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earnest leaf
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I'm talking about the tweet from june

feral zodiac
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Ohhh

balmy wolf
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are they doing any contender skins for January? or are they taking this month off

inland flare
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hi

hexed kestrel
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london is basicallly hurricane but blase and hybrid

vagrant jacinth
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Yes

wanton birch
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interesting to see that dogman thinks rascal wasnt that good

slow kraken
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Doesn’t carpe have super low sens, like he has to basically move his mouse across the desk 3 times just to look behind

true hound
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yea he plays very low

cedar oasis
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Is dog man still on the reign

balmy wolf
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no

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retired

vagrant jacinth
feral zodiac
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Where did he say that?

plush light
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900 and 4 for genji junk and doom

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900 4.52 for tracer

forest raven
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900 3.12

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Damb

plush light
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900 and 5 for rein Winston

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30 zoom widow, 40.75 ashe

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I know that off the top of my head

forest raven
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How do you feel

plush light
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I feel like the no life nerd I am

trail perch
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again that shit lowkey normal tho

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Like 900 4.52

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isnt that low

plush light
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He uses a heavy mouse though

trail perch
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Tru tru

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Just judging this off myself, I use a lower sense then him

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Like alot lower

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my edpi is 2720

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His is 4068

plush light
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Thats only for tracer

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For most heros he uses 900 3.12, 2808 edpi

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Depending on how I feel I use anything from 1600 edpi to 15000 edpi

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The lower for zen and the higher for Winston

cedar oasis
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When do we see a Nintendo switch player in owl

plush light
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Right now I am using something like 1800 edpi

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And playing ana

idle forge
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what do yall think about libero to boston?

raw ermine
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doubt that's gonna happen

idle forge
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A dude can dream

cedar oasis
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No

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Libero no

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If Boston get libero then they have a very good dps line

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You can't do libero like that

idle forge
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I mean, think about it . . . Soon, libero, myungbong carrying plus a solid tankline and a (hopefully) decent ms

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bostons gonna be banging

cedar oasis
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Not libero

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Top 3 flex dps to Boston

balmy wolf
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bruh

cedar oasis
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That's not right

balmy wolf
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thats not good

cedar oasis
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Yo

balmy wolf
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teams still shit

barren quest
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Boston has potential to be good

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They have new coaching

cedar oasis
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Still bottom 5

idle forge
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but not he bottom

balmy wolf
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and im37 is better than soon imo

idle forge
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i just wanna see them competitive

cedar oasis
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It's hard to be worse then Vancouver

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And paris

idle forge
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i dont watch contenders so i dont know much about new talent

barren quest
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Find out how Boston will be doing next year

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When OWL starts again

idle forge
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but i just hope that boston doesnt do that shit where they pickup cheap potentials in hopes of finding a star

balmy wolf
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boston even got a downgrade from losing jerry

vagrant jacinth
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I think they'll be just above bottom 5

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Digging the myunbong and soon pick ups tho

primal minnow
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they have 3 rumoured good pick ups

vagrant jacinth
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Shut

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What are these rumours?

primal minnow
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valentine and faith

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and boston is one of the rumoured teams for gaebullsi

idle forge
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Whats their positions?

primal minnow
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valentine is a flex dps I believe

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faith is a solid ms

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and gbs is an off tank

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all of them have been on wgs phoenix with lori and im37 before i believe

vagrant jacinth
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Boston do still need a ms iirc

plush grail
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smh when is titans just gonna pick up rascal

tawdry hamlet
limber pine
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Fusions switching from MT to MS

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/s

hot heart
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Where would you all rank Boston if their Roster were Fusions, Stand1, Punk, Im37, Soon, Valentine, Faith and myungbong?

cedar oasis
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Bottom 5

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Maybey above Atlanta

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Atlanta 4th Boston 5th

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Maybey above the valiant

wanton birch
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rascal has been on the team thats won the season each time at some point

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someone sign him as a lucky charm

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please

cedar oasis
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Did he play on London

tropic herald
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Well he was part of the legendary dps duo of Rascal and Birdring

vagrant jacinth
tawdry hamlet
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I have hopes for stand 1 but I didn't see him play enough to really gauge if he was goat shanghai standards or just low tier but happened to be on the roster

feral zodiac
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He is decent

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Not quite fearless but he held his own for Shanghai in the finals

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1,000,000x better than fusions

vagrant jacinth
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Yeah, I thought he was pretty solid and still think he'll do well

silk frost
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Barroi should be good for Boston too

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I still stand by my statement of Boston being top 5 NA

cedar oasis
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Ah yes

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The biggest hot take

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Ever

balmy wolf
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tru

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shock, justice, glads, dallas, mayhem and reign all better

vagrant jacinth
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It's a hot take yeah ngl

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But im screenshotting in case your prophecy comes true

tawdry hamlet
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If atlanta had a better tank line they'd probably be top 4

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Pelican carry !

balmy wolf
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tankline is fine this meta

cedar oasis
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Atlanta tank line is below average

balmy wolf
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hawk is good on sigma and gator surprised on ball

cedar oasis
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Compared to all the other ones

vagrant jacinth
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Reign better than Boston hmmmm

balmy wolf
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im more worried about their suppps

tawdry hamlet
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Idk lris is actually pretty good no idea about masaa tho

vagrant jacinth
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Masaa is eh imo

balmy wolf
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masaa was shit last year ngl

cedar oasis
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Atlanta is still bottom 5

balmy wolf
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idk bout that

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mid tier maybe

tawdry hamlet
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Sharp is underrated af CATJAM

balmy wolf
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not bot 5

vagrant jacinth
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Their tanks + masaa I don't believe in

tawdry hamlet
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I think hawk is fine, I think gator is just meh

vagrant jacinth
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I've definitely thrown atlanta in the bottom of the rankings

tawdry hamlet
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Fair

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I don't have high hopes for Florida

vagrant jacinth
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I thought they'd upgrade both tbh

balmy wolf
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rlly?

