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edgy tinsel
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i mean if shock has them it stops other teams getting them

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ensuring therye the best

idle gorge
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that's true

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but still they have 5 dps players and they'll only use like 3 of them

noble nexus
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shock sign players for the future

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if they didn't use taiyo this season they'll use him next one

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same with glister and nero

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but even then I reckon they'll use them all this season

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after losing rascal they need all the flexibility they can get out of these 5 players

hot heart
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I think ans might take an extended break

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Like possibly for most of 2021

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So glister being picked up was the smart move

idle gorge
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they used taiyo in 2 games i think

noble nexus
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yeah for genji meta

idle gorge
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after that genji got nerfed and was unviable

noble nexus
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I don't think ans will take an extended break but I could see him splitting time with glister

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it also challenges ans and striker to improve as to not get benched by the other dps they now have

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its deeper than to make sure other teams can't have them

idle gorge
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idk if nero is going to fit in with the team that good tho

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i mean he's good for sure, but idk if he's shock level good

hot heart
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Shock doesnt take in already established top top tier players

noble nexus
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I mean if there is gonna be a team to bring out the best in a player it's shock

hot heart
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They take in those witb the potential to be the very best

idle gorge
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even tho shock is already the best

noble nexus
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that's why the shock are the best

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ans was a t3 streamer before the shock signed him I think

idle gorge
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now ans is one of the best if not the best widow in the league

noble nexus
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rascal was on his way out of the league because of attitude issues before the shock signed him

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the shock know what they're doing when signing dps

idle gorge
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but if you get picked for a team why don't you want to play

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i mean when taiyo signed for schock i think he'd want to play

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not be benched and play when he's good enough and for now ans and striker are two of the best dps players in the world

hot heart
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Honestly

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Crusty doesnt pickup bench warmers

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You either play when you're needed

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Or you arent picked up

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He has a plan for everyone

noble nexus
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I mean yeah they'll fill their role

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taiyo glister and nero are all incredibly flexible

hot heart
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Dude's fucking executing his master plan

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Megamind Crusty

noble nexus
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considering two of them are hitscans that flex

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I reckon they'll be moulded into whatever the crust wants them to be

hot heart
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Actually

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Who has the best sombra on shock now

idle gorge
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Idk

noble nexus
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not sure tbh

idle gorge
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Not ans yet

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His sombra wasn’t that impressive last season

noble nexus
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he had some decent ult times towards the end of the season

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he was charging it quite fast

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and then just throwing it out

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randomly at times

hot heart
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I feel like ANS could be the best player in 2021

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Hot take Time

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Like

idle gorge
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Maybe striker

hot heart
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The dude has the talent

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He's like

noble nexus
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Is it a hot take to say that isn't a hot take

idle gorge
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But how good the shock is is just unfair

hot heart
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Able to play hitscan at tbe elite level

noble nexus
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we're going into a hot takeception

hot heart
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And can play projectile at a decent level

noble nexus
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for his first season he broke fucking records

hot heart
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Yeah

noble nexus
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he had the most final blows in a match

hot heart
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I think as rookies in thr OWL go

idle gorge
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Didn’t he have like 80 eliminations in one game

hot heart
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He is the best by far

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Well not by far

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Void exists

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And alarm

noble nexus
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Alarm won roty tho

idle gorge
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Super exists lmao

hot heart
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Huh

noble nexus
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I reckon Ans should have won

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roty

hot heart
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Yeah

noble nexus
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Alarm was good and all

hot heart
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I feel like ANS pushed shock go be unbeatable

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At times

idle gorge
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I hope super is just going to get more playtime next season

hot heart
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Him and viol2t just put shock on their back

noble nexus
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there were games were shock were just sloppy and got lifted to a win by viol2t and ans

idle gorge
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You’re talking like smurf and Choi are bad

noble nexus
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if these rein changes stay for next season super will play

hot heart
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Not sloppy but more like shock had bad reads on the meta sometimes

noble nexus
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that^

idle gorge
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Is super the best rein in the league

noble nexus
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ya

hot heart
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Yes

noble nexus
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wouldn't even say it's that close

hot heart
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And probably has a top 4 hog

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Dude clapped on hog

noble nexus
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super's hog was really good

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but gesture had 3 pockets so he got rolled in the 1v1

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in gf

hot heart
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Nah

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The zen on shock i think mitigated the ana's effectiveness

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Or like

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Made up for shock not playing ana

noble nexus
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I think that was just viol2t being better

hot heart
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Yeah

idle gorge
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Super is a meme and an really good player at the same time he’s just the best gamer ever

hot heart
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The Gamer

noble nexus
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super is incredibly valuable for more than just his ingame play

hot heart
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Ye

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Face Of OWL rn

noble nexus
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he carries the shock's youtube content when it's not BTS or comms stuff

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and he's the biggest owl streamer

hot heart
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Ye

noble nexus
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that guy actually has such a big impact on the league and the shock

idle gorge
hot heart
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No

hot heart
noble nexus
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all of the KR shock players can speak english well enough to be active in their yt stuff

idle gorge
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ye but they have weird not good understandeble accents

hot heart
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I think its more because of super being the most entertaining on shock

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No

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I literally thought smurf was some random american dude once

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Its weird

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Their accents fluctuate from a bit weird to just almost sounding American

noble nexus
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They speak english more than well enough to be understandable

