esports-discussion

[plush grail]

sbb is gonna bench profit

[stuck radish]

does profit have a 100% OWL winrate? didnt think so

[next mesa]

Chipsa took a big shit on shockwave

[true hound]

yep cockwave

[noble nexus]

yeah and he never fell off the map in that series

[true hound]

my man forgot to hit space during his rocket punch

happens to the best of us

😔

[trail perch]

Ok this is just not really tue

true

during goats, viol2t was the weakest link on the shock

[stuck radish]

profit should join sf shock

[earnest leaf]

forgetting viol2t duels owl snipers for the hell of it smh

[primal minnow]

Voil2t was still an amazing FS during season 2 though

[earnest leaf]

and wins

[trail perch]

Yeah he was good, but not the best

I would rank jjonak and Twilight higher in s2

[noble nexus]

being the weakest link on the best team of that season is a bad thing

[earnest leaf]

Was he the weakest link?

[trail perch]

yeah

[earnest leaf]

I don't remember shock's goats roster really having one

[noble nexus]

yeah that's also not true

[next mesa]

They had no weak link

You could argue twilight was better

[trail perch]

He was over aggressive at times

[noble nexus]

shock's best look was goats

[next mesa]

But you could also not

[trail perch]

and fed a little

[noble nexus]

wasn't that more or less shock's thing

they fed, fell back and then fed harder if I remember

and it worked

[trail perch]

But viol2t legit fed at times on zen

on moira he was just ok

[earnest leaf]

I mean same could be said for any player on any hero

People feed

[noble nexus]

yeah

like crimzo

[trail perch]

yeah, but on team that was almost perfect, its more apparent

Bitch stfu

[noble nexus]

lole

[trail perch]

we arent talking about him

[noble nexus]

I am

[trail perch]

In s3 i would say that viol2t was 1st or secong

in s2 i would say he was 3rd

[next mesa]

Second

Or first

[noble nexus]

if he was 2nd this season who was 1st?

[next mesa]

You can say twilight was better last season

[trail perch]

Its between him and twilight

[next mesa]

Viol2t was just the best this season and it's not even close lmao

[trail perch]

because twilight has the better ana and moira

[noble nexus]

it was between him and twilight last season but this season it wasn't close

[trail perch]

I wouldnt say it wasnt close

becuase there are 4 fs characters

right?

Moira Bap Zen Ana

[noble nexus]

yeah

[trail perch]

Twilight is far better on ana

And just better on moira

Viol2t is far better on bap

and just better on zen'

[noble nexus]

see I just don't agree with that

[trail perch]

And twilight can play a top brig

How?

[noble nexus]

because viol2t has the better moira

[trail perch]

ok thats not rly true

[noble nexus]

and for ana it's not even that big of a gap

[trail perch]

Yes it is

Twilight ana and jjonak ana both better than Viol2t

and alarm

[noble nexus]

you see I get that

but you're saying that as if viol2t is fucking god awful at ana and he's a dogshit player

[trail perch]

I say that characters like moira and zen are more even

[trail perch]

no not even close

n2 is not dogshit

and since its more of a tie on moira and zen, since twilight can play a top brig, he is better

[noble nexus]

his ana is still good and his moira is better than if not even with twilights

did we not just say that brig isn't a fs

[plush grail]

he's speaking facts???

[next mesa]

Lmao

[noble nexus]

you said there are 4 FS and then fell back on brig?

[next mesa]

Viol2t is better at ana than crimzo

[trail perch]

brig isnt, but flexability is important

[next mesa]

And when there was a moira

[noble nexus]

yea I bet viol2t has the better widow too so he's a better fs

[next mesa]

Viol2t played, not twilight

[noble nexus]

it's about flexibility

[trail perch]

Since a meta like brig bap had fs on brig

like when alarm played brig

and twilight

[next mesa]

Wrong

[trail perch]

wdym wrong

[next mesa]

That was only because alarm and twilight were better than moth and funnyastro

At brig

The rest of the teams

You don't see luffy playing brig

Instead of ljg? Lmao

[noble nexus]

lmfao

[trail perch]

But its that flexablility that is valued

when ranking players

Considering they can flex onto other roles

[noble nexus]

but we established there are 4 FS heroes to rank them on and then we you realised that it wasn't as close as you thought you defaulted onto brig because a few teams ran the FS on brig

and if that's the case I've seen viol2t play a good widow so I think he's better

[trail perch]

No, it was even on those characters

Because Twilight better ana, Viol2t better bap

other 2 more or less even

[noble nexus]

viol2t better bap and zen

[earnest leaf]

I don't think the zen is even

[trail perch]

??

Twilight nutty zen

[noble nexus]

the moira is leaning towards moira but twilight has a decent moira too

viol2t is def better on zen

[earnest leaf]

I think it was crusty who said ana was the better pick during GF meta, but shock ran zen because viol2t was just that good on him

[trail perch]

No they said they misread the meta

[noble nexus]

you even said he was better on zen earlier

[trail perch]

I said that it was comprable

in moira and zen

notice the wording

[noble nexus]

and just better on zen

[earnest leaf]

Sure they misread the meta, but they still won on the worse hero pick

[next mesa]

He's just better

[earnest leaf]

And it worked because viol2t is alpha

[trail perch]

They prob would have won with twilight on zen

[noble nexus]

you keep changing the wording to mean different things

[next mesa]

Twilight second best zen, doesn't matter

Because viol2t is better

[noble nexus]

from better to even to comparable

[next mesa]

Does it matter? Twilight didn't play you fucking dingus

[trail perch]

Synergy

[next mesa]

???????

