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silk frost
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this isn't with the fuckin roster of stand1, punk, im37, chex, myunbong

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those were the rumors

hot heart
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Stand 1 Punk Valentine Im37 Myungbong

silk frost
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faith

hot heart
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Thats actually really good

sullen berry
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I'm glad you had a Tier break

silk frost
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yeah that's a really good roster

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make Fusions a rein specialist and only put in Chex for emergencies

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just pretend chex isn't real

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he's the fat kid

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ignore him

hot heart
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Now its all down to lori to foster this roster into a good team

gloomy vector
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also i have 0 idea how Houston will do this year will all the contenders that i dont know how they do

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silk frost
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and I have a lot of faith in... ugh... HUK and mineral... to find a good coach

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mostly I trust Huk to find them, and Mineral to keep them

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I wanna give like

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so much credit to Mineral for convincing Huk to let him make a good team

proven plinth
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Where are the non-Asian people at in owl

hot heart
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Hm?

gloomy vector
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i think theyre is a nationality poll somewhere to show the % of whatever youre looking for

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also esports is taking a little more seriously in asian countries at least thats how it was

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taken*

sullen berry
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Oh I'm sorry

hot heart
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Happy chonk

sullen berry
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H A P P Y

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wide peepo outlaw

hot heart
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Oh yeahhh

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Lmao

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H a p p y

silk frost
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h a p p y

tidal ridge
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i wonder how OGE will do

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on florida

cobalt spoke
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He eill be built differently

tidal ridge
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built

forest raven
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Bill Dipperly NODDERS

hot heart
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Dill Bipperly

noble nexus
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Dill Dipperly

hot heart
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Dipp Billery

wanton birch
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If glads do end up signing GaeBullSsi is there tank like equal to Dallas ?

tidal ridge
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probably not

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rookies aren't guaranteed success

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but they definitely won't be that much worse

mortal abyss
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I don't see why glads would bid hundreds of thousands for gaebullsi when they already have space.

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but fusion probably have deeper pockets though.

inland flare
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Tbh glads look good with space

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Ide think he was the problem in s3

trail perch
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There was no way space was ever the problem

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Last season OGE was not very good

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Early Kevster was also not

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Shaz was good

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Big goose was Ok i guess

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Birdring was streaky

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The team had alot of problems

cobalt spoke
next mesa
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seoul coaching in s1 🤡

raw ermine
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lmaooo

mortal abyss
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ryujekong

silk frost
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Ew

next mesa
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hey let's put jehong on monke instead of zen and bench miro 🤡

cloud latch
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5head plays

tawdry hamlet
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Call me immature but if you can look at gaebullsi without seeing gayballs you are clearly not normal truetrue

next mesa
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I just see gaybullzi

tawdry hamlet
cobalt spoke
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I see gaybussy

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Its pretty obvious

tawdry hamlet
chilly obsidian
tawdry hamlet
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So do teams just do the best they can with what money they have or do they legit think about winning an entire championship with a given roster?

chilly obsidian
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idk

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what do u think

tawdry hamlet
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Because I can't help but think houston doesn't think that way when they pick up Crimzo or joobi since there's just better out there

chilly obsidian
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would imagine funding from ow

next mesa
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budget

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yo I bet aztac would be better than crimzo next season, lmao

tawdry hamlet
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Do shock shell out way way more money? Because I thought aside from big name players they paid normal

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Like I know there's a diff

earnest leaf
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It's been said they were nowhere near the highest spenders this off season

tawdry hamlet
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But is it big enough to mean no other given roster can stand a chance

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Idk I just think about some signings like why even bother you're just going to end up as fat losers again

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Like signing fire? I doubt there wasn't a cheaper better player bmoPOG

earnest leaf
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It's basically, try and create a roster better than shock, or a roster that won't be last place at this point lmao

tawdry hamlet
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That's true, there's really no mid tier underdog that could stand a chance against shock 😫

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Unless like maybe toronto or something

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But they too weak on support

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Methinks

earnest leaf
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Shock next year basically depends on how well fdgod fits into the team

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if he fits in really well and performs they'll be fine, since moth was a huge role

tawdry hamlet
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And if old heroes stay relevant too since a new hero meta could totally shift power rankings in favor of other teams regardless of shock mechanical skill

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Imagine a team like houston just master one new hero before other teams and have like an insane first stage record

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Would be epic

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Since all the teams will be learning

earnest leaf
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That's where ta1yo comes in

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Crusty will make him learn all new ow2 dps heroes

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I am predicting it

tawdry hamlet
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It's gonna be fun watching them learn as they go so even powerhouses can have some struggle

chilly obsidian
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yes

earnest leaf
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What I really want to see is a new MT to come out

chilly obsidian
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mt?

tawdry hamlet
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Yes pls

earnest leaf
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and see which players/teams can master them first

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MT= Main tank

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rein/ball/orisa/winston

chilly obsidian
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o yes

tawdry hamlet
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Monkey rein orisa is such an old lineup sadthonk

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I want new tank

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Tbh I forget ball is even main tank often

earnest leaf
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But the team i'm really looking at next year is glads

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I think they will be really good

tawdry hamlet
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I hope charge live up to hype FUCKYEAH

karmic grotto
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You know what

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Y'all don't know

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Hunters gonna take it

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they fell down twice in season 2 and 3

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they will get season 4 and win

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they will reverse sweep every team on purpose

tawdry hamlet
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I wish Megalul_a

karmic grotto
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to make the enemy fans feel despair

tawdry hamlet
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But their dps are not able to complete with architect or Eileen

