esports-discussion

[true hound]

thats not how u spell profit

[tropic herald]

Fearless Void

Also Dallas gonna pound of double bubble comes back

[next mesa]

well if we're talking about next season

I do think smurf choi is better than fearless hanbin

[tropic herald]

Here’s why you are wrong

Choi Zarya is uninspiring

HanBin Zarya makes me feel something

[hot heart]

Overall Shocks tank line i just better

At least choi and smurf

When comparing smurf and choi with fearless and hanbin the only two things that the dallas tank line have over shock's is rein and zarya

Fearless and smurf winstons are on the same level

Hanbin and choi are comparable on the sig but choi if definitely better

*is

Fearless presents one problem though

Not a great orisa

Good

But not great

[trail perch]

Ummm hanbin easily better on sig

Tf u talking about

imo hanbin better player

[hot heart]

Huh

Okay so

[digital cloud]

almost as wrong as the guy that thinks profit is the best dps

[trail perch]

I think profit goat

[hot heart]

HanBin has the potential to be as good as choi

But he currently isnt

Hes a tier below imo

Void and choi are the two best OTs

HanBin could be up there with them next year

[balmy wolf]

hes already there

choi was top 5 but he wasnt uncontested like last year

personally fearless/hanbin is a tiny bit better than smurf/choi due to the fact that they dont need subs for rein unlike shock

im not sure about ball for fearless but he was rarely meta in OWL but we'll see

[cobalt spoke]

Choi literally has the highest teamfight winrate

[digital cloud]

you probably want a better orisa than fearless

[cobalt spoke]

On sigma

[digital cloud]

you would ideally sub for him

[balmy wolf]

its not horrible

[digital cloud]

neither is smurfs rein

[balmy wolf]

hanbin on sigma makes up for it

[cobalt spoke]

Does dallas have another tank?

[digital cloud]

but they still put in super

[cobalt spoke]

^

[balmy wolf]

dallas only has 2 tanks

[digital cloud]

and?

[trail perch]

Teamfight winrate is based on the team

[digital cloud]

the argument still stands

[cobalt spoke]

Ok

[digital cloud]

unless you would debate it

[cobalt spoke]

Still

Choi is atleast a better sigma than hanbin

[trail perch]

Hanbin has the highest stats

[balmy wolf]

i doubt fearless's orisa is bad enough to force a sub

[trail perch]

Individually

[balmy wolf]

its more than enough

[trail perch]

And has better mechanical skills

[digital cloud]

smurfs is not "bad enough" to force a sub

[balmy wolf]

if rein is hard meta than yea force a sub

but fearless played rein when he was meta

[digital cloud]

my point being his orisa is like smurfs rein

you would want a sub for him if you could

[balmy wolf]

stand1 on orisa was even worse

[cobalt spoke]

Dallas has no tank subs

[digital cloud]

but stand1 was just worse

[cobalt spoke]

Shock can just sub into super

[digital cloud]

there are still orisas you could use if you had them

[balmy wolf]

but why would you get another player just for orisa

[digital cloud]

why would you get another player just for rein

or doom

[cobalt spoke]

Because they are actually the best on the hero

[balmy wolf]

super has shown he can played all tanks to a decent level

[cobalt spoke]

The best orisa is already on shock

So

[balmy wolf]

since dallas just wants the EM core fearless was the best option

the only gap in the tankline for dallas is ball, but again ball was rarely meta

[cobalt spoke]

Didnt we just talk about orisa

[digital cloud]

will it be when it starts again, I wonder

[true hound]

how do you even decide the best orisa

[balmy wolf]

were talking tank duos

[digital cloud]

ball is super meta now

[true hound]

it’s like trying to decide the best moira

braindead hero

[balmy wolf]

we got another few months before owl

ball we probs get a nerf

along with sigma

[digital cloud]

sigma will still be the best ot lol

[cobalt spoke]

Ball wont get nerfed

[digital cloud]

he is like brig, practically unkillable

[cobalt spoke]

Ball isnt broken

He is just the best main tank

Rein orisa and winston are bad

So we play ball

[balmy wolf]

hes not broken but he is OP

[next mesa]

choi is not a better sig than hanbin wdym

[digital cloud]

imagine if he still could quadruple boop

[balmy wolf]

hes just like orisa when she was damn near immortal

[digital cloud]

and to think all you had to do was nerf the best ability in the game to shit

who would have thought

[balmy wolf]

but hes only gotten major use now since poke heavy comps force the majority of tanks to the side

and he and sigma can tank it pretty easily

tho sigma just does way too much as an OT

[cobalt spoke]

Also soldier counters winston enough to make ball better

Even if hes like out now

[digital cloud]

shield, projectile stun, projectile eating that also improves survivability, health based damage ult

[balmy wolf]

not exactly

[digital cloud]

high damage

shield health

[balmy wolf]

its zen that is Winston nightmare

along with hitscans

[digital cloud]

only way he could be more op is some armor

[cobalt spoke]

What else happened in the soldier patch that caused winston to become worse than ball?

[digital cloud]

and a fucking 1500 hp shield

[balmy wolf]

i think an easy nerf would be ball temp shields gave ult charge

[digital cloud]

that would make him more worthless than hog

my god, he would be unusable

[cobalt spoke]

Nah

Just nerf soldier

Lmao

Fun hero but kindof puts the game out of balance

[balmy wolf]

hog still gives ult charge with vape

its a small change but it aint gonna kill the hero

[digital cloud]

a large reason hog is worthless is being a constant ult battery

if you did that to ball, it would kill him too

of course hog does have other glaring flaws, but ult charge is still pretty huge

[cobalt spoke]

Hog is just a badly designed hero honestly

Remove him

He is a blemish on the game

!