[trail perch]

Twilight was a newer addition to the team

and when you have 2 comprable players

You would take the one who synergizes better with the rest of the team

and since viol2t has that extra year

its a no brainer

[noble nexus]

it's more deep than that because I think it's more about playstyles on zen

[earnest leaf]

Viol2t is just the best FS

tis simple

[trail perch]

With viol2t being more individual fragging and twilight being consistant dmg?

[noble nexus]

and viol2ts playstyle has more benefits

I'd say that viol2t still has consistent damage it's just viol2t is more a playmaker on the zen

[trail perch]

See this is a helpful convo

[trail perch]

this is not

If I was constructing a team tho i would prefer twilight

Prob because the things that viol2t is better at, isnt as big of a gap

and twilight just gives more flexability

[noble nexus]

twilight gives more flexibility to a role because he plays out of the role?

and I'd also say there is a huge gap in their bap and a gap in their zen

their moira is maybe comparable

but considering viol2t started over him on the moira I think his moira is still better

viol2t is definitely the best FS

but by how close is also debatable

[trail perch]

I think that twilight brings more flexability because he plays more, especially if you ever wanted to switch from Zen to ana

or moira to ana

or ana to zen

[noble nexus]

or zen to bap

for viol2t

like they did in the GF

[trail perch]

in that situation I would prefer viol2t

[hot heart]

I think Viol2t is the best FS in OWL but if you were only allowed one FS on your team you'd pick twighlight

[trail perch]

yeah

prob that

[hot heart]

But even then

Not 100% sure

Viol2ts ana is good just not incredible

[noble nexus]

if you're making a team and only signing one FS that's an oversight tbf

considering how good double fs was

[hot heart]

Ye

[noble nexus]

but I see what you mean

I just don't agree

[hot heart]

It was just a hypothetical

Yeah

Im not sure either

I'd take viol2t too

Hard to say

Actually id take viol2t

[noble nexus]

I think the gap between viol2ts bap and twilight's and his zen to twilights is big enough for it to be worth

[hot heart]

Yeah

He could always learn ana more and become a top ana

He has the talent

[noble nexus]

yeah 100%

especially since if you were making a team you'd also want crusty to coach it lmao

in a hypothetical

[hot heart]

Ye

[noble nexus]

so coaching anything is possible realistically

[hot heart]

I think Viol2t is kinda like a bumper on FS

He can still play at the highest level without his team pocketing him like NYXL and jjonak

But

He'd feed much more

[noble nexus]

I feel like he doesn't feed enough for his skill level to be affected

because he's good enough for how he feeds to not be a hard throw without his team pocketing him

[cobalt spoke]

You cant feed if you win every duel

[next mesa]

that flank on hollywood

is it feeding?

no because he won the 1v2

so shut up

[raw ermine]

Throughly disappointed to say that the term 'fury' trending under 'sports' has nothing to do with defense matrix, or even overwatch for that matter

On twitter

That is

[lyric cliff]

Who did Atlanta sign?

[raw ermine]

Pelican

[lyric cliff]

No they signed another dps player

Check the Twitter

[raw ermine]

Nope

that was toronto

[cloud latch]

atlanta's dps are kinda nasty

pelican edison and sharp

yes

[solar bison]

Pelican was good in contenders but unproven

Edison was good in contenders but dropped the ball in S3

Sharp played echo

[digital cloud]

Atlanta had bad coaching season three

[solar bison]

True

[digital cloud]

I think edison can look good on a different team

[solar bison]

Is it same coaches

[digital cloud]

or if the coaching improves

I believe it is

sadly

[solar bison]

Well

[next mesa]

wtf they really kept the same coaches

weirdchamp

[digital cloud]

I think so

not sure

haven't checked for a while

[solar bison]

Did sharp play anything besides echo?

[digital cloud]

sephy still

lol

looks like they are mostly the same

had a few members leave it appears

[solar bison]

No new people have joined since dafran as a streamer except LegitRc in march as a coach

In terms of org

[tawdry hamlet]

Sharp wasn't bad

I think

[cloud latch]

reign is kinda rolling valiant rn

[solar bison]

OWL is on?

[cloud latch]

no just show matches

[solar bison]

Ok

[tawdry hamlet]

Valiant winter ball

[shell forum]

agilities valiant pog

[earnest leaf]

Wonder how well the glads are gonna do

vs mayhem here

[silk frost]

What's it live on?

[earnest leaf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbhye3a_iV8&ab_channel=LAValiant

[silk frost]

mirror looks better

[sullen berry]

Dope

Kevster is Adasa

Nails the pulse onto GNJ

Yaki LUL

[next mesa]

LOL

wtf glads looks kinda

sexy

[digital cloud]

honestly, this match makes me think owl is gonna be massively better next year

skill wise

[tawdry hamlet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/774404460004245532/787492674138931220/image0.png

collegiate esports go brr

[digital cloud]

who is this referring to

[next mesa]

birdring is feeling it.. LOL

oge is popping

dude

[solar bison]

Oge?

