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#esports-discussion
cedar oasis
earnest leaf
Those show matches mean nothing
digital cloud
apparently neither do real matches to some people
I am just gonna go off show matches until we get counter evidence
earnest leaf
the issue is the meta played during those show matches most likely will be completely different to when owl starts
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digital cloud
until Mayhem starts taking names and kicking ass in the regular season, Atlanta > Mayhem
earnest leaf
Also teams will have more scrim time to mesh together better
cedar oasis
Mayhem has oge
earnest leaf
It's like saying NYXL> shock because of scrims
cedar oasis
Oge is bad
digital cloud
nothing else to go off of
earnest leaf
Exactly, so we can't really properly predict
For all we know houston is gonna be the best team in the league
we have to wait and see how matches go once the league starts
digital cloud
evidence is evidence until better evidence comes along. it is not the same as nothing
cedar oasis
If Houston does good the world is ending
earnest leaf
By this line of logic nyxl is better than shock
digital cloud
if Houston gets a 50/50 record, I eat my hat
cedar oasis
Nyxl has potential to be very good
digital cloud
I know nothing of their current scrim/matchup results
digital cloud
possibly
cedar oasis
Shock is washed
cedar oasis
Like I always say shock is cock
digital cloud
Glister decent tru
true hound
i wanna see Carpe Shockwave duo now
carpe finally has someone to play widow along him
digital cloud
Cockwave gonna roll
cedar oasis
Cant heesu play widow
cedar oasis
You have angered the profit fans
digital cloud
playoff profit has never been enough
cedar oasis
Season 1
true hound
well yea cause
digital cloud
birdring was a huge part of it
cedar oasis
If Seoul do bad in the regular season they might not make it to the playoffs
Apac is stacked
digital cloud
Chengdu looking good
cedar oasis
Every apac team looks good
cedar oasis
They dont exist
cedar oasis
Is rapel even good
digital cloud
I know, that hurts me
mortal abyss
Does every team make playoffs again?
earnest leaf
houston has junkbuck now at least
cedar oasis
If the pandemic lessens then probably not
mortal abyss
i wanna see Carpe Shockwave duo now
i'm soooo excited to see shockwave on an actual good team
earnest leaf
And it's been said junkbuck is a big part of why usa won OWWC
So that should be nice for houston
digital cloud
true, but Houston only has like, joobi and crimzo for heals
earnest leaf
that is true
digital cloud
so that is a wash
cedar oasis
And danteh with his 3 heros he can play
earnest leaf
questionable supp line, but who knows
digital cloud
and we don't know how piggy and the mt who's name I don't remember are gonna do
plus danteh looked questionable at the end of last year
ksf is no nero
hydration kinda washed
idle forge
yall is boston midtier now?
cedar oasis
There is a possibility that Boston does decent
digital cloud
another one bites the dust
why could blizzard not let the scene grow organically
wy
y
idle forge
so the starting line up will probably be stand1/fusions(reign), punk, soon, fath, myongbong, and valentine
cedar oasis
Mc gravy was never that good
digital cloud
yes, but so many people quit this game
digital cloud
even as the fans hemorrhage away
pretty decent support line Boston has
dps is a mixed bag
offtank promising with gbs
cedar oasis
Soon does have a good widow
digital cloud
mt is meh
mortal abyss
I want fusions to do good this year, i loved watching him and kyb fuck at world cup
idle forge
i feel like fusions is a reign specialist and stand1 is an orisa specealist
im worried for dive though
digital cloud
it is rein dude
craggy sandal
Stand1 has a solid Winston
next mesa
stand1 is better at rein though
craggy sandal
And he has a good ball as well
next mesa
honestly dont see a world where fusion starts
earnest leaf
I could see stand1/fusions being like smurf/super
cedar oasis
Fusions isnt that good at rein
earnest leaf
stand1 focuses on all the other tanks, fusions focuses on rein
idle forge
ight, cuz stand1 didnt really play last year and fusions is solid at reign, so i feel like the mt role is the biggest limitng factor for boston
and there is also the question on how good is punk
cedar oasis
Fusions is barley solid
idle forge
thankfully it isnt a tank heavy meta right now, but if it does go back to pseudo-goats i see boston getting absolutely fucked
mortal abyss
By pseudo goats you mean the sombra reaper stuff at the end of s3?
digital cloud
well, with gbs on the academy team
idle forge
yea the sustain comps with dps
digital cloud
won't need punk, probably
idle forge
like the sombra/reaper, mei/reaper, . . .
