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next mesa
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if we farming valiant

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bet

cloud latch
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what about double hitscan metas?

gloomy vector
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like i mean i see ttuba being a main stay while decay and jerry switch

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if we have a double hitscan meta

tight hill
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Profit SBB in playoffs tho

next mesa
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I still think ttuba will be the tracer player

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let decay stay on ashe widow

hot onyx
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Honestly profit did better on ashe than sbb this season

next mesa
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yes

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profit ashe is top tier man seexy as hell

tight hill
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And fits

worn falcon
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remember ths time is ashe nerfed

hot onyx
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So put fits on widow and profit on ashe in double hitscan

feral zodiac
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Fits cranked it up to 100 for playoffs

tight hill
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He does that

gloomy vector
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yeah thats what im saying like ttuba will be a main stay while jerry and decay will be alts for each other

feral zodiac
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Outside of that he was hella inconsistent

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But so was all of seoul

tight hill
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And then goes back to 2 after

next mesa
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wtf

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fits and marve1 okay

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was the most consistent player

tight hill
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Tobi?

next mesa
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its gesture and profit

feral zodiac
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Fits wasn't that consistent?

noble nexus
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they didn't play an offtank

tight hill
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Fits was more consistent than people give him credit for

feral zodiac
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Compare fits in playoffs to fits during the rest of the season and tell me he was consistent

gloomy vector
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also has anyone been announced for bostons support because i dont think they have 1 yet

next mesa
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Fits was one of the few

gloomy vector
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i could be wrong'

noble nexus
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I'm not sure inconsistency was the only reason they did shit all season

next mesa
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he just turned it up what can I say

tight hill
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Souel kinda had overrated players

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How manny time do we hear: gesture gonna clap on Winston

next mesa
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literally 0 time

gloomy vector
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i dont think souels lineup is overrated they have good players

vagrant jacinth
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^

next mesa
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I have not heard anyone praise gesture winston

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fits is actually underrated ude

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dude*

gloomy vector
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LUL hari

vagrant jacinth
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They're genuinely good though

gloomy vector
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no the profit stan account part

vagrant jacinth
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I agree, fits underrated

tight hill
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Big question is creative and Toyou this season

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Toyou pretty good last season tho

vagrant jacinth
gloomy vector
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i really dont think anyone in OWL is underrated its more like players are overrated

worn falcon
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smh profit stans

gloomy vector
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like i understand they are good but theyre not gods

worn falcon
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anyways

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still no news on libero

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sadge

tight hill
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So much talent from contenders

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Hard to see who’s good anymore

feral zodiac
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More so it's hard to see who is bad anymore

gloomy vector
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oh and my statement earlier was wrong everyone will have the same latency not ping i miss understood

next mesa
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mer1t not signed

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but linkzr is on a team

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Weirdchamp

feral zodiac
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Right now I see most teams standing a good chance of beating each other

gloomy vector
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thats what the guy said in the video today

feral zodiac
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Other than titans

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I'm 99% sure titans will finish bottom

gloomy vector
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i cant see titans winning more than 5 matches

worn falcon
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uprising soon

gloomy vector
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like the line up isnt good

worn falcon
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maybe improvement

feral zodiac
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Uprising have made improvements

next mesa
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uprising

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did they sign faith and valentine?

feral zodiac
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Their tank line is actually flexible for once

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Main tank*

gloomy vector
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im really just wanting good matches

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specifically out of outlaws

hot onyx
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Unless boston plan on putting fusions as main support they do better than titans

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Hell they might be competitive against paris and london

gloomy vector
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yeahi feel like this will most likely be the worst year competitively like the matches are gonna be boring

next mesa
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boston is definitely above paris and london

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right now

silk frost
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Valiant in apac

hot onyx
gloomy vector
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yeah thats gonna be rough for them

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no like the teams look so bad

vagrant jacinth
gloomy vector
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im not expecting much from them

vagrant jacinth
noble nexus
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immortals sold valiant

silk frost
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OKAY UM

hot onyx
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There is a leap from the bottom of the ladder to the top

silk frost
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DIYA TO THE VALIANT

true hound
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yes

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yes

silk frost
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DIYA TO THE FUCKING VALIANT?!

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AND SUPERICH

hot onyx
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But that doesn’t mean this year is the worst

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Dude that would be kinda epic ngl

silk frost
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DIYA SUPERICH SPECTRA TO THE VALIANT

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2022 THE BEST YEAR IN HUMAN HISTORY

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MAKE IT HAPPEN LA

hot onyx
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Krystal

silk frost
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let's forget you said that

next mesa
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OKAY OKAY OKAY OKAY OKAY OKAY

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YES

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DIYA TO VALIANT

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GO GO GO GO GO

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GET THIS MAN TO OWL

silk frost
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AND SUPERICH

next mesa
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I BELIEVE

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YES

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I FUCKING BELIEVE BABY

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IMMORTALS COMING IN CLUTCH

gloomy vector
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idk thats just how i see it and if the matches are good then it will be more enjoyable since i wasnt expecting much in the first place

vagrant jacinth
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RETURN OF THE KING

next mesa
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YES

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LET'S GOOOOOO

vagrant jacinth
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POG

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DIYAAAA

silk frost
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COME ON MAKE IT HAPPEN DADDY

vagrant jacinth
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COME BACK TO US

hot onyx
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Lads it’s just rumours

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Not confirmed

silk frost
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don't care am happy

vagrant jacinth
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No no, if we scream and shout enough it'll happen

next mesa
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it makes sense

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why else would they be in apac

silk frost
next mesa
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relase everyone

