levy doesnt know shit
#esports-discussion
trail perch
noble nexus
I vibe with Levy’s list
next mesa
Cr0ng is a sigma one trick
raw ermine
I put him there
trail perch
Nooo
raw ermine
then someone got mad at me
trail perch
Did you watch him in contenders
noble nexus
We aren’t putting contenders players on the list
karmic grotto
Everybody watch out SigmaPresent is going to defend crong
noble nexus
So why do we care about contenders performances
trail perch
Cr0ng is def S
karmic grotto
@noble nexus Some contenders are better than owl players
inland flare
No way
trail perch
because he didnt need to play other heros this season
inland flare
Noooooo way
raw ermine
Ok vote on crong
👍 means he is S tier
👎 Means he is A tier
silk frost
S: Void Choi Xepher
A: Fury Cr0ng Hanbin Gargoyle Space
B: Poko Punk Meko Hotba
trail perch
Xepher S+
noble nexus
Xepher is in his own tier big man
weak bolt
Seagull dva > all
silk frost
B has Jjanu too
karmic grotto
47k?
trail perch
And zarya
silk frost
From tendies
trail perch
and Hanzo
silk frost
Yeah and h... HANZO?!
noble nexus
I mean how much has he played it in owl tho
trail perch
S3 was all sigma all the time
silk frost
How much was APAC dva viable?
trail perch
You cant blame him for not playing much else
inland flare
Charge is still going to be good team as long as their tanks play same way or better
weak bolt
cr0ng is good, but imo hasnt proved himself on more than just Sigma to be deemed S tier
noble nexus
That’s my point
edgy tinsel
S: Void Choi (maybe fury)
A: Fury Hanbin Cr0ng Jjanu
B: Space Gargoyle err
Fury S
silk frost
I feel similarly about fury tbh
trail perch
Especially when the team itself only looked good on double shield
weak bolt
I dont rate Fury as top tier either, A or B at best
inland flare
Wasn't sigma like meta for too long
noble nexus
He’s insane on sigma but you wouldn’t consider marv1e a top OT because he’s good on sigma would you?
edgy tinsel
I dont rate Fury as top tier either, A or B at best
huh
silk frost
He's kinda just a REALLY good dva, a good sigma, and nothing else
edgy tinsel
he was top 3 for 3 years in a row
weak bolt
Meh, S2 he was ok in Goats, S3 he was ok on philly.
noble nexus
OT is omega stacked rn him not being in someone’s top 3 isn’t surprising
edgy tinsel
it kinda is
inland flare
I mean to be fair nobody don't play hog since he wasn't really meta
next mesa
he was ok?
edgy tinsel
who else could even compete for top 3
next mesa
nah nah nah nah
silk frost
I think he was top 3 2 years in a row, probably the best OT when it was just dva
inland flare
Zarya is ehhh
weak bolt
His dva is top 3, the others I think not so much
noble nexus
Fury is a nutcase but he’s like almost S imo
inland flare
No Fury is top 3 OT in the league
edgy tinsel
always has been
inland flare
always will be
noble nexus
If he is he’s barely top 3 rn
edgy tinsel
???
edgy tinsel
there's literally nobody else even in contention
weak bolt
He's not at the same level as Choi/Void any more
silk frost
I think Choi is just 5% better at every OT
inland flare
Choi, Void, Fury, Crong is the four horsemen of the Off-tank in the OWL
edgy tinsel
there is nobody in contention for top 3 besdies choi void fury
silk frost
I mean hitscan is stacked
noble nexus
I think hitscan is stacked over fewer players tho
cedar oasis
Marvel
next mesa
hitscan is pretty stacked
next mesa
I like Void and Choi more
yeah exactly
noble nexus
Like OT and FS have a fuck ton of good players
inland flare
Off-tank is the most stack role tbh
Even bottom tier teams as off tanks that are good
edgy tinsel
Season 1: Fury best OT
Season 2: Choi, Fury
Season 3: Choi, Void, Fury
noble nexus
Choi is only not top tier on zarya tbh
weak bolt
Why do you rate Fury so high for S3? He didn't do much really. He split time with Poko for half the season
inland flare
WTF philly needs both of them anyway
edgy tinsel
fury and poko changed on what dps they were utilising
noble nexus
Well they lost Fury so idk about that
inland flare
I mean poko is good
inland flare
For starter
weak bolt
Still losing 1/3 of the season to another OT makes it hard to justify top 3. Especially when they play the exact same heroes
edgy tinsel
Poko is consistently good
fury is consistently better
tidal ridge
punk is the 3rd best western ot
noble nexus
And he lost 1/3 of playtime to poko
inland flare
Rumors said GBS is going to the glads.
