esports-discussion

[next mesa]

idk man

[plush grail]

imo just make his grasp not give him shield at all

[silk frost]

I was making a joke with the rip tire thing, I'm more so concerned with how many bongo's will be coming out, it'd buff orisa more and kill Rein

[next mesa]

facts facts

[plush grail]

just fuckin remove sig and orisa please

[silk frost]

Sig shield is the only problem area with barriers. Remove it and you can re-buff orisa and rein shields to how they used to be, back when poke comps weren't just "sit back for 5 hours and then put a shield down oh its dead" but "hey we have a shield that isnt tissue"

[plush grail]

do whatever we need to do to make dive meta again

dive was fun

[cobalt spoke]

Goats existed

[silk frost]

Sig would have a nice like old orisa with orisa, the 1st point 2cp/hybrid tank that you IMMEDIATELY swap off

[cobalt spoke]

???

[silk frost]

If you remove his barrier

[plush grail]

make sigma swedish

should be more balanced

[silk frost]

Truuuu

[slow kraken]

Doom is supposedly a counter to ball

[digital cloud]

How would you remove sigma’s shield without murdering him forever?

Maybe with gravity themed thing he can pull damage towards him

[slow kraken]

Remove sigmas shield and he’s never gonna be used again

[digital cloud]

Pretty much what I thought

You would have to rework him somehow

[slow kraken]

Sigma is fine

It’s just that he can work in any meta

[digital cloud]

Most useful offtank by far

[slow kraken]

He’s very versatile

[digital cloud]

Extremely versatile

[cobalt spoke]

He does, thing is literally everything else in the meta counters doom

[digital cloud]

Mei counters ball too

[cobalt spoke]

Same thing with mei

[digital cloud]

Which is why there is more use for her now

Mei sombra should annihilate ball most of the time

[cobalt spoke]

Yea it should

[digital cloud]

Not the best combo though

[cobalt spoke]

If the game was isolated like that

[slow kraken]

Sombra is just as versatile as sigma

[cobalt spoke]

And its not

[slow kraken]

Sombra works is almost every meta

[digital cloud]

Sombra is not versatile so much as has an “op” ability

[cobalt spoke]

Most of the time your going to be taking the ball sigma mirror

And if you have mei sombra with that your just going to play too slow to keep up with your ball

1 dps needs to do that

[slow kraken]

Ball can do whatever he wants to

[cobalt spoke]

Yea

[slow kraken]

He doesn’t really need much of a team

[digital cloud]

What would be a good ball nerf

Other than the shield thing

[cobalt spoke]

Other main tank buffs

[digital cloud]

Because that is stupid

Then we get new op tank problems

We just need ow2 to drop with more tanks

Need to dilute the pool a bit

[cobalt spoke]

Dropping more tanks before we even fix current issues isnt good

[slow kraken]

Brawl is a fun meta

[digital cloud]

New tanks make new issues anyway

[cobalt spoke]

Exactly

[digital cloud]

But I think more overlap between tanks like dota or league can make tanks a bit healthier

[cobalt spoke]

When has a new tank not caused a new playstlyle

[slow kraken]

Making brawl a main meta would be fun but would need rein and or lucio buffs

[digital cloud]

Not Lucio buffs

Not again

[cobalt spoke]

He judt needs to get ult faster

To actually outpace some of the other ults in the game

Then he'll be fine

[slow kraken]

You know getting a 6K boop only gets you 64% ult charge

[digital cloud]

Wait, only a bit more than 10% a kill?

[slow kraken]

I think I have it saved

[digital cloud]

Isn’t it usually about 15% a kill?

[slow kraken]

Lemme get the accurate number

It was 66%

[digital cloud]

11 then

[slow kraken]

But that doesn’t include the passive

I can send it to u if u want

[digital cloud]

No thanks

Lucio when strong is oppressive

I think having slower charge is a benefit

[slow kraken]

I think the ult charge is health dependent

Like a rein boop got 14%

[earnest leaf]

Nah lucio I think needs his ult to charge faster

Especially when other support options provide so much

A zen is gonna give a huge damage increase with a fast charging ult

Brig gives top tier peel and rally which makes your team really hard to kill

Mercy gives res and a nice dmg boost

Lucio just gives speed, and that isn't enough of a benefit to be a better choice

[worn falcon]

damn london with those teasers

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1343618187519086592?s=20

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

4. When times were looking bleak or dark
   London fans provided, 'The Spark'

https://t.co/NDm0OiYuyD

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Twitter · Dec 28, 2020, 6:01 PM

[tropic herald]

wow i wonder who this one is

[worn falcon]

the especulation is SparkR from BH

[cedar oasis]

No

Its obviously someone from hangzhou spark

[silk frost]

Finally London will sign Guxue

[cedar oasis]

Its actualy Architect

[tough wharf]

it's boink

[tawdry hamlet]

Man budget concerns have allowed so many shitters to get picked up over really good players for s4

[obtuse socket]

I am getting depression from lack of sbb 👍🏿

[tawdry hamlet]

me with seominsoo

[silk frost]

rate my hot takes

[cobalt spoke]

Are these all the main tank players?

Put smurf up to S

Also who is that spark player in S?

@silk frost look above

[silk frost]

sorry I was looking away for a sec

Guxue

[cobalt spoke]

???

