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#esports-discussion
jolly steeple
tawdry hamlet
again
they ran him on mei all season
when he is a hitscan that also has a pharah
they wouldn't have kept him around if they didn't have a plan since Lori is actually a good coach
unlike last season 
jolly steeple
I don't think they're on the roster for significant playtime
For example Beast will never play on toronto
maybe like one game
tawdry hamlet
tbf they signed him before they got fury so that was just unfortunate timing
now that they got fury tho
đ
tawdry hamlet
yeah
I mean Stand1 isn't super proven outside of playoffs
but that was a weird meta
he is undoubtedly better than fusions
but idk how good he is
tawdry hamlet
I think fusions can stick around for rein one trick and thats about it honestly
jolly steeple
stand1 rein is better
tawdry hamlet
there really isn't much stand1 can't just do better
earnest leaf
could always have fusions/stand1 play like smurf/super
earnest leaf
Stand1 plays the majority of tanks and swap Fusions in for rein
tawdry hamlet
I thought fearless was a great rein
earnest leaf
Fearless was a good rein iirc
jolly steeple
fearless was a really good rein
tawdry hamlet
they can always just be scrims players like geguri and diya if they have to be
kind of suprising dding and luffy didn't find anywhere
coming off a season that went like 24-3 or some shit
jolly steeple
dding also got to play like
his only two great heroes
outside of that hes a good hanzo
and thats kinda it
jolly steeple
luffy is gonna dissapear like his counterpart
tawdry hamlet
just strange a team can go with that record and have players that actively played a lot that season not get picked up by anyone
t2 talent too strong
and much cheaper
jolly steeple
dding outside of like pharah sombra hanzo echo would not be good
and gamsu ended up being a ball otp
tbf though his ball was insane
tawdry hamlet
man just imagine s3 nyxl with a real coaching staff
they could have fucked
they had all the pieces
minus hotba
omegalul
jolly steeple
they had bianca
tawdry hamlet
and they still played hotba
jolly steeple
right there for them
tawdry hamlet
depressing
jolly steeple
hopefully this seasons nyxl goes hard
tawdry hamlet
I hope so, we lost libero and haksal because of that coaching staff, I doubt haksal would have retired if that season didn't go so poorly
jolly steeple
at least you got ivy
cedar oasis
Nyxl dps line has alot of potential
jolly steeple
gwangboong is a nutcase
I'm expecting him to be like
s4 xzi
gets underrated preseason and destroys everyone
cedar oasis
And they got rid of their terrible coach
tawdry hamlet
mykaylee is a nut case, I am excited for that
tawdry hamlet
literally comes in first game and matches diem đ
tawdry hamlet
Kariv is pretty fine
jolly steeple
idk
cedar oasis
Kariv is good when he peaks
tawdry hamlet
Toronto made Kariv look significantly worse than he is
he looked pretty good in the show matches with charge
tawdry hamlet
earnest leaf
as an op streamer
jolly steeple
you know what would be insane
washington goats tankline
mag rein fury dva decay zarya
oh my god
tawdry hamlet
I wish titans hadn't fucked it and were willing to pick up korean players, they could have made a relatively decent budget team and actually had a real season, instead we just have this 
weak bolt
Emongg joining shock family to remind them how to selfless spawn camp again
tawdry hamlet
hmm
what if Vancouver had just said fuck it and built a budget korean roster loll
like Stitch, Highly, Babel, Pokpo etc
tawdry hamlet
bro
that would be so sick if that happened !
and then imagine if they also got fissue!
bro they would possibly be the best roster of all time
next mesa
damn
plush grail
imagine like just buying one of the best overwatch teams ever
next mesa
but then imagined if that roster imploded in like 5 games!
plush grail
signing jhong for more fans
and then still
manage to fuck that over
all they had to do was threat them well and give them resources
tawdry hamlet
plush grail
the face of owl
raw ermine
owo emong to sfs
plush grail
it's happening
also that last thing
fusion, nyxl and valliant gonna share a facility?