[next mesa]

kevster pulsed slime like 50 times

slime washed confirmed

prob just not that used to brig rn

[trail perch]

Slime brig unproven

as well as mercy

[next mesa]

I know

dude

kevster pulse bbombs so cracked? wtf

KEVSTER????????????

?????????????????/

WTF

[wintry kraken]

he still got owned by Jay3 tho 😄

[solar bison]

Kevster on fire

[next mesa]

wtf is this dps duo

HELLO

WHAT IS THIS

[solar bison]

3-0

Dps hard carry

[next mesa]

wow

that was kevster and moth diff

ngl

[solar bison]

Is kevster on 0 ping?

[next mesa]

LOL

maybe

dude I swear on this map alone

he hit like 20 pulse b ombs

[solar bison]

I wouldnt be suprised

If it were true

[next mesa]

maybe not bombs sticked

but the kills

who is s2qi?

[solar bison]

He got infinite amounts of double kills during glads attack run

Where?

[next mesa]

is heeee

the guy that played echo

on glads

[solar bison]

Mirror

[next mesa]

ohh

yeah

[solar bison]

Well we know glads has promise

And atlanta isn’t completely screwed

Still, a lot can change

[next mesa]

kevster and birdring

dude yaki didn't even play bad

kevster just fucked

[solar bison]

Kevster just too good

[digital cloud]

kevster is a god

wonder how he would do against danteh rn

[solar bison]

Kevster 0 ping is just illegal

[next mesa]

apparently someone in chat said he's still on 120 ping

I dont fuckin believe it dude

[digital cloud]

probably kevster wins that

[next mesa]

kevster is def the more gifted player in my opinion

def gonna pass danteh

[solar bison]

Between him and danteh

[next mesa]

if not already

[solar bison]

Currently, kevster 100%

Maybe if danteh gets good coaches

He has a small chance

[digital cloud]

pelican looked nice too

[solar bison]

Did valiant just suck

Or is atlanta good?

Or both

[digital cloud]

valiant wasn't looking that awesome

but they didn't look that bad

hard to say, but pelican still looked good

[solar bison]

Ok

Mayhem looked pretty good

But kevster was just too chad

[digital cloud]

kevster a good pickup

[solar bison]

Didnt they get kevster in the middle of the year

[digital cloud]

yeah, I think so

of the two games, the glads v mayhem looked far more clean

[solar bison]

Yeah

Who finished 5th?

In NA

[digital cloud]

atlanta v valiant was a bit scuffed

last year?

[solar bison]

Yeah

[digital cloud]

not sure

[solar bison]

It went fusion shock paris mayhem

And I know glads reign and valiant had pretty much identical records

[next mesa]

I think it was reign

[solar bison]

Wonder why those 4 teams were chosen

Idk, probably not anything big

[next mesa]

close to valiant

wait no florida is not cloes to la lmao

[solar bison]

Well atlanta and florida are close on the east coast

Glads and Valiant are same city

Maybe cuz they were mid tier last year

[digital cloud]

looking at the game again

pelican was godly

man might be better than erster

[next mesa]

maybe

there's a reason why they dumped erster after all

[silk frost]

because they couldn't coach him so he was stagnant

[next mesa]

yes because reign coaches clown fiesta 🤡

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/apply/status/1337874088518275074?s=21

Apply (@Apply)

@McGravy I remember bumper 360 shattering us off the top of numbani first, then we got spawn camped very fun block

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[next mesa]

classic bumper

[hot heart]

Glads are fucking monstrous

Pelican is just unbelievably good

And im a bit disappointed with mayhem

[tropic herald]

Valiant kinda planked

So did Mayhem

But I feel like planking to Atlanta is a worse feeling than Glads

[hot heart]

I mean honestly

[raw ermine]

what did pelican play?

[hot heart]

Pelican and edison just fucked

Echo and hanzo if i remember correctly

And a bit of tracer too i think

Dude looked incredible

Like

Probably the best dps we've seen today

[tropic herald]

I also wonder if ping plays into these matchups

At least with Shanghai Masters they were on low if not any ping

[raw ermine]

wait the Dusttin Bowerman show already existed?

[tropic herald]

wait

revival lost

to cowman on tracer

[solar bison]

Mayhem played well

But kevster birdring moth just said no

[next mesa]

the amount of pulse bombs kevster hit was inhuman

its like striker decided to possess him

[solar bison]

I was kinda suprised with Oge

[next mesa]

y

oge solid

[solar bison]

I mean

[next mesa]

as of right now, he's prob still better than muze

[solar bison]

For some reason i got him confused with R0ar

[next mesa]

bruh

[solar bison]

Both glads MT

[next mesa]

the worse main tank in the league

roar is in justice

[solar bison]

Not anymore

Or did they not drop him

[next mesa]

oh yeah they dropped him

I meant he was playing for justice

[sullen berry]

But will valiant set themselves up for that delicious reverse sweep?

