ye thats the power of logic
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
balmy wolf
true
sullen berry
Mandu yeets profit's echo out of existence
plush grail
why did choi ult there?
austere flax
balmy wolf
hes echo??
plush grail
no but like the teamfight was won
sullen berry
duplicate would just burn it anyway
plush grail
and he copied the sombra
sullen berry
ana diff stopping the ball stall
balmy wolf
prob didnt want to die
plush grail
HAHAHAHA
choi and jihun playing with so much disrespect
but keep losing the clucthes
sullen berry
it's pretty funny
plush grail
gesture wants to get paid
sullen berry
I've had a this cup of milk sitting here for a whole hour
just really into this match rn
sullen berry
muscle gain? don't use a bunch of protein supplements
just use matcha milk tea
this post was brought to you by herbalife nutrition
sullen berry
PINE TIME
plush grail
pine time what
sullen berry
that's what it feels like whatching kaylee pop off on gibraltar
plush grail
do not compare him
to pine
big dick pine
why the fuck did fits solo emp jihun instead of like
hack him
balmy wolf
hack can get cancelled
plush grail
TOYOU NEVER DIESS
sullen berry
that delay wasn't bad
true hound
toyou kinda gaming
plush grail
seoul tankline kinda popping
sullen berry
lol avrl's stream
for anyone waiting for MARVE2, you're probably going to wait for OW2 to come out 
Gesture got played - Seoul9
silk frost
How did it go?
sullen berry
still going
Gibraltar GZC 3-4 SEO, charge attacking
fits still going sombruh
he could probably play defense hitscan
silk frost
Takeaways?
sullen berry
Jihun is about as good on rio
Kaylee getting dived on was enough to dismantle GZ defense
plush grail
gesture still top tier when it matters
silk frost
So jihun is probably just an underdeveloped talent then rather than a poopsock
worn falcon
Sparple
silk frost
Sparple?
plush grail
the people rating charge as top tier are MALDING
silk frost
Also did shanghai look really good or dallas look frighteningly bad
plush grail
only played that looked solid was xzi on cree
sullen berry
1:30AM Pacific
8:30PM Australian Time @forest raven make sure you're in today bud
sullen berry
watching some Twitch streams of Uprising Soon on Kanezaka
SoOn's tracer is still good if this meta holds up after watching the NeXT tournaments
expect no less but to watch his team secure the EMEA division
unofficial 4v4 team finland vs team france
sullen berry
nah, watch them go ham on guangzhou if they're that overwhelmed
by the might of APAC
and besides, die dallas fans need to know that not all wins during the offseason should put them off
it's just going to take them a while to be prepared
balmy wolf
they literally played the best team in the world rn
of course they lose
doesnt mean theyll shit the bed
still top of na
sullen berry
yeah
but shock could handle it
at least if it's a team getting familiar with each other
there's no doom when playing against a top team
balmy wolf
well see
sullen berry
but taking a map is certainly achievable, but it was kinda close during one map
balmy wolf
but i think they looked solid
sullen berry
can't recall
sullen berry
definitely looks like Kings's Row > Ilios > Volskaya
AVRL reckons they cannot sub out Sp9rk1e
it was a better combination with xzi?
balmy wolf
xzi sparkle is the way to go imo
plush grail
doha tracer
sullen berry
fearless was getting slapped by his former team anyways
while I was more invested in the profit eileen diff
and the NYXL Sub 1v1
Anamo 
vs Mandu 
sullen berry
the storylines are what makes these matches far more entertaining
can't wait to see the diff between dallas and gz
plush grail
nyxl vs seoul will be fun
sullen berry
that'll cement people's thoughts on how strong this team is atm
3 months can change a lot
but I will have a better idea if they're seeking improvement or looking to put on a good showing
plush grail
nothing is gonna change
dallas fuel will suck
nyxl will be #1
they 5-0'd the washed shock
plush grail
jokes aside
im super interested in dallas
this is like the 3rd time when people had high hopes
you had the envyus hype, the rebuild hype and now the em hype
sullen berry
also keen to see this rivalry blossom, it might bring shock down
sullen berry
depending on how tough it gets for shock at the start of the season
we still have a strength of schedule waiting to come out
plush grail
that take was still riding the em hype
i dont see them beating shock at all rn
unless the new dps pickups end up flopping HARD
forest raven
no player flops hard on shock
sullen berry
and I don't think you should be afraid to backtrack
I just found the EM hype comments exactly the same as the Decay and Gamsu/Note wave
plush grail
from hyped up to league and unsigned
sullen berry
glister is the one I have as many questions about as much as nero
sullen berry
depends on how much he needs to level up his game, he was a carry on spitfire
sullen berry
but a real carry would play like decay half the time when he was on dallas
plush grail
and now crusty wants to coach 3 players in 3 months
sullen berry
that's crunch time
sullen berry
Glister was signed back in december
sullen berry
assuming holidays those three and half months would probably be really tough based on the number of tweets nero puts out daily
I base this off how he tweeted back at someone when his tracer was garb on twitter during the match
forest raven
it happens
balmy wolf
hes top 10 of course he has some losing streaks
plush grail
gonna start the season with a broken mental lmao
forest raven
imagine thinking an owl player getting a broken mental over losing some ranked games
sullen berry
anyone posting win streaks at the same time would probably think they're OWL ready lmao
balmy wolf
true ^^
sullen berry
Hey Shock, just so you know, if you ever need a OWL coach as good as Crusty for 4v4 TDM, hmu
https://youtu.be/T59z_w5fWMs?t=7049 this one is straight from the archives during the May Melee qualifiers
nero tweets outta nowhere to respond to some random twitter post about him
tropic herald
so far from the dallas shanghai match, dallas overall doesnt play that well together but xzi on mccree could be their savior? also no elite tracer player is holding them back, shanghai still dominates lol
also the dva gap in game was insane
tight hill
Did souel play last night?