[silk frost]

I don't think Smurf is S tier, I only really like his monkey and horse

[cobalt spoke]

He is the best orisa and tied for first on monkey

He also is pretty good at ball

[silk frost]

hard disagree on the monkey thing personally

[cobalt spoke]

Ok than #2

Still

[silk frost]

I don't rate his ball that high

[cobalt spoke]

Its still above average

[silk frost]

yeah noticably above average

but around 5th or 6th

like Rio, Mano, Fate, Gaga, and Ameng are probably better

imo

[cobalt spoke]

Ok

Why is sado sobup high on the list

[silk frost]

that's my hottest take tho don't worry most of my takes aren't that bad

Sado is super well rounded and poops on people

[cobalt spoke]

He is a good rein, but is a worse ball, orisa and winston than smurf

Put sado at like #4

[obtuse socket]

Bro I literally do not know 90% of these players by face

And you make a tier list like that

[cobalt spoke]

Where is this tierlist

[obtuse socket]

This one

[cobalt spoke]

No where can I rank them myself @silk frost

[silk frost]

https://tiermaker.com/create/overwatch-league-2020-main-tanks-539578

I actually think Sado is on the same winston level OR HIGHER than Smurf

that's my 2nd hot take

[obtuse socket]

I’ve completely forgotten how good mt players are but I feel like most players that are good at rein aren’t good at winston and vice versa

[earnest leaf]

Smurf not S tier?

[obtuse socket]

Actually I think mano is pretty good at both

[earnest leaf]

also I would put nosmite at D tier

His monkey turbo fed and looked pretty bad

[cobalt spoke]

@silk frost wellits wrong

In literally every winston meta when sado and smurf went head to head sado fed so much harder

[silk frost]

fair enough

I will disagree though still think Sado is better than Smurf

Particularly because idk if Smurf knows that Rein exists lol

[earnest leaf]

why play smurf on rein when super is on the roster

and I think the small bits we saw of smurf's rein he looked fine

[next mesa]

Fearless and Smurf S tier winston

[worn falcon]

ill delete muma from that list

[cobalt spoke]

Ok I'm not ranking all the main tanks

[silk frost]

can I say super S tier monkey and not get booly'd

[worn falcon]

i feel OGE is B at much

[cobalt spoke]

But all I know is that smurf sado and fearless are the obvoius 3 best main tanks

[cobalt spoke]

No

super isnt an s tier monkey

Smurf is just simply built different

[next mesa]

I like how marve1 isn't there

:/

[tawdry hamlet]

I think gator too low, fusions too high, and who tf is the tiny head in gladiators jersey

[feral zodiac]

Super doesn't play monkey in owl

He has no reason to

[cedar oasis]

Wait

You put fate above mano

You can tell this list is wrong because muma is not at the bottum

Did you put fusions over oge

[mortal abyss]

Sado is probably the best all-round main tank

[cedar oasis]

No

Mano

Sado ball

[mortal abyss]

Mano didn’t have a great season

[cedar oasis]

He was top 5

[mortal abyss]

• we never got to properly see sado’s ball

[cedar oasis]

Didnt have a great season and was top 5

[mortal abyss]

Even so

[cedar oasis]

Sado Winston is also meh

[mortal abyss]

?

Sado went head to head with smurf and never looked like the reason philly were losing

Btw: did we ever see super vs sado rein in a match?

[cloud latch]

I think on kings row before

[mortal abyss]

Probably

Sad we never saw philly vs shock in meicree

That would of been amazing

[cedar oasis]

Sado is worse because he needs one of the best support lines to be good

Mano doesnt

Nyxl support was meh

And he was top5

[mortal abyss]

We can’t say that for sure, we don’t know how much sado individually improved and how much was alarm and Astro being better then boom box Neptuno

As in

How much of a factor in his improvement was having a better support line

[cedar oasis]

Alot

[mortal abyss]

We will probably see next season

[cedar oasis]

He had 2 seasons of trash

As soon as alarm turns up becomes top 5

[mortal abyss]

Philly as a team didn’t know how to play goats

And if a team is bad it’s extremely hard for the main tank to look good.

[cedar oasis]

Mano

Nyxl was middle tier team

And mano was top 5

[mortal abyss]

“Extremely hard” (not impossible)nyxl had decent supports.

I still think Mano is a really good main tank though

[cedar oasis]

So did philly season 1 and 2

Decent

[mortal abyss]

Sado didnt play much in season 1 + my previous point about how@philly as an entire team didn’t know how to play goats

[cedar oasis]

I just dont trust sado

[mortal abyss]

We will see next season if it was alarm + Astro that was the difference tbh

I do understand your point

[cedar oasis]

Look at all the teams with top 5 mt and their supports

And then theres mano

The Chad

[mortal abyss]

Lol

I think Mano looking good/bad next season is a 50/50

Because apparently he doesn’t know any English... which could be a huge detriment considering the majority of philly is western now

[earnest leaf]

We'll get a proper gauge of sado this upcoming season

Since he won't be backed by a super top tier team

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean tbf we have never seen shock tank line without top tier support line

Their s3 tank line that is

So who knows how differently sado and smurf match up with a meh support line like Crimzo paintbrush

[mortal abyss]

What is Toronto’s support line again?

Aztec and someone else wasn’t it

[tawdry hamlet]

Aztec and imsoonjae? I think?