digital cloud
mt though I see being a problem
idle forge
i feel like boston wont be as bad but it wont be good either
theyll be a bottom team that can keep it competitive with midtier ones
craggy sandal
Boston are going to be Toronto tier and have a hard time against the top
idle forge
exactly
cedar oasis
Na looks weak caompred to apac
digital cloud
overall, yeah
cedar oasis
Theres like 5 good teams
digital cloud
except Glads and shock
cedar oasis
Glads shock Washington Dallas
digital cloud
isn't Dallas Apac, or am I tripping
mortal abyss
Toronto are somewhat of a mystery card
craggy sandal
No
earnest leaf
Dallas will play in NA
craggy sandal
Dallas and justice could compete well against apac team
noble nexus
Dallas is NA but they did the Nexus cup thing because they're all in korea rn
digital cloud
that was probably what I was thinkin
cedar oasis
They have good pieces everywhere
noble nexus
Yeah I got confused about that myself
Dallas aren't as flexible as I would want them to be to consider them as title contenders
if they get a good meta for them they win everything
craggy sandal
They seem very meta dependent
earnest leaf
Dallas will fuck if they get a hackfist monkey sig meta
noble nexus
^
digital cloud
yeah, but that is practically tailored to them
cedar oasis
The meta will be junk soldier actualy
digital cloud
like, Blizzard favoritism tailored
mortal abyss
If dallas can get fearlees on monkey they'll look good
craggy sandal
Monkey or rein they will be good
digital cloud
depends on how Blizzard is balancing up to that point
noble nexus
their tracer situation is a bit iffy too
mortal abyss
Fearless monkey is best case scenario
cedar oasis
That's before repel gets exposed as being low mid tier
digital cloud
xzi not that bad
craggy sandal
Xzi is trash at tracer
noble nexus
xzi gets rolled in tracer duels if he's forced into them
craggy sandal
Sparkle is definitely better
noble nexus
if xzi is on tracer they need to 6v1 the enemy tracer before anything else
cedar oasis
If tracer becomes meta
noble nexus
tracer transcends meta
craggy sandal
Tracer will be meta quite often in na
cedar oasis
But during the playoffs the meta will change into Winston orisa junk soldier
next mesa
xzi cannot play anything except widow and cree dude
true hound
they kinda nasty tho
noble nexus
well yeah but when you need a good tracer player xzi is not the man for it
tawdry hamlet
tropic herald
I think meta might be double bubble soon
If thatās the case then Dallas will look good
craggy sandal
Ball is still going to be meta especially since the only thing that countered him got nerfed
next mesa
nah
silk frost
too bad Zebag didn't get signed too, I'm really upset actually
jolly steeple
craggy sandal
Florida bottom 2?
tropic herald
I think the zen nerfs at the high level might make Ana good so she makes monkey viable but since brig is still dominant Iād imagine Zarya sees playtime so monkey doesnāt die
silk frost
I cri everi tiem
feral zodiac
I don't think New York are gonna be that bad
tropic herald
Content creator
raw ermine
what do they mean, "old friend"?
did he play for sentinels in a game a while back?
oh wait
s1 OWL
sentinels part owned LAG
forgot
it says in here he retired officially
rip
Twitter
lmao
aged
interestingly
feral zodiac
Bruh
digital cloud
I do not remember the context of this
raw ermine
after LAG beat LAV
although tbf
nobody knows why dpei came at him so hard
nvm...
tropic herald
It was the battle of LA and people said there wasnāt enough trash talk
Boom trash tak Made
digital cloud
I see
dawn crescent
when did owl start last season
balmy wolf
oh shit boston actually pretty strong now
silk frost
I keep wanting to put them over Justice but Fury, Decay, Mag
BUT CLOSER BEBE TTUBA
do you see my dilema
raw ermine
lets see
silk frost
fuck it I'm doing it, added up the score I give each player on those 2 starting rosters on a scale of 1-10, boston got a 48 and Justice got a 46
raw ermine
lemme do that
mag-->7
fury-->10
decay-->10
ttuba-->6
bebe-->6
closer-->6
Stand1-->7
punk-->7
valentine-->8
soon-->7
faith-->7
myung-->7
WJ:45
BU:42
lotta 7's
slow kraken
Sadge to see mcgravy retire
wanton birch
Iām quite high on Boston but stand one and punk a 7 ???
