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plush light
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Philly sandbagging

next mesa
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yes for 3 season straight pepelaugh

silk frost
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I actually agree with Yubo too

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like seoul only really succeeded because of the meta in playoffs, and if playoffs was all that mattered then Washington was a top 5 team last year

raw ermine
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seoul did luck out with the meta

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but it was still fun

silk frost
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it was FUN

true hound
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kind of

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double sniper is kinda zz

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but i dunno it was fun seeing seoul pop off

silk frost
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give me a legs tracer meta bro

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remove every other hero

next mesa
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legs genji ana rein zarya lucio

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cmon bitches

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do it

silk frost
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legs tracer > legs genji

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I want legs tracer ball dva mercy/brig zen

next mesa
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wrong

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genji is peak overwatch

true hound
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^^^

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what in the fuck is tracer

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yucky hero

tawdry hamlet
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in a sniper meta Carpe > Fits

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and philly tankline was way better

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and alarm funnyastro is a goat support line up vs bdosin and tobi

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if we go by old roster I think philly had the talent but were missing key players on certain heroes that became relevant since one player can't flex for both dps

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vs seoul that is

cobalt spoke
true hound
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Fits widow kinda insane tho

next mesa
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fits just better

true hound
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carpe is so good tho

next mesa
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carpe cant even start over heesu bro

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sus

true hound
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but man Fits can even out with ANS

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🙏

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ksp ans fits chads of widow s3

next mesa
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I wish shanghai played diem more

solar bison
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Yeah

next mesa
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let him have ashe tbh

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ashe widow

solar bison
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Diem only played in tournaments

next mesa
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let lip play like

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a new hitscan or smt

solar bison
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Sombra

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Lip sombra

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Diem Ashe

tawdry hamlet
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I think if sombra hadn't been meta washington might have actually beat philly

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Heesu and Lip are best owl sombruh players

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Wasn't meta like reaper sombra before playoffs then just out of nowhere for finals and semi finals it switched to more double sniper?

raw ermine
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in the play-ins to the final 4

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it was moira lucio winston dva reaper sombra

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and zarya hog

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only seoul played the final 4 comp b4 the final 4

next mesa
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yes

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because godly

plush light
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Lip is not that good at sombra. He wiffs enough emps that his fast charge rate doesn't matter

trail perch
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Incorrect

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Lip is easily the best sombra

earnest leaf
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Heesu honestly could give him a run for his money

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Heesu was also by far the best sombra in NA

tawdry hamlet
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isn't sombra tracer like heesu's main heroes

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bro somebody get my boy harryhook a team for the lols

solar bison
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Heesu and LIP are probably the top 2 sombras

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Heesu had more impactful EMPs

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But LIP had faster charge

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Though you do have to factor in that they were in 2 separate regions

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BQB and Fits were also good sombras

trail perch
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Fits was ok

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He never really adjusted to the level of heesu and lip

raw ermine
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get harryhook on a team lul

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imagine

tawdry hamlet
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He's technically still active PogChimp

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Loll

cobalt spoke
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Im going to say it

feral zodiac
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Can't whiff an EMP when you don't have it

mortal abyss
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Over the course of the entire seaason lip is probably better but from the later stages of the season (countdown cup) heesu was definetly better

sullen berry
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should be getting two at once if the plan is to have one of them be head coach

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seems to fall in line with a British hurricane post as well

mortal abyss
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👀

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Yeah will probably be 2 coaches

cursive field
mortal abyss
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o.o

feral zodiac
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Who

tawdry hamlet
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he is the coach of drifters

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the contenders team

vagrant jacinth
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giv London news

wraith vortex
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shock best OWL team

plush grail
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who wins, peak san fransisco shock or peak lunatic hai

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or peak envyus

noble nexus
plush grail
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ehhhhh ok nyxl

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who

tawdry hamlet
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Peak sf shock being s3? Ez peak shock over peak nvy or lunatic

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Just simply from more experience imo

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
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Budget team time

plush grail
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the only time he won something was against a team which doesn't even have a page lmaooo

next mesa
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As the biggest lunatic hai fan peak shock

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Lunatic Hai both finals went to map7

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Not as dominant

plush grail
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it sucks how one of the few teams who could stand up to the shock just fucking disbanded

next mesa
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Ikr

plush grail
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didn't the titans not even have a translator at some point lmao

noble nexus
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I saw someone in the replies to the Halo tweet saying flora had a decent sombra but idk how true that is

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hopefully he's actually quite good

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or nyxl just don't even contend with some of the other good teams in apac

plush grail
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nyxl kinda falling apart

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seoul dropped some players but none of the real big stars tbh

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shanghai is still looking strong

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charge made some changes but didn't get weaker

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spark just became way better

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and fucking philly is coming to apac

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chengdu is a coin toss tbh but nyxl might legit just be bottom feeders in s4

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also i'm really expecting spark to become either the #1 or contender for #1 because they're really fucking trying HARD

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they have such a big and varied roster and they're really investing

noble nexus
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I wouldn't be surprised if spark dominate apac but I think shock still slap them around if it's shock vs spark gf

feral zodiac
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I don't think they'll dominate

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But I can see them top 3, top 2

primal minnow
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Definitely will contest apac with shanghai and philly

feral zodiac
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Charge will be on and off imo

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Seoul I just don't know

noble nexus
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Yeah I don't think they'd dominate apac but it wouldn't surprise me if they did

feral zodiac
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Chengdu are just bad

next mesa
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yall overhyping spark for now

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They still got swept by the dragons

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charge better than them

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for now

vagrant jacinth
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Anybody made any power rankings yet? I'm curious to see them

noble nexus
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I think once the spark get used to having a half korean half chinese roster and the team synergy is better they'll probably be insane

hot heart
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But until then

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I have one i shared a couple days ago

cobalt spoke
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Notice how sf shock wasnt in any of those