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fuck it

gloomy vector
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yeah thats why i dont like rumors it just gets hopes up thn it might not happen

next mesa
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DO IT DIYA

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DO IT

hot onyx
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For all we know they could be picking up fiveking from season 1 dragons

gloomy vector
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oh if its true then hype

next mesa
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I BELIEVE

silk frost
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COME ON

noble nexus
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idk why you're happy about Diya going to a team that we established is going to get rolled

next mesa
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no

noble nexus
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unless the new owners are rich

next mesa
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they are not gonna ge trolled

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if diya is coming

silk frost
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I mean they'll be better than NYXL because coaching diff

next mesa
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diya is king

vagrant jacinth
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Diya to Val? Instant top 3

silk frost
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dude shock can't touch tat

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that

gloomy vector
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im excited for good matches

next mesa
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just imagine

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innovation superich diya to valiant

gloomy vector
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i dont care who gets rolled

next mesa
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fuck it

vagrant jacinth
next mesa
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drop shax and ksp

silk frost
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Valiant should be better than NYXL at least and maybe Seoul because of the coaching diff but idk

vagrant jacinth
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They might as well hand over the trophy now tbh

silk frost
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none can stop the overwhelming force of the chinese gods

next mesa
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support line

silk frost
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lastro and superich

next mesa
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apr1ta and mmonk

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oops

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mmonk*

vagrant jacinth
silk frost
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oh my god dude

earnest leaf
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Shax and ksp were the bright spots on valiant though

next mesa
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mmonk and superich

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what would be tanks tho

silk frost
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mmonk superich lastro diya innovation shax dreamer adam

next mesa
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mek0 and bumper PogChimp

gloomy vector
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i would love to see like one super team from each region so we only get the best steam rolls

hot onyx
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Better than meko idea

next mesa
hot onyx
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Gbs and bumper

silk frost
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dreamer and jjanu

wanton birch
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whos gonna scoop up ksp?

silk frost
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dreamer zijin jjanu

vagrant jacinth
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London

silk frost
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I am so fucking EXCITED

hot onyx
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London already have hybrid and sparkr for hitscan

next mesa
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its happening boys

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Titans

silk frost
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ksp to vancouver

next mesa
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yes

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ksp to replace linkzr

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pogU

silk frost
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ok that team would be solid tho

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not good

hot onyx
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KSP doesn’t deserve such an end to his career

silk frost
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but could win a match within the season

true osprey
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Is the travelling to Hawaii thing only for the top 2 teams from each reigon or for every team that makes the tournament?

next mesa
silk frost
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fine then ksp to atlanta

wanton birch
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wait if valentine falls through ksp to boston

next mesa
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isnt valentine flex

true osprey
wanton birch
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shit

silk frost
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valentine is flex

vagrant jacinth
gloomy vector
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imagine waking up to an email to say youre getting traded to the titans i would laugh so hard

silk frost
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I mean valentine + diya + innovation would be a SICK dps line

true osprey
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Also have they made it so there's no regular season matches and every team plays baseline 16 games?

gloomy vector
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oh they announced how it works today

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there is a video

silk frost
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I like how they're like "yeah we're doing a new format where you play 4 groups of matches and have a tournament at the end of each one"

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like bitch this is season 1

next mesa
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mmm

true osprey
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Saying 'stage' doesn't sound as hype as 'tournament'

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like

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telling someone that th OWL tournament finals are on sounds way cooler then stage finals

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thats my 2 cents

next mesa
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fuck man

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If only valiant did this earlier

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they could've signed the entire team cc

silk frost
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dude that team

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CC but replace spectra with pelican

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so you have gaga, lige, pelican, diya, innovation, superich, 1987

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that team would be top 5

next mesa
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lowkey lowkey

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I can see it

vagrant jacinth
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That's such a spicy team

gloomy vector
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i wonder whats the first few metas gonna be in OWL thats more what im excited for

vagrant jacinth
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My god

silk frost
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either ball sig or rein dva

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then by the end of the year it'll be some dumb ass shit like zarya dva

gloomy vector
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well we still have a few months to change

silk frost
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don't quote me on that

cloud latch
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when is owl?

silk frost
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april

gloomy vector
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zarya diva sounds fun tho

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even tho sig is my favorite tanl

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tank

silk frost
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dude if zarya dva becomes meta you know neither of them got buffed, it's only because ball has 300 health at that point

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and the other tanks are just as bad

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this is legitimate

noble nexus
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saw that

sullen berry
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yup, I can't see what they're trying to say

noble nexus
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even Dallas replied

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lul

sullen berry
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vancouver got the snot picked on by super alone

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gladiators missing the hometown rivalries

silk frost
next mesa
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😔

sullen berry
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alright that one is pretty good

silk frost
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dude

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this is getting out of hand

cloud latch
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even agilities???

silk frost
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Forget agilities, I'm worried for Dreamer and Rain

earnest leaf
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poor adam

sullen berry
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That's definitely has to be chaos to make up for Vancouver going all western

earnest leaf
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got into owl then got the boot

sullen berry
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Now Valiant? Going full Korean?

silk frost
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chinese probably

weak bolt
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Full Chinese

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I hope those new players signed on with big buyout clauses

sullen berry
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diya is still looking for his team to find a replacement, no?

earnest leaf
sullen berry
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Otherwise he's not up to be promoted to OWL still

silk frost
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tbh the roster can be diya, superich, lastro, dreamer, innovation, assassin

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OH THANK GOD

noble nexus
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yeahhh

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fakerino

sullen berry
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That leak was shot down pretty quick