[digital cloud]

you sound like a widow hater rn

though I do agree hog is crap

[true hound]

why would you nerf soldier

soldier isn’t even that good compared to ashe

[cobalt spoke]

To buff winston

[digital cloud]

it was a joke

[true hound]

bruh what would nerfing soldier do to buff Winston

nerf Ashe

pls

[digital cloud]

nuance read this and fucking died

[cobalt spoke]

Soldier good = winston bad, because heal field counters winston

But not ball

[true hound]

heal field already existed before and after

plus

Ashe has coach

and way more burst damage

coach just leap on steroids

[cobalt spoke]

Yeah but now soldier is actually a hero worth playing

[true hound]

yeah true

[digital cloud]

not really

ashe exists

[true hound]

but even still if you’re winston you should care about ashe fucking you

[digital cloud]

ashe >>>>>>> soldier

[true hound]

yea

[cobalt spoke]

Still worth it if they have a winston

[true hound]

nah

If u can play soldier why not just go ashe you’ll fuck Winston more

[digital cloud]

no, because ashe >>>>>>> soldier

[cobalt spoke]

That and ball is partially op

Half and half really

[cobalt spoke]

Ashe didnt stop winston in double bubble or grand finals

[digital cloud]

I love ball, but giving a character the capacity for constant cc like him was an awful idea

ashe is in a different place now

[balmy wolf]

it was a good concept but that mean giving him high mobility

[digital cloud]

ashe screws winston currently

[balmy wolf]

tracer is also being strong rn

probs the must pick dps rn

[digital cloud]

tracer echo hanzo and ashe are the best ones it looks like

with widow too

[balmy wolf]

occasionally

[true hound]

widow kinda gets flattened

I think hanzo and Ashe are better

echo hella good too

[digital cloud]

widow is probably definitively worse than ashe rn

but she has her uses

[balmy wolf]

on long range maps yea of course

oh boi its like 2017 again where tracer is number 1 again

[digital cloud]

tracer and widow's design is such that they are almost always good

[balmy wolf]

i mean u can really just revert the range buff on tracer and she'll be fine for sure

maybe not back to its old state

but right in the middle

[cobalt spoke]

On an unrelated note

Shock literally only lost 4 times over the course of thw whole owl season

2 times was sinatraa being boomed and then leaving immediately after

[digital cloud]

oh boy, more shock wanking

[cobalt spoke]

1 time was getting screwed by hero pools

And 1 time was a legitimate loss

And thats just it

[balmy wolf]

the best part about hero pools was being mad about how mei wasnt banned

over and over

actual snake of a hero

[cobalt spoke]

Yea?

Why not

Proven best team in the league

Then people will doubt and get proven wrong again

[digital cloud]

it is annoying to hear over and over

we know they are

[cobalt spoke]

Too bad

[digital cloud]

they have won two years in a row

having to repeat it all the time makes you look insecure

people hate the patriots too

[balmy wolf]

its like 90's Chicago bull fans

they never stop talking about the 6 championships

and quietly never talk about the last 20 years of mediocrity

[cobalt spoke]

Shock was bad one time

And then they werent

[digital cloud]

no one wants to hear that

we fucking know they are good, we have eyes

nothing is accomplished by harping on it

[cobalt spoke]

So stop doubting then

Im done

[digital cloud]

I didn't doubt

what do you even mean

[balmy wolf]

did anyone watch the chinese teams matches that happened a month ago?

the dragons event or something

[digital cloud]

nah, I was busy

exams and whatnot

[balmy wolf]

i sorta remember that 1st one that happened before s3

and dragons were pretty much outclassing everyone in the event

who knew that event would translate pretty well into s3

[digital cloud]

people had the dragons pretty high coming in

many predictions this season were roughly correct

except maybe Titans

that was a total shit show

[balmy wolf]

rip them

the paris predictions were god awful

[digital cloud]

I don't remember them being that hyped

people thought sparkle would be a good addition when he was old enough

but otherwise

[balmy wolf]

i think the community didnt look the at the coaching stuff before hand

or really valued at all

it was fair to say they wouldnt be top 5, but saying they would be bottom 5 was just disrespect to rush

and all the other staff on the team

[digital cloud]

I don't remember most people having them below or above top mid

maybe a few people that optimistically had them top 5 if sparkle worked out

[balmy wolf]

and easy comparison would be looking at teams that had a coaching change

like mayhem

the players were fine, but they were coached poorly

boston fits that metric pretty well too

[digital cloud]

meanwhile houston and atlanta . .

[balmy wolf]

....

yeaaa we kind of ignore that

goods teams is what I meant

that had a change in coaches

[tropic herald]

Hangzhou dominated Chengdu, Guangzhou took Shanghai to 5 then Shanghai dominated Hangzhou

[balmy wolf]

so dragons won the whole thing again?

[tropic herald]

Yes

But watch out for Kaylee, was cracked out

[balmy wolf]

i saw a tiny bit of him

but everyone was saying he was cracked

no bad hitscan this year it seems

[digital cloud]

hard to be bad at this point in the game

the bad ones get filtered out

[hot heart]

Ye

But kaylee was one of those players that really impress

[tropic herald]

Kaylee is why Guangzhou took maps

Like that kind of cracked

[digital cloud]

his performance reminded me of pelican

[balmy wolf]

like pine s1 cracked?