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they comm in english a lot since crusty likes having them as a mixed roster

hot heart
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Yeah

idle gorge
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well idk, if you've heard their accents in the owl comms thingy it doesn't sound that good

hot heart
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It does though

noble nexus
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you must have your standards for their accents way too high

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they sound really good imo

next mesa
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You rather ride the bench on the shock, play like 3-4 games and look great then play for a mid tier, or shitty team for the entire season

noble nexus
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I mean being a former sf shock player will look great for their careers

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it boils down to more than just playtime

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or money

next mesa
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Exactly dude

trail perch
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Its the crusty diff

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Being coached under crusty ups ur value by 100k

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and coaching under crusty makes you a hot commodity for other teams

digital cloud
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I know that it would make little sense to do so, but I wish crusty could just teach all the other coaches his methods

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would really advance ow a fair ways

next mesa
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Moon maybe catching up

tawdry hamlet
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Moon turned shitters into winners with this one simple trick

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Signing fearless

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When did shanghai actually start to win though? What was the difference maker?

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Fleta?

digital cloud
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better players

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s1 players were trash

edgy tinsel
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better roster n coaching

next mesa
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Well

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They signed izayaki when everyone thought he was kinda dog with valiant

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Wait was moon the coach in s2 too

edgy tinsel
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for val stage 1

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he said custa too smart

tawdry hamlet
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Moon became coach 9-23-19

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Diya Couldn't carry back then I guess sadthonk

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0-40 go brr lolololo

next mesa
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Was diya even on the roster

tawdry hamlet
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Yes

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2017

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He was an og member pre Geguri even

next mesa
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I know fearless was

tawdry hamlet
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Hence why he always cried when they just barely lost because he's been there for all of the losses sadthonk

next mesa
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I didn't know diya was also?

tawdry hamlet
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Yeah October 31st 2017 he joined

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Oh yeah they got erster, that's a pretty fat upgrade from dding tbh

next mesa
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Facts

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Prob just takes less pressure off fleta doe

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Or maybe let erster concentrate on tracer

cobalt spoke
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And still be worse than striker

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Domt forget that part

tawdry hamlet
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Ok dawg get San Francisco's dick out of your mouth pls

edgy tinsel
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its true

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hot take: crusty can make glister the second best tracer in owl

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only behind striker

next mesa
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Why would they waste time doing that though

edgy tinsel
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striker might want a break

cobalt spoke
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Striker does not want break

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Striker wants to juice his enemies

tawdry hamlet
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We need rascal news already PogChimp

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To quote a great flex dps "big dick"

next mesa
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Would be a waste

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For glister

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Why train another tracer when you have the best tracer in the world

noble nexus
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big flex

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having both of the best tracers in the world

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l0l

next mesa
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Glisters talent can be spent elsewhere

tawdry hamlet
noble nexus
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well yeah they obviously aren't going to have him touch tracer if they don't need him to

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which they don't

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He'll probably focus on some of his other dps heroes that aren't hs

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like doom and shit

next mesa
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Grind that projectile back

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Or a flex

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He's just a true flex

noble nexus
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Glister is a bit like sinatraa

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a hs at his core but can play close to anything dps-wise

trail perch
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Was sinatraa a hitscan at his core?

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I thought he just played tracer

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and like doom genji

edgy tinsel
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he was just tracer

limber pine
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mostly tracer in season 1

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zarya/sombra season 2

trail perch
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Didnt he play a decent amount of junk?

edgy tinsel
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yh so never a hitscan

trail perch
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s1

edgy tinsel
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no junk was only rly played stage 1 2

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sinatraa wasn't eligible then

trail perch
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and s2 he played genji against dallas in stage4

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and doom for the entire finals

limber pine
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I think Danteh was their junk

noble nexus
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I thought he was a hs?

limber pine
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i don't remember

noble nexus
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oh actually ignore me

trail perch
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Nah sinatraa was a tracer specialist made flex

noble nexus
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I thought he played more hs heroes but that was someone else

trail perch
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Prob striker

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Or babybay

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or even danteh

noble nexus
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it was babybay

trail perch
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IDDQD even

noble nexus
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from s1

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iddqd played like 3 games

trail perch
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1 game

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1 map i think

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Dorado against dragons

raw ermine
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He played tracer genji sombra doom and Zarya

next mesa
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striker also got some flex doe

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like pharah hanzo junk

noble nexus
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most of their dps players have been flexible

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which is why they usually have the best dps line in the league

raw ermine
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He became the flex s1 after kap left

tawdry hamlet
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Waiting on my agilities valiant jersey like Megalul_a

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Idk why I even bought one he's a genji one trick omegalul

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But it was on sale

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2018 agilities go hard

tidal ridge
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damn

hidden vault
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You mean you bought it in 2018?

next mesa
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no he didn't he bought it like

hidden vault
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And it has yet to come?

next mesa
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5 days ago

hidden vault
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Kayy

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My bad

silk frost
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I had a dream that Washington traded decay to paris

hot heart
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Paris Eternal Decay

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So cursed

tawdry hamlet
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yee there are third party sites that sell old stock jerseys for cheap af

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so I bought one

plush grail
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@tawdry hamlet saw that mesage and googled a bit for sites

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and holy shit

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the older owl stuff is dirt cheap on fanatics

tawdry hamlet
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fanatic is nice