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But that's a non-answer

silk frost
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sadge diya and superich don't get signed but

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wtf were his sources

weak bolt
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Is it bad I kinda believe halo?

sullen berry
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You should be concerned how it could be misinterpreted that they will have few of their players remaining

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Well there are people who believe in xQc that OW2 will be really good

next mesa
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FUCK

weak bolt
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Icg continuing to own doesn’t mean you don’t get big Chinese sponsors who make decisions

next mesa
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FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

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😩

sullen berry
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Yeah if anything, let's see where the rift will begin

next mesa
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ohh yeah okay

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makes sense

silk frost
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idk why they would move to apac if that was the case tbh

sullen berry
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Surely Agilities facing off against Kariv in the regular season more often means they are virtually inseparable

silk frost
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you right

weak bolt
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Especially as lav could well be trying to sell off those players atm

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Deny rumour, sell/trade players and avoid paying buyout clauses. Otherwise everyone knows you're dropping them, and you can pick them up even cheaper afterwards

silk frost
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idk what to believe anymore

weak bolt
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I dont get why LAV would move to APAC if IGC wanted to build their brand

true osprey
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Probably same reason Philly moved to APAC

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Also halo is never coming back from this ROFL

silk frost
earnest leaf
echo latch
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Philly going to Asia cause of their Korean majority roster

true osprey
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oh

true osprey
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actually

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4 western players 3 koreans

silk frost
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I AM SO FUCKING CONFUSED

true osprey
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same lol

next mesa
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I trust halo

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ngl

true osprey
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hmm

weak bolt
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Yeah I believe Halo on this one, he wouldn't commit to hard if he didn't have reliable info

silk frost
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i have no clue what the fuck is going on

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idk who to believe

next mesa
silk frost
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the walls are closing in

earnest leaf
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inb4 someone is memeing tf out of halo in the backround

next mesa
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I trust

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Halo is right

weak bolt
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Packing10 loves to troll, can't take his comments too seriously lol

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The LAV statement just doesn't make sense to me. Moving to Apac to build your brand, of a US gaming company? No comment on the players etc.

next mesa
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Halo is right

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trust

silk frost
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lmao shanghai

next mesa
sullen berry
# silk frost idk who to believe

You don't have to believe either. Halo might be reputable but so was his prediction that Third impact roster would be signed to Vancouver

next mesa
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did he double down though

sullen berry
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And that he would stop announcing further leaks for the Overwatch League

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People did cry without him

weak bolt
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Halo has been pretty accurate this year, I think he got like 3 predictions wrong out of like 30?

silk frost
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that's lower than his normal rate

earnest leaf
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tbf he's been right on single roster moves

silk frost
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normally he's like 95% accurate not 90

sullen berry
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So was leak Mafia, he would be included among these multiple sources

earnest leaf
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This is a large rumor

weak bolt
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Leak Mafia just spammed all sorts of stuff and hoped it stuck

sullen berry
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And 95 is still a lot worse than you might think

silk frost
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yeah fair but its a difference from 1 in 10 to 1 in 20

weak bolt
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It just makes no sense for LAV to move to Apac to build their brand

silk frost
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I have lost 10 years of my life from this FIASCO

weak bolt
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Wonder how many teams are reaching out to KSP right now

silk frost
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sfs: ay yo bro just sayin we'll drop viol2t for you, come on ksp you want us you cutie

true osprey
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dude

silk frost
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oh my god give us the gravy

weak bolt
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Mcgravy probably knows whats up, he has the juice

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Probably waiting to stream it 😄

true osprey
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halo just said "Yep
Wouldn't have doubled down otherwise
This isn't a Titans situation
I ain't trying to get out" on the r/cow discord

silk frost
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I have never been on twitter for so long in my life

weak bolt
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This could drag on for a good couple of weeks

next mesa
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exactly look

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"doubled down"

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he is 99% certain

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I trust him tbh

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he would get clowned on if he wasn't right

silk frost
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I need a fucking nap

weak bolt
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Which teams need a KSP then, that is the question

next mesa
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The whoel roster is getting dropped

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Titans

true osprey
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Adam thought he was getting a chance at OWL sadge

sullen berry
weak bolt
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London/NY went for Korean marketability from the start though

sullen berry
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I think the closeness between AB and Valiant is closer than most franchises to the game

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Listen this takes me back to season 2

weak bolt
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Would we put it beyond Shock signing KSP, wonder if he's impressed Crusty enough to consider

sullen berry
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When Agilities was such an icon on Chinese social media

worn falcon
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imagine not dropping current players and get better chinese players

silk frost
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this takes me back to season 1

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stage 2

sullen berry
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They put him above all others and the same star power came with GiG on weibo too

earnest leaf
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Having glister/striker/ksp might be a bit overkill

silk frost
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well glister is a flex dps

weak bolt
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And having Glister/Striker/ANS wasn't? 😄

earnest leaf
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Zero reason for glister to flex with nero and ta1yo on the team

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Glister most likely is gonna be like how ans was

silk frost
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you'd have KSP be your hitscan, nero be your projectile, taiyo be mostly hitscan with some proj, glister and striker half and half

earnest leaf
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Just roll with hitscans and maybe swap to some other hero for a map

weak bolt
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Honestly though, KSP to London

true osprey
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Yes

balmy wolf
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london has 2 hitscans

silk frost
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I don't see it, more likely to have him go to Paris depending on his price tag

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fuck it, ksp to atlanta

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babybay 2

weak bolt
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Sparkr can't play till June anyway,a nd KSP is way better than Hybrid

true osprey
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What other teams could use KSP?

silk frost
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the atlanta reign

balmy wolf
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atlanta has 2 hitscans aswell xD

worn falcon
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we have 3 months to see how the balance changes and stuff

silk frost
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drop sharp

sullen berry
silk frost
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give him to vancouver

next mesa
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wait

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ksp is actually not that bad of replacement

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for ans ngl

worn falcon
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also when is the tiny tournie from shd?