tawdry hamlet
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Oge is such a downgrade sadthonk

balmy wolf
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especially after valiant cup

tawdry hamlet
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Tbf that was high ping I think

vagrant jacinth
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Lmao yeah

cedar oasis
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Atlanta mostly stayed the same aswel

vagrant jacinth
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I'm actually big on their roster

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Just OGE is a big fat ?

tawdry hamlet
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Slime!

vagrant jacinth
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Slime!

cedar oasis
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Hmm

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Slime

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Can he play other heros besides lucio

vagrant jacinth
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I need to finish my pre season power rankings now that London is sorted

balmy wolf
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new experimental pog

silk frost
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I am the Boston lorax and I speak for the Boston trees

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Lori is coaching them all to be the best players in their roles

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I can see it now

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Fusions dumpstering super in the rein 1v1

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Chex the best echo and Pharah in 2021

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Soon is still soon

vagrant jacinth
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Soooooon

plush grail
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ok grandpa lets get you back into your retirement home

vagrant jacinth
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Boston top 5 ZaryaLUL

silk frost
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Ok but straight up I do expect them to be above Atlanta, Mayhem, Valiant, and Toronto

cedar oasis
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Mayhem

silk frost
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Yes

vagrant jacinth
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Depends on what your rankings are looking like

silk frost
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Shock
Glads
Fuel
Justice
Uprising
Atlanta
Toronto
Valiant
London
Mayhem
Houston
Paris
Vancouvee

cedar oasis
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How is London above mayhem

vagrant jacinth
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Ikr smh, should be above shock

silk frost
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Lmai

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Lmao

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Ok here's my laundry list of reasons why I don't like mayhem

vagrant jacinth
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I was fine with it til I hit boston

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The I was like "Oh lordy"

tawdry hamlet
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The top and bottom look pretty right other than mayhem below london

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The top imo is fax

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Top 4 that is

silk frost
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  1. Negative trust in OgE
  2. Slime is a lucio 1 trick and he isn't a leader at all, he only ult tracks and his play is significantly lower without Bumper there
  3. No kris = no backup MS
  4. No Byrem = no backup FS
  5. Their Valiant ball performance (lost to Val without KSP)
  6. Checkmate I don't have faith in
vagrant jacinth
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Lord agilities is back, how is valiant not top of the board smh

silk frost
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Btw boston that high is assuming faith gets signed

cedar oasis
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Ah yes

tawdry hamlet
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Agilities when he has to play anyone besides genji monkaS

vagrant jacinth
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Hahhahaa

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Solid points though honestly

silk frost
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Agilities when he has to play

vagrant jacinth
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The more I look at it, the less I'm hating it

silk frost
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You have to remember a few critical pieces for the boston thing to make sense, like CHex outcompeteing the best of the korean players from tendies, and the possibility of Faith, and MYUNBONG

noble nexus
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That list is probably how I feel too tbf

vagrant jacinth
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If OGE doesn't somehow become on par with fate, it's not looking good

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Major downgrade

silk frost
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And I honestly think Slime is a sidegrade

noble nexus
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That's fair

silk frost
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Even without Bumper his lucio should be really good, but not his brig or mercy

noble nexus
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He's never really been the same without bumper

next mesa
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atlanta probably bottom 5 yeah

silk frost
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I honestly think that's true about atlanta but

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Fucking PELICAN

balmy wolf
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how tf is atlanta bot 5

silk frost
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That kid claps

balmy wolf
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theres no way

tawdry hamlet
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The whole florida roster a sidegrade bruh

noble nexus
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Atlanta always manage to have a top tier dps line and still fuck it all up

silk frost
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Well here's the difference this year

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Pelican

noble nexus
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also no dogman

silk frost
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Also Lr1s

balmy wolf
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meta is echo tracer

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edison pelican

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look

silk frost
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Imo its all on masaa to preform

noble nexus
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they'll find a way to disappoint

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They're pros at disappointing at this point

tawdry hamlet
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Even with all the dropped deadweight losing erster and not changing tank line is monkaS

noble nexus
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I'm 100% a doubter

silk frost
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I think thats fair

balmy wolf
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im not denying that

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but bot 5 is too much doubt

silk frost
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I feel crazy putting them at 6th because of that tanklinr

tawdry hamlet
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Idk if pelican is all around better than an edison erster thing but we'll see

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I know pelican is great so

earnest leaf
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Are people forgetting slime was an insane MS?

silk frost
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Dude Pelican didn't miss ANYTHING in the valiant cup lol

tawdry hamlet
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Slime hasn't played in like a year

silk frost
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Slime is insane at lucio

tawdry hamlet
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So I'd say people forgot

silk frost
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Less faith in his mercy and even less in his brig

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Mayhem are relying on OgE to shot call

noble nexus
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He was insane when Lucio was the only MS played realistically he's not much outside of the hero

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Mayhem downgraded/sidegraded on most pickups imo

balmy wolf
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look patchnotes pog

trail perch
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patchnotes?

