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tropic herald
icy inlet
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Cheers

tawdry hamlet
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lmaoo Fr3e was in that mayhem list oops

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Fr3e's career be like ๐Ÿ’€

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the real crime will be if someone doesn't sign qoq this season

raw ermine
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from the whiteboard of yeh:

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Fissure, Gargoyle/QOQ, Mer1t, libero, tobi

hidden vault
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Is Gargoyle better or the same level as karayan?

balmy wolf
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karayan is a MT i believe

tawdry hamlet
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is fissure still good? I thought he hasn't been on a team in a bit

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be cool to add a 5th team to his resume tho

hidden vault
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Yeah his MT

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They both join mayhem together

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And we don't see karayan play

raw ermine
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fissure's mechanics are excellent

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and I think he wants to reform

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I could be wrong and he might not wanna play

balmy wolf
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his impact on glads cant be understated, but we've never seen his true potential imo

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titans was supposed to be that but we all know what happened

raw ermine
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it might be a haksal situation again

silk frost
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fissure gargoyle pog

heady fable
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Hello does anyone know where to find the VODs of the mini APAC tourney thing

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@ me please

earnest leaf
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dogman did a companion stream of them

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his twitch channel should have the vods

heady fable
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Oh nice

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Definitely better as a companion stream than simply watching in chinese that i understand 0.1% of

tropic herald
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There is Dogman

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But the raw VODs are on CC, BiliBili, DouYu and Huya

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Iโ€™ll try to find links

heady fable
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I don't think I'll need them

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Dogman just has it playing alongside

raw ermine
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he occasionally swaps to the marbles game

heady fable
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Holy moly twitch ads are bs

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Two 30 second ads every 4 min

silk frost
sullen berry
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last match underrated

silk frost
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yeah it'll be good

sullen berry
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Dita has been kinda moody

silk frost
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FFF is an okay chinese team and it should be close

sullen berry
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I thought he had the showmatch during ESM in the bag, I thought he had a stacked roster behind him to win over Eichenwalde for the uh

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"first to 1" setup after the custom games

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ABang is relatively new?

silk frost
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founded 2017

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but this roster yes

next mesa
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ABang Taiwan gang

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๐Ÿ’ช

silk frost
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this roster is 4 months old

sullen berry
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yeah that's right

balmy wolf
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Did they have the Shanghai Masters games today?

sullen berry
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I want to see CQB and BLUE take em out

silk frost
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I don't think soo

balmy wolf
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Ok

sullen berry
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Did they have the Shanghai Masters games today?
I just went through the semifinals and how the grand finals had to be postponed after network issues

balmy wolf
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Damn

sullen berry
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it stopped at ||SHD 2 - 0 HZS|| ona first to 4

balmy wolf
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Was it streamed through Shanghai yt or OWL

sullen berry
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Neither

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they're not OWL Tournaments

balmy wolf
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So on twitch

sullen berry
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smh not even on Twitch
it's hosted in their local streams

silk frost
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was the Team Diya vs Team 800 match streamed?

sullen berry
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they streamed about 2/3 of their match

balmy wolf
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So where were they streamed at

sullen berry
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since the first two were apparently throws/draws

tropic herald
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Look at these links

balmy wolf
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Thank you

sullen berry
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Huya

tropic herald
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Thatโ€™s the stream locations

sullen berry
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Bilibili and CC

balmy wolf
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Good thing Iโ€™m fluent in Korean

tropic herald
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I think if you are in chrome you have the option for it to do a translation

grand aurora
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is boston uprising the new best team?

cobalt spoke
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No

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The best team isnt new

grand aurora
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ive been reading on im37

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he looks good

noble nexus
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boston are far from being good

hot heart
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Tbh

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I can see them being decent

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Stand1 is solid

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Im37 is solid too

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And Gangnamjin is Gangnamjin

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Also punk showed glimpses of good play last year

noble nexus
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gangnamjin?

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since when did they have him

hot heart
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Ohh

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Im stupid

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Not Gangnamjin

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Myungbong

noble nexus
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oh ya

hot heart
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Boston have 3 solid pieces and a potential super star

noble nexus
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I mean they still have roster spots to fill so if they keep making pickups on the level have been they can be good

hot heart
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Yeah

noble nexus
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they need to replace chex and get a ms

hot heart
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Ye

noble nexus
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and just fill for roster depth

hot heart
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Maybe like

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Kris?

noble nexus
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Kris would work yeah

hot heart
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Hmm

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If libero doesnt get offers

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Maybe he goes to boston

noble nexus
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idk I don't see Libero not getting big offers

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but if he goes to boston they're gonna be pretty good assuming they get good depth and an ok ms at least

hot heart
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Phillys been winning the rascal bidding war

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So libero cant go there

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Shock already have nero

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Shd picked up erster

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Mayhem might have picked up libero

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But thats a big if

noble nexus
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weren't houston going for nero?