limber pine
I think theyâre just making note of the three us teams going to Asia
plush grail
also any guesses who the staff are that are gonna get cut
earnest leaf
my guess is a full clean sweep of everyone
plush grail
some of the koreans might make it
earnest leaf
plush grail
poggers
earnest leaf
what a fucked up day
worn falcon
Now they can sign Diya
earnest leaf
@next mesa It's time for diya's chance to be signed
tight axle
Im so happy for diya and all of the Chinese players who now get a chance but I feel so bad for players like agilities
The man got signed after popping in trials and then it got taken away
next mesa
<@!246445717349072896> It's time for diya's chance to be signed
let's go baby
diya
don't let me down son
đ
earnest leaf
Twitter
worn falcon
This is a entire mess for the current team lol
Worse than Titans handling stuff
At least this was off-season and not midseason tho
tight axle
Yeah
Honestly i expect so many val fans to leave
To the point that if I was the chinese org I prob woulda bailed
tropic herald
Ok now are they going to give individual players recognition or is this just an unceremonious drop of everyone
tight axle
Yeah technically but everyone knows
slow kraken
IGC still owns LAV, itâs just under ânew managementâ
Their excuse for saying they canât get visas are scummy tho
tight axle
I think the visa thing made it way worse
If they just outright went back on their word id be slightly less pissed than i am now
Imagine if one of the former val players went to apac (like agil to charge) and they got a visa
weak bolt
Visa thing is just a random excuse. Those issues existed when they signed those players, theyâre not a new thing
earnest leaf
next mesa
battle of china
raw ermine
lmaoooooo
noble nexus
Glads twitter is so bm rn
next mesa
okay guys
noble nexus
https://twitter.com/flameirl/status/1355267804505780228 they retweeted this at the same time
Twitter
next mesa
seoul will win s4
noble nexus
yeah the devs will force some stupid meta that only seoul are good at
raw ermine
silkthread returns to LA?
silk frost
diya and superich?
plush grail
wdym the dallas cycle will end
plush grail
dallas also gonna get bought out and rebrand
plush grail
cant be in the dallas cycle of pain if you rebrand to busan
trail perch
What if EM canceled their teams so they save money
to buy the fuel
no geolocated part
trail perch
just Element Mystic
plush grail
dallas fuel is owned by envyus
sullen berry
Ok now are they going to give individual players recognition or is this just an ...
Someone has to stay from this transition. Perhaps a visa good enough for one player, but I can't expect much
Just when I decide to be out this afternoon is it F5 day
sullen berry
There's two players that would come to mind
sullen berry
Agilities if he was offered - any of the Korean players wishing to move to China would be more realistic
sullen berry
Yeah what a gamer move
I'm positive he didn't have much control over the fate of LA Valiant
feral zodiac
Agilities would be offered what?
sullen berry
If he wanted to stay, coaching the Immortals was his duty to uphold
A plane ticket
And nothing else
I'll need to take a look at weibo if people are still into Agilities or not leaving Valiant
tawdry hamlet
it will be absolutely criminal if someone doesn't pick up ksp
idc that most teams have a dedicated hitscan already
he needs to be picked up
tawny grail
atlanta getting ksp
tawdry hamlet
so they officially have dropped the whole roster at this point?