silk frost
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Oh good ashe buff we needed THAT

balmy wolf
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nerf

noble nexus
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nerfbuff

silk frost
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Oh thank gos

noble nexus
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less damage in one shot more damage faster

silk frost
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But WHY did they nerf BALL

balmy wolf
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1shot combo removed

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big nerf

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in proplay

noble nexus
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they nerfed sigball

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not even subtle

silk frost
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They just need to remove sigma's shield bro

vagrant jacinth
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All in all I'm liking the mayhem roster, just not a fan of the oge pick up

silk frost
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The pieces they kept I like

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The ones they dropped... Not so much

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Dude this experimental pack is gonna fucking suck

balmy wolf
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better than before for sure

noble nexus
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Gargoyle is a fucking nutcase and their dps line will still slap

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just not sure about much else

tawdry hamlet
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They nerfed ball because he needed it, he got like 1000 health to dive with and more mobility and small hotbox than monkey lmao

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He was way too good

noble nexus
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agree

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ball to stronk

silk frost
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Disagree

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Sigma too stronk

vagrant jacinth
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Damn

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I'm

tawdry hamlet
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Idk ball health was kind of stronk

vagrant jacinth
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Ball nerfed, chengdu in tatters

trail perch
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1987?

balmy wolf
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ball and sigma way too stronk

trail perch
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gaga

balmy wolf
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but they keep supps op

trail perch
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Chengdu finna be popping

balmy wolf
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why?

silk frost
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Bap needs a Nerf but besides that I think supports are fine

tawdry hamlet
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Spark better perform now that they straight dropped a shit ton of money on this roster catplobbers

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Im hype

silk frost
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Wait nO NERF DISCORD

balmy wolf
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honestly

tawdry hamlet
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Seominsooo monkaS

silk frost
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We all want spark to preform but we know they're gonna SOMEHOW Fuck it up

balmy wolf
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they should completly rebalance the game

silk frost
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I actually know how you fix the game right watch this

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  1. Remove sig shield
  2. Buff rein and orisa shields
    That's it game fixed
digital cloud
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sig without shield is worthless

balmy wolf
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nah

digital cloud
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no one wants double shield again, however

balmy wolf
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immortality destroys the game

silk frost
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Not really he'd have a niche as a defensive hold hero with orisa like back in the day

balmy wolf
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bap brig is too opressive

silk frost
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They could make immort single target

balmy wolf
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yeah

silk frost
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Like a zen orb

balmy wolf
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actual big brain

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good idea

silk frost
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Except it goes in a straight line and 1st person it hits no die

vagrant jacinth
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Not sure how good a barrierless sig would be lmao

silk frost
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Then just give him 50 extra HP and 50 extra shield health and make the max HP from grasp 500

balmy wolf
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just make lucio meta

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and we fine

digital cloud
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I think the experimental looks promising

silk frost
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Just let heroes have niches

vagrant jacinth
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Did any of you see plat chat review that season 1 game?

silk frost
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Yeah I watched them talk about Fuck all

next mesa
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id take houston over reign

vagrant jacinth
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Bro like, custa being on fuel is just erased from my brain. I literally do not remember that

plush grail
next mesa
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u actually suffer consequences with monkey

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with ball your shields dont give ult charge

tawdry hamlet
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ball too invincible 😦

cedar oasis
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If there is a good team then you die

vagrant jacinth
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Ball too stronk

silk frost
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A brig with a brain maked your life hell

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The next meta is probably dva rein tbh

noble nexus
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I feel like they're trying to force dva rein considering they buff rein and dva then nerf sig and ball

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or it's a happy little coincidence

digital cloud
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both were underpowered

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not really forcing to notice that

noble nexus
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but now they're both more than powerful enough to be meta

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although the dva buff wasn't as stronk as the rein one

trail perch
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I want a massive D.va buff

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Is that too much to ask for

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I also want role lock to be removed

noble nexus
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I want dva to have her ult as a normal 10sec ability

trail perch
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And brig, lucio, zenyatta, rein, zarya, and D.va to all be buffed

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For no specific reason that is

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As a coincidence

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theres no specific comp I want to be meta again

silk frost
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I have a better idea as to who should be buffed and how

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Zarya

digital cloud
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zarya is still good

silk frost
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Give her a pool of 3 bubbles that she can use on anyone

noble nexus
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Zarya is still fine

trail perch
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Ok fine you caught me

noble nexus
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oh god

silk frost
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Dude Zar is the worst OT by far right now

trail perch
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I want GOATS

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I want GOATS so badly

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GOATS is peak ow

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The amount of pure teamplay and counterplay that goes into GOATS and its varients

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Is the top of overwathc

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Sombra goats, triple dps counters

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Moats

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Boats

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All of it was perfect

plush grail
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they're never gonna let goats happen again

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maybe a one off tournament with it

plush light
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Do you ever run sroats?

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Rein zarya mei reaper Lucio Moira

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Also known as brawl / rush

silk frost
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I think I called that snoats

plush light
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Snoats is rein zarya dva mei ana Lucio

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Or rein dva mei brig Lucio Moira

slow kraken
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It’s called open queue

raw ermine
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stage 3 meta was the best

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and that comes from a person whose team went 0-7 that stage

tawdry hamlet
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When hasn't your team gone 0-7

plush grail
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lol was about to say

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a stage where defiant goes 1 - 6 is considered good for them

raw ermine
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we went downhill quick

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5-2 to 2-5

plush light
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In my experience

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Sometimes I get a hog on my team or a mercy one trick

plush grail
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open q is just

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ask for goats in team chat

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1 guy goes rein

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and the rest just ignres

plush light
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Is mei reaper rein zarya Moira Lucio not the new goats

noble nexus
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closest you'll get to it with role lock probably

slow kraken
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Not like people always went goats back then aswell

keen aurora
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goats was when sombra was meta

plush light
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Sombra has always been semi meta

balmy wolf
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are they doing the contender skins this month? or taking a break

tropic herald
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There isn’t any contenders this month

tawdry hamlet
cobalt spoke
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Thats the facts

burnt trout
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@plush light Sombra has always been just bad enough to be completely unplayable

feral zodiac
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?