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yeah

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the old shock shirts are like 10 dollars lol

plush grail
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also only $5 shipping instead of like $30 shipping with blizzard

tawdry hamlet
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I kind of bought a bit since it was way way cheaper than owl store where a single jersey is like 120 plus shipping or some shit

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I bought the 150 on owl site jjonak signed mouse for 59 on fanatic OmegaLul

plush grail
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buy jjonak

tawdry hamlet
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I can't afford his salary crine

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this is so sad

plush grail
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nahh

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u have $59

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add like $20

tawdry hamlet
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truetrue

plush grail
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and u have jjonak

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@tawdry hamlet pog thanks for mentioning that owl merch is super cheap rn

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tawdry hamlet
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yee

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I bought some of the like 10 dollar replica jerseys just to have since I would rather wear them than be afraid of destroying such an expensive jersey lmao

plush grail
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nut stains on the poko jersey

tawdry hamlet
silk frost
next mesa
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oh shit

plush grail
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yooo

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yoooo

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is that allowed

tawdry hamlet
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ayy they found paintbrush woohoo

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I knew he could find somewhere

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and I already heard mcgravy and apply were there

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sick

raw ermine
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is muma seriously better than gig?

plush grail
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idk man

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muma was grinding

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who knows how good he is rn

tawdry hamlet
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I thought gig was on revival too?

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did they drop him?

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was gig that good to begin with I don't remember much of valiants tanks last season since I was on ksp hype train OmegaLUL

raw ermine
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he has been grinding

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so I guess

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gig was the rein player

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kinda like super

tawdry hamlet
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oh yeah didn't they bring him in because dreamer was off for health issues or something

raw ermine
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gig is to dreamer as super is too smurf

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oh yeah

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that happened during the summer showdown

plush grail
raw ermine
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lol

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in terms of hero pools and who plays what

tawdry hamlet
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ok but that revival lineup looks so op for contenders lmao

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literally over half the team are owl veterans lmao

plush grail
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watch them just feed their brains out and lose to some randos

tawdry hamlet
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pull a new kings lmaoo

plush grail
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i mean they have the feed KING

tawdry hamlet
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new kings had onigod lullish and ellivote and got stomped

plush grail
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wait really

tawdry hamlet
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iirc they placed like 8th according to liquidpedia

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I don't remember if I watched that series or not

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I just wanted the skins lmaoo

plush grail
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well fuck

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they're not making owl

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ever again

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lmao

tawdry hamlet
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it is rumored that ellivote and onigod are on new paris roster actually lmao

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iirc

plush grail
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ah yeah true

raw ermine
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yeah

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but that's highly sus

plush grail
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i dont think paris is in a position where they can say nvm we dont want you

tawdry hamlet
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not terrible but for eu contenders kind of bad

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onigod isn't that bad tbh

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linkzr tier imo

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
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sadge lol

noble nexus
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onigod was good in owl he just had to fill the void left by decay

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and there aren't many players who can do that and look good

tawdry hamlet
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to be fair they all joined new kings like 2 weeks before their series so they didn't have nearly the same synergy as other teams

balmy wolf
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Do you not know the best middle eastern dps player Fuki?

plush grail
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no idea

balmy wolf
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Ok me neither

tawdry hamlet
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lol

plush grail
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only middle eastern player i know is ksaa

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and that streamer yznsa or something

tawdry hamlet
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I guess 5th in all of eu contenders for a team that was put together like 2 weeks before the season is okay

noble nexus
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the pharah one trick that roles NA on 200 ping

tawdry hamlet
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but for 3 ex owl players kind of meh

noble nexus
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that guy is inspiring

silk frost
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Karra and whitenoise are good

wanton birch
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i wonder how much ojee will be signed for next season

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id say there will be a bidding war

tawdry hamlet
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man I wish we could just do cross region contenders games so I can see all the na and eu players I think are good get rekt by an apac team that is like 7th in apac contenders lmao

plush grail
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we kinda got cross region in owl

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but the meta was just fucked so it sucked

tawdry hamlet
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just crazy how big the gaps can be between like mid tier korean teams and top tier eu teams

plush grail
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hog meta out of nowhere fucked up alot of teams

tawdry hamlet
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yeah

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really wish blizzard could have like consistent metas that don't abruptly change so drastically and instead are just minor balances

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so we don't go from orisa sigma widow tracer every game to hog ball reaper sombra out of nowhere

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since finals probably would have played out a lot differently on dive or double shield metas

plush grail
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i dont know why people werent mad at all

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teams like fusion got fucked because no hog

tawdry hamlet
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I think people weren't mad because the actual series themselves were very fun to watch

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and it gave justice a real chance lmaoo

plush grail
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and teams like seoul went from like 50/50 games to fucking grand finals

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i wanna see profit and gesture win

tawdry hamlet
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I mean to be fair it was either seoul or nyxl going to finals so it didn't matter too much

plush grail
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but not because of a shitty meta change

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FUCK u

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if this dumb hog meta never happened

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the nyxl boys might have made the finals

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and stayed together

tawdry hamlet
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and then lost to shanghai most likely

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mid season shanghai was the most op team I think the league had ever seen

plush grail
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yeah but still, a grand finals appearance might have convinced a few of them to stay

next mesa
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would they though

tawdry hamlet
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just wish that shanghai could have been the end of the season

next mesa
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they got swept by seoul like

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before the playoffs started

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it was sus

tawdry hamlet
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profit smelled dollars !