tawny grail
yup
tawdry hamlet
rip adam
unless they move him on china roster since he is apac already but if they did that they would have to comm in english for an unproven tank lmao
pain
so who are free agents in china besides diya innovation that have a chance of being picked up
or do you guys think they might sign some korean players too
tawdry hamlet
hmm
tawdry hamlet
obviously this is a golden opportunity for the return of the king
they would probably have better luck just picking up diya and leftover korean players
since diya can speak korean
tawdry hamlet
I mean they could just poach leftover chinese contenders like pineapple
their team is going to be dogshit if they don't do a mixed roster imo
there really isn't much talent left
but if they go mixed and pick up the unsigned epic players like libero they could be ok
although I have a feeling we are going to be getting vancouver part 2
sullen berry
What a Chad move
next mesa
the diff is that china > na by a huge margin
they will probably still be last apac though but whatevefr
tawdry hamlet
Twitter
đ đ„
Twitter
avast spittin
Luminosity vs Immortals worst org challenge who can speedrun the hate of their entire fanbase faster 
digital cloud
well, the team wasn't as great as Runaway
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/agilities/status/1355274586200305667
Well that's shot down my weakest timeline
digital cloud
not a comparison for me, but whatever
static shell
true hound
as content creator
tawdry hamlet
idk man, dumping your entire roster and not providing them with fair treatment vs dumping your entire roster right after you signed them and denying it is even true before you do it and then having the audacity to thank them 
worn falcon
defiant
tawdry hamlet
but hey now halo can say I told you so and from experience that is a great feeling
worn falcon
halo got double down
tawdry hamlet
not that it makes up for the 20 people who have to change their entire plan for the year and find new jobs
this one aged well
https://twitter.com/aka_conquest/status/1349800378750140417?s=20
Twitter
lolll
halo is going to be very petty about this and I am so here for it
https://twitter.com/Ripjaw2000/status/1355286936865353729?s=20
lolll this comment thread
Twitter
sullen berry
Well I think the comments are justified. People probably get tired with the cycle of halo leaks
royal egret
Completely dropping the roster and staff to move the China might as well be selling
selling out to China
sullen berry
Didn't Noah leave his position as CEO
tawdry hamlet
yes
tawdry hamlet
Noah was well liked from what I am reading
sullen berry
And he is well spoken
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
He's not hulls hitting when he knows what he is doing. It's just presentation is kinda garb
tawdry hamlet
it is fun seeing even commentators and such calling out immortals
and not just the fans
sullen berry
Yeah it's such a big burn of resources that wasn't going to come in 2020
sullen berry
Imagine being adan
sullen berry
Get no word on when you'll come over to the states
Just hold fire before you jump on a plane to see us
plush grail
holy shit its almost like the valiant doesnt even want fans
weak bolt
You know shits bad when Xqc is calling you out on your morals lol
digital cloud
to be fair, he is mostly just a shit person for show
kind of like Pokimane, Keemstar, Jake Paul, and all that
plush grail
xqc isn't even that mean on stream right?
tawdry hamlet
xqc is boring af to watch, his english is so slow he pauses after every word
and I cannot stand it
plush grail
thats not his fault tho he just has a stutter and fast talking issue
earnest leaf
keem/jake are actually shitty people tho
tawdry hamlet
earnest leaf
xqc is just a manchild
digital cloud
he speaks french, disphit
digital cloud
I know, that is why I misspelled dipshit
tawdry hamlet
digital cloud
we really need a sarcasm symbol or something
digital cloud
Idk
weak bolt
Does this move LAV above the Titans for the worst org in OWL History now though
digital cloud
nah, Titans still worse
and I still would argue Boston
they need some kind of damn background check for that team smh
weak bolt
Bostons issues were more players than org imo. Background searches aren't going to find that level of detail
tawdry hamlet
yeah one of your players doing some gross shit without your knowledge vs dumping your entire roster after all the job slots have filled up despite promising them financial security
I would say immortals far worse
weak bolt
LAV also dumped their whole roster the year before basically too
digital cloud
dumping rosters is their prerogative, it is doing it in ways that screw them over that makes it bad
tawdry hamlet
denying factual rumors and then dumping them after every other team has finished hiring omegalul
real king shit
weak bolt
Really will be amusing to see if they stay as the LAV, or if they become a new name
tawdry hamlet
nah it is just management so I doubt that will change
too much money to change all the branding and shit for a team that will realistically likely suck next season
jolly steeple
They won't change for this season
but the team definitely won't suck
I'll say that
weak bolt
Depends just how much money is being invested
jolly steeple
I trust nohill to build a good roster
tawdry hamlet
unless they go korean their roster is going to be pretty weak
jolly steeple
?