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Their tank and support line look nice though

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Ga9a Megalul_a

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Keeping in mind spark have architect and seominsooo and lige FUCKYEAH

plush grail
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@tawdry hamlet shut up

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your favorite team is chengdu

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irrelevant opinion

cobalt spoke
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My opinion is right though

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Because im a shock fan

plush grail
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no because ur fs is a washed one trick

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viol2t is gonna SUCK in s4

tawdry hamlet
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My question is doe, why did paris suck so much ass if fdgod is a league top tier omega insane second best support ever

plush grail
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im willing to bet the french players all sucked except for fdgod

cloud latch
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prob cause they didn't have an omega insane mt

tawdry hamlet
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I am just confused why paris was so bad but all these pieces of paris that went elsewhere are projected to be insanely good

cobalt spoke
plush grail
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fdgod was a great lucio, imagine him with crusty coaching

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
cobalt spoke
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???

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Did you see him in grand finals?

true hound
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washed

cobalt spoke
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You have to be trolling

true hound
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trash

plush grail
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yeah remember when he fed

true hound
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remember when viol2t jumped off the map 5 times in the finals wtf

cobalt spoke
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He literally got a 4k and did a 1v2

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Same match

tawdry hamlet
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When he played 3rd dps on Busan catpog

true hound
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when fits threw away EMP that could have won them the map 😭

plush grail
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yeah remember when he just screamed racial slurs during the end game interview dude?

true hound
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:praydge:

cobalt spoke
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Stop

tawdry hamlet
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When fits was mid tier shit all season and shows up for bag FoulCretin

true hound
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my boy fits is poppin

plush grail
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poggy owl when

cobalt spoke
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Better team wins

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Shock aint cock

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Honestly

tawdry hamlet
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Seoul winning finals would have been the ultimate troll season

true hound
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ikr

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woulda been great

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lets be real fellas regular season doesnt matter because no matter what blizz will drop a fat patch before playoffs and gesture + profit will spank anyone whoever doubted them

tawdry hamlet
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The meta fucked shanghai sadthonk sadthonk sadthonk sadthonk

cobalt spoke
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No it didnt

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Shanghai was just bad

tawdry hamlet
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Let's make gestures best hero meta right before playoffs Megalul_a

true hound
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gesture hog was nasty

cobalt spoke
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So super can dominate him for a second time

plush grail
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super is washed

next mesa
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gesture dominated wym

cobalt spoke
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super was a better hog

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They had similar stats other than like one field

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In eliminations super had like 3x more

next mesa
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sure sure sure

tawdry hamlet
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If shanghai were able to run fearless void rather than be forced to run stand1 they could have won Megalul_a sadthonk I stand by this

cobalt spoke
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Smurf and choi exists

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Also if its dive meta with any kind of tracer shock just wins

plush grail
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ok what if, ameng but 6 ameng

tawdry hamlet
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By could have won I mean at least beat seoul lmao

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They looked so invincible all season and then lost to seoul sadthonk

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I believed

cobalt spoke
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Hog meta even benefitted Seoul

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Yet they still lost

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Because every meta benefits shock

tawdry hamlet
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Tbf it benefit shock as well lmao

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Yeah

next mesa
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yubo close ur mouth

cobalt spoke
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No

next mesa
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?ban

cobalt spoke
plush grail
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shock is so washed man

next mesa
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the only reason why shock won was because profit was playing with his feet

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good job u won 5v6

karmic grotto
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^

cobalt spoke
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Profit turned up in grand finals

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He looked better than normal

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And still lost

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Maybe shock is just built differently?

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
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Meta in finals was so much in shocks favor Megalul_a

cobalt spoke
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Every meta is in shocks favor

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Thats just called being a good team

tawdry hamlet
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Sniper tracer sigma hog is literally like all their best heroes lmao

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
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Even fusion out genjied them

cobalt spoke
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Shock wasnt even bad during genji meta

next mesa
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nero genji wouldn't be on par with like

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sparkle doe

plush grail
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still lost

cobalt spoke
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Paris was just better

tawdry hamlet
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Sparkle was just better silly, not paris

cobalt spoke
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True

tawdry hamlet
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Well Xzi maybe on tier with ans idk

plush grail
cloud latch
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lol

cobalt spoke
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Genji mirrors arent about genji vs genji

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Its not a rein mirror

tawdry hamlet
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Im putting all my money this year on piggy carry. I promise bro at least a positive win rate from houston ez

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Who cares if even teams like toronto look better OmegaLUL

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
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Show me it when vancouver knocks them out of playoffs first round and breaks every bracket

earnest leaf
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tbf shock vs paris came down to a single fight

plush grail
earnest leaf
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but paris was just better enough at the genji meta and won

tawdry hamlet
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Thinking about mayhem second place may melee and now a super similar roster looking mid

plush grail
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oge slime

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kinda pog

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viol2t smurf, not pog at all

tawdry hamlet
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Thinking about how a team full of veterans with chemistry fell to a contenders lineup Megalul_a

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Reign vs titans go brr

earnest leaf
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shredcock and cockwave are too powerful

tawdry hamlet
true hound
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can tbelieve they dropped ksaa

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braindead af

tawdry hamlet
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Jerry picked both supports and they still lost whole ass fights

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Hot take but dalton sombra wasn't even that bad

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But chex isn't hard to outperform lmao

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I swear sometimes it just looks like a diamond game watching chex

