Heres that logic
Rascal so good he aint picked up
#esports-discussion
silk frost
sand violet
Literally just not the same lol
next mesa
How is yveltal captain
sand violet
rascal's is an issue with money
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😔
silk frost
Rascal didnt get a call back by justice or toronto, excluding price
sand violet
ok, so one team ghosted him?
silk frost
Luffy in conteders
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Luffy not signed tragic
silk frost
Give me 4 support lines better than Yveltal molly
Obvious ones are shock fusion and dragons
tropic herald
glads, seoul, toronto,
next mesa
Toronto???
sand violet
chara shu is same as yveltal molly where one weights the other down
next mesa
Last season man
tropic herald
you talking this year or last year
sand violet
last year
tropic herald
oh then nevermind about mine lol
sand violet
but last year there are a minimum 6 teams with a better backline lol
shit I take spitfire's depending on meta
silk frost
Dude yveltal was the 2nd best mercy last year and could play brig/lucio to a decent level
silk frost
Im sorry???
next mesa
Ahead of tobi dang
silk frost
I think Tobi creative is higher on average but thats the 4th and last Id a gree with
next mesa
Saint tobi or anamo
sand violet
Not only was mercy like not meta for most of the time but even when she is shes not a high skill ceiling carry hero where having someone top 5 on her is important
tobi
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And why is tobi not signed
sand violet
easily
silk frost
...
sand violet
cuz shit happens
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Bitchhhhhhhh
sand violet
he didnt want to be with dynasty and then didnt get offered when he left, he will almost definitely be a mid season signing
silk frost
Shes considered one of the highest skill supports right now, and can definitely carry
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sand violet
Shes considered one of the highest skill supports right now, and can definitely ...
???????????????
what are you on
silk frost
Brain cells
sand violet
yeah I find that hard to believe LOL
it is physically impossible for mercy to carry when her highest impact value comes from increasing what someone else does LOL
silk frost
Just because a hero doesnt demand aim doesnt make them easy
sand violet
I didnt say that
silk frost
Then why is she easy
sand violet
dont create a strawman for ur weak ass argument
I said shes low skill ceiling because she is
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Seoul win this season easy
sand violet
yes, I said the skill ceiling isnt that high not that it doesnt existr
watch moth on lucio then halo on lucio
the skill ceiling is
10x more impactful
lmfao
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Ok I just wanna say choisehwan is a nut
silk frost
I dont think you realize how much goes on with merxy
sand violet
Literally everything that goes on with mercy goes on with every other support lmfao
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I'm just sayin
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Both chois nut
sand violet
I have never in my life heard someone say that mercy is high skill ceiling and that she can hard carry ESPECIALLY in pro play
like u wanna call leave > glister a hot take but thats 100x hotter
tropic herald
Anyways the Shock Chengdu thing
One of the Shock people said don’t get your hopes up
So don’t expect a player signing I’m guessing is the meaning
It could very easily be Chinese New Year collab of some sorts
sand violet
Possibly
They kinda casually rolled gauntlet
which was not weak competition
and they have a lot of synergy
next mesa
I wish they got signed all together
So tragic
If lige gets benched.for bernar it's a crime
sand violet
I just wanted lige and superrich to go to chengdu with gaga and 1987 :/
next mesa
Ikr :/
sand violet
like the dps line for chengdu + cc core + good coaching is top 5 without a doubt
but having elsa and nisha makes it kinda questionable
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Diya 
sand violet
I mean cc dps are good but like
leave kaneki jimmy
could absolutely be top 3 dps line in the league with time
sand violet
compare him to ans
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Xzi is like best chinese widow i have no idea
sand violet
aimbot sniper player
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I see
sand violet
ppls thought he was legit cheating
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That's pog
sand violet
like nero genuinely thought jimmy was aim hacking when he played against him
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He better pound some ass
sand violet
- he was teammates with kaneki so synergy there
tropic herald
APAC has some raw good hitscans this year
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Diem is diem
tropic herald
I think every team in APAC has a sniper player who is insane
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True
tropic herald
Actually don’t quote me on that
tropic herald
Wait no I think I’m right
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Needs some work doe
sand violet
yes chinese hitscans this season are INSANE
like genuinely biggest talent pool to pull from rn
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Jimmy fits diem lip mykaylee
tropic herald
Gwangboong, Jimmy, Diem, Shy, Kaylee
sand violet
on spark
tropic herald
Hangzhou
sand violet
hes been playing with spark since 2018 but he only just turned 18
next mesa
Omg remember godsb that's a person
sand violet
so now hes officially on roster
sand violet
yeah they scouted him early on so hes been scrimming with them even tho he couldnt play
tropic herald
Godsb has some good hitscan but he’s not quite the same as shy
sand violet
shy is a bit of a ? since we dont know how hes been since 2018 but considering he got scouted so early that suggests a LOT
tropic herald
Well he was playing for China in 2018 and that’s the year everyone started looking at China seriously
silk frost
Thats when people started looking at china in general
indigo void
How long has emongg been in sf shock?