raw ermine
they both make me go "ehhh"
raw ermine
he could be 9-10
fiery hollow
your mom is a 9
raw ermine
just hasn't played at OWL level yet
craggy sandal
Heās been pounding in Korea for the longest time
raw ermine
I wanted to be cautious, remember r0ar?
craggy sandal
Roar wasnāt even that impressive on kongdoo
next mesa
How is punk and stand1 and mag on the same level bye
fiery hollow
?
balmy wolf
mag has been agrubably the strongest t2 MT ever since the original runaway got picked up
fiery hollow
exactly
raw ermine
maybe I was bit too cautious, but I didn't wanna give a 9-10 yet
craggy sandal
Not event top 10 heās like top 7 rn in owl
And has potential for a top 3 overall main tank
craggy sandal
Theyāre just going to be a gatekeeper and just take some maps here and there from the top
balmy wolf
u never know
wanton birch
Holy shit looking at my power rankings is just š³
Itās so hard to predict this season
craggy sandal
Na is pretty straightforward but apac is where it usually gets interesting
next mesa
There's like no bad teams in apac
weak bolt
LAV maybe
craggy sandal
Depends on who they sign
weak bolt
Honestly i see potential for Philly to be a weak team in Apac this year too. I don't trust in the Mano Poko tank line much
craggy sandal
But fusion overall are still very solid and have a really good head coach
weak bolt
yeah, I just think last seasons results flattered the team a bit more than it was, and if anything their changes this season are mainly downgrades (Except Shockwave)
digital cloud
who got sado again?
weak bolt
Toronto could do well too honestly. They just have a big of a weird roster
digital cloud
don't they have agilities or smthn
next mesa
Mano is at worse a sidegrade from sado bro
Let's not be trippin
Fusion released ivy heesu which is tragedy got shockwave
raw ermine
no agilities
next mesa
Eqo is like b tier
raw ermine
he's gone
weak bolt
Imo Sado was on the upwards trend, where as Mano seems to be going downwards
weak bolt
Maybe it'll be different in a new team, but who knows
digital cloud
it is all a coin toss til the season rolls around
the only team I think I can say for sure is gonna be good is glads
weak bolt
Defiant roster is weird as hell. They have a semi decent 6 man korean roster + beast/Logix
digital cloud
honestly, not even sure shock will be as good still
though I won't be surprised, of course
next mesa
Im still not sure if glister can be ans level
Although yes wouldn't be surprised if he became ans level
weak bolt
Shock should be good still, but I don't think they'll be champions this year honestly
digital cloud
that is kind of what I was going for
next mesa
They were close
digital cloud
but we might ought to trust the Crust
next mesa
Honestly dragons maybe?
digital cloud
ehhh, no fearless
weak bolt
Other teams have spent big this year, Shock have stayed consistent which in the long term is probably better for the Org
digital cloud
not confident in them either
next mesa
Fate doe?
digital cloud
Fate is good, but fearless was proven a god with them
next mesa
In a ball meta I'd take fate over fearless anyday of the week
digital cloud
good point
weak bolt
Fate is probably just as good when you review over all the tanks, but Fearless is well ahead in the Winston
digital cloud
I don't think Winston is likely to be meta soon unless the other tanks get nerfed again or winston gets buffed
ball is still strong, and so is sig
feral zodiac
If the meta shifts in their favour/they have a good run seoul are contenders
weak bolt
I'm curious at what stage do they lock the patch for first stage of OWL
You'd think start of March would be likely timing
feral zodiac
I feel like glads and justice both have potential if the rosters stick well
next mesa
Dragons is more stable I'd still trust dragons more than seoul
Seoul on a good week yes
digital cloud
glads I think just have so many good components that they will be good, though maybe not champs
weak bolt
Apart from maybe 2 or 3 teams, I think any of the teams could have tournament wins this year
digital cloud
the rest I am not sure, but shock still seems likely to be good
due to being shock
digital cloud
despite my best efforts, I am also somewhat hopeful Houston is a sleeper pick
I doubt it greatly, but
weak bolt
Tracer/Widow meta and Houston could be crazy good
digital cloud
well, I wouldn't rate danteh that ultra high
and crimzo . . .