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they might still want another flex

digital cloud
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might try libero

noble nexus
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depends if they have the money for him

digital cloud
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maybe they stick with hydration

noble nexus
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libero is obviously better

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but between hydration and danteh they have pretty decent flexibility on dps

hot heart
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They got KSF apparently

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Houstan got fucked over HARD

upper fulcrum
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@hot heart

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@hot heart

hot heart
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Lmao

noble nexus
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ayyy

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KSF still in the league

tawdry hamlet
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surprisingly

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with all the dps agents out there I guess it just seems weird to me especially since houston isn't afraid to go south korean since they got happy

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but either way cool pickup I guess

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probably cheaper that way or something

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wonder who valiant are going to pick up now though

winter oyster
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hello

hot heart
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Match time boys

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Finals

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SHD up 2-0

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Lets see it

weak bolt
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If you want to watch it on Twitch, Smurf is watching it. Granted you'll then ahve Chinese & Korean talk, but beats Chinese websites

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(Although he does respond ot English questions too it seems)

hot heart
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Cool

hot heart
weak bolt
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Shy looks cracked, matching Diem on the Ashe duels

edgy tinsel
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i thought shy was supp

weak bolt
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He's hitscan

hot heart
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He was a former Zen ana player

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Transitioned into hitscan

edgy tinsel
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then whos the guy on lag?

hot heart
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Skewed?

weak bolt
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Shu

edgy tinsel
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oh i getting mixed up w shu

hot heart
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Ywah

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*yeah

weak bolt
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There has been Shu, Shy and Sky now in OWL (Although Sky was a while back)

hot heart
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Im very interested in skewed

edgy tinsel
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sky was s1 dragons?

hot heart
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I think he went under a different name

weak bolt
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yeah S1 SHD

crimson crypt
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shoutout to los angeles gladiators for being dumb and accidentally giving away free copies of overwatch

crimson crypt
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2 weeks ago iirc, they opened up a site where you could enter information and upload a receipt to get a free copy of overwatch

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origins edition if I'm not wrong

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the thing is, they forgot to do any kind of verification and so you could enter random info

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and still get a copy

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it was also supposed to be capped at 7500 copies but it ended up being at least 10K copies

fringe thicket
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BROOOO

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How did I miss that

trail perch
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Damn the titans did the same

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I have 3 alts now

merry phoenix
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Will I be eligible for contenders skins while watching through phone?๐Ÿค”

edgy tinsel
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if ur accs are linked yea

merry phoenix
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Will it pop up in the ow league app?

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I cant see it there

tawdry hamlet
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Nah you have to watch on the contenders website

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Only league games show up on the app annoyingly

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Even though the app is dog shit so I don't care that much but come on blizzard pls

cobalt spoke
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Yo

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Shock next season is better than this season

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Thoughts on that one?

edgy tinsel
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yes

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they are

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better 2021

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although idrk where ta1yo fits in

cobalt spoke
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Ta1yo can play the new dps

edgy tinsel
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but they have nero striker

cobalt spoke
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Yea

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Striker plays tracer and reaper

edgy tinsel
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i also think they should get a backup OT

cobalt spoke
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Nero plays all the proj dps

edgy tinsel
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exactly

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so where does ta1yo fit in

cobalt spoke
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New dps

edgy tinsel
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bc they have glister ans for hitscan

cobalt spoke
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2 probably

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Glister is probably just going to be their zarya player

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He is cracked out the wazzoo on that hero

edgy tinsel
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uh no

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defo not

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they have choi still

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glister will be for when ans needs a break

cobalt spoke
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Well choi'szarya is only high-mid tier

edgy tinsel
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he has a better zarya than glister

cobalt spoke
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Not true

edgy tinsel
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yes true

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they should pick up QoQ as a backup OT for if choi needs a break

cobalt spoke
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Choi? Breaks?

edgy tinsel
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he will need one eventually

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or if he ever gets ill

cobalt spoke
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Choi? sick?

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?????

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Choi does not get sick

edgy tinsel
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ur acting like its impossible

cobalt spoke
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Choi dominates the competition

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It isnt for anybody else

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But it is for choi

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But seroiusly

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Choi literally went an entire season without touching zarya

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And he only played the hero a little this season

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So idk

edgy tinsel
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s2 had sinatraa

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then zarya wasnt meta

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and zarya wasnt extremely popular in s3

raw ermine
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We never really see them discuss injuries on sfs

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I don't mean they ignore them

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they're just that good

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the dps are so plentiful it doesn't affect them if one is hurt

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and for tanks, well choi just doesn't seem to be hurt

balmy wolf
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Donโ€™t worry guys, Choi wont have to play Zarya because double shield will still be meta the next season ZenyattaCry

cobalt spoke
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My point is that glister has potential to ne a really good zarya player if he got back into it

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Crusty can coach someone into anything

raw ermine
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true

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i'd imagine ta1yo played it as well

plush light
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Glister could be the new sinatraa

raw ermine
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Now that I think of it, he could

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zarya, yeah

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doomfist, probably

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sombra, sure

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genji, does it already

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tracer, sounds about right, but it doesn't matter cause striker

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and he plays widow n stuff

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ahaha sbb has a new account named

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"seouldynasty"

next mesa
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Honestly instead of having glister practice zarya why not just let choi polish his up

raw ermine
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yeah

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unless rein zarya becomes superrr meta

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might just be rein sig

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or rein orisa

next mesa
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I don't see a world where zarya will be better than sigma

tawdry hamlet
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rein zarya would still be way better on choi super

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isn't double bubble kind of a thing atm? Isn't that comp usually always around at some point? I would imagine zarya is a useful hero to have