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he smelled that profit

next mesa
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facts

plush grail
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seoul will dominate season 4 with the kiss a homie meta

tawdry hamlet
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I thought the fusion were going to beat shock tbh, then meta changed happened and I had to eat my words lolll

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was depressing

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finals probs would have been fusion dragons if the finals were in like post genji pre double shield nerfs

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after summer showdown but before countdown cup

plush grail
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Also imagine going from season 1 champions to being the furthest away from champions

tawdry hamlet
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lmao even chengdu beat london in playoffs lolol

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with baconjack

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the epitome of mid tier dps

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that london team had highly and glister

plush grail
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Wasn't that london v chengdu game the game where yeatle "coached" ameng

tawdry hamlet
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the rest were meh

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I was lowkey shocked when highly got 4th in the ana challenge thing

plush grail
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Glister made the biggest jump lmao, from solid worst team to champion team

tawdry hamlet
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since I didn't even know who he was lmao

plush grail
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Yeah tbh

next mesa
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highly is good man

plush grail
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Ask me who was on season 3 london

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I can name like 2/3 people

tawdry hamlet
next mesa
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creative 9th

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lmfaooo

tawdry hamlet
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that ana paintball hits different lmao

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crazy highly doesn't even have a team now

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tragic

cobalt spoke
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Twilight wasnt even there

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Smurf and twilight robbed

tawdry hamlet
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surprised jjonak still had the win in him

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I thought violet would catch up since he got close at some points

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but it is just paintball so it isn't an accurate test of anything lmao

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other than I guess reaction and spawn luck?

plush grail
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Skill

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Jjonak outskilled them

noble nexus
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well yeah it's harder to feed your brains out in ana paintball so he actually looked good in that

plush grail
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poooog

next mesa
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This just proves mechanically he's still cracked

noble nexus
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yeah I mean I'm not sure anyone thought otherwise

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he just feeds too hard on heroes that aren't ana and maybe zen

trail perch
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Unpopular opinion, jjonak doesnt feed, his team in s3 just didnt know how to play around it

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and it all comes back to hotba probably being the worst signing of the entire off season

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He singlehandedly made a top 5 team place lower

tawdry hamlet
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idk the whole team didn't look nearly as good as they used to be in general

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individually all those players used to be really good but they looked old lowkey

noble nexus
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when you have so many pieces that all play different styles that's more than a player issue

plush grail
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nah nyxl had some inside fuckery

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sbb had to play ashe over nenne a few times

trail perch
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I think it was because by introducing a new player into their roster(hotba) who did nothing but feed thanks to awful coaching(IMT) and some poor roster decidions like playing hotba over bianca(IMT)

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All they needed was to give bianca the spot

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and replace IMT

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Boom second best team in APAC

noble nexus
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idk man hotba was quite good the previous season if I recall

trail perch
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He was the seoul reason NYXL was bad in game(Pun intended)

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He fed

noble nexus
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I just feel like the coaches never tried to coach them into a single playstyle and had like 4 different playstyles on the starting 6

trail perch
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He didnt support his team

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and most of all he just didnt peel for jjonak

noble nexus
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dude jjonak turbofed on anything other than ana and zen

next mesa
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jjonak bap and moira sucks

trail perch
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His playstyle didnt change at all since s1

noble nexus
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I don't think that's something that hotba should be blamed for

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the game has changed since s1

trail perch
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He played the same when he got MVP

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He played the same last year

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The only difference is that Meko knew how to play around him

noble nexus
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he only played his best hero for most of last year

trail perch
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Now that they build a roster around him, he will play the same way, and this time get praise

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The only reason people keep talking about him feeding is because they didnt do well

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its the same as Sado s2

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Look at him now

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With a team that supports him

next mesa
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that's actually a bit factual

hot heart
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Paris is making announcements tonight everyone!

Whatever happens and whoever is announced, please stay respectful and kind towards each other, and get ready to welcome the new Paris Roster!

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Dear lord

next mesa
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really

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pog

hot heart
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Avalla is a fucking goddess

next mesa
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mayhem on friday I think

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😍

hot heart
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I swear dude how can you get a whole ass roster with decent players in like a month

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Or less than probably

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Sad

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I feel like

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Benbest was the way to go for paris

weak bolt
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Naga to Paris

hot heart
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God

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Naga Onigod dps line

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Pretty good

raw ermine
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damn

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solid start

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does that mean that leak is correct?

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well

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not fully

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but it's worrying

weak bolt
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I expect the leak to be pretty close

raw ermine
next mesa
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naga is actually really good

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lmao general manager

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more like ceo

plush grail
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DAANS

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DAANS

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DAANS

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also idk about yall but if we I ever get the chance

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im voting avalla for coach of the year

hot heart
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How good is daan

raw ermine
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or you know the meme

hot heart
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Lmao

fringe thicket
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Finally my French lessons pay off

hot heart
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Ez

next mesa
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I speak french yes

raw ermine
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wait

fringe thicket
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Now I can understand 1/4 of a meme poggers

raw ermine
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do you think avalla was announcing her own re-signing?

hot heart
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Wasnt avalla a co-gm

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And she just now got promoted to full on GM

limber pine
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assistant coach and assistant GM

