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tawdry hamlet
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The spark house looked expensive aff

feral zodiac
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True

tropic herald
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BiliBili is worth about 8B why do they care

feral zodiac
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Good point lmao

sullen berry
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some really good points I'm hearing rn

feral zodiac
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I feel like half of them are just doing it because why not

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Inb4 elon musk buys a team

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After all he does play overwatch

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Scratch that, elon musk buys activision

bronze scroll
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so the thing is, I dont care, I enjoy watching OWL, so then ill watch that until its over. There is always going to be OW esports, because if OWL stops, people will start creating there own stuff, so not to worried.

tawdry hamlet
feral zodiac
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Originality

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I wonder what dogman will do after his show

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Big essay incoming

sullen berry
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Not really, it's Jacob Wolf summarized:

  • LA Valiant aren't the only team looking to sell and teams have been looking to sell for 18 months... they don't think it's worth the investment to buy a slot in Overwatch
  • As a game... if people aren't playing the game, they probably aren't watching it either. It's nowhere comparable to League of Legends.
  • In franchise fees alone, the LCK costs less to buy into than a franchise slot in OW League. The Esports Observer article about OWL deferring their payments was never due COVID, but It's also due to team owners being frustrated
  • Valorant depends on Counter-Strike, it's got a long history but if it somehow blows up then maybe it has an opportunity to dethrone it as the modern FPS
feral zodiac
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If only they could actually balance

sullen berry
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Jacob Wolf: [esports] is an investment for the future. You create a brand that is really strong, and people feel connected to. And then 5 years from now - when all these other billionaires come in and they try to create their own thing, you're already established and you don't have to play catchup.
Unfortunately, I've seen way too many VCs think they're going to make money in 3-5 years on this investment and that's just wrong

Dogman: They probably invested in the wrong game...

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now they're just talking about mobile gaming and VR stuff so it's probably not going to come back to OW again

feral zodiac
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That's Dustin Bowerman to you sir

sullen berry
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Dusttin Bowerman

hot crown
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draft me

silk frost
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who the fuck are you

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only player I know here is !

hot crown
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I am that dude

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chiiill

sullen berry
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sign for NYXL

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when they blow up in 2025

hot crown
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Hell yeah

silk frost
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no you're royalflush

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not !

next mesa
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Honestly fuck franchised slots

vagrant jacinth
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Bring back !

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40ish mil buy in is actually insane

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Didn't believe it when I first heard

shy sun
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Honest question, why did LA do this?

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Understandably, in the context of transmission rates of LA. However, they will be the bottom of the APAC region.

tawdry hamlet
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that just nuked their whole season

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they are blatantly the worst team in the region now

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that is rough

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fucking ruff

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KSP is their only hope now man

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idk if im supposed to announce stuff like that

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but woohoo

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well I guess it is in the season structure link but oh well

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redundancy moment

tropic herald
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I personally wouldnโ€™t but you did so itโ€™s fine, whatever

tawdry hamlet
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fr tho valiant literally shot straight to the bottom of power rankings lmao

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but I can finally see ksp vs diem

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so that is hype af

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KSP vs Diem and KSP vs Kaylee will be some hype matchups

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and shockwave is in there too

silk frost
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You might see that

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Did you not see whats happened today

tawdry hamlet
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yeah if their roster stays that is

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I mean idk, I don't think they would really just dump an entire team like that since they hosted the winter ball it feels like dumping their whole team and moving is so sudden ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

silk frost
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I mean I think Valiant are notably better than NYXL

tawdry hamlet
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idk nyxl dps line is stacked

balmy wolf
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NY has some strong t2 players in their roster

tawdry hamlet
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yeah feather gwangboong and flora

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idk how friday is

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and ivy is a solid pickup

weak bolt
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NYXL has potential as long as they dont boom their rookies again for like 3rd year in a row

tawdry hamlet
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would have had an insane lineup if they were able to get libero to stay

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now he teamless

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cry

balmy wolf
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i'd say their top 3 in apac on paper

tawdry hamlet
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hmm idk

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I expect shanghai on top and then charge and spark

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have massive pickups

next mesa
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Ivy is a pretty good reconciliation prize though

tawdry hamlet
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and look good

next mesa
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For libero

tawdry hamlet
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if spark do it right they could be insane this season

weak bolt
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Philly in Apac too, who the fuck knows how they're gonna do

tawdry hamlet
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yeah, I really really hope valiant doesn't drop their roster but I also lowkey do because I know there is so much talent they could pick up and ksp could find a team if he tried

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but idk

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rosters are full to the point that people like ksp could get the rascal treatment if they are dropped but I would hope not ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

weak bolt
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KSP could likely get picked up by Paris or London. He's probably the top EU hitscan out there

tawdry hamlet
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ah yeah I forgot he is originally eu

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he could easily slot in london I think

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since sparkr looks good on tracer but idk his other hitscans too well

weak bolt
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Sparkr also isn't elligible till June time

tawdry hamlet
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that is also true

next mesa
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Roster for valiant

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are there any good chinese mts left

tawdry hamlet
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diya
diya
diya
diya
diya

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that is their new roster

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boom

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I pray they shoot diya and innovation offers ๐Ÿ˜ณ