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but idk if she is essential, but as decay showed, a good zarya can do anything

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I know decay is a goat dps player but that zarya was some top tier shit ngl

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would wonder how he would be if he joined the league as an off tank

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instead of dps when he first started

raw ermine
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their are a lotta off tanks, and even a few Mt's, who could honestly be nutty hitscans

next mesa
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I mean

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why have rein zarya when u can run smurf orisa choi sig

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idk if double bubble is a thing

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decay did play zarya when he joined the league

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he was on glads

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he was like this season's sparkle but hitscan, but he was stuck on zarya because goats

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but like as we saw sigma or a really coordinated rush dive was better idk

tropic herald
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Double bubble appears to be a thing when Brig Zen is a thing

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Bubble just better against that support line than matrix

tawdry hamlet
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gibraltar at esm was double bubble if I recall correctly

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which I usually don't but I think I remember that lmao

next mesa
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esm?

tropic herald
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Shanghai Masters

next mesa
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oh yeah

plush light
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Did anyone else notice that the spark has a Chinese and a Korean tank line

raw ermine
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yeah

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nearly 1/2 of each nationality along role lines

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but they have 3 korean dps and one chinese

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everywhere else it's 2 and 2

next mesa
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The next grand finals/ tournament finals

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we need a hype video

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like back in apex

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smh

plush light
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Upload Shanghai masters to YouTube please

trail perch
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Just putting this out there, due to the fact that dva is never getting nerfed, rein zarya is always going to be overshadowed by rein dva

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unless zarya gets these massive buffs

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So choi only really needs to play sigma and D.Va

tropic herald
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Hope

raw ermine
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hmm

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libero?

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either Libero, Biance, Hotba, Whoru, or Nenne

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or pine

cedar oasis
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Pine

raw ermine
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or flow3r

cedar oasis
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Pine nene or meko

edgy tinsel
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not flow3r

raw ermine
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probably not

edgy tinsel
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i think pine

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or meko

raw ermine
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if they want a flex, they get libero

edgy tinsel
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nah nah

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its janus

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ofc

raw ermine
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rightt

edgy tinsel
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i doubt libero bc he was released with sbb anamo

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it has to be someone who left after s1 or s2

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pine meko or ark is my guess

plush bridge
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ark retired

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it think meko

true hound
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pine

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or meko

edgy tinsel
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ark retired? oh didnt know

raw ermine
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hmm

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yakpung bianca

plush light
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Bianca was the best player on nyxl this year

raw ermine
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Mano better tbh

hot heart
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Ye

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So

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BiaNcA has alot of potential to be great

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Yakpung is solid

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They've ivy and gwanboong also

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Jjonak is fine

digital cloud
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a good tankline is the beginning of a good team

hot heart
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But he needs to step it up

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Adapr

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*adapt

raw ermine
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I just realized, Chipsa, by joining the fusion, and made his 50k+72k dollars (contract+prize money)=122k dollars, by playing one game

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lmao

hot heart
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The bag

solar bison
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Big brain

digital cloud
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man may be useless, but he knows how to get the money

solar bison
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Chipsa is smartest of them all

next mesa
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yakpung should be ๐Ÿ‘Œ

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dude you know how dogman said he thinks fate is better than fearless

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like

raw ermine
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He probably thinks he's more consistent

next mesa
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good take right

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not a bad one

raw ermine
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his ceiling is likely lower

next mesa
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but then reddit circle jerk just be like

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"yeah i wont be surprised if fearless is the weak link in dallas"

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like

raw ermine
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Announcing team ร„รถร… fรถr EU Gauntlet

๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ@LhCloudy
๐Ÿ›ก๏ธ@smexy

โš”๏ธ@zYKK_
โš”๏ธ@saunamestari
โš”๏ธ@scyle2
โš”๏ธ@sxnken

๐Ÿ’‰@snappeow
๐Ÿ’‰@anj_ow

Veri cรถรถl team Veri gรถรถd

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smex zykk LH cloudy

silk frost
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that team is kinda stacked

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honestly if they roll past YaB I wouldn't be shocked

next mesa
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either way we know team cc is gonna win gauntlet

vagrant jacinth
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Lh ๐Ÿ’™

silk frost
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CC vs BH is the only battle we're looking for

next mesa
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they didn't even win their region doe

mortal abyss
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Yeah but they were easily the most dominant team throughout this year (in eu).

next mesa
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yeah but they didn't win their region

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idk I use the most recent result

silk frost
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CC and BH both lost in the final week

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by this logic it'll be FG vs OA

next mesa
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CC won netease

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tho

mortal abyss
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^

next mesa
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wait FG wasn't in that tourney

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okay but some of FG's players went to team chasers

karmic grotto
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Zzz

mortal abyss
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?

silk frost
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oh sht they lost Aprita and Mmonk

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FG is nowhere near as good

next mesa
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YEAH

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oops

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yeah*

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so imo should be team cc

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favourites at least

edgy tinsel
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i mean bh is going owl anyway

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so idk if they rlly cared about owc

next mesa
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are you sure

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wouldn't them getting slapped around in gauntlet look really bad for spitfire

primal minnow
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Yeah, if BH did bad in gauntlet people would question spitfire greatly

raw ermine
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Does this mean Fischer makes it to gauntlet twice now?