tight hill
Where do I watch it, I like to sleep 
tropic herald
theres vods in avrl and dogmans twitch
tight hill
Ok
raw ermine
Has the next cup started? No spoilers but can someone link the vod/stream plz. Ty
sullen berry
Erm sure I guess its probably same as yotube live links on cc
sullen berry
Has the next cup started? No spoilers but can someone link the vod/stream plz. T...
NeXT 2021 co-stream | SHD vs DAL then SEO vs GZC (starts at 31:15) http://www.twitch.tv/avrl/v/884712440?sr=a&t=1878s
raw ermine
Ty
spring lintel
Is contenders so dead that players just fuck around and troll? Or is that just Australia?
raw ermine
just AU, but the memeyness is in other region a bit
spring lintel
Yeah cause i just saw a video and it’s way different than how it used to be.
hot heart
AU really isn't an OW region anyone considers to be of any value
hot heart
Yeah
But other than that
No value
They've only produced what like 1 or 2 players that got into OWL?
weak bolt
I enjoyed Froggers team in contenders just memeing
forest raven
it's a dead region
no one lives here
if you're thinking of Chex he's a kiwi @hot heart
weak bolt
Custa, Chex, Punk and Adam (f) are the OCE based people who made OWL
forest raven
Chex is a fucking ranked warlord
forest raven
Chex is not australian 
raw ermine
the region is technically Oceania, so yeah chex counts
also technically if we count people who came from the teams in the region, and not the country
then dreamer as well
main iron
😞
slow kraken
Tbh if EU was one country team, then they would beat NA same with Asia
cloud latch
Idk about asia
next mesa
where can I find link
I need to watch nexus cup
how would EU beat asia
no
I need the vods
someone sauce bilibili link for this morning's matches
hot heart
You can also find an english co-stream at Dogmans twitch
slow kraken
I didn’t say EU would beat Asia, I was just saying the same with EU
If Asia was one big team then they would dominate
trail perch
The low/mid tier Asian temas would dominate eu na
Remember the Olden days of apex where flash lux beat eu na teams
That was fleta 1v6ing but still
raw ermine
TLDR of the first 2 next cup matches. Spoilers, obviously
Dallas vs Dragons:
||Dragons won 3-0, they were more coordinated, they had dedicated tracer, and hanbin was not the greatest dva. His sig is better. Xzi popped off but it wasn't enough.||
Charge Vs Dynasty:
||Dynasty won 3-1, Jihun was in often on the ball, both off tanks popped off. Kariv was shaky, the new charge DPS were decent, but in the end I think the coordination and knowledge of the dynasty tanks did well. Marvel did kinda feed tho||
Meta for the cup:
||Ball Dva Brig zen tracer sombra echo. Winston + zarya played a bit, with ana for the 2nd match.||
tropic herald
There was Ana Bc they went to Gib
tawdry hamlet
Ana Monkey Gibraltar are the ultimate trio 
tropic herald
I kinda thought McGravy was trolling with the ToYou OT soo high all that time ago but now I’m seeing ToYou play and it’s definitely no troll
raw ermine
||his zarya at the end of gib, mmmmm||
tropic herald
Wait a min nevermind he put ToYou C+
earnest leaf
My pred was almost right for shd vs dallas
balmy wolf
still wrong
earnest leaf
One map off rip
silk frost
dallas bottom 3?????????????????