edgy tinsel
fury and poko changed on what dps they were utilising
.
inland flare
Space is still under a contract
noble nexus
Void and Choi never lost playtime to another OT
edgy tinsel
Well choi didnt have another OT to lose playtime to
silk frost
GBS to glad?
cedar oasis
Did shock or dragons have another ot?
weak bolt
Void and Choi also got kept by their teams
edgy tinsel
and void had geguri
silk frost
I would have preferred a backup MT
noble nexus
They don’t need other OTs
next mesa
geguri played like 1 match doe lmfaooo
edgy tinsel
geguri played like 1 match doe lmfaooo
exactly so tbh neither had actually worry of losing playtime on their team
both fury and poko were good
they changed based on what dps played
weak bolt
Why does the dps playing matter for an OT if you're top 3? Surely that just shows a weakness if you have to swap your OT for some dps
noble nexus
If he loses playtime to a B tier OT then he can’t be top 3
silk frost
I mean Poko is also very good let's get this straight
edgy tinsel
Well no, because fury and poko have different playstyles
They played poko more with ivy and played fury more with everyone else
silk frost
He might be A tier
noble nexus
Yeah he’s good but nowhere near top 3
noble nexus
If fury is top 3 he shouldn’t lose playtime to a worse OT
silk frost
Okay both have been Proven on Dva too
edgy tinsel
fury by far has a better dva
weak bolt
Fury is a better dva, but Crong/Hanbin both have an arguably better sigma
edgy tinsel
and fury has better hog and zarya
edgy tinsel
better zarya than hanbin
silk frost
Fury's a really bad zarya
weak bolt
We've not seen enough zarya/hog for that to be considered tbh
silk frost
He wasn't even that good in season one
edgy tinsel
Fury's a really bad zarya
???
cedar oasis
Crong has a good dva
weak bolt
Fury/Poko also did both get stomped in grand finals, in a 2x OT meta
edgy tinsel
Fury/Poko also did both get stomped in grand finals, in a 2x OT meta
and the only OTs there were choi and void
only other
cedar oasis
Marvel
silk frost
And Marve1 technically
weak bolt
Yeah because Void/Choi are both far more superior they dont need backups for them
edgy tinsel
Well no Marve1 isnt an OT he was just forced onto it
silk frost
And Marve1 is a solidly better Sigma than Fury imo
inland flare
You can't say they're not top 3 OT just because they got benched by a OT that you think they are worst. Kinda brain dead if you think about it.
weak bolt
Agreed, Marve1 beats Fury on Sigma
edgy tinsel
sig was the only thing marve1 looked semi competent on
weak bolt
Because he's a main tank usually, he's not going to look good on dva/zarya
hot heart
Marve1 was insand on Sig
edgy tinsel
so now ur literally using my points of the fact hes not an OT?
so ur agreeing with me?
silk frost
Let's have this conversation
weak bolt
I never said he was an OT, I just said that he is a better sigma than Fury
inland flare
Seoul has bad coaches tbh, not even going to use Michelle
silk frost
If you put Marve1 on the outlaws as an off tank to replace Mek0 in season 3, would he be equal to the team on Dva or Zarua?
silk frost
I think his dva was competent by the end of his stint
Not good by any means, but better than some OWL players
inland flare
Wasn't one of the seoul coaches used to be head coach of NYXL
edgy tinsel
wizard?
edgy tinsel
yea
inland flare
WTF happened to him
edgy tinsel
i mean tbf he hasn't been a good coach for a while
cedar oasis
Season 1
edgy tinsel
Season 1 stage 1-3 he was good
inland flare
Idek what is happening behind the scenes in the dynasty
edgy tinsel
he was never head coach btw just regularly coach
karmic grotto
Any game that will come out in 2021/2022 and is e-sports ready?
silk frost
He head coached NYXL
silk frost
No pavane coached london
edgy tinsel
Pavane was HC for season 1 2
cedar oasis
What about season 2
silk frost
Pavane coached NYXL in season 2
edgy tinsel
and 1
silk frost
It was WH season 1
edgy tinsel
im looking on liquipedia rn
silk frost
No
edgy tinsel
im literally on liquipedia rn
silk frost
I remember clearly thinking "wow Pavane is probably a head coach upgrade over WH"
edgy tinsel
Pavane was HC S 1+2
Wizard was Coach S1, HC of Justice S2
inland flare
No grim is right
edgy tinsel
How many OW players have moved to Val now?