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well, I guess other coaches have

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but still

edgy tinsel
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i mean

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it depends if they tryhard gaunlet

raw ermine
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I think they will try hard

edgy tinsel
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spitfire already announced the BH coaches so

raw ermine
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they took one from BH and one from somwhere else

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not fischer tho

edgy tinsel
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also u cant use recency bias to show whether a team deserves it

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they dominated all year

karmic grotto
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Zzz

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Let's hope for fun

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Pre season when

worn falcon
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OWWC 2020 Covid edition when

rustic zealot
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isnt

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contenders sa stream supposed to be like 8 hours

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it never goes close to the amount of hours so i have to watch more and more streams jfdospfoidsogf

twilit sluice
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holy holy

plush light
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Who did bh lose to?

raw ermine
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obey alliance

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I just realized, with moth gone from sfs, we no longer get to see those videos of choi and smurf just randomly wrestling on the bean bag behind him while he plays OW, and screaming

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:(

next mesa
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I hope kevster just

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Be pog

tawdry hamlet
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bruh I found da man in 1k gun game

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how epic

true hound
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ooo

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I was in jakes tryhard ffa once

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he smacked us all on pharah

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before her movement speed buff

next mesa
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ooo

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dogman joined my ana paintball game once

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smacked all of us

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he literally just got like 10 kills straight potg and just skurt skurt

tawdry hamlet
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yee that guy was gm in all three roles so I am assuming it was really him lol

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only recognized it because I was reading odysseys liquidpedia yesterday

worn falcon
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something nice to fill i guess

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ZP, Avast and Hex

next mesa
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hey hey hey bitch

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shut the fuck up

true hound
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classic levy line

next mesa
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Okay some guy was like

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"call this number"

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Not to cuyo smh

tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
sullen berry
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โ€œAnnouncing the Valiant Winter Ball, presented by @FrontierCorp. โ„๏ธ

Featuring special guests;
@LAValiant
@FLMayhem
@LAGladiators
@ATLReign

We have so many fun things in store, save the date! #FrontierBall
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karmic grotto
novel wasp
trail perch
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Does this mean the mayhem announce their roster?

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and the valiant announce their new flex dps

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and the reign finalize their roster?

hot heart
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Mayhem are going to def announce before the winter ball

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Valiant and reign might not

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At least valiant

trail perch
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Are they just going to run ashe tracer the entire time?

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I mean ksp and shax are good, but against potentially a top 5 roster in the mayhem, they need to be more adaptable

hot heart
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Idk man

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They can try and force it

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It wont work but eh

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They're probably currently trialing players

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Or signed someone

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Who knows

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They wont rush signing a player for some mid off season tournament

trail perch
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Maybe the matches are just an excuse to release their roster

hot heart
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Yeah maybe

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Wonder who valiant sign though

trail perch
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Maybe a korean?

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Rascal's on the market if they are willing to cough up the big bucks

hot heart
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Nah

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They aren't

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No way

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Maybe like

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An EU contenders player?

trail perch
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They prob will

hot heart
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See

trail perch
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But I dont want them too

hot heart
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Mayhem

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Could become an insane team

trail perch
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I want them to sign fissure

hot heart
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Did you see that whiteboard of FA's?

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Fucking insane

trail perch
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Yeah

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Like what

hot heart
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Fissure Jjanu

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Imagine

trail perch
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There are almost no bad options

hot heart
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Literally yeay

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*yeah

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Fissure Gargoyle

trail perch
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fr3e

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lol

hot heart
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He's in prison lmao

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Like

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Yaki

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Bqb

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Rascal?

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Idk

trail perch
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Ok hear me out

hot heart
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Tobi

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To mayhem

trail perch
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drop bqb and grab nenne

hot heart
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Nah

trail perch
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for zarya

hot heart
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Idk

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???

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For zarya

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Idk about that chief

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Like

trail perch
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nenne had a top 5 zarya

hot heart
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At their peaks

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Nenne is the better player

trail perch
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He was rated higher than decay

hot heart
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But

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Coaches have to be certain they can rehabilitate him

trail perch
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They can prob undo the shit that IMT did

hot heart
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You dont sign a dps player for zarya

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Thats just stupid

trail perch
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I trust kuki

hot heart
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Unless its goats meta

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Yeah

trail perch
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No you prefer nenne over bqb bc of zarya

hot heart
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Why

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No

trail perch
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Because aside from hitscan you also have that

hot heart
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Dude

trail perch
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So not only are you getting an insane hitscan, if need be you also have a top zarya

hot heart
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Nenne needs serious rehabilitation though

trail perch
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yeah

hot heart
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If it goes well

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Yes

trail perch
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IMT fucked every NYXL player up

hot heart
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He's a better pick over bqb