[digital cloud]

cuz I did watch a few clips of him

[slow kraken]

I don’t understand how reign are on paper, number 1

Or were close to it

[sullen berry]

Not sure who considered them number 1 to you

Except for number 1 biggest disappointment - most had seen gator only at the end of the Goats era and hawk as a tank duo looked good early on

[next mesa]

Gator Hawk got second place gauntlet

[sullen berry]

But that's as far as they come, no high tournament standings and swamped by teams statistically better like Fusion, Mayhem, Washington mid-season

[next mesa]

And then they add like edison and erster

[sullen berry]

The whole team synergy didn't look like it was ever there

Could explain how after daco was missing for long periods

It would happen again wihh Erster this year

[balmy wolf]

it was mostly the stage 4 and playoff run they had

stage 4 mostly

since they rolled everyone and erster looked mvp caliber

then edison got added which was one of the best contender players and then added the tank duo

pretty easy to see where the hype came from

[hot heart]

I still think ATL could pull through

After this year

*s4

If they do well with the roster

They keep it and upgrade

If they dont do well and completely flop

They blow it up

Go the NYXL route

[tawdry hamlet]

Onigod Naga in terms of mechanical skill easily beat dalton Linkzr or danned blase/sparkr

In actual game though idk

But onigod on his own is genuinely very good

Like if you watch his streams and shit

[silk frost]

Oh yeah Onigod is sick

But Naga isnt that good imo

Sure he's very good in EU tendies

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah I haven't seen a whole lot of naga other than echo tbh but I've heard pretty good things

[silk frost]

He's good

Just not nearly anything special in OWL

[tawdry hamlet]

so it basically on all three teams comes down to "can (somewhat upper mid star player) carry enough to beat the other shit team"

actually

it just comes down to, is linkzr better than onigod or nah

onigod I think is better but ive only seen him play high ping on a dallas team that already had decay

but linkzr is super inconsistent

but when he is on

he is super on point

[vagrant jacinth]

I do like linkzr but I also think onigod > linkzr

[plush grail]

Can't really judge either of them right now

Iinkzr was on the houston shitshow

And onigod was a hitscan player playing on 140 ping on a collapsing team

[plush light]

I think Dalton is better than linkzr

[noble nexus]

London's twitter account must think their fanbase are fucking geniuses with these riddles

[tawdry hamlet]

I wouldn't go that far

linkzr has a far better hitscan than dalton

dalton might have barely passable sombra and a few other heroes

but linkzr all around is far better imo

[vagrant jacinth]

Dalton hasn't really impressed

[plush light]

Why do you think the mayhem ran bqb on soldier instead of widow on havana at the valiant winter ball?

[karmic grotto]

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1343185837907853312

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

5. Thanks for your support through thick and thin
   From Assault to Hybrid and game modes within

https://t.co/0IaLByXqwD

Likes

165

Twitter · Dec 27, 2020, 1:23 PM

Hybrid?

[tropic herald]

Hanamura in the background

[tawdry hamlet]

Man nobody cares about their dog ass roster riddles just announce the leagues new shitter team already mann

Some of the social media managers this off season have been grinding my gears so hard

[plush grail]

imagine having to solve a fucking riddle only to get blase as your answer

would have been cool for like a single superstar signing

but not a entire team of literal whos

[karmic grotto]

At least they try

[vagrant jacinth]

We've waited long enough lmao just release the roster already

[plush light]

Can someone post the whole riddle plz

[plush light]

Surefour?

[shy sun]

Who is the neL of OW?

No big leakers?

[mortal abyss]

Wdym

[shy sun]

Whose the big inside trader of OW rosters?

[mortal abyss]

Halo gets like 90%of leaks right

[raw ermine]

Halo of Thoughts on twitter

[shy sun]

Okay seems kewl.

[wanton birch]

spark and chengdu have big dark horse energy

[tawdry hamlet]

https://twitter.com/confusion_ow/status/1343193205882421249?s=19

Confusion (@confusion_ow)

@Spitfire Kellex played for a team called Fragsters so hint #8 is Kellex, #7 is Ripa for obvious reasons, I feel like #9 is Dannedd or Sparkr because they both came from orgless and hungry. This is hybrid. I think the last one is molf1g as it says "the(m all fig)urged out"

Twitter · Dec 27, 2020, 1:53 PM

Speculation go brr

Be nice if they'd just tell us

Literally like the only unannounced roster left

[raw ermine]

ahaha

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1343214265113706496

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

Does anyone know what type of vehicle this is? I don't have a clue

Twitter · Dec 27, 2020, 3:16 PM

[plush grail]

we're already fucking over our fans by going from season 1 champs to EU budget

let's give them a headache and make all of our roster announcements riddles

[tawdry hamlet]

[mortal abyss]

I’m pretty sure they did a vote on how to reveal and people picked this slow drawn out thing

[tawdry hamlet]

Why would people do this to themselves lmaoo

[plush grail]

you're joking

[tawdry hamlet]

Just do the florida method and dump your roster in one long post

[plush grail]

who would want that

imo the nyxl way was perfect

tankline, support line and dps line

and every vid had a small teaser

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't get the halo tweet it's just a toy car

[plush grail]

brainlet

[tawdry hamlet]

[plush grail]

do you not understand it

ARE YOU DUMB

[tidal ridge]

12 days of christmas roster announcement

[tawdry hamlet]

Im still confused pls

[raw ermine]

some people think they're gonna sign a french player

so nico, benbest, asking?

[tawdry hamlet]

I've seen lots of people expect nico

Which could make sense since sparkr and danned aren't super impressive and one of them is underage so a dps upgrade would be helpful

Especially since dps imo are the weakest part of hurricane

But I have no idea really

I wouldn't even mind seeing kellex ripa in owl, they aren't really bad

[raw ermine]

I wonder if spitfire will do a 12 man roster again

oh yeah this "reach out" one is molfig

Reach out to loved ones, thank them all; Figured out yet who first to call?

theM ALL Figured

MALLFIG

Molfig

[tawdry hamlet]

[raw ermine]

Actually it's probably gonna be a 9 man roster

All of bh plus hybrid is 7

Another flex support and dps?