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Lol no she hasn't

hexed kestrel
echo quest
balmy wolf
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sinatraa doesnt even play anymore sad

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viol2t daddy 😩

frozen dock
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xQc 👑

plush light
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Sleepy?

sullen berry
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that top 10 has half a set of OW players who have left in some form or in FA still (but come on, it's ChipSa)

vagrant jacinth
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I saw this, what losers

plush light
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I'm probably like half of the rascal and surefour ones lmao

sullen berry
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be honest, who also gets spelling or capitalization wrong on names like sin, ChipSa or sp9rk1e?

forest raven
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Sleepy above super pepeLaugh

feral zodiac
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When most of the top 7 don't play pro anymore

true osprey
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The only suprising person on that list is Ta1yo

plush grail
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probably because he joined shock out of nowhere

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alot of people went to the wiki to see who he was

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most of those players were either big players in 2020, internet personalities or something happened to them

balmy wolf
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Ok so I was asked to become a prodigy by fall in order to obtain a scholarship that could cover 60% of my college tuition

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I started a week ago and progress is currently shit

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But I’m dedicated so hello

true osprey
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Hello

next mesa
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define become a prodigy

balmy wolf
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Need to get good to participate in college esports

next mesa
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yes how good

balmy wolf
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Idk

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For starters I wanna learn how to not fall into a void

trail perch
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If I where you I would pick up either a main tank, or a projectile DPS

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or maybe Main support

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Because those are the roles that require the least mechanical skill, because gamesense and ability is correlated to how much you know, not how well u can aim

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Maybe someone like rein or brig

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or junk/doom

cedar oasis
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If you are western go for flex support

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Are there any top tier flex supports

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That are western

next mesa
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no

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but you're just not going to

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compete against the koreans

cedar oasis
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You can try

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You should be popular if your decent

echo quest
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@balmy wolf you can’t really become a prodigy

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You either are one

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Or not

balmy wolf
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Oh yea of course I know I’m not. I’m a realist and can see myself going to an average level

echo quest
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What rank do you have to be

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To get the scholarship

balmy wolf
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No specific rank. Now that I think about it, I don’t know much about it

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However they don’t want me only to compete but for other reasons as well so I shouldn’t stress too much

vagrant jacinth
next mesa
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hm

raw ermine
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awww

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will he still commentate?

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hope so

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oh he will

vagrant jacinth
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He said he'll still be casting

chilly lava
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overwatch totally copied valorant

vagrant jacinth
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Shut

trail perch
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OW and Valorant both good game

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offer different style, different skills, different games

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Both fun, both great

eternal glade
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is it possible to find EU teams that scrim in the mornings?
Im 4k flex DPS and Im online 8am-16:00 CET
wondering if its even possible to find a tier3 EU team in this time range

raw ermine
tropic herald
next mesa
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wtf-

cloud latch
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????

next mesa
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okay

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Ans I hope you do well

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Shock just got a lot weaker

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but i hope

cloud latch
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I'm guessing that's why they picked up glister maybe?

hot heart
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UHHHHH

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That is

vagrant jacinth
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ANS

hot heart
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A massive fuckin hit to shock

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Holy

vagrant jacinth
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PLS

hot heart
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but tbh

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If it's what he needs

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Good for him

earnest leaf
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Wait what

vagrant jacinth
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Yeah fr fr

next mesa
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I'm glad ans took the step that he needed

rare magnet
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well shit

vagrant jacinth
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My boy needs to look after himself first foremost

hot heart
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Glister Ta1yo Striker Nero

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So

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Downgrade at HS tbh

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But

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Idk actually

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This is kinda big

next mesa
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glister on widow ashe duty I guess

trail perch
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They still have striker tho

tropic herald
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Realistically striker isn’t their sniper player

solar bison
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Noooo

tropic herald
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I guess it could be a mix of players

solar bison
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ans

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Why

tropic herald
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Why does San Francisco have like 4 dps who just don’t have conventional hero pools

cloud latch
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what are conventional hero pools?

tropic herald
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Just hitscan

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Just projectile

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Just flex

solar bison
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Crusty

tropic herald
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Now that I think about it Nero is conventional

solar bison
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Is why

hot heart
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Yeah

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Glister is like

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A worse ans

solar bison
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Kinda sad, ANS retiring

hot heart
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Yeah

solar bison
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Hope he comes back

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Maybe midseason or s5

tropic herald
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Glister is a lesser sniper but has a much wider hero pool than ANS

hot heart
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Ye

vagrant jacinth
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I honestly think glister will improve a lot on shock. Maybe not to ans level but he'll be solid

cedar oasis
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shock is defanitly cock now

plush grail
#

ans gone??