They'd likely need to rematch against atlanta who did kick ass with Pelican

[next mesa]

ohh roar played for glads in 2019

oops

[sullen berry]

Roar wasn't exactly bad during Goats, anything after it has been nothing but negative due to their inability to clutch with him

I do remember his glads debut where he simply got outclassed by fissure back on Seoul

[solar bison]

Didnt R0ar have a good contenders season

In 2018

[hot heart]

YeH

With decay

They just rolled in contenders

I think

[sullen berry]

Yeah his contenders run was glorious, some would say superior and more dominant than Runaway with bumper haksal and co.

[hot heart]

How did it all go so bad

[silk frost]

Overconfidence

[tawdry hamlet]

Wait who TF is bobobong

[silk frost]

RaiN

[sullen berry]

I'm impressed the stream only just ended for Day One just now

[hot heart]

Ye just saw

[harsh sedge]

people are saying viol2t is a better zen than jjonak

i just vod reviewed both and jjonak seems far superior >_>

better use of cover, less positioning mistakes

[cedar oasis]

Run

[hot heart]

What you think are positioning mistakes could just be him being ultra aggressive

[cedar oasis]

Jjonack kinda feeds

[edgy tinsel]

viol2t is quite literally the best zen in the world

and it's not close

[karmic grotto]

that's subjective

[robust steppe]

wait did dogman retire?

[wanton birch]

Yeah I think playing with revival was a big mistake for paintbrush 😬

Also mumas officially not even contenders level XD

[harsh sedge]

i watched viol2t's grand finals and sometimes i noticed him playing poorly and was like "wow are the enemy team really not going to punish him for that?" and sure enough 3 seconds later he dies

from what i can tell the inflated stats are just caused by team diff

[wanton birch]

Violets bap is the best in the world no questions asked

[harsh sedge]

i think maybe if youre below gm you wouldnt see mistakes yeah

[wanton birch]

I personally strongly dislike him but you can’t say he isn’t insane

[harsh sedge]

i didnt say he wasnt

[wanton birch]

I’m saying in general

[harsh sedge]

but top1 zen is wrong

imo

[wanton birch]

Not directed towards you

What other great zen players are there though ?

Of the top of my head I can only think of izayaki jjonak and maybe twilight?

[harsh sedge]

alarm?

[wanton birch]

not sure i dont really pay much attention to supports tbh XD

[cobalt spoke]

Still better than literally every other zen in the game

[harsh sedge]

i compared it to jjonak's zen vs the same team (seoul dynasty) on busan

[true hound]

peak jjonak

was the best zen we've seen

lets b real

killing machine

[next mesa]

Everyone else just sucked

[tawdry hamlet]

Violet is the best Zen currently, but his ego and play style lead to his deaths looking dumb because if he wasn't straight frontline dpsing he wouldn't look dumb when he died

I think he's amazing, but I also think he's too aggressive

[raw ermine]

The best players at some roles only exist cause of the way the team plays around them. You wouldn't see such domination from jj or viol2t without the team. And it won't be possible to top their highs without a similar team.

[tawdry hamlet]

Yee

Violet playing around a non god tier tank line would be like myun last season

Not that he's bad but support simply can't carry without a team effort

Unless it's reddit lucio in ladder dpsing for a fat carry

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/Hurricane/status/1337129393609707520

British Hurricane (@Hurricane)

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Might have been posted but they are kinda confirming the promotion

[next mesa]

Getting beat by obey looks pretty bad for them tho tbh

[silk frost]

Yeah but they are hungry for revenge

[noble nexus]

Could be down to them focusing more on their promotion because it’s been rumoured for a while now

I think they’ll be about middle tier in owl tho as a team

[raw ermine]

are they not going to promote Fischer to OWL?

[wanton birch]

do you guys think lukemino will be picked up this season or nah ?

[raw ermine]

I could only see Houston, or Vancouver picking him up

and maybe 1 other team that doesn't come to mind

for double flex sup?

ehh

maybe

[wanton birch]

i thought he would have been a good fit for glads but with skewed i dont think thatll happen

[noble nexus]

Skewed might be one of the most interesting pickups I’ve seen this season

Or joobi

[raw ermine]

yeah not to LAG

[wanton birch]

skewed looked interesting against florida

last round he did pretty good and last fight he kinda popped

[noble nexus]

Glads looked good in that tourney

I think they’re gonna be serious competition for top teams in s4

[wanton birch]

man i just saw leakmafias banner of 2017 kongdoo and damn if that was an owl team they would still be top tier

[raw ermine]

Void Fissure Birdring Rascal Bdosin

those are all the good players

plus a ms

[wanton birch]

luffy is pretty good as well

and if we stretch the date and add decay ......

[karmic grotto]

lmao

[plush light]

and coma

[silk frost]

and coma

[tawdry hamlet]

oooh I got in a game with lukemino a few days ago

[true hound]

wtf

sticky gm???????!!!!!!