tawdry hamlet
there are like 4 good chinese free agents left
jolly steeple
china is a really good region
jolly steeple
innovation isnt even chinese
weak bolt
China is an ok region, but their top players have been snapped up already mostly
weak bolt
If they want to be anything other than bottom in APAC, they're going to have to go at least 50% korean
tawdry hamlet
anything they can build just isn't going to be better than the other apac teams though, it is so late
next mesa
Innovation was on cc
jolly steeple
nightgod is ok
next mesa
He's comfortable in a chinese environment
slow kraken
The thing is LAV hasnât released anyone
slow kraken
Who
weak bolt
LAV have released their whole roster, they did it today
tawdry hamlet
all the players tweeted
weak bolt
All players/coaches gone.
slow kraken
Nothing confirmed by OWL
jolly steeple
You can get pokpo 800 zijin showcheng diya libero innovation superich mmonk
plush grail
we really need a sarcasm symbol or something
dont bully me im tired ok
jolly steeple
you could go all chinese and get xray 800 zijin showcheng diya winter apr1ta seawave mmonk superich
thats still a pretty good team
with nohill and whoever the other coach is
weak bolt
pretty good, but still probably last in Apac region
trail perch
actually idk
tawdry hamlet
aprita and monk were just signed to chaser so I doubt they are going anywhere
trail perch
They could pick up team CC
jolly steeple
Diya was about to retire
trail perch
Who wherent signed
jolly steeple
so like
next mesa
They're all picked
trail perch
Or FFF
weak bolt
Team CC is also the SHD academy team right? That's gonna be expensive if they do
jolly steeple
realistically they'll end up going mixed
but you could build a good team with a lot of chinese players
trail perch
imagine they swoop in and grab GBS
And drop major cash on this season
With the new chinese backing
wintry kraken
my favorite part of this whole saga is Washington Post quoting Plat Chat & Sideshow for some reason
weak bolt
I expect they'll pick up an average roster this season, build a base, then rename to a Chinese city next year and go big
tawdry hamlet
and actually had real options
next mesa
đ could've actually been really competitive
tawdry hamlet
Hong Kong Freedom
good joke
trail perch
yeah its prob going to be bejing
weak bolt
Wuhan Warriors
trail perch
Maybe Bejing Phoenix?
next mesa
Spark chengdu got almost all the good ones
tawdry hamlet
the only ones they could beat are maybe nyxl if their dps don't pan out and chengdu if their new talent doesn't develop
next mesa
Gaga got signed
weak bolt
OT is like the easiest role to fill
weak bolt
GBB, Jjanu, Mek0 all still on the market. MT will be the hard bit to fill imo
tawdry hamlet
jjanu retired
jolly steeple
just get pokpo
weak bolt
Diya retired too in that case, doesn't mean it's happening :p
tawdry hamlet
he was never good in the first place how is he going to boom đ
next mesa
Pollo sucks
tawdry hamlet
look at the apac main tank scene and tell me a single one of them he could beat
next mesa
Diya retired too in that case, doesn't mean it's happening :p
Their reason of retiring kinda diff doe
You think you can handle
jolly steeple
rio
tawdry hamlet
bruh
next mesa
đ
jolly steeple
maybe yakpung
idk
It's not like he's really had a chance to play
and when he has its with fucking dogman
and masaa
tawdry hamlet
so he could beat the finals runner up tank line
weak bolt
Bring back Swon and Xepher, and then they can be the Beijing Phoenix
tawdry hamlet
idk bout that one
jolly steeple
so he could beat the finals runner up tank line
by this logic chara is better than sanguinar
weak bolt
Gesture trying > Pokpo > Gesture focused on his flower shop
tawdry hamlet
rein is never meta tho
jolly steeple
his winston gets demolished against good teams
his orisa is fine
good ball and hog
trail perch
But marvel is like rly good
His ball was fire
His rein was great in goats
i dont remember his winston
jolly steeple
marve1 just planked on main tank last season
next mesa
Marve1 is better than gesture
next mesa
Bring gesture only when he's vibing with the meta
feral zodiac
Mt they could just teach benbest chinese
jolly steeple
if its not pokpo its kind of an L
there's no one else on the market
unless karayan just dips from o2
tawdry hamlet
that whole roster is going to be s3 titans of apac bet
jolly steeple
They have more time to build a roster
more players to work with
since its pre season theres a lot of big names left
enough for a good roster
plus nohill has a good rep, im sure, since he was the coach of the best contenders team
tawdry hamlet
too bad they waited until now 
when they could have gotten so much more if they just sold like two months ago
feral zodiac
Probably took a while to find someone who actually wanted to be involved in owl lmao
craggy sandal
probably not
weak bolt
Where are you seeing Nohill being part of LAV anyway? Or are you just speculating that
jolly steeple
He's the one building the roster
weak bolt
according to who/what?
