esports-discussion

[trail perch]

And he was pretty good

[cedar oasis]

2 hitscan is better so they dont get burned out

One to play ash widow mcree and one to play the rest

[vagrant jacinth]

Dallas in action hell yea

[raw ermine]

pogchamp

excited to see seoul as well, with an actual off tank

[next mesa]

Dallas in APAC confirmed?? 😱

yes yes

omg

Toyou I believe

Marve1 Toyou

[plush grail]

dallas

is going to australia

[tawdry hamlet]

The best region

[raw ermine]

glads, justice and sfs will be there

[next mesa]

it'll be better than last year

either way

[balmy wolf]

dallas still na

[feral zodiac]

Valiant or mayhem, who will finish better?

[next mesa]

idk

mayhem

[cedar oasis]

Def mayhem

[earnest leaf]

Apparently rascal had offers for owl but didn't accept

[raw ermine]

His stream is today

[earnest leaf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/kwgdnm/rascal_stream_summary/

[raw ermine]

cmon OW 2 you gotta come in clutch for all the ppl like rascal

[next mesa]

fr fr

and military service

[echo quest]

Valorant offers interesting

Sinatraa and rascal reunion lmfao

Jk

[worn falcon]

.fusion didn’t want to get him because of costs

sad

that's why they let out many players too

sado and fury

pepehands

.had justice trial but no reply

bruh

[next mesa]

Ttuba better be god

[worn falcon]

.he was offered top dollar from defiant but it didn’t work out

rip defiant

[raw ermine]

sad

[noble nexus]

unlucky

Toronto would have an undeniably top dps line if that'd worked out

[cursive field]

https://twitter.com/ParisEternal/status/1349405311988346881

Paris Eternal (@ParisEternal)

🇬🇧 We are delighted to announce the new signing of @JeungMac_ow as our new assistant coach for the 2021 season.
#WelcomeJeungMac #Fiatlux

Twitter · Jan 13, 2021, 5:17 PM

[raw ermine]

noice

[worn falcon]

jmac eternal

nice

but

pain is eternal

[silk frost]

OK HOLY SHIT

PARIS ARE MAKING THE MOVES

Someone called this who was it

[cedar oasis]

I wouldn't call jmac moves

[worn falcon]

some leakmafia

[tropic herald]

I’m pretty sure Paris are gonna be the team that outperforms expectations

[noble nexus]

only because their expectations are eu contendies level

[silk frost]

2021 paris = 2020 valiant

[cedar oasis]

2020 valiant wasent last

[next mesa]

paris wont be last

[cedar oasis]

Ok 3rd from the bottom

[feral zodiac]

Do you think anyone tried to prise ksp away from valiant?

[sullen berry]

it was leak mafia with the juice

[next mesa]

yea

[gilded dagger]

T

[quasi dove]

meh

[sullen berry]

just watch

I want to see commander x try to clap against getamazed

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/owbeacon/status/1349419121096617986?s=21

OW Beacon (@OWBeacon)

According to Diya's post on Weibo, he wants to have a rest and finish his career at the peak. He will play for Team CC until they find a replacement, and then he will leave.

Link: https://t.co/zktrGmyHif

Twitter · Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM

[next mesa]

shame on you

shame on you

[sullen berry]

man's head is hurt, must be his mental draining

[next mesa]

wow

[sullen berry]

r/OverwatchUniversity is hosting the first AMA with Boston Uprising’s own hitscan-DPS, im37!
Starting at 4:00pm (EST) on Wednesday, im37 will be taking questions on an AMA thread posted in https://www.reddit.com/r/OverwatchUniversity/.

idk what I'd ask really

but it is the OW League speedrunner

[vagrant jacinth]

Diya..

Same, might be an interesting read though

[sullen berry]

how did i miss this fire response https://twitter.com/ShockCrusty/status/1348828705217413121?s=20

Crusty (@ShockCrusty)

@ow_nero @Apply Sorry son but your daddy is HuK and I adopted you.

Likes

902

Twitter · Jan 12, 2021, 3:06 AM

[raw ermine]

oh yeah I saw that lol

[steady pawn]

I think they’re all going to take a break from OWL when overwatch 2 comes out

[silk frost]

DIYA NOOOOOO

Shame on you OWL

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/seanzcollins/status/1349435696126320643?s=21

Sean Collins (@seanzcollins)

The Dallas Fuel will play from Dallas in the North America region for OWL in 2021, a source with direct knowledge confirmed with me today.

The Fuel are camped out in Korea at the moment for their preseason debut in the Shanghai event. But Dallas will play from home.

Likes

357

Twitter · Jan 13, 2021, 7:18 PM

For anyone wondering

[silk frost]

Good to know

[spark sequoia]

hi

[karmic grotto]

?

[noble nexus]

NA competition still looking more stacked then APAC then

[feral zodiac]

Both are looking stacked af

[tawdry hamlet]

So does this mean both libero and rascal just don't have teams lmao

How TF does that happen

[raw ermine]

rascal doesn't seem to wanna play

and libero idk

[tawdry hamlet]

Just wild 😞

Literally the two best flexes in the league

[noble nexus]

I reckon if they want teams they'll get signed towards the beginning of the season

[tawdry hamlet]

Reddit comments are also hinting at ttuba popping off in trials/scrims

[noble nexus]

if justice trial'd rascal and didn't give him a response then I assume ttuba is swagging out behind the scenes

[feral zodiac]

I'm telling you guys, ttuba is gonna pop this year

[noble nexus]

that isn't really a hot take

he swagged out in playoffs

plus doing good in scrims

[feral zodiac]

Do we have any knowledge of how closer and bebe are doing

[tawdry hamlet]

Nope, but I have faith 🥺

[feral zodiac]

Those are the two possible weaknesses

Also depends if Mag ends up being another roar

But I have faith in him

[noble nexus]

they're a good supp line

not even close to being top tier tho

[feral zodiac]

But can they keep up with the rest

[noble nexus]

when supp lines like the shock's and glad's exist

probably

not

[feral zodiac]

Shu and moth is so op

[tawdry hamlet]

Bebe wasn't bad last season I think and closer is from that og spitfire team that won it all

[noble nexus]

also dallas supp doesn't impress me either

[feral zodiac]

Is it a hot take if I say birdring will shine this year

[noble nexus]

but with synergy they can be insane

[feral zodiac]

What is dallas supp line rn

[tawdry hamlet]

How good is shu vs people like iziyaki

[feral zodiac]

On par if not better

[noble nexus]

nah if birdring has consistency across the rest of his team he'll be insane

I think Shu is better than izayaki

[feral zodiac]

Kevster on normal ping good be a pog

MirroR is still on the team right?