[earnest leaf]

I will say about lukemino, never seen him be toxic

[noble nexus]

Never seen Viol2t be toxic either Kappa

[earnest leaf]

Viol2t is a saint

[noble nexus]

So is his brother l0l

[next mesa]

yeah not a cheater or anything

[noble nexus]

Definitely not

Viol2t bet his career on that shit that’s actually unbelievably funny

[next mesa]

thank god super, the godly gamer saved viol2t's career

"dont retire just because ur brother dumb lol"

[noble nexus]

lmfao

Viol2t should get a PR team because he’s not that good at it

Spend half his salary on it but it’s worth to keep him from betting his career away

[raw ermine]

looked it up

around 63k to 85k for a pr manager

per year

the league average last year

was like 100k

so he makes probably 170k?

he could afford it

or just ask super every time he makes a post

[wanton birch]

Has leak mafia been right about everything so far ?

Cause I don’t get why glads would outbid philly for GaeBullSsi seeing they already have space

[mortal abyss]

Recently they've been getting things right but before they got like nothing true so take that as you will

[digital cloud]

idk, but looking forward to glads v reign today

thinking glads looked better yesterday, but pelican, my god

[hot heart]

Yeah

They were by far the best two teams yesterday

Really excited to see pelican play against kevster and birdring

[tropic herald]

dubai stomping otpog rn

[digital cloud]

honestly, I think the dps lines for both teams are comparable

the tank and support lines I don't know what to think yet

probably support and tank for glads are better

at least in the long run, maybe not yet

fixing to start, btw, guys

[tropic herald]

shu and lr1s feel comparable but masaa does not feel comparable to moth

[digital cloud]

definitely not one to one

[raw ermine]

moth is def better

how did adam look?

[digital cloud]

on the valiant?

not that great, tbh

atlanta was a bit sloppy, but they still destroyed valiant

[raw ermine]

so then space is better

[digital cloud]

probably

[raw ermine]

as for muze ?

[tropic herald]

adam looked meh but also he was on masiive ping

[digital cloud]

muze looked good

definitely comparable to gator

better, probably

[tropic herald]

muze and gator def on diff levels

[digital cloud]

but gator looked good on ball actually

[tropic herald]

with muze higher

although yeah gator on ball was good

[digital cloud]

I think maybe atlanta has ironed out the kinks

they still had some questionable stuff, but overall I have a bit more hope for them now

pelican is likely to be the difference maker, if any

[tropic herald]

yeah pelican kinda carried atlanta hard

[digital cloud]

I think gator contributed massively as well

and edison too

[tropic herald]

i still think if atlanta got a better ot and ms

and another dps

then id feel better about them

[digital cloud]

you are probably right, but I don't think they are too bad looking rn

match should show some more though

I think they ought to pick up some more players if they can, anyway

just in case

[tropic herald]

like there is some good ots both eastern and western

and same with ms

just need to decide what direction they go

[tawdry hamlet]

No loll it was 1k gun game and he was at the top and I looked and he was 4600+ so im pretty sure it was him

Pogchamp

[mortal abyss]

Does anyone have a link to the reign thing so i can watch?

[digital cloud]

it is on youtube

just look up the valiant

[primal minnow]

La valiant channel

[digital cloud]

wait, it is double elim

I did not know that

well good for us

aww, mayhem vs valiant is first

[worn falcon]

hango main

[digital cloud]

he wants to improve flex?

I guess that is mostly what he is . . .

I just think of him as the tracer/sombra

[tropic herald]

this looks pretty even

[weak bolt]

Shax vs Mayhem

Who on earth is Bobobong playing for LAV?

[next mesa]

REIN ZARYA????

WTF

who's bobobong

its "ojee" not "ojee-e"? wtf

I could've sworn it was ojee e

[weak bolt]

Think its Ojee, but one of the casters still goes Ojee-e

[digital cloud]

people saying it is rain

bobobong

[next mesa]

gangnamjin is like

kinda getting shit on

[weak bolt]

Agilities echo is looking pretty clean honestly. If he can specialize on Genji/Echo/Mei/Doom he could do well for LAV

[next mesa]

It feels like every match is

"which tracer pops off more"

which im not complainin

[digital cloud]

mayhem lol

again

don't touch in time

[next mesa]

what is this c9

mayhem looks kinda sus

[weak bolt]

Guessing they havent had tons of time to scrim yet honestly

Maybe just lacking the co-ordination

[digital cloud]

supposedly they are high ping too

looking not as good as yesterday though

I would have said mayhem looked better yesterday

[next mesa]

wtf

yaki is on 200 ping

okay wtf

[trail perch]

Wait is anyone else seeing that weirdo in chat pretending to leak shit

bc they said jehong is getting signed, so everything he's saying is wrong

[next mesa]

yeah

well he said

"pine is going to nyxl"

made me check twitter tbh

[trail perch]

Also 2 new teams in 2022

So doubtful

[next mesa]

off role?

wtf

[trail perch]

tf is going on

Lastro genji

Agillities ana

[noble nexus]

I don't know what's wrong with this

fine to me

[mortal abyss]

What is even going on

super v lastro genji 1v1 now

[raw ermine]

its rain

check liquipedia

[digital cloud]

reign and glads looking close

round two not so much

geez

[next mesa]

who won

[digital cloud]

glads for round two

reign round 1

round three as yet to be determined

glads win first map with a big clutch

close map

[weak bolt]