feral zodiac
He streams for them, been doing it for about a week or two I believe
plush grail
''team review''
should be called
''4 dumbasses try to discuss a team that has 0 chance of winning anything in a serious way without sounding likes assholes''
ornate sigil
How do you get scouted?
next mesa
It's like less than 20 minutes
I mean reinforce rambled for like 5 min about how this roster is better than last year's and how the scouting is underrated
And then he suddenly went idk why I'm saying all of this they're not escaping bottom 3 lmfao
plush grail
i understand tbh
like london and paris also went fully budget
but they have chances to be decent
titans is just a roster made up of meh scraps from a bunch of teams
digital cloud
Teru is supposed to be p good though
mortal abyss
... so Aero and Jayne are starting an esports coaching org https://twitter.com/Aero_OW/status/1357698849364709379
raw ermine
imagine wanting to get coached for esports, and thinking to yourself "yeah, 2 s2 dallas fuel coaches sound good"
digital cloud
Basically
feral zodiac
Can't wait for it to crash and burn
tawdry hamlet
silk frost
Is it possible for them to get negative money
Because if they have a penny of expenses they'll be in more dent than the US
pastel hound
#server
crystal stirrup
Check out my video! ez
https://outplayed.tv/media/r0Nxy/overwatch-kill
mortal abyss
Not the right place
unique olive
What is the best team in owl
unique olive
Ye they are good
I could say Shanghai cuz of and but he left so yea
Also mayhem are decent and so are spitfires
plush grail
Also mayhem are decent and so are spitfires
spitfire 
hot onyx
This year I would honestly put dragons over the shock on the basis of them getting dps diffed
Admittedly shock has a slightly stronger support lineup but if it was an ana meta where tracer wasn’t viable it’d be pretty one sided
mortal abyss
Twilights ana is better then izayakis
feral zodiac
Twilight is the best ana in the league
And I rate the shock tanks over the dragons tanks atm
mortal abyss
I rate twilight as #2ama but yeah
feral zodiac
Who u got as #1?
mortal abyss
Alarm
feral zodiac
He played ana?
mortal abyss
Um yeah
mortal abyss
Lol
plush grail
This year I would honestly put dragons over the shock on the basis of them getti...
its still crazy how a team is allowed to have diem and fleta on 1 team
when the fuck
what
shax joined london????