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Theyre holding back

hot heart
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@vagrant jacinth

cobalt spoke
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I think putting the Washington justice up that high is a stretch

hot heart
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Yeah

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I should have switched them out with like

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HZ

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Or GZ

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But i believe in supreme

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And WJ tank line is superb

vagrant jacinth
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Idk i think you could make a case for wash being there

hot heart
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They have a top tier hitscan in decay

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A decent support line

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A decent secondary HS

vagrant jacinth
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Philly 5th?

hot heart
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And a decenr flex dps

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See

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I put philly im 5th for one reason only

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The rascal rumour

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If it's true

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They went from like

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7th or 8th

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To 5th

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Easy

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Also top tier support line

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Top MT in Mano and a good OT in poko

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Carpe is a beast as well

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Not enough to warrant anything above 5th though

tropic herald
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Still waiting for GBS to sign somewhere

hot heart
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I expect him to go to boston or houstan

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Or potentially even philly

tropic herald
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Except Philly and Glads both want GBS so I figured it’s one of those

vagrant jacinth
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Fair. I probably wouldn't rank glads that high, I think they'll end up high mid table

cedar oasis
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Um

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Boston over nyxl

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And Chengdu

vagrant jacinth
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Im a soon simp but I'd put them around there too

next mesa
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not a bad powerranking

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@hot heart

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honestly I might put fusion above glads

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fuel above fusion maybe

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id put seoul over justice but yall know me im a seoul simp

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depends if they sign libero/rascal

hot heart
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Yeah

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So

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As it stands

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Washington got libero

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And philly, rascal

next mesa
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Rl

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ok idk if its a hot take

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but id put spitfire over paris?

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and hunters above reign lol

cedar oasis
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Why is nyxl so low

wanton birch
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it looks like glads are done signing imo

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with them posting stuff about there new players on twitter

next mesa
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wtf

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sus link

hot heart
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Gonna assume it was some bot

next mesa
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oh yeah

plush grail
next mesa
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well okay

plush grail
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london we can kinda place in the tierlist

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but paris is just a weird one, they have some owl veterans but alot of rookies

next mesa
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well just look

plush grail
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they could end up being mid tier or bottom tier

next mesa
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u got onigod

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and some obey alliance

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tsuna onigod ellivote

plush grail
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and the big dick tank main daan

next mesa
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are like

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not really owl veterans

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neptuno is though, good veteran presence

plush grail
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lets just hope london and paris do well

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if they get fucked

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EU talent is gonna be picked up way less

next mesa
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define do well

plush grail
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not be bottom level and win maybe 1 in 20 games

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dont be like boston pretty much

next mesa
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titans is gonna be boston

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they are prob gonna be 17th or 18th

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actually if they beat like valiant and reign I wouldn't be that surprised im not gonna lie

plush grail
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idk if linkzr and dalton have a good day

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they might beat some mid tier teams

hot heart
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Vancouver is just a tier below everyone else

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F- tier or some shit

mortal abyss
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Titans will be dog without shockwave

next mesa
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even if they have a good day the support line wouldnt be able to keep the already shit tankline alive

vagrant jacinth
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Paris would probably end up low on my tier list. Only bc idk much about their roster

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I wanna look into some of these rosters more before I try and make mine

limber pine
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I think how the divisions shape up makes a huge difference

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if Blizz ends up getting 10 in APAC and 10 in NA/EU

karmic grotto
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APAC would be the good matches

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NA would be

limber pine
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lul

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with Philly moving to APAC, they'd just need two more if they wanted

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Dallas, Washington, or Florida could move

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Dallas and Florida backed by orgs, so they'd be the likely ones

next mesa
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Dallas is staying

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thats what rush said at least

limber pine
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ah I hadn't heard that

plush grail
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man if dallas went to apac

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na was gonna be hella weak

limber pine
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well florida LAG SFS at least

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and if APAC sticks with 8, then Washington and LAV at least decent

mortal abyss
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Envy has a massive training facility for all their esports teams so i think they are probably stayin in NA

earnest leaf
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All of owl seemingly got better for this year

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Outside of a few teams

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So it would be hard to say if na or apac is better for next year

limber pine
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teams better preparing for 2021

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rather than having to pivot 800 times in 2020

cedar oasis
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Oh

weak bolt
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Literally 1 min after premiere of Plat Chat

cloud latch
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lol

cedar oasis
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I mean

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They have ivy

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He is good

raw ermine
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that sounds nuts

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like with good coaching it sound like it could be a top tier dps line but its NYXL haha coaching

cloud latch
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sadge

limber pine
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somebody on twitter said Feath5r is Pelicans 2.0 and Gwangboong is Happy 2.0

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if that's true, then that's really scary

plush grail
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big hopes for them

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they've got big shoes to fill

vagrant jacinth
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That's some good signings

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But im gonna miss the old nyxl squad

solar bison
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Almost thought Feath5r was F1ow3r

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NYXL squad looking mid

cobalt spoke
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Apac is better on average

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Na is better at peak

wanton birch
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Man I know this is stupid but nyxl has one of the worst fan bases in my eyes just from one very active fan on twitter and their discord

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Not gonna name names but holy shit

feral zodiac
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Na peak is literally just
Shock

Everyone else

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Although that might change big time this year

wanton birch
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Shock op, nerf next patch

feral zodiac
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We got a lot of stacked rosters and supposedly insane rookies

wanton birch
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I’m a glads fan but I think people might be ranking them a bit too high

true hound
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philly will still be good

feral zodiac
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Glads always dissapoints

true hound
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but they lost fury right

wanton birch
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Top 5 , yes. Top 3, maybe if we are lucky

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But I’ve seen far too many second places

feral zodiac
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Although glads do have a good support lineup this time

true hound
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they also have kev birdring mirror which is super good

feral zodiac
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And the new mt and moth