Reigns biggest issue still looking like their tank line

[digital cloud]

I think that might be true

looked to me like echo might have not been the option, however

[plush grail]

did ksaa find a team yet

[next mesa]

imagine if shredlock was on a team but not ksaa

[weak bolt]

nope, and not looking like ksaa will

[plush grail]

it just sucks how some vancouver players from after the purge are also just not returning because of the titans

shockwave managed to find a team

but because the titans looked shit the other players are fucked

[weak bolt]

Shockwave appeared to be far higher skill potental than the others tbh

[plush grail]

shockwave and ksaa were bright spots tho

[weak bolt]

ksaa was ok, but also consider that players like Jjanu and Mek0 aren't finding teams either. OT is stacked role

[next mesa]

whos the guy

korean guy

edison?

[gilded dagger]

What role

DPS tank or support

[next mesa]

oh yeah edison

[weak bolt]

yeah its Edison

[earnest leaf]

kevster is just bullying

[digital cloud]

forgot kevster had a hanzo

dang

[earnest leaf]

I wonder if kevster could go on an mvp run for next year

[solar bison]

Possibly

[earnest leaf]

he has the team to back it up

[digital cloud]

he or pelican could probably

[solar bison]

If he keeps this up

[weak bolt]

If Glads can perform to their potential, dont see why not

[earnest leaf]

gator is hard throwing

[digital cloud]

not a fan of hog here

altanta made good adjustments though

[earnest leaf]

plus this point is not great for ball on offense

[digital cloud]

doubt they can hold it that long

[earnest leaf]

and the hog can play the angles way easier

[weak bolt]

Pelican looking good, hope he isn't just wasted on reign

[digital cloud]

glads look better overall, but the difference between the two is not that big, seemingly

[next mesa]

why is gator bad

[digital cloud]

idk

why do you all hate gator

[weak bolt]

If Gator could follow up on his hooks properly they'd be far better at this...

[next mesa]

bruh he can't one shot, wtf kinda weird

[weak bolt]

Atlanta are going to be mid tier this year unless they pick up better tanks. That's my take on them

[next mesa]

yeah well, essentially they just added iris and pelican, sooo

can't expect that much

[earnest leaf]

idk why reign went that comp

It basically leaves the ashe uncontested unless you do a full dive commit

And they tried and edison got insta killed and gator got melted lol

[weak bolt]

Gator looks really bad on ball/hog honestly. They need to prey for a shield meta

[digital cloud]

why don't they have him on sig and hawk on ball/hog

he has a sig that contested choi year before last

I feel like the tanks on reign aren't too bad, but are misused

[next mesa]

hawk played in owl in s2?

wasn't he in atl academy

[digital cloud]

I mean have gator on sig

[next mesa]

oh

gator was in owl in s2?

[digital cloud]

he is the sig that contested choi

[next mesa]

contested

[raw ermine]

he was 2 way

he did contest choi

in the famous c9 match

he dominated choi

b4 choi was good at sig

[digital cloud]

well they won against shock in that infamous match

[weak bolt]

That was very early on in the Sigma release though

Sigma play has improved a ton since then

[digital cloud]

I am just saying he could play sig

[next mesa]

ohh that one

[digital cloud]

he might be better off on sig now than playing off tanks

sig is sort of like a mt

[weak bolt]

Does Hawk even play ball/hog though?

[digital cloud]

idk

he should as an off tank player, if you ask me

even just in his back pocket

though mts tend to play ball I suppose in owl

[weak bolt]

Ball is a MT hero really, his Hog is probably ok, but overall I'd think Hawk Sigma and Gator ball/hog is the better option

If ball stays meta in S4, we could really see teams with stronger MT's doing well.

[next mesa]

chengdu wins

ameng finals mvp

[weak bolt]

if ball is meta, Chengdu will be playing Rein/Orisa or some weird shit

[thin relic]

that is the chengdu way

[next mesa]

kevster is doing so much

HE CANT POSSIBLY DO MORE

[wanton birch]

so much good talent still not signed

GaeBullSsi, rascal, Lukemino and now Venom/sigma

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/yehhh/status/1338248896670261249?s=21

Albert Yeh (@yeHHH)

Now we can hibernate until the season starts up again, it's been a busy weekend for everyone on the @FLMayhem. Big thanks to all our players and staff based out of Korea pulling all-nighters 3 days straight for the announcement stream and the Winter Ball

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Twitter · Dec 13, 2020, 10:26 PM

[solar bison]

Damn mayhem

Get some sleep

[tidal ridge]

long contracts from mayhem

[cobalt spoke]

Doesnt matter

The 3 peat is iminant

I garuntee it

[tidal ridge]

damn in the plat chat florida mayhem interview something that was brought up got me wondering

apparently slime brought up cliques within the team during contract negotiations

[tropic herald]

finally have glads v reign

this is the game ive been waiting for

[digital cloud]

They played earlier too

Who won that

Glads I assume

[next mesa]

Glads

[digital cloud]

Pelican can only carry so much

Gator looks good on ball against bad teams

But bad against good teams

[next mesa]

That tends to happen when you're mediocre

[tidal ridge]

tends to happen when you're going up against better players

[thin relic]

rip square one

[tawdry hamlet]

wait noble and odyssey made it to the semi finals

bruh

wtf revival and square one

[hot heart]

Okay so

Mayhems goal for 2021 is ofc to win it all

But

Being below top 4 (overall) would be disappointing

I really want mayhem to be a top 4 team

I see so much potential in them

But the other teams are just beyond stackrd

[digital cloud]

it is early, but they did not look it today

[hot heart]

So it'll be really hard

Yeah

[worn falcon]

Chengdu champions of s4

🙏

[cloud latch]

was mayhem on high ping tho

[hot heart]

You mean s4 and beyond?