[noble nexus]

ya

Glad supp line was what made them bad last season

[feral zodiac]

Glads have a pretty stacked dps line up

Oge was kinda bad on orisa

[noble nexus]

I want rascal birdring so badly it's unreal

oge kinda wasn't too good in general

but Muze looks great

[tawdry hamlet]

You don't have faith in jecse and rapel and fielder? That's a solid support line 🥺

[noble nexus]

solid but nothing close to the teams they want to beat

[tawdry hamlet]

Oge sucks

Fat downgrade for Florida

[next mesa]

not better

[feral zodiac]

Muze was meant to be insane in contenders

[next mesa]

Shu is good though

A tier

[feral zodiac]

Fate vs fearless

Was it a good change?

[noble nexus]

sidegrade

probably

Moon sees something

[tawdry hamlet]

Fearless a little above

But close

[feral zodiac]

Off tank is such a stacked role

Rn

[next mesa]

Moon sees something

[tawdry hamlet]

But the best they could really do to replace fearless since he wanted to go to old teammates

[next mesa]

for sure

I think you could see it as like Fearless having rein and monkey and S+ tier and the rest of the main tanks at B tier while Fate has everyone on A tier

[tawdry hamlet]

I forgot shanghai has erster

[feral zodiac]

I wouldn't call fearless rein S+

Only two reins I think were S tier this year were Sado and super

Sado man

What a redemption

[next mesa]

Fearless Rein

[earnest leaf]

We'll get a good measure of how good sado really is this year

[next mesa]

is too pog

[earnest leaf]

since he won't have a top tier supp line backing him up

[feral zodiac]

True

[next mesa]

idk

isn't aztac the #1 flex support talent

and honestly they rarely flop

[earnest leaf]

no idea

[next mesa]

unlike main tanks

[earnest leaf]

but alarm and funnyastro are nasty

[next mesa]

yeah im pretty sure

WGS Phoenix

[feral zodiac]

Was erster or edison better

[earnest leaf]

My guess is sado does pretty well this year

[feral zodiac]

I get confused

[next mesa]

I think erster? im not sure

wait no

[tawdry hamlet]

Toronto vs Washington will be fun to watch

[next mesa]

wait I dont know

[feral zodiac]

Who are the S tier main tanks rn

In your opinions

[tawdry hamlet]

Smurf

[feral zodiac]

Going off last season

Smurf is S+

S++++

[tawdry hamlet]

[raw ermine]

Sado Smurf

Mag could be

[feral zodiac]

Mag hasn't proven himself yet

[next mesa]

yes

neither has muze

although

[feral zodiac]

Yes

[next mesa]

he looked very good

[feral zodiac]

They do both look good

[next mesa]

in the winter ball

[earnest leaf]

Muze should do well

[feral zodiac]

From what I have seen

[earnest leaf]

unless he's roar tier

[next mesa]

haven't seen mag play though

[feral zodiac]

Roar tier

Would you rather have muma or roar

[earnest leaf]

Since he has fucking space/moth/shu to back him up lmao

muma

[next mesa]

only s tier main tanks rn

Smurf and Fearless

[feral zodiac]

Sado

[tropic herald]

Players I’m excited to watch this year- Mag, MuZe, Aztac, ToYou, Kevster, Fate, Mano

[next mesa]

Mano and Sado A

ToYou dude

[feral zodiac]

How do u put sado A

[next mesa]

Sado is A lmao

[earnest leaf]

I'm excited to watch justice, and glister

[feral zodiac]

There are a lot of A tier main tanks

[next mesa]

definitely not S

[tropic herald]

Did you watch Korean Gauntlet

[feral zodiac]

Super A tier

Yes super is A tier

[next mesa]

@tropic herald is aztac the #1 flex support talent this year

[feral zodiac]

He has been for a while

[next mesa]

man I really wanted Revenge signed

[tropic herald]

As in rookie or just as in all flex

[next mesa]

as a rookie

[tropic herald]

1987

[next mesa]

oh shitttt

[feral zodiac]

Pelican might be exciting

[next mesa]

that's true

I don't get why

chengdu should've dumped everyone

and sign the whole team cc

im not gonna lie

[earnest leaf]

I still wonder how good super would do as the full time MT on shock

[tropic herald]

Chengdu is either gonna flop or roll

[earnest leaf]

since we know his hog and rein are top tier

[balmy wolf]

e

hai

[next mesa]

I could see team cc top 5 in owl

[feral zodiac]

I feel like super is a downgrade on orisa/winston

[next mesa]

no cap

[feral zodiac]

But they could probably manage

[tropic herald]

Super has serviceable main tanks

[earnest leaf]

on orisa and winston definetly

[next mesa]

Super's other tanks are like B tier

[feral zodiac]

Supers rein was the best in the league last season

[next mesa]

won't be as dominant

[feral zodiac]

Other than maybe sado

[next mesa]

but honestly if you sub in super for smurf

in s2

they would've still won

the title

[tawdry hamlet]

Gaga is the main tank to look out for 😎🤯

He is insane

[tropic herald]