next mesa
K
feral zodiac
That's a strange way of saying you don't have a source lmao
feral zodiac
Your point being
jolly steeple
I'm just using it as a point to argue valiant won't be as bad as you might think
feral zodiac
I don't think they are going to be bad
Because I know nothing about the new team lmao
jolly steeple
Yeah but they could definitely escape bottom of apac
feral zodiac
True
jolly steeple
I don't either
feral zodiac
Depends how the meta shows up for chengdu
jolly steeple
and valiant down there too
weak bolt
Arguably I could see Philly as towards bottom of apac
jolly steeple
seoul are bottom until they can prove that they can be consistent
also they desperately need to bench gesture
changgoon weighs down that team a ton
feral zodiac
They did in the next tournament didn't they
jolly steeple
they rotated
tawdry hamlet
they just beat shanghai in the showmatch yes
jolly steeple
I was glad to see marve1 looked better than last season
jolly steeple
because last season his mt was horrible
feral zodiac
Fits and profit were both doing really well too
jolly steeple
I wish seoul had just picked up although and dropped gesture and changgoon
next mesa
Anamo is great
jolly steeple
pull up noru or smth
next mesa
Profit echo still bad lmao
weak bolt
Seoul could be heavily meta dependent imo. If they get a dva meta, I think they could be in trouble
jolly steeple
they would be worth rating
next mesa
Toyou dva is solid
jolly steeple
the big meta question mark is profit
as long as they dont get a reaper echo mei meta
theyre probably ok
next mesa
They actually have an off tank now
weak bolt
Is it that good? from what i've seen Toyou only looked pretty good on Zarya
next mesa
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weak bolt
Marve1 can sigma ofc
jolly steeple
toyou is good on everything
feral zodiac
Fits looked cracked
feral zodiac
Fate looked pretty good on Shanghai as well
next mesa
In the few games he played
tawdry hamlet
Fits Profit are both S tier dps
jolly steeple
Profit isn't s
feral zodiac
At their peaks yeah they're both S tier
plush light
"Marve1 is the number one off tank in owl" - absolutely nobody (2020)
jolly steeple
he doesnt have the flexibility of the other top tier fdps
jolly steeple
also he's not the best on any hero
jolly steeple
hanzo ivy
next mesa
Second best tracer
weak bolt
Profit/Gesture are at the tops of their roles when the matches matter. Problem is they dont seem to care if its not a crucial match
jolly steeple
hes not the second best tracer
feral zodiac
Dding if he played 
next mesa
Yeah i think his hanzos the best
jolly steeple
shax exists
tawdry hamlet
Fits matched Ans like it was nothing, that is king shit
plush light
Profit isn't the best at one thing, he's the best at everything.
feral zodiac
Also striker had a pretty mean hanzo
plush light
He plays everything
next mesa
Shax
jolly steeple
profits hanzo pharah and tracer are all up there
feral zodiac
He doesn't play everything
next mesa
jolly steeple
but compare him to like rascal libero ivy
tawdry hamlet
his genji is up there too
jolly steeple
who are insane on whatever they pick up
plush light
Shax is the best Western tracer, followed by danteh and super
next mesa
His mei and echo lacking only
tawdry hamlet
shax is euro tho so by that logic of western I would put soon up there
plush light
Soon is washed
feral zodiac
I'd put kevster up there as well
plush light
Kevster, yes
next mesa
He doesn't have to
feral zodiac
Dude New York was full of feeders last season
weak bolt
Onigod has a nasty tracer too if you're looking at western tracers
plush light
I guess also Dalton and logix maybe?