[worn falcon]

Yes

[hot heart]

Idk

[silk frost]

I expect mayhem to be 12th

[hot heart]

H u h

What're your power rankings then?

[silk frost]

bad

[hot heart]

Lmao

I'll prepare myself

[silk frost]

I don't trust Oge and I REALLY don't trust Checkmate/slime

[hot heart]

Hmm

I get not trusting checkmate or slime

But OGS

*OGE

[silk frost]

I think his ball is his best hero and I wasn't that impressed today

[hot heart]

Im still not solid on where to put mayhem since this team is still very new

But

[silk frost]

god do I have to send my rankings

[hot heart]

Im ngl

[hot heart]

Yes

[hot heart]

Mayhems winter ball performance was a bit lacking

[silk frost]

god it's so scuffed

[hot heart]

But im fine with it

[silk frost]

VALIANT ARE TOO HIGH

[hot heart]

Jesus

[silk frost]

dude I said it was bad

[hot heart]

I see that lmao

[silk frost]

but last time I didn't go with my gut and my gut said atlanta 12th

AND LOOK WHAT HAPPENED

[hot heart]

Hmm

why philly that low

Or actually

[silk frost]

I'm a little scared of mano/poko and carpe/eqo

[hot heart]

Why Chengdu that high

[silk frost]

DUDE

CHENGDU

to quote myself

[tropic herald]

There is quite a few issues with this

[silk frost]

"fuck it, chengdu"

[hot heart]

And boston

[silk frost]

ok listen I can explain the boston thing

[tropic herald]

Why is Hangzhou higher than Guangzhou

[hot heart]

Yeah

[silk frost]

I genuinely think that boston with a good coaching staff can really be quite a good team, like I have a ton of faith in those guys

and dude

hangzhou are insane

[tawdry hamlet]

Why is boston above seoul tho

[hot heart]

Answer the question tyumnster

[tawdry hamlet]

[tropic herald]

Hangzhou didn’t take a map off Shanghai in SM

But Guangzhou went to map 5

[silk frost]

yes BUT

this is a completely different guangzhou and hangzhou

[tawdry hamlet]

I agree with valiant mayhem and titans and houston

[hot heart]

I mean

[tropic herald]

What

[hot heart]

They have the potential to be good

[tropic herald]

SM had their full rosters

[silk frost]

OH

I thought you meant summer like summer showdown my b

idk I think I have a lot of faith in Hangzhou

[hot heart]

But not that good

[silk frost]

I don't have much in Guangzhou

[tawdry hamlet]

It's sad to think houston is going to be the second worst next season but we know it's gonna happen

[hot heart]

Have you seen Kaylee though

Dude was incredible

[silk frost]

oh right I forgot the coaching things uh

[tawdry hamlet]

Matched diem

[hot heart]

Also GZ with arachne

[silk frost]

I refuse to drop boston but i shall drop chengdu

[hot heart]

Actually

Lemme make my power rankings

Brb

[tropic herald]

Also

Justice are

Very high

[silk frost]

mag decay fury

[tropic herald]

When they only got a main tank upgrade

[silk frost]

MAG DECAY FURY

[hot heart]

Brk

Bro

Lmao

Fury is an upgrade over jjanu

And decay is a freakbeast

Also

[silk frost]

I've been a bebe stan for a while too

[hot heart]

better support line

And a good secondary hitscan

BeBe is fine

[silk frost]

only real holes are MS and Flex DPS

I wouldn't be surprised to see a decay/jerry duo over a decay/ttuba duo

[hot heart]

He was amazing in s2 tho

[silk frost]

NOW IF PHILLY HAD RASCAL THEN WE'D BE HAVING A NEW CONVERSATION

[hot heart]

Last we heard they were winning the bidding war for him

And honestly

Who can outbit philly

*outbid

[silk frost]

Justice, Glads, Dallas

[tropic herald]

Philly with Rascal and GBS

[silk frost]

could see Toronto making a play for Rascal

I have so much faith in 2021 boston t's fucking stupid

[hot heart]

Yeo

[silk frost]

tbh I'm shocked no one mentioned how low I had NYXL

[tropic herald]

So much faith you say?

[hot heart]

See

[silk frost]

faith

[hot heart]

NYXL could plank

Or

Do very well

Either way

[silk frost]

faith

[hot heart]

They'll be forgettable

[silk frost]

I just think building around jjonak is a mistake

[hot heart]

Ye

Just pickup a rookie tbh

[silk frost]

tbh it depends on their DPS and MS

dude NYXL should have made the power play and picked up Molly

[hot heart]

They have ivy and gwanboong

[tawdry hamlet]

This is mine

[silk frost]

Seoul?