Well Orisa in that meta isn’t all that demanding

[earnest leaf]

tbf orisa then was halt bot

[feral zodiac]

True

Press e to win

[tropic herald]

Orisa set up easy plays and that’s it

The most thinking you had to do was not expose your bongo

[feral zodiac]

Remember when someone got their bongo ran over by cart

In owl

Good times

[tropic herald]

Probably Mano lol

He was not good at placing bongos

[tawdry hamlet]

That sounds like a muma play omegalul

[next mesa]

mano should do pog

[feral zodiac]

There are so many good dps lines this year

[next mesa]

philly could use him

Pour all their resources into carpe

[tropic herald]

I can’t believe Philly nearly gave us Mano Fury but then said no

[tawdry hamlet]

I wonder what shockwave will play with carpe on the team

[feral zodiac]

Carpe will probably flex around a bit

[tropic herald]

Widow

Carpe on tracer

[next mesa]

honestly think carpe widow > tracer though

[tawdry hamlet]

Carpe has a top tier widow that I'd put above shockwave tho 🥺

[next mesa]

although shockwave is really cracked

[feral zodiac]

Striker tracer

I lost

[tropic herald]

This is a hot take but Shockwave widow appeals more to me

[next mesa]

yeah that's a hot take

[tropic herald]

It’s very aggro with a carpe tracer would be very scary

[feral zodiac]

Other than shockwave who do you think looked the best on titans last year?

I say ksaa

Or dalton

[next mesa]

yes that's an obvious answer

[tropic herald]

KSAA looked good but sad he left

[next mesa]

ksaa

[tawdry hamlet]

Lowkey Heesu was the weak spot of Phill last season hot take

[feral zodiac]

Hmm

[tropic herald]

No

[next mesa]

nah

philly's weak spot was still sado

[tawdry hamlet]

What can Heesu do besides sombra that carpe can't just do better tho

[tropic herald]

Philly had the weak spot of not knowing how to play any hog comps and playing the wrong support

[next mesa]

Heesu played widow

[feral zodiac]

Fusion didn't have a noticeable weak spot other than they had no idea what the fuck to do

[next mesa]

over carpe

[tawdry hamlet]

[next mesa]

now he performed subpar

and I still think carpe would've been better

but

[feral zodiac]

all of fusion were bad in finals

[next mesa]

it was a decision

[feral zodiac]

Very bad

Imagine not winning a single map in finals

Lul

[next mesa]

which makes no sense

they are one of the few teams that have 2 off tanks

[tropic herald]

Philly played dive comps during quarantine scrims, they were very slow to switch to hog and even then still had the wrong support for their team

[tawdry hamlet]

Tragic

[next mesa]

a double off tank meta should suit them

[feral zodiac]

I feel like there was/is a lack of people with serious time on hog in owl

[next mesa]

idk

I think a few weeks you should be able to warm it up

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean considering how useless he was most of s3 that makes sense

[feral zodiac]

And s2

A few weeks to bring a hog to grand finals level is a lot of work

[tawdry hamlet]

His ceiling is relatively low though

[next mesa]

They had a month though you dont really have an excuse

[feral zodiac]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[tropic herald]

Philly didn’t think hog was meta until midway through their quarantine

That’s their issue

[tawdry hamlet]

[next mesa]

It makes sense though

Crusty said till that day

he still wasn't sure

[feral zodiac]

Could be there was a genuinely stronger meta

[next mesa]

because shock were beating every hog comp with their dive

but I quote

"hog just hits diff in matches"

and also apparently

smurf hog is better than supers

in scrims

but he chokes in game

🗿

[feral zodiac]

Chokes on supers massive c-

[tawdry hamlet]

🗿

[raw ermine]

omically large foehead

[untold wraith]

It's not that tall or anything it's just so w i d e

[plush light]

Justice should sign rascal and get him to play main support for them

[sullen berry]

dpei head coach for glads is live with Dogman

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuhzvZAEgEI&feature=youtu.be&ab_channel=TheDusttinBowermanShow

[tawdry hamlet]

Im not a huge fan but low-key he getting some fire guests

[plush grail]

He's been getting some big stars on daily

Idk if he'll be able to keep this up for long tho

eventually he'll run out of people and have to get fuckin sideshows left foot as a guesg

[next mesa]

that's not a bad guest doe

[tawdry hamlet]

[plush grail]

I'd suck sideshows toes just to meet sbb

[tawdry hamlet]

Me to meet seominsooo

Fuck it seominsooo

Or to get a date with moth

But anyway omegalul

[plush grail]

All that just to meet a washed dps player???

[tawdry hamlet]

Moth hawt

[plush grail]

Moth meh

[tawdry hamlet]

When you lose moth rascal and ans all in one off season

Literally the best hitscan flex and ms

All gone

Cry

When you're such a good team you can lose the best player in the league in 3 positions and still be top of the power rankings

Crazy

[plush grail]

Nah

Shock is shit

[tawdry hamlet]

Totally washed

[plush grail]

When was the last time the shock tank line had any changes

If smurf, choi or super ever become FA

[worn falcon]

you forgot ans

sadge

[plush grail]

They could set a new record for highest paying contract

[plush grail]

he literally did not forget ans lmao what

[tawdry hamlet]

I too make mental errors

It's ok

[plush grail]

Everyone makes mistakes

Some people grav a solo sombra

Some people go live and leak rosters

[tawdry hamlet]

Loll

[plush grail]

And some teams just implods

[tawdry hamlet]

Some people go live and leak salaries

Big sideshow moments

[plush grail]

He did it on purpose

To show dominance over owl

Big dick energy

[tawdry hamlet]

The king

Mr egghead himself

[plush grail]

Imagine working day and night

Grinding overwatch

You finally make owl

And sideshow just makes a pepega take and claims you're the reason your team is shit