cedar oasis
The real question is who looks better poko or benbest
balmy wolf
why is simga even dutch ?!
weak bolt
Lets settle that by having them wrestle in jelly
cedar oasis
Sbb is n1
edgy tinsel
Munchkin, Bazzi, Zunba, Bunny, Sinatraa, Corey, Rawkus, Babybay, Zacharee, Unkoe, Taimou
Who else?
silk frost
Poko
cedar oasis
Who is 2nd
silk frost
Saya
silk frost
Sp1der
weak bolt
Honestly though, the majority of the OW players who left were washed anyway
cedar oasis
Did pine?
edgy tinsel
no
tidal ridge
akm was supposed to go
weak bolt
akm/unkoe/trill were rumoured to a Rogue val team, dunno if it happened
edgy tinsel
nothing as of yet
silk frost
Did Boostio go to Val?
edgy tinsel
whos that
silk frost
Lower tier contenders player, I thought I heard about him going over to Valorant
cedar oasis
Didnt asking
silk frost
Yeah Asking is still around
weak bolt
Honestly you look at the Valorant rosters, and barely an OW players at all. Faze probably has like 1/2 of them
edgy tinsel
FaZe has 4
tidal ridge
im surprised gig, mcgravy, and apply havent gone to valorant yet
edgy tinsel
there are 4 in korea
cedar oasis
I think shadowburn went to valorant
edgy tinsel
yes he did
silk frost
Apply should go to Valorant tbh
tidal ridge
thats what i was thinking
edgy tinsel
suprised snillo hasn't
silk frost
No offense to the guy but I don't think he has a future in OW
Snillo hasn't because he's in the forest, he's taking care of Fragi's home
weak bolt
It was only really Sinatraa/Corey/Babybay that were a loss to OW imo. The rest of them were pretty much washed/retiring anyway
silk frost
Alongside Diya and Pine
tidal ridge
what bout rawkus
weak bolt
Rawkus was on the way out, and Saya hadn't played for like a year
tidal ridge
idk i thought he was better than dogman still
weak bolt
Better than Dogman is like saying a tank is better than Roar
plush grail
imagine how cracked pine could be if he got coached properly
tidal ridge
@weak bolt true, but there's literally no other american/western FS
you have dogman and crimzo
weak bolt
yeah FS is a pointless role outside of Korea
cedar oasis
Dog man is trash
silk frost
Roolf and Ripa are both solid
tidal ridge
world cup
edgy tinsel
Pavane is a coach for val now
silk frost
I think he is
next mesa
oops caps
weak bolt
Ripa looks like he has potential, but lets see him OWL. Roolf I'm confused at
next mesa
okay
tidal ridge
wasnt he good in the earlier world cups?
silk frost
I think Roolf is a decent player
edgy tinsel
worst support line in owl
weak bolt
For NA standards he's good
next mesa
for OWL standards he's not
silk frost
Dude Carcar is why they were the worst support line
next mesa
don't really matter NA
edgy tinsel
roolf was also bad
weak bolt
Roolf has this season to prove himself really. Kinda hard to judge off last year
weak bolt
Shredlock hyper feeding, Carcar AFK respawning etc
silk frost
Which isn't that hard
edgy tinsel
he was bottom 3
plush grail
JHONG ISN'T FINDING A TEAm
true hound
😭
edgy tinsel
jhong should retire
weak bolt
Jhong is old news now, he's been replaced by the young whippersnappers
edgy tinsel
philly should get meko
plush grail
mano meko would suck
edgy tinsel
boston should get jjanu
silk frost
Rawkus, Dogman, Highly (debatably?), Kodak are probably worse than Roolf
plush grail
no chemistry
edgy tinsel
highly is not worse than roolf
silk frost
I just rate him higher than I probably should ig
edgy tinsel
highly deserves another team
edgy tinsel
alot of that spitfire roster deserve a new team
silk frost
His zen aim is solid, is moira sense is good (this IS notable), and he's a shotcaller
edgy tinsel
they just need better coaching
next mesa
highly is so much better than roolf
weak bolt
Roolf is probably still on Titans because he's canadian
next mesa
his moira is probably
silk frost
And he's a shotcaller
next mesa
actually pretty top tier
edgy tinsel
like i think atlanta should get some ex spitfire players
tidal ridge
fuze maybe
silk frost
Yeah Highly was a stupid one