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I can't remember the mts name, but he's meant to be an insane rookie tank

wanton birch
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Muze

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Auto correct sry

feral zodiac
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Le moose

wanton birch
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If glads sign GaeBullSsi I can see them being top 3

feral zodiac
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Hm

wanton birch
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They’ve a fairly equal dps line to Paris, better supports and with GaeBullSsi pretty even tanks

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DALLAS

feral zodiac
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Man

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Are you in my head

wanton birch
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I keep forgetting it’s now Dallas XD

feral zodiac
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I was literally typing about dallas

bold escarp
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Is there any way to get unbanned from overwatch? Because I am banned for the SEASON

wanton birch
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Don’t do anything stupid

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Next season that is

feral zodiac
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Why did you get banned?

plush light
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Just play quick play lol

bold escarp
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Bro i don't wanna play qp

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I just need account to play on

feral zodiac
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Why did you get banned my guy

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Man :/

silk frost
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NYXL with the big deeps

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Still a little concerned though

earnest leaf
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@cobalt spoke apac only looked better because they didn't have boston and titans and what not

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Chengdu/london/seoul/spark all did pretty mediocre or poorly

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It was the shd show and gz looking decent

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Then nyxl being mediocre

cedar oasis
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All nyxl needs now is better coaches

hot heart
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NYXL's dps line is just very good imo

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I have high hopes for them

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Weird thing is

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Im most excited for flora

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He looks very promising

noble nexus
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yeah he's the least well known but apparently his sombra is good

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but regardless that dps line is nutty

silk frost
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yeah like who's even the best player of the four?

next mesa
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gwangboong

silk frost
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Better than Ivy?

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I think he's great but I'm not sure f he's THAT good

mortal abyss
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Ivy was probably a top 4 flex dps last season

vagrant jacinth
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Out of that four I'd say ivy

noble nexus
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yeah probably ivy

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but gwangboong looks insane too

next mesa
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idk either tbh

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wow I said it really confidently

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fuck it

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gwangboong

limber pine
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I'll have to go back and look at KR contenders

tropic herald
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thats a pretty raw group of dps

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ivy is refined

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but the other 3 have high ceilings just arent polished

cedar oasis
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All nyxl has to do is develop some young players with alot of potential

hot heart
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The only big concern now is friday and how he performs

next mesa
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honestly

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I think nyxl roster looks kinda nice

hot heart
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Yeah

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The dps line especially

next mesa
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lowkey lowkey wouldn't be surprised if they compete

hot heart
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The tankline is solid

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The support line is a bit iffy but could be great with alot of work

next mesa
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support line questionable yes

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but honestly yakpung and bianca looks nice

hot heart
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Ye

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They dont have much risk

lime field
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i think friday wouldn't be too much of a problem his old teammate checkmate and skewed from OZ gaming were doing ok in some parts of the valiant winter ball

hot heart
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But alot of reward

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If that makes sense

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Overall NYXL are lookin good coming into 2021

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Just another FS and Maybe MT

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And im ALOT more confident in them

lime field
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anyone excited for the hurricanes being promoted to OWL?

mortal abyss
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yeah

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Problem is, if Paris and London are both bottom teams next year that's going to reflect badly on EU as a reigon

lime field
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hopefully london does well, the british hurricane look very promising in contenders and makes me want to support london again if they do promote :P

mortal abyss
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Yeah i'm definetly rooting for London

next mesa
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They prob gonna get shit on by team cc doe

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wait are they even gonna play

silk frost
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likely not sadly

mortal abyss
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The ping will probably be much worse then when Eu played NA, so sadlynot.

twilit plume
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So how often do the league come around in overwatch?

raw ermine
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normally, OW will return in feb 2021

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however, if OW2 is here, then some believe it will be april 2021

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depending about what you believe about OW2's release date, it might be one or the other to you

limber pine
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I think officially they said “Spring 2021”

karmic grotto
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I hope so

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That's season 4

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But OW 2 man :/

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When did they start working on this?

gloomy vector
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next season is either gonna be the worst or the best like the teams are wacky

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oh and OW2 is rumored around like fall season so we probably wont get OW2 for next season of owl

karmic grotto
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I think it's going to be fun

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You never know

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Titans might win the league

feral zodiac
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Distance between ow 2 release date and its announcement is probs gonna be similar to ow1

tawdry hamlet
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Out of all the dps ivy is the only one I have any hope for in new York

gloomy vector
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i rather wonder what team will be worst compared
to last year

tawdry hamlet
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Like who made the biggest downgrades?

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I would say vancouver but all they did was side grade

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Minus like losing shockwave

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But gaining Linkzr

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So like all sidegrades

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Carcar for fire etc.

gloomy vector
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also paris which tbf i didnt think they were the best last year they kinda got lucky for the meta that boosted them

tawdry hamlet
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Ooh yeah paris made some fat downgrades and went from upper mid to likely bottom tbh

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Literally dumped their only promising players sadthonk

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Well they dumped all of them but the promising ones were just shoved over to dallas

raw ermine
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if were talking about from start to start

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titans

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but end to start

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paris

plush light
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Paris had budget issues

tawdry hamlet
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When you lose sparkle fdgod and Xzi in one off season sadthonk

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And replace them with tsuna and onigod and neptuno

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Tragic

gloomy vector
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onigod can be really good tho

tawdry hamlet
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All three of those are downgrades MEGALUL

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True

next mesa
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Linkzr is not a sidegrade to shockwave wym

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Downgrade

tawdry hamlet
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True, I more so just meant in general they were side grades

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Also wasn't shockwave on like 200 ping?

gloomy vector
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i also dont think philly is gonna be up there this year unless shockwave can pick it up

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it also depends on the meta tbf

tawdry hamlet
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Idk how I feel about the new tank line and losing ivy but carpe shockwave and alarm astro looks pretty top ngl

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I just don't know where to gauge shockwave at because his team was dog last year

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But I know he's really good just not sure if he's upper mid or top or what

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Is Xzi = Ans = Diem accurate or do you guys think Xzi is a small tier below?