All your hard work

Ruined by egh

[tawdry hamlet]

Bruh moment

Sideshow takes aren't always super bad

I prefer custa or reinforce takes though

Or jake since he genuinely knows what he's talking about

Jake is most educated but custa reinforce are far more entertaining to me

[plush grail]

Doesn't owl have certain duos for casting

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah it's jake and the other guy or custa and reinforce or Bren and the one guy lmao

I can't remember names

[plush grail]

They really should mix it up more

I know that casters need synergy but like

[tawdry hamlet]

Whatever they do tho, I hope they don't fuck with custa reinforce soe, watchpoint is great

[plush grail]

I'm pretty sure all of the casters are good buds

They could pull it off

Oh man yeah soe

I actually remember the grand finals watch point I think

I was kinda confused because I remember It being edited really well

And it almost looked like they were in the same room

But I knew soe was supposed to be in switzerland

Nowhere near the other guys

[next mesa]

nonono

its ok if u solo grav sombra

but what if you solo grav sombra

and miss

[plush grail]

Paris doing what the titans couldn't pog

[earnest leaf]

It was the translator that worked with him on darkmode iirc

https://twitter.com/mureumpyo/status/1349416890561515521?s=21

mureumpyo (@mureumpyo)

Personal News: I'll be joining Paris as their KR-EN Translator for '21. Excited to finally be in OWL and happy to have the opportunity to keep working with Jmac

Likes

541

Twitter · Jan 13, 2021, 6:03 PM

[hidden vault]

https://twitter.com/owbeacon/status/1349419121096617986

OW Beacon (@OWBeacon)

According to Diya's post on Weibo, he wants to have a rest and finish his career at the peak. He will play for Team CC until they find a replacement, and then he will leave.

Link: https://t.co/zktrGmyHif

Likes

247

Twitter · Jan 13, 2021, 6:12 PM

[next mesa]

His post is heartbrokening

What he wanted to achieve he already did

probably dominating contenders

and what he wants now

he cant have

assuming owl

sadge

[vagrant jacinth]

sadge...

Watchpoint is great. Love the desk of custa, soe and reinforce

[tawdry hamlet]

Im just glad he got his comeback arc after having to be on the losing streak shanghai team and then didn't get to play for shanghai like at all during their best run yet

Glad contenders gave him a shot to show he can still be top tier

Now we just need Geguri comeback arc!

[next mesa]

king of china

not signed

sadge

geguri wont come back man

if mek0 and jjanu cant find

lets not talk about geguri

[vagrant jacinth]

I'm still so sad about Diya. Really should be been signed

Big sad

[next mesa]

sadge

and superich

sadge

clear best ms in contenders china

not signed

sadge

[tawdry hamlet]

I want Geguri in contenders or as a content creator for an apac team

[solar bison]

China is definitely underrated

[balmy wolf]

yes

since fusion is not picking up anymore players it seems and fury left the team

[ebon iron]

?

in what meta was sado a weak spot

he was consistently good to top tier in each meta imo which only fury and alarm were on philly

astro was weak on mercy in playoffs
carpe was weaker on sombra (but that might be bcus heesu was that good)
heesu was good but his peaks this season dont compare to sados

poko also wasnt ever top tier this season imo

[next mesa]

monkey

feed

people who put sado and smurf same tier

no

[ebon iron]

i mean sado played better then smurf on the match they won

3-0 philly

i do think smurf > sado on monkey

but sado still had a very good monkey this season imo

[next mesa]

everyone did

on that one match

that regular season game

[tawdry hamlet]

Smurf and Fearless are like hands down best monkeys in the league tho

😦

[balmy wolf]

i personally think fury was the best tank on philly last year

[tawdry hamlet]

Sado just can't compare

he is that tier below with fate

[balmy wolf]

fury had one of the better zaryas and a nasty sigma during both countdown and summer tournaments

problem was that they were slightly outclassed in the whole team aspect

fury as a individual was insane tho

[silk frost]

levy you are the biggest superich stan out there

[next mesa]

no im not

Im the biggest jehong stan

[silk frost]

you can be the biggest of 2 things

[next mesa]

Look all I'm saying is the clear cut #1 isn't signed but #2 is weirdchamp kekw pega LuLW

[cobalt spoke]

All 1 of them

[cobalt spoke]

And smurf

Smurf is on par with fearless id say

Sado is like a tier down, there was a large obvoius tank diff the last time they mirrored monkey

[ebon iron]

i think smurf and fearless are top 2

and then after that arguably were players like OGE, fate, nosmite, and guxue

if i had to rank them

it would go

Fearless/Smurf
Smurf/Fearless
Sado
OGE
Guxue
Nosmite
Fate

might be a hot take putting fate that low

but idk

[trail perch]

I wouldnt put nosmite that high

There was a reason paris was the weakest on dive

and guess what

They didnt have a bad D.Va

[ebon iron]

when were paris the weakest on dive

[trail perch]

Playoffs...

[ebon iron]

like paris were very very good in double bubble

but playoffs dont matter that much imo

[trail perch]

Not rly

They prefered double shield

[ebon iron]

it was sombra reaper and sparkle sombra was bad

[solar bison]

Nosmite hero pool was winston orisa right?

And benbest rein

[trail perch]

And lost 3-1 in double bubble/double shield to a team they beat in double shield

Benbest played orisa

Also sparkle tracer wasnt bad

[ebon iron]

thats bcus philly were even better

[trail perch]

Sombra*

[ebon iron]

it was

also

[trail perch]

Sombras just not a carry character

[ebon iron]

i think that philly game was just alarm going nuts

[trail perch]

Even Sideshow and Dogman said it really wasnt bad

Sideshow said it was good

[ebon iron]

theres no carry hero in sombra reaper dive

[trail perch]

Thats the problem

Sparkle is a carry player

[ebon iron]

like it was obv that sparkle was uncomfortable on sombra

bcus he never played her prior

doha or guard always played it

[trail perch]

No it really wasnt, he had very good hacks and good emp charges and use

Literally watch the vod

and the vod review from sideshow and dogman

[ebon iron]

ok ill watch it

but whats ur point?

that paris were weak in playoffs bcus nosmite winston was good?