tidal ridge
jihun and jmac retired
silk frost
He's definitely above the bottom
edgy tinsel
SANGUINAR BETTER GET A FKING TEAM ISTG
silk frost
Sanguinar to seoul
weak bolt
Sanguinar I reckon mayhem
silk frost
Mayhem need an aggro MS imo
edgy tinsel
deserve another chance
next mesa
Although is in gauntlet rn
weak bolt
Mayhem reveal their roster soon right? Stream sometime
next mesa
if he pops maybe
silk frost
The 10th they reveal
tidal ridge
mayhem just sign every available former spitfire player in their announcement
edgy tinsel
id be ok w that
tidal ridge
including like fissure and birdring
edgy tinsel
no
weak bolt
Dont put the Spitfire players on ATL
They'll just suffer another season of weird coaching
edgy tinsel
who else can they go to
weak bolt
They'd probably be better off in contenders to prove themselves again, than rot on ATL
edgy tinsel
pavane as head coach was a bad pickup
weak bolt
Teams can pick up players a lot more frequently mid season this year. You can sign players on short contracts, and you can let your current players go almost instantly
silk frost
Bro Atlanta should pick up a better head coach
hot heart
Bro Atlanta should pick up a better head coach
Nah Sephys a god wdym
weak bolt
If a team with lots of $$$ has some shit players, they'll be packed out the door quick this year. If you're doing super good in Contenders, you'll be marketable
silk frost
He can't even scout imo
edgy tinsel
spitfire still haven't officially released fuze
tidal ridge
mf signed pelican and said "my job here is done"
edgy tinsel
he mustve got a team
inland flare
London would be good if they were in the NA region tbh
tidal ridge
also what happened with boink and mek0 on houston
weak bolt
Sephy has been a good coach in the past. Atlanta seemed a mess last year and I bet there was internal issues too
hot heart
Him and jjanu
edgy tinsel
ye
inland flare
No Houston releases them
edgy tinsel
No Houston releases them
they haven't been released yet
hot heart
Probably not
tidal ridge
i think jjanu asked for too much money and now cant find a team
weak bolt
There are like no teams left needing OTs
silk frost
Poor jjanu
weak bolt
Seoul are going to promote Toyou, NYXL getting Bianca back
edgy tinsel
Houston shouldve resigned meko instead of getting talon tanks
inland flare
Houston releases meko and boink. Outlaws are fuckind assholes to announce it
weak bolt
Talon tanks looked good imo. Taking a risk on them beats Mek0 I think
tidal ridge
GBS stonks
inland flare
They didn't announce muma release tbh
cedar oasis
Did hotba retire
silk frost
No
inland flare
No
weak bolt
Houston didn't give any announcements for players leaving I think
silk frost
Nope
tidal ridge
is hotba even good anymore
cedar oasis
No
tidal ridge
and is he LFT
inland flare
That's what I have been saying
silk frost
He's a good dva and zarya
tidal ridge
also jjanu and mek0 have one choice
silk frost
Needs work on sig
tidal ridge
boston uprising
weak bolt
Hotba was ok last season, but his sigma was lacking and that was the msot played OT
cedar oasis
Good?
tidal ridge
uprising should sign a korean OT though ngl
silk frost
DUDE BOSTON ARE GOOD NEXT YEAR IM SAYING
hot heart
Jjanu could probably go to like ATL
plush bridge
nah
tidal ridge
jjanu uprising
silk frost
2021 Boston stonks uprising
weak bolt
Jjanu ever played on a mixed roster?
inland flare
Stand1 can comm in eng
hot heart
Boston could be good
tidal ridge
2021 boston stonks
gilded dagger
Ya
gilded dagger
Leaks say Paris r gonna sign onigod and ellivote
tidal ridge
bruh didnt they just join a contenders team
gilded dagger
Rlly?
inland flare
They don't need a korea OT
hot heart
I think paris have a solid roster for what they had
weak bolt
Jjanu is probably asking for a bunch of money, Boston aren't going to do that
hot heart
Yeah
tidal ridge
mr. kraft is cheap
gilded dagger
Twitter
hot heart
Jjanu needs to understand there are better OTs
gilded dagger
Look
cedar oasis
Slime to Boston?
silk frost
Neptuno?