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Ehh

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IMT fucked 8t

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But

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Nenne also had an injury

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So that effected him also

trail perch
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Tru

hot heart
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Idk man

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Id keep bqb

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Nenne is a risi

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*risk

trail perch
#

Its prob bc Im a huge nyxl fan that I have a high opinion of them

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I just like to remember his peak

plush light
hot heart
#

Yeah

hot heart
#

I think

trail perch
#

Hopefully the second one

sterile grail
#

@staze

hot heart
#

Hopefully

primal minnow
#

They wouldnโ€™t need to utilise nenne for Zarya if they picked up a good OT so

tawdry hamlet
#

pog

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my friends college team partnered with da bois

plush light
#

I know where I'm going to college

next mesa
#

Lmao you're crazy if you think nenne is better than bqb right now

#

Nenne is so bad right now his ashe is worse than sbbs and his widow worse than libero

cerulean notch
#

efffsd

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asdasdasd

tawdry hamlet
#

yo who is the best brig in the league atm

chilly mango
#

question

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Did OWL hit a low in viewer count during GOATS?

tawdry hamlet
#

I would imagine it had a higher view count then than now

chilly mango
#

Because it was the most boring shit to watch

silk frost
#

Yeah higher then than now

tawdry hamlet
#

is ljg the best brig or was it like twilight or something I don't remember

#

I don't watch a lot of brig

silk frost
#

Chara or Alarm imo

tawdry hamlet
#

aight

hot heart
#

Yeah

silk frost
#

Kris is pretty good too, and twilight and LJG

hot heart
#

I think LJG

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Then alarm

edgy tinsel
#

i dont think LJG was the best at any of the heros he played

raw ermine
#

Moth twilight fdgod and alarm are all good

#

Alarm is probably the best

plush grail
#

shaz > every other support player

tawdry hamlet
#

I think brig was like ljg only thing that made him a star support lmao

#

I think he was just upper mid at the rest right?

#

or am I thinking of someone else

edgy tinsel
#

he got his role star mainly for this lucio

#

everyone thought it was insane

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when in reality it was just bc apac teams werent good enough to deal w it

trail perch
#

No it was insane

#

Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a super fanboy

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He just wasnt playing his best in the gf bracket

next mesa
#

lfg brig def op

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twilight brig was like better than rascal's and moth's

mortal abyss
#

Philly put alarm on brig for the summer showdown because in that comp โ€œbrig is more importantโ€

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Which I guess was true for them cause their main objective was just shut down sp9rlke

plush light
#

The best brig is kris

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Or twilight

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Ljg sucks

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His team was able to cover up his feeding for most of the season because they outclassed the other teams in apac

hot heart
#

No

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LJG doesn't suck

#

He just pushes his luck sometimes

#

And gets fucked over

edgy tinsel
#

LJG was kinda like the bumper of support

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way too aggressive but his team was so good that they could protect him

sullen berry
#

@fringe bronze hey sorry, I can't answer right now - we're filming this live

fringe bronze
#

ohhh no worries... when is it over?

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Actually curious because now that it was mentioned I might want to try and play for it

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(world cup)

sullen berry
#

!!when this podcast ending

young fractalBOT
#

soonโ„ข๏ธ

sullen berry
#

World cup isn't going ahead this year, no updates on 2021 due to regional servers and travel complications with the rest of the world

fringe bronze
#

Unfortunate

sullen berry
#

you can support the closest thing to the World Cup this year, Contenders Gauntlet

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bringing together the best of two different divisions next weekend

fringe bronze
#

When this is over would you be down to talk about some of this with me after the podcast? really don't know that much about OW esports but would be interested

sullen berry
#

everyone here can quite adequately answer some of your questions here

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it's usually busy around the time I go to work

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(in 2 hours)

fringe bronze
#

Ah okay, I'll keep that in mind

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thanks!

sullen berry
#

also for more specifics there is the /r/OWL discord

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their general chat is happy to clear up anything there, they answer a lot of questions too

cedar oasis
#

Just know sbb is the best looking owl player

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2nd is poko

fringe bronze
#

I wouldn't jump straight into OWL though, would need to a smaller thing first

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That's why I was looking at world cup

sullen berry
#

OWL isn't really scouting for players without a strong contenders experience or very consistent high performance in ladder in the past 3 seasons

#

whenever there is news about the world cup, keep an eye out for your local team committee that's usally formed in the middle of the year

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granted, i don't expect any due to COVID times

fringe bronze
#

That's fair I suppose, a team I was on made it to top 16 in OD and that was a pretty scuffed team anyway... and I've hit 4500 last 2 seasons... is that high enough?

sullen berry
#

I've hit 4500 last 2 seasons... is that high enough?
alright then next you need to make yourself present, this one is just hit or miss

fringe bronze
#

ah, I have class... I'd love to talk about this more later for sure though

tidal ridge
#

what is going on

sullen berry
#

haha sure thing, just think about it this way: nobody goes out of their way to sign Colourhex without a good reason

fringe bronze
#

colourhex? is he a player?

tidal ridge
#

oh

#

yes

fringe bronze
#

ah okay

sullen berry
fringe bronze
#

(I honestly don't know that much about leauge, only what some friends have told me)

sullen berry
#

well now is the best time to pick up the league, if you want to be ready for the pro scene come OW2

#

we're mostly working it out together to see what the community thinks coming into 2021

mortal abyss
cedar oasis
#

No

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Sbb always

tidal ridge
#

ameng

mortal abyss
#

blasphemy

sullen berry
#

did erster hate atlanta? Or did he hate his teammates

#

๐Ÿต

tidal ridge
#

he hated red

#

which is why he is on the shanghai dragons now

#

who is not red

mortal abyss
#

Was erster on atlanta in S2?