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that would be sick

next mesa
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diya innovation apr1ta lineup

tawdry hamlet
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lmaoo

next mesa
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mmonk superich

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man fuck hotba

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im taking MEK0

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LETS GO

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fuck it

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bumper

tawdry hamlet
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fucking hotba tho lmao, imagine he gets picked up

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I would die

weak bolt
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Honestly

next mesa
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main tanks

tawdry hamlet
next mesa
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chinese maintanks

tawdry hamlet
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and I don't mean food

weak bolt
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If they're willing to drop a whole roster, they have money

next mesa
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I literally only know ga9a ngl

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Yeah they do

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its china

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they got a fuckload of money

weak bolt
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I wouldn't put it beyond buying out some OWL tanks

next mesa
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bring ga9a

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lige

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reunite team cc

tawdry hamlet
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gaga is good and guxue is passable but neither are free ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

next mesa
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they win

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bam better storyline than runaway

tawdry hamlet
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gaga finna bench ameng tho

weak bolt
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Spark have Guxue, Takoyaki - Do they need both?

next mesa
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ngl they throw lige a big back

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big bag*

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spark still has bernar

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they good

tawdry hamlet
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he literally has ameng tier ball and actually has other tanks

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so I believe in gaga dream

weak bolt
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Takoyaki turns of age April 18th, so they could use him all season and sell Guxue if they wanted

next mesa
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I rather team cc back together

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I believe

weak bolt
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sign Jiqiren, the OWL redemption arc

tawdry hamlet
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ah but if valiant ditch their roster ksp shax and lastro are actually worth keeping

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imo at least

next mesa
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idk

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rather get diya

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if you can

tawdry hamlet
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idk how adam is I don't watch Australian contenders matches because it is a total meme

weak bolt
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Not if your org is Chinese and wants a full chinese roster

next mesa
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language barrier

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like

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just dump it

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as sad as it sounds

weak bolt
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No point tagging along 3 others. Commit or dont bother

next mesa
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Its probably what they are gonna do

tawdry hamlet
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that would be a big L for adam to finally make league and then get dumped lmaoo

next mesa
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well at least now they know that

weak bolt
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Hopefully he negotiated a decent Buyout Clause into his contract

next mesa
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people thinks adam is owl level

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which is good for him

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in the future

tawdry hamlet
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yeah he will find t2 slots pretty easily, from what I have seen if you played in owl at least once even as a backup or anything you are immediately valued higher over other contenders players

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like finnsi !

weak bolt
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Shame that Shax isn't Korean, he'd be the perfect fit for Dallas

tawdry hamlet
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square 1 was disappointing though, really wish they did better

weak bolt
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I reckon Rain joins Boston, KSP to London, and Lastro to Defiant

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Shax to Hurricane, Adam back to OCE contenders somewhere, and Agilities/Dreamer retire

tawdry hamlet
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agilities could be a full time streamer

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he has 122k followers on twitch

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that is 110k more than dogman iirc

wanton birch
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Ok by the valiant player tweets it seems guaranteed at this point

weak bolt
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His streams pull in between 100-500 viewers i think usually, so not bad starting point

next mesa
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why would lastro go to defiant again

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they have aztac

tight axle
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Agil is prob gonna get a team, i heard he slapped in trials and was being looked at by multiple teams. I think KSP and shax to dallas or london

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defiant prob needs a ms

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to help ansoonjae

next mesa
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which btw I thought was the #1 flex support talent but I totally forgot about 1987

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ansoonjae is a ms

tight axle
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i mean they need a second

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kdg always wanted one i think

next mesa
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not to mention lastro is flex

tight axle
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i meant defiant prob dont want lastro

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imagine agil with spark and kariv

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or charge and kariv

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i dont remember where kariv is

next mesa
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charge

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but no way charge is signing a western player lol

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not to mention they got eileen

tight axle
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true

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rain with defiant makes a bit of sense

weak bolt
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You donโ€™t need 2 MS on a team

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2 flex is far more valuable if you want to be safe with 3 supports

tight axle
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kdg wanted 3 supports from the getgo

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but yeah thats true

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defiant could easily take either one

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london prob takes shax or ksp and dallas takes the other

weak bolt
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Dallas wonโ€™t take either; they arenโ€™t Korean

next mesa
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then in that case lastro would make sense

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any of them could go to titans by the way

tight axle
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titans would prob take anyone

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paris too

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paris takes shax?

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bc hes euro

weak bolt
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Not sure Titans would take many, they seem to want an NA based team + linkzr

tight axle
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teru is korean

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but yeah

weak bolt
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I donโ€™t think Paris gain anything taking shax

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Onigod on tracer is apparently amazing, and will be better on everything else

tight axle
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hmm

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someone will take him though hes literally number one tracer

weak bolt
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KSP would probably work well for them but then Tsuna is perma benched

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I think Shax wonโ€™t find a team, heโ€™s almost a tracer one trick now, and only the truly rich teams can afford to do that

tight axle
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kinda sucks

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he was cracked

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they all were

vagrant jacinth
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Man. I would love to see us pick up ksp

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I mean, I doubt but it'd so good

next mesa
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tsun benched>

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idk

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apparently apparently

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tsuna tracer was super fucking cracked

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like a tier above every other trial player

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bro its like 90%

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92%

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confirmed

weak bolt
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Yeah all these former players pretty much confirming it, without totally ruining their reputations

next mesa
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hey hey hey bitch

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shut the FUCK up

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thank you

noble nexus
next mesa
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๐Ÿ’€ or how they lost shockwave