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But he's apparently been grinding ladder so he could improve but he hasn't in 2 years so doubt it

true hound
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idk anyone on boston looks kinda doodoo

tawdry hamlet
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Myun and Jerry looked ok

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The rest just FoulCretin

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Fusions needs to be out of the job please

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Just dump square head man already

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He's not good anymore

cobalt spoke
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They dont take dips

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If theres a better team they might win

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Paris was better

tawdry hamlet
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Also I think ksaa had issues with visa and travel and shit being from Saudi so he probably was let go for that

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Like because covid

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Since I think he was playing from overseas all season iirc

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Not entirely sure on that but iirc ksaa and pogwave both played 200 ping

inland flare
next mesa
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yeah who wouldn't lmao

inland flare
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I don't

stone totem
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Mcgravy deserves better

tawdry hamlet
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Sadge mcgravy and muma both feel like they are at their ceiling and dumping them for cheaper better apac talent is the move

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considering revival's performances

hot heart
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Mcgravy probably goes to boston or stays in contenders

tawdry hamlet
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boston, the one place where mcgravy is an upgrade lmao

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they have punk in off tank right?

inland flare
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Yeah, but it's not going to happen

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The coaches will most likely going to develop him.

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He did fairly well though this season.

keen aurora
inland flare
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I heard rumors about they are looking to have western DPS in Boston

keen aurora
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and dis

feral zodiac
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I'm very suprised that benbest isn't in owl next season

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But jjanu not making it in is also extremely suprising

worn falcon
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JJanu confirmed to retire

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mek0 well

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F

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same benworst

raw ermine
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mek0 retiring?

worn falcon
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nah, mek0 without team

karmic grotto
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Mecha base

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Mecho base

tawdry hamlet
raw ermine
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Horse joins owl b4 kaiser?

hazy stream
burnt pagoda
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meko did not retire

karmic grotto
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You're a joke

raw ermine
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??

hot heart
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??

tidal ridge
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??

hot heart
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Bro

tidal ridge
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anyways

hot heart
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Someone come get this mans

next mesa
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Hunters built diff

tidal ridge
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mayhem built mid

hidden vault
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Mek0 should have left nyxl

next mesa
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he did

hidden vault
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he would still probably leave year but his

tidal ridge
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jjanu retired sadge

hidden vault
tawdry hamlet
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Houston made some decent upgrades this off season tbh. Nothing insane other than happy but good upgrades

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Support look really weak tho imo

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And tanks are untested but piggy I think will do alright

true hound
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Houston busted out the many last szn for meko and the EM supports

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but got no new mt 😩

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hopefully they pick up a proper MT

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wait nvm jjangu is their mt

trail perch
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Watch him have a breakout season and be MVP

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like sinatraa s2

tawdry hamlet
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Yeah okay lmao

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Dallas last season was a letdown tbh

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Their roster was pretty fat

tidal ridge
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they are a retirement home

cloud latch
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decay escaped so pog

inland flare
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Crimzo literally flex 7 tryouts

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On twitter

next mesa
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Crimzo lmao

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God

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CRIMZO

inland flare
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??

next mesa
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Crimzo McCreeLUL

inland flare
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Crimzo is pretty much above average

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in flex support position

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In NA

next mesa
inland flare
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Yeah, you definitely never seen his VOD

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Well, he's pretty much underrated after all.

next mesa
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WidowLUL saying above average in flex support NA like it's something to be proud of WidowLUL

earnest leaf
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Who are the other NA flex supports

inland flare
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Lastro, Shaz, Kariv, Aimgod,

next mesa
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We now have 2 crimzo simps in this server it's actually hilarious

inland flare
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Alarm, Viol2t,

next mesa
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Kariv aimgod lastro are all korean

earnest leaf
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aimgod/shaz aren't on teams

next mesa
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So is alarm and viol2t

inland flare
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U talking about now

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Or this season

earnest leaf
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i guess roolf is the other NA flex support

next mesa
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Every good flex support is korean

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It's hilarious

inland flare
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Ok....

next mesa
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Yeah when your competition is roolf and dogman

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I guess 🙄

true hound
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😩

inland flare
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I mean NA Region

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Ppl who are in NA teams

worn falcon
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Pogman PogChimp

inland flare
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Tbh dogman wasn't that good

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At end he play very well

next mesa
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You can argue he was worse than crimzo

inland flare
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He's not consistent

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No crimzo is better despite how terrible fuel is

next mesa
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Crimzo just not better than shu viol2t twilight myunb0ng creative bdosin gangnamjin izayaki alarm molly highly fielder kariv lr1s aimgod rapel jjonak

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Kay bye

inland flare
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No body cares about your opinion

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You literally just hating on him

next mesa
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Who's insulting

earnest leaf
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I mean majority of FSs in the league are just better

next mesa
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I'm just spitting facts

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Keep hatin

inland flare
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ofc he can keep up

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U seen his stats??

earnest leaf
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didn't he flex moira stats or some shit lol

next mesa
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Not him it was the other crimzo simp

inland flare
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His bap and moira impress me a lot

earnest leaf
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no I mean crimzo

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he posted stats on twitter

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one sec

worn falcon
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There is not many FS

next mesa
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Yeah idk id take aimgod and highly over him anyday

worn falcon
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If only MS, but the only good was moth

inland flare
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.....