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23th?

plush grail
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what the hell is happening

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something about la valiant?

silk frost
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none of us fucking KNOW

sullen berry
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Babybay come back to OW with your new AMD 5950x

true osprey
plush grail
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halo saying lav is going full chinese???

silk frost
weak bolt
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Anyone know when the minimum player signing window is?

silk frost
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probably march tbh

weak bolt
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Hmm liquipedia says 4th Jan

silk frost
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the owl website does too

next mesa
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im gonna get muted

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okay

weak bolt
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I reckon LAV are trying to offload their players as much as possible. Otherwise you have to pay all those buyout clauses

next mesa
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SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA

true osprey
silk frost
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SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA

next mesa
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oh shiit im not muted

worn falcon
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diya busy with contendies

next mesa
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SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA SIGN DIYA

worn falcon
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then lft

next mesa
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no

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he was only quitting

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because he cant get in owl

silk frost
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yeah

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so this is the CHANCE

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TO SIGN DIYA

weak bolt
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Diya said he was planning to quit when Team CC can replace him

silk frost
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DO IT, DIYA

next mesa
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I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE I BELIEVE

silk frost
worn falcon
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imagine not signing freefeel

silk frost
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superich dud

next mesa
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something about rebuying

worn falcon
weak bolt
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The combo if Mcgravy/Packing10s posts and silence from current players making me believe halo

plush grail
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wait but

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mcgravy knows something about what is going on

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so its been known for a bit

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then why dod they bother to pick up anyone?

true osprey
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i don't think mcgravy knows tbh

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otherwise like you said

weak bolt
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To meet the minimum requirements, and allow time for the deal to happen

silk frost
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I don't think 10 knew

true osprey
feral zodiac
silk frost
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10 probably didn't know until just now

earnest leaf
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Wouldn't be hard for mcgravy to figure stuff out

feral zodiac
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:/

earnest leaf
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especially if he still talks to old teammates and players

weak bolt
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Mcgravy would get all the juice pretty easy from old teammates

silk frost
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tbh it would explain a lot

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hang on

feral zodiac
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Can u read pls

true osprey
sullen berry
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They refuse to believe it dog

worn falcon
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how fitting

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lol

next mesa
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I believe halo

silk frost
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its why they picked up agilities, no way he'd actually get picked up for the 2021 season. He's not even that good anymore, they'd go for an under-the-radar player. It's why they hosted the valiant ball, because it would be the only time the fans got to see agilities with his old team again. It's why they picked up adam, to give him SOME sort of rep and bring AU tendies into the limelight

weak bolt
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Imo when an org immediately comes out in denial of something like that, there usually is a large element of truth to it. You don't comment on random speculation if its 100% false

plush grail
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will la valiant become vancouver titans?! find out on the next episode of holy shit owl is a mess sometimes

true osprey
worn falcon
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sex

weak bolt
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They probably picked up players that took the lowest buyout clause possible

worn falcon
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big dick

silk frost
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I doubt they drop lastro

true osprey
weak bolt
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Lastro is Korean, if investors want a full chinese team, then he'd be dropped

silk frost
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NO DREAMER

true osprey
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i think its basically confirmed now

silk frost
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NONONO

true osprey
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😦

silk frost
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WAIT

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HOLY SHIT DON'T B8 US

plush grail
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the dreamer tweet

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just confirms it

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all of the valiant players are responding

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they know

worn falcon
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move all the current valiant to defiant

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or something

weak bolt
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yeah, they can't flat out confirm it as they'd be kicked off the team with no payout

silk frost
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new expansion team the LA rebuilt

earnest leaf
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inb4 all of valiant is trolling

true osprey
silk frost
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LMFAO

true osprey
weak bolt
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They'd have to really hate Halo to come up with such a large troll against him

silk frost
#

I mean

true osprey
plush grail
weak bolt
#

If false sure. If its true, then his credibility skyrocketed

true osprey
#

yeah

weak bolt
#

If false, he just goes back to Valorant and nobody remembers

plush grail
#

lmao rip

#

also doesn't halo actually ask teams for info and stuff

#

if he has a lead he investigates

silk frost
weak bolt
#

I love how this all came out like 30 mins after the OWL official videos too

plush grail
#

this is so scuffed

silk frost
#

this was scuffed an hour ago

#

it's chaos

#

it's hell

#

it's OWL

weak bolt
#

It's the offseason drama we need

#

Things were getting stale

plush grail
#

im gonna fuckin wake up tommorow and see a announcement for the wuhan warriors or some shit

silk frost
#

hiroshima kabooms

plush grail
#

either that or halo gets assasinated

silk frost
#

why not both

weak bolt
silk frost
#

LMAO

feral zodiac
#

Also why is levy muted

silk frost
#

levy is muted for the "SIGN DIYA" spam

plush grail
#

levy spammed like a dumbass

weak bolt
#

Nah he tried to spam what the fuck over like 12 lines

earnest leaf
#

yea he chimped out and spammed a bit lol

true osprey
#

So who's worse

#

valiant org

silk frost
#

titans

true osprey
#

or titans org

silk frost
#

no question

true osprey
#

lmfao

earnest leaf
#

titans even if this is true

weak bolt
#

He's muted for as long as Diya is unsigned

plush grail
#

a runaway fan should be used to orgs falling apart tbh

true osprey
#

but think about it

silk frost
#

valiant drop people because of a buyout, they can't do anything with so few resources

plush grail
silk frost
#

titans drop people because they're a bunch of children

true osprey
#

like

feral zodiac
#

Bruh what did halo tweet

plush grail
#

how were the titans children

weak bolt
#

Titans dropped people to cut costs. LAV are dropping people to probably make money 😄

true osprey
#

"hey you are all getting fired"