Ansoonjae

That guy

Was on element mystic

[digital stump]

they should add a skin to every character in overwatch thats only obtainable by people who play in 2020 and its called COVID-19 and the only addition is a doctor mask added to their face

[cobalt spoke]

Neither Mano nor sado are the best main tank

Smurf is the best main tank

[tawdry hamlet]

Most main tanks are missing one of the tanks so it is hard to compare

[mortal abyss]

“All round”

[cobalt spoke]

Ahh

Smurt still maybe

[mortal abyss]

We haven’t seen enough smurf rein for us to judge but yeah

[tawdry hamlet]

I think they are pretty even other than maybe smurf having the better monkey

[mortal abyss]

To think Boston could have had smurf striker and crusty if huk wasnt an idiot

[hot heart]

He fucked it up and now he has to live with the consequences

[cobalt spoke]

Smurf and sado? Smurf has a better ball and orisa too

[tawdry hamlet]

They both have pretty mid balls lowkey

Smurf a little better though

[cobalt spoke]

And then smurf is literally the best oricha

No contest

[tawdry hamlet]

I think sado got super hyped up from rein play and then only performed above average for the rest

Or mid

[true hound]

no best orisa

anyone can play orisa

impossible to judge

[tawdry hamlet]

But bro you have to press w and e !

Big skill

The only skilled main tank is monkey and ball and we all know it

But everyone acts like insane reins are the best players ever when the skill ceiling is so insanely low

I think the shot calling and impact of main tank is important and obviously takes game sense and all that but mechanically I think it's the easiest role

But to me orisa feels like a role anyone with gm game sense could manage, kind of like in goats where dps transitioned to zarya super easily

I have dropped hot take

Well actually thinking about it, if orisa is so ez why are there some dogshit ass Orisas like muma

[next mesa]

smurf has a good ball wdym

[tawdry hamlet]

Levy im trying to shit on main tanks because I dislike shock stop being logical

I refuse to accept defeat and like the best team

[tropic herald]

Tanks look bad on Orisa bc they don’t like playing the hero and she def requires a lot of teamwork to get meaningful value from pulls and stuff

[tawdry hamlet]

Agree, orisa kind of mad boring to play even for a main tank

[tropic herald]

So if maybe your off tank can’t hit pull rocks for shit it makes your Orisa look like they can’t get good pulls to untrained eyes

It could still be shit pulls though

[tawdry hamlet]

Missing when pull could drag people an absurd distance

Also missing when halt was op

Halt used to be so good

[shy sun]

Best Orisa is Fissure

Also, does this channel talk about collegiate teams.

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean we could if anyone actually cared about sub t2 teams

[shy sun]

Aerux used to follow UK collegiate teams

[tropic herald]

There isn’t much talk about collegiate here

[tawdry hamlet]

My bf is on a collegiate team sponsored by justice

[shy sun]

I'l start.

[tawdry hamlet]

But their best player is only ex contenders ms

[shy sun]

Ball retired after burnout from carrying Masters UK players

[mortal abyss]

really?!

[shy sun]

Yes

[mortal abyss]

Wow lmfao

[shy sun]

I heard they dropped his salary from a Invaders packet to Wotsits

[mortal abyss]

Collegiate Overwatch is a really cool concept for me

[shy sun]

Collegiate is where the golds go to make fame

[mortal abyss]

I've watched like

3 hours of collegiate overwatch

total

[tawdry hamlet]

Mikeyy the ex boston main support is on a college team now

[shy sun]

Wow, you're a strong-willed person

[mortal abyss]

Do you know where i can watch Vods?

[shy sun]

I couldn't watch the Manchester team without our Team C going 0-5

[tawdry hamlet]

I meant tank I think

Ah I am thinking of halo

That is who I meant

So many people that just leave my mind the second they leave owl

[shy sun]

Omg

I need to make a collegiate team from this discord.

$28k in the pool right now.

[mortal abyss]

Wouldn't we all have to go to the same uni?

[tropic herald]

Isn’t Crakin on a Collegiate team

[shy sun]

I can get £200 by the end and get myself a lifetime supply of Haribos

[tropic herald]

Yea he’s on Maryville

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah maryville is supposedly the shock of collegiate in terms of roster power iirc

Stacked

A ton of ex academy team players

[noble nexus]

cursed

[fringe thicket]

what match was this?

[noble nexus]

s1 against dallas

I just found a clip off that game again in a compilation video lmao

[fringe thicket]

oh okay

[raw ermine]

It was the akm blade match

Both super zen and akm blade happened in one match

[vagrant jacinth]

A legend

[karmic grotto]

Tf

[fringe thicket]

no, super was on orisa that game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TrRAOZKHxA&feature=emb_logo

check out 1:38:19 during that same vid btw

[cedar oasis]

Shock is cock

[shy sun]

Shock matches are sleeper.

London v Paris 👀

[raw ermine]

super plays zen on a different map

[noble nexus]

super zen was on junkertown

[wanton birch]

Is kevster the strongest ladder player ?

[next mesa]

Danteh maybe

[tropic herald]

Viol2t

[cedar oasis]

Xepher

[true hound]

probably Kevster

[feral zodiac]

Viol2t easily

The man is 4.6k+ on all 3 roles

[true hound]

same w/ kev tho

[cobalt spoke]

Has kevster ever been rank 1 overall?