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I am Justice fan, and this not true

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Lol

worn falcon
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Ill take moth over astro tbg

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Moth had a nasty Lucio in s2

next mesa
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Moth is def over astro wym

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Moth is concensus #1

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As of right now

earnest leaf
worn falcon
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Fielder spamming heals because 200 ms

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And feeding sparkle

next mesa
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@earnest leaf damn by this stat sheet it looks like twilight is middle of the pack, oh well that's what the state says 😔

worn falcon
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Keeping the motherfucker alive

earnest leaf
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Moth one of the worst supports rip

next mesa
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Well it was ana bap brig but still

worn falcon
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Where is alarm?

inland flare
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Crimzo is just keeping his team alive lol

worn falcon
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Bottom or top?

inland flare
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Top ofc

worn falcon
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Viol2t is just insane, man

next mesa
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State are just so accurate

worn falcon
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Top heals, top damage

next mesa
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Twilight is really just the bottom tier of the league damn

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Gg

worn falcon
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Ark is like wtf man

tropic herald
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Super Void Nero Glister Moth Twilight

hot heart
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Super Void Kevster Rascal Moth Viol2t

tropic herald
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I think I’d rather have a really good OT so void is an obvious pick then just needed to find a good western mt

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Glister more flexy

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If I could have 3 dps I’d just add ANS but I can’t :(

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It’s hard for me to choose between Nero and Kevster though

hot heart
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Kevster i think

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Its like

tropic herald
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I’m very excited to watch Kevster on low ping this year

hot heart
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Yeah

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Kevster could be one of the best dps in OWL next year

tropic herald
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Well

hot heart
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Hmm

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Fissure Jjanu Haksal

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Uhh

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Dding

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Idk who for support

tropic herald
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Bazzi on hitscan

hot heart
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Who's retired that's a good support

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I dont think many have

tropic herald
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Swimmer was decent

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Ark?

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Kodak

worn falcon
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Shaz, Biggoose

silk frost
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Fissure Zunba Jehong Coma Haksal Sayaplayer Libero

tawdry hamlet
earnest leaf
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lmao

tawdry hamlet
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he isn't that bad, just not anything special imo

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just another mid tier player to add to the na pile of mid tiers

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random question, who do you guys think the worst player in the apac region of the league is or was

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other than hotba lmao

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since we all know he was dog

earnest leaf
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no idea since I didn't watch apac

tawdry hamlet
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probably someone on hunters like baconjack maybe, but he didn't seem super overtly bad

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maybe someone on old london actually

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since they were absolutely awful last season minus glister and highly

cloud latch
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yeah prob someone from london

earnest leaf
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speaking of glister

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imagine going from london

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to shock

sullen berry
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Imagine going from london

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to LA

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then Seoul

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to Vancouver

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then forced dismissal

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(also if his contract made him stay then him and Ksaa would have been a ripped tank line)

worn falcon
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Imagine being Pumper

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Sadge

hot heart
hot heart
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I had a stroke and a heart attack simulator seeing this

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*simultaneously

hidden vault
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how many times do they wanna ruin rascal's career?

tidal ridge
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damn

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jebaited

hot heart
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Too ez

balmy wolf
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Everyone would have a stroke when a superstar joins a fully western roster.

karmic grotto
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xD

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that moira brainlet xD

sullen berry
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Sigh

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Another vancover tease

sullen berry
burnt pagoda
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is it fake?

tidal ridge
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Ye

wanton birch
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The only reason crimzo has such high stats is they fact he has played the most Moria in na.

plush grail
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Crimzo overrated

mortal abyss
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i dont think he's overrated or underrated, he's decent but he's playing in one of the most stacked roles in the league, he's probably the 2nd best western flex support behind boombox

raw ermine
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I knew that could never be real

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Rascal to titans? They wouldn't pay that much

next mesa
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More like no koreans would ever want to join that dogshit org ever again

raw ermine
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Yeah I can't tell if the more restricting factor is the cost or the lack of willingness to go there

true hound
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wait what the ufck

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nvm fake acc

mortal abyss
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How does Shock vs the world work?

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Do ex players get to play with shock (moth, rascal etc...)

plush light
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Plz let architect play with them again

next mesa
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No

mortal abyss
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are you responding to bumper or me?

next mesa
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Probably like

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Shock vs an all stars team

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Or shock vs casters

mortal abyss
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oh lol

next mesa
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Some shit like that

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Both

mortal abyss
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what would be your dream team against shock

thin relic
mortal abyss
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(i.e: you can't use any shock players)

next mesa
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Depends on the meta

true hound
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Alarm Astro profit decay fury fearless

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ez dub

visual cloud
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roadhog completelu destroyed fusions last championship

tidal ridge
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fearless void profit lip alarm moth

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quick dub

next mesa
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Fearless void profit diem izayaki ljg

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Lmao

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Fits if sombra meta

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No lip

mortal abyss
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izayaki over alarm?

trail perch
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Hot take, I would actually take profit fleta

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because they could both play hitscan at an incredibly high level

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As well as flex onto almost any comp necessary

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Because lets say you want to run tracer genji dive

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I would rather fleta tracer to diems

next mesa
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Not a hot take

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Just what are the chances of a tracer genji meta

trail perch
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Considering how much ashe tracer we had this year, I think a full on dive meta is coming soon

cobalt spoke
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Literally zero

next mesa
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Yeah I'd take diem, comfortable that he can match ans

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If echo meta doe fleta

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Instead of profit

cobalt spoke
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Next season is going to be so good

#

Alot of things we didnt get too see last year

#

Like smurf vs fearless on actual main tanks

#

And things like that

plush grail
#

and that either dallas or shock becomes champs

#

like florida might be above average

#

and shanghai i have no idea

#

either florida level or a little below dallas?