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I think

hot heart
#

Oh didnt know she was an assistant coach

#

Cool

silk frost
#

Holy shit who called that Paris would pick up Obey

raw ermine
#

not all of them

#

but a bunch of them

earnest leaf
#

avalla is paris eternal

#

she will play all 6 roles

hot heart
#

Yes

#

The Avalla Eternal

worn falcon
#

the Pain Eternal

hot heart
#

Pain

#

The Pain-is eternal

cobalt spoke
cedar oasis
#

Wait

#

Where is soon

next mesa
#

soon re-sign to paris

#

bruh

#

cmon

earnest leaf
cedar oasis
#

Onigod

earnest leaf
#

i've heard naga is good

#

and oni god is solid

cedar oasis
#

Paris looking not bad

worn falcon
#

Paris looking sad

hot heart
#

Nah

earnest leaf
#

Also avalla alludes to onigod picking to join paris over other teams

hot heart
#

I like paris rn

#

Yeah

#

So onigod believes in paris' roster/descions

worn falcon
#

sad for benbest

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

Benbest Ellivote Onigod Naga

#

I think that would be much better

cedar oasis
#

Why hasent a owl team signed benbest

#

He was top 10 this season

trail perch
#

He was a top 5 rein def

worn falcon
#

They need orisa

trail perch
#

He needs a spot in owl

#

He played a good orisa

worn falcon
#

and chimp

cedar oasis
#

He was like 7th overall

hot heart
#

Monke

trail perch
#

his monkey wasnt the best

#

but thats smth that you can work on

worn falcon
#

was decent rein, decent orisa

#

bad monke

trail perch
#

Really good rein

#

High mid tier orisa

#

Low tier monkey

#

His rein challenged super alot

worn falcon
#

and at least not nosmite level chimp

trail perch
#

Monkey is a character that you can work on

#

He basically has the same skillset as super

#

except a better orisa

noble nexus
#

and a worse genji

weak bolt
#

Benbest's rein wasn't at the same level as Super. He barely played it last year

noble nexus
#

l0l

weak bolt
#

His best hero was Orisa by far

noble nexus
#

yeah super is the best rein in owl comfortably imo

trail perch
#

I wouldnt say that

#

Sado, fearless, Mano

weak bolt
#

Sado's rein really isn't that good

trail perch
#

I disagree

weak bolt
#

Sado's best hero by far is Winston, his Rein is meh overall

noble nexus
#

sado has a decent rein

hot heart
#

They all have great reins but super is just in another tier

worn falcon
#

We didn't had much rein this year

#

mostly orisa/monke

#

Rein/Dva if i remember

trail perch
#

Thats only because super only plays rein, and we basically only see it on kings row

hot heart
trail perch
#

So ofc you would think his rein is better

cedar oasis
#

What about cloudy

trail perch
#

Lol

weak bolt
#

Benbest is an ok MT. His improvement last season was the biggest factor in him deserving a team honestly.

hot heart
#

Cloudy is okay

#

No

weak bolt
#

But teams likely prefer to just take a chance on someone new who performed better in trials

hot heart
#

I think benbest is good

#

But yeah

#

He might've hit his peak

#

So

cedar oasis
#

Benbest was above average this season

hot heart
#

Other players have higher ceilings maybe

#

But even then

worn falcon
#

or like avast said some players think they worth more than that

noble nexus
#

he was above average this season but he peaked this season

weak bolt
#

Considering Benbest would probably only be available for teams paying the 50k min, it's probably a more worthwhile risk to sign an upcoming talent and hope they're better

worn falcon
#

so no hiring

hot heart
#

Benbest is consistently good

noble nexus
#

teams know his worth now

weak bolt
#

Benbest might have also overvalued himself honestly. Maybe he wouldnt take a 50k salary

tawdry hamlet
#

yay I got to post one

worn falcon
#

their impact in the tournies yeah, and putting old paris in top 5 team

#

we dont see many MT POV tbh

sullen crane
#

guys genji is pog am I right?

next mesa
#

rein?

#

so it goes

#

super fearless sado mano

weak bolt
#

Paris follow Txao on Twitter, did he play for their academy team at any stage?

#

ah yep he did, was thinking they might of signed him but thats probably why

next mesa
#

neptuno interesting

noble nexus
#

yooo

#

nice

weak bolt
#

Neptuno brings good leadership and experience

noble nexus
#

^

weak bolt
#

and you know he's reliable for your MS role

cloud latch
#

and a great battle mercy 👍

noble nexus
#

I like the neptuno signing if they're wanting to get some fresh talent for the other roles

weak bolt
#

I wonder if Avalla had to make all these intro videos herself too

tawdry hamlet
#

yay I got to post another

#

woohoo

weak bolt
#

Does it really count if this channel got it first? 😄

tawdry hamlet
#

🥺 sadgery2

worn falcon
#

Neptuno

#

huuuuuh

#

not bad

#

Paris mid tier team i guess

#

like 2020 Glads

weak bolt
#

I'd say top of the bottom tier so far

#

Not sure they'll be as good as Mayhem, Toronto etc. But they should be ahead of Boston/Titans/LAV

raw ermine
#

ok

#

I guess thats it

#

the leaks are true

limber pine
#

LAV has pretty much the same team as before

#

insert Adam for McGravy

cedar oasis
#

Boston is still bad

next mesa
#

no ksf tho

weak bolt
#

No Gig either to dominate on Rein

limber pine
#

I think they can find a player to the quality of KSF

#

Shax played a lot anyway

#

I don't think you'll see a noticeable difference in LAV

tawdry hamlet
#

Boston has wgs pheonix dps and myun and an ex shanghai main tank

#

their stonks have definitely improved

limber pine
#

Boston has what is probably their best coach since Crusty in Season 1

weak bolt
#

LAV kind of heavily relied on tracer being good last season, Shax hard caried quite a few games. If Tracer isn't meta much, they'll suffer