[true hound]

yeah if u mean combined

this season and last i think lmao

[feral zodiac]

Viol2t does it on west coast though

Playing against other owl players

[true hound]

kev plays EU tho

there r still plenty of strong EU OWL and contenders players

they r both ranked warlords

[plush light]

The best ranked player to get on your team is danteh

[noble nexus]

danteh is pretty good on the ladder

[raw ermine]

omg I was watching plat chat and I misheard johnny say "fissure got signed to the spitfire as an assistant coach" LMAOOO

oh they referrenced it lol

still

[silk frost]

My hot take is that Danteh will flop

[cedar oasis]

Dam

Danteh will be good on his 2 heros he plays

[silk frost]

trombra

[raw ermine]

his echo is good

[cedar oasis]

3

Even ans plays 3 heros

[mortal abyss]

Didn't ans play sombra tho

[earnest leaf]

For a small time yea

[cedar oasis]

thats the 3

widow ash sombra

[silk frost]

cree

4

[cobalt spoke]

He also played mei that one time

And was actually fairly good at the hero which is intriguing

Also ofcourse he plays tracer in ranked sometimes

Even if he doesnt in the league because striker is on the team

We expected ANS to be a widow otp and hes gone beyond that, im proud

[next mesa]

Should stick to widow and ashe

His ashe is the best honestly

Widow u got like diem, fits, don't really know

But his ashe just monstrous

[true hound]

u forgetting KSP

KSP carried LAV the whole season with his Ashe

he made everyone play ashe in the first place

[cobalt spoke]

KSP isnt a better hitscan than ANS though

[true hound]

nah

[cobalt spoke]

He was close

[true hound]

They’re equal

they’re both insanely good

[cobalt spoke]

Probably high tier

[true hound]

if KSP has a better team he’d probably destroy everyone

LAV was on his back

[cobalt spoke]

I dont think so

[true hound]

He already destroyed with LAV anyways

or at least carried

24/7

him and shax

[cobalt spoke]

Hes still just not better than ANS, he was close but still losing the widow duel the last time they came in contact

[true hound]

when did they even verse

kind of hard to win the widow duel when your entire team is being destroyed lmao

ksp and decay not getting mvp nomination but xzi does is some pepega shit

[next mesa]

Idk look

Ksp isn't korean

End of discussion

[true hound]

smh

i hope we get to see more birdring widow

next szn

[next mesa]

Decay not getting mvp nomination was right

[true hound]

why

[next mesa]

I mean look he played for like

2/3 of the season

[true hound]

and xzi played how kuch compared to that

[next mesa]

Not even

2/3

About

[true hound]

he was only gone for like 4 weeks was he not

[next mesa]

But they won summer showdown

Idk man

Eileen got mvp nomination

But not smurf

So

[true hound]

lul

[next mesa]

Weirdod

Weirdos*

[true hound]

profit shoulda won grand finals mvp 💯💯

[plush grail]

SBB gonna bench profit

[mortal abyss]

Personally i thought Void was going to get MVP over fleta

[slow kraken]

I’m pretty sure they only put xzi in there so someone on Paris was there

I mean fuel

I mean Paris

[mortal abyss]

lmfao

[slow kraken]

I mean one person from each top team should be on there

[cobalt spoke]

Except shock

Shock should have like 4

[rigid coral]

profit is my 2021 mvp

[blazing void]

When does the next Overwatch League season start pls?

[next mesa]

sbb is worse than profit at everything

except sombra

which they have fits for

[vagrant jacinth]

Yeah, didn't expect them to pick up sbb when they had profit

[tawdry hamlet]

Sometime like spring

I'd look towards about April but depending on how the year goes it could be anywhere

If someone could get finals profit and fits and gesture year round

Then they could have the best team in the league

I think not having a true main tank really hurt them tho

I wish last season dallas did better

They had good dps and everyone else was just kind of there

[feral zodiac]

I feel like sbb is there as a leader

[wanton birch]

i dont know if this is controversial or not but i feel NAs standings will be different week by week. By the end of the season i presume the shock, glads and dallas will be at the top but its gonna look like it can go anyway with the top 7 teams

[vagrant jacinth]

Honestly, there's a lot of incredible and exciting rosters so I could see it happen

[iron crater]

Can I make my own owl token code, or is that something exclusive to teams

[next mesa]

bruh

teams

(I think)

[cobalt spoke]

This kindof stuff never applies to shock though does it?

Madge

I'm just salty

[karmic grotto]

fake news

you're not salty, he's a contenders player

[silk frost]

Unless yubo is salty

[mortal abyss]

Yeah I really don’t know why Seoul picked up sbb

Maybe for sombra?

[tawdry hamlet]

fits covers sombra

I think they just wanted him I guess

for leadership or maybe good trials

otherwise no idea

[vagrant jacinth]

Oh, that's true

[feral zodiac]

Probably had good trials

[plush grail]

Nah I remember seeing somewhere that seoul just reached out to him

SBB was kinda confused because he assumed his career was over

It was from one of his streams but he deleted the vods

Seoul probably was planning on picking up anamo but also just decided to get SBB

[hot heart]

Yeah

Read that somewhere

[primal minnow]

I mean without tobi they don’t have the leadership figure anymore so I’m guessing SBB will be that now for Seoul

[ornate quest]

[mortal abyss]

Bottom 5 teams this year?

[next mesa]

Titans Spitfire

Uh

Idk

Reign outlaws boston

[balmy wolf]

here's vol2t response to being asked if he well miss moth. https://clips.twitch.tv/SourBlazingDiscTBTacoLeft

[tawdry hamlet]

didn't reign just second place winter ball over valiant and mayhem?

to me, bottom is titan outlaws paris london valiant

[vagrant jacinth]

I got titans, outlaws, nyxl, Paris and boston

[tawdry hamlet]

hmm idk nyxl dps line could carry them above chengdu tbh

[wanton birch]

Cant wait for glads to be tied with shock for the start of the season until their first loss which will be against Boston

[digital cloud]

I think probably boston, london, paris, outlaws, and toronto

reign, titans, or dallas would also be contenders

[cedar oasis]

Toronto have fury

[digital cloud]

yeah, but they have been forgettable previously

don't have super high hopes for them yet

but fury is a good start

[cedar oasis]

Atlanta is defanitly below Toronto

[cloud latch]

toronto has fury?