tawdry hamlet
hell nah
next mesa
You think shax is second best tracer?
jolly steeple
Yes
feral zodiac
Nah dalton is nowhere near best
tawdry hamlet
Dalton is low mid at almost every hero he plays
plush light
"I think shax is the second best tracer, second to me" - probably what super thinks.
next mesa
Hmm guess I'll have to agree to disagree
jolly steeple
on tracer
feral zodiac
Who is up there with striker on tracer
next mesa
Dalton is low mid at almost every hero he plays
Wdym his Genji was a masterclass
tawdry hamlet
loll
next mesa
God tier
plush light
Which is bigger - trumps ego vs super's ego
tawdry hamlet
feral zodiac
I've never seen birdring on tracer
plush light
Striker
tawdry hamlet
architect
jolly steeple
maybe not top 5 material
jolly steeple
archs is good yeah
plush light
I've never seen birdring on tracer
What do you watch?
feral zodiac
Overwatch league
plush light
Clearly a different overwatch league than me
feral zodiac
But half of the time it's just farming tokens
weak bolt
Birdring didn't play much tracer last year cause Kevster in fairness
feral zodiac
Glads have a pretty stacked lineup for next season
plush light
To be fair, I watched a lot of s1 games recently
feral zodiac
Oge the disappointment lmao
weak bolt
Glads are the team I always expect to do well, and then disappoint really
jolly steeple
surely glads dont dissapoint this year
theyve got top players around the board
and then space who hopefully gets benched by gbs
tawdry hamlet
I wonder if we will see mirror play a game this season 
I only remember countdown cup
where he played each role
jolly steeple
mirrors zarya is crazy
I hope he gets to play it
this glads roster in goats would go crazy
thinking about it
tawdry hamlet
I just don't financially see it being worth replacing space
jolly steeple
It's worth it when you can get GBS
you kinda need him to bring the roster up a level
at this point space won't do it
space is like glads poko
hes alright for a period of time during the regular season
but in the end it would be much better to have a potential top 5 off tank on your team
tawdry hamlet
hmm
if gbs doesn't get signed and valiant could put together gbs libero and diya on the same team tho 
I really just hope valiant don't go budget
that is my one hope
because if they do, it is going to be a rough season
I really hope they just go all in and pick up the big name free agents
jolly steeple
valiant could build a top team if they play their cards right
probably the best roster I can think of is like
pokpo kalios mer1t/diya libero innovation superich mmonk/quasid
silk frost
mmonk needs more heroes in his hero pool before he goes to OWL
once that happens tho it'll be beautiful
and honestly I'd rather see showcheng on OT rather than Kalios
and Zebag MT since he has chinese experience
next mesa
How's mmonks ana
tawdry hamlet
silk frost
Mmonk has literally never played a hero besides zen
granted he's a top 5 zen in the world , but that's besides the point
next mesa
silk frost
jesus christ
noble nexus
based
next mesa
boston or mayhem
noble nexus
mayhem till boston sign faith
next mesa
and valentine yes yes
noble nexus
yesyesyes
silk frost
boston is the best of those, then mayhem, then titans, then valiant
silk frost
if we mean how much of assholes they are
feral zodiac
Uprising doesn't seem that bad in comparison
They are a mess but they don't force entire teams out of a job
silk frost
yes I agree
tropic herald
You ask, how bad is the LAV situation
This is how bad it is
Twitter
xQc turned off his caps lock bad
worn falcon
One thing makes me think, does the org wants to spend monies?