#

what

#

shock signing libero pog

next mesa
#

honestly

#

if diem stayed a bit longer-

gilded dagger
#

NOOOO ANS RETIRED

#

FUUUUUUCK

hot heart
#

I mean

gilded dagger
#

ONE FUCKING SEASON

hot heart
#

Honestly im not very surprised

#

He had alot of issues during s3

#

And in 2020 overall

gilded dagger
#

like what

#

Well yes but like what

hot heart
#

It was either retire or take a backseat in shock

next mesa
#

depression

hot heart
#

Ye

gilded dagger
#

True

next mesa
#

It was like pine in s1

gilded dagger
#

Ya 😦

plush grail
#

dont compare big dick pine to ans wtf

weak bolt
#

Guess we know why they picked up glister now

vagrant jacinth
#

I am surprised though, I thought he'd stay on the roster but probably not play full time.

#

But I guess he'd still have to scrim and stuff a lot which is draining

true hound
#

😭

#

he was so good man

weak bolt
#

Might just want to be back in Korea too

tawdry hamlet
#

When the power rankings go brr

weak bolt
#

Fair play to him though, Ranked, champion, retire

tawdry hamlet
#

Wild announcement nobody expected sadthonk man

weak bolt
#

Makes sense really, he clearly suffered last season, and picking up Glister makes sense in comparison

feral zodiac
#

Glister signing makes sense now

wanton birch
#

Shock looking more human

weak bolt
#

Wonder if Shock look to fill the spot again

wanton birch
#

I’m kinda confused why players decide to basically become unemployed cause of depression though, kinda seems counter intuitive. But hey it’s his choice if he thinks it’s what’s best all power to him

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean to be fair, he was probably making well over 60k a year with housing and shit paid for

#

so it isn't like unemployment will be difficult

weak bolt
#

He'll have a decent stream to fall back on I'm sure, and it means he can return to Korea and work on his health. Health always comes ifrst

wanton birch
#

This may sound bad but how long will those viewers last ?

#

Even moths stream numbers dipped a fair amount since leaving shock

weak bolt
#

esports isn't the place to be if you have mental health problems

#

You get depressed, your performance drops, everyone turns on you, and it gets worse and worse

tawdry hamlet
#

streamers make plenty of money even with a small audience

#

it is far more money than people even think

weak bolt
#

He also made bank last year, enough to take some time away Im sure

tawdry hamlet
#

shock contracts are pretty fat I would assume

weak bolt
#

contracts + winnings

tawdry hamlet
#

that too

feral zodiac
#

He can also go into education

tawdry hamlet
#

considering he got like 200k in winnings last season as well

feral zodiac
#

He is only 20

weak bolt
#

Grand final winners was like what, 1mil? Even if players get 50%, thats still like a 50k+ bonus

wanton birch
#

Could he be swapping games possibly?

tawdry hamlet
#

doubt it

#

he wanted out for mental health concerns more than anything I believe

next mesa
#

no

weak bolt
#

He will probably play other games, but I suspect he just wants to be in Korea and not have the stress of pro environment

tawdry hamlet
#

must be sadge when your bros clear out of the team house and you just have an empty bed 😦

#

empty gamer stations 😦

#

cry

weak bolt
#

It's probably been known internally for a long time now

vagrant jacinth
weak bolt
#

Also aren't all the shock players at home now, not at team houses etc

tawdry hamlet
#

yes

#

but just in general

wanton birch
#

Even with ans gone , shock are still probably the best team

earnest leaf
#

This is still a massive blow

#

Losing arguably the best widow, and top tier ashe hurts

next mesa
#

more like

#

arguably best ashe top tier widow

#

okay ill stop

#

😔

feral zodiac
#

Wonder if he will ever consider coming back to overwatch professionally

vagrant jacinth
#

Dunked on everyone for a whole season and dipped

#

Fr though, wish them best and im hoping we'll see him again maybe next season

tawdry hamlet
#

Starting the season off with a top hitscan retiring, who would've thought 🧐🤔

#

History repeats itself AFrog

vagrant jacinth
#

Man, I'm sad

feral zodiac
#

When did it happen before?

trail perch
#

pine

feral zodiac
#

Oh

plush grail
#

is hitscan dps just so stressfull

digital cloud
#

ans gone?

#

damn

#

man was one of the best

vagrant jacinth
#

Yeah 😔

#

Absolute nut

digital cloud
#

I know how stressed he got, but he was probably one of the most mechanically gifted people I have ever seen

#

Cs:go, overwatch, crossfire, he would have been at the top

#

at least mechanically

vagrant jacinth
#

Totally

#

Health comes first so I'm happy he's not forcing himself to carry on

digital cloud
#

not a shock fan, but this hurts

#

he was incredibly good

#

not sure anyone can reach him next year

vagrant jacinth
#

I think all owl fans were big fans of ans

#

Such a likeable guy

silk frost
#

OH FUCK

#

I love him but it's sad to see him go

#

here's the real question though

#

is this enough to knock shock from #1

digital cloud
#

honestly, I think it could be if ashe is still meta

#

glister is good, but he is not ans

silk frost
#

no ans shock vs no fearless shanghai

#

who's better

worn falcon
#

houston

silk frost
#

don't do that

#

don't give me hope

worn falcon
#

as if houst have hope for this season

silk frost
#

;-;

worn falcon
digital cloud
#

already had it

#

Hari posted it earlier

worn falcon
#

oh shit

#

yeh

#

i saw the ans new first

#

aw

plush light
#

What the hell ans

#

I still love him

#

I am actually crying right now because of ans retirement

#

I can't handle it

vagrant jacinth
#

Genuinely sad to see him go

#

Power rankings in shambles

chilly obsidian
#

lol i have no esports investment. ans was one of my favorites tho

vagrant jacinth
#

Thats cool! Even a couple of my friends who aren't into owl loved ans

plush light
#

I hope he still streams

#

Anyone remember that profit clip on Busan playing ashe

#

In the finals

vagrant jacinth
#

I do, got me hype as fuck

dawn crescent
#

ans retired

#

man

plush light
#

The thing that inspired me to soft through on widow my entire life was pine's play on junkertown second point on widow in season one stage one finals