Or maybe a Kellex backup

[plush grail]

wow crazy london is picking up rascal and libero???

[tawdry hamlet]

I assume they wouldn't do kellex dirty like that and leave him as like the only one on bh not promoted besides underage one

[vagrant jacinth]

If we end up getting benbest I'll go wild

[tawdry hamlet]

Hadi is rumored to be signed right?

[vagrant jacinth]

Yes

[tawdry hamlet]

Hmm

[raw ermine]

yeah

so it will be
Hadi
molfig
sparkr
danedd
kellex
ripa
Hybrid
?
?

[summer zealot]

when does owl start back up?

[tropic herald]

There is no official date but look towards Spring as a rough estimate

[karmic grotto]

I know

Bumper goes to Spitfire!

[plush grail]

fake

none of his old titans caretakers are on spitfire

bumper isn't allowed to play without a in game caretaker

[cedar oasis]

Fits really went from a trails team to Seoul

[primal minnow]

Blase?

[raw ermine]

oh yeah

that guy

lol

[cedar oasis]

Do I hear worse flex dps in the league

[slow kraken]

Chipsa is obv the best flex dps

[silk frost]

We are blasé stans in my house

Chex and Although were worse

And adora

And Agilities

[tropic herald]

I think Chex is good when you don’t force him to be your main flex

Lori kept him so remember that

https://amp.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/kbxek1/key_points_from_ascoft_boston_uprising_assistant/?__twitter_impression=true

''' - The org discussed a lot with Colourhex. Ascoft stresses out that having to fill most of last year didnt do Colourhex any favor, but he's an amazing teammate to have, especially in terms of mental fortitude (he never gave up on the team, always fought for it despite all the hatred he received). So they wanted to keep him for that. And during the trials, they had him focus on a few key heroes (his best picks) and he did amazingly well, even against top Korean contenders. '''

[karmic grotto]

ew, amp

[tawdry hamlet]

His crosshair is pretty nut

The black standard crosshair

[cobalt spoke]

Colourhex is going ro pop off next season

[tawdry hamlet]

[vagrant jacinth]

Chex gonna be fucking next season

[raw ermine]

Chex im37

Nuts

[mortal abyss]

All i want is boombox on London pleaseee

[vagrant jacinth]

Me 2

Unlikely tho, sad

[karmic grotto]

[silk frost]

boomripa

[hot heart]

Hmm

How good is ripa

I've heard kellex is ass at mercy but good on lucio

So kinda concerned there

[tawdry hamlet]

Fuze is still on london

he is main support

so they might dump kellex

but idk

[noble nexus]

pretty sure they're signing ripa

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah ripa for sure he is a good flex support and they need one

[noble nexus]

the first 4 letters of one of their riddles were ripa

[tawdry hamlet]

but kellex I think they might dump

since fuze was the only guy they kept

so they probably don't want double main support unless fuze is missing something

[noble nexus]

it's just the blase signing was out of left field considering I assumed they'd announce bh all at the same time

I don't know what to think anymore

[next mesa]

Apparently kaan is mini viol2t

Wait no

Jjonak

[noble nexus]

mini current jjonak?

uh oh

[next mesa]

Current jjonak is still better than s1 jjonak

S1 competition was just worse

Anyway

I feel like kaan is gonna pop off

[noble nexus]

ehhh that's actually not that hot of a take

[tawdry hamlet]

when jjonak kills dps in 1v1 situations as ana I nut

[next mesa]

Jjonak didn't get worse

[noble nexus]

Paris are gonna either be shitty or better than expected

[next mesa]

Other people just got better

Oh yes

[tawdry hamlet]

if they play normal ping they genuinely could be good

if metas stay how they are they could probably beat bh

which isn't much

but something

[noble nexus]

the whole eu teams staying in eu and playing on high ping is honestly kinda fucked

[next mesa]

Onigod better than linkzr

Apparently

He dunked on him several times in trials

[karmic grotto]

[tawdry hamlet]

in ladder on decent ping he shreds

[next mesa]

While that's obviously not something that impressive

Still good to know

[tawdry hamlet]

onigod is slept on because of dallas 😦

but he is insane

[noble nexus]

Yeah I like onigod's plays

he was benched by decay

just unfortunate

[balmy wolf]

Who u guys think is gonna win Season 4?

[tawdry hamlet]

probably shock again

[noble nexus]

Shock

[tawdry hamlet]

all other rosters upgraded but none are super powered with no holes like shock

genji is their only kryptonite

[karmic grotto]

This time it ain't shock

Other teams have mini crusty

And the teams, are becoming better

Dragons gotta make a comeback

:(

[noble nexus]

I think teams will be better

but the shock will still just win

[karmic grotto]

[noble nexus]

they'll just simply be better

[hot heart]

Kaan is a fucking monster mechanically

[balmy wolf]

What about Fuel signing most Element Mystic players, a team who dominated Korean Contenders?

[tawdry hamlet]

they have holes

[next mesa]

Shock is still the best

[balmy wolf]

That can be fixed during off-season

[next mesa]

No

The roster is done

[karmic grotto]

Paris Eternal finding good Contenders players

[next mesa]

Also I saw this take that I agreed on in cow

[karmic grotto]

Ez

[next mesa]

Basically why striker was so dominant

Because of viol2t

[karmic grotto]

In other words

[next mesa]

Profit can't match striker on tracet

Because STRIKER HAS HARMONY

Obviously I still think

[karmic grotto]

RiP

[next mesa]

Striker is better

[karmic grotto]

With harmony?

