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Lowkey kinda hoping for that
Because being dead is finally a reason to stop playing ow
that is in fact one way to stop playing the game
Or you could put your pc in a shredder
But then how would I play overwatch
Barbecue "barbecuechicken" chicken
Levy "Levy | SIGN DIYA" Sign Diya
Sado Aim "Sado Aim>Carpe Aim" Carpe Aim
this is a trend now, retirement threatening
its been 2 days bro
chill
Anyone know why Dallas keeps getting smoked 0-3?
curse of dallas
Lol ig ur right
cycle of misery cannot be broken
for a realistic answer
They also don’t have any good tracer players
True
they had like
It was still sad, I was hyped
Yeah
Didn't they announce all their signings early so they could start scrimming earlier or something
Charge losing Nero sucks but they still good
And the supports arent exactly on comfort picks
wasn't fielder not in as well?
Yeah
Also I think it’s great Houston got Jake, but hydration switched to dps so now they have 5 dps and only one playable support
Joobi will be of age in time
Yeah
I wasn't that surprised that rapel was in honestly
Jake is mostly gonna coach though right?
his zen better than fielder? that's really believable
This season will also expose how overrated rush was
The players who improved the most werent coached by him on paris, but ninek
Benbest, nico, soon, and fdgod were all coached by ninek because rush doesnt speak english
Hanbin?
And I thought all the Korean players were a little hit or miss at times
Except tannin yeah
Hanbin
Fuckin auto correct
xzi had no holes besides ashe that soon covered
Tracer
although lack of ashe tracer ability was 
I mean even if he didn’t have anything to do with their improvements he still was the coach managing the strategy’s and things like that
I think they should put doha echo and sparkle tracer instead of sparkle echo and xzi tracer but that's just me
I mean to me its a question of whos worse at tracer
unless xzi hard grinds i don't see him developing a top tracer any time soon and with sparkle already having a sombra I would like to think tracer could possibly work since he is used to high movement heroes
but idk
why didnt they run doha sparkle
Echo tracer
or sombra echo
with doha on either echo or sombra
I think if you watch their vods they will all have solid/passable tracers but not on the level of profit/decay and lets not even talk about striker
Prob his best 2 characters
what did sparkle play last season besides genji sombra actually
did he play hanzo like a couple times or am I imagining things
Sparkle isnt a great sombra
ur imagining things
But Doha was a killer sombra
like one of the best when they where in contedies
probably mistaking it with fusion who ran hanzo more often
But his pool is Pharah genji doomfist and he can play Hanzo and junkrat
I think
when they played reign last season they actually put soon on the rat
but that was the saucy tire series so
it doesn't prove anything
since both teams were playing really weird
cant wait till this gamestop stuff ends and i buy my own owl team
Doha can play
Sombra
Genji
Echo
Junkrat
Mei
Pharah
Hanzo
Ashe kinda but not amazing
Doomfist
trying to make a genji tier list but all the notable genjis are s tier
and everyone else just barely plays him loll
Agilities
Holy shit am I the hot take one now
Mainly because the one time genji was meta this season he was ultra op and you kind of had to carry on him so everyone who played him well would look godlike
Is it weird to call Agilities B tier gengu
A tier prob
he dragged toronto to 4th place even though they finished like 11th in na
so I would say A
idk in summer showdown agilities was a madman same with the All Star Game
S sparkle eqo Ivy
A Eileen rascal erster profit (?)
B Agilities Fleta Profit (?)
I would put ivy in S
Ivy is sick yeah
Profit gibraltar genji was 
I wonder where Haksal stacks up if he was on a competently coached team during summer showdown
since he used to be considered the best
Probs S
haksal sombra
best genji was without a doubt sparkle
No tracer for Dallas means no win
in showdown at least
That simple
Sparkle better than haksal
I feel like eqo is the 2nd GOATed genji
And haksal annihilates whoru
In terms of GOAT idk
It’s probably haksal
Haksal has been considered the best for 4 years
first time i see someone giving love o EQO
legit i only see eqo hate here
I mean his genji was #1 in season 1 and amazing this last ywar
EQO is great
sdb was the better genji player was he not
compared to eqo
S1
Got benched because sdb had not much flexibility
No, eqo had better stats actually
didn’t talk either
wait when did houston run linkzr genji lolll
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And he played snarter
sdb just never used blade
Linkzr plays genji?????????????
Yeah
He was the MAIN genji in s1 for them
thats like the reverse blase cree
lmao isn’t there a clip of Linkzr using blade and getting no kills and then fleta uses it and kills 4
Its like a super orisa
Well yeah Linkzr isnt good but its one of Houstons better genjis
what projectile players did houston have at the time?
in summer showdown the few bits they ran genji they played danteh
otherwise they just forced tracer ashe/widow
S1 Houston had linkzr, Jake, arhan, and clockwork
If I recall
I don’t think arhan was played on genji though
Arhan was the genji for 2016 OWWC for South Korea however
yeah during genji meta they only played genji like a couple rounds
the rest they forced tracer
since danteh is just way better on that
2016 owwc isn’t exactly the best place to base someone’s skill on,
I will never forget stylosa playing for UK OWWC
Lmaoo
muselk for australia
australia was actual garbage
they had a diamond lucio
and like a few random well known ladder players
lmao
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when fusion 4v5 the titans and 3-0 sweep
good org
Do you mean 5v6
Lol
I am used to cs 
playing with chipsa on your team is a instant 5v6
I wish we saw more of chipsa 😭
sO uNlOoKy
lmaoo
So unlooky
😭
Jeff kaplan intentionally placed that wall there so chipsa would fall off the map
why was that game such a diverse meta wasn't that during double shield or is it just because it is koth
Jeff stream sniper confirmed?!?
guys make your predictions, when is harblue gonna get picked up by a owl team
my guess is 2025
Never
were these all meta last may or was it just what they happened to play lmao
hero bans
oh yee
different strategies
I forgot those happened lmao
good riddance man
Cause
#1 team vs 20th
idk I lowkey liked them because we didn't have to watch ball every single fucking game