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
weak bolt
Crimzo/Joobi are the downsides to Houston, but if they get a moira/lucio meta, who knows
weak bolt
apparantly he's a hardcore grinder though and known for it
weak bolt
So wouldnt put it past him to get good on other tanks quick
balmy wolf
dont mean much, sig has been meta for months now
digital cloud
sig was like the only thing he needed to play, yeah
next mesa
Yeah i saw dpeis thing
balmy wolf
remember dva was basically the only OT for at least 2 years
digital cloud
I would not be surprised if piggy was able to pick up other stuff quick, considering
Joobi and crimzo though
those guys I think are the wildcards
wish houston had gotten backups
weak bolt
Put Faith/Myunbong on Houston instead of Joobi/Crimzo and lets go
weak bolt
Still time
weak bolt
Won't mean much if an OWL team comes after him again
weak bolt
For guaranteed salary, OWL exposure, and a roster that looks committed to improvement yep
digital cloud
he could make something of himself
Houston killed Meko's career
it could kill his too
weak bolt
yeah but last years Houston is like a whole new org to this year honestly
They ditched dead weight, got decent coaching, and actually brought in talent
weak bolt
Houston probably can't afford the fines for running Lastro and Jake in the same team chat though
digital cloud
I would say that junkbuck is a major upside
but you need the talent to coach
and I don't know if this Houston is it
weak bolt
This year is the chance for Houston as an org to turn its fortunes around. They've been a meme for years but all signs seem to show that changing
Decent prospect in a coach, a GM who understands OW and OWL, and clearly some money in the org finally
digital cloud
I suppose, but I don't see this team going that far
I can see maybe mid ranks
but I don't think it is gonna be good until at least another year
weak bolt
I think the right meta they could make a run in a tourney. Similar to paris last year
I dont expect them to be top of league by end of year though
Pretty much everything is impossible to predict this year and I love it. There aren't really any teams that look truly awful apart from maybe Titans
tawdry hamlet
happy danteh widow tracer would be fun to watch I think
as like a B+ tier lineup
tawdry hamlet
is happy a better widow than ksp?
next mesa
Have to see them match up first
tawdry hamlet
KSP is sometimes like the best widow ever and sometimes just A tier so idk
hard to judge
noble nexus
statistically crimzo is best support to ever touch the videogame so I don't really look into stats myself
but you could argue happy widow is the best in the league
up there with Diem and Ans
rip ans
tawdry hamlet
hmm I know at one point he was regarded very highly but it has been a bit so we will see
noble nexus
Happy looked insane when I saw him
so I reckon he'll swag out
plus he's replacing linkzr so as long as he's consistent he's an upgrade
tbh tho he's an upgrade even if he isn't consistent
tawdry hamlet
š
thinking about 2019 all stars before role lock when the widow 1v1s had flex supports thrown in
next mesa
Yeah diem is just
Diem
š³
I still stand by diem best widow
Dragons weird ass fuck man
They literally play him in the most important matches
Tourneys and playoffs
But rarely play him in actual matchrs
No time for synergy man
tawdry hamlet
funny looking at the dps lineups for the apac all star game, it was lowkey biased as fuck for team universe lmao they got ans decay fleta and profit vs triple a that got carpe haksal glister and yaki
noble nexus
all stars was fucked
noble nexus
yeahhh
noble nexus
they had most of shanghai
vs shanghai's weakest player on the other team
actually rigged
tawdry hamlet
I mean is iziyaki shanghais weakest player
noble nexus
I mean who else would it be?
tawdry hamlet
idk ljg exists I guess
last year they had extras like dding you could call the weakest but now there isn't a super weak player in any role
noble nexus
ehhh
next mesa
anyway yeah its rigged
noble nexus
ljg just needs to stop going ape mode against good teams
he can do it against shit teams like valiant
next mesa
wait was smurf not an all star
noble nexus
don't think so
earnest leaf
smurf robbed of all stars smh
next mesa
choi viol2t moth super ans
true
I mean tank all stars
who was it
hanbin fearless choi?
