So I wonder how they arrived at spitfire
#esports-discussion
tawdry hamlet
feral zodiac
I mean
It is a very british symbol
Ask British people to name a plane
Most of them will say spitfire
primal minnow
In here in Britain as well spitfires are flown for very important events
cobalt spoke
Yea striker
Literally the whole time they played the tracer mirror striker was alot better than him, and in the hanzo mirror striker still did his job
He was the MVP of gramd finals
true hound
I think Viol2t shoulda got grand finals mvp tbh, both dps duos were matched
and profits Ashe and hanzo are better
cobalt spoke
Striker's hazo was better
true hound
๐ง
cobalt spoke
Striker deserves grand finals mvp
true hound
no Viol2t does โโ
cobalt spoke
Fuck viol2t
true hound
lmao
tawdry hamlet
I thought she'd be on a contenders gauntlet team but nobody signed her 
sullen berry
๐ car
cloud latch
๐จ๐ฆ ca
sullen berry
glacial basin
hey peeps. can someone tell me if overwatchtracker.com is legit? i just heard of it last week and im on one of their leaderboards but i don't know if it means anything
sullen berry
๐ด LIVE Lower Bracket Round 1: Gen. G (Toyou) vs Flag Gaming (they have Krystal)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hBqJ1D2UPqc&ab_channel=OverwatchContenders
is overwatchtracker legit
I barely use it, what leaderboard?
glacial basin
i got on this leaderboard but i don't know if it means anything https://overwatchtracker.com/leaderboards/pc/global #16 ReggieBammer#1802 any feedback is greatly appreciated!
glacial basin
can anyone recommend a GOOD OVERWATCH STAT WEBSITE?? thx
next mesa
They lost a bunch of their players to chasers
silk frost
Poor dood
sullen berry
delicious pulse bomb for toyou
karmic grotto
Son: mom, can we have Shockwave?
Mom: we have Shockwave at home.
Shockwave at home:
cedar oasis
Rat
karmic grotto
how tf
plush light
Lucio zen torb rat mercy sym
By rat do you mean junk or ball?
hazy stream
Where does although play?
hazy stream
delicious pulse bomb for toyou
What game
silk frost
Gen G vs Flag
trail perch
Gen G won???
next mesa
Sigh
Honestly I think with full strength
They would've lost to team cc anyway for some reason
I just have this feeling
trail perch
Well team cc has diya
worn falcon
Team doge was superior
cobalt spoke
EU contenders is on right now
Im watching na
Yeatle has already gotten top 3 in a tourney
next mesa
I am putting that shit background while playing minecraft bb
vagrant mason
[Serious] Discussion p
next mesa
oops
next mesa
SLIDE IN THE DMS LOL WTF
balmy wolf
did rascal go to vancouver?
next mesa
Nvm yall
tawdry hamlet
These comps are fucking dumb lmaoo
Mei sym and echo pharah
Ew sombra 
Bh literally throwing lowkey
tawdry hamlet
I hope odyssey go all the way in na gauntlet just so a 14 year old can be a winner lolll
I can't believe revival let themselves get beat by noble
Also if british hurricane win this then the paris vs london power ranking finna shift a little
Bruh
Ult advantage time
And they blew all the ults lmaooo
The back and forth in this seriessd
noble nexus
didn't mcgravy leak molf1g going to a team in his OT power rankings?
I assume that omega confirms BH to london
tawdry hamlet
He put molf in the list which essentially means he'll have a team which im assuming london
Bh about to win gauntlet who would've thought
noble nexus
can't wait for bh to come into owl and be midtier
noble nexus
owl is just too stacked this season
it's unfair to the titans if you ask me
they're just gonna get stomped out
tawdry hamlet
Danned matching naga echo without the pocket tho
Oooh we got a soldier hog comp lolll
noble nexus
a real mans team comp
tawdry hamlet
desperate comp
Ok this kind of hyping me for london season hurricane look so smooth even if their competition is meh
But I can't even say that because kaan and naga are owl players now lmao
Danned echo is wet affff
Idc about naga echo anymore danned wild
Ooooof they whipped out torb lmaoo
God damn the Rein Duplications are insane
silk frost
CAN WE HAVE BH VS CC NOW
tawdry hamlet
Bruh they running bastion genji double shield
Ok obey alliance
Literal desperation lmao
Watching this series im genuinely wondering how obey managed to beat hurricane at all
They are getting so rolled
next mesa
Cc is gonna fucking roll
tawdry hamlet
This series is really good
Mostly because everyone wants hurricane to win and they rolling lmao
That hurricane support line fucks
Officially gods of eu contenders man
Literally fucked for months and months
Man I want odyssey to win
trail perch
I think the best ball player in the world who can coach that low tier ball ameng should win
And by that I mean yeatle
tropic herald
this is a fun meta to watch
balmy wolf
Are there any notable Dva players I could watch? I'm also curious of any good professional matches ya'll would reccomend.