this meta has gotten so stale to me
hero bans was just a excuse for blizz to not fucking balance the game properly

Ashe having insane dynamite damage and her original ammo capacity and a stalling ult and 2 kill ability, lets just disable her for a week

Original Ashe and Sigma I think are the biggest examples of power creep besides brig
and then ball echo after being irrelevant just come in and take the crown

when metas are almost entirely new heroes because blizzard can't make new heroes without erasing the need for old ones by giving the new ones far too much kit

its so bad
like reinhard had a shield
but he was super immobile when he used it, and was a close ranged hero
thats balanced
dva had matrix but weak gun to compensate, rein had shield but no mobility, and then boom sigma pops in and has all 3 plus flux
like ok
he can block shit and now shoot 2000 damage back instantly
they just add orisa, give her a shield, pull and damage resist and poke
Brig having aoe heals, e heals, stun, and shield and a ranged attack is pepega
next hero is just gonna be reinhard but with a gun and he can fly
honestly
compared the old hero kits to the newer ones tho, it's so poorly done
widow has a grapple, and a useless venom mine
idk if I could do better but making a hero that has shield matrix and stun and a stronger primary ranged fire than the other two tanks that play that role was kind of bruh
also echo is just pharah but better imo
the new fox hero is just gonna be genji and hanzo combined together but with grav on cd and all the weebs will jerk it to her
👍