tawdry hamlet
takes 2 top players and a plethora of mid players that all used to play together and expects them to magically beat the second or first best team in the league
fans moment
silk frost
I mean Fearless, Hanbin, Xzi, and Doha are all pretty damn good
its just jecse I had questions about
and sparkle but don't tear me up for that one
earnest leaf
Dallas is paris 2.0 with a different mt and a worse MS
weak bolt
Fuel are going to have to hope that this season doesn't have a tracer meta
earnest leaf
Idk why they are rated so highly
silk frost
a MUCH worse ms
tawdry hamlet
crimzo paintbrush is NOT an upgrade from jecse fielder rapel tho even if the current performance is lackluster by hype standards lmao
silk frost
I mean its pretty hard to downgrade from crimzo paintbrush with top 19 aspirations
untold wraith
where are we on the Dallas Fuel Cycle
weak bolt
Dallas are just very meta depedant imo. If they get something they can use sparkle for, they'll do great. If they get double hitscan or tracer metas, they'll struggle
tawdry hamlet
Fuel have too many holes at the moment
weak bolt
By the sounds of it, Hanbin might be a weakness too if they can't play sigma
tawdry hamlet
besides xzi
silk frost
don't diss my mans doha
tawdry hamlet
doha is barely going to play though 
weak bolt
Doha's sombra is good, but beyond that I'm kind of skeptical
tawdry hamlet
unless we get blessed by a projectile meta
silk frost
rush overrated.
Sparkle outdated.
Long have we waited.
erster activated.
tawdry hamlet
xzi hanbin and fearless are all top tier in their roles and the supports are like b+ tier and then the rest are mid af because Doha is projectile and not super good at any particular hero and sparkle has no flexibility outside of like genji sombra and then projectiles that doha already has covered
they lack a flex or 2nd hitscan essentially 
wanton birch
when is gbs gonna be announced......... a team has to have picked him up by now
silk frost
2022
weak bolt
Wuhan Valiant probably picking him up
weak bolt
Dallas isn't bad, but they may struggle to be a top 3 team like a lot of their fans expect
wanton birch
im fairly sure gbs unfollowed the gladiator member he followed and dpei retweeted his lft post which he doesnt really do for players without association with the glads
silk frost
I expected them to be a close #3 in NA but top 5 overall, now I think they'll be significantly lower
wanton birch
so perhaps they had a deal but it fell through ???
balmy wolf
they are top4 na thats what the roster is anticipating
earnest leaf
I'm guessing top6 at worst
wanton birch
xzi was doing insane but i feel the supports and fearless just were not in sync
balmy wolf
bruhhh
tawdry hamlet
I mean they were projected top 3 by like everyone and I think they can do it if there isn't a tracer meta
silk frost
Fearless - moon = season 1
wanton birch
rapel was not it
silk frost
this is a dragons without fearless but with Fate is my line of thinking
weak bolt
I just expect Dallas to be exactly the same as Paris last year. If they get a good meta, they'll do very well. Rest of the time they'll be good, but not great
earnest leaf
^
balmy wolf
yes
silk frost
but worse because they don't have ninek
wanton birch
i cant see them being outside top 5 NA though
silk frost
well yeah
weak bolt
It's all going to come down to how often the meta changes
tawdry hamlet
I just don't know why they kept doha if they knew they got sparkle
they could have invested in a much more flexible 3rd
weak bolt
If they get a good meta for 1st tourney, and grand finals, nothing stopping them being S4 champs. If they get a good meta in mid season and thats it, they could be outside top 5
silk frost
I mean I still think Sparkle is slightly worse than Doha overall due to Doha being smorter
wanton birch
i think dallas is gonna be this years seoul
weak bolt
Where as a team like Shock or Dragons could be champs no matter what the meta
silk frost
I think Dallas will be this year's Dallas
tawdry hamlet
minus a competent third dps like fusion had 
wanton birch
i think dallas s4 is seoul s3 . Justice s4 is paris s3
weak bolt
Fusion weren't a top team last year imo. My (perhaps hot) take is they got overhyped by dunking on easy NA teams most of season, and achieved nothing else
tawdry hamlet
Dallas really really needed someone like Heesu on dps
silk frost
more like justice s4 guangzhou s3 tbh
tawdry hamlet
Fusion in the finals meta just didn't have it, Fury and Sado aren't really insane at road hog and they didn't run carpe widow opting to run heesu ivy most of the series and such
wanton birch
lets see if gladiators disappoint again
tawdry hamlet
I think their tanks weren't ready for finals meta
and that is why fusion lost so easily
weak bolt
I'm not sure Glads can disappoint this year, I mean, nobody is really rating them as a championship winning team that I've seen
tawdry hamlet
they are mostly from what I have seen projected 2nd na
so I mean they could easily disappoint
wanton birch
there was a community ranking and they were voted 2nd in na i think
weak bolt
Ah I missed that then. Last I saw had Dallas/Justice being more hyped than LAG
tawdry hamlet
alright guys who is hyped to watch florida run the exact same team with like 2 changes and hope it somehow ends differently this year 
wanton birch
i think reddit mostly has top three as washington gladiators and shock
weak bolt
Florida are my dark horse for this year. I think they could bring some surprises
wanton birch
chengdu and spark dark horses
jolly steeple
the only concern I have is oge
wanton birch
people sleeping on them
weak bolt
Florida pretty much depends solely on if they can get OGE to his potential
solar bison
What team is oge on?