#

never mind that was a lie

silk frost
#

I'm sorry would you tweet?

plush grail
#

they were living in a foreign country with no translator

true osprey
#

jk double jebaited

silk frost
#

"Yeah halo is right we're going chinese"

true osprey
silk frost
#

I guess yeah

#

that makes more sense

true osprey
#

tbf i hate the titans org aswell

weak bolt
#

Not responding is what'd i'd expect if it was 100% false. You don't even give any thought to fake rumours

true osprey
#

im not actually sure who's worse

silk frost
#

@feral zodiac

#

OH MY GOD

feral zodiac
#

Bruh

true osprey
#

but regardless this is a bad look for OWL

silk frost
#

OH FUCK IT'S HAPPENING

plush grail
#

they just dropped ksp???

weak bolt
#

fake account that one

silk frost
#

no fake

#

fake

plush grail
#

FUCK

true osprey
#

fake lol

weak bolt
#

it is fake

plush grail
#

halo retweeted it sorry

feral zodiac
#

It's fake omegalul

plush grail
#

assumed it was real

weak bolt
#

la vAIlant, typo in it

true osprey
#

Los Angeles Vailent

#

my favourite OWL team haha

plush grail
#

but still

silk frost
#

vailant

plush grail
#

we'll see that tweet soon from the official account

weak bolt
#

did Halo just get hard baited by it though lol

silk frost
#

yeah lmfao

true osprey
plush grail
#

they sold valiant to me

#

i saved up a few 100 dollars

true osprey
#

it was a good bbait tbf

silk frost
#

that mans had it ready like shit

true osprey
plush grail
#

like fr

#

valiant moving to china

weak bolt
#

Dogman just fell for it too

plush grail
#

makes 0 sense

#

if they went to apac

#

they'd surely go for korea right

weak bolt
#

No

silk frost
weak bolt
#

If you're going to APAC

#

You're going because a chinese investment firm has given you $$$$

silk frost
#

right now you have to build chinese

weak bolt
#

Chinese OW market is pretty big, and seems to be growing

silk frost
true osprey
#

I wonder if they will rebrand

#

i dont think they will tbh since they've already announced that "la valiant" will be competing

plush grail
#

lmaooo

#

either way this is gonna be fun

#

either halo gets kicked out of the league

#

or valiant becomes china

silk frost
#

he isn't in OWL

weak bolt
#

There is no loss for Halo really

#

If it is false, he just goes back to Valorant

plush grail
#

kicked out of owl as in

#

the community

true osprey
#

yeah

silk frost
#

oh yeah true

weak bolt
#

He was pretty outcast last year, and just went over to Valorant. He'd do the same again

true osprey
#

But this time there's no chance he will ever come back tbh

silk frost
#

what happened last year?

true osprey
#

if hes wrongh

feral zodiac
#

What did he do last year

weak bolt
#

He got a couple of leaks wrong iirc, and he said OW wasn't worth it to report on

plush grail
#

so which city is it gonna be

#

Beijing?

silk frost
#

hong kong

weak bolt
#

I could see OWL approving a name change honestly, then you only have 1 LA team

plush grail
#

yeah it's odd how there's so many cities

#

but 2 teams decided on the same city

weak bolt
#

S1 was based out of LA though in fairness, good for marketing

silk frost
#

probably beijing

#

like the beijing honor to really hammer home how much they screwed their players

#

we need this right now

balmy wolf
#

🍞

weak bolt
#

Chongqing Choppers. Wuhan Warriors. Shenzen Surprise

true osprey
#

idk if they will allow a rebrand when there are already OWL graphics and social media posts showing the valiant to participating this year

#

but i could see it happening

silk frost
#

I mean 3 teams already technically rebranded

weak bolt
#

Logos are simple enough to change. Not much different to Florida rebranding all their stuff

true osprey
#

yeah but this isn't changing colours lol

weak bolt
#

Florida was more than colours too

true osprey
#

really?

silk frost
#

well yeah

#

last time I checked they aren't exactly european anymore

true osprey
#

thats changing players

plush grail
#

???

#

florida only changed colours

#

roster has nothing to do with the city they represent

silk frost
#

also the bring the mayhem thing died too

plush grail
#

new york has been fully korean since the start

weak bolt
#

Florida went for the whole miami vice style designs for a bunch of stuff

true osprey
noble nexus
weak bolt
#

Name/Logo isn't a huge change really. Especially if an org is offering money to pay for it

#

Find/replace on the name, and update the image. Job done

plush grail
#

its not that easy tho

true osprey
#

yeah but since its a franchise league it would have to be done before any official announcements about the league featuring the team itself

silk frost
weak bolt
silk frost
#

oh fuck

plush grail
#

???

true osprey
#

Where is that picture from

plush grail
#

weren't shock, glads and valiant all based in la?