Beam
idk it just seems like everytime a new hero came out it stayed meta for a long ass time and it is kind of annoying
According to danteh tracer bullets has travel time? Lol like barely but still
Tracer Widow have at least held their ground as not being outclassed entirely by new heroes 😎
then you have people like doomfist who are borderline useless at that level loll
when cree and widow were good, and banned
didnt bqb bust out some soldier
All I remember is philly vs paris
What a game
voting has already started, so cast your vote
I'm canadian but I don't trust our team
Mangachu 100000% won't play
he only plays wow
and s4 might not play
and then were fcked
the dps trio for denmark is CRACKED
Denmark ez
and it only has 1 player from last year
either way its gonna be korea vs china finals with korea taking it 4-1
💀
yveltal or superich
No xqc 
if only babybay/sinatraa/corey didn't retire
do you think they would've made a difference
Korea is crazy
ik, the girls right ;)

wait is this legit a thing
or just fan made voting
will there be actual games played?
this is legit reaching SO far
nah it don't make sense
Profit is better than libero at like
everything
except mei?
I mean maybe as like an echo mei specialist
yeah
why even be on seoul when profit exists
seoul stonks going up
I do think shd and valiant are locks where they are at now
chengdu that high up???
but everything in between is interchangeable
All of apac looks great
We dont know how new look valiant will be
But if they pickup the entirety of team CC not signed
Diya, superrich, innovation etc.
They are going to be stacked
he never had a chance
mayhem are a mile higher than they should be imo
Paris has a better roster than london atm
all their players individually are cracked, while london gets slapped around by an american team on 150 ping 
london spitfire for the win
loll just because florida had a bad series at winter ball doesn't mean they will be bottom tier when their roster is very similar to last year and they were top 4 imo
they sidegraded their whole roster from last year so I doubt florida could be that low 😦
and if reign get ksp they will easily be above houston methinks
I thought they were gonna be that low the whole time
what is naga good at besides echo I haven't seen him play in a while
like pre echo meta
- no leader
- Slime pepega
- Oge unreliable
- I have a feeling Fate influenced the team positively very heavily
- Limited faith in checkmate
Naga is a solid mei and pharah
also dallas so high?
allegedly checkmate is cracked but we shall see, and yeah I could see slime being a detriment because he hasn't started in a year but at the same time bqb and yaki and gargoyle and gangnamjin are solid
but oge sux
dallas low**

also nyxl at the bottom sadge
oge > muze for now
that was a while ago
I think muze has overtaken him by now
at LEAST on ball because muze was really good in the valiant ball
only acceptable ranking

true
I have zero faith in British Hurricane
the tank line is really good
I love how everyone used to hype up britsih hurricane
and now like 90% ranks paris above them
now the blase signing makes them look worse
the established team gets more praise than the contendies leftovers
thinking about how they dropped this roster for a contenders team that would get crushed outside of the EU region 
they should have just got better coaches and dropped a few extras to save money if it was a budget thing
you are small brain
im pretty sure they dropped the koreans
because they're gonna have the players in europe

I know
which makes even less sense because europe as a region doesn't exist in owl
loll
you dont exist to me

idk why they did European expansions in the first place if they were only going to do 2 of them and force them to base themselves in a different continent
even with homestands its so much extra unnecessary expenses
at least london won a title though
How’s the Houston Outlaw lineup looking? Haven’t been keeping track of anything
WHAT! JAKE!
also dropped some good players sadly
who...
Oof...
"dropped some good players"
but also jecse and meko
"boink"
jecse and meko were the only ones they shouldn't have dropped
Who are the new players?
Crimzo too
crimwho???
dallas fuel guy
im sorry dad ill do better next time
it's ok son

who is crimzo again?
A moira main 
Hmmm looks good... but I will have to see preformance before I judge anything
not even moira players can outdamage decay
That is such an unstacked category you could literally call like any good na player flexing to support best support na
Best NA Flex support of age is what I'd say 😄

what about chipshajen????
oh dude I'm so sorry
or super zen???
must've slipped my mind
are you already that old dad
Which teams have the most promising players? (New players not old/returning)
chengdu and spark have new talent too
Pelican is really good as well
that look pretty kewl
imagine thinking chengdu is gonna be any good 
ok little man i'll let it slide
Chengdu still have potential honestly. They're like the Florida mayhem of Apac
I mean potential to be above the bottom 3
But that's about it
Spark and charge are just better
1987 rookie of the year