jolly steeple
florida
wanton birch
oge was never that good
jolly steeple
fuel
weak bolt
If OGE booms himself again for another season, Florida are out of it
wanton birch
teams keep picking him up cause his peaks in season one where he wasnt even top 3
jolly steeple
I mean he has a lot of potential
I think
he hasn't really had good coaching in owl
wanton birch
3 seasons to prove it
jolly steeple
also hes generally been on really underwhelming teams
weak bolt
Tbf he barely played S1, and then S2 Dallas was a mess
solar bison
Oge was worst part on glads
wanton birch
i mean with glads half the team was pretty good and oge wasnt on that half
weak bolt
Last year was a mess, but there was clearly something up with him/space/LAG
solar bison
Besides goose
wanton birch
yeah biggoose wasnt it
solar bison
My bad
cedar oasis
oge is bad
wanton birch
shaz was mid
earnest leaf
Biggoose/shaz was super meh
wanton birch
he wasnt that bad
jolly steeple
shaz was meh and goose was just bad
solar bison
Shaz was mid but a consistent mid
weak bolt
It's probably far easier to look bad when you have Biggoose/Shaz as your supports, then for example Viol2t/Moth
wanton birch
lets put it this way, shaz wasnt playing bad enough to be excuse for how bad oge was playing
jolly steeple
I mean his winston was
good
his orisa was really bad
his rein was inconsistent
you act like he was horrible no matter what
weak bolt
OGE has the chance this year for a redemption arc, and also on a full Korean roster for the first time
weak bolt
If he fucks it up this year, he's out
earnest leaf
Solid team around him
jolly steeple
its his last chance but his best chance to prove himself
wanton birch
if one tank role is good and the rest are all bad, then he was bad
weak bolt
Also it's not like there is a huge amount of MT's available if you drop OGE. Who else do you get?
weak bolt
Choices of MT's available is really slim compared to the OT market
earnest leaf
Hey super isn't that bad
wanton birch
Sh2pe ?
earnest leaf
I think just 4 actually
wanton birch
hes pretty good
earnest leaf
Yeatle 
jolly steeple
sh2pe is a menace
earnest leaf
Get a ladder ball otp
jolly steeple
the beijing ball
wanton birch
what is with sh2pe and danteh on twitter
tawdry hamlet
wait a minute, if Beast was never resigned by Toronto couldn't Tornado technically have lost Gauntlet or you think they would have dropped him by then loll
wanton birch
wait what
jolly steeple
him and speedily
wanton birch
why?????
wanton birch
ah ok
jolly steeple
who just egos everyone he plays against
tawdry hamlet
when the best t2 team in na is just a thrown together squad of rejects
jolly steeple
NA and EU teams are horrible
earnest leaf
T2 players gotta chill with the egos and toxicity lmao
weak bolt
T2 is a bit of a mess really. It seems to gain traction around the end of Owl seasons, into offseason. Then when people realise they aren't getting signed, they stop caring
wanton birch
why are all the best NA t2 players 18 or under
tawdry hamlet
not even just na
weak bolt
Probably because those under 18 players dont need jobs/responsibility, and can do the T2 grind :p
tawdry hamlet
Sugarfree played in gauntlet as a stand in right
dude joined t2 when he was 13 loll
wanton birch
if a new team comes in for season 5 they have plenty of talent to pick from
ojee and lukemino to league
wanton birch
his baps that nutty though
jolly steeple
well yeah but thats it
wanton birch
him as a sub player where he has a year to learn
jolly steeple
also uv is really good at every hero
tawdry hamlet
I do enjoy that all the new t2 teams shit on revival though, really shows how much the skill requirement to get into the league has increased
either that or mcgravy just sucks
tawdry hamlet
yes that is established, just humorous that s3 league players are barely even mid in an already really low skill ceiling na contenders scene
wanton birch
all my man had to do was get retweeted by a popstar and boom hes suddenly not seen as a bottom 3 offtank ,which he was
tawdry hamlet
weak bolt
Mcgravy was just a charisma player. Lets face it, LAV was basically a contenders team risk of pickups at the time
jolly steeple
mcgravy stood up for women so he must be top half in owl
tawdry hamlet
there were quite a few league teams last season that american tornado could probably beat honestly
jolly steeple
I mean
even this season
half of american tornado beat paris eternal
in a scrim
tawdry hamlet
dallas when they sub onigod on 200 ping in for decay lmao, Houston all season, Titans all season,
weak bolt
Isn't the current meta very favourable for AT though
tawdry hamlet
ball meta lowkey either made a shit team insane or a good team shit
wanton birch
karmic grotto
isnt shock in korea?