next mesa
Yes
tropic herald
Dva isnt played that much but Void, ChoiHyobin, Space, Bernar are all good opritons
noble nexus
void swagged out on that map
next mesa
Fr
But honestly fearless
Big carry
Void was like the silent guy who made it possible ๐
tawdry hamlet
Lukemino has been cracked recently
And Rhyno is only 14 and better than like 98 percent of the player base
Pretty fuckin epic
Oooh I totally forgot dark mode has yeatle loll
Rip odyssey
cloud latch
winnable!
cloud latch
POG
inland flare
Wtf mathel
tawdry hamlet
Doomfist pog
inland flare
He's playing like sinatraa during the originaldouble shield meta
true hound
malthel gg
inland flare
Yeah, their team work is pretty pog
tawdry hamlet
kind of epic the parody of hurricane team is in the grand final for na
inland flare
You saw that combo in first map
tawdry hamlet
missing T2 Drama Alert Nation lmao
would have been epic if they stuck with that name
for the meme
tawdry hamlet
tbh I bet they would have done worse if beast wasn't signed to toronto lmao
tawdry hamlet
missing the Fusion University days of Beast
tawdry hamlet
Beast fuze alarm and Bernar must have been a pretty nuts contenders team
inland flare
That's hot
tawdry hamlet
thinking about the time Dalton Roolf Xqc and Stand1 were on the same team
inland flare
Fusion is still going to get play timr
Imp
time"
His Rein is pretty good
Anything else is stand1
the life of a houston fan
cloud latch
sadge
cloud latch
how dare tree miss a pulse bomb
tawdry hamlet
the mercy was right in front of him but they ended up winning that fight so oh well
tropic herald
Tr33 is nasty with these sticks
true hound
GG
plush light
Have xqc ever played
Fuel????? Arc 6 ????
tawdry hamlet
I assume he was referring to Gladiators Legion but Yee fuel days lolll
Suspension go brrr
next mesa
im more looking forward to at vs bh
I dont think either of them is gonna put up a fight against team cc lol
silk frost
it's up to AT or BH
tawdry hamlet
Didn't someone beat cc
Like flag gaming or someone
Not in gauntlet but in like regular season I thought someone beat them
Ah yeah s2 flag won 4:3 I guess according to liquidpedia but kind of wild since flag got rekt in gauntlet
sullen berry
so that means it's either really taken this long
or my guess was good enough that they would announce something prior to xmas?