diya roty when
Any promising rookies?
But bro I wanted Benbest 😡
I just want london to do well tbh
Any teams that basically reset their lineup?
london
if only benbest wasn't SHIT he would have made owl
there, i said it
nyxl reset, paris reset, london reset
Nyxl? Who’s the new players?
all the new chinese players doe
flora, yakpung, ivy
Chengdu could rival spark/charge imo. I'm not sure they'll keep up vs SHD/Dynasty though
😋 looking sexy
stfu
my boys dynasty also looking hot but fits emp charge rate still slower than my dad going to the store to buy milk 😔
sorry but he's not coming back
no plz 😭
just like how diya is never gonna go to a owl team
Diya could be joining Wuhan Valiant for all we know
According to daan he was in the same trials and scrims as Benbest 🤔🧐
And got picked over him 😎
yes the players wanted daan for some reason
big dick daan
also i loved this tweet from nyxl
omg I saw that
imagine roasting your new star pick-up jesus

When is hotba 😎
Washed player, Washed team, Washed generation 😄
(Jokes, before anybody throws scrimbux or past history at me)
shock is cock
nico
According to sources, the Los Angeles Valiant have signed superstar Flex DPS free agent Nicolas "NiCOgdh" Moret.
yeah
Nico is on shus money crew and they did absolutely horrid in gauntlet so I can't imagine a chinese run team would be jumping to pick him up and force a mixed roster lmaoo
That leak sounds braindead and fake lmao
it's baaz0
french player to the team that is supposedly dropping everyone for chinese players lol
it would probably be more unexpected then the chipsa signing
Bazzo is a weird person, yeah they have correct takes sometimes but their overall persona is not it
throw shit at the wall and see what sticks
they're a hot mess
same guy that felt leaking the paris eternal roster was his responsibility
This OWL clip sure hits different seeing it a year later LMAO https://t.co/9YHFpWY0dB
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never forgetti
maybe we have found the true origin of covid with this clip
bruh pls
she just any other person livin life
This is real btw
damn boi she's spreading bacteria
They've also picked up sh2pe to translate for him
its like when beast/silkthread almost got signed to chengdu
loll
imagine pulling a western player all the way to china
and it is just beast lmao
like someone like Nero I could get it, but imagine dragging someone like Beast all the way to china lmao
Nah I can't imagine forcing a bunch of korean and chinese players to speak english just so you can play NERO
what a waste
I mean tbf they needed a common language if they mixed chinese and koreans already
albeit english typically isn't that language loll
idk nero isn't bad
but idk if he is worth all the trouble when you have eileen already
he's not horrible but eileen is just a billion times better
nero's hero pool doesn't get bigger than like
four heroes
what does striker actually do besides tracer?
it felt like he got to play a ton because she just stayed relevant but what does he actually play besides her lol
didn't ans play sym
Honestly striker is a god gamer
whenever they used her
I don't remember but I vaguely recall a sym kings row teleport strat with ans on sym
but I could be wrong loll
think that happened
Yeah it makes more sense tracer on control maps is better
sounds familiar
Striker usually was played for reaper/tracer/hanzo/junk
But can still play ashe/cree when he needs to
Oh yes his reaper how could I forget
Not saying much but prob a top 3 reaper
Although any reaper would look good on shock
I think he's the best reaper imo
Why the FUCK
what
Would la valiant pick up nico
Imagine how fucking funny it would be if dallas end up signing nico and benbest
sad that they had good seasons and still had to go back to contendies
I think we all sleep on striker when he plays it pretty well
eileen can pop off on reaper but that doesn't say much if they still lose the map
Reaper isn't the kind of hero that people make top 3's for
like moira
but more skill
although striker reaper looks like it's better than anyone else's
imo
tbf if you put fleta reaper in striker reaper's place fleta reaper would probably be considered the best by a fair few people too
yeah reaper is just a hero that at the top level looks the same on most players that are at the top
I think it's mostly playstyle and what the coaches tell you to do but yeah
aim wise or even ult wise

london spitfire

super looks so old in that pic
kek
Still has that LARGE forehead tho
hey can someone hop in a vc w/ me and explain how the comp scene works