[trail perch]

Nosmite winston was the weak spot

and he really isnt better than fate

[ebon iron]

so nosmite winston was the weak spot and not sparkle sombra...

[trail perch]

Also I think OGE should be lower

Yes

[tawdry hamlet]

I would put fate above oge

but then again fate had a reall support line pumping his monkey while oge had whatever shit glads were running lmao

and monkey relies heavily on ana in a few metas

hence why fearless iziyaki combo was so potent

[earnest leaf]

who is rating nosmite higher than f tier

mans turbo fed smh

[ebon iron]

what lol

how was nosmite at all F tier

lmfao

[earnest leaf]

He was consistently the weakest link by far whenever paris ran winston from what I saw

[ebon iron]

i mean

when paris ran winston

they had a top 4 dva, top 3 lucio, top 5 ana, top 5 genji etc

like sure ig?

i would argue whoever complemented sparkle (aside from xzi playing widow) was 100% the weakest link

[jolly steeple]

Don’t forget their dive before sp9rk1e

When they ran mf

[ebon iron]

oh yea that too

[jolly steeple]

Nico god hand

[ebon iron]

like nosmite was genuinely very good

this year

[earnest leaf]

nah

Compared to other winstons he was one of the weakest

and he looked poor when he was played

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean soon tracer sparkle genji neither of them were weak in that meta

and xzi widow

they all complimented each other nice in genji meta

[ebon iron]

yea

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't remember fdgod being so good but then all of sudden moth moves and he is supposed to be the second best main support in the league

[earnest leaf]

Fdgod was always a really good lucio

[ebon iron]

bro

what

fdgod mercy was horrible

sure

but his lucio

and brig

[earnest leaf]

Plus he's gonna get that crusty coaching

[ebon iron]

were insane

like for example, he literally built a beat in 30 seconds

in that one fight

his movement is also the best in the world imo on lucio

[jolly steeple]

Fdgod has the best lucio mechanics and is just overall really good on the hero

Actually mechanics can be argued for Astro

But whatever

[tawdry hamlet]

I just didn't notice due to the fact paris was so inconsistent

And I was focused on the dps duels

[jolly steeple]

I find it hard that you just didn’t notice that fdgod was really good

He’s like

It’s very easy to tell thst he’s an amazing lucio, even if you aren’t closely watching the game

[next mesa]

That's why I think flameknight thinks dallas will flop

It's just

Basically paris

With fearless instead of benbest

Fdgod and jecse jecse is probably a downgrade

[jolly steeple]

I mean that’s kinda weird considering paris didn’t really

Flop

If anything rush just had bad meta reads

But I think it was more him trying to adjust to how inflexible his flex dps players were

Paris was just a weird team

[earnest leaf]

I don't think they'll flop per say, just not meet expectations

[jolly steeple]

You know I was thinking about something

[earnest leaf]

I think fearless reminds people of how dominant shd was and thinks it will 100% apply the same to dallas as a whole

I'm expecting them top 6 at worst

[jolly steeple]

Like kind of a theory/hot take

Sparkle could just get perma benched next season for anything that isn’t tracer

Hear me out

[earnest leaf]

Depends on what's meta tbh

[next mesa]

What

[jolly steeple]

Last season fearless diem didn’t work out well because fearless is so resource dependent

And lip worked better because he’s more of a supportive dps who doesn’t need resources to do well

[next mesa]

Not a hot take

[jolly steeple]

What if the lip over diem thing happens with Doha over sp9rk1e

[earnest leaf]

I mean wasn't sparkle benched over nico for echo

[jolly steeple]

Nah I don’t think nico ever benched sp9rk1e

He benched like xzi and soon

[earnest leaf]

he did for things like mei at times

[jolly steeple]

But idr him playing over sp9

Maybe that yeah

[earnest leaf]

and for certain maps but that was probably a pre-planned strat

[next mesa]

Nico echo better

[balmy wolf]

i imagine doha is gonna get benched if anything

since hitscan is so strong meta wise, gotta have xzi on starter

[next mesa]

For sure

[balmy wolf]

doha/sparkle was played a lot back then since it was a lot of slow bunker comps that didnt require long range hitscan

lots of reaper/doom/sombra back then when OG double shield was around

[stray crest]

Xzi is pretty much a perma starter whenever hitscan is present but tbh Doha is less demanding of resources and more flexible then sp9rk1e so

[balmy wolf]

i wouldnt say doha has the better peaks tho on most projectile heroes

sparkle is a really explosive player who can easily take over games

[worn falcon]

@earnest leaf if dallas coach sparkle to play mei could be great

But his mei was awful

[earnest leaf]

I think doha has a good mei

but yea sparkle's mei was interesting

[worn falcon]

And yes, depends what gonna be meta

And what sparkle can play

Apart from genji and doom

[next mesa]

Pharah omegalul

[echo quest]

Honestly 1 league is a dogshit format

Regions would be better

More teams + spots for players

Fucking criminal diya isn’t on a team because there are 2 CN teams

[tawdry hamlet]

4

Cn teams

With 2 of them being majority south korean lmao

South Koreans are probably like 70 percent or more of the league

[echo quest]

Oh right forgot charge. I didn’t count Shanghai cuz they are all korean

So he can’t go there

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean Diya was on there and scrimmed with them, I believe he is fluent in both chinese and korean iirc

[silk frost]

and can speak english well

SO HE COULD BE ON THE FUCKING TITANS IN PLACE OF LINKZR

like it isn't much but its SOMETHING

tbh thought he was going to Boston before soon and im37

could go to Shock

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean titans are too cheap for that unfortunately

And I doubt he wants to move to Canada get a visa live in a western country etc.