true hound
o
hot onyx
Wait I just came back from eating my breakfast, shock still has twilight? Because I swear they didn’t confirm his contract renewal
plush grail
he got signed like mid way 2020
he either has a year contract or 2 year contract
or just extended
no way he's getting dropped anymore
hot onyx
Oh ok I retract my previous statement then
Still think shanghai is better but it wouldn’t be one sided
plush grail
idk tbh
fate was good on wrecking ball
but how about his rein
shd supports and dps are fine
but if fate has a meh rein they're kinda screwed
next mesa
but how about his rein
rein is shit anyways
noble nexus
rein gets rolled by 75% of the game's heroes
noble nexus
ehhh I probably still put shock above shd tho
mortal abyss
Main thing im concerned about for shock is their dps line is noticeably weaker compared to last years
mortal abyss
And they dont have ans anymore
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glister is not ans doe
we'll see
I will put dragons dps line #1 in the league doe
right now
mortal abyss
Thats fair
noble nexus
yeah probably are #1
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Fleta Erster Diem Lip what heroes dont you cover my guy
mortal abyss
Erster didn't play in Nexus right
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I lowkey want another widow meta just to see diem play
noble nexus
yeah diem is a fucking nutcase and they just didn't play him enough for some weird ass reason
trail perch
Lowkey erster might be washed
and what if they need to run tracer genji
or like doom genji
trail perch
he wasnt really when we saw him last year
During the genji meta he was very underwelming, so they replaced him with edison on genji
then when babybay retired and he had to play more genji, he never really stood out
looking at scrimbux, the justice might be insane
There are rumors that Ttuba is like the next coming of rascal
raw ermine
pretty sure even w/out scrimbux we knew that
trail perch
So like a Ttuba-Decay dps line
jolly steeple
ttuba looked good last season anyway
I had faith he would be like high a low s this season
trail perch
if so then that dps line will be top tier
because decay imo the best player in the league
cedar oasis
Overall tuba was meh for most of last season
trail perch
I think that decay is prob top 5 on every single dps character
if he actually played them
and he can play good zarya
as well as being the only tracer comprable to profit and striker
jolly steeple
if you think of his most recent showing on each hero
none of them were bad
besides echo
hes not even just a good proj
hes flexed and looked good
trail perch
idk i dont think his echo was bad, considering how early into the characters existence he played her
jolly steeple
I'm not worried about his echo next season
ttuba is a crazy grinder and hes proved that he can develop on a variety of heroes
and improve in all aspects
hot onyx
I want justice to be successful because the fans have definitely waited long enough for an improvement
But idk I’m just not getting the vibe that ttuba is gonna be the next big flex dps
Sure he might’ve popped off in scrims but that does not reflect on what his overall performance this season is going to be
Last season he only played a viable sombra in playoffs and a decent genji in summer showdown
hot onyx
Tbh might be a hot take but ttuba tracer was never anything that stood out to me
Personally I’d barely put him in the same tier with xzi for tracer play
Probably lower
hot onyx
Yeah you read my hot take correct
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ok
hot onyx
Xzi as we both know is a lot stronger on widow and mcree
hot onyx
Disagree with me putting xzi in mid-low tier tracer or putting ttuba below him?
hot onyx
I only saw ttuba have a standout tracer performance when he played against the titans
Western titans I should probably clarify
And also when they first came into the league as well
On stratus’ last owl game before going into full time streaming
Like I say ttuba isn’t a bad player but he is terrifyingly inconsistent
hot onyx
Recent results in his trials
Which he played in for one meta
If he popped off there who’s to say he’ll definitely do it again when the season starts?
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because justice signed him
hot onyx
Who’s to say he isn’t going to crumble like a soggy biscuit if washington makes it into a tournament?
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also he has just been getting better
he was popping off in playoffs
after summer showdown
ttuba stonks ⬆️
hot onyx
He flopped in countdown cup
ttuba stonks 📈📉📈📉📈📉
Also Levy lemme dm you something real quick
next mesa
he has a lot of pressure after getting picked over libero and rascal
hot onyx
Which he might do and I sympathise for him
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either he fucks or flops I hope he fucks
hot onyx
Honestly from an unbiased point of view I hope he fucks as well
earnest leaf
He was pounding pretty hard in the playoffs, so hopefully he does well
next mesa
he has potential to be s tier we just have to see
hot onyx
But it’s not to say I think him over libero and rascal was in the slightest a right decision
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yes am I tripping that he was playing tracer in the playoffs
not sombra
and jerry was on ashe
or am I tripping
hot onyx
I’m sorry what
earnest leaf
Stitch on Ashe
next mesa
yo dont mind me my iq is -900
plush grail
jerry was still stuck in boston hell
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yeah stitch on ashe thats what I meant
earnest leaf
My guess in him over rascal was money
hot onyx
So if your iq is that low why should I believe what you say about ttuba beibg good?