you pick a favorite team
then cry every weekend because they never win
your team makes promising changes in the off season
and you become hopefull
and then it just repeats
your favourite team beats the dragons, you think they will have a chance at the title this season and then the next week they get swept by the valiant
nyxl be like
Philly be like
And pick up whoru when libero is better at everything except genji
Even then libero has a good genji
and your main ashe/widow player just gives up halfway during the season
forcing sbb to fill that gap
And you keep the same trash coach
no i meant like how the lower leagues work going into comp
You mean contendies
like if and org was gonna pick up aa team what teps would the team take to becom pro for instance
adn what are the returns like
i cant find anything usefull on google
Orgs would pick up a top tier team in contenders and put them in owl
Like the titans
yes but what i meen is what steps do the team tkae from that point to get toi competative play
liek in siege you do natinals , thne chalangers, then pro , there are also community discord leagues ect
what are the voerwatch equivilants
we dont have that
You form a team and go to contenders
Yea
it's like open division - contenders - overwatch league
and there's no real starting point
Usually it goes open div > contenders trials > contenders > OWL
i remember one of the philly fusion players went directly from ladder to owl
thx
Contenders is kinda dead tho
Ans went from ladder to OWL
so is there any real point in being backed by an= org as a team in contendors
When he was picked up he was just a ladder player though
still had some professional experience, sado had nothing
Sado was trash for 2 seasons tho
And then he doesnt get signed even tho he is top 3
Ivy has the best mei in the league
His genji can keep up with sp9rkle
his hanzo is disgusting
delusional af
heh
we have found the fusion fan in chat
Ivy is not top 5
Couldn't you tell that from my nick
best flex dps is super
For sure
No
profit #1?
yeah
ofc
Lol
Flex DPS is more than just proj
Profit also plays a rly good ashe, and the 2nd best tracer
ashe isn't a flex dps though
Its in the name, FLEX dps
You need to also be able to play hitscan
Look at architect
Eleen
Flex plays both, proj only plays proj
Is eileen better then ivy
I would say so
Then Eileen is 5th
not in my eyes
Its only mei that ivy is better at
Ivy better at hanzo
When Eileen is a better: Tracer, Genji, Sombra, Doomfist etc.
Ok so Mei and Hanzo
Eileen is just better and more flexable
idk about giving tracer to eileen
Eileen is a good tracer lol
so is ivy
yes he does
No he isnt
Eileen was more impactful this season
Ivy played her in playoffs when philly did their sombra comp
becasuse of eileen
I give ivy the edge on reaper aswell
huh
That anyone could play reaper well with good coaching
And KDG is better than Arachne
Or whoever else guangzhou had this season
Guangzhou only got arachne this season
wait then who was their coach last season?
Eileen won something ivy didnt
anyone can play anyone well with good coaching
*eileens team
ok?
That's not ivy's fault though lmao
eileen didn't deserve mvp nomination 💀
That too
The main reason he was nominated was because he carried in the genji carry meta
Xzi carriied in the finals
Fusion dedicated so many resources to shutting down sp0rkle
honestly impressive he still did well
Ivy is so underrated
yes
yo
Yes
Soo YouTube are making a clip system
Now if they make the chat a tad bit better and improve discover ability
yeah I saw that
they only give it to select channels tho
OWL will probably get it tho
did they officially announce a token drop system, like COD league has?
No, but there’s little to no chance we don’t get a token drop system aswell
They’ll probably announce it closer to the time
Update for clarity: According to sources, the deal between IGC and the Chinese org is supposedly a management deal and not a full blown sale.
IGC will be owners by name but will not manage the team themselves
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so no chinese
only the management
yeah I saw that
if still management they still control all the team members/coaches and all that doe? so 🤔
Hi
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Eileen 😭
What’s HPV
Google is your friend