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but hey they got linkzr ๐Ÿ’€ ๐Ÿ’€

noble nexus
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I think that's a positive trade man

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linkzr best owl player

tight axle
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I dunno about you guys but i think shockwave could become the next s4

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or agil

noble nexus
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he must be really good! he won the windowmasker tournament! :)

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shockwave's potential is far above that of those two imo

next mesa
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cockwave

tight axle
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no like peak s4 and agil

noble nexus
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my point stands

weak bolt
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S4 and Agil were always good players, but never truly greats. Shockwave could be great

tawdry hamlet
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Agilities outside of genji is like b tier CATJAM

weak bolt
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Depends if Philly have faith or just go full carpe all the time

tight axle
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pretty much yeah

tawdry hamlet
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Very possibly

tight axle
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all the staff and everyone

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and then the team is prob being sold

sullen berry
tight axle
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and then theyre going ot china

sullen berry
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
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alright sure but

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have you even thought about the one australian currently playing in chinese contenders?

vagrant jacinth
tawdry hamlet
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I like agilities too he's fun to watch

weak bolt
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Pray for a double OT meta and maybe Boston sign him to go with Punk ๐Ÿ˜„

sullen berry
tawdry hamlet
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Nicogdh myman

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I need him in a team !

vagrant jacinth
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Nico! Was hoping he'd get signed too

tawdry hamlet
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My left handed dps god ๐Ÿ™

earnest leaf
silk frost
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hol tf up

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in 3 weeks we're gonna look back at this like "wtf happened here" either way

hexed kestrel
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hello

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london new team looking kinda good

quartz summit
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I canโ€™t be bothered to scroll through the channel, and Iโ€™m a Valiant fan, so whatโ€™s the deal with them?

mortal abyss
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Basically halo leaked that immortals gaming club (company that owns valiant) had sold the valiant to some Chinese company and weโ€™re gonna dump all their players when the season signing thing opened,valiant social media then debunked it, but after that Halo double downed on it, and tweets from all the valiant players make it seem like the rumour is true

quartz summit
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So itโ€™s a 50/50 rn?

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I doubt that it would happen, Immortals probably wouldnโ€™t sell their OWL spot

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But idk

mortal abyss
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More like 70/30 that itโ€™s happening

quartz summit
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Fuck

mortal abyss
quartz summit
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I cba

mortal abyss
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Itโ€™s kinda scummy by the valiant

quartz summit
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It is

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I really enjoyed watching them and then they go do this shit

mortal abyss
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mhm

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Donโ€™t hate the players hate the org

quartz summit
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Yeah

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I still remember that great S1 team

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Space, Fate, Kariv, Custa, Agilities and Soon

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Such an underrated team

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Imo, with our current coaches + Moon we couldโ€™ve come close to a championship with that team

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Iโ€™ll probably get flamed for saying that

plush grail
plush light
next mesa
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Honestly I think the chances that valiant are sold are like 95% there's no other reason why they would go to APAC

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Prob a rebrand too but next year?

karmic grotto
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They should. Organisation is not active anymore in LA

mortal abyss
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Yeah the rebrand will probably go through next year i don't theink they'll be allowed to rebrand for this year

feral zodiac
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Ksp will 100% get picked up by another team

plush light
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Ksp is a god

plush grail
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but couldn't decide the name

mortal abyss
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Well that's their fault for not trying to buy a lot normally rather then getting an old slot

plush grail
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well im pretty sure the la valiant investors wanted out

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so like if a org wanted out

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and a different org is interested

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why not just let them take over the spot

next mesa
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I dont know if they are ALLOWED to rebrand rn doe

next mesa
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(this year)

tight hill
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Didnโ€™t they rebrand last year with the color change and stuff or do I not know how business works?

plush grail
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not a rebrand

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thats just changing colors

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rebrand would be a entirely new logo

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new identity

tight hill
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Ok

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Not super sharp

plush grail
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like a new logo, new name, new colors, maybe new managament

tight hill
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Ok

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Also is there enough Chinese talent to build a decent valiant team

vagrant jacinth
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I liked the old colours

noble nexus
vagrant jacinth
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New ones pretty good though so

tight hill
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Lmao

vagrant jacinth
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Lmao I saw this

noble nexus
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atleast the memes are funny

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Adam getting cucked out of a well earned league spot isn't funny tho..

plush grail
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idk man if la valiant roster gets dropped

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a team like the titans might legit just get most of them

tight hill
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More NA power creep CrunchTime

plush grail
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NA didn't get too stronger tho

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maybe a little weaker

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with valiant possibly gone

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and fusion to apac

feral zodiac
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Justice glads and dallas all heavily upgraded though

plush grail
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just some shuffling

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i dont recall alot of apac players coming to na

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or im just dumb

tight hill
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I dunno my logic is valiant has a lot of solid starting players that can balance the weaker teams in NA because there are no na or mixed rosters besides fusion in apac

plush grail
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i doubt a lot of them are getting picked up

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i forgot that the bottom teams are bottom teams for a reason

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they're low budget

tight hill
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Maybe late on the game

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The top rosters are kinda worked out

limber pine
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Halo is going to be a god if this is true

tight hill
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Get these players at discount late in the signing period