inland flare
Daans is actually good
next mesa
Naga
weak bolt
That Paris roster isn't that bad honestly
plush grail
PARIS DAANS
raw ermine
thats a decent EU roster
gilded dagger
Yes
raw ermine
naga is good
hot heart
Onigod
next mesa
Ellivote??? lmao
raw ermine
some good vet players
hot heart
Im very excited for
plush grail
also i really liked how halo wanted to not leak paris :(
silk frost
Paris still won't get out of the botton
raw ermine
Twitter
plush grail
this is kinda a bummer he did this
inland flare
Ellivote is good OT
tidal ridge
imagine getting rumored to getting signed somewhere and you actually haven't been
plush grail
daans is gonna fuck in owl
tidal ridge
that must be the funniest shit for you
true hound
ok
weak bolt
I mean they're still gonna be bad in comparison to most other teams
raw ermine
the coach that was supposedly leaked said its bs
weak bolt
But they aren't going to go 0-40 if that is the roster
inland flare
Ellivote wasn't even bad at the justice, he was the least problematic
tidal ridge
paris, london, and vancouver are all being shitty EU teams this year
paris being better out of the few though
weak bolt
dont tarnish EU with the Titans 😄
tidal ridge
has there been any london leaks
silk frost
London shitty??
tidal ridge
they might as well just replace everyone with EU contenders players and it'll be the same team @weak bolt
silk frost
London will be next year's atlanta
Beating up the babies, but worse than the bigger fish
tidal ridge
london stonks when shockwave gone 📉
gilded dagger
Ya
tidal ridge
atlanta definitely beat up some babies with that 3-0 from the titans
atlanta was an anomaly last year
gilded dagger
I mean fire frd dalton and linkzr doesn’t seem to bad
tidal ridge
got close to beating good teams but then next game got beat up by bad teams
tidal ridge
silk frost
DALTON IS GONNA HAVE ANOTHER FUCKING YEAR OF FLEX DPS
gilded dagger
silk frost
STOP TARNISHING THIS MAN
gilded dagger
O
silk frost
Faith is good
silk frost
Can you argue tho
plush light
Linkzr is a flex dps forced to play hitscan
inland flare
Paris could beat teams boston, houston, atlanta, london, vancouver, la valiant with that roster tbh.
gilded dagger
Twitter
weak bolt
Lori signing his players is a notable improvement over Huk picking players
silk frost
Linkzr's only projectile heroes are genji and hanzo
tidal ridge
i know
inland flare
Guys at this point we don't even know who is going to be bad and good at this point... this might toughest OWL season yet
Anything can happen at this point
gilded dagger
Who’s valentine? Idk
inland flare
DPS
tidal ridge
i bet some dark horse team that nobody here has mentioned like guangzhou will win
inland flare
Charge looks good
gilded dagger
Ya
inland flare
Idk anything could happen
plush light
Linkzr's only projectile heroes are genji and hanzo
Linkzr can play phara and anyone can play mei
inland flare
Tbh
silk frost
Boston top 10 next year
inland flare
If muze and mag perform great, they'll make their team top 5
silk frost
Been calling it since they resigned myungb0ng
tidal ridge
hot take, but boston top 20 next year
inland flare
Maybe top 10 lol
tidal ridge
every team top 20 this year
brave glen
i got a new team if anyones interested to join
silk frost
Wrong channel
plush grail
i got a new team if anyones interested to join
lol is this a scout for boston uprising
tidal ridge
#lf-players-na @brave glen
brave glen
lol is this a scout for boston uprising
yes
inland flare
Bad team
brave glen
has anyone realised why bitish ppl cant prunounce theirs ts
its because we dumped all of it
plush grail
Why cant british people win a single game
weak bolt
Roughly 3 hours time we'll start seeing more team announcements I think
silk frost
They did in 2018
weak bolt
Plat chat airs in 1 hour
plush grail
no we need to watch sideshow closely
cobalt spoke
Plat chat ends in 3
plush grail
he fuckin predicted glister to shock
cobalt spoke
Thats when things get announced
tidal ridge
i remember how mad sideshow got when he saw beast to toronto
weak bolt
Sideshow guessing that was like the old analogy of if you ahve enough monkeys at typewriters, eventually you'll get shakesphere
plush grail
sideshow does kinda look like a monkey
edgy tinsel
glister to shock was not too suprising imo
tidal ridge
if you have enough bald men thinking about a korean hitscan player, he might predict them to an orange team
plush grail
sideshow ooo oo
silk frost
Egg man right
plush grail
no
noble nexus
Haha funny egg man say things
noble nexus
He’s still got that potential in him he just gets too aggressive
jovial wagon
It feels like a mistake that NYXL lost saybeyoble
icy nest
Doesn’t shock have a new dps player
jovial wagon
Yep
noble nexus
Glister and Nero
jovial wagon
I miss Pine SOOO MUCH
icy nest
I see I didn’t know much about it thank you