tawdry hamlet
like if you watched odyssey try to match tornado ball instead of just playing their orisa sigma double shield thing they had going on they just got rolled
jolly steeple
na honestly
could have had some pretty good teams
like UA darkmode lft were good in gauntlet
but lft is gone, darkmode lost some players and jmac, ua lost some
weak bolt
Lots of T2 players are calling it quits now, they can see they missed out on S4 OWL
tawdry hamlet
Gauntlet was honestly just so many letdowns of players you want to succeed getting rekt by players you barely remember 😦
if covid and lack of profit hadn't nuked any scrub players that were kept around just because then maybe more of them would have stuck around in t2 to try and make it
but now saucy and mcgravy and apply and paintbrush tier players have no shot in the league unless they get on a team that just enjoys signing shit na players like Houston omegalul
weak bolt
If Beast can make it, any of them can
weak bolt
Depends what happens with OWL next year, it could be OW2L
jolly steeple
always a chance owl gets cucked and doesn't return next year
they should be fine though, as long as they make some money this season
tawdry hamlet
Buy ins were too high for a game on its 3rd year of life by the time some expansions were added
mortal abyss
Weren't buy ins for expansion teams like 50-60 million
mortal abyss
20 million buy ins were for the season 1 teams yeah
But regardless- i doubt any team owners are happy about the amount of money the league is making, if OW2 isn't hugely succsessful, it's likely we'll see teams start to drop out in season 5
digital cloud
I worry about it
Ow has dropped off hard
People hate the team aspect
It is even more important than is CS or Dora
Dota*
tight hill
Tf
wanton birch
league group stages getting twice the viewership in the west as the owl finals
mortal abyss
OWL doesn't need to be as popular as League to do well, but it could certainly be doing better, in the west at least, viewership in Asia has skyrocketed but most of the leagues investors are american companies who won't care much for Chinese viewership
tawdry hamlet
I mean tbf, the chinese companies stacked fat amounts of money into the apac teams loll
Bilibili bout to solo fund the whole apac region
wanton birch
i mean with the buy in cost i think owl should be at least semi close to lol
plush grail
The buy in just doesn't make sense to me
They legit paid 20 million
For a spot in a new league
Which could easily have flopped
plush grail
20 mil is nothing to a millionare like super cashew
plush grail
imagine some random billionare buying owl
plush grail
and just joining random matches as a player
wanton birch
im not sure who but i remember some team owner not in the league saying a lot of the buy ins where from people as a sign of good will to the Blizzard ceo
could be fully wrong though
sullen berry
haha
49% Dallas Fuel 51% Guangzhou
low confidence bat on AVRL's predictions to date
For Seoul / Shanghai
SEO 33% to 67% SHD
feral zodiac
Would you say the Shanghai dallas game was close despite the scoreline?
tawdry hamlet
plush grail
did fielder play?
sullen berry
no
sullen berry
he was not playing this weekend sadge
plush grail
c9 pog
sullen berry
and if they DON'T make the most of fielder in the regular season
I'm pointing towards a direction I wouldn't think was possible with this roster
tawdry hamlet
So are jecse and rapel and fielder overrated or like B tier or what are they 
plush grail
do not underestimate the dallas fuel
they will buy the best roster possible
and still end up going 9-31
sullen berry
no erster to date this weekend
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
deep playoffs run fuel is the only thing a burned out roster can do
plush grail
dallas fuel fans probably just happy they're not going apac cause they'd get clowned on
sullen berry
(or could they follow the profit/gesture strat to the finals)
plush grail
seoul is doing the strat
tawdry hamlet
I am hyped to watch philly get clowned on in apac 😎
plush grail
SEOUL AL THE WAY BB
sullen berry
who wins the match
plush grail
they bought sbb, they bought me as a fan
sullen berry
same would happen if Eileen was bought out and played on a roster outside of an org from asia
plush grail
never gonna happen
chinese players
never get picked up apparantly
does NA even have any chinese players
sullen berry
well it's not something teams would consider doing now
but what if?