wait
tawdry hamlet
guxue took his spot I guess loll
next mesa
mega popular in china
tawdry hamlet
ameng was also an all star
tropic herald
LJG is literally the best ms in the world, hes so good and his team is so good that it doesnt matter what he does lol
noble nexus
the primal blade
craggy sandal
Astro is also up there
tawdry hamlet
I mean, maybe best all around main support
tropic herald
Moth's brig is why i wont put him as the best ms
next mesa
it's debatable
noble nexus
his brig is the only reason I'd ever put him above moth
next mesa
tobi mercy over ljg mercy
ok I think ljg is mechanically better but moth is just high iq
next mesa
yes
noble nexus
moth can be the only none korean on the team and communicate the best regardless
cracked at talking
next mesa
š
noble nexus
also just throwing it out there that I think Glister is gonna be a top tier hitscan this year and it's actually disgusting how underrated he was last season
also I'm predicting Shu as mvp next season
noble nexus
when I'm right people can tell me how cool I am
next mesa
I will be the first one to tell you how extremely cool you are
noble nexus
thanks bro
tropic herald
I think I will predict a longer name so I have a higher chance to be able to photoshop the right mvp
earnest leaf
I think it's fair to call Moth the best MS
noble nexus
gigabrain
tropic herald
Kevster MVP
next mesa
Im worried about fdgod and viol2t
raw ermine
I think ------------- will win MVP
next mesa
viol2t had moth to babysit him
earnest leaf
fdgod and viol2t in the backline
next mesa
fdgod? he'll be like no
balmy wolf
ljg is an actual fucking menace on brig
tropic herald
LJG taught me brig tech
tropic herald
I didnāt know it was a thing
balmy wolf
he was the best MS on brig all year
tropic herald
But you can bash dva bombs so they stop right where they are
earnest leaf
I wonder if shock is gonna get hyper aggressive this year
Since fdgod/viol2t are gonna want blood
noble nexus
okay but imagine fdgod lucio and viol2t zen in your backline
what the fuck do you do against it?
earnest leaf
Accept death
balmy wolf
wdym the game has been faster even since DS got nerfed
tawdry hamlet
I would want to say that London last year could have been actually worth something with good coaching but at the same time their performance was so pepega it is hard to say
but they had good pieces
tropic herald
Collapse on them, Lucio zen has 0 sustain
Or pull a LIP and solo emp a tracer so you can get the hack off
earnest leaf
the true power move
noble nexus
London were also in apac getting steamrolled by shanghai every week
tropic herald
The amount of times LIP solo emps or whiffs them is hilarious
noble nexus
hard to look good in that scenario
next mesa
Dude
tawdry hamlet
I mean yeah but they lost in the playoffs to chengdu if I recall lmao
noble nexus
Lip gets like 17 emps a match so it's alright
next mesa
fits actually styled on lip
noble nexus
chengdu chads
tropic herald
Like if LIP had the same intellect with EMPs as his neutral game then heād be insane
noble nexus
what can I say
next mesa
on the match that they beat dragons
idk about the finals
I haven't watched the vod on that one yet
but yeah lip emp'ed no one like 3 times
tropic herald
LIP has the best neutral Sombra in the world
tropic herald
But his EMPs are ass
craggy sandal
In finals lip rolled but had really bad emps
tropic herald
Fits honestly was the most consistent player on seoul for the weekend they got slapped
noble nexus
idk if Lip just turns chimp mode on whenever he decides to hit the q button or not
it's weird
next mesa
Fits honestly was the most consistent player on seoul for the weekend they got s...
he often is
the whole season too
balmy wolf
everyone avoids emps these days
next mesa
him and marve1
tropic herald
Like Fits emp charge rate is solid I guess but his EMPs are almost always on point
His neutral is solid too
earnest leaf
Throwback to fits throwing emp that ended up in them losing a round of koth
noble nexus
seouls most consistent player last season was their dedicated OT player
tropic herald
If Seoul wants to win more games then they need Marve1 to play Ball, Orisa and Rein
next mesa
lip getting emp while fits was on like 60 pretty normal
tropic herald
Gesture should not be allowed to touch any heroes but Winston and Hog
true hound
Throwback to fits throwing emp that ended up in them losing a round of koth
Pain
Woulda been 3-2
tropic herald
Hereās a run down on Seoul, tankline: pog af as long as Marve1 is main tank
balmy wolf
oh god that busan map
tropic herald
Dps: idk just donāt play SBB
balmy wolf
that was the turning point in the grand finals
true hound
Busan was intense as fuck and Fits EMP hurt me
next mesa
profit fits is banger
tropic herald
Supports: Solid but get hard diffed by Shanghai
next mesa
anamo brig is like
next mesa
super good? š¤ I didnt even know
tropic herald
Anamo isnāt bad at brig but itās not like heās carrying Seoul
next mesa
creative zen does get diffed
by the likes of viol2t and izayaki
his ana can keep up doe I believe
true hound
then on Third point of Busan Profit was 1% away from bob but then ANS shot him and Toni š
creative was poppin
In showmatch
tropic herald
Also Fate is really good for Shanghai
His ball is top tier rn
Looking at the amount of times Fate got hacked vs any of the enemy ball
It was kinda insane
plush light
Fate is top tier on a good team. Period.
