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lmaoo Fr3e was in that mayhem list oops
Fr3e's career be like ๐
the real crime will be if someone doesn't sign qoq this season

Is Gargoyle better or the same level as karayan?
karayan is a MT i believe
is fissure still good? I thought he hasn't been on a team in a bit
be cool to add a 5th team to his resume tho
fissure's mechanics are excellent
and I think he wants to reform
I could be wrong and he might not wanna play
his impact on glads cant be understated, but we've never seen his true potential imo
titans was supposed to be that but we all know what happened
it might be a haksal situation again
fissure gargoyle pog
Hello does anyone know where to find the VODs of the mini APAC tourney thing
@ me please
Oh nice
Definitely better as a companion stream than simply watching in chinese that i understand 0.1% of
There is Dogman
But the raw VODs are on CC, BiliBili, DouYu and Huya
Iโll try to find links
he occasionally swaps to the marbles game
this should be a good day of OW
last match underrated
yeah it'll be good
Dita has been kinda moody
FFF is an okay chinese team and it should be close
I thought he had the showmatch during ESM in the bag, I thought he had a stacked roster behind him to win over Eichenwalde for the uh
"first to 1" setup after the custom games
ABang is relatively new?
this roster is 4 months old
yeah that's right
Did they have the Shanghai Masters games today?
I want to see CQB and BLUE take em out
I don't think soo
Ok
Did they have the Shanghai Masters games today?
I just went through the semifinals and how the grand finals had to be postponed after network issues
Damn
it stopped at ||SHD 2 - 0 HZS|| ona first to 4
Was it streamed through Shanghai yt or OWL
So on twitch
smh not even on Twitch
it's hosted in their local streams
was the Team Diya vs Team 800 match streamed?
they streamed about 2/3 of their match
So where were they streamed at
since the first two were apparently throws/draws
Let's be honest, the real MVPs are the casters who are still going strong here. Map 3 ends in a draw, map 4 coming up!
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Look at these links
Thank you
Huya
Thatโs the stream locations
Bilibili and CC
Good thing Iโm fluent in Korean
I think if you are in chrome you have the option for it to do a translation
is boston uprising the new best team?
boston are far from being good
Tbh
I can see them being decent
Stand1 is solid
Im37 is solid too
And Gangnamjin is Gangnamjin
Also punk showed glimpses of good play last year
oh ya
Boston have 3 solid pieces and a potential super star
I mean they still have roster spots to fill so if they keep making pickups on the level have been they can be good
Yeah
they need to replace chex and get a ms
Ye
and just fill for roster depth
Kris would work yeah
idk I don't see Libero not getting big offers
but if he goes to boston they're gonna be pretty good assuming they get good depth and an ok ms at least
Phillys been winning the rascal bidding war
So libero cant go there
Shock already have nero
Shd picked up erster
Mayhem might have picked up libero
But thats a big if
might try libero
depends if they have the money for him
maybe they stick with hydration
libero is obviously better
but between hydration and danteh they have pretty decent flexibility on dps
According to sources, the Houston Outlaws have supposedly signed former Los Angeles Valiant DPS Kyle "KSF" Frandanisa
1238
They got KSF apparently
Houstan got fucked over HARD
Lmao
surprisingly
with all the dps agents out there I guess it just seems weird to me especially since houston isn't afraid to go south korean since they got happy
but either way cool pickup I guess
probably cheaper that way or something
wonder who valiant are going to pick up now though
hello
Match time boys
Finals
SHD up 2-0
Lets see it
If you want to watch it on Twitch, Smurf is watching it. Granted you'll then ahve Chinese & Korean talk, but beats Chinese websites
(Although he does respond ot English questions too it seems)
Cool
Thanks for letting us know that btw
Shy looks cracked, matching Diem on the Ashe duels
i thought shy was supp
He's hitscan
then whos the guy on lag?
Skewed?
Shu
oh i getting mixed up w shu
There has been Shu, Shy and Sky now in OWL (Although Sky was a while back)
Im very interested in skewed
sky was s1 dragons?
I think he went under a different name
yeah S1 SHD
shoutout to los angeles gladiators for being dumb and accidentally giving away free copies of overwatch
?