( i don't think about this at all, just the possibility and the effort is visibily difficult )
wanting to know who will be the very first org to take the leap on a chinese player with a good command of english
tame hemlock
Man ,do I want to FUCK the EVER LIVING SHIT out of winston, amirite or amirite fellas????
sullen berry
rather than players like silkthread
plush grail
idk i've never been hot on the charge and the players tbh
also this image lmaoo
the other players have no face
just GAMSU
also SBB 
sullen berry
pretty bois
unkempt gale
sullen berry
well would you know it
the diff is strong
Rush and NineK were no doubt impressive on Paris Eternal last year
but Rush vs Arachne?
plush grail
imagine going back in time 2 months after dallas signed the em boys
and telling them that dallas is gonna go 3-0
but seoul is either gonna win 3-1 or lose 2-3
plush grail
feral zodiac
Seoul and shanghai playing rn?
plush grail
games are over
tawdry hamlet
What really
Power rankings shuffle time
I think this meta just really really sucks for some teams lmao
noble nexus
what meta were they playing
plush grail
zen brig, ball dva and a few dps
sombra, echo tracer were most played
now and then some ashe or cree
imo a pretty fun meta
waaaaay better than double shield
tawdry hamlet
Fun meta but I feel like the importance of tracer fucked certain teams loll
plush grail
i mean not just that
imagine playing a projectile player on sombra
instead of a already established good sombra
tawdry hamlet
plush grail
like i get that it was a showmatch and they're not gonna tryhard
but like
they just threw it
true hound
poor sbb
tropic herald
damn Eileen in the first map so far
sullen berry
yeah what a champ
and choi looking slightly more co-ordinated
now how about mykaylee
tropic herald
its unfortunate that dallas best tracer is also their best echo
tawdry hamlet
Dallas dps lineup kind of weak sauce
It is literally paris without soon tracer and ashe to back it up when sparkle the one trick doesn't work
plush grail
nah good dps line-up with obvious weakness
plush grail
<:Salutations:520101260041519108>
this 100%
i was thinking about this earlier
they picked up paris
but not the backup
which filled a few holes
cedar oasis
Seoul should put sbb on sombra
tawdry hamlet
Even if they wanted to stay all korean they could have shelled out money for someone like Heesu
Well Heesu probably too expensive
But there had to be someone out there
plush grail
my guess is that sbb is gonna be the reaper/cree
tawdry hamlet
Be nice if dallas was able to afford libero
cedar oasis
Sbb has a good sombra
Problem is profit plays Tracer and echo
Sbb only plays Tracer
plush grail
they approached sbb so they must have a reason to pick him up
cedar oasis
I could see him playing sombra
plush grail
and they could've picked him up as a content creator or coach if they wanted him to do that stuff
but they picked him up as a player
tawdry hamlet
If only sayaplayer hadn't retired
tawdry hamlet
I really want titans to host a shit show tourney like valiant ball just so I can watch them play lmaoo
sullen berry
@tropic herald this was pretty undecided going into the tournament
tawdry hamlet
Or better yet can someone just leak the replay codes for titans scrims pls I must know how da scrims go
For humor
plush grail
titans have to scrim open division team just to have a chance pog
tropic herald
the assumption was that shanghai was the best team so this 50/50 pred makes since
tawdry hamlet
plush grail
I guess the ''seoul is only good during play-offs'' curse also extends to showmatches
watch them get 3-0'd by chengdu first match of the season
tropic herald
what i have learned from seoul, toyou and creative are proving themself pretty good
plush grail
Halo posted this earlier about toyou
with his perfomance this weekend i can see this being true
but im just wondering why halo thinks this
is my man investing in toyou scrim stock
slow kraken
Where can you watch the tourny
Ranked Warlord
raw ermine
thought custa was washed tbh
tawdry hamlet
I mean you can be number 1 and still suck at league but I thought he would have dropped to like 4300 nowadays
but apparently not lmao
next mesa
custa joins outlaws
raw ermine
the fact joobi plays lucio cancels that out tho
next mesa
lucio is shit anyway pepelaugh
plush grail
super is washed
plush grail
jesus christ what is dogmans power ranking
this if one of if not the worst power ranking i have ever seen
cloud latch
florida 2ND????
plush grail
he must be baiting right
earnest leaf
Boston that low is weird
worn falcon
Put dallas down under vanc
plush grail
rate my power ranking
raw ermine
Luigi's an alpha for making this ranking
raw ermine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umkpTv7yHfA
its just about to start!