[cedar oasis]

Sado and fury

[cloud latch]

I thought justice has fury

[digital cloud]

atlanta beat mayhem and valiant in the recent winter thingy

they maybe be bad

I will admit

[plush grail]

why does he sound sarcastic lmaoo

[digital cloud]

but I think that makes it less likely for bottom 5

but they can still easily be bottom 5

[cedar oasis]

Atlanta will disappoint again

[digital cloud]

yeah, not hyping them this time

if they get above mid I will be surprised

[plush grail]

atlanta is fucking always hyped up

even if they get bottom tier results

people hype them up so much

[digital cloud]

they did have a decent first season

plus they had dafran and stuff

[cloud latch]

their dps is so good pepehands

[digital cloud]

people liked that I think

[cedar oasis]

No

Their dps disapointed last season

[digital cloud]

they should have played erster

[cedar oasis]

After babybey left they fell apart

[digital cloud]

now dragons have him

babybay was not that great

he was ok

[cedar oasis]

He was good

[digital cloud]

I mean, he wasn't the worst hitscan player

but he was not in the top 10 or anything

[plush grail]

reign is obviously top 3

[cedar oasis]

He was upper mid tier

[cloud latch]

yikes

[digital cloud]

I can sort of agree with that

[cedar oasis]

Edison was poo

[digital cloud]

I would say closer to middle of mid tier

edison was decent, not sure who you were watching

[cedar oasis]

They only looked good against bad teams

[digital cloud]

that is true

[cedar oasis]

Who had bad dps

[digital cloud]

their dps could compete against higher tier

the problem was that the team had no coordination

bad coaching

[plush grail]

atlanta is so bad tho

[digital cloud]

also dogman

dogman was there

this year though, they don't look much improved

[plush grail]

dogman > moth

[mortal abyss]

They took shock shock philly and eternal (post summer showdown) to map 5 but were never able to beat a top team, apart from playoffs

[digital cloud]

pelican is a god, but otherwise

yeah, they definitely slumped a lot last year

[cedar oasis]

They looked good once every 30 games

[mortal abyss]

And even then, paris weren't that good in playoffs

[digital cloud]

no genji meta

or doom

[plush grail]

im just gonna rank atlanta just above paris

they're garbo

but not bottom 3

bottom 3 is for titans, paris and london

[cedar oasis]

Boston actualy

[mortal abyss]

nah

[cedar oasis]

Will be below paris

[plush grail]

nah boston will be mid i think

[balmy wolf]

bruh they are upper half

[mortal abyss]

Boston look pretty good rn

[digital cloud]

boston had few changes, right?

[plush grail]

dont lie

[mortal abyss]

yeah

[plush grail]

boston made some good changes

[digital cloud]

how are they gonna compete with the massive improvements other teams made

[cedar oasis]

They got stand1

[balmy wolf]

wtf do you mean even in a dissapointing season they were 12

[digital cloud]

stand1 was bad on his team

[balmy wolf]

they look better now

[digital cloud]

they never wanted to use him

[balmy wolf]

fixed their lacks

[mortal abyss]

oops wrong message

[plush grail]

bruh stand1 had to share time with fearless

[digital cloud]

plus there is only a matter of time before one of them is a confirmed pedophile

[mortal abyss]

lol

[cedar oasis]

They have 3 or 4 good pieces

[digital cloud]

the clock is ticking

[cedar oasis]

Soon stand1 and myunbong

Maybey im37

Maybey

[digital cloud]

myungbong is the only one of those that impresses me

[mortal abyss]

Punk

[digital cloud]

and im37 now

[balmy wolf]

boston is still at the bottom imo

[digital cloud]

the rest are not too impressive to me so far

[balmy wolf]

better than before but still

[digital cloud]

then again, if the games are on lan

there might be big differences this time around

[mortal abyss]

Stand1 didn't have playtime because he was benched for one of the best main tanks last year

[digital cloud]

other teams also have top tier mts now

[plush grail]

stand1 was on the same team as void and fearless

[digital cloud]

muze

mag

ga9a or whatever

[mortal abyss]

gaga

[digital cloud]

or is he ot

[mortal abyss]

hes mt

[cedar oasis]

Boston have 2 top tier players and the rest are middle or low tier

[plush grail]

idc, stand1 is decent but he's still shit compared to ameng

[digital cloud]

ameng the yottachad

[mortal abyss]

You an ameng stan?

understandable

[plush grail]

wdym ameng stan

it's called common sense smh

[digital cloud]

there is no not stanning ameng

[mortal abyss]

...right

[digital cloud]

to live is to understand the brilliance that is ameng

[cedar oasis]

Is stand1 a carry main tank or one like fate where you need a good team to do well

[digital cloud]

not sure

[plush grail]

idk he never played lmao

[digital cloud]

didn't see him much at all

probably like fate

[mortal abyss]

He played quite a bit of Orisa last year didn't he?

[plush grail]

you either played fearless who was one of if not the best mt or stand1

[cedar oasis]

Either way the best Boston will be is very low mid tier

And that's if everything goes right

[mortal abyss]

I still put them above Titans London and Paris

[plush grail]

and thats IF they dont get a 3rd pedo on the roster

[cedar oasis]

Yea

If

[digital cloud]

they already have one

[mortal abyss]

London and Paris are both on 140ping

[digital cloud]

what do you mean

[cedar oasis]

Paris could be good

[digital cloud]

they don't not have one already

this is boston

[mortal abyss]

and titans are.... titans, will be even worse without shockwave to carry.