[next mesa]

No like even without

Striker is probably still better than profit

[karmic grotto]

I haven't seen such a match up yet

[true hound]

at tracer

[next mesa]

But like not as large as people think

Yeah only at tracer pepelaugh

[true hound]

lul

[karmic grotto]

XD

[next mesa]

Anyway the thing is creative can't match viol2t on zen not by a long shot

• their gameplan was to feed gesture nanos and nades and shit

Diff approach

[karmic grotto]

Makes me wonder how Fielder will be at low ping

[next mesa]

Ikr

Hope he fucks

[karmic grotto]

Ye

Hoping more players will show their true strength

Kinda disappointed

Although

Kevster is the the biggest mystery here

[earnest leaf]

Kevster seemed pretty decent last season but nothing special, since high ping and mediocre support line

But people keep saying he's a dark horse mvp candidate, top 5 dps player etc

and idk where it comes from

[karmic grotto]

Well, kind of hard when you try your hardest when your support line isn't there

[earnest leaf]

Glads have no excuse to be bad this season imo

[karmic grotto]

Like, how striker can run wild with viol2t as support

[earnest leaf]

viol2t isn't support

he is a 3rd dps that heals

[karmic grotto]

Kek

[earnest leaf]

but it will be fun to see kevster/birdring slap people around next season

[next mesa]

Right after he came in the league?

I didn't think so

But during winterball

[earnest leaf]

During the off season mainly

[next mesa]

God i mean

He just made everyone his little bitch

Actually dominant tracer performance (read that in sideshows voice)

[earnest leaf]

and he wasn't facing mediocre players either

Shax/yaki tracer I think

[karmic grotto]

High ping

:(

Now I miss ksaa

Inb4 we see a Pharah one trick in owl

Yznsa

[earnest leaf]

A decent team that hard pocketed him could probably slap around bottom tier teams

But that would work for honestly any one trick player

[karmic grotto]

Upcoming overwatch season will surprise people

The level keeps rising

They must keep up.

Mag/Fury/Decay

That's illegal

[true hound]

decay is too good

[karmic grotto]

Anyway, any team can become a good roster with good coaching

[hot heart]

Washington went from absolute bottom feeders to probably a top team next tear

*year

[noble nexus]

all because they signed decay as the playoffs started and got 3rd in NA

[wanton birch]

Imagine glads with their best past players

[karmic grotto]

Imagine losing to some try hard team and one star player

A one trick team as well without main tank

[noble nexus]

they just took decay and ran with it and are now probably a top 5 team

[wanton birch]

Decay , void ,fissure or muze, moth, birding, kevster and shu

[noble nexus]

tbf them having a main tank was their issue

[wanton birch]

That roster would slap

[karmic grotto]

How do you know

[noble nexus]

because roar was fucking garbage

[karmic grotto]

I was reacting to Reynolds lol

[noble nexus]

oh

thank god

[karmic grotto]

But yes

You're right

Roar was dogshit

[wanton birch]

Roar was probably the second worst tank

[noble nexus]

I'd think about you very differently if you questioned Roar being Justice's problem

[hot heart]

I mean

Yeah

No actually

The worst

[wanton birch]

Muma

[hot heart]

Muma had his moments early season on winston

Roar just fed

[noble nexus]

him being switched for Decay zarya doesn't help his case but he was complete garbage

[karmic grotto]

Roar couldn't handle the level anymore

[noble nexus]

Muma played this season?

[hot heart]

Yeah

[noble nexus]

I thought he was already permabenched by hydration

[hot heart]

Early year

[noble nexus]

oh right

[tawdry hamlet]

Muma was dog after like 2017 lmaoo

[wanton birch]

I think muma was worse and he was given a lot more chances

[karmic grotto]

Good thing he's gone

Muze is now the main tank

Also, gladiators now actually have a main tank

Fuck

[hot heart]

Papa MuZe

[wanton birch]

My man got replace by hydration

[karmic grotto]

Kevster gonna run wild shit in the back line

[wanton birch]

The third worst tank

[noble nexus]

I really wish rascal would go to glads for the birdring rascal dps duo

[wanton birch]

Hopefully glads sign GaeBullSsi

Rascal seems a bit unlikely

[noble nexus]

oh yeah it won't happen

[wanton birch]

Though I wish it would happen

[karmic grotto]

You don't like space?

[noble nexus]

I just wish it would

[karmic grotto]

They should drop space then, space is not cheap

[noble nexus]

also yeah if they don't get GBS I still like space on that team

[wanton birch]

I like space

Space is a very solid off tank but GaeBullSsi is potentially top tier

[tropic herald]

Just be glad ur NA GM rn Bc soon he will be on your servers taking your sr

[noble nexus]

Their MT still isn't proven so an OT who is consistently good and is proven would probably benefit his transition to owl

[next mesa]

Lul

Yaki looked pretty good

But kevster just-

[noble nexus]

I mean assuming GBS isn't already proven in the mind of the Glads

[next mesa]

GBS still not signed?

Makes no sense

[wanton birch]

Seems like people think kevster has the highest potential ceiling of any flex dps

[noble nexus]

probably still a bidding war between fusion and glads

[tropic herald]

GBS has contracts no doubt but he has to choose which one

[wanton birch]

Leak mafia says glads or fusion

[next mesa]

Wasn't there a rumor for nyxl at one point

[wanton birch]

Yeah

[next mesa]

But they signed bianca that prob fell through

[wanton birch]

I don’t want nyxl to be good ;-;

[next mesa]

Why

Wtf

Anyway

[earnest leaf]

kevster is gonna be too high to be in my games

[next mesa]

Glads or fusion at both really good options lmao

[wanton birch]

Cause less competition for glads

[tropic herald]

I guess it also comes down to does GBS want to be in Korea or America too

[wanton birch]

How I see it is , if glads wants to compete with Dallas , GaeBullSsi gets them there

[earnest leaf]

I think glads already compete

[wanton birch]

Cause that way they have even dps , better supports and equal if not better tanks

[tropic herald]

Glads Dallas and Shock is the top 3 imo

They look like any could be 1

[earnest leaf]

I feel like dallas will end up being 5th or so

but I expect glads/shock to be top 3 easily

[wanton birch]

It really comes down to how good their supports play

And if one of fuels players can pick up tracer

[tropic herald]

Who do you see going above Dallas

In NA?