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Except KSP

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Going to the shock lmao

plush grail
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his street cred

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blows up

limber pine
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it makes some sense

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but at the same time, it's so out in left field that it's shocking

plush grail
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like if valiant didnt make any roster changes before all this

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it would make sense

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but they still dropped people

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and picked up new ones

vagrant jacinth
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Absolutely huge if true

tight hill
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Apparently the Chinese market is potent

mortal abyss
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Seeing how viewership in China skyrocketed its definetly believable that a Chinese org wants to buy a slot

next mesa
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mmonk superich support line

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top 5

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support line

tight hill
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Lord

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New Chinese team before Chicago

tight axle
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Ngl. I don't think there's a huge esports following in Chicago. Or if there is I haven't seen it

next mesa
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new chinese team makes so much more sense lol

tight hill
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I agree bu merica can dream HighNoon

raw ermine
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NRG has a chicago COD team

tight hill
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Honestly I donโ€™t care about Chinese teams but I guess it matters to people in China

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And however billion eyeballs there are there

plush grail
tight hill
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Yeah

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Wow

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Imagine playing that game pro, the combat is so jurasticly different throughout the games

next mesa
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wow so you only care about western teams

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I dont get how people would do that

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personally im here for high quality overwatch gameplay KaplanThink so if china is going to offer it

plush grail
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like 60% of the league is american

raw ermine
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we need a busan team

plush grail
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yeah

tight hill
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Iโ€™m in the south and we donโ€™t have a team yet ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

plush grail
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south korean players make up like 50% of the league

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BRO

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your country

tight hill
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I get the market is it there but still I can dream

plush grail
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has enough teams

tight hill
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Are you not American

plush grail
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we need at least like 6 to 10 non american teams

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before we add another american one

tight hill
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Thereโ€™s more market here

plush grail
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not enough market to keep the valiant there OMEGALAUGHING

tight hill
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I donโ€™t really care I just want a team in the south

plush grail
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that's so boring man

tight hill
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Besides Atlanta that city doesnโ€™t really count

plush grail
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imagine wanting ANOTHER american team

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instead of something interesting like busan, or a german team

digital cloud
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There is also Houston and Dallas

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and Florida

tight hill
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True

digital cloud
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unless those also do not count

plush grail
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america has fuckin

tight hill
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Those are more midwestern

digital cloud
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Texas is the south

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wtf you on

plush grail
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atlanta, boston, dallas, florida, glads, valiant, houston, phily, shock and washington

digital cloud
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and Florida definitely is

next mesa
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who gives a flying fuck

tight hill
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Exactly

next mesa
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which team is where

plush grail
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shut up lunatic hai fanboy

next mesa
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you know what I want

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diya in the league

digital cloud
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no one cares

next mesa
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yes we need so many more asia teams

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Considering 80% of the fanbase is literally asia

plush grail
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i dont care where teams are but i just dont want ANOTHER american team, we need some other interesting countries

next mesa
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disproportionate

digital cloud
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We need a fucking south american or african team

next mesa
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you know what we need

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a league that doesnt require buyout

plush grail
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americans legit malding because their exact hometown isn't represented

next mesa
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Every region has their own tier 1

digital cloud
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no buyout means no guarantee there is any real investment

plush grail
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what if they reduced the buy in massively

next mesa
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or that too

digital cloud
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shouldn't be 40 mil, but there needs to be a buyout

plush grail
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also smaller contracts

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offer 1 year contracts to teams

next mesa
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every region has their own t1, and every few months there is a big tournament where top 3/4 of each region plays

digital cloud
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and OWL needs to get fucking advertised

tight hill
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Man I just want a team that is marketed close to me Iโ€™m not fucking saying itโ€™s the best for the leauge

digital cloud
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no one fucking watches it

plush grail
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bro you have like 10 american teams to pick

next mesa
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the scene will develop so much more organically

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like ok for example valorant

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U dont need to pay 40 mill to participate in t1 tourney

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not like

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the same but u get my point

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the best teams get in

plush grail
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yeah thats what im saying

next mesa
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u get shit like

plush grail
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let teams buy in for short cheap contracts

next mesa
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team cc stuck in t2 for a year

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and boston being allowed to stay

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just because $$

plush grail
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owl needs like

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a buy in

digital cloud
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Boston still would fuck in contenders

plush grail
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and skill based spots

digital cloud
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and I say that as a boston hater

plush grail
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like give every contenders region champs a chance to get a owl team

digital cloud
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or a draft or something

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I think a draft would work

tight hill
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Robert Craft spending too much money on a little spa in Florida than on the Boston Uprising

digital cloud
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to be fair

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that spa might make money

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or win something

tight hill
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Draft whole be soooo cool

plush grail
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i'd prefer alot of smaller teams compared to a few big teams

digital cloud
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and probably doesn't have pedophiles in it

tight hill
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Google it Iโ€™m not getting into specifics

plush grail
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can't wait for more teams after corona

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the busan BITCHES

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finally become a thing

feral zodiac
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Where would you all rate danteh in terms of flex dps

digital cloud
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currently, unsure

plush grail
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ladder like a 9

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owl maybe a 6/7

digital cloud
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I would put him at an 8 or a 9 in owl

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he managed to look good on Houston

plush grail
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yeah but still it's a team based game

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and his team lost badly

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they lost to boston

digital cloud
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yeah, and since it is team based

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he can't carry solo

next mesa
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If the rumors are true

feral zodiac
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how would you rate myungbong as a flex support then?

next mesa
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Ttuba will totally pass him

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Myungbong I dont know I think his ana is top 3 but otherwise

plush grail
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werent there rumors that ttuba just outplayed rascal and libero in tryouts

feral zodiac
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Ttuba popped hard in tryouts

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Really hard

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So in terms of rating him, would you consider danteh the best western flex dps?

plush grail
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that's such a specific title lmao

next mesa
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whats the competition

#

KSF?