Nah I’m messing with you ik what you meant
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plush grail
ofcourse his iq is low, he thinks diya is getting signed
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rascal rather not play then play with little moneyÉ
?*
DIYA IS GETTING SIGNED 😤 😤 💪 💪
plush grail
there's a team called retirement that might wanna sign Diya
hot onyx
Dreamkazper Undead Mouffin Ryujehong
digital cloud
their team in valorant recently got wupped by sinatraa
not really super relevant but I was amused
next mesa
sinatraa has been fuckin
digital cloud
still kills me people thought he was the best ow player after getting mvp
I keep bitching about him not even being the best player on his team at the time
makes me sound butthurt, I know
hot onyx
Don’t worry I know how you feel
plush grail
i still really think the shock is only amazing because of the tanks
choi and smurf never get any hype
hot onyx
The best ow player was yet to be signed to a team when sinatraa won mvp
plush grail
it's always either viol2t or striker who get hyped
hot onyx
My man Zykk was done dirty
plush grail
die
digital cloud
what I mean was that he wasn't even the best one at the time
no hate to the dude, but it feels like no one bothered to check
they seem to think he is the best ow had to offer
hot onyx
If we’re basing it on flexibility and his performances then yeah he did deserve mvp
digital cloud
I keep feeling the need to say "no, guys, ow has talent much better than him"
plush grail
who is more flexible
digital cloud
I mean, he was flexible, that is true
next mesa
profit or fleta
plush grail
or like rascal or libero
plush grail
rascal is legit known as the flex god
hot onyx
Fleta and profits teams were barely making decent performances in season 2
Wouldn’t have been noticed
digital cloud
I wonder, as of right now, who could be considered the purely most skilled player to ever touch the game
plush grail
but nobody can compared to hotba
earnest leaf
I think the draw of sinatraa wasn't his gameplay mainly but more so his leadership
next mesa
fleta and profit has always been flex gods
hot onyx
but nobody can compared to hotba
Godba*
digital cloud
and what he did was flashy
next mesa
their team is like another thing
digital cloud
dude was the doom player after all
next mesa
just individually
plush grail
most talented is ameng
has been in owl for a while
just joins the game, fucks around on ball for a few games
and sometimes manages to win
digital cloud
don't you mean Muma or Roar
plush grail
No one talks about Janus anymore
who?
hot onyx
who?
Former New York Excelsior and Washington Justice main tank player Jun-Hwa Song aka “Janus”
That’s who
hot onyx
Is that something you order at a Chinese Restaurant?
next mesa
from lunatic hai
digital cloud
I remember the name, but not the player
plush grail
Is that something you order at a Chinese Restaurant?
leejaegon is good at feeding, might be a good cook
hot onyx
That’s the overwatch equivalent of believing fishers are pescatarian
forest raven
leetaejun fucked a fan, or multiple fans @next mesa
hot onyx
Carson moment
plush grail
i mean ljg fucks his fans in different ways
raw ermine
bruhhhh lmao
next mesa
by throwing
plush light
Who's the best hitscan in the league right now?
weak bolt
Not sure I could pick a best hitscan. Would have to narrow it down to heroes
mortal abyss
Yeah
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best widow: diem
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best sombra: I think its lip some people say heesu
mortal abyss
Best sombra is a split between heesu and Lupe
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best ashe: it was ans but now I think its diem (will have to see more)
earnest leaf
best cree xzi maybe?
mortal abyss
Mccree I think xzi?
weak bolt
BQB and KSP were pretty fucking nutty on Ashe too honestly
next mesa
playoffs
weak bolt
yeah I'd have Xzi as best Mcree, but not anything else
next mesa
he hasn't played ashe like the whole season
and first minute in the playoffs he clicks 4 heads
"im convinced"
weak bolt
I want to see Striker's widow. There were reports in S2 that he'd been grinding it so hard he was like S tier, but then ANS joined
noble nexus
we probably won't see it next season either if they're investing in glister
unless glister and striker are competing for playtime on widow
weak bolt
yeah its probably fallen away now
tropic herald
You could probably say any APAC hitscan this year for Ashe
noble nexus
if Striker grinds his widow and plays it in owl I don't find it hard to believe he'd be s tier on widow
ksp best ashe
kai*
tropic herald
Gwangboong in my heart
weak bolt
Honestly if I had to pick an all round best hitscan at the moment, I'd almost be giving it to Lip I think. (Assuming you count Sombra too)
raw ermine
fits is good all around
weak bolt
Fits was probably my 2nd choice, but then is he always as consistant as Lip? Not sure
raw ermine
Lip didn't really play widow/ashe enough, at least from what I saw
weak bolt
After that I think I'd be leaning towards BQB. He's pretty nutty on Widow, Sombra, Ashe
tropic herald
It’s because Fits neutral on Sombra simply isn’t that good
Relative to LIP
His neutral is fine but it’s not stellar
noble nexus
lip hits like 3 emps out of 10 it feels like
weak bolt
His emps can be very strange, but it works well on SHD, they follow up on it all
tropic herald
But it doesn’t matter that much against bad teams Bc LIP just gets another EMP at the end of the fight
noble nexus
fits probably best all round hitscan imo
weak bolt
I think Lip > BQB > Fits would be my top 3 all round hitscan.