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Tbh I'd put carpe and Xzi a little below diem and ans

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On widow that is

gloomy vector
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i mean xzi seems like just ok not bad but not the best (compared to the others who play the same roles)

primal minnow
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Wdym?

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XZI is definitely a top tier hit scan

gloomy vector
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others in his role are better imo like he's good dont get me wrong but comparably he is worst

primal minnow
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How?

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I’d say the only people better than him are ans, diem and carpe

feral zodiac
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Xzi is easily top tier

primal minnow
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He’s definitely a top 5 hit scan

gloomy vector
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yeah but i feel like they are more consistent than him

primal minnow
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That’s because they are better than him but how you’re phrasing it you’re making out xzi to not be top tier

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Which he is top tier

gloomy vector
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also the fact that they lost to justice last year maybe also plays into effect '

feral zodiac
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Uh

primal minnow
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Florida lost to them, that doesn’t make bqb bad

feral zodiac
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Justice finished 3rd in na last season

primal minnow
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Valiant lost to them, doesn’t make ksp bad

gloomy vector
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no florida is trash

feral zodiac
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?

primal minnow
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How

mortal abyss
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?

feral zodiac
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Florida is decent

primal minnow
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Florida is a good team

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They were in the top half of the league

mortal abyss
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Florida was top 4 in NA last season

gloomy vector
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im trolling now also they were ok at best

primal minnow
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How?

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They were top 4 na

feral zodiac
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I'd say they got pushed out of top 4 towards the end

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More like top 5/6

primal minnow
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Weren’t they in losers semi-finals though?

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They finished in the top 4 NA teams

gloomy vector
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i just they couldnt adapt to a comp that they knew was coming justice played it all during playoffs thats another actual reasoning

feral zodiac
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Yeah that's where they finished

gloomy vector
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if your team isnt adaptable they are just ok

primal minnow
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They finished 6th in overall standings as well

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And they were adaptable?

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How could they predict a double off tank meta?

gloomy vector
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did paris even take a map from justice

mortal abyss
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A lot of teams couldn’t adapt because they all had very little time to adapt and really the only comp that could consistently beat hog zarya was hog sigma which literally no team (apart from Seoul) had managed to learn

primal minnow
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No, but yet again justice had decay on zayra, everyone was on their comfort pics and the meta fell right into their hands.

primal minnow
gloomy vector
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an ez off tank that they knew was coming they could have played around it all im sayiing

mortal abyss
feral zodiac
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I'd say valiant took over mayhem realistically during playoffs

gloomy vector
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i mean it kinda does

primal minnow
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It doesn’t though?

mortal abyss
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It reLly doesn’t, we were shown numerous times throughout the season of mayhem adapting to overcome their opponents

primal minnow
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By your logic that means Shanghai wasn’t a top tier team because they lost to Seoul

feral zodiac
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Shock got 3-0'd by glads therefore they had a bad year

gloomy vector
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look im in the minority here and i know it this is the way i see it

primal minnow
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Didn’t they get 3-0’d by valiant as well

feral zodiac
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Yep

mortal abyss
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Yep

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And 3-0ed by fusion

feral zodiac
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Both glads teams back to back

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Sinatraa and super feeding their brains out

gloomy vector
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so if a team couldnt adapt to a comp they knew was coming then i dont know what to say other than they are bad

primal minnow
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Nobody knew double off tank was coming?

gloomy vector
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wdym justice only played it

mortal abyss
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That’s kind of like saying “no one could counter goats therefore every OWL team was bad”

feral zodiac
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Mayhem read the meta wrong

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Shock have done the same thing before

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Does that make shock bad

primal minnow
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They had like 2 weeks to prepare and that was it

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They read the meta wrong, but that doesn’t make them a bad team

balmy wolf
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people thought dive was still enough in t1 play to counter hog

gloomy vector
#

well my argument was mainly just for paris and saying how meh they were

balmy wolf
#

which was wrong but it was an not a bad assumption either

gloomy vector
#

the florida thing was just a joke

mortal abyss
primal minnow
#

Paris finished top 4 in overall standings

#

You aren’t meh if you do that

gloomy vector
#

but lost to justice so bad

feral zodiac
#

Paris disappointed in the end

primal minnow
#

Florida lost to justice

#

Shock nearly did?

#

That doesn’t make them bad

mortal abyss
#

They did kind of slow down after summer showdown

gloomy vector
#

but they didnt

feral zodiac
#

Losing to reign was worse than losing to justice

primal minnow
#

As said before justice got very lucky with the meta

gloomy vector
#

results matter paris got 3-0ed shock didnt

#

yes luck plays well in OWL

primal minnow
#

They had to reverse sweep the 19th placed team

#

By your logic that would make shock an eh team at most

#

1 loss does not define a team

gloomy vector
#

yes it does dragon lost so bad

primal minnow
#

Anyways

gloomy vector
#

but also i dont agree with the reverse sweep argument because luck is in a game and map choice and pairs lost 2 maps they picked

primal minnow
#

So?