[hot heart]

They werent gonna get molly even if they had the money

[silk frost]

Why seoul 5?

[hot heart]

Yeah

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean I can't just ignore second place in grand finals

[silk frost]

fair

for me though I just cannot get over the thought that they'll have the same coaching staff with no Tobi keeping everything together

they'll be a more exaggerated version of 2021 seoul imo

2020*

[tawdry hamlet]

Hmm I know glads are good but I am unsure how they stack up vs like charge or spark

[silk frost]

dude

moth and shu

a fully unleashed kevster

[hot heart]

Ye

[silk frost]

Space and Muze

[hot heart]

Glads Probably get top 5

Or 6

[silk frost]

dude my hot take is that Glads are the #2 team at the end

[hot heart]

NA?

[silk frost]

overall

[hot heart]

Bro

That is scolding hot

[silk frost]

I think a shanghai without Fearless is slightly more vulnerable

[tawdry hamlet]

My hot take is london is going to be worse than vancouver

[silk frost]

really?

[hot heart]

Eh

Vancouver is just ass

[silk frost]

that's a fuckin ghost pepper take

[hot heart]

Straight booty cheeks

[tawdry hamlet]

Indeed it is hehe

[hot heart]

London have BH

And probably like

[silk frost]

they have benched atlanta players

[hot heart]

A couple OWL players

[tawdry hamlet]

[silk frost]

faith 0

AND THEY'RE RUINING DALTON STILL

[tawdry hamlet]

Vancouver was like lemme sign downgrades to the worst team in the league

[silk frost]

GET A FLEX DPS YOU FUCKING PLEBIANS

[gloomy vector]

i figure nyxl prob already announced those two but two people join jjonak making a 3 man squad

[tawdry hamlet]

Tbf chex and logix are still in the job

[silk frost]

Logix is better than Linkzr bro

[tropic herald]

Ez

[tawdry hamlet]

Wish ksp or ksf had gone vancouver

[silk frost]

oh my god

I almost died

I thought chengdu was #20

[hot heart]

Lmao

[silk frost]

bro take atlanta DOWN

[tropic herald]

No

[silk frost]

Pelican can't carry that hard

[tawdry hamlet]

Is that a genuine list

[tropic herald]

I didn’t put too much effort into it

[tawdry hamlet]

With vancouver above current shanghai

[silk frost]

I mean besides atlanta that list is mostly fine

apac split

[gloomy vector]

yeah Atalanta doesnt seem the best

[tawdry hamlet]

I see now

[tropic herald]

I’m also assuming that Philly gets GBS and Rascal

[silk frost]

if you're assuming that then you're assuming a #1 finish

[gloomy vector]

i still think fuel will do good this year

[tawdry hamlet]

Imo valiant too high

[silk frost]

okay maybe not that much

remember they did just play without KSP

they should

should

be better

[tropic herald]

Also

Are any other teams moving to APAC?

[silk frost]

should be

[tropic herald]

Like London came back

[gloomy vector]

i just cant see titans winning more than 3 matches next year it will be rough

[tropic herald]

So APAC are still 7

[silk frost]

I'll guess either Toronto, Shock, or Mayhem go to APAC

[tawdry hamlet]

Seominsooo

[gloomy vector]

prob mayhem

[tropic herald]

Toronto makes sense

[gloomy vector]

yeah that too

[silk frost]

if Shock go to apac tho...

[tropic herald]

Seems weird that Mayhem played in the ball just to go to apac

[silk frost]

NA will be a clusterfuck

[tawdry hamlet]

Logix just moved into a bigger place so I don't think they are?

[silk frost]

Logix to vancouver clearly

[tawdry hamlet]

[gloomy vector]

still i dont see titans being any higher than 18thish

[silk frost]

bro if they're higher than 20 it's a miracle

[hot heart]

Let the flood gates open

Imma get roasted

[silk frost]

that seems fair actually

[gloomy vector]

why are titans so high

[silk frost]

London is NA tho

IT'S REGIONS

[tawdry hamlet]

That looks normal

[gloomy vector]

everyone is putting them up super high

[hot heart]

Huh

[silk frost]

the regions

[gloomy vector]

i just cant see it

[hot heart]

Region break

[silk frost]

APAC/NA

[tropic herald]

Glads making all these upgrades just to be top 4 gatekeepers again

[tawdry hamlet]

I would put fuel above glads

[silk frost]

god the boston thing looks so bad

[hot heart]

Yeah i mean

Tbh

[tropic herald]

Boston #5 NA

[tawdry hamlet]

Toronto and florida too low imo

[hot heart]

Theyre on the same level for me

Glads and dallas

[silk frost]

yeah Glads and Dallas is the close one

[hot heart]

Glads with the much better support line

Dallas with the all star tank line

[silk frost]

but I'm assuming Faith and Valentine go to Boston here

those were the rumors

[hot heart]

The dps seem more equal in terms of skill

[silk frost]

lemme specify here

[hot heart]

If faith and valentine go to boston that'll be humongous