#

ohhh

#

Nero

feral zodiac
#

Nero

next mesa
#

Idk probably nero

digital cloud
#

isn't kevster flex?

next mesa
#

I think he has a higher ceiling

feral zodiac
#

Yes

next mesa
#

oh SHITTT

#

yeah

feral zodiac
#

Kevster as well

next mesa
#

Kevster is like

#

western profit

#

idk

#

how to describe

#

its like my best comparaison

#

Then i'd take kevster

#

for suree

#

he kinda outplayed yaki on tracer im not gonna lie

digital cloud
#

not on lan, tbf

plush grail
#

are y'all ready for sbb to become the #1 tracer again

balmy wolf
#

kevster top5 dps

feral zodiac
#

Any news on how sbb has done on seoul so far?

plush grail
#

he farted on marve1

next mesa
#

I mean

#

just that act alone

#

Sbb was worth it

feral zodiac
#

Wat

next mesa
#

๐Ÿ—ฟ

#

yeah he did

#

He went to the practice facility

#

farted on marve1 to like

#

"become good friends fast"

feral zodiac
#

Wtf

next mesa
#

That's just Leader husbando SBB

#

๐Ÿ˜

feral zodiac
#

Sbb

#

More like glorified coach

plush grail
#

oh no another person who thinks sbb is bad

#

oh no he's stupid

feral zodiac
#

Wat

#

Can u read

plush grail
#

why you calling my man a glorified coach

feral zodiac
#

Because he is literally motivation for entire team

#

Coach = leader

#

Sbb = leader

plush grail
#

he's still a top tracer, not just motivation

feral zodiac
#

Where did I say he wasn't

#

???

plush grail
#

i dont know but glorified coach doesn't sound positive

feral zodiac
#

Alright

#

Player coach

#

Is that better

plush grail
#

kinda like he's just there to coach in game instead of play well

feral zodiac
#

Like what they do in football sometimes

next mesa
#

idk

balmy wolf
#

he wants to hear team leader

next mesa
#

his tracer is top tier

#

but

#

not better than #2 profit doe

feral zodiac
#

His ashe was bad

limber pine
#

I don't think you know what "glorified" means

next mesa
#

No his ashe was decent

limber pine
#

in that context

next mesa
#

better than nenne

feral zodiac
#

Nenne

#

Pepehands

next mesa
#

yes glorified kinda ugly

feral zodiac
#

Hm

next mesa
#

Profit ashe still better doe?? so like

feral zodiac
#

I think he is there to keep the motivation going

#

How can u play bad when sbb is standing next to u

limber pine
#

wut

feral zodiac
#

Look behind u and sbb is standing there

#

Wyd

plush grail
#

pants down

feral zodiac
#

LOL

next mesa
#

is he still married

#

I dont know like

digital cloud
#

why does that matter

next mesa
#

he doesnt carry pic on keyboard anymore

#

because grike when u are married motivation 100

digital cloud
#

well you know, love does tend to mellow out over time

#

you aren't always gonna be young and in love

plush grail
#

probably because he's with his wife in korea

digital cloud
#

also that makes sense

plush grail
#

and he doesn't need a picture when he can go see her after the game?

#

idk im assumed the pic was just a way to see here while he's overseas

worn falcon
#

her pic was like a lucky thing

silk frost
#

Is anything happening today

limber pine
#

just a lot of Valiant China memes

worn falcon
#

yeh, gotta wait till shd tournie

#

at least i this dry week

next mesa
#

cant wait for seoul to either win the whole thing or get swept first round

#

๐Ÿ—ฟ

tight hill
#

Whatโ€™s more likely Vancouver in the playoffs or Seoul looses in a mid-round game

hot crown
#

if you drafted me

#

DM

next mesa
#

Seoul is the most inconsistent team in the league and also vancouver is dogshit

sullen berry
#

and yet

#

Seoul still continues to be hyped as the mecca of esports

tight hill
#

Seoul might be more consistent this year but Iโ€™m not sure how good theyโ€™ll be

next mesa
#

hard to say

#

its between title contenders or barely making the playoffs ๐Ÿ˜„

tight hill
#

If you get gesture off of main tank, I think it gets rid of a lot inconsistency

#

But gesture has some massive peaks tho

tight axle
#

I think they should just try to develop gesture and try to fix his inconsitency, unless you have a really high stakes game that they have a low chance of winning, then they put him in

next mesa
#

no

#

u know what would be a better solution

#

bench gesture unless playoffs/tourneys

#

play marve1

plush grail
#

current vancouver titans

#

is fully made up of the below averge teams

#

from the below average teams

worn falcon
#

the roast is beautiful

digital cloud
#

that deserves a fucking medal

#

who tf came up with that

balmy wolf
#

damn they did super dirty with that lol

next mesa
#

they did the other 5 just so they could put that joke

#

mad respect

#

nero kinda look like that guy from cloudy with a chance of meatballs

#

nvm I think im trippin

digital cloud
#

yeah, nero does bear a remarkable resemblance to Officer Earl

raw ermine
#

Ahahahhahahahaghagagagga holyyyy fuck super lmaooooo

feral zodiac
#

Does nero have a lazy eye?