#

1 loss does not define a team

#

If it did then shock would be defined as bad as they were 3-0’d by both la teams and philly

gloomy vector
#

but also they sweep every team so that already doesnt apply

primal minnow
#

But Paris has dominated teams before as well?

tawdry hamlet
#

I just want to know how top na widows stack up catpog pepesweat2 to top apac widows

feral zodiac
#

Pretty well

tawdry hamlet
#

Let me watch diem vs ksp and kaylee vs shockwave already

feral zodiac
#

Diem, happy, libero, architect all hold their own against the likes of ans, ksp, carpe, heesu, decay

gloomy vector
#

thats what i was wondering i think it might be the best/worst season so far because of the wacky teams

tawdry hamlet
#

Idk in my head I never considered ksp a top widow, I've always just thought there's this gap between say him and like xzi or something

feral zodiac
#

Nah

#

He's performed agaisnt top hitscans

tawdry hamlet
#

Like he's definitely up there but I always imagine there's a gap between them

feral zodiac
#

He's also not exactly on as good a team as xzi

tawdry hamlet
#

Lmao imagine a support line as mid tier as Crimzo Dogman tho

#

Like that's peak mid

primal minnow
#

Why would they run 2 flex supports?

next mesa
#

Because they had super

#

Super always wins he's a god gamer

tawdry hamlet
#

Hmm, I guess I can see how team dva lost given his inspirational play

next mesa
#

? It's true

primal minnow
#

Giga chad

tawdry hamlet
#

Nicodgh isn't that good cold take

next mesa
#

Nico is good

#

Wdymmm

tawdry hamlet
#

He looked so mehh on shus money crew in gauntlet sadthonk

next mesa
#

Oo

#

I haven't watched that

tawdry hamlet
#

Tbf they went against new kings that had lullsish ellivote and onigod but still loll

#

Gauntlet really exposed all the low tier players in owl tho

#

Like so many t2 talents that could just dumpster them

plush grail
#

poggy for owl when

tawdry hamlet
#

Tomorrow

plush grail
#

SFS has this super washed up flex support you could replace

tawdry hamlet
#

Im the new nyxl tank

plush grail
#

NYXL tanks are so hit or miss

#

You're either God mano or feeding hotba

tawdry hamlet
#

If they had mums they'd ez dubs bet

#

Muma

feral zodiac
#

Benbest still with no team 😭

plush grail
#

Nah don't hate on muma he doesn't feed

#

He just likes to jump in to surprise the enemy and he likes to save his primal for entire matches

#

Why use his primal on Saturday when he might need it on Sunday ya know

tawdry hamlet
#

That's in fact true

#

The next series needs that primal rage because the outlaws are so insane they didn't need another ult

plush grail
#

Muma is so good he just stopped playing

tawdry hamlet
#

I want houston to succeed so bad unironically though, I know im getting sucked into the hype cycle but their roster actually looks real this year, if only they were able to keep jecse and rapel they'd be a real contender sadthonk

plush grail
#

Preserving his skill

plush grail
#

Even tho the battle for texas this year is gonna be such a stomp lmao

tawdry hamlet
#

Battle of texas is going to be like how a battle of cali last year would've been

#

Glads vs shock last year OmegaLUL

plush grail
#

Glads was interesting

tawdry hamlet
#

They had potential but tanks and support were kind of gross

plush grail
#

Also I found out yesterday atlanta is a american team

#

I fr thought they were Canadian

tawdry hamlet
#

Loll

#

They are south east usa yes lmao

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
#

That's true

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
#

Kevster and slowly getting worse over time birdring carry

#

Fair enough

feral zodiac
#

Space was good

#

Oge disappointed as always

tawdry hamlet
#

Oh yeah and space loll totally forgot him

plush grail
#

Yeah space better be good with the 400k contract

#

I still don't get why he's so expensive

feral zodiac
#

Shaz and bigoose were just bad

tawdry hamlet
#

Space is a pretty top na off tank but idk why he's so expensive

balmy wolf
#

his buyout was 200k

feral zodiac
#

He earns 400k a year???

plush grail
#

His buyout and contract together were like 400k in total tho right

balmy wolf
#

his salary is presumably 200k if it does add to 400k total

feral zodiac
#

Oh

#

God damn

balmy wolf
#

200k for salary, 200k for buyout

plush grail
#

You could fuckin buy the entire paris roster with 400k

#

Would you rather have a full team, or 1 space

feral zodiac
#

That's like, 1/15th what decay earns lmao

balmy wolf
#

and we only know of this because sideshow leak on it stream

feral zodiac
#

Some owl wages must be seriously nutty

balmy wolf
#

probs

#

maybe not this year tho

plush grail
#

Pretty sure nobody earns over a million

#

Not that much

feral zodiac
#

Imagine what someone like fleta is earning

tawdry hamlet
#

Rascal finna get that like 500k salary from someone

feral zodiac
#

Actually

#

I'll bet smurf has the highest wages

tawdry hamlet
#

Also can philly just fucking announce rascal already, they're like the only team with 3 dps just say you got rascal

#

Justice would be cool with rascal too HYPE

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
#

Imagine lmao

#

They went full budget to afford him

next mesa
#

Space is best western ot yes

feral zodiac
#

Imagine he went to Vancouver lmao

feral zodiac
plush grail
#

Also every nyxl member except for hotba is getting picked up lmaooo

feral zodiac
#

Second is probably poko

next mesa
#

Yea

plush grail
#

Poko is hot so poko wins

next mesa
#

Poko pretty close tbh

tawdry hamlet
#

Hotba doesn't deserve to be picked up so I mean poggers

next mesa
#

Could have an argument

tawdry hamlet
#

Glad some shit team like houston didn't go for hotba

#

I could see that happening

feral zodiac
#

Space has shown more flexibility from what I remember this season

plush grail
#

Also poko is now the hottest owl player with no competition now that benbest is gone pog

feral zodiac
#

Benbest got done dirty

next mesa
#

It's sbb

#

Sbb was hotter than benbest I'm not gonna lie

#

For me at least

feral zodiac
#

Wdym was

plush grail
#

Oh wait ye I totally forgot that my favorite player got picked up for a sec

#

SBB king

tawdry hamlet
#

😩 😩 😩 😩

#

Still waiting to watch seominsooo play again catpog

plush grail
#

Shockwave is meh

#

Basic fuckboy hair

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
#

It is, I don't think spark is overhyped but they invested in so much talent that given coaching could be crazy

#

They just look so raw atm

#

Vs charge who took shanghai to a map 4 or whatever

#

Man someone like fate could make charge one of the best teams in the league imo

#

Their roster looks so good but I can't pick out who the weakest links are that would make them top tier

#

Maybe mandu?