[digital cloud]

thought he went to philly

ah

[cedar oasis]

He did

[mortal abyss]

mistype

[cedar oasis]

Cockwave

London will be better then titans

[mortal abyss]

Titans are probably #20

[cedar oasis]

Defanitly #20

[digital cloud]

without fearless, what happens to shanghai, I wonder

[cedar oasis]

They get worse

[digital cloud]

they have god tier dps and supports still

[cedar oasis]

Fate is not a carry mt

[digital cloud]

should have got fissure smh

[balmy wolf]

fearless aswell

[cedar oasis]

Fearless did carry

[balmy wolf]

idk about that

[cedar oasis]

He did

On Winston

[balmy wolf]

winston lol

[cedar oasis]

Monke

[balmy wolf]

3% playtime

[cedar oasis]

He played it alot

Lmao

[next mesa]

Fate is more solid and versatile than fearless

[balmy wolf]

^^

[next mesa]

Fearless has higher peaks and is a playmaker though

Depends depends

[cedar oasis]

Shanghai have to rely on the dps to carry now

Or void

[balmy wolf]

support carry

their support line is cracked

[plush grail]

shanghai washed

[digital cloud]

maybe shanghai just needed the money for selling fearless off

dallas org doesn't need money

even after all the buy ins

[next mesa]

Dragons are rich

[digital cloud]

didn't know that

who owns them

[plush grail]

china

[cedar oasis]

Nice

Just

China

[next mesa]

China is rich

Therefore dragons rich

[cedar oasis]

Makes sense

[trail perch]

Tf r u smoking

They have michelle and Sado

Justice has fury and mag and are EASILY the better team

Sado's going to be shit without alarm and astro supporting him

[cedar oasis]

Yes

[trail perch]

and michelle took a bench role to a MT last year

toronto bottom 5

[cedar oasis]

But Toronto wont be bottom 5

[trail perch]

Reign above them

[cedar oasis]

No

[trail perch]

Rein stompt valiant and mayhem

[cedar oasis]

In a show match

[trail perch]

Hawk and Gator showed new life

[cedar oasis]

Reign will disappoint

[trail perch]

Your saying that based on what?

[cedar oasis]

There last year

[trail perch]

Results last season dont really mean anything

Look at shock s1

and s2

Look at NYXL s2

[cedar oasis]

Shock have crust

Nyxl was good season 1 and 2

[trail perch]

Teams can change with minimal roster changes

Yes NYXL was number 2 seed s2

and look at s3

Look at london s1 vs s2

[cedar oasis]

Atlanta will still disappoint

[trail perch]

Teams can get better or worse based on minimal changes, and the look we saw from the reign at the winter ball was nothing to scoff at or place bottom 5

Especially when even on paper the valiant look MUCH worse

[next mesa]

ansoonjae and aztac

might be better than alarm and funnyastro

no cap

[cedar oasis]

What

Atlanta will still disappoint

They wont be bottum 5

[balmy wolf]

look at his name lol

[cedar oasis]

But they will be bad

It's hard to be worse then the titans

[balmy wolf]

1 game that didnt even matter wtf

you high?

[next mesa]

Outlaw Reign Spitfire Titans

bottom 4

[cedar oasis]

Atlanta always beat the bottom 5

They struggle against any mid tier team

[cedar oasis]

What do you smoke

[balmy wolf]

they gonna beat dallas

wait for it

[next mesa]

mid tier teams are way better now

they wont be able to beat dallas now

glads

[cedar oasis]

Atlanta will take shock to 5 maps

Then lose to outlaws

[balmy wolf]

glads better than dallas

reign between

[cedar oasis]

No

Dallas stomp reign

Easily

[mortal abyss]

Glads have btter support line

[balmy wolf]

nah

[mortal abyss]

Lmfao i just saw your name haha

[cedar oasis]

Dallas are better then reign in every role

[next mesa]

dallas stomp reign lol

[cedar oasis]

And teamwork wise

[next mesa]

wtf

[balmy wolf]

im sure

[cedar oasis]

Has any other team had a pedo on it other then Boston

Twice

[raw ermine]

effect's kinda weird, but not a pedo

not to mention he was off the fuel when he said those weird things, and he didn't get kicked

[cedar oasis]

Well he was the carry

[raw ermine]

not any more, he wasn't

[cedar oasis]

Dreamzkazper more like teengrazper

[trail perch]

Also why r yall rating paris so high?

Like they r easy bottom 5

[next mesa]

who rated paris high?

lmao what are you on

[trail perch]

No one mentioned them for bottom 5

[next mesa]

oh wait my bottom 4

oops forgot to put paris

they are worse than spitfire

[trail perch]

How could reign be worse than paris?

[next mesa]

did you not read what I said bruh

worse than spitfire

second worse team

[trail perch]

Yeah so does that make reign bottom 6?

Worse than like valiant?

[cedar oasis]

They are pretty similar

Atlanta are inconsistent

[next mesa]

at least valiant has ksp and shax

[cedar oasis]

Atlanta lost their best player

[plush light]

Pelican is a god though

Watch the valiant winter ball

[cedar oasis]

Against the valiant

[plush light]

Why does everyone rate the valiant so low? They are at the higher end of average

Paris looks not to shabby

[mortal abyss]

But they downgraded on fdps

[tawdry hamlet]

the valiant are rated so low mostly based on winter ball

but they did beat florida surprisingly

despite florida having the superior roster imo

[mortal abyss]

Florida basically threw that game

They were on high ping + it was like early morning for them

[plush grail]

oge just got done fuckin

[silk frost]

I've said it before and I'll say it again

Oge will not work and slime only plays good with papa bumper

[plush grail]

i dont remember asking you?