Boston and Washington maybe????

[karmic grotto]

Boston lmao

[tropic herald]

I hate that I just mentioned both of those teams being top 5

[karmic grotto]

you never know if Boston with Lori actually becomes a top 5 NA team

[tropic herald]

If they finish out the signings they are supposed to get id feel confident in them

[earnest leaf]

I'm not too sure atm, but with tracer seemingly being a mainstay meta wise for a while I think it will hurt dallas a lot

I'm mainly expecting a double hitscan meta when owl comes around

[wanton birch]

I like Boston

[tropic herald]

Boston would actually benefit so much from double hitscan

Any lineup of the 3 dps would be Pog

[wanton birch]

Which team signed Aztac?

[tropic herald]

Toronto

[wanton birch]

I know someone who did a trial with him and seemingly he’s insane

I haven’t seen him play before though

[tropic herald]

Yeah he’s pretty good

[wanton birch]

Who else do Toronto have ?

Some fusion player

[tropic herald]

Ansoonjae Sado

[earnest leaf]

heesu/sado

[hot heart]

Ansoonjae

Heesu

[tropic herald]

Heesu

[hot heart]

Sado

[tropic herald]

Logix

[hot heart]

Na1st

Beast

Lmao

[wanton birch]

Beast

[hot heart]

The bench god

[wanton birch]

Kekw

[tropic herald]

Unironically beast could be decent

Depends on who their off tank is

[wanton birch]

I think he’s got potential

[hot heart]

Michelle

[wanton birch]

Probably gonna learn this season

Toronto could be pretty competitive as well then

[tropic herald]

Remember that KDG turned Sado around so why can’t he do the same to Beast

[hot heart]

I think he'll focus on the korean players more

Especially Michelle

Dude hasnt played in a fucking millenia

[tropic herald]

Iirc he had an injury or some personal issue benching him

[hot heart]

Hmm

Hopefully its been solved

[wanton birch]

Honestly this season should be way more even

[hot heart]

I dont see toronto benching fucking sado of all people for beast

[earnest leaf]

maybe sado/beast will become a smurf/super type MT roster

[hot heart]

Sado was individually very good

[earnest leaf]

Sado focuses on winston/ball/orisa while beast gets a really good rein

[hot heart]

Beast seemingly isnt

He's okay

But not good

[tropic herald]

Did you watch Philly season 2

[hot heart]

Yes

His performances were ass

[wanton birch]

Don’t discount the spark and hunters

[hot heart]

But him on an individual level

His mechanics

[wanton birch]

This seasons dark horse baby

[earnest leaf]

Getting alarm and funnyastro will help a MT a lot

[hot heart]

His knowledge about the game

Its extremely good

[tropic herald]

Well yeah his mechanics are insane Bc he ran a boosting empire

But he fed his brains out every game

[hot heart]

Yes

Do you honestly think beast has a shot of benching sado tho?

Unless its double MY

*MT

[tropic herald]

I think if beast becomes a rein specialist yes

Bc that’s a smart decision

[earnest leaf]

yea like smurf/super

[hot heart]

Hmm

Sado has an insane rein tho

[wanton birch]

Who’s gonna be the best balls I wonder

[hot heart]

So idk

[wanton birch]

Muze looked very good

[hot heart]

Beast ball specialist maybe?

Yeah

MuZe was a nut

[earnest leaf]

the small amount I watched muze looked amazing on ball

[hot heart]

Ga9a also apparently has a comparable ball to ameng

[wanton birch]

Ameng gonna stay number 1 ?

[hot heart]

So him too

Mano is a freak at ball too

[wanton birch]

I’m telling you, spark and hunters sleeper

[tawdry hamlet]

gaga is more flexible and has comparable ball and is probably cheaper than ameng

[hot heart]

Ye

[earnest leaf]

chengdu getting all these new players

How much you wanna bet they will revert to normal chengdu and run ball 24/7 and turbo feed

[tropic herald]

Chengdu has lots of good players but they seemed to be playing not well together

At least for Shanghai Masters

[next mesa]

All we know for now is shanghai and charge are still a tier above the rest

[tropic herald]

Out of the Chinese teams

We still know nothing about Seoul NY and Philly

[sullen berry]

Shanghai masters didn't tell us the power diff between charge and hunters, nor spark and hunters and shanghai LUL

[karmic grotto]

[next mesa]

We do

Dragons > Charge > Spark > Hunters

Well direct matchups might be different

But logically

[feral zodiac]

Charge vs spark is iffy imo

I feel like spark are on even footing with them in most metas

[next mesa]

I'm going off the fact that charge went to map 5 with dragons and spark got swept

[feral zodiac]

Which tournament

Oh wait Shanghai masters

[next mesa]

Yeah

[feral zodiac]

Did seoul take part in anything?