#

I'd imagine mandu or rio maybe but in terms of mechanical skill at least charge look stacked

plush grail
#

I don't even know the current roster of the charge

#

All I know is that they were gods during double shield

#

And shit at the resy

tawdry hamlet
#

But kaylee is cracked and kariv still has something in him

#

And Eileen is insane like usual

#

Choi is new and can learn

#

Idk about mandu and rio but I always hear good things about crong

plush grail
#

Idk man

#

If sig isn't meta the tank line is kinda fucked

#

If dive returns they're gonna suck

#

But if they can force shields they'll be fine

#

Also kinda weird they picked Mandu because I remember him being known for his agressive lucio

#

The type of lucio that would do well with dive

next mesa
#

Charge still second best team in apac

#

Maybe behind fusion

#

This season

plush grail
#

no

plush light
#

Charge was quite good

#

Top 5 teams probably

plush grail
#

no

tawdry hamlet
#

Without sigma imma drop a hot take

#

Without sigma crong kind of bad

#

But crong is a top level sigma

#

And it showed during double shield

#

Kariv sometimes does some -50090900 iq plays and other times looks insane

next mesa
#

Kariv overhyped for valiant

#

But

#

Now kinda underrated

#

Since toronto

tawdry hamlet
#

Like he was on bap and gets killed by ljg mercy but then next game does like insane ana play

#

He's just hit or miss for me

#

But overall upper mid

#

Ok but the real people nobody remembers, Toronto's extra players they dropped like nevix lmao

#

Didn't even know who he was

next mesa
#

He was on shock in 2019

#

He played sig before choi mastered him i think

tawdry hamlet
#

Rocky Mangachu and zYKK tho

#

Like can't remember seeing them play ever

next mesa
#

Yeah ik mangachu

#

Cuz he beat dafran in for 1v1

tawdry hamlet
#

Silly Hero Specialist

#

He really do be the only player to have a world cup kill on torb hammer

#

Tbh I barely remember any of toronto last season besides summer showdown

plush light
#

Zykk was their mei specialist, roky was their backup support, and mangachu was their coach/dps backup

tawdry hamlet
#

They had a specialist just for mei?

#

Wildn

raw ermine
#

agilities was sick I think

#

so they did a 14 day contract for zykk

#

and cause he was way better at mei

#

they made it long term

tawdry hamlet
#

Damn crazy, that money was so much more plentiful we could confidently sign one tricks without worrying about wasting money

#

Now covid fucked it and people like chipsa who don't deserve a team can't find one sadthonk

#

It was just funny that this off season was like one trick culling

#

Because they can't be afforded anymore

slow kraken
#

Chipsa deserved his contract

#

Wym

tawdry hamlet
#

Ameng starring in, Last One Trick Standing

slow kraken
#

Ameng actually plays tho

tawdry hamlet
#

Yee

#

I enjoy ameng

#

He is fun player to watch because he's so unique in his play

slow kraken
#

Chipsa was really just a streamer and has lots of selling value like super

#

But super can play

tawdry hamlet
#

Yeah, in the once in a lifetime that doomfist is relevant he fell off the map omegalul

sullen berry
#

Alright so which teams have solidified their rosters for 2021 outside of Asia

#

I think Asia is all wrapped up now HangzhouSpark ShanghaiDragons ChengduHunters SeoulDynasty GuangzhouCharge

next mesa
#

sign diya dont be a pussy

silk frost
#

Do it Diya

next mesa
#

charge/hunters/spark

#

dont be a fucking pussy bro

silk frost
#

stfu

#

london

next mesa
#

ah yes lets stick a chinese player into a full eu roster

tawdry hamlet
#

lmao

#

I was going to say he probably speaks english from scrimming in shanghai before realizing that he would likely know korean not english

#

omegalul

wooden robin
#

Im trying to learn rein so i was wondering who the best rein player in the league was

#

Also can u @ me when u respond I seldom check this channel

next mesa
#

@wooden robin the god gamer super

tawdry hamlet
#

Super is up there, Gator in his prime was really good too

#

Sado has a beast rein as well but super typically plays more aggressive and gets bigger plays

#

So I'd probably put him at the top then sado

raw ermine
solar bison
#

They moved to APAC

karmic grotto
#

Interesting

tawdry hamlet
#

Really all the apac power rankings are dependent on if Fusion get Rascal or not

karmic grotto
#

I hope they're scrimming already

tawdry hamlet
#

Fusion with rascal will likely be better than the rest but without they will probably be on the same tier as spark

karmic grotto
next mesa
#

Nah honestly fusion didn't get much weaker

tawdry hamlet
#

idk, Fury and Sado were like the third best tankline in the owl and Ivy was great for characters heesu or carpe didn't have, shockwave is a nice addition though

next mesa
#

Sado and fury for mano and poko

#

Not much of a downgrade

#

You lose ivy and heesu but you still have eqo and get shockwave

#

You still keep carpe alarm funnyastro

tawdry hamlet
#

yeah that is true, I just think sado is far better than mano tbh, it is hard to tell since all the apac teams look stacked

next mesa
#

Oh no no no

#

Wrong

tawdry hamlet
#

only like 5 players have actual liquidpedia pages and of those only like 3 of them are on relevant teams

sullen berry
#

The first place team, in addition to the cash prize, receives Vancouver Titans jerseys and can participate in a match against the Titans.