#

Until Huk actually signs the contracts for those WGS players, I lack Faith (As do Boston)

raw ermine
#

LAV need another dps

karmic grotto
#

nice

#

Paris won't suck

weak bolt
#

LAV pick up Libero and It'd be awesome 😄

karmic grotto
#

lmao Titans

#

LOL

raw ermine
#

some teams have to suck at the end of the day

#

naga and onigod are excelletn

karmic grotto
#

I wanted naga to be in owl

#

dude is cracked

raw ermine
#

but I feel this EU roster lacks in comparison to others

#

He is cracked

karmic grotto
#

sadly for vizility

#

:(

raw ermine
#

:(

silk frost
#

papa neptuno is back

#

maybe Paris isn't that bad

#

can we promote Avalla to head of Overwatch now please

raw ermine
#

I feel it will be a highly self coached team

karmic grotto
#

T OMEGALUL ITANS

edgy tinsel
#

still confused

#

how they lost in r2 of qualifiers

#

for kr gaunlet

#

like ik changsik is bad now but still

weak bolt
#

Were they playing a stacked team?

edgy tinsel
raw ermine
#

Avalla for league comissioner

#

They are all mediocre players

#

Lmao they lost to someone named pausechamp

weak bolt
#

I guess Korea is just so stacked that random team of people can pop off

edgy tinsel
#

like that LFT squad isnt even bad

#

besides changsik

weak bolt
#

It's not gonna do any of those players any favours for finding a team...

edgy tinsel
#

oh yeah pines team also lost in round 2 of that qualifer

#

Pine, Snake, D3CAL
Belosrea, Xepher
Dotori, Ref, Papadog

weak bolt
#

the skill level in those qualifiers is probably so high in comparison to NA/EU

edgy tinsel
#

lost to these

Spera
Vulture
LULB
Aphrodi
LeGo
ARONG
PaeSeul

cedar oasis
#

Xepher

edgy tinsel
#

yes

#

scrim god himself

tropic herald
#

Paris got naga Pog

tidal ridge
#

paris eternal not looking horrible

weak bolt
#

Wonder whos coaching them, it was the leaked coach who denied the rumours

tropic herald
torn fossil
#

Is paris coming back now??

#

And some tanks

tropic herald
#

Considering all the talent out there in EU

#

These are excellent pickups

#

And if this is all budget Avalla really popped off

torn fossil
#

Question

#

Who owns fusion?

raw ermine
#

comcast

torn fossil
#

Bruh

tropic herald
#

Helv to Paris pauseU

torn fossil
#

Ofc comcast would own one of the best teams in the league

weak bolt
#

Just like Comcast, they always fail right when you need them to be good

hot heart
#

That ratio was unwarranted

torn fossil
#

Lmao

weak bolt
#

😄

next mesa
#

its a little bitch

earnest leaf
#

Shitty american ISP

edgy tinsel
#

i wanted spitfire to get shockwave, then ksf, then onigod

#

😦

tropic herald
raw ermine
#

noice

tropic herald
raw ermine
#

oh

#

my

#

god

#

Agilities returns

#

thank fucking god halo didn't leak this

#

cause this is worth the reveal

next mesa
#

lol

karmic grotto
#

Daan?

#

Dutch Daans?

#

Huh

tropic herald
#

Yes

#

Daan is Daans

lime snow
#

I'm still hyped by Paris
Home they'll pop off

solar bison
#

Agilities is back

karmic grotto
#

Dutch bois back in the game

worn falcon
#

Kaan and Daan

#

And Abilities

tawdry hamlet
#

asdkasdfhjsdfhjdfa

#

ahhhhh

#

Agilities found a spot

#

yayayay

#

Mr. Giardi welcome back

trail perch
#

AGILLITIES!!!

#

BACK ON LAVVV!!!!!

#

Now they just need to resign everyone from immortals

#

especially kariv

raw ermine
#

yeah good luck with that

#

verbo is FA

#

:P

hot heart
#

AYYY THE MAIN MAN AGILITIES IS BACK

#

Back

#

Back again

vagrant jacinth
#

Holy fuck

#

Oh my god

#

He's fucking back!!

torn fossil
#

2021 is gonna be the best season of owl ever

worn falcon
#

Agilities > KSF

hot heart
#

Yeah

#

His genji alone puts him above KSF

#

But his pharah is also good

vagrant jacinth
#

Fax

plush grail
#

Any fellow dutch people here who don't know shit about Daans but are just happy to see a dutch player in owl

raw ermine
#

why do we mention pharah so much in determining if a projectile is good?