tropic herald
I like BQB but there’s a lot of people you have him over
next mesa
I think bqb is A+ tier
tropic herald
Like where is Shy or Jimmy or Gwangboong or IM37 or XZI?
next mesa
idk about them yet
balmy wolf
fits way better
noble nexus
IM37 the gigachad
tropic herald
Been watching some Team Cat VODs and man Gwangboong is a treat
noble nexus
overall best everything
weak bolt
Xzi on Ashe/Sombra didn't look overly good, I think Bqb has it on the overall skill across all the hitscans
next mesa
if Lip also had like an A tier tracer he would be the best all around
or if profit had a sombra
tropic herald
Ngl BQB Sombra hasn’t been the same since a while ago
next mesa
actually no
tropic herald
The thing is, when does LIP need to play tracer
weak bolt
Who would be the ideal 2 dps for an OWL team if you could only have 2 DPS players in total I wonder. Meta could change at any time
mortal abyss
Fleta/profit decay
tropic herald
Fleta LIP
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profit fits
weak bolt
Fleta Lip would probably be my call too honestly. I think they'd cover everything
mortal abyss
Oh yeah lip
tropic herald
The issue with Shock dps is that lots of them are specialists so you can’t just pick two
weak bolt
Can profit still pull out a Doomfist or an Echo? He has a pocket genji but unsure on rest
tropic herald
Yeah if you playjng doom then you can just make profit do something that’s not doom
next mesa
it's like his only hero where he's like not that good at
i'd take fleta mei over profit mei tho
tropic herald
Fleta widow over Profit widow any day
Yes ik they are hitscan heroes but it’s still true
mortal abyss
I take profit on tracer, hanzo and pharah
weak bolt
Ok same question, you're only allowed 2 dps, and neither can be Korean. Who'd you pick
mortal abyss
ksp and like nero
tropic herald
Kevster Hybrid
next mesa
but like we dont know how true it is
also
I really hope diem wins widow 1v1 all stars
weak bolt
I reckon KSP Danteh would be my choice. It's hard when you rule out the dominant korean dps lol
balmy wolf
ksp kevster
tropic herald
Danteh not flexy enough to put on a 2 dps lineup
next mesa
so weird to say kai
balmy wolf
tru
next mesa
what can kevster not play
mortal abyss
kai kevster makes more sense yeah
mortal abyss
Have we seen kevster doom? idk
honest marlin
it wont let me unmute
raw ermine
probably not, as mirror plays the doom
honest marlin
brb
raw ermine
who are you talking to??
honest marlin
huh?
discord is being fucking difficult
IT WONT LET ME UNMUTE MY MIC
i try to download it but it goes to error
hi
sour lodge
send me montages please
plush light
Ok same question, you're only allowed 2 dps, and neither can be Korean. Who'd yo...