tidal ridge
#

yes'

cedar oasis
#

The question is 2nd place Ben best or poko

tidal ridge
#

anyone on chengdu

sullen berry
cedar oasis
#

Who else could compete with them

mortal abyss
sullen berry
#

okay but there might be a couple bias towards the best of the east

#

look at this team

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and tell me you didn't lose

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at the first panel

#

also what's going with sf sock's dps ๐Ÿงฆ

tidal ridge
#

yveltal doesn't deserve two-way

#

sadge

sullen berry
#

It's just making room for good talent
Damage Glister
Damage Nero
Damage Striker
Damage ANS
Damage Super

#

can't complain if there's no new talent from china

tidal ridge
#

Damage Ta1yo

sullen berry
#

if they couldn't give someone else a try at two years

#

that's it

#

5 dps

tidal ridge
#

6

#

supa

sullen berry
#

3 of them benched

#

yeah in the following order: Ta1yo, Nero, Super, Viol2t

tidal ridge
#

7 dps

#

11 dps

#

everyone on shock is a dps

sullen berry
#

if they all suffer from food poisoning except viol2t

#

they can clone him onto dps

#

and resign nomy for main tank

tidal ridge
#

ANS Striker is the most likely right

#

and then ANS Nero

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ANS Glister....?

sullen berry
#

they'll do the fluid roster like they tried in 2019

tidal ridge
#

not sure why they picked up glister

sullen berry
#

they will shift players between maps

#

make glister deadlier as their map specialist

tidal ridge
#

they really don't want the 2021 MVP to get burned out

#

so they signed glister

next mesa
#

sbb is the sexiest

sullen berry
#

yeah shock had moments where they could crack even harder

next mesa
#

and it's not that close

tidal ridge
#

yveltal is pretty attractive to me

sullen berry
#

their biggest dip was at the start of online play vs glads and valiant

next mesa
#

but as a team though

sullen berry
#

which they lost on the same week

next mesa
#

chengdu is the hottest for sure

#

and it's not even close

tidal ridge
#

chengdu is hot

next mesa
#

fr fr

sullen berry
#

fr

tidal ridge
#

runner up would be NYXL

#

with just jjonak

sullen berry
#

boss photoshoot with the owl players

tidal ridge
#

why does his head look photoshopped on

sullen berry
#

it's the turtle neck

edgy tinsel
#

to go back to the shock stuff

#

it will be ans mainly

#

glister to sub when he needs a break

earnest leaf
#

Depends on meta

edgy tinsel
#

double hitscan will be ans glister

sullen berry
#

@small waveGamer: Shock should sign Geguri

#

um

#

??

edgy tinsel
#

i think they should sign another OT tbh

#

just incase

tidal ridge
#

double hitscan will be ans striker*

edgy tinsel
#

nah

mortal abyss
tidal ridge
#

whyy would u play glister on tracer over striker

edgy tinsel
#

yes but glister has better ashe, widow, cree

#

and still has an insane tracer

#

so

tidal ridge
#

only thing i can see glister playing is cree

sullen berry
#

Choihyobin has no equal

edgy tinsel
#

they could get someone just to sub

cedar oasis
#

Striker has good widow

sullen berry
#

you'd sign to coach them into that dominant defensive role

edgy tinsel
#

bc choi will need a break eventually

sullen berry
#

but the off-tank pool is so low

mortal abyss
#

I think they might run Glister zarya for rush/zarya comps

edgy tinsel
#

again

earnest leaf
#

Choi has gone two years strong

edgy tinsel
#

choi has better zarya

sullen berry
#

there is no demand to sub out your anchors in the roster

earnest leaf
#

Mans got a solid mental

tidal ridge
#

12 man shock roster

edgy tinsel
#

yeah but choi may get sick for example

#

its the only role in which they dont have a sub

tidal ridge
#

you could say that for any team ever

#

with a role that has no sub

edgy tinsel
#

yea

#

and i would

sullen berry
#

choi may get sick for example
i don't think it was going to happen during lockdown, so i don't see that happening?

tidal ridge
#

but

edgy tinsel
#

say they should have a sub

tidal ridge
#

choihyobin may have a godlike immune system

sullen berry
#

the cost of having a bench off-tank who needs to be trained into the Shock system

edgy tinsel
sullen berry
#

well you saw what happened when they chose not to play rascal on genji and put in Super instead

mortal abyss
#

By that logic shouldn't every team have a 12 man roster so they have a backup for every player incase they get sick?