noble nexus
Just for roster depth and flexibility after losing rascal really
Pine was a god gamer
jovial wagon
Yes
icy nest
Yeah rascal was insane
noble nexus
Rascal probably goes to philly tbh
jovial wagon
Pine was a god sniper before the meta
noble nexus
Them or glads
icy nest
What happened
jovial wagon
Now they dont win every game as they did
They lost Pine, cuz the meta changed and they lost many player
The undefeted became the averge
noble nexus
They were really good in s1 and into s2 they kinda just didn’t change anything and expected to be as good as they were the last season
jovial wagon
icy nest
Why would they not want pine tho
weak bolt
unbeatable, apart from when they lost
noble nexus
He left cuz of mental health reasons
icy nest
Very understandable
noble nexus
Also yeah if nyxl were unbeatable they wouldn’t have lost
icy nest
Is he ever coming back
jovial wagon
He maybe is
weak bolt
He's LFT, doesnt mean an OWL team will sign him
Pine that is, Rascal should get signed
noble nexus
If rascal doesn’t get signed it’s a war crime
next mesa
Rascal will get signed, if he wants to get signed lmao
icy nest
What happened to the other tracer player on shock
next mesa
There's no way he justdoesn't find a team
icy nest
Striker
noble nexus
Sinatraa?
next mesa
sinatraa went to valorant
weak bolt
He might have made enough from Shock past 2 years he's happy to move onto something new
tawdry hamlet
Ellivote is not that good right?
icy nest
He’s still on shock?
noble nexus
Strike is the best tracer hands down
next mesa
yea
icy nest
Oh good
noble nexus
So yeah they keep him
weak bolt
Ellivote was ok, he wasn't the issue with Justice imo
tawdry hamlet
Wish paris got ksaa I wanted him to find somewhere, he had potential on proper ping and coaching that wasn't titans
weak bolt
ksaa probably got fucked by visas
tawdry hamlet
Yeah
noble nexus
Dynasty have more than two good players??
noble nexus
They’re all stacked
jovial wagon
I meant new
noble nexus
He’s really dependable and sbb is a good captain
noble nexus
I don’t see sbb being played too much but he’s gonna be really good for the player’s mentals
Mek0?
jovial wagon
Ya
noble nexus
To Houston hell
jovial wagon
Lol
weak bolt
Sbb is probably basically a tracer 1 trick and a PR person
noble nexus
And now is lft afaik
solar bison
Sbb is like ark
next mesa
good ashe
solar bison
Not that good but still gets signed because of their attitude and pr
jovial wagon
Ya
weak bolt
His best hope of playing is probably if there is like a Genji/Tracer meta
jovial wagon
I like sbb just cuz pf his posetivity
next mesa
his ashe is good, but not better than profit and fits, sooooooo
weak bolt
yeah, he's only likely to play if its Tracer, and Profit is on the other dps
next mesa
profit and fits has no weakness
yeah
except in like genji tracer meta
or an echo meta
solar bison
What did they do in double hitscan?
next mesa
sbb cant play echo either
solar bison
Was profit on. Ashe
next mesa
profit on ashe
tawdry hamlet
Other than onigod the only thing I like about the leaked paris roster is that it looks better than titans lmaoo
next mesa
profit ashe is cracked
next mesa
profit cracked at everything so
jovial wagon
Zen is getting played in comp so i wonder if where gonna see any zen plays in owl
next mesa
yeah
apparently profit widow might be better than fits
but he needs to play something else
weak bolt
We have 5 months till OWL, meta is a total mystery
solar bison
Watch meta just be some stupid sym junk
weak bolt
For all we know, it could be on OW2 as well
next mesa
watch meta be like the 6 new heroes released
weak bolt
Meta could be the 5 new heroes + Orisa
weak bolt
OW2 + Tracer/Genji
jovial wagon
i think metas gonna become SYM TORB HAMOND ROAD ANNA AND BAPSTISET
next mesa
well we know sojourn is gonna be dps
jovial wagon
Lol jk
next mesa
yeah but it applies to
other heroes as well
As unlikely as it is, what if choi is kinda bad in the new ot
weak bolt
Brig or Orisa will be meta. One of them has to be otherwise who would OWL players moan about
solar bison
Unless devs just throw the ot role on its head
And changes something fundamental about the role
weak bolt
I'm not expecting major changes like that. If they were cutting to like 1-2-2 with 1 tank, you'd not see OWL teams signing full 2-2-2 style rosters
weak bolt
Maybe OW2 will be 2-3-2, and thats why Shock have 5 dps
next mesa
lmfao
solar bison
Shock big brain
next mesa
that would make dps oppressive ngl
hot heart
Crusty sees the future
weak bolt
Striker, ANS and Glister, triple hitscan meta
hot heart
Jesus
next mesa
ta1yo is hitscan too 
weak bolt
It'd solve dps queue times if every game needed 1 more dps
You'd have to heavily nerf all dps classes though or it'd be horrid
solar bison
What if soldier got reworked into a healer?