#

is shock hinting at someone leaving?

silk frost
#

they were

weak bolt
#

yeah, they were the 3 as part of the california cup

#

Or was it just LAV/Shock, hmm

true osprey
#

So its basically confirmed now

silk frost
#

january 14th, 2021. The day that will live in fucking weird

noble nexus
#

it was confirmed when Valiant moved APAC wasn't it?

true osprey
#

well it could change to Glads/Shock

weak bolt
#

yes LAV are in APAC this year

#

Was part of the OWL announcement video

plush grail
silk frost
#

errorr did you just get here

weak bolt
#

no?

silk frost
#

I mean like

noble nexus
#

why ??? the shock tweet if we've known LAV won't atleast be in NA anymore I'm pretty sure that's all the tweet is talking about

silk frost
#

have you been watching the shit that's been happening

weak bolt
#

Sorry I misread Jack, thought he was asking if it was confirmed

noble nexus
#

I'm just confused why someone questioned the shock tweet

silk frost
#

this shit is big

#

holy cow

noble nexus
#

fuck I was just about to post that myself

cloud latch
#

THAT'S MASSIVE

noble nexus
#

LOL

silk frost
#

yo levi is back

#

was it worth it

cloud latch
#

no

silk frost
#

good

true osprey
#

lmao

silk frost
#

have yall seen this shit?

feral zodiac
#

Didn't rascal give different reasons

sullen berry
#

Yeah that was yesterday

#

Sad news to be reporting on, but one he has decided to respond to

#

I also went back to Krystal's twitter on a whim

#

I will be keeping my eyes very close on veteran Chinese talent in the coming months 👀

silk frost
#

diya and superich are the 2 big ones to look at

sullen berry
#

Diya won't be picked up

#

Until he has a replacement in line for his role on team cc

#

If they did replacement him with someone worse then you have another UP Academy flop when they lost both Krystal and Jimmy

#

Not saying that CC can't look good without rich or diya, but they'll perform noticeably worse

sharp wadi
#

Diya is retiring lol

#

after he's replaced on CC

#

but hey if he gets an OWL offer since he hasnt gotten much then maybe he changes his mind

silk frost
#

he's retiring because of lack of opportunity

#

if he gets an opportunity

next mesa
#

yes exactly

#

also @silk frost i was still muted stoopid

#

just got unmuted

#

anyway

silk frost
#

oh lmao

#

I'm not stupid I'm just dumb

#

this shit btw

#

he knows something and is waiting to say it

next mesa
#

diya unretires

#

2021 owl mvp

silk frost
#

I mean that's the obvious outcome but we need to look a lil deeper

vagrant jacinth
#

Woah woah woah

#

I just got back to see everything's on fire

next mesa
vagrant jacinth
#

Off season drama baybee

true osprey
#

lmfao

sullen berry
#

@next mesa yeah this is the best timeline for him, if he just wants to close the book on his OWL prospects I will respect that for him

#

Meanwhile

#

Could ANS find interest in playing Valorant competitively 🤔

earnest leaf
#

He said he was dogshit at it

#

I don't think it was something he wanted to do

true osprey
#

Yeah it seemed more like a retirement of competitve gaming in general then just Overwatch

sullen berry
#

Hmm alright, I just wasn't aware what his thoughts are since it did appear to be very surface level retirement in esports

#

That's unfortunate if it has to do with how he sandpaper his own mousepad

true osprey
#

He retired before but came back to joiin Shock

#

so it may not be the last time we see him

sullen berry
#

Yeah emotionally I don't think he has it in him to continue, so much pressure on one guy performing

true osprey
#

Yeah

#

I think in his video he said it wasn't just mental health issues

#

or something like that

silk frost
#

I think that he's the best player we'll ever see fort that reason actually

true osprey
#

?

silk frost
#

anyone better would have to be soulless, to be that good means so much pressure

#

at least mechanically

true osprey
#

Oh right

#

yeah

sullen berry
#

Gaming full time will physically deform you

true osprey
#

I don't think anyone was close to him throughout the entire season in terms of dominance on Widow

plush grail
true osprey
#

i still remember that match against philly in week 21

#

people were hyping it up to be amazing

#

but ans said:

#

NO

#

56% crit accuracy

silk frost
#

dude was putting up 50% crit acc like it was nothing

earnest leaf
#

Ans 1v6ed philly on that ilios map

vagrant jacinth
#

Actual nut

silk frost
#

like he might be the best aimer in esports history

sullen berry
#

Like any office worker will tell you, its fucks up your neck, shoulders and spine without good care personally to help you out

silk frost
#

just purely from the level of consistently

vagrant jacinth
#

God I'm gonna miss him

true osprey
#

You could see the pressure affecting him in the finals

#

final 4

#

He played really really passive

sullen berry
#

Letting fits get away with many of those 1v1 against Seoul

#

Otherwise we saw it on the surface as being outplayed on ashe and widow just a little under 50% of the time

earnest leaf
#

usually when ans was losing the 1v1s to fits was when shock was losing in general

true osprey
#

Fits was nuts during the playoffs tbh

earnest leaf
#

most of the time it was even or ans was ahead

#

but fits is a crackhead

sullen berry
#

Playoffs Profit was unleashed

#

But they were not prepared for the super pig

#

🐽

#

He made some risky plays that paid off

true osprey
#

anyone else remember that time vs seoul where super got hooked by gesture but just deleted him with a full headshot

silk frost
#

n o

earnest leaf
#

then viol2t and striker just deciding to be better than everyone

hot crown
#

can i join the league

#

i am a good lucio

true osprey
#

sure

vagrant jacinth
#

You can yes

hot crown
#

thank you

true osprey
#

No problem

silk frost
#

! for rookie of the year

true osprey
#

! for MVP

#

Truly the GOAT of Overwatch

silk frost
#

honestly

vagrant jacinth
#

I'd vote for !