sullen berry
#

they can do emergency swaps with their existing players and do just fine

edgy tinsel
#

that wasnt an emergency swap tho

#

they scrimmed super genji

inland flare
#

Yo shock don't need subs

#

Ok

#

For choi

sullen berry
#

mmm

#

you don't but you can

#

Charge did that for hotba by signing Bischu

#

they fielded him when their B team was able to smash boston last year at the 3-0

inland flare
#

Also glister is not going to be playing in double hitscan let us be real

earnest leaf
#

I'm still curious to glister's role

#

My guess is a back up for ans

tidal ridge
#

backup for the 2021 mvp

earnest leaf
#

If ans has depression issues again

digital cloud
#

after ans having a breakdown last year, seems like a good precaution

edgy tinsel
#

i mean hot take but under crusty glisters tracer can get up to strikers level

next mesa
#

doesn't glister prefer hitscan

tidal ridge
#

No

next mesa
#

oops

#

i mean projectile

edgy tinsel
#

nah

#

he plays widow ashe tracer mainly

tidal ridge
#

i think he prefers hitscan

next mesa
#

and with nero and glister on the roster I see no place for ta1yo

edgy tinsel
#

he can play genji doom etc

tidal ridge
#

or he mightve been forced into it

next mesa
#

yeah he was forced into it

vagrant jacinth
next mesa
#

I mean like personally himself

edgy tinsel
#

yeah i see no place for ta1yo

next mesa
#

he likes to play projectile more

tidal ridge
#

japanese player

earnest leaf
#

Ta1yo is for learning all new ow2 dps heroes

edgy tinsel
#

but imo any other of the dps could do that

#

and do it better

tidal ridge
#

ta1yo is for rascal 2 i guess

vagrant jacinth
#

Whenever ans needs a break, I feel they'll slot glister in

next mesa
#

nero is more rascal 2 doe

edgy tinsel
#

ta1yo will never be rascal 2

tidal ridge
#

crusty

edgy tinsel
next mesa
#

isn't ta1yo kinda weak mechanically

#

compared to glister and nero

tidal ridge
#

i mean shock kind of panic signed him for the genji meta so

#

if hes benched the entire season then whatever

edgy tinsel
#

i dont think they panicked signed

tidal ridge
#

he got free money

next mesa
#

nah

earnest leaf
#

That theory makes no sense ngl

next mesa
#

not panic sign

tidal ridge
#

i mean they struggled during the genji meta

next mesa
#

it was after genji meta anyway

#

that they signed

edgy tinsel
#

but like super had a better genji than ta1yo

next mesa
#

and they needed someone to fill sinatraa and architect's shoes anyway

earnest leaf
#

Why panic sign a t2 hitscan in the middle of the season for one hero

#

When rascal is a thing

next mesa
#

signing ta1yo was happening no matter genji meta or not

edgy tinsel
#

yeah

#

just imo

#

wasnt the right one

#

but was the only one

karmic grotto
#

they should sign pine, don " me

edgy tinsel
#

no

sullen berry
#

I was more concerned he wouldn't continue with OW if he wasn't picked up this year

#

Ta1yo has done so much to represent the japanese OW competitive scene

edgy tinsel
#

whos alphayi

sullen berry
#

assuming they were left with absolutely nothing for various reasons

#

EM?

edgy tinsel
#

and who is cola

sullen berry
#

ah no

tidal ridge
#

shock sign every DPS

sullen berry
#

let

tidal ridge
#

for a DPS monopoly

#

and dominate every meta

sullen berry
#

let's narrow it down

edgy tinsel
#

idk any of those flex dps that are not crossed out

#

ive heard of d3cal actually

next mesa
#

Ace is pretty good

edgy tinsel
#

none of the others

sullen berry
#

You sign A because flex dps from OZ Gaming

#

truly a cheap signing

karmic grotto
#

d3cal, wasnt he in runaway

#

or maybe im wrong

edgy tinsel
#

thats what i thought

#

perfact needs a team

#

๐Ÿ˜ฆ

sullen berry
#

yeah he's on Talon now

tidal ridge
#

he was on talon recently

next mesa
#

franchised league is actually so dumb

sullen berry
#

Talon stonks have gone up since they left Pacific Contenders

next mesa
#

It's actually so bad for the scene

tidal ridge
#

what is the point of pacific contenders

sullen berry
tidal ridge
#

is it like taiwan?

sullen berry
#

it's the rest of asia pacific

#

right now there's no more contenders pacific

karmic grotto
#

For me, a franchised league is not bad, they just should leave T2 the fuck alone

#

Instead of limiting it

#

third party tournaments without restrictions

next mesa
#

there's just so many talented players and teams stuck in t2 because franchise

tidal ridge
#

wasnt talon korean tho?

sullen berry
#

just regional tournaments there like ACE have to deal with a lot of legalities with competition money from a lot of SEA countries

next mesa
#

the level of play would be much much higher if franchised wasn't a thing

#

If you just had t1 for every region

sullen berry
#

talon was predominantly mixed asian roster

next mesa
#

and THEN have a gauntlet for all the t1 teams of all regions

sullen berry
#

but kind of moved onto all korean

next mesa
#

qualifiers too

#

it would just be so much better

tawdry hamlet
#

Franchised makes them more money silly

sullen berry
#

good luck selling that to them if they can't make a world cup happen in this climate

karmic grotto
#

South America is poor, OCE is poor, the other region is poor

earnest leaf
#

@next mesa so korea dicking on everyone else

karmic grotto
#

EU is gone

#

NA is gone

tawdry hamlet
#

South American Contenders is a joke lmao

karmic grotto
#

KR/CN only now

sullen berry
#

China is having a good time

next mesa
#

if korea is the strongest region let it be

sullen berry
#

enough to have english livestreams from monkey bubble

tidal ridge
#

wdym franchised league

plush grail
#

nenne to houston when

tawdry hamlet
#

each team is a franchise owned by someone

#

like the nfl

#

or nba

next mesa
#

@tidal ridge like right now u need millions of dollars for buy in

tidal ridge
#

ah thats what i thought

karmic grotto
#

such a joke

#

Activision earns billions in revenue

#

But no

#

5 million prize pool for owl

sullen berry
#

top prize is only 2 million

next mesa
#

5 million is actually like

#

not bad at all

tawdry hamlet
#

catJAM I mean the players get paid salary and the league makes shit money

hot heart
#

I feel like Blizzard is planning something for Contenders

plush grail
#

owl legit needs like years of winning to be profitable

next mesa
#

they better

karmic grotto
#

"planning"