fair slate
#

i mean, fearless moved to fuel, right

cobalt spoke
#

Dallas is just paris

#

So

plush grail
#

dallas is paris minus some of the weak spots imo

noble nexus
#

Yeah I’m not sure Dallas will match shock

#

I think glass could

#

If they get some better dps

#

Glads*

fair slate
#

i mean from my virtually zero knowledge, since Fuel's put Fearless from Shanghai in the roster, and Shock lost Rascal and Moth, it could get hectic

cobalt spoke
#

Shock also gained glister, nero and fdgod

plush grail
#

what if fuel and shock just collapse and paris just fucks

fair slate
#

god am i just new to esports lmao

plush grail
cobalt spoke
#

Chances are Nero isnt as good as rascal but does he really even need to be? Shock has 5 dps

noble nexus
#

What are you worried about them?

plush grail
#

idk if they're gonna be any good

#

i never really watched nero or glister that closely

cobalt spoke
#

Nero is atleast a good player

#

Minimum good

#

We know that

#

He's no chex or anything of the sort

next mesa
#

Nah

trail perch
#

Just putting this out there

next mesa
#

Shock will be better

#

Than dallas

#

For sure

trail perch
#

Shock had a net loss this off season

cobalt spoke
#

No they didnt

next mesa
#

Not at all

#

Glister and nero for rascal?

trail perch
#

They picked up pieces that are less than what they had before

next mesa
#

That's not a lost

trail perch
#

Because you wouldnt play both

plush grail
#

how did shock not lose??? they lost moth and rascal?

trail perch
#

And moth for FDgod

#

Like what

plush grail
#

they lost the best ms and best flex dps

cobalt spoke
#

Moth for fdgod isnt really even a loss

trail perch
#

Ans is still going to get the starting spot

next mesa
cobalt spoke
#

Shock needs a good brig player

next mesa
trail perch
#

twilight

#

is a good brig

next mesa
#

But with crusty coaching?

cobalt spoke
#

Fdgod is the #2 brig in the league

next mesa
#

Nothing is a net loss

cobalt spoke
#

Imo

#

So

next mesa
#

Just as of right now

trail perch
#

Ljg, alarm

next mesa
#

Fdgod is for sure

trail perch
#

tobi

next mesa
#

Worst than moth

#

But he will be just as good

#

With the crust

#

So it's all good dawg

cobalt spoke
#

Trust the crust

trail perch
#

This season, the shock is worse than last season

next mesa
#

Nah

#

Ans have no pressure anymore

cobalt spoke
#

If anything they got better

next mesa
#

Ta1yo baked

plush grail
#

a team should just pick up runaway and jhong, they look solid

next mesa
#

Did they resifn twilight yet

cobalt spoke
#

Yes

next mesa
#

Really

#

I didn't see announcement

#

Because honestly an ana genji meta might just be their only weakness

trail perch
#

And with the strength of the EM synergy, + rush

next mesa
#

Shock already has energy

trail perch
#

I think Dallas can def beat them

next mesa
#

Synergy

trail perch
#

But not as much,

next mesa
#

They're coming up with 2 solid seasons together

#

Way more than dallas lmao

cobalt spoke
#

Twilight striker and ans and ta1yo had their options taken

trail perch
#

and they through away 2 very synergized pieces, who where there for 2-3 seasons

next mesa
#

Choi smurf viol2t striker super

trail perch
#

They lost 1 og and 1 s2

next mesa
#

So?

trail perch
#

striker and smurf didnt really play s2

next mesa
#

But they did

cobalt spoke
#

They were still on the team

trail perch
#

and most of dallas have played together since 2017

cobalt spoke
#

Scrimming and doing whatever

next mesa
#

Not since 2017

trail perch
#

yeah

next mesa
#

Sparkle and xzi

#

Fielder joined only last year

trail perch
#

Fearless, Rapel, Jecse

next mesa
#

Fearless rapel and jecse

#

All had massive breaks in between on different teams

trail perch
#

But they where together

#

Under Rush

#

All of them in 2018

next mesa
#

That synergy would be worse than shock's already existing synergy

trail perch
#

We can wait and see

plush grail
#

shock is gonna be good but not nearly as dominate in s4 for sure

trail perch
#

But rush really knows these players

plush grail
#

other teams picked up so many good pieces

next mesa
#

Dallas could only stand up to shock under the right meta

plush grail
cobalt spoke
#

Assuming nero is a bad genji and fdgod is a bad brig

#

Ohh wait

#

They arent

noble nexus
#

Remember when they ran tracer against genji at genji’s strongest point and it came down to a single fight in the semis

cobalt spoke
#

Yep

#

If genji is never that ok again shock just wins

#

Op*

trail perch
#

But nero not better than sparkle

plush grail
#

nero washed

cobalt spoke
#

Not drue

#

Nero not washed

#

This is assuming blizzard makes genji meta again

#

And like really broken

trail perch
#

I think that the shock made some bad roster decidions

cobalt spoke
#

They didnt

trail perch
#

In a 2-2-2 having 5dps

#

2 tanks

#

and 3 supports

cobalt spoke
#

3 tanks

trail perch
#

Oh yeah super

#

forgot about him

cobalt spoke
#

Thats normal

trail perch
#

but 3-5-3 isnt that smart

#

Especially becase the 5 mostly share very similar hero pools

noble nexus
#

I mean you can dread it but realistically shock are the top team coming into the season

trail perch
#

Besides nero they have 4 hitscan players

noble nexus
#

What positions does the Paris roster have

#

Dallas*

#

Same thing really

cobalt spoke
trail perch
#

You can only play 2 at the max

#

And Striker and Ans are just better than glister and Ta1yo

plush grail
#

ans washed

trail perch
#

no lol

cobalt spoke
#

Literally all of those hitscan players play flex dps sometimes

noble nexus
#

Ans is bad

#

Terrible

trail perch
#

fsfs

cobalt spoke
#

Except glister

#

But he plays zarya

#

So

noble nexus
#

Glister flexes

#

He has a doom and echo I think

trail perch
#

But the thing is there whey would they play flex when nero is there

cobalt spoke
#

Because they want too

trail perch
#

Its not efficant use of money

cobalt spoke
#

So?