true osprey
#

They might aswell just end the League now

#

no point playing bc you know ! is just gonna dominate you

silk frost
#

! is just too good

hot crown
#

WHICH TEAM AM I GONNA BE DRAFTED TO

vagrant jacinth
#

Join London pls, carry us to a W

silk frost
#

dude the shock

#

they want the 3peat? they get !

next mesa
#

I mean

#

! is a huge upgrade to moth

#

so

#

it would be a fat dub

hot crown
#

NA

#

NA western

digital cloud
#

what the fuck was all this valiant drama

silk frost
#

LMAO

#

hey grike

digital cloud
#

and why do people care so much about the valiant

sullen berry
#

I love this take on facebook, might be related to your question:

Playing in freaking China. Way to go OWL. Not only is it not in the Esports Mecca of Korea, but you are putting teams into one of the most densely populated countries in the world that just put their citizens on lockdown because of spikes that also just so happens to be a terrible country that engages in terrible behavior on the regular...but yeah let’s keep supporting them.

digital cloud
#

and why did levy lose his damn mind

sullen berry
#

so it would just be better if this individual had IGE get bought out by Korea?

#

levy would, like many of us longtime esports rulebreakers

hot crown
#

cool, now draft me

sullen berry
#

could have been automod

silk frost
#

in case there were any doubts

sullen berry
#

yeah I heard of him 😛

digital cloud
#

ah halo, the man of the hour

#

always making us ow viewers hype as shit over nothing

sullen berry
#

and to go without saying their coaching staff would be gone along with the players

next mesa
#

he cappin

sullen berry
#

that too is an insult if they lose Sungwoo - what a waste that would be

#

monkemonkemonke

#

any pogchimps for best Western

raw ermine
#

ok what is going on, LAV sold to china?

sullen berry
#

speculation

raw ermine
#

what other crazy nonsense happened since the OWL 2021 info release

sullen berry
#

but indeed it's looking slightly more convincing that Halo is saying there will be a complete drop in favour of a chinese roster being signed, which doesn't stray too far from the only official announcement that Valiant will be playing in China

silk frost
#

Valiant denied it, uber looks exactly like his baby, and bren won't cover rumors

sullen berry
#

and also unter has revealed all

hot crown
#

yay

#

fart

#

burp

sullen berry
#

thanks @noble nexus

noble nexus
#

np man just out here doing god's work by spreading awareness

silk frost
#

our king

#

also this leaker

sullen berry
#

yeah

#

had to retweet that one

#

it's pretty legit

#

from the source

karmic grotto
#

We can also wait until an official announcement has been done about the roster

silk frost
#

I mean we can

#

but this is fun

mortal abyss
#

Imagine if shock vs the world was like old squads

#

Imagine seeing runaway titans vs shock one more time

#

Or season 1 London

#

Clash of the champions

#

But if you had to make a dream squad to take down Shock where you can use former shock members what would you team be

silk frost
#

moth izayaki fearless void fleta fits and xepher

next mesa
#

xepher 🗿

raw ermine
#

on ms

next mesa
#

if fate of the universe on the line and I had to send 1 team to go defeat the aliens

#

gesture and profit would be on that team

sullen berry
mortal abyss
#

Mines like

sullen berry
#

||valorant all stars players|| vs Sock

mortal abyss
#

Sado Void Decay Profit Alarm Moth

next mesa
mortal abyss
#

Problem is it’s not a playoffs match

#

So profit can’t go super saiyan

sullen berry
#

that's an easy fix

#

tell him it's a finals single elimination match

mortal abyss
#

Lmfao

raw ermine
#

you'd probably want all 1 language

#

so sadly moth might not be the best choice

mortal abyss
#

Well shock have proved

raw ermine
#

even if he's the best MS

#

yeah

mortal abyss
#

A mix can work

#

With 1 western player at MS

raw ermine
#

thats cause all the koreans can speak english

#

or understand it

mortal abyss
#

Coincidentally that’s the exact same thing philly did haha

#

That’s true

raw ermine
#

profit's only ever played as a full korean team

mortal abyss
#

Hm

#

Was going to suggest fleta but same case with him

#

Ivy or rascal tbh

silk frost
#

ivy is better imo

mortal abyss
#

Yeah

silk frost
#

rascal is better at new heroes while ivy grinds them better

#

wait

#

no

#

that's what she said

mortal abyss
#

Wow

sullen berry
#

If I put in any random player on this team that was recently signed and untested in OWL

#

Gwangboong

mortal abyss
#

So now it’s Sado Void Decay Ivy Alarm Moth

sullen berry
#

I want to see him up against glister

silk frost
#

not izayaki?

mortal abyss
#

Alarm better then Izayaki

sullen berry
#

izayaki not really i guess, both have a decent understanding of english

silk frost
#

I actually think Izayaki is the #2 flex support in OWL

mortal abyss
#

You do?