earnest leaf
then there was philly
next mesa
yes
we dont talk about philly ok
but like now
dragons made slight upgrade they might be favourites now š
tropic herald
Honestly looking at Shanghai rn all I can think is wow where is the holes
They donāt have holes
Compare this to Shock where I look at their dps and feel quite concerned
tropic herald
Sombra is a really big part of this meta
earnest leaf
We're still months away from owl starting, and they have already started to take steps in getting ball out of meta and what not
So idk if sombra will be prominent when the league starts
noble nexus
they have nero glister and taiyo to take over rascals roles considering they all play flex heroes
earnest leaf
Glister probably can, but I don't think he'll be as dominant as Ans was
tropic herald
I think Zen leaving the meta makes Sombra leave
next mesa
and zen discord just balances between 20% and 30% been for like 50 times now
balmy wolf
he is a symptom not the real problem
next mesa
what even is the problem
tropic herald
Echo Ball
balmy wolf
high mobility heroes like tracer, echo, ball
hes is the only one that can easily support and counter them
tropic herald
When heroes like ball can have insane hp discord makes the TTK reasonable
balmy wolf
its basically the dive problem all over again
earnest leaf
Poke damage is too strong so high mobility heroes are enabled too much
Why run rein when you can run ball who does more damage, dies slower, and is 100x faster
I still think mercy dmg boost needs to be lowered a bit like discord
And buff lucio and rein
balmy wolf
u dont even need to nerf mercy imo
next mesa
lucio gotta be standard
tropic herald
Beat is pretty ass rn
earnest leaf
Beat charges so fucking slow
next mesa
yeah brig is just
tropic herald
Make it cost less
next mesa
better in almost every way
earnest leaf
like it's one of the slowest charging ults in the games
tropic herald
Brig can make her other support immortal
earnest leaf
like zen can build ult as fast as a moira if he needs to
tropic herald
In this meta trans charges fast enough
plush light
How was Philly bad? I know it happened, but wtf carpe and ivy
tawdry hamlet
zen leaving the meta means we might get to see twilight play for once 
tropic herald
Philly didnāt know the meta at all
They forced the dive rush for way too long in scrims
next mesa
coach diff
lmao seoul coaches were the first to figure out the best comp the whole thing was wack
tawdry hamlet
Sado isn't great at ball or hog and the dps just couldn't keep up with striker ans and fits and profit
tawdry hamlet
sado also wasn't coached to play hog the way other teams ran him, since he was playing more flanker hog rather than a front hog like the other teams iirc
but I haven't watched that game in a minute
but I recall he played hog pretty differently from the other teams
balmy wolf
they didnt understand how hog was being played or ball for that matter
next mesa
yeah I remember crusty saying
he was frustrated shock was playing like they had a ball when they had hog the team plays different
balmy wolf
shock got smashed a lot on hog as well, the diff maker was their ball play
next mesa
or vice versa I forgot either way
unkempt gale
still think titans could use someone with his experience at the least
not a titans fan just kinda looking at their team and being like "yep."
tawdry hamlet
Yeah but he's more expensive than they'd want to spend and I assume their players still had contracts since they did the cringe atlanta backups instead š
unkempt gale
fair enough
did yall hear the rumors about a certain ex-LAV dps maybe getting signes?
signed*?
digital cloud
ksp got signed to atlanta according to dogman, iirc
noble nexus
halo also tweeted about Kai to atlanta
sullen berry
https://www.sentinels.gg/news-content/sentinels-sign-surefour I see nothing wrong with this
sullen berry
I thought it was valorant, but variety streamer with his accolades are more impressive than most content creators
mortal abyss
how has no one signed boombox man
its so sad
quick mirage
its so sad
true
lucid mortar
Paris eternal op
chilly mango
remember when Dafran being signed to Atlanta got everyone so hyped
balmy wolf
that was cool
shows how goats literally killed the game
poor balancing for 3 years
its tragic
outer relic
Xqc is an angry gorilla boi like winston
next mesa
yes
echo quest
Yo, how big was Sinatraa in OW? Tuned in some of his streams in the past week and dude was sitting at 7k-8k viewers. I donāt remember him having that many in OW
digital cloud
streaming?