edgy tinsel
#

most good projectiles have a good pharah tbf

raw ermine
#

she is highly situation and irrelevant

edgy tinsel
#

agilities has a very good one

weak bolt
#

Agilities to LAV is amazing, apart from he doesnt have Kariv for Gamer Snacks 😦

worn falcon
#

Ellivote is back

#

and thats all for Paris

karmic grotto
#

Ellivote is back

worn falcon
#

Onigod, Kaan, Daan, Ellivote, Naga, Neptuno

karmic grotto
#

Nice

#

Budget roster go brrr

raw ermine
#

expecting tsuna

karmic grotto
#

Inb4 they sign Kabaji lol

plush grail
#

Did anyone expect neptuno

karmic grotto
#

No

plush grail
#

Wasn't he pretty good

worn falcon
#

inb4 paris gets Stratus

lime snow
#

If you wanna know more about it, Avalla is talking about "bazaroide" : it's a little talk show on twitch by the French streamer Zaroide, and he will speak English for the interview.... Follow him if you want to know more about her decisions ^^

hot heart
#

SILKTHREAD

#

Jesus when i saw this post it gave me so many flashbacks of s1 OWL

next mesa
#

who

#

I forgot

plush light
#

Kick @next mesa from this thread for forgetting about silkthread

trail perch
#

How can you forget

#

He played zarya in the great bamboozle

next mesa
#

oops

#

ohh

#

I see

trail perch
#

and thats the only reason I know him

next mesa
#

LOL

trail perch
#

bc his gameplay wasnt the best anywhere else

plush light
#

He was the valiant dps that went to the glads and was supposed to go the chungdu but retired

trail perch
#

hydration is king

#

oh wait was the the pepe guy?

#

who was fined for retweeting pepe the frog

#

or was that someone else

plush light
#

Silkthread was good and really flexible, he would have rounded out chungdu in season 2 really nicely

lime snow
karmic grotto
#

Holy

#

Fucking

#

Shit

#

Silkthread is back?

#

Nvm

#

Only for winter thing

#

Sad

worn falcon
#

Bischu, my man

tidal ridge
#

WTF

#

WHATS WITH ALL THE ANNOUNCEMENTS TODAYY

#

just eternal and valiant but damn

tropic herald
#

Eternal did a roster reveal today

tidal ridge
#

daan and kaan

#

dynamic duo

#

ye and agilities back to VAL

drowsy holly
#

Question

#

What teams are top 5 in NA right now

tropic herald
#

That’s hard to say given that many rosters aren’t done being made

tidal ridge
#

Hard to tell

#

its safe to say Shock, Fusion, Washington, Gladiators, and Dallas will do fine though

drowsy holly
#

i think most of the top rosters have been revealed

#

i agree

tidal ridge
#

maybe even Houston and Valiant

drowsy holly
#

dont forget florida

tidal ridge
#

oh right

#

and even toronto if the rookies do well

#

NA is stacked

drowsy holly
#

depending on who their new players are

#

i knew

#

i feel sorry for houston

tidal ridge
#

whyy'

drowsy holly
#

i think they've upgrade but NA is so good that they'll probably not do much better

tidal ridge
#

they only lost nero, and they got KSF

#

piggy and jjanggu impressed in talon

drowsy holly
#

fair enough

#

forgetting their coaches as well

earnest leaf
#

How long till we get the apac circle jerk tho

drowsy holly
#

apac looks competitive with each other but im not sure how they'll compare to NA

edgy tinsel
#

levy forgot about silkthread:(

next mesa
#

I wasn't paying much attention in season 1 man

edgy tinsel
#

sadge

tropic herald
hot heart
earnest leaf
#

Hopefully NA top 6 is full of actually good teams

#

And not shock/philly then the shitters

#

MY guess is it will be shock/philly/glads top 3 in no order

tropic herald
#

Now that Mano is on Philly I guess I have to root for Philly pain

earnest leaf
#

but who will be the turbo shitters of next season

#

Boston looks actually not half bad

#

Paris's roster isn't that bad either

raw ermine
#

turbo shitter

#

lmao

#

I doubt we will have one

#

it'll be a good team

#

against even better teams

earnest leaf
#

inb4 it's dallas

drowsy holly
#

Vancouver maybe

next mesa
#

titans

edgy tinsel
#

why ppl still think philly top 3

next mesa
#

for sure

edgy tinsel
#

i think top 5

tropic herald
#

The thing is Boston roster doesn’t look bad but it’s all relative

edgy tinsel
#

not top 3

drowsy holly
#

they dont look great

tropic herald
#

I think Houston and Titans are guaranteed to be bad

edgy tinsel
#

philly does not even come close to the likes of shock and maybe glads

tropic herald
#

But others have chances to not be bad

earnest leaf
#

Philly retained a solid core and replaced pieces with equal ones

drowsy holly
#

philly have probably the best support duo in the league

edgy tinsel
#

thats it tho

drowsy holly
#

at least top 3

edgy tinsel
#

their dps and tank are significantly weaker

earnest leaf
#

Poko did pretty well last season, mano is still thicc

#

Carpe is carpe and shockwave is good

#

their supp line is still nutty

edgy tinsel
#

yes but
ivy heesu carpe eqo > shockwave carpe eqo

drowsy holly
#

and ninek is great

lime snow
#

🙏

edgy tinsel
#

sado fury poko > mano poko

drowsy holly
#

to be fair im not a huge fan of only having eqo

earnest leaf
#

Plus they could still sign more people

#

Jjanu to philly ez

drowsy holly
#

he was good in genji meta

edgy tinsel
#

if that happened id rate philly higher

drowsy holly
#

and a bit of echo

sullen berry
#

There should be one more signing

edgy tinsel
#

but poko mano doesnt sit well w me

sullen berry
#

They announced their 6 players for Paris today

tropic herald
#

Philly are supposed to get GaeBullSsi

#

Unless that fell through

drowsy holly
#

what do they play?

edgy tinsel
#

who is that lmao

earnest leaf
#

OT player I think?

tropic herald
#

WGS OT

#

Really good

sullen berry
#

Gbs is up in the air

edgy tinsel
#

better than FAs like QoQ jjanu?

