah

next mesa
#

I wish we actually had world.superteam vs shock

#

:/

trail perch
#

I wish we had lunatic hai vs. Shock

#

Og GC Busan Wave

#

OG Kongdoo pantera

#

Panthera

#

Og Runaway

#

All the APEX teams

#

Even Flash Lux

tropic herald
#

Pretty sure we get OWL schedule tomorrow

plush light
#

Og lw blue vs shock

tight axle
#

Spitfire vs shock

#

Basically S1 Champs vs S2/3 Champs

tropic herald
#

If anyone feels the need to show off your terrible takes

next mesa
#

whos the spark duo

#

architect

#

anddddddddddddd

#

I cant recognize

tropic herald
#

Shy

next mesa
#

spicy

#

probably

tropic herald
#

Ok I’ve realized I hate the dps tier list

tight axle
#

Why?

tropic herald
#

It’s just duos

balmy wolf
#

wheres spark

tight axle
#

Yeah. I would rather just rate full teams

#

But it's still fun

earnest leaf
#

dps duos is such a dogshit way to make a tierlist lmao

next mesa
#

oh crap spark

#

oops

#

idk

#

yes

earnest leaf
#

It's meta dependent on who plays

tropic herald
#

Yeah I agree, support duos and tank duos make sense

kind ridge
#

they never got around to taking kevsters pic

tropic herald
#

But most of the time dps get switched around

tight axle
#

Maybe do trios?

#

For dps

#

Or just full teams

tropic herald
#

Full team list

#

I can do that

balmy wolf
#

single tier dps is probs easier than duos imo

tight axle
#

Just rank every dps in the league

#

I would honestly do that

earnest leaf
#

even single dps is a pain since due to hero pools

tight axle
#

It would take a bit but would eb fun

next mesa
earnest leaf
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Unless you rate people based off flexibility

tight axle
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Maybe split between hs and flex though

next mesa
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wait

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mcd and idk

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idk

tropic herald
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Dropping the new and improved team list

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(Including scrimbux)

sand violet
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toronto third

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wow

tropic herald
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KDG plus some talent

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I have faith

sand violet
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not much talent lol

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he had talent on philly too

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and couldnt do it then either

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I dont have faith

tropic herald
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Philly still had a good season

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Minus the playoffs

sand violet
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yes but his team got obviously coach dif'd in playoffs

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idk people talk about him like hes crusty

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hes definitely a tier below guys like crusty, moon, chilhwa

next mesa
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ninek better yes

tropic herald
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Yeah true

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Idk why I just got faith in Toronto

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Probably gonna eat my words doe

balmy wolf
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u can reasonable say the hog meta in playoffs was horrible for everyone including kdg

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they still made it to the final four

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kdg will easily make toronto a playoff team

tropic herald
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I think within each tier teams can change around but that’s bout it

next mesa
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k

covert bane
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oh wait

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nvm

tight axle
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I can see that

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Honestly I'm not a justice fan. Biased yeah but I just don't like it

plush grail
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Philly so low?