#

For me it’s like

#

Alarm 1

#

Viol2t 2

#

Twilight 3

silk frost
#

that's fair

mortal abyss
#

Plus alarm has synergy with sado and ivy

silk frost
#

but like do you remember that one time izayaki just 1 tapped profit

mortal abyss
#

But if you put in more Shanghai players izayaki starts to make a little more sense

next mesa
#

Alarm is just

#

not better

mortal abyss
next mesa
#

honestly

sullen berry
next mesa
#

alarm is #2 maybe

mortal abyss
#

Lol the amount of times I’ve debated alarm vs Viol2t

next mesa
#

yeah

silk frost
#

viol2t doesn't have an ana

#

yet

next mesa
#

viol2t is just undisputed #1

silk frost
#

wellllllllllllll

next mesa
#

he doesn't need to doe

silk frost
#

several people are typing

mortal abyss
#

For me alarm is better at everything besides zen and maybe bap

sullen berry
#

but Viol2t's core indivual + synergy is too good to put him below top 2

cobalt spoke
next mesa
#

viol2t is better zen bap

#

moira too

mortal abyss
next mesa
#

viol2t has an ana

cobalt spoke
#

"Viol2t doesnt have an ana" is just braindead

#

And wrong

mortal abyss
#

Ok overexagerraioj

next mesa
#

it's just not better than the best ana in the league

mortal abyss
#

But like

cobalt spoke
#

He's not bad at the hero

mortal abyss
#

I wouldn’t put it too 5

#

Top 5

cobalt spoke
#

If anything hes still above average on the hero

silk frost
#

yeah fair enough

sullen berry
#

that's like saying Rio doesn't have a hog - he doesn't but that's not to say he isn't consistent on winston ball orisa

silk frost
#

fair

mortal abyss
#

Personally I don’t think you can accurately judge who’s moira is better between alarm and Viol2t

silk frost
#

it's moira

mortal abyss
#

Yeah

tropic herald
#

Never forget Architect Ana

#

o7

mortal abyss
#

Lol

silk frost
#

all I know about OWL moiras is that jjonak sucks

#

jk crimzo #1

mortal abyss
#

Ofc

tropic herald
#

I’m in danger

next mesa
#

yeah

#

they leavin they leavin

digital cloud
#

lol

#

glad he has a sense of humor about it

next mesa
#

paintbrush not getting into owl doe after all these stunts ngl

weak bolt
#

That tweet, winner of offseason memes so far

silk frost
#

who tf is pointing the gun at him lmao

#

imagine if you were a player and they forgot to tell you so all this is happening and lets say you're shax, you wake up one morning and you're just like "what the fuck is going on"

weak bolt
#

Got to assume the players are all being on their best behaviour to ensure they get those release clause payouts

vagrant jacinth
bronze scroll
#

what is going on now, i am gone for a few hours and suddenly there is active (semi) drama again.

next mesa
#

Valiant getting sold

bronze scroll
#

oh right, nevermind then, nothing new. I got that part, really hope the release after minimum player window is not right though, that would be a (&$&^*^%^% move

balmy wolf
#

i mean sure but at least they still got 3 months to go for the off season

#

this is barely comparable to the titans situations

wanton birch
#

idk man dogman is having pretty bad takes this podcast

bronze scroll
#

I find it interesting how this just split the community into people who are anti-leaks or maybe anti-halo, and people who trust halo. And i am like, i trust halo, but if this is wrong, he is done, especially since he doubled down, and if he is right, valiant just lied to everybody, shit is going down, and halo deserves some apologies. Its just fun to watch the people argue.

balmy wolf
#

bruh no one aint losing anything over journalism

#

you'd be surprised how many done deals suddenly just die out at the last second

plush grail
#

he predicted that my wife was gonna leave me

#

i trust his leaks

bronze scroll
#

interesting, i did just find an old report by bloomberg that Immortals was looking to sell the valiant. Its a report from nov 11th 2020

balmy wolf
#

lots of orgs want out, not surprising a chinese org would be interested in buying a team

sullen berry
#

Jacob Wolf interview is now live

bronze scroll
#

link?

sullen berry
#

the OG leaker

sullen berry
bronze scroll
#

then i would google

tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
#

I'd recommend it

#

give him the viewership he deserves

bronze scroll
#

well, then link

sullen berry
#

it's the dusttin bowerman show

#

😐

tropic herald
sullen berry
#

bam

tawdry hamlet
#

Is valiant dead or nah

trail perch
#

Chinese valiant would be better than current one lol

bronze scroll
#

not clear yet if its dead

trail perch
#

I mean if they sign Diya, Superrich

#

Etc.

bronze scroll
#

Rumor is it is, but valiant says no, so now its just wait it out

feral zodiac
#

Why do so many orgs want out

tawdry hamlet
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I'd assume a deal fell through with what they said but then shock made the california tweet

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So idk

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Who to believe

earnest leaf
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cuz their teams are dogshit and make them no money

feral zodiac
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I think shock is on about valiant moving to apac

feral zodiac
tawdry hamlet
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Overwatch as a whole isn't worth a 40 mil buy in, it's worth like a 5 mil buy in lmao

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So all these peeps want out yep

feral zodiac
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Holy shit 40 million???

tawdry hamlet
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Teams like Chengdu that chew through money with no results

bronze scroll
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i mean, i guess we will see, but its interesting how people are getting pissed at halo, cause i dont really get that. And for the rest, its just waiting until something happens

earnest leaf
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To the owners of those teams, like the robert kraft owners, 40 million is nothing

balmy wolf
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valiants parent org is a interesting spot rn

earnest leaf
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some intern probably brought up owl to robert kraft and he said "fuck it sure"

balmy wolf
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since most of their teams are pretty bad tbh

earnest leaf
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and snagged boston

tawdry hamlet
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That's true, but owl is just burning money at this point and im sure they need out to survive yep

feral zodiac
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Depends how much money they make ig

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Shock definitely aren't losing money lmao

tawdry hamlet
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Yeah nrg one of the lucky ones yep

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Bilibili are never going to make their money back lmao