He also wants to finish time on cc I've heard

Also dogshit org so kind of glad he didn't

I don't think there are any chinese players in na region actually

[silk frost]

Nope

London could sign Diya

Or Paris

Please

[tawdry hamlet]

I doubt it, London and Paris both went budget and diya is a hitscan dps that can also cover tracer on one of if not the best contenders china team we have seen so far so he certainly demands a premium over just keeping sparkr and signing a cheapo player like blase

I just don't think any team has the money to do it 😦

so people like diya are unsigned but people like dalton are resigned

sadge

does really suck tho that vancouver signed fucking linkzr instead of trialing a player like Onigod that would actually be a good pickup

angery

or nico

I know we don't know all the behind the scenes or plans or trials but some of the pickups this off-season are just pepega

and it is sad

[feral zodiac]

Last I checked, the figure was around 54%

[hexed kestrel]

when will the next overwatch league world cup be

[tawdry hamlet]

The playoffs are likely October or so

The world cup I think was cancelled

[true osprey]

Does anyone have that picture where there's like a shopping mall and there's a massive watch party for Hangzhou going on

nvm found it

[hexed kestrel]

Thank U

[tawdry hamlet]

might just be delayed tho so don't quote me on that

[plush grail]

2020 world cup is for sure cancelled

[hexed kestrel]

ok

[true osprey]

They weren't gonna do WC even if there was no covid, they used WC to show investors the potential of OWL and the only reason it happened in 2019 was because Coca cola really liked the event and wanted it to happen, which is partially why the event was kinda scuffed

[feral zodiac]

How do you know?

[wanton birch]

the fact that hurricane can dominate in eu just to come into the league and be predicted bottom eight really shows the difference between western players and asia

[true osprey]

xqc talked about it on stream once

[tawdry hamlet]

Eu has some great players but certain positions are missing good players

Same with america

Like na flex support lmaoo

Good luck

[plush light]

Sleepy?

Dogman?

Sleepy was praised a lot early on

[noble nexus]

https://twitter.com/Spex_J/status/1349708529884672000

Jon Spector (@Spex_J)

Today feels like a good day for some #OWL2021 news

Twitter · Jan 14, 2021, 1:22 PM

[plush light]

Yeah!

[feral zodiac]

Was shaz western?

[plush light]

Every day is a good day for some #OWL2021 news

[plush light]

Yes

[raw ermine]

shaz was EU, not NA

[plush light]

Tru

[feral zodiac]

Shaz was probably the best western player

On flex supp

[raw ermine]

western yes NA no

[plush light]

Rawkus was good pre owl

Custa

[raw ermine]

custa was flex support a lot

[plush light]

Nevix

[raw ermine]

LAV and the fuel had WEIRD support choices s1

[feral zodiac]

Best western hitscan is ksp

[raw ermine]

a flex on main and main on flex

[plush light]

Surefour?

[feral zodiac]

Most roles there are only one or two top tier western players huh

[jolly steeple]

no its easily ksp

[feral zodiac]

Ksp was far better than surefour

[noble nexus]

s4 not even close to ksp

[jolly steeple]

ksp dominated last season

[noble nexus]

ksp might've been best ashe last season

he was cracked

[jolly steeple]

even if surefour has motivation to play he would not have been as good

[forest raven]

thats a cap

[plush light]

Surefour was the most cracked in s1. Remember that play against seoul

[noble nexus]

I'm biased but who cares because I said might've

[forest raven]

thinking ksp was a better ashe than profit or birdring or ans

[plush light]

I think sideshow is the best pharah to ever be in owl

[forest raven]

TRUE

[jolly steeple]

color hex is world best pharah

[plush light]

Blasé is the best mccree in owl

[noble nexus]

chex best everything

[plush light]

I think that ryujehong is the best mccree in owl and Jerry has the best movement

[jolly steeple]

tbf jerry was the closest to ever making that jump

[forest raven]

chex is legit a ranked warlord tho

[silk frost]

Chex outcompeted all of the Korean contenders flex DPS in trials fun fact

[forest raven]

man can crack the fuck out when hes not forced onto a hero he never played

put chex on hitscan

[silk frost]

Nah they have soon and im37, put chex on main support

[next mesa]

I thought custa was main support

[raw ermine]

he was

but played a bunch zen for some reason

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/spex_j/status/1349708529884672000?s=21

Jon Spector (@Spex_J)

Today feels like a good day for some #OWL2021 news

Likes

355

Twitter · Jan 14, 2021, 1:22 PM

[plush light]

He was flex, but switched when he went to valiant

[silk frost]

Direct quote: "why play Zen when I can just kill you on lucio?"

[next mesa]

I thought he was dropping some news on friday on dogman's podcast

nvm then this is great

[tropic herald]

Well today is Thursday so it could still be on Friday, that’s pretty soon

[next mesa]

this is unrelated but

https://twitter.com/OverwatchNaeri/status/1349476501855498243

Naeri X 나에리 (@OverwatchNaeri)

Overwatch 2 New Hero is very likely Fox Ninja(Kunoichi: くノ一) Hero🦊

●Fox Shrine
●Fox Spirit
●Kitsune(Fox: キツネ)
●She flick all nine(Nine-tailed Fox: 구미호)

The fox is mentioned 4 times in the letter. Also, the last sentence is correctly stated as "nine tails" in 🇰🇷🇯🇵. https://t.co/9S5OCjpjyE

Retweets

219

Likes

1302

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Twitter · Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 PM

breaking news: haksal comes out of retirement to play her

[plush grail]

haksal coming out of retirement because of owl2 heroes

pretty decent chance

[trail perch]

I mean whoever said that crimzo is the only good western flex support

Is 100 percent right

He is god

[jolly steeple]

I guess roolf DIED!