next mesa
#

It's called there's new heroes? Lmao

noble nexus
#

Because they replaced Rascal flexibility with glister nero and Taiyo flexibility

next mesa
#

And shock can? Suck on their dick lmao

trail perch
#

Most of the new heros are support and tank

#

Blizzard confirmed it

noble nexus
#

Shock will stomp out most teams next season

cobalt spoke
#

Players are going to go to shock if they get asked

#

Players just want to be on shock

trail perch
#

I think not having a backup off tank will def start to hurt them, especially if more new characters come out

noble nexus
#

Shock weren’t even the highest bidders on the players they signed

#

Hey what backup off tank are Dallas using if the shock are going into a rivalry with them

trail perch
#

dallas doesnt have 5 dps

cobalt spoke
#

Off tanks are literally just dps with extra steps

trail perch
#

They have a much smaller roster

#

2-3-3

noble nexus
#

They also don’t have a solidified tracer

cobalt spoke
#

Just tell a dps player to play off tank if its mechanical

trail perch
#

the shock could only sign one player mid season

cobalt spoke
#

If we are going to get a new zarya or roadhog a dps player can play it

trail perch
#

because they already have 11

cobalt spoke
#

So?

#

Their roster is stacked

plush grail
#

nero and glister? stacked? doubt

cobalt spoke
#

Yes

trail perch
#

Again, if FDgod doesnt work out, or nero doesnt work out, or choi needs a break

#

all these people dont have backups

cobalt spoke
#

Nero has backups

#

He has 4 other dps players that flex to proj sometimes

noble nexus
#

Almost every roster that’s had a pickup has those issues

cobalt spoke
#

Thats more than enough

trail perch
#

Look at spark

#

They are a perfect example of how to set up a roster

#

They have 2 of every role

#

If they have any roster issues, they can just replace

#

Guxue with takoyaki

plush grail
#

spark is gonna be good I hope

trail perch
#

IDK with Mika

plush grail
#

they have fuckin guxue, godsb architect

trail perch
#

Spark will be

plush grail
#

only problem could be the communication

#

but they have like 5 months to fix that

#

also i totally forgot they had seominsoo

#

the flex god

next mesa
#

They keep sending coldest

#

The best flex support

#

Benching*

#

Stop benching coldest

#

Trade him ffs

#

He's just rotting on the bench

plush grail
#

spark in theory should fuck

#

super flexible roster

#

alot of talent

#

they got that amazing team house so the players probably get treated well

next mesa
fierce path
#

!!patch

#

patch!!

trail perch
#

!patch

#

!!patch

young fractalBOT
#

The regular patch time is 18:00 UTC/GMT.
This is 10am PT, 2pm ET, 7pm CET, 5am AEDT.
Countdown: 49 minutes, 12 seconds ✨

vagrant jacinth
#

I hope spark do fuck

#

I like em a lot, I wanna see them perform outta their minds

silk frost
#

Same

#

But I also put them top 4 in my power rankings and I dont want to be wrong

#

Honestly if they keep running Bernar they won't get that high

#

Lige is too sexy

next mesa
#

Lige

#

Dude

#

They should try the full chinese roster

#

lowkey looks better

#

lowkey lowkey

silk frost
#

Their flex DPS are korean

next mesa
#

ok but they still got swept by dragons though so it's like

silk frost
#

They have 5 chinese players

next mesa
silk frost
#

Guxue Lige tankline makes me coom

next mesa
#

we'll have to see though

silk frost
#

Yeah

tawdry hamlet
#

I want an all out decay showcase, because he is lowkey good at everything but I haven't seen him pop off on anyone besides like zarya since dallas was kind of bad last year

next mesa
#

bruh

tawdry hamlet
#

I just want to know how his widow and other shit stacks up to top players

next mesa
#

that widow performance on rialto

#

BRUH

#

What if outlaws wanted to cross the bridge

#

but decay just said "no"

tawdry hamlet
#

I think the league needs more heesu widow OmegaLul

#

especially if we can play said heesu widow in playoffs over carpe

#

good plan

#

like shit they might as well have put eqo on widow and said aight good plan

#

philly go brr

#

I know meta was wack and shit but not playing carpe sadgery2

noble nexus
#

can't put eqo on their widow in the gf because they never even brought him to korea

tawdry hamlet
#

should have brought chipsa smh

#

still can't believe chipsa got a contract in the first place

#

especially because they didn't find a tank first

#

before signing him

#

philly has made some pretty bruh decisions ngl

keen aurora
silk frost
#

Hm

#

Does this mean... Anything?

noble nexus
#

probably not

next mesa
#

I didn't know he existed, but ok

noble nexus
#

they just replace him

#

nothing changes really

silk frost
#

cough sign altering as a coach cough

raw ermine
#

just saw Barroi gone RIP

silk frost
#

Was he good at all?