Krystal shy
Or kevster Shockwave for western
forest raven
plush light
I think that kevster birdring is the best dps duo in season 4 so far
forest raven
kevster is terrifying
plush light
Is it just me or is Elsa just the Chinese hotba
forest raven
hotba is korean
plush light
I meant chinese hotba
sand violet
Ans was never best ashe
His ashe was always worse than his widow
Id take bqb ashe before I take ans ashe
sand violet
If I'm picking all around hitscan then it's either decay birdring or maybe carpe
forest raven
i still remember when that was posted just before owl started
sand violet
With potential for Glister to take over
I wanna be biased and say leave too but not yet
sand violet
Striker is otp
He's best tracer in the league but no shot is he the best hitscan overall
forest raven
sand violet
If I have to build the best 2 man dps line in the league I'm going like Glister leave, birdring leave, birdring Glister, birdring fleta, etc
A combination of some of those ppl
Best 2 man dps line in the league is just your preference between 2 hyper flex players
RN with real rosters it's birdring kevster imo
Since they can play any meta
If you can only have 2 non koreans minimum first pick is kevster I think he's the best western dps
Second pick could be like ksp or something idk
mortal abyss
Why do you think kevster’s better then Kai? Not disagreeing just curious
next mesa
whos legatees
mortal abyss
Wtf autocorrect
sand violet
Kevster better than ksp cause he's top tier on way more heroes
And if you're looking at a 2 man dps line you need 2 flexible people
Ksp isn't exactly flexible
But options for western dps are limited
forest raven
i wanna see kevster fuck hard this season
tropic herald
Kevster just has a better pool, yeah Kai is insane but like Kevster is a whole different level and I hope he gets showcased on Glads this year
digital cloud
kevster is probably the best western dps produced to date
at least in owl
sugarfree I think if he sticks around might beat even him out
feral zodiac
Idk man, super is pretty nuts
raw ermine
not sinatraa? ik he's retired but still
sand violet
sinatraa had 1 dps character where he was top tier on
like he was phenomenal for shock but outside of that team where he could use his leadership and in the s2 meta
he would not have been mvp
he retired at the perfect time cause he wouldve fallen off HARD s3
sand violet
I definitely do
violet and choi had other ppl who could match them, sinatraa had a single person and individually they werent as good as sinatraa
plus sinatraa was the leader of that team
digital cloud
I wouldn't say violet or choi were matched, but I suppose you are right about sinatraa being harder to match
and while he was a good leader, it seems to be shock was able to have people step up without him
I guess what bothers me is that he wasn't the most skilled person, but he added more value than merely that
earnest leaf
I wonder if he was still on the team if they would of ran him on genji instead of forcing tracer
during the summer showdown
digital cloud
not sure they would have thought to have him practice it in time
plush light
I think the best way for nyxl to have played goats would have been mano on main tank, libero on dva/sombra, meko on zarya, sbb on brig, jjonak on flex support, sleep on main support.
tropic herald
silk frost
I can't believe they didn't sign jiqiren
gaunt acorn
@tender flint not until april
tropic herald
It has come to my attention that O2 was an insane team in goats
tender flint
K thanks
tropic herald
wow looking at their roster from then
raw ermine
2 hours?
tropic herald
oh wow
raw ermine
they seemed to be good
tropic herald
11pm est
tropic herald
Kaiser, Cr0ng, Proper, Pelican, Mandu, Myunb0ng
next mesa
apparently proper is really nut
raw ermine
fair
tropic herald
he is
next mesa
why not signed
tropic herald
also, avrl is currently watching the o2 runaway open scrim so if you want english commentary on a good game then go watch
tropic herald
Proper is 17
digital cloud
Pelican and proper would be an insane dps line
tropic herald
if a team manages to unite them next year, they will be so good
next mesa
yes they carried o2blast
tropic herald
Just stayed up an extra 2 hours to find out the Shock Hunters thing is a merch plug
hot heart
From what I've heard Proper would be a top 10 HS in OWL
sand violet
zero reason for chengdu to sign jiqiren when gaga is just better
worn falcon
Chengdu are gonna be the winners of this season 
worn falcon
Just make everyone lose because high ping
silk frost
Shock should sign jiqiren what
feral zodiac
Bruh I thought ameng was joining the shock for a second
fresh urchin
me too
noble nexus
cedar oasis
Most new players getting picked up are nuts
silk frost
I'm just pissed Lastro and rain arent going to justice
cedar oasis
They have aimgod dont they
silk frost
Bebe
tepid ibex
Bebe
plush light
I want Justice to sign bdosin
Or luffy
And then sign Kris for leadership
And brig/bap
next mesa
its so sad bdosin is such a good player but bad teammate
mortal abyss
If only we knew 😭
true hound
bdosin retired no
raw ermine
yes
also bad teammates?