based on this then we're expecting it to be posted in January
karmic grotto
Spitfire becomes British Hurricane
hot heart
London hurricane
plush light
I just remembered arc 6
next mesa
Man idk
Feel like they're only got beat paris and titans the whole season lmao
Maybe synergy
Yes rolls shock
sullen berry
We on match point
3 Shanghai Dragons' Academy - Team CC
1 Seoul Dynasty Academy Team - Gen G
balmy wolf
i got skin 2 months later
tropic herald
Imagine if Chengdu got Innovation
sullen berry
well what's going to happen to Team CC
Diya will be hella depressed seeing his teammates promoted to chengdu
plush light
Imagine soon is in owl but harqest isn't
noble nexus
imagine there is anyone in owl when bumper isn't
plush light
imagine there is anyone in owl when bumper isn't
Yes
noble nexus
Yes
vagrant jacinth
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1340586096183418881?s=19
heavy breathing
vagrant jacinth
Diya will be hella depressed seeing his teammates promoted to chengdu
Was hoping so hard that he gets picked up
silk frost
P l e a s e
next mesa
I saw benbests interview
He's like idk why paris let soon and nico go they're so much better than naga and onigod
hot heart
Okay so
I think they are better
But naga and onigod have the potential to be better
And also they're younger
So alot more room to grow
gilded dagger
noble nexus
was already posted
but I reckon they'll announce roles at different times
to try to jebait
but we all know they're promoting the entire team
noble nexus
if he's ever going to be in owl again it'd have to be with the best team EU contenders has ever seen realistically and the entire rest of the team will almost 100% get promoted
I don't see why he wouldn't want to get promoted with them
hot heart
Hmm
London even with hurricane might get their shit kicked in
Especially if they move to NA
I mean sweet lord imagine being the full contenders team going up against shock, glads, dallas, mayhem, ATL or valiant
silk frost
they'll be better than Houston, Vancouver, and Paris at least
hot heart
Yeah
But they need a great coach to compete with the middle of the pack teams
Like
If they adjust the roster a bit
Get some mastermind planner and strategist
mortal abyss
Wait what time is the BH vs AT match happening
hot heart
They could beat a valiant or an ATL
silk frost
after the oddysey/Obey match
hot heart
Question: who is the best team in contenders as of right now
silk frost
CC
hot heart
Makes sense
silk frost
its between them, BH, and AT
mortal abyss
Well pavane is LFT and nouky said London are negotiating with a head coach right now
silk frost
it's been this way for a while
hot heart
Or
Just some old coach
That got promoted
And the liquipedia is getting updated to remove his name
Liquipedia is sometimes slow with this sort of stuff
Especially in the offseason
noble nexus
do you think london with all the hurricane players is better than last season's london?
both at their peaks
it's an easy question but I honestly thought last seasons london had a lot of potential
next mesa
ist eam cc
its*
I dont think at and bh are close
but yall know me im asian supremacy gang
silk frost
I'm just chinese supremacy
noble nexus
I'm Xepher supremacy
noble nexus
exactly
silk frost
#1 OT in OWL
noble nexus
#1 player in owl
hot heart
Choi and void quaking in their boots when the name xepher strikes their ears
noble nexus
absolute flex god
hot heart
#1 gamer
hot heart
His buyout was probably 1bil
raw ermine
I wonder who is gonna be the stand in for sparkr til he is of age. Unless his birthday is before owl starts. What if they get lethal?
hot heart
And as i ask that lethal fucking rolls
tropic herald
Obey clapping even off their server
hot heart
Pretty powerful gameplay right here, obey just showing sheer dominance.
tawdry hamlet
I think so
They really good tbh
The skill gap between them and tornado is still pretty big though
But they aren't bad
Oh wait is at vs bh rn?
Sickkk
Also cucumber sigma is fucking insane dude
Like top tier shit
I genuinely think at can win this
Something about watching the team that rolled a team that beat ex owl players and all the competition and a team with yeatle is like damn
Like the odyssey at series wasn't even close
mortal abyss
holy shit hurricane are clutch
tropic herald
Is this on NA or EU
tawdry hamlet
Idk what server but they don't seem impacted by ping like at all
Rein dva sym hypeee
Why are hurricane ditching the sigma ball echo tracer meta
It's just like superior to anything else rn
mortal abyss
lol
now they have control hurricane will be able to control this round a lot better
noble nexus
mech kill PogU
tawdry hamlet
Idk why hurricane won't just run their normal comp
Since they actually have a shot if they do that
mortal abyss
yeah
tawdry hamlet
Their normal comp usually shreds the opposition
Danned has an insane echo
But he on like cree rein comp
Like tf
mortal abyss
if they had won the first fight with that comp they probably would of won the round
tawdry hamlet
It is a show match so not a huge deal at least
noble nexus
wait so loser picks region?
tawdry hamlet
Damn surprised nobody on tornado was picked up
earnest leaf
4 of them are underage I think
tropic herald
cucumber likley stuck in tendies forever
tawdry hamlet
Like considering most of revival were all in league for a year or two and american tornado looks like a whole 20 levels above them in play it's just crazy how good the t2 talent is nowadays
tropic herald
while 4 of them are too young
the other 2 have bad history that no one is forgetting
so thats why none of them are owl
tawdry hamlet
Anyone follow like cohesion or frank
earnest leaf
cucumber was a bit of a moron right?