Considering it's immortal still
worn falcon
Just, spending more money on chinese players and staff
Its damn
Unkess that Chinese staff paid for that slot
tropic herald
Kai and Shax have teams already
If Dreamer Lastro and Rain donât get teams đ„¶
Also Nexus starts in about 5 hours donât forget
Itâs Seoul v Dallas first
true hound
im gonna wake up to a stomping wonât I
echo latch
true hound
considering Dallas is shaky on the tracer
And Seoul has yaknow
I think Dallas gets fucked
tropic herald
I wonder how much the meta has developed over the week though
tawdry hamlet
If Dreamer Lastro and Rain donât get teams đ„¶
where would dreamer go besides like titans that don't already have a main tank
that he isn't a sidegrade from
silk frost
atlanta
Florida
he could round out the Dallas roster really nicely
also just thought of a potential valiant roster
true hound
Diya last hope
silk frost
800 showcheng mmonk superich apr1ta diya
and then I guess you have MoLanran as your flex DPS
I mean that guy has been grinding since 2017 I think he deserves a shot more than almost anyone
plush grail
sbb redemption tour today
plush grail
when is it live
sullen berry
11 mins
with about 3-10 mins of preroll content
come back in 15 min
@winter jetty
plush grail
any good english people casting?
sullen berry
the usual who are good
they're already live
I'm currently running an ad-free CC stream
plush grail
is the feeding dog guy live
sullen berry
who
sullen berry
just now lol
I found it funny how he hasn't updated his own twitter handle in his twitch about section, no surprises there
it links to a UI Designer called dogmanow
plush grail
???
sullen berry
dusttin is still remembering how to hit the play button
plush grail
it just goes to the duster bowerman shitshow acc
sullen berry
really, because the @Dusttin is linking to someone else
plush grail
oh yeah wtf
if you press the twitter image
its brings you to the right one
odd
also eileein 
sullen berry
Cr0ng is a rookie???
it's a good orisa
doube shield into shanghai playing zarya rein
plush grail
do you think getting fate was a good move
balmy wolf
yes
sullen berry
i second this
mortal abyss
do you think getting fate was a good move
Best MT they could of got after losing Fearless imo
tropic herald
im gonna wake up to a stomping wonât I
This didnât age too well
karmic grotto
those who doubt are men with no foundation
unkempt gale
SPOILER WARNING IF YOU WANT TO GO WATCH THE MATCH BETWEEN DALLAS AND SEOUL
||Dallas actually clutched up SO HARD on oasis, gg seoul 3-2 DALLAS WINS THE MATCH||
plush grail
the cycle continues
sullen berry
nobody would put a spoiler warning if they won now would they 
feral zodiac
Did dallas perform well then
wanton birch
Was the games this week on the new patch or no ?
balmy wolf
no
trail perch
Ughhh I forgot there was a match today
IM SO HAPPY THO
LIKE YES DALLAS
Dallas did what shanghai didnt
They firmed up on the Meta and its time for them to win OWl
weak bolt
What if this wasn't a case of Dallas improving, but Seoul being inconsistent again đ
next mesa
Exactly
trail perch
I mean ,seoul beat guangzhou and Shanghai just last week
next mesa
That's their good week
trail perch
Usually their hotstreaks go on for longer
next mesa
This is their bad week
trail perch
Than just one week
trail perch
Like GF?
trail perch
Idk, I think seoul is going to be more consistant this year, with marvel on MT and TouYou on OT
And Anemo is like insane at consistancy
And if profit just isnt it, they have SBB
sullen berry
if this was truly the case of bad week seoul
all that matters now is playoffs energy unleashed onto shanghai who are top seed
raw ermine
Oh wait I was gonna point out how it said 'multiple ',but we know about kai and shax, forgot about shax so nvm
trail perch
Multiple usually means more than 2
worn falcon
Did i missed some stomp?
slow kraken
Valiant are 
worn falcon
sadge
im kinda sad some players still have motivation to play but then off-season has finished iirc
feral zodiac
Did seoul perform well against dallas
true hound
kinda
||they got smashed Map 5 of KOTH. Dallas full held them Gibraltar 1st, but Seoul almost full held them on first too but Dallas won in OT||
plush grail
valiant saw titans and was like
dropping your team after a few games
i can 1 - up you
by dropping them before letting them play any games
tropic herald
Valiant were the first to beat the Titans in the regular season, and in the off season
next mesa
beat them again
tropic herald
So terrible for all of the valiant players but I do wonder who even goes to Valiant now
plush light
BUMPER OR BUST
loud yoke
idk where to put this so im just gonna leave it here https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/756933651605880913/804148899018965023/bnelu8fr4pc51.jpg
jolly steeple
Remember how I said new valiant could be good?