Is it confirmed
Is it weird that I always kinda had a bad feeling about eileen
YOU CAN NERF ZEN BUT YOU CANT NERF VIOL2T
what'd he do
also well at least we'll never had this kind of shit with viol2t
"viol2t baby come to bed"
"shut the fuck up bitch im playing ranked"
another person on Levy's list of hatred it appears
he can never know I secretly post more on the valorant server
rip both of his gfs
well, I assume, but maybe not
either way, cheating is pretty scummy
don't be like Kephrii or Eileen kids
^
i used to watch Kephrii but after what happened i dont anymore
sucks cause hes a good widow
ye he took a big break and nows washed im pretty sure
I mean, I don't really hold it against him or anything, but I remembered him as an example
honestly, not really sure how it is our business about his personal life
unless the HPV spreading thing is true, I guess, in which case it would probably be public record
Who is the most promising player this owl season
Plat chat should talk about this
Probably mag
Carpe as always.
kevster
profit as always
Mag
Best case scenario he comes the top 2 best MT or maybe even MT in OWL
Worst case he's top 5 or 6
Sbb as always
Decay as always
still dont know why decay over diem
ALOT more flexible
And a freak on the traced
Diem on this kind of roster would only play the widow and ashe
Honestly i think decay could contest diem on the widow
So not a big loss
Lets say diem could play sombra to a very high level
I could see a world where you'd take him over devay
worst case Mag is the next Gator
I still am holding onto hope Gator gets gud
Eh, aim still important for her
What
??? You're always here weirdo
I hardly noticed
I hardly noticed this post.
New players: :ATLReign: Pelican, :NYXL-2: Feat5er/Gwangboong
Existing players: Smurf, Kevster, Fleta

in terms of hitscan like widow ashe I think like
S - Diem, Ans, Fits, Decay, Carpe
A- KSP, Xzi, Shockwave, Birdring
B- Soon, Glister, Heesu , Happy
C - Logix, Linkzr, Colorhex, Jerry
D - Dalton
that is my tier list at least
hmm let me change it a little
Xzi would be S if his ashe wasn't dogshit imo
since his cree and widow are godly
Fits I am not entirely sure about since he matched ans in finals but also had a meh season so hard to tell
SS- Ans
S- Fits Decay Birdring
A- KSP Xzi Diem Carpe
B- Heesu Soon Happy Logix Glister
C- Linkzr Jerry
D- Dalton Chex
Logix isn't B tier anymore
I think widow alone Diem is S and his Ashe is really nice
Muñañyo
ascended: Blase mccree
SSSSSSS tier: profit overwatch
S tier: ANS KSP Decay FITS
A tier: everyone else
best flex is super
did hotba ever dps?
when?
I remember on philly and guangzhou
if you want a specific example titans vs guangzhou on illios
ruins
how good was he
alright
Anyone remember how boombox is the best hog player on Philly
You forgot lip and bqb
Nevix played every role
So did zebbosai and erster
And kariv
And architect and libero
Don’t forget flex god hydration
eq0 has
I don't count brig in goats
When did architect play tank?
Architect can play zarya and hog and dva to a high level. He hasn't done it in owl, but he is very capable. Architect is one of those players who can play anything and everything
why not?
Because it was the role of the dps player at the time
HOLIDAY
I'd put Happy in A tier statistically he was the best too anyway I agree with this list
#overwatch-serious for that
oh ok
Flex god mirror?

I'd put linkzr in D as well as chex and dalton
But he is borderline between D and C
yeah, you just can't ever count on him being on point previously
though he really might do better on a better team for him
He's the definition of inconsistency
But at his best he is one of the best widows in the league
Remember s1
Or some parts of s3
I wouldn't even call linkzr inconsistent
he's just consistently bad
at this point in his career he has like one or two good games a season
Wait, did pine depart?
Pine hasn't been in owl in ages 
I hope with new boston chex can really flourish on widow or ashe, his ladder widow is pretty cracked even if that doesn't mean much
I on,y have really peaked interest In owl again because I wanna see if Jake will be good, if he performs well, I’ll be happy, if he doesn’t preform well ill be disappointed
Jake is going to see very little playtime - if any

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