#

damn what a tournament that must have been for them

tawdry hamlet
#

loll

feral zodiac
#

Best rein is easily either sado or super

mortal abyss
#

Probably super seeing as how it’s probably the hero he scrims and practices the most whereas sado has to practice every other main tank

feral zodiac
#

Off tank?

forest lichen
#

Non-main tank

mortal abyss
#

sorry, autocorrect

plush grail
#

the chad variety mt vs the virgin finisher

next mesa
#

Fearless too

vagrant jacinth
#

^^fearless was great

cobalt spoke
#

Sado and supet were a bit above fearless

next mesa
#

Yeah probs

#

He didn't play much rein

#

He did absolutely fuck in the all stars game doe

#

I mean just alphaed

silk frost
#

Dude I think I saw someone say Gator was one of yhe best reins in his prime

feral zodiac
#

Fearless isn't quite as good a rein as someone like super or sado

silk frost
#

But yeah Fearless didn't get much time on the burly german

feral zodiac
#

His winston though

#

Well

#

Very few players that are as good as him

silk frost
#

Benbest and Mano are very good though

#

At Rein

feral zodiac
#

Ye

plush light
next mesa
#

??????? fucking cringe

limber pine
#

probably a decision made a long time ago

#

it sucks, but isn't terribly unexpected

raw ermine
#

uh oh

hot heart
#

This sucks absolute ass for london

#

BH enter the league just to get fucked over like this

raw ermine
#

maybe they will do that new thing where the players have there pings aritificially increased

hot heart
#

Yeah

raw ermine
#

didn't that get added recently?

next mesa
#

yes they will try to make everyone play on 90-140 ping I think

#

still cringe..

raw ermine
#

damn Gwangboong and flora are both underage

#

well flora is for 3 days

karmic grotto
#

This decision ain't doing good for us

#

Can't they just go to Korea?

feral zodiac
#

So Paris and london are finishing last

plush grail
#

imagine being a league where you have to buy a spot for like 10 million

#

but you can't even let your players play properly

#

what a joke

hot heart
#

Bro

#

Idk

#

There must be a good reason

#

Probably just covid

plush grail
#

it's just annoying because the budget EU players are gonna look 5x worse in game with the ping

hot heart
#

Ye

#

It sucks but what can we do about it?

#

We just have to cheer the EU teams on so they dont get discouraged

plush grail
#

I really hope they manage something before the season starts

karmic grotto
#

we have 4 months

plush grail
#

Maybe london and paris could work together and try to get a split facility

karmic grotto
#

it will be fine

plush grail
#

just make EU its own region lmao

noble nexus
#

https://twitter.com/NYXL/status/1341806023808454657

NYXL (@NYXL)

They’re ever-present and relentlessly dedicated behind the scenes: please give a warm welcome to our coaching staff for the 2021 season.

Head Coach: @WhyNot_ow
Coach: @OWSqix
Head of Data: @OWimt
General Manager: @arqnuGget
Player Manager: @Unknown_0771

#EverUpward

Twitter ·
#

Coaching changes 👀

gilded dagger
#

Woah

limber pine
#

looks like a rework

cedar oasis
#

Are they good?

#

Or atleast better then last seasons coaches

limber pine
#

whynot was with the team last year as assistant coach

#

IMT has been with them for two years

cedar oasis
#

What about sqix

limber pine
#

he was with london looks like

#

last year

#

looks like more of the same

cedar oasis
#

If the coaches are still bad then nyxl will perform badly

#

Hopefully they have gotten better

#

And they know how to develop young talent

limber pine
#

I'm watching some matches of Flora

#

boy am I unimpressed

cedar oasis
#

Wait did imt get demoted?

limber pine
#

yes

#

he's back to analyst

turbid cargo
#

(From quite some time ago but I’m lookin back)

feral zodiac
limber pine
#

meh

#

he's certainly not the carry

#

plays sombra ashe

#

neither are particularly noticeable

feral zodiac
#

Hmm

limber pine
#

I'd consider his DPS partner AlphaYi the better prospect

feral zodiac
#

Could end up suprising

limber pine
#

no doubt

#

I only have contenders vods to look at. no idea what he was like in scrims or trials

#

BM vs Diamond is what I'm watching now

feral zodiac
#

Gotta have shown something to be picked up

#

I hope

#

Right off the bat, I swear these teams would both beat boston

limber pine
#

Sombra: His manual hacks were okay; EMPs were generally poor to terrible; often gets killed first.

feral zodiac
#

Hmm

raw ermine
#

wtf is head of data

noble nexus
#

numbers and shit

karmic grotto
#

what numbers?

limber pine
#

It just means he’s an analyst

#

Fancy title is fancy

noble nexus
#

I literally responded with "numbers and shit" and you questioned it as if I know what I'm talking about

raw ermine
#

head of numbers

noble nexus
#

Mr numbers

raw ermine
#

I wonder if IMT is the first staff to have 3 different positions

silk frost
#

Coolmatt, no?

#

technically player, manager, GM

feral zodiac
#

That must be so much stress

raw ermine
#

I meant staff but yeah that is close

tawdry hamlet
solar bison
#

How high do you rate dreamer as a MT

tawdry hamlet
#

Idek honestly because the only time I watched valiant close enough to judge was summer showdown and he was out sick loll

#

I'd gauge him at mid like gator tier

next mesa
#

Trash

feral zodiac
#

He has his moments

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean anything below top tier main tanks are often ridiculed like crazy

silk frost
#

like a c+ tier

balmy wolf
#

sup

silk frost
#

d... did you post that in EVERY channel

tawdry hamlet
tawdry hamlet
silk frost
#

Interesting

sullen berry
#

Yeah fischer was already on British Hurricane 🌀

tawdry hamlet
#

I just don't get the titans or london right now, they both realistically have almost no shot at winning anything, so why are they continuing to sink money into it

gilded dagger
#

True

#

Spitfire have nobody

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean I guess I can get it because those teams were really good at one point, but then there are teams like Chengdu that just throw money away by the fistful

gilded dagger
#

And Titans just have fire frd and linkzr

tawdry hamlet
#

It has already been shown there are better teams in contenders than the Hurricane and on top of that they are going to be playing on 140 ping so I have almost no faith whatsoever in London

gilded dagger
#

True

tawdry hamlet
#

Vancouver though, I genuinely have no faith in them, like maybe by a fluke the hurricane could be good but Vancouver, that roster just looks like shittt

gilded dagger
#

Do spitfire still have jmac?