not that big, I think
he was popular for being the star of the best team
it was somewhat of a lopsided perception due to his role, he wasn't exactly godlike
craggy sandal
He was most definitely godlike on zarya
earnest leaf
His leadership was op
digital cloud
he wasn't violet or smurf or anything
echo quest
Ye I meant from a streaming point of view
The risk to switching to Val paying dividends. Man is great at the game and his stream has taken off
digital cloud
I don't think he streamed much while in ow
noble nexus
because he was
keyword being was tho
he wasn't that much of a prick towards the end of his season
echo quest
Heās pretty mellow now. Some good character development
earnest leaf
I think owls1 was a reality check for him
So his ego went way down
But now we have super with a large ego
echo quest
I donāt watch super, whatās he like
Doesnāt he get clowned on by his viewers all the time tho
earnest leaf
Yes
echo quest
Man still got the ego tho
earnest leaf
In reality he isn't really egotistical, seemingly just proud of his accomplishments
noble nexus
he plays into the ego stuff
noble nexus
I'd understand people being upset about his ego if he was a boston or vancouver player or some shit
but he's the two time man
sand violet
its a persona
just like idk tyler1 isnt always that egotistical sometimes he shows he can think level headed
but when u stream
ego gets viewers cuz its funny
so ppl put it on
true hound
^
cedar oasis
Apparently McGravy was a mid tier na main tank
Do people think a player is good because they like him
digital cloud
some people, probably
plush grail
I never really watched much NA
but im pretty sure he was decent
not a hard carry but also not shit
like crimzo tier
slow kraken
Supers chat jokes on him in a funny way tho
And being cocky isnāt the same as having an ego
plush grail
no we all hate super for real
silk frost
I think McGravy was a mid tier tank
next mesa
digital cloud
is this in response to something
earnest leaf
wanton birch
well fuck me
i swear if the dont release a character early or at least announce a beta for around november
steep dagger
??? not til 2022...
weak bolt
Blizzconline bette give OW some hope or it's going to be a long year
I suspect a beta or something towards the end of year perhaps, rather than full release
wanton birch
idk if i can go another year with no content
weak bolt
At the very least they should be fixing Paris/Lunar colony/Junkertown to get them back imo
wanton birch
yeah its kinda ridiculous how long theyve been gone
weak bolt
Comp lost more content then it gained last year i believe. 1 Hero added, 3 maps removed
feral zodiac
The hero was the game in general, not just comp
silk frost
why tf did they announce it when they did then
sullen berry
cool
time to sink into yet another darker age of Overwatch
hopefully, OWL viewership can only get better
people will want to know how the first match of VAL in China goes
tropic herald
They announced it Bc everyone is like where is all our content
And they had to show off something
silk frost
then we're gonna need to get at least 1 new hero or push or something until then
next mesa
there's not going to be new owl supporters though
plush grail
How is it even taking so long
Like you already have a engine you can work with
A art style
This is just gonna disappoint everyone now
silk frost
and they've said that covid hasn't actually affected them that much
plush grail
We got a announcement for ow2 like 2 years before release
silk frost
so they just announced it way too early
tropic herald
OW2 is on a new engine iirc and stories are like Rome, canāt just build it in a day
I bet OW2 content is insane but the competitive side of it might lack
sullen berry
so they just announced it way too early
this is what being in the dark is all about, 5 years is realistic with blizzard development
digital cloud
meanwhile the game engulfs in flames
tawdry hamlet
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next mesa
Glads tankline is gonna decide if they're top 3
Platchat episode
Oops
Replied to myself like a weirdo
tawdry hamlet
The third emoji hurt my eyes
next mesa
Shu and.moth top 3 support line?
tawdry hamlet
Yeah I'd say so, I mean im not entirely sure on shu but maybe since moth is an s tier main support
Shu is like a tier right? Or was he insane I didn't watch a lot of charge last season
tawdry hamlet
Hmm good
I mean if it's moth and a nice flex support then I'd say top three since moth with a good flex support is literally the best in the league with moth violet
next mesa
Viol2t is more than good to be fair
Also yeah shu was like
Borderline top 5 I'd say
Actually like
Izayaki alarm viol2t twilight
Yeah #5 seems good
earnest leaf
tropic herald
Twitter
earnest leaf
cmon owl let Dickomode free
sullen berry
rejected likely due to character strings - just make it happen Mayhem Merchandising
plush grail
ALBERT ''DICKOMODE'' YEHH ''CHECKING THOSE CORNERS IS SUS'' RISES
plush light
DICKOMODE
tawdry hamlet
Neptuno is 28 šš„ŗ
mortal abyss
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next mesa
and no new heroes either
okay am I the only one that's pretty okay with this lmao
prob cuz im just so casual
new maps would be real nice though 
hot onyx
Be very careful what you wish for buddy
Remember that Paris and Horizon used to be playable in ranked
next mesa
id be fine if they just reworked them its been months
hot onyx
Correct me if Iām wrong but didnāt horizon get a rework about 3 months after it released?