I take it all back
Actually I donât yet
sullen berry
well it's good to see them at least acknowledge their assistant GM roles as equal importance with their asst. coaches
plush grail
diya has a good tracer right?
diya to dallas maybe
even if they dont have much budget left
worn falcon
i think dallas is full
plush grail
signing a good tracer can be the difference between champions or not
worn falcon
move diya to defiant
next mesa
Diya is like ans but with a tracet
trail perch
so carpe?
next mesa
oh yeah
yes
chinese carpe
they went second place in contenders this season too
wtf perfect comparaison
raw ermine
its the fusion curse not the carpe curse xd
mortal abyss
Ok but can we talk about how Fusion and Shock have like identical jerseys
digital cloud
fusion trying to be like the number one
maybe that way they can be one day . . .
nah
raw ermine
raw ermine
well crap as in bad coaching, not bad in general
its like calling someone a bad person for being stupid
digital cloud
then how would Florida and Houston be bad?
raw ermine
mayhem cause of the sexual assault dude, anton or however you spell it
and houston cause they deadnamed violet
digital cloud
wasn't the sexual assault thing one dude, and never even confirmed?
and I thought the violet thing was the social media manager or something
raw ermine
well this person (i didn't make the meme) erred on the victims side
digital cloud
alleged, yes?
or was it confirmed
I am just curious
I wanted to understand the context
raw ermine
the florida dude disappeared of the internet for a while, so either he was guilty or didn't wanna deal with the repercussions
digital cloud
broad possibilities, but fair assessment, I would say
earnest leaf
what florida and houston did were nowhere near as bad as what valiant and titans did
like yea, Houston's thing was the social media manager being a dumbass
Florida is still confusing to me
Because it's always really hard to prove those types of allegations, so it's either believe the accuser or accused
digital cloud
I have always thought schools should teach you how to document stuff like that
and how to do taxes, but a bit of a digression
feral zodiac
Houston's was one person, not the entire management team afaik
digital cloud
was it even on purpose?
feral zodiac
No idea
From what I remember, Houston apologised behind the scenes but violet brought it into the public
Could be wrong though
vivid dawn
Wait what happened between Huston and viotlet
earnest leaf
Houston social media manager accidently deadnamed violet in a birthday post
Violet made it public and left
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
Why decay on the plat chat Korea team
noble nexus
decay god gamer
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
I just don't see him over diem if he's not there for tracer
earnest leaf
people just ride the hype of him hard carrying dallas for a few games
and when justice gave him a 5 man pocket when they were ahead on the meta
next mesa
I think he's like low S tier
he can contest the likes of ans and diem but like
on the same level ? đ
true hound
Decay is god gamer
dense geode
From what I remember, Houston apologised behind the scenes but violet brought it...
Probably an article about it somewhere.
earnest leaf
I think I remember ans usually getting the better of decay often
and diem would probably end up the same way
man diem is a nut
slow kraken
The only counter to ans is ans himself
digital cloud
and babybay lol
gilded dagger
Ya XD
plush grail
JUST GOT DONE FUCKIN
proud drum
JUST GOT DONE FUCKIN
damn
mortal abyss
Who's the best Hitscan coming into season 4?
feral zodiac
New to owl or in general?
mortal abyss
In general
plush grail
blase
noble nexus
linkzr
plush light
Who's the best Hitscan coming into season 4?
Carpe
true hound
LMAO that was a dumb ending
true hound
Who's the best Hitscan coming into season 4?
If ksp still has a team
then ksp
kaylee also seems really good
noble nexus
diem supremacy
tropic herald
Match result: ||SHD 4-1 SEO, Shanghai doubters are mad||
feral zodiac
Depends how New York and spark turn out
jolly steeple
Seoul probably wonât be #1 that much
tropic herald
If they donât it will raise a lot of questions on how they dropped their players
clear ether
They dropped their players??
jolly steeple
theyre going mixed cn/kr
clear ether
Ohh
cedar oasis
That means libero cam get signed
silk frost
Libero diya