next mesa
can we not
weak bolt
Soldier is a healer, it's called baptiste
solar bison
And give lamp more health
weak bolt
Soldier should undergo some operation to become half omnic and gain super powers instead of being able to run
next mesa
just have peak lamp
weak bolt
Stop trying to nerf window. Make beams work through it instead
I want to be able to chuck it infront of a winston and him zap for shit tons of damage
weak bolt
2s primal builds
solar bison
What if monkey fists worked through window
weak bolt
and make the window into a shield as well
and then make the window same size as Sym ult
worn falcon
Twitter
solar bison
Makes sense
weak bolt
yep 1 season on a bad team can tarnish your rep for life
next mesa
like benbest
weak bolt
Although if you're good, you can look like a carry on a bad team. Bit like Danteh
worn falcon
weak bolt
yeah I reckon Jjanu had that play off run and overpriced himself off that
If justice had bombed out of playoffs in round 1, he'd had probably requested a lot less and stayed with the team
next mesa
doesn't feel like he would do that tho, and isnt contenders talent not necessarily cheaper because buyout
weak bolt
Probably
Contenders players may agree cheaper buyout clauses in their contracts vs OWL players too
plush grail
honestly im pretty sure sbb and anamo managed to find a team because they really lowballed themselves
worn falcon
But then there is libero, benbest, rascal, maybe soon
raw ermine
Ben should go to vancouver
noble nexus
Boston are rumoured to have a stacked dps line if they promote the wgs boys
raw ermine
they will be the best since striker and _________
tawdry hamlet
I still find it so dumb that ta1yo is so good despite changing his sense like every other week out of boredom
what a monster
true hound
changing sens wont affect your aim much if its not that big of a change
carpe, birdring, kevster, etc. etc. all do it
the first time you try usually the adjustment period is a lot longer
but if your aim is pretty good itll take ya like
5 minutes
tawdry hamlet
yeah yeah for sure, but I mean when you are a pro and you need to be consistent modifying your sense by a noticeable amount constantly can't be great for consistency when you are at the top level for aiming already
next mesa
yes
I hope crusty slaps some sens in him
haha see what I did there
ill see myself out 🏃♂️
cloud latch
haha...
tawdry hamlet
isn't ta1yo a hitscan and genji?
aren't ans and glister both better on hitscan too?
I can't think of any reason to play him this season either
noble nexus
ans is probably going to be their main hs and glister comes in for double sniper
but they're all gonna have their own dps heroes to play
since they all have decent flexibility
they were all high potential low risk players from Shock's pov I reckon
tawdry hamlet
yeah no reason not to take a upper mid hs if he is willing to go cheap to get on the squad
raw ermine
over for the offseason?
plush grail
yeah sideshow is quitting plat chat
inland flare
👀
plush grail
he's gonna become a monk
bren is gonna join shock as the widow specialist
and reinforce is gonna make bad power rankings
inland flare
Tbh every power rankings going to be wrong
Even if you have a good power ranking
Still wrong
Like in a BIG way
BBBBBBIIIIIIGGGG way
Teams are stacked this season
plush grail
wrong
teams like glads might have some good pickups
or nyxl who's fully rebuilding with 1 old player
there's 1 team that has ameng
and that team is chengdu
your season 4 overwatch league champions
inland flare
Lol k
silk frost
of course
torn fossil
Imagine realizing manos part of the fusion right after buying the excelsior rein skin
Couldnt be me
torn fossil
Im so mad rn
mortal abyss
That’s an oof
torn fossil
I guess ill have to buy a 3rd rein team skin then
silk frost
Sue the fusion
torn fossil
Im not gonna sue the team i (if i ever become good enough to go pro) want to be on the most
earnest leaf
Twitter
edgy tinsel
yeah, we are gonna be seeing glister more than i expected
next mesa
? what do you do ans?
wym
you flex ur big schlong and click heads that's what u do bb
hot heart
Im really worried for ANS
solar bison
Hope ANS stays well
torn fossil
Im really worried for ANS
Sorry if this sounds rude but why?