tawdry hamlet
#

nah they dropped everyone and are likely promoting their academy team to take the place

gilded dagger
#

O ya right

#

That was so long ago

tawdry hamlet
#

their academy team only lost like 2 series ever and one was a show match so they are good, but the skill gap between them and other teams still looks very big

gilded dagger
#

Ya

tawdry hamlet
#

hopefully scrims and shit will get them up to standard but it looks bleak 😦

gilded dagger
#

Especially teams like shock and dynasty

tawdry hamlet
#

tbh Shock are insanely stacked, imo there is like a 5% chance they don't make grand finals again

#

even 5 percent is a little big considering they have the best or second best player in every single role

gilded dagger
#

Who r the teams who desperately need a good ms

tawdry hamlet
#

and then all those extra dps they signed on top of it

gilded dagger
#

Cos I rlly hope tobi finds a team

#

Meko as well

tawdry hamlet
#

idk where tobi could go now, I forgot who even has a spot open if anyone

gilded dagger
#

They’re both very talented players who have such good potential

#

Maybe justice

#

I mean bebe

tawdry hamlet
#

Justice signed Bebe and Closer

gilded dagger
#

Can’t play a super good mercy

tawdry hamlet
#

which isn't super inspiring

#

but better than nothing

gilded dagger
#

O yeah

#

Forgot about closer lol

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean really the worst looking support lines for me are roolf and fire and joobi and crimzo

gilded dagger
#

Ya

#

Imma go to bed now

#

It’s like 1 am

mortal abyss
#

I think Justice won't be a top 5 team next year tbh

#

like

#

yeah mag fury decay

#

But you look at the the supporting cast and it doesn't exactly make you hyped.

feral zodiac
#

Ria is pretty hype

primal minnow
#

Ttuba seems like he’s improving and improving

#

But the support line

#

They will have to put in a lot of work to improve if they want to be a top 5 team

grave sail
#

ttuba is really good

#

he just had terrible supports and tanks all year

primal minnow
#

Bebe and closer are good don’t get that wrong but are they top 5 good

grave sail
#

hes also apparently been shitting on people in scrims

tawdry hamlet
#

Ttuba looked good the second Roar was out im ngl

grave sail
#

he looked good before that on doom genji hanzo pharah

#

arguably mei

#

its just that before playoffs his hitscan was terrible

tawdry hamlet
#

Stitch really came in clutch with that

#

crazy stitch isn't even on a team this year

grave sail
#

i wouldnt be surprised if ttuba was an s tier fdps next season

#

stitch was only really good on ashe at the end

#

and that was under goated washington coachinf

#

so it makes sense hes not picked up

#

diya and mer1t still dont have owl teams

tawdry hamlet
#

Stitch was Runaway OG Sadge

#

VancouverTitans moment

primal minnow
#

But jjanu and meko not getting teams is just so bad

#

2 amazing off tanks

feral zodiac
tawdry hamlet
feral zodiac
#

Roar was so bad

plush light
plush light
tawdry hamlet
#

it clearly showed lmao

#

dude single handedly tanked his team to a record worst than the fucking titans

#

then the second he gone boom 4th place

#

well that and the second Washington Bought a decent dps

#

lmao

feral zodiac
primal minnow
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He was apparently coaching when justice got 3rd in Na

plush grail
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either fuze is staying on london

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or fuze is getting traded for someone

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because he's still on the roster

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while they're already teasing the new roster

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so much free agent talent

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but like idk why he even included libero and rascal because they're obviously getting signed

raw ermine
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fusion will pick up one of them

digital cloud
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Would think so, but I thought that about many players previously

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I mean, they haven’t picked up Diya again, or Fissure, or Hotba, or Tobi

vagrant jacinth
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Diya... :(

cedar oasis
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Benbest was a top 5 mt and he was not picked up

cloud latch
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top 5?

vagrant jacinth
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Benbest was great yeah. Back on young and beautiful now I think

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So much unsigned talent

feral zodiac
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Maybe on the verge of top 5

next mesa
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Fearless Smurf Sado Mano

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Benbest? Next?

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What about like

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Uh

cloud latch
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super?

tawdry hamlet
vagrant jacinth
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Fate maybe?

digital cloud
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hotba wasn't that bad

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he is good enough as a budget option

vagrant jacinth
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Super, fearless, Smurf, sado, mano? Then maybe fate and benbest?

cedar oasis
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I wouldn't say super as an all round mt

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He cant play orisa

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And doesnt smurf play monkey

tawdry hamlet
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I thought super played orisa and wasn't great at monkey?

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I don't entirely remember though

plush light
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Super plays all the main tanks other than monkey

cedar oasis
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I don't think he is good at orisa or monkey

mortal abyss
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Sado is probably the best all around MT

balmy wolf
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Wdyt about the NYXL Roster 2021

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?

feral zodiac
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Ik they haven't played yet

silk frost
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Super is a good orisa

feral zodiac
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But Mag will 100% be top 5

silk frost
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And a meh monki

feral zodiac
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And Muze might be top 5

silk frost
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I think Glads will be top 3

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First time I think their MT has been good since 2018

feral zodiac
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Oge the ever present disappointment

cobalt spoke
next mesa
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Super is pretty good at monkey

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He's just worse than smurf

cobalt spoke
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If you actually put him on a team and gave him a reason to play all the other main tanks he would easily be considered top 5

next mesa
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Yes

cobalt spoke