silk frost
#

Taiyo looks scared lmao

#

cool

primal minnow
#

Isnโ€™t that taiyo

silk frost
#

yeah that's what I said

primal minnow
#

Definitely

tawdry hamlet
#

Oop

vagrant jacinth
#

Seoul are chaotic

hot crown
#

ugh ok cool

#

now draft me

#

DM when I get drafted

silk frost
#

only ! should be drafted tbh

hot crown
#

sure why not

#

draft me to the dragons

#

or charge

#

so I can speak my native language

solar bison
#

Korean?

plush grail
#

super ugly haha

frail badge
#

Supers forehead is so big

vagrant jacinth
#

Biggest pain would be

#

Val rumours being true

#

And Diya still not getting picked up

next mesa
#

if he doesnt

#

its like

#

next level 0iq

silk frost
#

if they do that

#

I end my life

hot crown
#

oh wait what?

#

oh nvm

#

I thought I can speak deh chinese

#

I AM "!" NOW DRAFT ME

silk frost
#

HOLY SHIT IS THAT THE !

tawdry hamlet
#

Honestly tho, I can't name like any other contenders china players besides the australian guy and like innovation and Diya

#

I watched a bit of the games but the names are just sliding right out of my head besides cc

trail perch
#

superrich

#

1987

#

gaga

tawdry hamlet
#

Well yeah I mean non owl picked up

hot crown
#

i am the almight lucio main

#

almighty*

silk frost
#

too good

#

superich

#

showcheng

hot crown
#

Pp

next mesa
#

Mmonk

#

Apr1ta

#

The ones that beat team cc

hot crown
#

no

silk frost
#

apr1ta is fucking nuts dude

hot crown
#

i am

next mesa
#

Apr1ta innovation diya

sullen berry
#

that's a feat if you can get every blizzard produced IP on your resume

vagrant jacinth
#

Valiant drama still going lmao

trail perch
#

Everyone basically believes halo

feral zodiac
#

He is dead if he's wrong

vagrant jacinth
#

Saw a post about some Chinese caster saying the same rumours as halo

#

Can only sit and watch lmao

digital cloud
#

if halo was right, then la literally straight up lied

#

not that it will matter when the org dumps them I guess, but that would look bad

feral zodiac
#

I don't think immortals would care

digital cloud
#

probably not, but I would think that would be avoided

feral zodiac
#

Aboided

#

:)

digital cloud
#

I fixed it, shut up

#

don't be a Levy

feral zodiac
#

Do I look muted to you

digital cloud
#

he isn't muted anymore

#

look at the recent messages

vagrant jacinth
#

Tbf I don't think val would be allowed to confirm it

digital cloud
#

they could say nothing

#

people already don't trust halo that much

feral zodiac
#

How clear do I need the joke to be :/

vagrant jacinth
#

That's also tru

digital cloud
#

I know it is a joke

next mesa
#

hey no cyberbullying

digital cloud
#

well, people here seem to trust halo a lot for some reason

next mesa
#

idk the fact that he doubled down

digital cloud
#

this coming from the guy that routinely tells people here to fuck off

next mesa
#

yes

#

When unwanted content is in the channel

#

most of the time I look like a dumbass though because the mods deletes the message

digital cloud
#

take your beatings like Houston

#

or maybe Boston, idk

next mesa
#

๐Ÿ˜” okay dad

digital cloud
#

I'll be back soon, just need to grab the cigarettes, got the milk already

next mesa
#

no please

#

dont leave me again

#

its been 15 years

#

are you not going to stay for dinner ๐Ÿฅบ

digital cloud
#

I can't fulfill the stereotype if I don't get the cigarettes, my pride won't allow it

#

maybe in the next 15 years, sport

#

anyway, halo doubling down is a bit weird

next mesa
#

RIGHT

#

that means he's like

#

totally sure

#

so thats why I trust him

digital cloud
#

but I do tend to take literal denials by the representatives of the companies at face value

#

plus halo is wrong pretty often

#

he is right only like 60-65% of the time

#

and that is being generous

trail perch
#

I think that if they admitted it now, it would make them look like a worse org

#

they are prob trying to find a way to release the info better

cedar oasis
#

They r gonna be like

#

We didnt get bought by a Chinese company when we got accused of it

#

But we did get bought out later

#

So technically we didnt lie

next mesa
#

idk

#

this off season halo was right

#

on most things

#

he got like a few things wrong right

#

like apply

#

valentine and faith?

willow kayak
#

Is there any information about the Overwatch community tournament on this discord?

next mesa
willow kayak
#

@next mesa yea I looked and I didn't see it there...

cedar oasis
#

Anyone know what libero is doing?

#

He is joining a team right

#

Right?

silk frost
#

...right?