#

have not watched much KR contenders at all

tropic herald
#

IMO yea

drowsy holly
#

reuniting mano with meko would be nice

edgy tinsel
#

nah

#

that should stay in the past

drowsy holly
#

not saying it would win them the league

edgy tinsel
#

just like when fury was rumoured to seoul

#

i said the same thing

tropic herald
#

Thinking about how Fury Mano was almost a real tankline

drowsy holly
#

do seoul still need an OT?

edgy tinsel
#

thinking about how we almost got Mano Meko and Fury Gesture again :/

#

that would be a nono

tropic herald
#

Seoul probably getting ToYou

edgy tinsel
#

kalios deserves OWL again

#

hes been really good on o2

drowsy holly
#

i really want them to play marvel on main tank

#

gesture can still play on heroes hes really good on though

edgy tinsel
#

eh

#

hes the most inconsistent MT in owl

tropic herald
#

Only bc he has super high peaks

#

Gesture on da hog

#

Getting sneakers

edgy tinsel
#

and super low lows

#

for example ^ rein

#

his sig in s2 playoffs ^

sullen berry
#

Yakpung was looking better on O2 too

edgy tinsel
#

neko was really good on o2

sullen berry
#

Idk how that would translate on a fresh roster in NYXL

edgy tinsel
#

shame gzc only got him as a coach 😦

tropic herald
#

Maybe NY gets Yakpung and Kalios

#

Along with Bianca

sullen berry
hot heart
#

im more excited for NYXL than i have been for 2 seasons

drowsy holly
#

i wonder when they'll reveal their roster

#

i dont know whos actually confirmed on their team

edgy tinsel
#

BH has earned more money than 8 OWL teams lol

edgy tinsel
tropic herald
#

NY probably won’t reveal their roster until they have the full thing

drowsy holly
#

thats what ive heard yeah

tropic herald
#

So far leaks have been

edgy tinsel
#

take a guess at what 8 owl teams have earned less money than BH

tawdry hamlet
#

Chengdu

tropic herald
#

Yakpung Feather Gwangboong and someone else’s

tawdry hamlet
#

Has only made 15k

tropic herald
#

Idr who

edgy tinsel
#

florida, boston, chengdu, toronto, houston, dallas, washington, charge

tawdry hamlet
#

Depressing

tropic herald
#

Keep forgetting that charge have only been good for one season

next mesa
#

I thought someone said they dropped toyou

#

Well if jjanu is struggling to find a team

#

That means seoul found someone better?

raw ermine
#

they supposedly liked toyou

tawdry hamlet
#

Is piggy really one of the worst talon players?

#

Someone suggested that but I thought he was like really good

#

Or is talon stacked?

sullen berry
#

Not really known for being stacked

#

Talon just looked very good at different points, more recently they aren't exactly overrated but they have potential and their game sense is overall pretty good

tawdry hamlet
#

Fair enough, I saw people saying piggy was almost guranteed a contract but I wasn't sure if that meant he was very good or not lol

#

Basically just seen mixed things lol

#

Ah this

tidal ridge
#

bruh

next mesa
#

Really

#

Interesting

#

Tanknline being bad

silk frost
#

why did Valiant pick Agilities back up btw

earnest leaf
#

for a silly hero specialist

edgy tinsel
#

talon was one of teams i payed attention to in kr

#

because i was interested to see them in kr after dominating pacific

silk frost
#

I heard the piggy stonks were massive

#

all the credit in the world to Avalla

tidal ridge
#

why was kyky an assistant coach on paris in s2

raw ermine
#

we don't know

#

he just

#

was

tidal ridge
#

we just have to trust him

silk frost
#

um

#

waht

hidden vault
#

Look where got them

#

Lol

tawdry hamlet
#

Oops wrong channel moment

sullen berry
#

That's not very poggy poggy of you

tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
#

Let's hope Noah Winston takes Agilities to Panda Express or Korean BBQ instead LosAngelesValiant

silk frost
next mesa
#

Well

#

Better than titans

#

Might be better than boston

hidden vault
#

neptuno surviving well

earnest leaf
#

lol

hidden vault
#

no french players I see

earnest leaf
#

everyone on that team is from a different country

hidden vault
#

that's good?

earnest leaf
#

oh just don't think i've seen it before

hidden vault
#

but inherently they are all "EU"

lime snow
#

Not as bad as I expected so..

tidal ridge
#

denmark, norway, sweden, netherlands, spain, germany

#

colorful team

#

they could get a second hitscan

stuck radish
#

sign chipsa

#

flex dps player

hidden vault
#

the doomfist guy?

silk frost
#

Y'all gotta listen to me when I say Boston will be goof

#

Good

cobalt spoke
#

I dont think they'll be good

#

Just not worst

#

Like titans

tidal ridge
#

titans org deserves it

silk frost
#

Holy FUCK its happening

#

Element mystic has a female player?!

hidden vault
#

who is EM's female player?