#

That play was why I bought the game

#

I love good widow play

tawdry hamlet
#

Oh yeah pine too, I was referring to corey but fair CATJAM

vagrant jacinth
#

This the play

true hound
#

Still makes me mad that Seoul would have taken that map

#

But fits decided to just

#

throw emp so hard

earnest leaf
#

They might of taken that round

#

But idk about the rest of the map

#

but that emp throw 100% threw the round

echo quest
#

Ans retired???? what the fuck

#

Man

#

This dude is the most disgusting hitscan I have scene

#

Well sad but not that expected

#

He’s been battling depression all season long

digital cloud
#

I genuinely wonder how most owl players would compare to top csgo players

#

but people like ans I didn't have to wonder

brisk socket
#

I’m gonna miss ans

echo quest
#

Dafran got dropped from xyp9x cs team

#

Cuz the dude was convinced dafran was cheating

#

Xyp9x went on to win 4 majors and become one of the best players in cs history

#

@digital cloud I think that should give you a solid answer

#

Plus Sinatraa got to Esea main at 14 which is pretty insane

feral zodiac
#

Probably

#

Most owl hitscans would probably do very well in cs

#

Cs aim is way slower than overwatch

true hound
#

aim-wise OW hitscan players would be by far better

#

but OW and CS play really differently anyways

#

even if they have good aim if they have no brain it wont help

#

ow players jumping ship to valorant was weird because not much is gonna transfer except aim, i guess

#

ye

#

sinatraa played CS beforehand anyways

#

his idol was stewie2k

tropic herald
#

I think some guy made a tier list of aim in games

#

Let me find it

#

Yeah this list

true hound
#

lul

wanton birch
#

im sorry but if dogman wants his podcast to do good he needs better co commentators or whatever they are called

tawdry hamlet
#

Tbf, I don't really like dogman enough to watch the show in the first place especially when I only follow overwatch e sports and it's kind of dead atm

wanton birch
#

dogman himself is pretty good but hes not enough to carry a channel or podcast

#

and his co hosts are horrible

tropic herald
#

He should try and get a deal of some sort with slmn

next mesa
#

It's actually a game that requires some aim

plush light
#

YOU KNOW THAT GAME!!!!!

#

#quickscope

plush light
next mesa
#

No deadass

plush light
#

No

next mesa
#

The hotboxes might be humongous

#

But with the amount of movement with bhopping

plush light
#

I played with like 20 times my ow sens in that game with an 80% winrate

tough summit
#

cant be bothered to turn on hardware acceleration to try it

plush light
#

Its just crosshair placement

plush light
next mesa
#

No u didn't play the game right

#

But it's okay

plush light
#

There is no flick in krunker

plush grail
#

so S tier is hardest to aim in

#

and D aiming is easy?

tropic herald
#

Its that yea

plush grail
#

that list is a absolute joke lmao

#

also aim not that impactful in csgo??

#

what

worn falcon
#

lol aimer

tawdry hamlet
#

Spray patterns and crosshair placement =/= aim

#

Hence why csgo aim isn't nearly as important as crosshair placement unless you are awping in which it is

tropic herald
#

i dont agree fully with the list but the guy is pretty much right

earnest leaf
#

the issue for OW is aim impact is dependent on meta heavily

tight hill
#

Why the hell is krunker on there?

#

That’s like the game we played on the laptops in middle school lmao

tawdry hamlet
earnest leaf
#

krunker aiming is the easiest thing in the world

next mesa
#

no its not

hot heart
#

I think Shanghai has the best dps line in OWL as of now

plucky tangle
#

krunker is very easy game to aim

next mesa
#

u can move really fast

#

u have to play like

#

more than 5 hours

plucky tangle
#

im level 60

#

ive played enough

next mesa
#

yeah so u would know that its harder than people think

true hound
#

even still the hitboxes are pretty forgiving

earnest leaf
#

so ans is not going to valorant

#

From his stream

echo quest
#

Def not, he retired from Pro OW cuz he couldn’t handle the mental stress

sullen berry
vagrant jacinth
#

What are your guys' thoughts on the fusion roster?

feral zodiac
#

Decent

#

Downgrade from last season though

#

Sado>Mano

vagrant jacinth
#

Mano could become amazing. I just don't think poko/mano is going to hold up

hot onyx
#

Not confirmed but rumour has it that fusion have made a bid on GaeBullSi from WGS Phoenix

#

Putting him with mano seems like it gives a better chance of winning than the poko-mano duo

plush grail
#

poko/mano might not be the best in game

#

but legit the most marketable tank duo in the league lmao

#

might not win games, but will sell merch

cedar oasis
#

Mano will win alone

#

He has one if the best support lines now

#

As long as poko is decent they will win

hot onyx
#

With mano on nyxl he played rather passive for most of last season, it’s just a case of wether or not ninek can bring out an aggressive side to him

#

Because that passive play style that served new york well in season one (and some parts of s2) is outdated

plush grail
#

didn't mano step up quite a bit with the agressiveness

#

im pretty sure he did

#

but the others just didn't

#

anamo is super passive

hot onyx
#

Well to be fair New York had imo some of the worst coaching staff in the league in season 3

#

The fact that Libero played more hitscan and main support than projectile that season says it all

plush grail
#

that was part because nenne probably wasn't performing well enough

hot onyx
#

Performing so bad that you need a projectile player on hitscan instead?