tropic herald
cucumber is coluge
earnest leaf
yea
tropic herald
sh2pe is frill
tawdry hamlet
Some of the contenders community looks toxic af on twitter
tropic herald
while cucumber has def changed and improved there is a group of people who will not like them anyways
tawdry hamlet
Like the noble dude dropped for making a banana joke to brazilians or the guy banned for vod sharing so they now just shit post on twitter lmao
earnest leaf
Probably a good a chunk of banter between players and teams
But it's also a bunch of teenagers with egos
tawdry hamlet
When cohesion sent Rhyno a grabify link and Rhyno being 14 actually clicked it and ddosed himself lmaoo
Just dumb shit
tropic herald
youtube chat is not worth reading
tawdry hamlet
tropic herald
both na and eu fans acting like this match means everything
tawdry hamlet
Totally glossed over the fact joobi played in contenders at one point and we can actually see if he's good or not
noble nexus
I've seen some weird shit come out of that youtube chat in the like 15 minutes since I started watching
tropic herald
idec who wins im just glad this is a fun match
tawdry hamlet
Big brain me
mortal abyss
Yeah as long as it's close (4-2 atleast) idm
noble nexus
noble nexus
that video is fucking insane
I love AU contendies
actual memesters of an esteemed quality
tawdry hamlet
I'd almost say it's more of a joke than sa contenders lmao
true hound
man if they pull of the full hold
tawdry hamlet
It's like plat overwatch with mechanical skill
noble nexus
lmfao
tawdry hamlet
I mean not really you just have to left click and mash q to get value when you mirror rein or sig
tawdry hamlet
Like I saw danned mirror sigma yesterday and he fucked
mortal abyss
dps copying any hero thats not dps hurts to watch
earnest leaf
I feel like BH should win this
Since they've been together longer and been stomping EU contenders
earnest leaf
I have it closed at all times lol
noble nexus
they're melting my brain
earnest leaf
99% of what I saw was random NA jokes
noble nexus
100% of the chat are NA jokes
they're so shit I'm getting offended and I'm not even american
digital cloud
don't feel bad
digital cloud
europe has to feel good about something
noble nexus
any laughers?
silk frost
I didn't read chat
true hound
it was just
either
"na quiet"
"eu quiet"
"na malding" "na boomed"
"eu malding" "eu boomed"
earnest leaf
speedily and hydron just killed 6 lmao
noble nexus
from what I've seen, which isn't very much because I'm tabbing in and out whilst playing minecraft, the entire match has been a dps diff
earnest leaf
I'm curious to see how the meta goes if we get minimal patches from now to OWL
My guess is staples would be sig/zen/tracer
With other picks being stuff like ball or bapt
tawdry hamlet
tbh I wouldn't really mind a meta like this
it is pretty fun to watch
although I feel like a lot of good players are screwed over by lack of ball
since it forces them to run double shield and usually just get beaten
earnest leaf
Spin to win
earnest leaf
noble nexus
if no patches go through from now to owl there will be a rein meta for super's last season
true hound
this match is crazy
noble nexus
which is what we all want
earnest leaf
just give us a rein dva/tracer widowORashe/baptOR ana lucio or zen
Then shock will just steamroll
earnest leaf
But in reality it's gonna be double shield or some shit
tropic herald
I wanna watch Monkey Zarya again
next mesa
SHAPE
You fucking madman
Shock will roll in every meta
Except maybe like a genji echo
Lmao
earnest leaf
Or a hackfist type meta
earnest leaf
next year of owl has to be good
earnest leaf
too many teams with actually decent rosters
next mesa
Too bad it could be so much better but since franchised league
noble nexus
sh2pe with the supertf shatter
mortal abyss
BH should try and force brawl as much as possible
They looked dominant in the mirror
noble nexus
this is honestly a good match considering that atleast one of the teams is gonna be on high ping each round
worn falcon
So tornado is the superior meteorologic team?
mortal abyss
Holy shit winning on NA servers is huge for BH
Yeah they swap the servers every map
noble nexus
that's actually huge
earnest leaf
They'll stay on NA for the next map
noble nexus
they started on NA servers first round so I think it would have ended with a map on NA had they kept taking 1 map and then losing a map
worn falcon
150 ping projectile
noble nexus
yeah that ^
mortal abyss
Damn this is close
noble nexus
London are fucking shaking rn
next mesa
fr
cobalt spoke
noble nexus
even though the match was meaningless that was a fucking insane match
worn falcon
So tornado is the superior meteorologic team?