#

like... like the justice

next mesa
#

RIGHT

trail perch
#

Not justice prob

#

apparently ttuba is popping

silk frost
#

doubt it

cedar oasis
#

Toronto maybe

plush grail
#

he could go there

#

toronto only has 2 dps

#

2 hitscans

#

wait no nvm they still have na1st on the bench waiting till he becomes 18

#

he's projectile

grave sail
#

ttuba is nuts

cedar oasis
#

Not as good as libero tho

mortal abyss
#

Rumours say that ttuba was popping in scrims but it would still make more sense to get libero

#

Unless they have no money

cedar oasis
#

Washington probably broke now

gilded dagger
silk frost
#

FAITH

plush light
#

Sanguinar is to expensive for uprising lol

#

Is halo of thoughts on this discord?

earnest leaf
#

probably not

raw ermine
#

I saw him on the toronto discord

vagrant jacinth
#

Sanguinar would be great pick up

next mesa
#

Faith idk

#

If they signed him

#

Wait who's their ms now

#

They don't have one right

vagrant jacinth
#

Nope

#

Still no ms

trail perch
#

i mean they could resign the best main support in ow

#

Halo

mortal abyss
plush grail
#

man imagine the shitshow if he started talking actively

#

just constantly being harassed by people for leaks

mortal abyss
#

He only talks when people are talking about him

plush grail
#

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โ–ถ Play video
#

jjonak calling people unknowns

#

and his new roster

#

litterly who's

cedar oasis
#

mostly veterens

vagrant jacinth
#

What if nyxl shit on everyone

#

A lot of malding and I'd be right there with em

silk frost
#

well then they'd finally have a good coach

vivid dawn
#

Didnโ€™t sanguinar have a contract with London for 2021

silk frost
#

I don't think so

hot crown
#

Hey

silk frost
#

hey my king

mortal abyss
plush light
next mesa
#

shock has a hitscan problem im not gonna lie

#

without ans-

trail perch
#

glister

#

striker

next mesa
#

not top tier

trail perch
#

I mean as plat chat said

next mesa
#

yeah what did they say

#

I didnt listen

#

to that episode

trail perch
#

Glister is the closest person to profit

#

Nah this was last year

#

and profit is daddy

next mesa
#

idk I think maybe fleta

#

or kevster

trail perch
#

I mean fleta genji wasnt that good

#

Like low top tier

#

and kevster last year just like wasnt it

next mesa
#

well

#

he was on like

#

200 ping

#

valiant ball I mean

#

he was cracked

#

better than yaki

silk frost
#

Kevster last year was okay imo

tawdry hamlet
#

yeah but wasn't yaki on 200 ping too

#

so it evened out to the same thing lmao

#

isn't that why florida lost

#

Valiant must think we are dumb or something tho if they expect us to believe one of the few rosters in the league that isn't majority Korean is going apac just because and not because of an ownership change or something lmao

#

that would be like if Vancouver just said "hey we didn't sell but we are moving to the apac region because it is easier for teru" lmao

balmy wolf
#

welp if the ownership does change then it was a good run from LA

#

never reached the peaks of their s1 roster, but they had some good players throughout their history

hot heart
#

So from what I've seen they're not dropping all their players

#

They aren't going full Chinese

#

They could keep dreamerr and or lastro and drop everyone else

next mesa
#

why would they do that though

true hound
#

dropping KSP would be a crime

sullen berry
#

Losing AVALLA would be a travesty

silk frost
#

NOOOOO AVALA

next mesa
#

Avalla overworking herself being in charge of literally fucking everything social media trials gm

worn falcon
#

Avalla doing God's work

hot heart
#

I'd love if avalla went to dallas and was gm there

#

Would be so nice to see

hidden vault
#

well

#

that would be one reason to love dallas again

astral epoch
#

How do you get league tokens I watched a few hours yesterday of overwatch league but in my game I didnโ€™t get any tokens

plush grail
#

you can't get tokens rn

#

only when they're live

#

we're in the off-season rn

#

so no live games till april

high basalt
#

Is libero signed yet

plush grail
#

i signed him to my t5 team

#

the new york pizza parlor

trail perch
#

@next mesa

#

Im sorry

#

its time for J*hong

raw ermine
#

the original got deleted so I think this is what you're looking for

next mesa
#

Danke

weak bolt
#

Isn't this the 2nd or 3rd time Jehong has got drunk on stream and said/done stupid stuff?

raw ermine
#

yeah

next mesa
#

๐Ÿ˜”

#

Cheated on gf

#

Unacceptable

#

Time to unstan

cedar oasis
#

Oh no

#

Jehong

wanton birch
#

can someone give a full explanation of what happened ??

cedar oasis
#

He got drunk on stream and said some bad things

next mesa
#

Being sexist

plush grail
#

levy in shambles

#

what will he do

worn falcon
#

Jehong drunk

#

No more ryujehongsexy

plush grail
#

ryujehongsexist

worn falcon
#

Is bad idea to stream when you drunk

plush grail
#

this is why you should stan someone like moth

#

im pretty sure my man moth cant even talk

worn falcon
#

I stan super

plush grail
#

he's too much of a beta to do anything bad

#

good choice

silk frost
#

Stan. DIYA.