nvm they're interviewing muma?
worn falcon
@plush grail woah, Chengdu not even top 3
raw ermine
in apac it is
plush grail
alsoi forgot valiant is in apac
but they'll rebrand to something chinese
and they wil mentally be in NA still
sand violet
plush grail
he's obviously baiting
and just kinda riding the seoul hype
i feel like the casters are just trying to say big chungus the most amount of times they humanly can
jolly steeple
rate my power ranking
titans too low
plush grail
wrong
timid phoenix
obvious troll power ranking
timid phoenix
yeah thats why atlanta is first lmao
plush grail
??? they have a top tier support line with dogman and iris?
jolly steeple
yeah and its FACTS that teru is the best flex dps in owl
tawdry hamlet
jolly steeple
roolf fire > lr1s masaa
plush grail
yeah and its FACTS that teru is the best flex dps in owl
dreamkazper > teru????
tawdry hamlet
fire is like unproven but roolf is just absolute mid mid if that
but fire is low mid too I think
and Lris Masaa are like B
maybe actually like C
timid phoenix
I mean, back in s1, dreamkazper was really good, could have still been a great player
plush grail
@tawdry hamlet take a good look at my power ranking you actual brainlet
tawdry hamlet
😎 I am aware it is a joke
plush grail
I mean, back in s1, dreamkazper was really good, could have still been a great p...
yeah remember when he single handedly destroyed his own career?
plush grail
shock is just washed
tawdry hamlet
when he beat the current goat at the time Linkzr loll
and everyone hyped up dream
and then boom
cedar oasis
cries in soon
true hound
part of me wants to believe seoul will do super well this season
but i doubt
will just be inconsistent again
tight hill
I don’t think they’ll be inconsistent just as much as they’ll be a lot worse than people expect
hot heart
Lr1s is a good FS, Masaa is going to be meh
weak bolt
Danteh/Blase/Speedily/Ojee literally farming ez money in is 4v4 tourney lol
willow kayak
weak bolt
One match they got a lead of 10 kills or so, and went and hid. Sombra/Lucio/Tracer/Ball. Ball just hung off the map behind a pillar. Sombra invis, and lucio/tracer moving round
plush light
Who played ball?
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
Joobi 🙄
tawdry hamlet
Tbf c9 is dumb loll
next mesa
Seoul will win because their roster vid is just better
digital cloud
logic
true hound
true
silk frost
wtf is happening over at the netease tournament
sullen berry
There's more to come next week
Hopefully the standing will put these teams in the right light
I do think dallas is having a hard time already and underprepared
earnest leaf
just paris 2.0 with a different MT and a worse MS
sullen berry
Different maintank putting it lightly
earnest leaf
tbf benbest did play pretty damn well last year
his rein and orisa are solid
But fearless is an upgrade
sullen berry
He's been read inside out when their debut consisted of running into old teammates
So it wasn't so much a mechanical skill gap
silk frost
fearless is an infinitely better winston, but slightly worse on the other 3 heroes
sullen berry
But mental/strategic team outplay
I presumed he would look better on ball
But JIHUN outplayed so much
sullen berry
Eileen hit F5 on tracer, even when up against washed SBB
sullen berry
Choi goes echo to flex on sbb on anubis
earnest leaf
I feel like benbest was kinda underrated last season
earnest leaf
He was over shadowed by sado in terms of improvement from previous years
next mesa
An actual fucking tragedy
sullen berry
King's Row was visibly insulting dallas
When they almost had enough kills to secure the point
silk frost
fits clicks heads
sullen berry
The whole team comes into the bacn room and steamrolled out
silk frost
but no brain
earnest leaf
i've heard lip kinda just yeets out emps off CD
next mesa
He's had like
A few bad ones
But honestly rather have that
He still gets a one man
U know
At least
tawdry hamlet
Heesu sombra is king 👑
mortal abyss
agree
hexed kestrel
dallas is top tier
cause they have the old element mystic xz1 sparkle doha hanbin
synergy
tawdry hamlet
hexed kestrel
tawdry hamlet
They really just need another dps high-key
hexed kestrel
ye i agree
i am london fan and the 2020 team was shit
i hope new team is good i have seen
tawdry hamlet
Dallas needs a flex so badly
They have a genji with a mid tier sombra and Doha to cover everyone that isn't widow or cree
hexed kestrel
we all miss the old dallas from 2018 with xqc seagull
hexed kestrel
They have a genji with a mid tier sombra and Doha to cover everyone that isn't w...