Yeah it did because the staircase leading to the high ground on point A and the palm trees by B used to be more non existent than my girlfriend
And while I still havenāt gotten laid itās good to know that Blizzard are proud endorsers of TeamTrees
trail perch
they should either rework or remove all 2cp
Except for rollskaya
its boring to play and/or watch
kind ridge
Except for rollskaya
just remove volskaya its so bad and you only end up with draws
hence the name DRAWskaya industries
trail perch
5cp like in TF2
tight axle
Had there been any more news about the new merch from teams (besides shock I think they have it)?
next mesa
nyxl got i think?
trail perch
i want a razor x NYXL
Because razor keyboards are fire, and the NYXL colors are hype
Or maybe Razor x Seoul
quick mirage
Replace 2cp with ctf<:PogChimp:315820550662651904>
shut
plush grail
Replace 2cp with ctf<:PogChimp:315820550662651904>
i actually really wanna see this
normal arcade ctf games take like 20/30 mins for me
with a proper team and communication it could either last like 2 minutes or 3 hours
cedar oasis
What's the time limit for ctf
plush grail
im pretty sure
it can go on forever
as long as a team doesn't manage to cap the flag
cedar oasis
Ah
So teams can hold the game hostage
Imagine that in owl
You make the other team give up
That dragons vs philly game lasted 6 hours
next mesa
very nice
sullen berry
karmic grotto
rip
digital cloud
well, considering how AU contenders is . . .
the aren't really worth much more than "can stick around"
from a talent standpoint
tawdry hamlet
I mean AU contenders kind of sucks so I see their point
Surprised SA contenders even exists lmao
tight hill
AU contenders is a meme
Might just be sticking around as advertisement for t2
And Mindfreak G
azure coral
Best gaming mice 2021?
edgy bane
ye
next mesa
Personal preference
balmy wolf
Best gaming mice 2021?
g pro x superlight is probably the best mouse rn
silk frost
Sadge SA dead
sullen berry
@buoyant stream ask your question - this is the esports channel
buoyant stream
How do u get OW Leauge skins without buying?
tropic herald
Tokens are awarded by watching games live
sullen berry
You want to link your battlenet on their website before you do watch live matches
balmy wolf
I have returned under a new alias
Jayne left the scene partly because he said the communityās in a really bad spot right now haha
placid knoll
@allah
tawdry hamlet
What
karmic grotto
I think he got mad cuz bad cuz ChipSa owned him
shy sun
I feel like Jayne gets a lot of hate for no reason whatsoever.
People genuinely hate him for his "Rebuild the scene" comment.
š https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/l2d4zh/baaz0_leaks_shock_vs_nyxl_scrims/
raw ermine
These got leaked a while ago
earnest leaf
next mesa
kAI
next mesa
baconjack omegalul
trail perch
Jinmu maybe
sand violet
ok so explain
bc leave has glister's entire hero pool + more and can play them up to the same level besides like widow rn
hes already looked great with a TERRIBLE supporting cast so him having good coaching + a mostly strong roster should make him look even better
like if leave had a roster as strong as shock's + crusty coaching he would be getting called a top 3 dps minimum
silk frost
- I think he was fairly underwhelming this year off the tracer
- Same hero pool?! Glister plays EVERYTHING. Literally every DPS to my knowledge. Doomfist, mccree, junkrat, pharah, widow, ashe, all of it.
- Glister had an equally awful supporting cast; good main supports, meager main tanks, and alright DPS pairings
sand violet
Glister does not play everything
like he is very flexible, especially for someone so good on hitscan
but youre not going to see glister on like mei or stuff like that
and tbh I have not seen him touch pharah at least not in a while
hes like a hitscan with a few flex dps heroes
leave is just everything besides like torb
and of course he was underwhelming in s3 chengu in s3 had an unbelievably bad roster
silk frost
Yveltal and molly were a top 5 support line
sand violet
like london didnt have the coordination to put it together but they had more individual talent than london
LOL?
tropic herald
LiGe be like: getting out of hell before i have to be there