worn falcon
#

No, stan lastro

silk frost
#

Dick

#

Sex big

trail perch
#

Stan Crimzo

#

Stan Fielder

#

Stan SMS

worn falcon
#

Stan libero

#

Sadge

trail perch
#

Stan players with actual teams

next mesa
#

Yes I stan diya now

plush grail
#

stan paintbrush

next mesa
#

Pogchamp

plush grail
#

paintbrush > crimzo

worn falcon
#

Imagine Diya getting a team

trail perch
#

/ban @plush grail

plush grail
#

paintbrush is a decent player

trail perch
#

Crimzo is king

plush grail
#

but i feel like if he gets resources

worn falcon
#

Diya gonna be in contenders jail till someone hires him

plush grail
#

he could be very marketable

worn falcon
#

Or retire

trail perch
#

Stan Innovation lol

#

Wasnt he on Meta Bellum

#

?

worn falcon
#

Stan Bumper

plush grail
#

stan undead

trail perch
#

Stan Altering

worn falcon
#

Stan freefeel

trail perch
#

Stan Xushu

#

Stan sky

#

Stan Roshan

next mesa
trail perch
#

Stan Ado

next mesa
#

If he doesn't get in owl

plush grail
#

stan dreamkazper

next mesa
#

Valiant

#

DO IT

#

SIGN DIYA

worn falcon
trail perch
#

lets not be doing that

next mesa
#

DONT BE A BITCH

trail perch
#

Stan Mouffin

worn falcon
#

Stan Aero

plush grail
#

stan sbb

#

fuck your fav player

#

stan sbb

#

he deserves it more

worn falcon
#

SBB benched

#

At least they gonna have some morale

plush grail
#

sbb

#

gonna bench profit

worn falcon
plush grail
#

dont make me cry

silk frost
#

Oh no I didnt scroll down dont make me cry

worn falcon
#

@plush grail Saebyeolbe: When I first came to Seoul Dynasty I was rather surprised by why they would have wanted me. FITS and Profit are both really, really skilled DPS players, so I was like โ€œWhy would they want me?โ€ but now Iโ€™m here [laughs]. I am still focusing on Tracer but Iโ€™ll be practicing other DPS heroes as well so I can prepare for next season. I donโ€™t have a particular one hero, Iโ€™m just doing all of them.

#

Benched

plush grail
#

do not

#

spread lies

worn falcon
#

Saebyeolbe: In 2019 I did have those times where I really lost motivation because I was on the bench, but what was hurting me more was that for more than six months I couldnโ€™t participate in a single scrim or a single practice match. That was a huge part that made me lose my motivation. For the last season, I wasnโ€™t really depressed or anything, I had a different mindset. I donโ€™t plan to be depressed or less motivated on Seoul Dynasty, even if Iโ€™m not a starting member. If I do not become a starting member, Iโ€™m still on the same team and we are teammates. I should think of other ways to help the team and try to reach the common goal of winning the championship with my teammates.@plush grail

#

Double benched

plush grail
#

but 2019 was goats

worn falcon
#

Yes

plush grail
#

ofcourse a tracer specialist gets benched

worn falcon
#

And he couldn't play Brig

#

Got slapped so hard in that map

plush grail
#

SHUT UP

worn falcon
#

Then last year he couldn't shine as Tracer unlike Striker

#

Sadge

plush grail
#

can you stop

#

spreading lies

feral zodiac
#

???

worn falcon
#

Listen i am a SBB stan but you gotta get the facts

#

I even have the NYXL tracer skin

#

Also London Tracer skin when profit was here

#

Bruh, now i need a Seoul Tracer

trail perch
#

wb a justice tracer skin

#

For decay

#

or a shock tracer skin

#

you know what sounds scary

plush grail
#

decay washed

trail perch
#

Lol

#

ur funny af

#

Imagine profit echo sbb tracer

#

profit echos traver

#

tracer

#

Profit sbb double tracer dive

next mesa
#

Uh

#

Profit echo sucks

#

He might get good off season doe

trail perch
#

I just want to see profit sbb double tracer lol

cedar oasis
#

The real question is

#

Does Seoul have good coaching this year

raw ermine
#

they lost the typical genius and 3 year GM

#

and promoted a data analyst

#

so they didn't gain any coaches

next mesa
#

Probably not

gilded dagger
#

Boston didnโ€™t actually sign SanGuiNar but, O2 Blast did

#

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294

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And although

next mesa
#

not bad

trail perch
#

02 blast finna win contendies next season

#

Or maybe T1

next mesa
#

maybe

#

runaway

trail perch
#

Also why did they change their names from 02 ardeaont?

#

Or 02 Team

raw ermine
#

cause they merged with other teams a bunch of times

karmic grotto
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merge merge merge

plush light
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Wtf sanguinar deserves owl

next mesa
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guys tobi still dont got a team yet

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oops

trail perch
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I liked zYKK

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His sombra wasnt bad

earnest leaf
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One guy on r/cow in shambles

mortal abyss
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independentfeeling22

next mesa
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atlanta bottom tier next season boys

tight hill
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Love super one of the few owl personalities

next mesa
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a lot of the korean guys are so fricking funny

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just language barrier

trail perch
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I love Sbb

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and rascal

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and Haksal

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And Jjonak

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And carpe

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and Eqo

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There are so many personalities in owl

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Like Leejaegon and Mag

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Bullying Mirage

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Or bullying ANS

silk frost
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Sex

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Big dick

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big dick

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argh