#

false promises

sullen berry
next mesa
#

you know what would be cool, if the best t2 teams actually have a chance to get into t1

sullen berry
#

this doesn't include the cash bonuses during the tournament block

next mesa
#

prove their worth

sullen berry
#

too much info is obscured between players and the teams

plush grail
#

wasn't it rumored that apac will have t2 teams in tournaments

sullen berry
#

still only a rumor

next mesa
#

like

#

I bet team cc would slap boston

sullen berry
#

you get into talks about signing krystal to boston uprising in 2019

next mesa
#

why are they not in the league

plush grail
#

that's gonna be fucking hilarious

next mesa
#

just because its FRANCHISE

#

argh

plush grail
#

contendies players come into a owl tournament and just slap bottom tier teams like titans and boston

next mesa
#

exactly

#

I think if they get slapped

#

they should ge tthe fuck out

#

team cc join

karmic grotto
#

I am surprised pro players still want to play pro overwatch

next mesa
#

easy

sullen berry
#

@next mesa this reindeer pfp update is underrated

next mesa
#

thanks bb my friend made it

#

I cropped it horribly doe

plush grail
#

anime reindeer

#

anime is fake

#

jehong returning is fake

#

tobi is retiring

next mesa
#

dont do this to me

#

shut the fuck up bitch

sullen berry
#

gotta make your face smol

next mesa
plush grail
#

your waifu doesn't know you exist and your fav owl player is retiring pog

karmic grotto
#

League dies in Season 5 because teams don't have a contract with blizzard anymore

#

Dreamhaven will come with an Overwatch equivalent

next mesa
#

tobi jehong better than viol2t twilight

#

yes

karmic grotto
#

I'll join the beta, I'll start season 1, I become top 500

#

And get into pro

next mesa
#

become faker

karmic grotto
#

eazy

next mesa
#

but overwatch 2.0

#

easy

#

I believe

plush grail
karmic grotto
#

I was silver

#

in 2018

next mesa
#

I hope dreamhaven comes up with some good shit

mortal abyss
#

I think OW2 will be out before season 5

next mesa
#

Im only interested in like fps doe

karmic grotto
#

I am waiting for updates

#

I have send two emails

#

No reaction

#

They haven't had a reaction on Twitter since the 29th or 30th of September

hot heart
#

I feel like

#

If blizz partner with another org for esports

#

That would be good

next mesa
#

oh gee

#

something like

#

ogn?????????

plush grail
#

imagine if apex hosted owl

#

lmaooo

hot heart
#

bro

#

Id be so happy

next mesa
#

HELLOOOOOO

plush grail
#

if apex got to do production

next mesa
#

dude ogn is ltierally banger

hot heart
#

Ye

plush grail
#

and blizzard just pays them money

next mesa
#

so much better

plush grail
#

god i wanna fuck ameng

gilded dagger
#

uh

karmic grotto
hot heart
#

OW is just dying

#

Like

gilded dagger
#

no

hot heart
#

Not in terms of playerbase

gilded dagger
#

o

karmic grotto
#

I wouldn't say dying

#

But not growing right now

next mesa
#

in terms of players it's still solid

hot heart
#

Its slowing down

next mesa
#

10m a month?

gilded dagger
#

and not doing as good as its prime days

hot heart
#

They need a huge partnership

#

And then we could see some incredible stuff

gilded dagger
#

ya

mortal abyss
next mesa
#

blizzard could save ogn

#

but noooooo

#

dude grand finals used to be cool

plush grail
hot heart
mortal abyss
#

OGN kinda dug a hole for themselves

mortal abyss
hot heart
#

Bri

next mesa
#

yeah alarm wasn't even good

hot heart
#

*bro

next mesa
#

๐Ÿ—ฟ

hot heart
#

Levy's better than alarm

#

Id say he's better than twighlight and viol2t too

plush grail
#

my bap > alarm and twilight combined

hot heart
#

He's just too humble

#

๐Ÿ—ฟ

next mesa
#

yeah I mean

plush grail
#

also i just wanna remind yall how stacked the spark dps line is this year

next mesa
#

if I actually joined owl

plush grail
#

godsb, architect and seominsoo

next mesa
#

viol2t wouldn't have a job

gilded dagger
#

yes

next mesa
#

sooooooooooooo

plush grail
#

that's legit a godlike dps lineup

next mesa
#

I just ๐Ÿ˜Œ

gilded dagger
#

ikr

plush grail
#

but here you are, simping over a player who's gonna retire

gilded dagger
#

lmao

next mesa
#

no

#

the only player that's better than me is ryujehong

gilded dagger
#

ok yes

mortal abyss
#

Alarm isn't retiring any time soon lol