😘

[plush light]

And slime ana

[mortal abyss]

Yah

[somber forum]

where is a good place to find tournaments?

if anyone can help

like is there a dedicated server for it

[raw ermine]

#tournaments

[somber forum]

shiiiiiiiiit im stupid

thank u

[cedar oasis]

imagine thinking atlanta is good

because they beat la

[plush grail]

reign is garbage

[worn falcon]

Ratlanta

[earnest leaf]

Atlanta will be mid tier next season

Like always

[next mesa]

no they will be bottom

[cedar oasis]

low mid

high low

[next mesa]

high low

[vagrant jacinth]

Probably. I'm not a fan of the roster. Apart from maybe lr1s and pelican

[balmy wolf]

kek

[next mesa]

5th

from the bottom

[feral zodiac]

So many teams improving

Then there is london paris and vancouver

New toilet bowl let's go

[cedar oasis]

and atlanta

[feral zodiac]

Nah atlanta surely won't lose to eu contenders

Wait did atlanta lose to Vancouver

Last season

[tawdry hamlet]

Atlanta did mid tier with that roster plus erster

So pelican change isn't gonna cripple them methinks

[wind swift]

Can you believe Bastionmain joined Contenders

[next mesa]

once

[tawdry hamlet]

It was a good series

Fun to watch

[wind swift]

I loved Australia Contenders more than EU because
A. Frogger
B. They were meming

[tight hill]

Mind freak G must be making a lot of money

[slow kraken]

From overwatch no

From content yes

[tight hill]

Ye

[vivid dawn]

i think atlanta will be high mid

like florida last season

[vagrant jacinth]

I

Don't see that happening

[cedar oasis]

no one does

[silk frost]

I do

Pelican fucks

[karmic grotto]

So, BH released dannedd

[silk frost]

and Uprising Academy released TAP

Runaway released their coach GugulTaek, and Far is LFT

Mickie is no longer affiliated with Envy

dude for real is Blase just keeping Fuze as a pet or something

why is he still on London

[vagrant jacinth]

Mascot

[silk frost]

ah yes the most popular player

fuze

[raw ermine]

when do we get dallas vs SFS showmatch?

[tropic herald]

It’s always the first game of Shock iirc

[raw ermine]

true

[tropic herald]

Also before people shit on London for taking Blase but not Dannedd, remember London held internal trials, you know the results of the trials of Blase is picked up and Dannedd isn’t

[karmic grotto]

Indeed.

[vagrant jacinth]

I was thinking more along the lines of stuffing him in a costume lmao

[vagrant jacinth]

I got hope ye

[silk frost]

dude Blase is good

he should preform

[tawdry hamlet]

Good?

Uh

Blase the doom one trick?

[silk frost]

genji too

plus his teams have been HOUSTON AND BOSTON

[next mesa]

His Genji is like kdk

Kinda doodoo?

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't have high hopes, I don't know if danned was any better but blase is meh

Doesn't inspire me

[true hound]

his genji is ok

[tawdry hamlet]

Naga would have been ideal but no way they'd be able to sign him

[true hound]

his doom is super good

i like blase but kinda sad that blase got a team but jjanu or meko didnt

[tawdry hamlet]

Remember

At least hotba didn't

[feral zodiac]

Benbest has no team

Somehow fusions is still in the league

Actually, somehow all of Boston is still in the league

Except halomegalul

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean fusions was good when they got him but he'll probably play bench a lot for stand1 now

And myun is insane

[feral zodiac]

Ye

Im37 will probs be decent

Soon is easily the biggest improvement

[tawdry hamlet]

Chex when he's not forced on mei isn't actually that bad

He lowkey has a better widow than jerry

But he never got to play it

[feral zodiac]

They have a genuine mid tier hitscan now

[tawdry hamlet]

And soon can cover junkrat and some others as well

[feral zodiac]

Ye

[tawdry hamlet]

Less holes

[feral zodiac]

Would be insane if they picked up nico

Nico and soon would be such a massive improvement for boston

[tawdry hamlet]

Boston just didn't have the power to cover different metas last season I think, since jerry was always stuck to mcree ashe and chex was better at hitscan but had to flex to heroes he's not super comfortable with and their main tank and main support were both low tier

But punk isn't that bad actually

[feral zodiac]

Fusions is nowhere near flexible enough to main tank

Would be better keeping him as a rein specialist tbh

[tawdry hamlet]

Anything other than barely orisa and fusions fall apart

He can't ball or monkey at all

[feral zodiac]

Winston is pretty much the staple hero u need to be good at as a main tank

[tawdry hamlet]

The new coach seems to know what they are doing so far though

Wish monke wasn't meta since his entire goal is to feed lmao

[feral zodiac]

Ye

Boston legit slowly improving

Hopefully they hold their own against the other lower tier teams now

[tawdry hamlet]

Like watching fearless play and he just gets pumped and pumped by iziyaki ana all game and it's like amazing monkey play but without that constant health pump from iziyaki I don't even think monkey would work at all

Idk I just don't like money lmao

In current game at least

Dropping danned tho kind of sadge, are hurricane promoting everyone and starting all over or just getting out of contenders?