[next mesa]

No

Seoul might be worse than chengdu or better than dragons for all we know

[silk frost]

you say that like Chengdu are bad

=-=

[next mesa]

They're not

Apac looks pog

Chengdu might be mayhem level

[feral zodiac]

Chengdu will flop

Because I have no faith

That or leave will be mvp

[solar bison]

Chengdu look good

Everyone else just looks better

[vagrant jacinth]

Apac is looking really good

I'm so hype for this season to start

[hot heart]

Ye

Cant wait for april

Hopefully we see more mid season stuff soon

[silk frost]

Fuck Leave, we have Nisha AKA the UNSTOPPABLE GOD Illusion

[gilded dagger]

Forgot to post this

https://twitter.com/washjustice/status/1343272956114448385?s=20

Washington Justice (@washjustice)

Keep your eyes peeled! 👀

Heroes are coming home to DC in 2021. ⭐️🏠

#JusticeIsServed

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223

Twitter · Dec 27, 2020, 7:10 PM

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1343090201497747456

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

6. Reach out to loved ones, thank them all; Figured out yet who first to call?

Likes

516

Twitter · Dec 27, 2020, 7:03 AM

Chatuex in background nicogdh, benbest,

?

[cobalt spoke]

Benbest

[raw ermine]

Nope

Molfig

Thank theM ALL FIGured

[tropic herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-wcZCe_NAU found this a few days late but its a good watch

tl;dr Pre talks about how he has managed to get a bunch of great players despite not being able to outbid other teams

[raw ermine]

gotta see how he got fury and mag

[earnest leaf]

I would go to a team that has high hopes

and especially when the gm wants to push for the best and win

[tropic herald]

I can tl;dr that part if you want to not watch

[trail perch]

Can you 🙂

[earnest leaf]

instead of half assing, grabbing rando t2 players and riding a season out

[tropic herald]

Justice got Jjanu and Stitch Bc they wanted a good org and simply just to play in the league so Justice appealed to them

[raw ermine]

Also how the hell did tsuna get a team before rascal

[tropic herald]

Decay got on Bc he wanted to play too, fun fact Decay didn’t even have a salary that is in the top 3 of the Justice at the time

[earnest leaf]

@raw ermine cuz paris ain't dropping the bag on rascal

[tropic herald]

Basically every other player got on Bc surprise Decay is a player people want to play with

And Pre is very good at knowing what players want so he can recruit people without just dropping giant contracts on them

[earnest leaf]

I guess being able to just play in the league and play with people you like is a huge push for players

[tropic herald]

Another thing I found was interesting

Justice only went full Korean Bc their western players left and a Korean team blew up, the Justice didn’t care about being Korean or Western they just wanted to not try to be mixed

Jjanu and Stitch didn’t want to leave Justice either

They got Fury Bc he’s flexible enough to fit most if not all metas

Kinda realizing this isn’t a tl;dr

But that’s the important stuff imo although if you have the time do watch this

Also Pre has thrown shade at multiple orgs over this video including Titans Fuel and Spark

[raw ermine]

General shade or specific bad actions

[hot heart]

I don't imagine he could say specifically

[tropic herald]

There was no specifics

[karmic grotto]

Can I already buy a season 4 justice shirt?

I wish they included new clothing lines

[karmic grotto]

Dreamhaven only need 2 positions filled

We're getting there!

But still, would be nice if they would update us on what they've been doing

[sullen berry]

This has been on my watch list since christmas. Now I really need to listen to this next week when I have decent internet

[balmy wolf]

does the Vancouver titans have a contact email?

[tawdry hamlet]

Damn McGravy living rent free

For 3 months

[forest raven]

[hot heart]

Xendo is down horrendously bad

[rare magnet]

poko is giving ten OWL sprays for everyone subbing today, i had to sub its such a good deal. yes TEN different OWL team sprays, that's half the teams

[tawdry hamlet]

https://twitter.com/Muma/status/1342712187224272896?s=19

Austin Wilmot 🥀 (@Muma)

and fish go blub

Likes

128

Twitter · Dec 26, 2020, 6:01 AM

Insightful

[vagrant jacinth]

That was a super interesting interview

[vagrant jacinth]

London with only two players on the team. We're gonna win with just fuze and blasé

[next mesa]

and win

https://www.ggrecon.com/articles/owl-christmas-snapshot-power-rankings-6-4-north-america?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=overwatch&utm_content=feature

Fuel below mayhem, hmhmhmhmm

[raw ermine]

Interesting choice

they likely still believe in the dallas curse

both teams have a bit of synergy

I'd say the florida support line is better

tank line better for dallas

dps is close

so it isn't completely nuts

[tawdry hamlet]

Florida over Dallas is pepega lmao

[next mesa]

doubt for support line

[tawdry hamlet]

Florida just lost to like Valiant or something right?

at winter ball?

[next mesa]

Slime is like

kinda rusty

I'd take fielder over gangnamjin

tiny margin doe

rush vs kuki should be nice tho

[raw ermine]

still think kuki should have been COTY

[tawdry hamlet]

nah

[next mesa]

mmmmm

idk

[raw ermine]

the players can be trained to be really good for both sides

[primal minnow]

so i made a power rankings for season 4, believing rumours whilst doing it, what do you think
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791099699717079053/793166396635742208/unknown.png?width=182&height=426

[plush grail]

paris not top 3?

seoul not top 5?

shit list

[raw ermine]

separate it by region

[primal minnow]

Ah

Well we don’t really know what the regions are fully going to look like

[raw ermine]

go by last year

but move philly to apac

and maybe london to NA

your choice

[plush grail]

london is staying apac probably

[primal minnow]

London most likely will probably move to NA

I don’t think they’ll want their roster to go into the ‘harder’ region

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/791099699717079053/793168475433992253/image0.png
Sorted out into the regions

[plush grail]

paris not above shock

shit list

[slow kraken]

I feel like Titans will be higher

[primal minnow]

Personally I feel like the other NA teams have better rosters and better coaching overall than Titans