#

Nenne isn’t even close to a top level hitscan but he’s not a case like muma where he was so bad you’d need someone that specialises in an entirely different role to take his place

#

And new york still kept imt and whynot in the staff for season 4 so that’s their chances of a win out of the window of a 40 story apartment building

#

And libero hasn’t found a team and likely won’t for this season because his chances will have been hindered due to the absolute dogshit nyxl management

#

The only credit I can give is that they didn’t do some dumb shit in playoffs like put sbb on hog, hotba on zen and jjonak on sombra

#

But that’s not good coaching, that’s more common sense than “don’t touch the blades of a chainsaw when it’s turned on”

#

I could rant all day but I haven’t eaten anything yet so I’m gonna get some food before I die of malnutrition

cedar oasis
#

Wow

#

Atlanta had the worst coaching actualy

#

Also libero is a mid tier hitscan

feral zodiac
#

Wonder who had the worst org

#

Very hard question

#

No idea who it could be

#

I am really struggling here

#

Very difficult

cedar oasis
#

Vancouver

#

Overall

feral zodiac
#

Yes

#

By 1 million miles

next mesa
#

Mano is not worse than sado man

#

At the very least sidegrade

cedar oasis
#

Mano is better then sado

vagrant jacinth
#

Might be on par, can see him excel

next mesa
next mesa
#

but I agree

#

but I don't htink it's the coaching it's jsut nenne

plush light
#

Whats wrong with nenne? Aim, gamesense, synergy? Idk

cedar oasis
#

A bit of everything

#

Nyxl new dps line could be one of the best if they develop them well

trail perch
#

Also, anyone who is saying that nenne underperformed on hitscan, only looked at the players in, not the comp they played

plush light
#

?

trail perch
#

Libero playing hitscan was only was only for them to be able to run double projectile on other points and rounds

#

Especially when they ran libero whoru

#

Bc they would run Meicree on defense

#

And genji doom on attack

cedar oasis
#

Whoru kinda sucked

trail perch
#

Yeah

plush light
#

Everyone is talking about in playoffs how when the meta was double sniper libero played the widow

cedar oasis
#

His mei was worse then libero

trail perch
#

He wasn’t that good

#

Libero widow is top tier

#

Remember in s1

plush light
cedar oasis
#

And then they picked up haksal so he couldent play genji or doom

#

So he was basically useless

plush light
#

Whoru is fl0w3r 2.0

cedar oasis
#

No whoru

#

Whoru was worse then libero and haksal at everything

plush light
#

I mean why didn't they have libero play genji and doom

cedar oasis
#

They had haksal

#

Literally one of if not the best genji

#

And doom

plush light
#

Haksal mei is low key really good

#

The best genji and doom was sparkle

cedar oasis
#

That's debatable

plush light
#

Hot take - the best pharah is season one was fleta

#

Bumper is the best hanzo in the world

#

No argument against it

next mesa
#

it's profit

#

not really a question

plush light
#

His mastery of wall climb is unparalleled

next mesa
#

haksal mei is good yeah

cedar oasis
#

Its flow3r

#

2018 flow3r

next mesa
#

libero widow is not top tier lol wtf

#

he did okay

cedar oasis
#

Libero is mid tier hitscan

plush light
#

Did you know that bumper used to be a reaper main?

cedar oasis
#

Did you know jjonack has an older sister

#

I cant wait for the day 6 identical sextuplets form a team in owl and stomp everyone

next mesa
#

makes runaway synergy look like dogshit plat team that met eachother for the first time 😌

cedar oasis
#

They can all play every role so everyone's playstyle changes

tardy vigil
next mesa
#

not that debatable

#

as much as I hate to say it 😔

#

sparkle better

cedar oasis
#

Nah

#

Nyxl was worse

plush grail
#

just fuckin imagine

#

season 3 nyxl

#

with crusty coaching

tardy vigil
#

NO

cedar oasis
#

Imagine season 3 nyxl with good coaching

slow kraken
#

Y’all must be crazy

#

DDing is easily the best pharah

true hound
#

sdb

vagrant jacinth
hot heart
#

He'll be a great father

cedar oasis
#

The baby is a bit too young for that

hot heart
#

Huh lmao

silk frost
#

dude

#

is that aussie SBB

#

saebeaussie

prisma hornet
#

just wondering when owl starts

#

anyone know?

next mesa
#

April

prisma hornet
#

ok thank u

noble nexus
#

Life without OWL is pitiful 😔

silk frost
#

owl or tendies

earnest leaf
#

Also

#

No happy vs ans widow games

feral zodiac
#

:(

tight hill
#

Ans 😩

feral zodiac
#

Wait happy is on Houston wtf

#

What an upgrade

tight hill
#

Over linxir lmao

feral zodiac
#

Ye

tight hill
#

Wonder if and will ever come back

feral zodiac
#

Depends how his health progresses probably

vague mirage
#

df is that?

next mesa
#

It's the omg overwatch copied from tf2

vague mirage
#

.-.