he played with s1 london for 2 years, then seoul who made it to the finals. They were inconsistent but still
raw ermine
fair
next mesa
I think individually he's better than creative
raw ermine
still can't believe he was on SK OWWC in 2019
hot onyx
Oh yeah I completely forgot 2019 Korea threw the owwc with their support line
You have slime and a choice of twilight viol2t and jjonak and you take on board Bdosin and IDK
Might be a hot take but if sk had a better support line that year they would’ve for sure win against usa
Or at the very least made it nail-bitingly close
next mesa
the main problem was idk though not bdosin according to crusty
hot onyx
Bdosin is known to be toxic and there were at least 3 much better options
next mesa
could def see twilight being sad after losing gf and viol2t not giving a fuck after winning gf
this year I mean sk's gonna slap doe
they want revenge
hot onyx
Oh yeah for sure
feral zodiac
Korea is fuckin cracked out this year
Would be surprised if they drop a map to anyone
mortal abyss
there's no WC this year
silk frost
I mean idk was a good MS at the time
Like really good
And he said slime only worked well with other runaway members, namely bumper
So slime not getting in makes sense imo
cedar oasis
There was always anamo
hot onyx
Haksal was also on the 2019 sk roster
plush grail
like 2020 wc isn't happening
but in 2021
is there any team that could contest korea?
raw ermine
at most, team USA
cloud latch
china maybe
hot onyx
Team Brazil win easy
plush grail
all the american player i can think off are all tanks lmao
super, space, gator, beast
hawk
raw ermine
super, space, 3 of (danteh, ksf, Nero, Jake, Hydration), Moth, Lukemino?
hot onyx
I’d say danteh nero and take a chance on the hitscan player from American Tornado
raw ermine
wub?
cloud latch
hydron?
raw ermine
or him
hot onyx
Yes hydron
hot onyx
Can’t do much with just a decent coach
plush grail
jona gone, vizility gone, brussen inactive
hot onyx
Again though having a good coach is better than just having good players imo
plush grail
yeah thats true
i remember something about like a huge chunk of contenders players being dutch
so maybe he could work with that
hot onyx
If shock had imt and whynot as coaches last season instead of crusty arachne and junkbuck they’d probably only get 1 tourney win
plush grail
i still really believe the tankline carries the shock
i really wanna see how they play with 2 different tanks
plush grail
wh 
hot onyx
Tank line for season 1 shock
Nomy may be washed af but he’s still a better winston and orisa than super
plush grail
super sigma
next mesa
Lukemino or ultraviolet
hot onyx
Superbad as reinhardt this season
earnest leaf
It would be interesting to see super as a full time starting MT for a team
where he has to play all the MTs
next mesa
oh no on orisa duty
earnest leaf
orisa = drop shield and right click spam
occasionally press q
But orisa is probably not gonna be meta for the foreseeable future so long as sig isn't the best OT and ball is around mainly
feral zodiac
Super as a full time main tank would probably make it in at least half of the other owl teams
tropic herald
I bet glads wanted him
raw ermine
houston did, I think
noble nexus
yeah he did say houston were interested in him
cedar oasis
Houston would be interested in anyone after muma
sullen berry
Eventually he's going to reach that point
Where he interviews the esports hall of famers
tawdry hamlet
Esports pat mcafee slowly forming his audience and we get to watch him slowly organically grow 
Hype
upper niche
So uhhh... Uber leaving OWL eh?
forest raven
Thorin?
You mean the right wing nut job that supports Alex jones?
Thanks but no thanks
mortal abyss
So uhhh... Uber leaving OWL eh?
Wait what?
echo quest
hot onyx
So uhhh... Uber leaving OWL eh?