They seem very incapable to me

[plush grail]

true

titans is nothing compared to paris

[primal minnow]

I feel like valiant, outlaws, Paris and titans will be the bottom tier teams

If London is in NA they definitely join the bottom tier category

[plush grail]

i trust in paris

they'll be mid

[primal minnow]

I feel like even teams such as Toronto and Boston (if the rumours are true of Valentine etc) will give major trouble to Paris this season

[next mesa]

mmmmmm

reign too high

id put outlaws above paris

defiant above reign for sure

[raw ermine]

yeah they haven't changed much Atlanta. The synergy could be better for them, tho

[plush grail]

atlanta is always overrated

[feral zodiac]

Aren't london and paris playing from eu

[plush grail]

people saw them as top6 last season

[raw ermine]

yes

[feral zodiac]

They'll be bottom then

[plush grail]

atlanta is fucking GARBAGE

[raw ermine]

s3 they were

[feral zodiac]

New players and playing from eu means they'll be fucked

[raw ermine]

s2 dafran hype, but they still ended really high

[plush grail]

atlanta is GARBAGE

stop talking

[tawdry hamlet]

pepega

they have objectively the worst roster and objectively the worst org

I have no hope

😦

[untold wraith]

Wdym

[tawdry hamlet]

if not worst the most untested roster

[next mesa]

Titans dogshit

go fuck themselves

[untold wraith]

Titans org is clearly capable of making excellent choices kekw

[tawdry hamlet]

maybe 2 years ago omegalul

not anymore

[next mesa]

I hope they stay last place fprever and drop the fuck out

[tawdry hamlet]

although they made 2 good decisions with ksaa and shockwave, they just didn't keep them

was really really hoping ksaa found a spot as like at least a backup somewhere like paris

sadge

dubai sandstorm was fun to watch

[plush grail]

why so much hate towards titans

[tawdry hamlet]

because their dumbass org fucked up the best roster the league has ever seen

[next mesa]

shut the fuck up

titans shut go die

I hope they shit their pants

[plush grail]

but the paris eternal only got announced a few weeks ago??

[raw ermine]

aqualini is a clown extraordinaire

[tawdry hamlet]

lmao

the paris plug

I like it

wish league wasn't so hard pressed to save money so we could see funny one tricks like chipsa get signed again

[plush grail]

funny one tricks like rascal and libero can wait till season 5

[tawdry hamlet]

🥺

[feral zodiac]

Bruh

[next mesa]

yes

rascal is like a 10 trick pepelaugh

[feral zodiac]

I'm really surprised rascal hasn't been picked up

[silk frost]

Only 10?

[plush grail]

nah rascal can only play brig on owl level

[true hound]

rascal just budget fleta

[tawdry hamlet]

rascal can actually play hanzo though

[silk frost]

Rascal is at least a 14 trick

[plush grail]

rascal got benched for super

rascal washed

[tawdry hamlet]

Fleta looked so out of his depth in playoffs lmaoo

[next mesa]

fleta just looked uncomfy on hanzo

profit alpha'ed him im not gonna lie

[tawdry hamlet]

that whole meta looked uncomfy for shanghai

they literally had to play stand1

omegalul

[silk frost]

Thus we know why they grabbed Erster

[plush grail]

shanghai and philly got fucked by meta

[next mesa]

shanghai didn't

they were very close

philly didn't get fucked by meta

that's just ignorant at this point let's face it

they were just trash

they had a month to prepare

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean having a good team means being able to adapt to any meta but having a good game means that two metas can play into each other without one being clearly better than the other

but that is impossible

[next mesa]

well actually shock said

they were beating most teams with rush dive

but crust was like

[plush grail]

too long didnt read

[tawdry hamlet]

lmao

[next mesa]

"idk hog just hits diff in games lmao so we went with that"

[tawdry hamlet]

I do agree that super whipping out hog just because in grand finals was pretty epic

especially when smurf is probably the better hog

and then he got the final big play so his ego went +900000

I just want to see more diversity

[next mesa]

nah pretty sure super was the better hog

smurf did play in scrims though

crusty says

smurf does well in scrims but just chokes

on hog

in game

[tawdry hamlet]

tragic

[next mesa]

but at one point okay have u heard

the played like

[plush grail]

he chokes just like the titans org pog

[next mesa]

smurf hog hanbin sig architect hanzo xzi widow (i think) and like twilight ana and chara

[tawdry hamlet]

Gesture hog should have been mvp if seoul won

gesture hog was built different

[next mesa]

maybe

that or profit

creative needs to get gud

[plush grail]

i just hate how the finals were on the hog patch instead of the op genji patch

grand finals would be so hype with op genji

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean profit didn't even need that patch

[plush grail]

if we're gonna have a busted character for the finals

atleast make it a fun character like genji

[silk frost]

Mmm yes pull blade every fight much more hype than what we got

[plush grail]

shut up im a simple person

geni go brr fun

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean sigma ball is fun to watch, but there are so many great players that are just excluded because they suck ass in that meta

[plush grail]

a small price to pay for yottachad

[tawdry hamlet]

and ball is op as fuck and they really need to decrease something by a tiny bit so he isn't unkillable while flanking

[plush grail]

ball is ez

just hack

[next mesa]

that's not how it works

also just make shields gain ultcharge

[raw ermine]

a good rule for pro play is that normal counters don't work like they do in ladder, and brig is OP

[next mesa]

If hack gets interrupted

or sombra gets caught

she basically provides no value

pros are better at spy checking and interrupting hack

[silk frost]

Bro do not make shields give ult charge

Thats how it used to be

Dont you think we get ENOUGH rip tirea

Tires

Just remove Sig shield, there were no problems with barriers until him

[next mesa]

u think j silly would be meta just because of that