#

go save ur game from bots

#

gtfo

slow lodge
#

How can I found out which teams switch to NA or APAC?

cobalt spoke
#

You cant

slow lodge
#

I know Philly went APAC, but idk what other teams switched

silk frost
#

Wait and see basically

fierce ferry
#

have the contenders skins been announced yet?

tawdry hamlet
#

There's no contenders this month

fierce ferry
#

😦

plush grail
#

hack into the owl coaches account to watch the scrims

#

just to feel something

hot onyx
#

This discussion has been rather dry so I’ll just ask what I believe to be an interesting topic

#

Until further announcements which team so far looks like they’re gonna be the worst team in the league?

vagrant jacinth
#

Vancouver by a mile

#

Idk anyone who hasn't put them last

plush grail
#

for some reason people put paris below titans

next mesa
#

Deserved

#

Fucking dogshit org

#

They should always be last

#

Forever

plush grail
#

calm down jamal dont pull out the nine

next mesa
#

Shotgun

#

Okay but like fr on paper paris is better than titans

plush grail
#

like the only good parts of the budget titans were shockwave and ksaa

#

and they let them go

#

shockwave prolly wanted more pay

next mesa
#

Yes

plush grail
#

but why the fuck

#

they dropped ksaa for frd

vagrant jacinth
#

Paris look bad too but not as bad as titans

raw ermine
#

Teru was a random pickup, thats potentially good

feral zodiac
raw ermine
#

titans imma guess

#

cause they broke up runaway

next mesa
#

Titans bruh

feral zodiac
#

Ye, was what I thought but it came right after someone mentioned paris lmao

weary meadow
#

e-sport is not a real sport

digital cloud
#

whether it is or not is irrelevant

feral zodiac
#

Lol

noble nexus
#

in what sense is it not a real sport

#

by definition it is

digital cloud
#

don't fall for the bait

noble nexus
#

oh yeah I know they're baiting but just curious

plush grail
plush light
#

Frd, Dalton, and linkzr could be good. Shredlocked has potential

tawdry hamlet
#

Frd Dalton Linkzr VS Ellivote Onigod Naga on good ping I'd easily take onigod over Linkzr tbh

#

Onigod underrated af and

next mesa
#

Onigod was dunking on linkzr

#

In trials

tawdry hamlet
next mesa
#

Although benbest says soon still better

tawdry hamlet
#

Soon is cracked FUCKYEAH

#

Soon is just such a good all around hitscan like Heesu

#

Not a specialist on anything

#

But like all around upper mid

#

He has an upper mid widow tracer and ashe myman

silk frost
#

So good aim

#

The old man can click

tawdry hamlet
#

Who is the current oldest player? Is it soon?

#

He's 26

#

Missing boomer cool Matt 😎

tropic herald
#

Probably Neptune

#

Neptuno

tawdry hamlet
#

28 myman

#

Didn't even realize how many teams he's been on

silk frost
#

Neptuno

tawdry hamlet
#

Funny he's obviously still good if he keeps finding teams but he never really stood out to me.

raw ermine
#

philly charge and paris

worn falcon
silk frost
#

what a player what a STAR

tight hill
#

What?

raw ermine
#

probably an OWL commentator quote

tight hill
#

Oh the Eqo blade?

raw ermine
#

not sure

tight hill
next mesa
#

Yes the eqo blade

tight hill
#

ok that was hard to pick up on now

mint acorn
#

hey guys im new here

#

what ranks are you guys

next mesa
#

Bronze

#

My Sr is 496

balmy wolf
#

lol so bad

#

im 560 like a good player would be

hot heart
#

Im >500

raw ermine
#

I average 7k sr on each of my 4 accounts

#

so high that you don't see me on t500

#

you gotta scroll up a lot

hot heart
#

The pinacle of gaming

next mesa
#

What a gamer

#

Yznas only fear

vagrant jacinth
#

Owl gamers are scared to face him

balmy wolf
#

buy it

plush grail
#

and a support line that isn't willing to switch to ana mercy just for him OMEGAFLUSHED

next mesa
#

Tell that to his 3 accounts in top 10

plush grail
#

no

tawdry hamlet
#

Lowkey he is the best pharah second only to like profit and a tiny bit of othet pharahs imo, not that being a top pharah is really a great position considering the limited ability of her kit but it would be nice to see more of him just to watch him try to force pharah in owl

raw ermine
#

dding my boi

tawdry hamlet
#

I forgot dding existed pepesweat2

feral zodiac
#

Ttuba has a really good pharah as well

hot heart
#

Ye

#

Yznsa would fuck in OWL if it was a pharah meta

next mesa
#

He would be a one trick

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

His echo isn't bad tbh

silk frost
#

dding > god himself > an AI designed to perfectly play pharah and preform in any scenario > yznas

hot heart
#

Yep

plush grail
#

if he ever had to switch

#

it'd be a instant lose

#

if they know yznsa is in

#

just switch to a anti pharah comp

#

and the map is lost

next mesa
#

If she's meta

#

They just lose

plush grail
next mesa
#

The other team

#

If she's meta u just have to play het

#

Her*

#

Now

plush grail
#

IF she's meta

next mesa
#

Idk how that will ever happen

plush grail
#

but pharah is just

#

never meta

#

way too easy to counter

next mesa
#

But that's also the only reason why I see yzna playing so

plush grail
#

as a pharah main myself

#

now and then you can force her

#

and win

#

but 70% of the time you either have to switch o

#

or you have to play like budget junkrat

feral zodiac
#

Only time pharah was gonna be meta was multi dps

#

Now she would need either a huge buff or all hitscans would need big nerfs

hot heart
#

Dude isn't great on anything other than the pharah by OWL standards

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean he played pharah into other gauntlet hitscans and didn't feed much

#

But once they hit a better team that could hit their shots he was donezo

#

But I think dubai losing was more team dif than yzn diff tbh

feral zodiac
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Remember yznsa on avoided

hot heart
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Ye