Really? I looked on his twitter and didn’t see anything of the sort
mortal abyss
He said he has an announcement but who knows
karmic grotto
rip blizzard
hot onyx
“Saddle up”
“I have gathered you here to announce that in 2 hours I will be streaming Overwatch on Twitch and trying to get to masters by playing just Mcree and Ashe”
sullen berry
kinda expecting it has some involvement with Valorant too
mortal abyss
If OWL loses Uber that's seriously bad
limber pine
Blizz would be smart to pay him what he wants. I don't think he's going anywhere though.
mortal abyss
Let’s hope so
silk frost
"I will be casting the first ever competitive Minecraft manhunt casted stream"
digital cloud
why did they need sbb
probably just for the sake of having him, if they were interested
cedar oasis
Sbb good
earnest leaf
plush grail
man cant wait to see super vs puberty
smurf vs country roads
viol2t vs the mercy one trick that wont switch
mortal abyss
What in the world is a chuckle challenge
plush grail
taiyo vs crusty
if taiyo wins he gets playtime
also is sinatraa not returning for even a single thing
mortal abyss
Wait so if shock vs the world is 12pm pt what time will all the other ow related stuff be at
noble nexus
there were some far better world team suggestions but I'll take it
mortal abyss
trail perch
wait the world team doesnt have a MT
That seems like a bit of an oversight
and 2 flex support players
and no real hitscan
trail perch
sleepy dogman support line
plush grail
dense pendant
mortal abyss
Apparently the world team were scrimming for this and the shock probably weren’t, so it’ll be closer then most think
plush grail
tbh the support line is gonna be garbage for the world
but dps and tanks might actually be amazing
but that depends tbh
mcgravy retired, he might not try his best
same goes for rascal
digital cloud
isn't this a just for fun thing
quartz cairn
digital cloud
I mean no one legitimately can expect this to be an actual game
tropic herald
It’s literally just a popularity team
noble nexus
shock will stomp
unless they throw
and don't put super on his comfort pick
genji
digital cloud
lol
next mesa
I like dpei
as a person
oh my god
Dpei puts jjonak as s tier
y know there must've been a reason why jjonak was the only kept piece
on nyxl
😳
oop dpei thinks friday is shit
"birdring needs to play the fucking game in the off season" LOOOOOL
im so fucking excited
weeeeeeeeeeeeee
cedar oasis
Jjonack comeback season
digital cloud
If you are saying exactly what he is, then I guess he is the high one
next mesa
and then he's like who else is s tier
viol2t alarm
izayaki
and then he was blanking out
and then he's like "oh yeah jjonak"
digital cloud
for support?
digital cloud
what about myungbong
tropic herald
He doesnt like the bong zen
next mesa
if jjonak gets smarter
tropic herald
Jjonak is still pretty good at every flex support
next mesa
idk man
next mesa
I think he's just all aim no brain
digital cloud
Idk
tropic herald
and then with Viol2t is like just too good at zen to not put S
tropic herald
Personally I'd rather see Twilight on Bap but its probably subjective
digital cloud
haven't seen twilight on bap for a hot minute
I have no idea
just know violet's is good
tropic herald
If Viol2t is a fragger, then Twilight is a enabler
tropic herald
Viol2t goes for kills and then heals, Twilight lets the team get kills by his effect
next mesa
crusty would rather have twilight on brig though
man I hope twilight gets more playtime
tropic herald
FDGod brig is good enough
next mesa
maybe like a new support
digital cloud
I can see why you might want a bit less aggression on brig
and yeah, FDGod has a decent brig
tropic herald
I want an Ana meta just so I can watch Twilight
digital cloud
maybe violet was just better
digital cloud
funnyastro is a weird case
next mesa
anyway
mortal abyss
I want an Ana meta just so I can watch Twilight
The countdown cup was so good for ana players (alarm and twilight specifically)
mortal abyss
alarm had to brig
That was only for summer showdown cause Philly were dedicated to shutting down sp9rkle so they had thier best brug player on brig, and in my eyes alarms brig is basically the best brig in the league
Astro has a good brig
next mesa
there's like 6 teams that can stand up to the shock theoritically
last year there was like
dragons
💀
mortal abyss
philly
next mesa
philly sometimes
digital cloud
philly only could due to sparkle
next mesa
philly beat them in like 1 match
mortal abyss
philly only could due to sparkle
what do you mean?
mortal abyss
do you mean paris?
mortal abyss
I wish dragons and shock played more
at least this season we'll get that more