earnest leaf
#

Apparently he did loads of work for trials and players and got dropped the second it was done

raw ermine
#

I always liked him

#

didn't know that about him

#

sad indeed

silk frost
#

Unfortunate

#

Bring him to shock I dare yoy

#

You

willow tartan
#

Wait the fusion are gonna play in apac?

raw ermine
#

yep

willow tartan
#

Why?

raw ermine
#

got announced a while ago

#

cause they don't have as bad of a covid situation

willow tartan
#

Oh, so it's workplace health concern?

earnest leaf
#

Yea

willow tartan
#

Maybe all of the OWL teams should move to Korea then.

next mesa
#

you know

#

because south korea is just so much more competent WidowLUL

willow tartan
#

Because they have a stronger central government able to take faster action.

earnest leaf
#

for some teams it would be less than favorable

mortal abyss
earnest leaf
#

aka moving an entirely western roster to a foreign country

willow tartan
#

Isn't Fusion a western roster?

mortal abyss
#

Although OWL in China is huge

mortal abyss
#

its mixed

earnest leaf
#

@next mesa but we do have the vaccine starting, so hopefully by the end of owl things are much better

next mesa
#

yeah for sure

willow tartan
#

A lot of things in China are huge.

earnest leaf
#

Poko/astro/eqo are non korean on philly, but living with korean teammates should help a lot

willow tartan
#

Chinese are very passionate viewers.

silk frost
#

Hopefully by april

#

The original predicted date was around march-may

true hound
#

i think i saw on news last night that by end of february, theyll have 100 million vaccines pushed out (like shipped to hospitals and shit so people can get it)

#

but dont quote me on that

earnest leaf
#

It will go in the order of most vulnerable, to least vulnerable

true hound
#

ye

earnest leaf
#

So owl players unless they have underlying health conditions would be some of the last to get it

true hound
#

elders & doctors and hospital workers get it first, then i assume young children next, and then the rest of us

mortal abyss
silk frost
#

Young kids and the immunocomprimised

willow tartan
#

The coronavirus was practically wiped out in most areas of China all the way back in March.

silk frost
#

Then fat people are vulnerable so they might actually get it next lol

willow tartan
#

So a lot of gatherings have happened since.

next mesa
#

we dont actually have data on that

#

but

earnest leaf
#

yea china did aggressive shutdowns, but who knows

next mesa
#

logically china government would be very efficient

#

dont want lockdown? jail

willow tartan
#

I think they made the right decision, when dealing with a pandemic you want to have hard lockdowns.

true hound
#

imagine if amurica did that

#

lul

silk frost
#

If only

true hound
#

some ppl in the south be thinking 5g caused it

mortal abyss
#

'but mah freedom'

true hound
#

me rights

#

!

silk frost
#

Fuck ya chicken strips

willow tartan
#

I would say it's a cultural difference.

silk frost
#

Put on a mask karen

true hound
#

america being fucking stupid diff

earnest leaf
#

What china did would never work in the USA

willow tartan
#

Chinese and East Asians in general tend to be more communal.

mortal abyss
silk frost
#

How are Americans so... Stupid

earnest leaf
#

It's more so the minority is incredibly loud here

tawdry hamlet
#

thinking about the fact that half the apac teams would immediately be upper mid tier if they just went to na region

#

kind of wild

silk frost
#

and then people listen to the minority

next mesa
#

yeah

earnest leaf
#

Majority of people follow the guidelines and lockdowns, it's that there are just enough morons to make things go poorly

tawdry hamlet
#

just wild the skill gap between regions in general

next mesa
#

its more like, the bottom tier of na is just so shit tho

tawdry hamlet
#

like even the shitty apac teams are better than mid na teams

next mesa
#

the top is still keeping up

tawdry hamlet
#

yeah that too

silk frost
#

Vancouver is so much worse than everyone

earnest leaf
#

Well for this year i'm not too sure for apac teams competing in NA

#

since a chunk of NA teams improved tons

willow tartan
#

I mean we have the London Spitfire in APAC.

silk frost
#

Like vancouver is probably going winless

mortal abyss
tawdry hamlet
#

chengdu and london and ny being exceptions, but even ny last year wasn't super bad

willow tartan
#

I wonder how the Fusion are gonna fare against the APAC teams.

mortal abyss
earnest leaf
#

seoul was also wildly inconsistent in apac

next mesa
#

the spitfire could have probably been at least reign level in my opinion im not gonna lie

tawdry hamlet
#

I hope they do

silk frost
#

I mean yeah London was okay

mortal abyss
#

Fusion will probably be consistent 2nd in APAC, just like always >_<

earnest leaf
#

Apac was basically SHD rolling everyone, then gz looking solid, and nyxl being decent

tawdry hamlet
#

spitfire dropped an actually okay roster tbh, like it had some pieces worth keeping like bernar highly and glister

silk frost
#

Toronto level at least

tawdry hamlet
#

the rest just ew

earnest leaf
#

then the rest of the teams being bad

silk frost
#

B A B E L

next mesa
#

its seoul beating dragons one week and getting swept by chengdu the next

#

pog

earnest leaf
#

pretty much

willow tartan
#

Seoul has been pretty inconsistent this year.

silk frost
#

2021 Chengdu should be good but they won't be thanks Rui

willow tartan
#

I wonder what's fucking them up.