Aside from his depression stuff
karmic grotto
Well ok then, maybe he should retire until he becomes better
mortal abyss
*take a break
silk frost
he might not have the mind for OWL
raw ermine
similar to dafran
slow kraken
If ans does leave who would replace him
next mesa
they have glister now
edgy tinsel
? what do you do ans?
Twitter
sullen berry
Yeah he hating the offseason more than the regular season
When it comes to how he is handling it mentally it’s not looking too good
A hiatus is worth entertaining since he has enough dps to cover for him
edgy tinsel
no no
i think a hiatus would make it worse
as it looks like its the offseason causing it
OW may be his only escape
earnest leaf
he has
next mesa
remember when they won grand finals
and ans started to cry
and moth just irl peeled him from the camera man
moth best main support all time for sure for sure
stuck radish
did atlanta sign fran
next mesa
content creator
stuck radish
nice
next mesa
american tornado is just gonna 3-0 everyone? lmao
next mesa
No
tropic herald
Please this is #esports-discussion
cobalt spoke
Sure sure
next mesa
Bitch
cobalt spoke
noble nexus
Twitter
cloud latch
make
sullen berry
Make
plush grail
ans is just horny
noble nexus
the translation isn't doing him any favours tbf
plush grail
sullen berry
For those that missed it he said
Guys, I have to tell you something
I'M FOCCING HORNY
idle gorge
everyone knows that shock is just going to win again right
noble nexus
most likely yeah
idle gorge
with the team they have now they're looking so scary
but the have like 5 or 6 dps players wtf
noble nexus
there is also more teams that are actually good
noble nexus
they have the philly core
idle gorge
i don't understand why linkzr went to vancouver
vancouver is way below linkzr's league
noble nexus
I'm not sure anyone else would have picked him up
idle gorge
i like that shockwave went to philly i think he'll really fit in well and it's good for his career he's a really talented player
noble nexus
no one else needed a hs and the ones that did are far better than any team linkzr could be on
yeah shockwave was the only good player on vancouver this season
idle gorge
the games vancouver won got mainly carried by shockwave, and a bit of dalton and ksaa
and ksaa was playing on like 200 ping constantly
noble nexus
https://twitter.com/super_OW/status/1336592742995144705 this man is very inspirational at any and all videogames
idle gorge
top 100
he's such an epic gamer
he can get wr
if he practices enough
i mean he got sub30 with only 1 week of practice
hexed kestrel
I think that they should add more European team and more contender Eu teams.
tawdry hamlet
edgy tinsel
Twitter
forest raven
Lip
tawdry hamlet
aight
sullen berry
eileen
primal minnow
fits had a good sombra I believe
tawdry hamlet
I was just curious because I always buy the league skin of the team that has the best player for a specific hero hence why I have chengdu ball and justice zarya lmao
idle gorge
surefour but he's out of owl
tawdry hamlet
well zarya was more hype from playoffs
edgy tinsel
how many shock skins u got
idle gorge
0
tawdry hamlet
loll I only have 4 league skins and the first one I bought was fusion ball for some reason idek why but I usually don't buy them until I play the hero a lot
I want to get nyxl genji because haksal fanboy
even tho he gone
idle gorge
paris' roster looking scary
edgy tinsel
ur gonna need many shock skins if u wanna do it for best player at specific hero
idle gorge
lucio
edgy tinsel
moth isnt on shock now
tawdry hamlet
sadge
idle gorge
but fdgod is
edgy tinsel
moth is so much better..
idle gorge
fdgod is really good tho
edgy tinsel
yeahhh but not the best
tawdry hamlet
Idk if it was because paris looked bad as a whole or if fdgod was just a tier below moth
edgy tinsel
i mean u could get spitfire tracer to bring back s1 memories
idle gorge
wait dallas roster looks scary
edgy tinsel
of when we were good 😦
idle gorge
i hope rein is going to see more playtime
cause i wanna see my boy super play more
i'm so confused why shock need so many dps players
fickle prawn
Damage is king