Ohyes
digital cloud
murica
tawdry hamlet
Welp the fact that an na team without a single owl signed talent beat most of london's new roster regardless of server kind of doesn't give me super high hopes for london since team cc is easily better than at and bh
As long as london go na region they can get that second to last place tie bet
But in apac region spitfire is donezo
But nah idk how london will do, atm it's looking pretty bad tho
cobalt spoke
Or the American tornado is simply built different
tidal ridge
simplyyy
digital cloud
not on lan, so
much as I want to crow the superiority of na to the heavens, it not being on lan makes it pretty much invalid
tropic herald
although the flex is how more maps were on eu and at still wone
karmic grotto
XD
wanton birch
I wonder if American tornado got all picked up where they would rank in owl
Obviously some are still too young but hypothetically
plush grail
He do be repping the League tho
Also ILY poggy for mentioning how cheap these shirts are on third party sites rn
cedar oasis
Who would want to go to Boston honestly
earnest leaf
If you're a t2 player
cedar oasis
Its Boston tho
earnest leaf
Plus they are trying to actually improve
cedar oasis
Still Boston
earnest leaf
Also a nice 50k or more for playing on boston
earnest leaf
And a chance to prove yourself at the owl level, someone like myunbong could have gotten on better teams
limber pine
Who would want to go to Boston honestly
SoOn
solar bison
Boston is looking at Valiant level maybe this year
limber pine
Yes I get your point, but ultimately he had a choice of whether to join or not
and he did
cedar oasis
Yea I am saying that wanting to join Boston and having to join Boston are 2 different things
I dont think any t2 player dreams of playing on Boston
true hound
i dunno
on one hand its guaranteed 50k
on the other hand it may just be career suicide
plush grail
remember when brussen was on boston
''retired'' for like 2 months
and then joined a contenders team lmao
plush grail
like 2 months
silk frost
Boston will be different in 2021 I'm telling you
cloud latch
probably
true hound
no
cobalt spoke
Why
Whos gonna stop then
Souel cant
Playoffs profit only comes up on odd years
Not evens
Shanghai is just inferior from last year
Dallas is just paris with a slight upgrade
Glads are cursed
Philly is cursed
Did I miss anything?
next mesa
shanghai isn't inferior though
slow kraken
Philly has a new coaching team
next mesa
arguably they are more stacked
true hound
@cobalt spoke profit overwatch
next mesa
his ball and orisa are better
true hound
you forget apex s4
as well as s2 they got onlucky seeding with NYXL and shock i think
limber pine
LAG will be as stacked as they've every had
We'll have to see how slime and OGE fill in for Kris and Fate
cedar oasis
Shock is cock
cobalt spoke
Not drue
hot heart
Its either shock glads or Shanghai
Or even like
Hangzhou
That win OWL 2021
Depending on how hangzhou integrates their players ofc
And metas
cobalt spoke
Shanghai on the other hand is an actual threat i think
hot heart
Yeah
But i think glads could be as good
Kevster and birdring really impressed me
And the glads support line is incredible
Def on par with shanghais
At least shu and moth
Idk about skewed
He seemed good
Just not on the same level as LJG or anything
On the brig
earnest leaf
shock/shd/glads are gonna be the top 3 teams next year imo
hot heart
The best
Other than fdgod atm yeah
Pretty easily the best support line OWL has ever seen
Fdgod has the potential to be better than moth though
Really excited to see what he does next year
earnest leaf
Still scary how shock has viol2t and twilight
mortal abyss
Phillyโs support line is the best support line now that moth has gone to glads
Itโs not close
Thatโs not even my bias coming through
cedar oasis
Twilight and viol2t
mortal abyss
In every meta except double flex support, Alarm and Astro will be better
And thereโs many more flex support + main support metas then double flex support.