[trail perch]

He was ass

I think the famous c9 just made him washed

[sullen berry]

Love kunimitsu though in tekken

[next mesa]

dogman

crimzo is garb lets be honest

[jolly steeple]

the best western fs in owl

is kaan

im ngl

[next mesa]

rn

probs

wont be surprised

[jolly steeple]

the best one in general is ultraviolet but hes like

16

[next mesa]

if he outperforms crimzo

[jolly steeple]

kaan is genuinely a decent player

I think hes better than crimzo

[next mesa]

anyone's better than crimzo

[silk frost]

Boombox

Ripa

[plush grail]

best western ms is bumper

[raw ermine]

trueeeee

[next mesa]

yes bumper is so good he canchange his race

[tight hill]

Why is bumper not on a team rn? Did i miss news from last year

[plush grail]

he's not allowed to play

[tight hill]

?

[plush grail]

after charging john spector into a wall

[tight hill]

Understandable

[tropic herald]

Titans dropped him

No teams picked him up for some reason which hasn’t been said

Probably a mix of not wanting to play for certain teams and also not doing good in trials

[tight hill]

Yeah and maybe too aggressive for some teams

[plush grail]

bumper had his babysitters on the titans

[silk frost]

shanghai were gonna pick him up but fearless blew up in trials

in terms of his play

[tropic herald]

Jjanu Haksal and Twilight trying to keep Bumper up inside the enemy team

[tight hill]

Still I feel like he’s a player a team that’s starting from scratch can build around

[silk frost]

at least that's what I think happened

[plush grail]

he's like jjonak

good mechanics

needs some coaching

and resources

[tropic herald]

Bumper isn’t even a main tank player at heart really

[plush grail]

yeah he's a feeding chad at heart

[next mesa]

not feeding he's just yottachad

[cedar oasis]

Feeder

Can bumper play orisa

Or ball

[jolly steeple]

Bumper can play like one style of rein

And it’s a style that gets exposed easily now

[tight hill]

?

Dude would be pretty good in the current state of the game

Initiation is better than holding you position currently

[cedar oasis]

Bumper needs both supports glued to him

[noble nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6WtAKGz1r4

Valiant in apac

is strange

lul

[next mesa]

VTUBERS LETS GO LMAO

[noble nexus]

I hope sideshow becomes a vtuber

[plush grail]

valiant to apac???

[noble nexus]

they're fixing the rewards system

fucking finally

[weak bolt]

LAV in Apac, RIP

[next mesa]

they kinda gonna get fucked

[earnest leaf]

valiant to apac

[weak bolt]

Adding minimum latency to all matches where required, will be interesting

[earnest leaf]

they are gonna be the new london

[tropic herald]

I think APAC will be getting homestands

[plush grail]

i could see lav being a decent team

[feral zodiac]

Ksp vs diem

Ooo

[earnest leaf]

idk if the Korean government will allow large gatherings

[weak bolt]

Chinese homestands I could see

[tropic herald]

I think they can do limited capacity in Korea cant they?

I swear I was wathcing NEXT cup and they had live audience or something

Wait nevermind thats CHina

[worn falcon]

valiant to apac

london to na

the heck is this tradeoff

[feral zodiac]

Apac got even more stacked

[tropic herald]

London are a full EU team they have no reason to be in APAC

[wanton birch]

I haven’t watched yet did they say if it’ll be on ow 1?

[tropic herald]

I'd assume stuff like that we will know at BlizzCon

[worn falcon]

We are exploring a few different options to facilitate this global competition, but our current leading approach is to have the top qualifying teams from the West travel to Hawaii, where they will play against the top qualifying teams from the East via a directly-routed connection from Hawaii to Asia. If necessary, though, due to changing health, safety, and travel conditions, we will be prepared to quickly pivot back to a regional tournaments model.

how is hawaii to asia ping?

[feral zodiac]

About the same as hawaii to west coast

So I guess around 120-130

[tropic herald]

Its better than West Coast to Asia lol

[feral zodiac]

This is a strange way of saying we don't want shock to win again lul

[wanton birch]

For balance is it possible they would add artificial delay for the team with better latency?

[next mesa]

how does that effect shock winning

yes obviously

both teams will play on same ping

[tight hill]

120-30 isn’t terrible

[noble nexus]

that's what they're gonna

do

[sullen berry]

I would imagine better if the infrastructure is there for Hawaii instead of literally anywhere outside the major US cities

[next mesa]

hawai to korea prob 100 ish yeah

[noble nexus]

both teams will have fps capped at a certain number

[tight hill]

Latency no FPS

[sullen berry]

Haven't been to Hawaii in like 11 years, they must have enough tangible resources

[worn falcon]

Regardless of where teams are located, we will be utilizing the minimum latency technology now available in Overwatch, so Overwatch League teams will be competing on a level playing field from all over the world—in North America, Europe, Korea, and China. New server deployments will also help us keep the competition fair.

[sullen berry]

I'm rewtching the announcement now, nothing concrete right?