[feral zodiac]

No idea

I feel like a lot of them want to try and get more recognition

Since they probs didn't do great in tryouts

[plush grail]

winston just has no skill based abilities besides his ult

[next mesa]

Where did they say they dropped danned

And honestly I thought danned matched naga pretty well on echo

I'm not gonna lie

[next mesa]

https://twitter.com/PharaohOW/status/1344086657830694912

PHΛЯΛӨH (@PharaohOW)

When did Overwatch League and the Glads get on a TV Sitcom?? What?? https://t.co/YRZF9X7Maf

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wtf-

[raw ermine]

yeah I saw that

"go glads!"

"push the payload!"

and

"there e-athletes"

"who e-cares?"

are some notable lines

[silk frost]

that's fuckin amazing

what show is that

[trail perch]

I think one day at a time

[somber forum]

anyone got horizon league discord invite

[untold wraith]

ngl this hurt to watch

[cedar oasis]

All the other teams have improved

Boston will still be bottom 5

[vagrant jacinth]

Probs will be

My boy soon is on there so gotta show Boston some love

[tawdry hamlet]

This is the overwatch league! The top e athletes in the world!
E I don't care

[silk frost]

I think you know how I feel about boston by now

Top 5 NA bayBEEEEEE

[cedar oasis]

Yea

That's why they are better then London paris and titans

Because of soon

Maybey Houston

[tawdry hamlet]

Houston have happy 😎

[hot heart]

Happy danteh dps dup is kinda cracked

[plush light]

I don't think overwatch hitscan players are recognized enough for just how cracked their aim has to be

[hot heart]

They are

At least by the people that scout them

[cedar oasis]

There are so many hitscan players

[plush light]

I'm talking about by players in other games

[digital cloud]

People seem to place ow at the same level as fortnite now

They don’t seem to get how difficult it can be

[silk frost]

Yeah people outside of Overwatch think EVERY role has Main Tank Aim

[wanton birch]

We just better hope ex owl players in valorant pop off

[plush grail]

pine come back please

[digital cloud]

Sinatraa has been

Faze is sort of doing ok

People seem impressed by Saya’s mechanics, if not his 5head

[cedar oasis]

How

[true hound]

..wasn’t all that shit more than 4 years ago?

because someone being insensitive and cheating before OW came out is indicative of the person they are now 👍

[true osprey]

I don't know much about that situation but i remember pine saying some... not so nice stuff. We have no idea whether he's changed or not though so its not fair to call him a shit person, in any way.

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean at least it is old, people like Pine and Dafran changed

but you look at someone like Kephrii

🤮

[true osprey]

Low-key think Kephrii made all those accusations about people cheating in OW so that when you search up 'kephrii overwatch cheating' (or something along those lines) it comes up with him accusing people of hacking rather then the scandal where he cheated on his wife.

[digital cloud]

the business with his wife is a personal matter

hackusations are a bit more relevant to us, I would think

[tawdry hamlet]

it isn't a personal matter when those audio clips are online

[digital cloud]

if he put them there, then I would agree

[tawdry hamlet]

watching chex stream comp for 8 hours only to end up going 10-10 and being like 3 sr from where he started

pog

[vagrant jacinth]

Haha that's an F

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean I know pro player widow usually always looks insane in ladder but I have been watching chex a bit recently and it is kind of cracked afff

[plush grail]

CRACKED enough to lose 3 sr

pog

[tawdry hamlet]

😦

[plush grail]

but to be fair

i never see owl streamers with a positive winrate

they always have the score on screen and its always like 4-6 or 3-11

[cedar oasis]

the house always wins

[raw ermine]

damn

there is but one player left on GC busan

Xepher

[cloud latch]

the scrim god

[cobalt spoke]

1. Say something idiotic
2. Leave so nobody can call you out
3. Profit

[true osprey]

Why would they leave lmao

from what it seems they quite liked talking here

[true osprey]

Pine was the face of OWL in season 1 tbh

[next mesa]

nah

xqc

for sure

[feral zodiac]

I'd say jjonak

[cedar oasis]

defanitly jjonack

no question

everyone knew him

[true osprey]

Pines mccree clip is the most viewed OWL clip, which counts for something

[noble nexus]

xqc funny slam the fart guy

[cedar oasis]

jjonack got mvp tho

[noble nexus]

haha

[true osprey]

Kinda interesting that S1 NYXL had the most popular/well known players

probably because they were so good

but still

[cedar oasis]

jjonack made people think zen was good

[true osprey]

lol the 'notable players' section for wikipedia's OWL page is dafran Gamsu Geguri Haksal Jake JJonak Pine Neko Profit ryujehong Seagull sinatraa xQc

[cedar oasis]

yea

they r all popular

[true osprey]

neko?

[vagrant jacinth]

All good shouts tbf

[cedar oasis]

neko was good

i think

[true osprey]

he was on s1 boston

he was decent iirc

[feral zodiac]

Suprised birdring isn't up there

Was fissure in s1?

[true osprey]

But i don't think he's one of the most popular players

[true osprey]

yeah

mvp candidate i think

[feral zodiac]

Ye

Zunba was s1 right

[true osprey]

I'm suprised carpe isn't there tbh

[vagrant jacinth]

Fissure was ye

[plush light]

Wtf no carpe
I'm out

[vagrant jacinth]

Ah, to relive s1

[vagrant jacinth]

Seoul iirc

[silk frost]

Yes

Lunatic Hai

[cedar oasis]

the miro carry

[true osprey]

ryujekong

[plush grail]

out of all of those notable players only jjonak remains lmaooo

[hot heart]

Profit

[karmic grotto]

He's too valuable

[next mesa]

Profit

[karmic grotto]

No you

[hot heart]

Toyou

[cedar oasis]

no

profit is gone