vivid dawn
I really donโt think Astro is better then fdgod
mortal abyss
I do
And even if heโs worse
Alarm is better then Viol2t on the majority of flex supports
earnest leaf
I forget moira is a hero sometimes
mortal abyss
Alarm is statistically better in every stat on bap apart from final blows/10, if that means anything to you
Same lol
I donโt think itโs fair to judge moiras side by side unless 1 is charging coal much faster then the other (like Viol2t vs crimzo in that one match)
earnest leaf
Reminds me when it was shock vs reign
mortal abyss
I do think@viol2t edges it out though
earnest leaf
and viol2t was building trance as fast as dogman built coal
mortal abyss
Yeah that was fun to watch
mortal abyss
Thatโs because twilight didnโt have much playtime and most of the time when he did play it was against worse teams.
And I never said Alarm was the better bap through purely stats lol
mortal abyss
Do you think they'll accept me for Head of Global marketing
I made a tweet that got 340 likes
๐
earnest leaf
super is the best geni via stats in owl
mortal abyss
super is the best geni via stats in owl
Again, context matters, super played what, like twice? Against the 2 worst teams in the league. And i'm not saying Alarm is better then Viol2t on Bap purely based off stats.
mortal abyss
They're too quiet
I'd expect a couple year before we get any game announcements.
hot heart
Yeah
hot heart
Yep
mortal abyss
The rumour was based on the fact that the โart of overwatch 2โ book was set to be available from 2021 November
The first art of overwatch book came out sometime in 2017 iirc
But idk
karmic grotto
A whole year without significant content
Soon we will have that Hanamura death match map
Competitive pro ffa?
balmy wolf
all the content we've been getting is re-runs and new skins
balmy wolf
gotta admit tho that zen toybox skin is fire
karmic grotto
So many great fanade skins that I would want
Fanmade
Would boosts overwatch money
balmy wolf
sugar plum mercy was fanmade art i believe
karmic grotto
And creates potential for more workers
So many great skins out there...
I would buy skins
Also
For esports teams, each owl team to have a custom made weapon/skin
Would expose the owl more to casual fan base
Heck, add Contenders
Element Mystic skin? Heck yeah. Runaway skin? Heck yeah. Shus money crew? Heck yeah
Karasuno? Yeah
So much potential
They lack vision
earnest leaf
A skin for the team that wins the whole of contenders gauntlet would be cool
true hound
you think they care about T2
cobalt spoke
Phillyโs support line is the best support line now that moth has gone to glads
Omg alarm and Funnyastro ๐
They simply arent better than viol2t , twilight and fdgod
Assuming fdgod will be better than he was last season
Just like literally every other player to join shock
balmy wolf
i think both support lines were both even expect in the double flex support meta
noble nexus
Shock are unrivaled on double fs
literal two best FS players
I also think fdgod with crusty coaching will swag out
cobalt spoke
Swag out harder than funnyastro thats for sure
trail perch
Your acting as if nineK doesnt know the crusty methood
Anything that crusty does nineK knows how to do
Considering he was an assistant coach to crusty
balmy wolf
doesnt mean much
noble nexus
ninek is a really good coach but the entire shock staff team are by far the best
trail perch
They lost junkbuck tho
cobalt spoke
Who cares
noble nexus
and gained casores
cobalt spoke
They didnt have junbuck in season 2
cobalt spoke
Ok and?
cobalt spoke
You forget that crusty is the common denominator not any assistamt coach
hot heart
Incredible top tier coaches
trail perch
Your putting way to much value into crusty and not enough into the assistants
noble nexus
Yeah they like mini crustys
trail perch
Crusty doesnt do everything
noble nexus
nah crusty does everything
trail perch
Moon and Rush are much closer to crusty in coaching talent
balmy wolf
the system that crusty instills is what makes him good
hot heart
Yes
trail perch
But crusty has a god tier roster to work with
balmy wolf
that makes it easier yes but look at s1 boston
hot heart
Still
trail perch
Who now coach other teams
trail perch
he is
hot heart
Others come close
hot heart
Different methods but in terms of raw skill they come close
trail perch
I think packing 10 deserves mad probs from making a really good team from not very good prospects
hot heart
Genuinely believe NineK could be the next crusty
trail perch
I think rush can this season
trail perch
Especially since he has his god squad
hot heart
But i especially believe in NineK
hot heart
Experience under crusty is a fucking headstart and a half
trail perch
Yeah, I mean look at how highly dpei rates crusty
trail perch
Not rly
hot heart
His own way of helping players
trail perch
He could just be mini crusty and be god
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Yeah
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No
trail perch
Yes
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Imo ans is just the best widow in OWL
trail perch
Diem lol
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Look
trail perch
Did very simmilar feats on widow
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Carpes widow is great
balmy wolf
happy best widow
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But it isnt diem or ans level
trail perch
He was my vote
balmy wolf
carpe wasnt the big reason they had success this year
trail perch
The level of dominance he showed this season, on widow, ashe, cree, reaper, etc.