mortal abyss
#

thats putting it mildly

tawdry hamlet
#

crazy to think second place all star ana player can't even find a team this season and we have people like fire in na who have a job 😦

#

I crine

willow tartan
#

Do the players not have the right mentality?

silk frost
#

Well fire is okay

willow tartan
#

Maybe they have communication issues?

silk frost
#

I expect fire to be the best player on Vancouver even if that isnt saying much

tawdry hamlet
#

2021 chengdu roster wise looks good, but charge and spark just look even better

#

spark in general looks so stacked

mortal abyss
tawdry hamlet
#

I am hype to watch seominsoo play again

#

fuck it seominsooo

silk frost
#

YOU WHAT

tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
#

From what I've heard, SBB is a very good leader.

silk frost
#

YEAH YOU EDIT THAT FUCKING MESSAGE

tawdry hamlet
#

heh

true hound
#

fuck it

cedar oasis
#

SBB is best leader

true hound
#

seominsoo

tawdry hamlet
mortal abyss
willow tartan
#

I haven't really put much thought in it.

noble nexus
#

sbb is nice and all

willow tartan
#

What makes a good IGL in Overwatch?

silk frost
#

I mean I blame Gesture and Changgoon

noble nexus
#

but are they gonna fucking sign toyou already

willow tartan
#

what are the traits you want

mortal abyss
cedar oasis
#

Holding hands

willow tartan
#

I'm sure the traits for IGLs carry over from different games right?

silk frost
#

Stay cool, hype your team up, keep mentals high

next mesa
#

sbb for sure goated leader wise

mortal abyss
#

Shotcalling, keeping your teammates mental up, stuff like that

tawdry hamlet
#

is shredlock really good or is that like a joke people make

#

I could never tell if it was serious or not lmao

silk frost
#

He's fine enough

mortal abyss
#

hes alr, nothing special

next mesa
#

shredlock is shit

silk frost
#

He'd start on Houston

#

I'll say that

cedar oasis
#

Cocklock

willow tartan
#

Who do you guys want to see do good next year?

tawdry hamlet
#

houston

#

now that they actually upgraded

silk frost
#

Boston

tawdry hamlet
#

and then downgraded support line

willow tartan
#

Anyone I should keep an eye on?

noble nexus
#

Glads

mortal abyss
# mortal abyss hes alr, nothing special

but you have the arguement of: main tank will always look bad if his supports are bad, and in the case of vancouver they had the worst support line in the league

noble nexus
#

Gladiator supremacy

mortal abyss
#

Glads, Dallas, Washington

cedar oasis
#

Nyxl

tawdry hamlet
#

finally get a better tank, and a more consistent hitscan, ah yes lets drop our good support line

willow tartan
#

Yeah, dallas definitely.

tawdry hamlet
#

houston moment

silk frost
#

Expect glads to be top 3 overall tbh

willow tartan
#

The Fuel have like a superstar team

mortal abyss
#

i think Glads #4

silk frost
#

But keep your eye on Boston, they'll surprise you

earnest leaf
#

Glads top 2 in NA is my guess

willow tartan
#

Who did Boston sign?

mortal abyss
#

I think fuels supports weigh them down a lot tbh

tawdry hamlet
#

they finally replace muma and they get happy, but then they pick up crimzo and joobi 🤮

cedar oasis
#

Ha no

tawdry hamlet
#

just wish they had more moneys

#

so they could have them all

mortal abyss
#

fusion should just buy the league smh my head

tawdry hamlet
#

and that houston supports didn't want to go play with their old teammates too

willow tartan
#

Which OWL team is the richest?

tawdry hamlet
#

so we could have better houston team

mortal abyss
#

fusion

#

easily

silk frost
#

Boston have signed IM37 and Stand1, expected to get Faith and Valentine

mortal abyss
#

they're owned by comcast

next mesa
#

if boston doesnt get faith and valentine they are pretty fucked

silk frost
#

also crimzo is good shush

willow tartan
#

Yeah, but it's not like the entire comcast revenue is pumped into the fusion

#

Which team has the largest budget?

tawdry hamlet
#

idk some of the chinese teams lookin pretty money

cedar oasis
#

Dallas

silk frost
#

Probably Dallas yeah

willow tartan
#

Oh that is definitely true.

mortal abyss
#

Shock?

tawdry hamlet
#

signing full 12 man rosters despite being bottom tier their whole tenure in the league

#

chengdu go brr

noble nexus
#

Shock didn't spend that much

tawdry hamlet
#

spark really spent this year

mortal abyss
#

oh yeah the chinese teams can probably put a lot of money into OWL

tawdry hamlet
#

bilibili got moneys

willow tartan
#

The spark are loaded with cash.

silk frost
#

I'm pretty sure Chengdu just throw a 10 dollar bill at some players and get them

trail perch
#

!!patch

young fractalBOT
#

The regular patch time is 19:00 UTC/GMT.
This is 10am PT, 2pm ET, 7pm CET, 5am AEDT.
Countdown: 4 minutes, 18 seconds ago

next mesa
#

spark got some

tawdry hamlet
#

wait is it charge or spark who are owned by bilibili

next mesa
#

big stacks

#

spark

tawdry hamlet
#

yee

#

fat stacks

next mesa
#

bilibili is jacked in money

#

like

#

the china yuotube

#

owl streams have like

#

1 million people

mortal abyss
#

the number shown on the stream isnt viewership

willow tartan
#

The chinese teams are all loaded with cash.

mortal abyss
#

didn't whoever buy guangzhou also buy an LPL team or smth

next mesa