[worn falcon]

new servers

thonk

[tight hill]

What is the logic for Val to APAC? They aren’t Korean

[next mesa]

how does this effect shock's winning chances

[noble nexus]

I meant latency*

[sullen berry]

Oh the Eastern division

Perfect

[wanton birch]

I kinda feel it’ll be on ow 1

[sullen berry]

No more UHHH ASIA

OR APAC WOT IS DAT

[worn falcon]

As we prepare for the 2021 season, we have also been working hard to deliver improved fan experiences. Entering the second year of our partnership with YouTube, we have been working very closely on several initiatives that I am really excited about. We can’t reveal too many specifics yet, but we plan to level up the quality of our match streams, add even more value to watching live matches through our viewership rewards program, and improve the discoverability of live Overwatch content.

youtube year 2

no twitch

wonder how long is the deal

[tight hill]

Yeah

[next mesa]

I thought it was like 5 years

[sullen berry]

Youtube year 2 quality better be proper 1080p

[next mesa]

honestly though

youtube needs to focus on its streaming platform

[tight hill]

Kinda a dumb deal for YT for 5 years of an Esport

[next mesa]

add clipping feature

allow emotes

[sullen berry]

This was a three year deal iirc alongside CDL

No I think Twitch has looked worse off in 2020

[worn falcon]

if they add clipping i wouldn't mind youtube

[next mesa]

yt had some of the biggest streams

[worn falcon]

i like clipping for some plays and shit

[next mesa]

in 2020

[sullen berry]

Clipping I can vouch I miss the most

[next mesa]

well its like technoblade but still

[tight hill]

Player pov to console plz

[sullen berry]

Discoverability and rewind and fast forward is significantly better

[tight hill]

Yeah

[sullen berry]

Using the OWL website for those rewards was cringe and crashed regularly

[solar bison]

Yeah

If they make drops better i would like that

[tight hill]

And YouTube is more readily available than twitch is

On TVs and stuff

[sullen berry]

His headset has two different airpods

[sullen berry]

Vtubers for casters 💯

[worn falcon]

pls no

ill miss soe and the egg

[earnest leaf]

Also with this, zero chance OWL is played on ow2

[next mesa]

why not

ohh september finals?

[vagrant jacinth]

Vtubers for casters 🙏

[next mesa]

that's actually really tragic though

[earnest leaf]

we've heard legit nothing still and the league starts in 3 months lol

[tight hill]

I still don’t get the valiant thing

[earnest leaf]

unless secretly the game is nearly done

[next mesa]

the game might be

tbh

[vagrant jacinth]

Yeah lmao

[next mesa]

2 years in dev

but I doubt

[tight hill]

Their explanation is terrible

[next mesa]

it better be almost done

[vagrant jacinth]

I didn't think val would be the ones going apac

[tight hill]

It makes no sense and not does thier justification

[worn falcon]

only valiant in apac?

you see fusion is here/.

[feral zodiac]

No more battle for LA ;-;

[worn falcon]

same nyxl

man

i dont mind the changes

[vagrant jacinth]

Same

[worn falcon]

if we see more na vs apac games

[tight hill]

Yes

[vagrant jacinth]

Gonna miss battle for LA yeah

But now I can root for val in apac and london in na

So pog

[tight hill]

I do wonder why they just didn’t make a bubble guess they don’t have the resources for that

[solar bison]

Battle for LA this year would have been a glads win in my opinion

[worn falcon]

but we have battle for texas

houston

[solar bison]

Dallas sweep

[worn falcon]

[solar bison]

Or maybe not

But dallas win

[gloomy vector]

i just watched the OWL 2021 update video so when west is playing east teams

so everyones is gonna ghave 200 ping so its super laggy???

[tight hill]

Oh wait but Danteh snaps his fingers and Huston wins

[tight hill]

200 ping consistent isn’t super terrible in Overwatch

[vagrant jacinth]

If you can call it that lmao

[noble nexus]

https://twitter.com/SFShock/status/1349785138897383424

San Francisco Shock (@SFShock)

here we go...

Twitter · Jan 14, 2021, 6:27 PM

"Listen"

battle for texas will be ass

it'll be a stomp

[vagrant jacinth]

figure out who hired matt

[next mesa]

listen

here's what you do to make rein good

make him fly

give him 5000hp

[noble nexus]

give him wings

[next mesa]

20k shield

[vagrant jacinth]

Make him charge at mach 3

[next mesa]

500 hammer swing

yes

[tight hill]

To the back to back Overwatch leauge champion, may malee champion, countdown cup champion, all star, role star, mvp runner up?

[gloomy vector]

give him a hanzo wall climb

[next mesa]

if u do all that

he just might get played over sig orisa ball 🗿

[noble nexus]

gl with that

[cloud latch]

might

[noble nexus]

also just replace the battle for LA with the California cup thing and it'll actually be fun to watch shock vs glads

[gloomy vector]

well LA is gonna get smacked by the East teams

they might get the dragons record

[noble nexus]

nah

[next mesa]

nah nah nah

seoul will beat dragons

and then u know

the next week

they will get swept by valiant

its almost certain

[noble nexus]

they won't get stomped out every game

just most games they'll get stomped out

[hot onyx]

Valiant are easily the worst team in apac but they’re not gonna get 0 wins

[next mesa]

their only hope is to catch seoul

[hot onyx]

If any team has a chance of beating that record it’s the titans

[next mesa]

in one of their shit cycles

[cloud latch]

they could beat nyxl too

[next mesa]

mmm

I doubt it

[gloomy vector]

well i guess meta could help but i honestly have 0 faith that they will get more than 2 wins

in the eats

east

[next mesa]

this new nyxl might be better than the old one

[hot onyx]

Yeah new nyxl is good and all but they kept season 3 coaching staff

They’ll be lucky to be above chengdu

[next mesa]

I think yakpung is on par with mag and muze in terms of main tank

main tank hype

[noble nexus]

I think if Valiant come into next season looking strong and have an early game against nyxl whilst they're still trying to synergise (assuming they aren't already well synergised) it might be close

[worn falcon]

im ready to see sbb benched

sadge

[next mesa]

yes

[noble nexus]

but with how long they have nyxl are probably going to mesh together enough to roll valiant

[gloomy vector]

also i dont see decay and jerry playing together

[next mesa]

what can sbb play

that profit or fits cant

[noble nexus]

sbb will have infinitely more valuable as a morale booster outside of the game than in the game

[next mesa]

n o t h i n g

[hot onyx]

Unless it’s a tracer/projectile meta sbb is sabenchbe

[tight hill]

Mei?

[worn falcon]

sush levy

let my man play some games

[next mesa]

okay yeah