oha was the best sombra in contenders korea
*d
tawdry hamlet
They ran Sparkle on sombra in the show matches
hexed kestrel
u kinda type slowly
tawdry hamlet
Idk why they even kept Doha tbh
hexed kestrel
doha is good
tawdry hamlet
Im on my phone and typing with one thumb leaning on my side 🥺
plush light
Doha is gonna play more passive projectile dps like mei and sparkle is gonna play the aggro projectile like genji and pharah. Doha is probably gonna play echo as well. I think sparkle and xzi will share tracer duty.
feral zodiac
I get the feeling fearless will disappoint if the meta isn't winston heavy
tawdry hamlet
He has a rein and orisa that are A iirc
But I don't remember
I mean shanghai barely ran stand1 at all and did just fine so it can work
cedar oasis
Shanghai have fleta tho
noble nexus
agreed
tight hill
Does Shanghai have colourhex?
tight hill
Understandable
cedar oasis
I think s1 Boston could beat s2 and s3 Boston
plush grail
and london
cedar oasis
How is London not ass
raw ermine
glads were good s1
plush grail
is not gonna outperform s1 london
next mesa
profit diff
plush grail
shock
cedar oasis
Washington
mortal abyss
washington werent in season 1
mortal abyss
Is it safe to say the bottom few teams in season 1 are now some of the top teams coming into season
4
balmy wolf
mayhem
plush grail
idk if florida is seen as top tier this season
tawdry hamlet
Valiant will be valiant and be exactly the same mid of s1 valiant
At least in s1 they won a stage title I think
mortal abyss
idk if florida is seen as top tier this season
true
season 3 i think you could consider them a top team
plush grail
Valiant will be valiant and be exactly the same mid of s1 valiant <:Salutations:...
valiant will be chinese**
mortal abyss
top 4 in NA
plush grail
yeah but like top 4 in nae isn't that big of a title
what good teams were in na
fusion and shock?
mortal abyss
Paris
tawdry hamlet
And florida was like so inconsistent last season idk sometimes they were like better than fusion and other times they were worse than like Reign
plush grail
paris during certain metas
mortal abyss
but in APAC
You had dragons as the top team
then every other team was fighting for 2nd place
tawdry hamlet
Apac is sadge because there really aren't more than one or two shitter teams so most games are just slaughters loll
mortal abyss
In NA the top teams were better then the top teams in apac imo
tawdry hamlet
Peep the like 24-3 shanghai record
Hmm
Maybe shock
But seoul and dragons were better than fusion and mayhem imo
next mesa
only shock were better lol
plush grail
B O O O M E D
next mesa
yeah i disagree
tawdry hamlet
Hmm
mortal abyss
...
next mesa
playoffs what can I say
plush grail
philly is just there
tawdry hamlet
London last season with good coaching could have been so much better 😭
mortal abyss
i think phillys > evry apac tam apart from shanghai
tawdry hamlet
Lol
plush grail
???
mortal abyss
last year
plush grail
how philly > every apac team
noble nexus
yeahh
mortal abyss
Thats in their worst meta though
next mesa
how worst meta no excuses
plush grail
maybe in the mid season but when it matters most they shit the bed BADLY
mortal abyss
if go you by their entire season philly were better overall
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai beat them in their worst meta too
next mesa
only team to have 2 offtanks in a double ot meta
cedar oasis
Everyone believed in philly because they beat shock before the playoffs
Then they shat the bed
next mesa
although that might be why they're bad the hog needs to switch to ball sometimes
next mesa
heesu forgot how to aim
mortal abyss
I don't think you put the final 4 appearence just on the players
tawdry hamlet
Sado did not have a good ball or hog and Heesu widow was bruhsfx
mortal abyss
They could of put carpe widow ivy hanzo
plush grail
fusion needed a hard carry like dreamkazper
plush grail
soon is french
hot onyx
I felt that heesu instead of carpe wasn’t the big issue
plush grail
not european
mortal abyss
I felt that heesu instead of carpe wasn’t the big issue
yeah it goes beyond just the players
tawdry hamlet
Idk if carpe would have done much better but Heesu didn't play widow like at all all season and they just slot him in loll
mortal abyss
Philly just didn't know how to play the comp on a fundamental level
tawdry hamlet
Yeah
cedar oasis
You could say they choked
mortal abyss
sado was playing flank hog
hot onyx
He played some widow and ashe in some Paris matches
mortal abyss
which you shouldnt be doing in hog sigma
hot onyx
But I thought they should’ve reversed the off tank roles at the end and had fury sigma poko hog
plush grail
i could legit see paris beating dallas lmao
next mesa
then just get gud
mortal abyss
I think they need to properly decide who's on what for dallas's dps