Was imo more than fleta
hot heart
carpe wasnt the big reason they had success this year
Sado and alarm
???
Dude
Who showed up in the big games
balmy wolf
the support line and kdg is what made the team for middle of the pack to top tier
trail perch
SHD was insane at their sombra dive
Fleta wasnt really needed for those
They would have been fine without him
They had void fearless and lip
In fact the only time they struggled in the entire season was when fleta couldnt adjust well to genji
hot heart
So you're argument is that fleta, the flex god, wasn't needes in a specific meta
Yes
He didnt adjust on the summer showdown meta
trail perch
My argument is that shanghai would have been fine without him
trail perch
While Philly wouldnt be fine without carpe
Since MVP means which player is the most valued
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Because thats their only real widow/ashe playee
trail perch
Not the best player
trail perch
yes
primal minnow
Wasnt heesu a hit scan dps?
trail perch
Lip couldnt fill the carpe hole
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how does that make sense
trail perch
Heesu didnt hit the same way
balmy wolf
the only hole lip coulndt fill is widow
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Lip genuinely had a better mcree
trail perch
Thats just wrong
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Lip had a nasty widow at times though
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Yes
balmy wolf
carpe didnt have a sombra lmao
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But lip just had an even better mccree
trail perch
Sombra was never really NA meta lmao
trail perch
At the very end of the season
primal minnow
Carpe was on the bench most of the season was he not?
balmy wolf
i think people just overrate him too much as a player
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Carpe is great
trail perch
I wouldnt call a comp they ran for countdown cup and playoffs was their bread and butter
hot heart
Just really isnt like
trail perch
Carpe was on the bench most of the season was he not?
No
trail perch
He started almost all of it
primal minnow
Still doesnโt mean heโs as good?
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Was that the fan vote?
trail perch
His clutch rate was MVP worthy by itself
im pretty sure he was the runner up this year
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Clutch rate
balmy wolf
the fan vote was different than the actual mvp vote
hot heart
Isnt a good stat
Look
If you only pop off in OT situations
What does that mean for the rest of your play
If that makes sense
trail perch
Are you going to tell me Carpe only popped off in ot?
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Yeah
balmy wolf
he got dunked on
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Didn't word it well
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He has the clutch factor but not the same ceiling as an ANS or a fleta
balmy wolf
im talking about end of the season playoffs
trail perch
That was philly as a whole being under prepared and screwed over by the playoff meta, and he still managed to pop off on widow and keep some maps competative
balmy wolf
yea having 2 weeks and still looking like shit is not being under prepared
trail perch
Thats exactly was it means
Philly was not a bad team
Not by any metric
But they where unprepared for the playoff meta
primal minnow
Seemed like they were in playoffs
trail perch
Seems like they where 2nd place overall
balmy wolf
welp it gonna be real sad if they somehow do worse next season then before
season 3 was realistically their best shot to win it all
next mesa
Philly getting shit on scrim after scrim is just them being trash not unprepared
Stop making excuses
They were also the only team that had 2 off tanks
feral zodiac
The only team that looked out of place in the playoffs were philly
They got hard stomped in the final 4
primal minnow
Even by Seoul
next mesa
Seoul got the meta right really early on
cobalt spoke
Seoul isnt actually better than Philly I think
Soeul got really lucky I think
If it was an actual good meta u think philly would have won
next mesa
get a load of this wrong opinion
trail perch
I actually agree with yubo
The meta shift really didnt favor philly
And if it ended up being sombra sombra D.va dive seoul would have been fucked
trail perch
Just like how jehong never performed well in owl, so he's irrelevent
next mesa
yes