2 weeks ago iirc, they opened up a site where you could enter information and upload a receipt to get a free copy of overwatch
origins edition if I'm not wrong
the thing is, they forgot to do any kind of verification and so you could enter random info
and still get a copy
it was also supposed to be capped at 7500 copies but it ended up being at least 10K copies
Will I be eligible for contenders skins while watching through phone?๐ค
if ur accs are linked yea
Nah you have to watch on the contenders website
Only league games show up on the app annoyingly
Even though the app is dog shit so I don't care that much but come on blizzard pls
Ta1yo can play the new dps
but they have nero striker
i also think they should get a backup OT
Nero plays all the proj dps
New dps
bc they have glister ans for hitscan
2 probably
Glister is probably just going to be their zarya player
He is cracked out the wazzoo on that hero
Well choi'szarya is only high-mid tier
he has a better zarya than glister
Not true
Choi? Breaks?
ur acting like its impossible
Choi dominates the competition
It isnt for anybody else
But it is for choi
But seroiusly
Choi literally went an entire season without touching zarya
And he only played the hero a little this season
So idk
We never really see them discuss injuries on sfs
I don't mean they ignore them
they're just that good
the dps are so plentiful it doesn't affect them if one is hurt
and for tanks, well choi just doesn't seem to be hurt
Donโt worry guys, Choi wont have to play Zarya because double shield will still be meta the next season 
My point is that glister has potential to ne a really good zarya player if he got back into it
Crusty can coach someone into anything
Glister could be the new sinatraa
Now that I think of it, he could
zarya, yeah
doomfist, probably
sombra, sure
genji, does it already
tracer, sounds about right, but it doesn't matter cause striker
and he plays widow n stuff
ahaha sbb has a new account named
"seouldynasty"
Honestly instead of having glister practice zarya why not just let choi polish his up
I don't see a world where zarya will be better than sigma
rein zarya would still be way better on choi super
isn't double bubble kind of a thing atm? Isn't that comp usually always around at some point? I would imagine zarya is a useful hero to have
but idk if she is essential, but as decay showed, a good zarya can do anything
I know decay is a goat dps player but that zarya was some top tier shit ngl
would wonder how he would be if he joined the league as an off tank
instead of dps when he first started
their are a lotta off tanks, and even a few Mt's, who could honestly be nutty hitscans
I mean
why have rein zarya when u can run smurf orisa choi sig
idk if double bubble is a thing
decay did play zarya when he joined the league
he was on glads
he was like this season's sparkle but hitscan, but he was stuck on zarya because goats
but like as we saw sigma or a really coordinated rush dive was better idk
Double bubble appears to be a thing when Brig Zen is a thing
Bubble just better against that support line than matrix
gibraltar at esm was double bubble if I recall correctly
which I usually don't but I think I remember that lmao
esm?
Shanghai Masters
oh yeah
Did anyone else notice that the spark has a Chinese and a Korean tank line
yeah
nearly 1/2 of each nationality along role lines
but they have 3 korean dps and one chinese
everywhere else it's 2 and 2
The next grand finals/ tournament finals
we need a hype video
like back in apex
smh
Upload Shanghai masters to YouTube please
Just putting this out there, due to the fact that dva is never getting nerfed, rein zarya is always going to be overshadowed by rein dva
unless zarya gets these massive buffs
So choi only really needs to play sigma and D.Va
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At first we thought Jjonak was returning alone but there is one other, coming back home.
Hope
Pine
or flow3r
Pine nene or meko
not flow3r
probably not
if they want a flex, they get libero
rightt
i doubt libero bc he was released with sbb anamo
it has to be someone who left after s1 or s2
pine meko or ark is my guess
ark retired? oh didnt know
According to sources, the New York Excelsior have re-signed Off-Tank Dong-Wook "BiaNcA" Kim.
hmm
yakpung bianca
Bianca was the best player on nyxl this year
Mano better tbh
Ye
So
BiaNcA has alot of potential to be great
Yakpung is solid
They've ivy and gwanboong also
Jjonak is fine
a good tankline is the beginning of a good team
I just realized, Chipsa, by joining the fusion, and made his 50k+72k dollars (contract+prize money)=122k dollars, by playing one game
lmao
The bag
Big brain
man may be useless, but he knows how to get the money
Chipsa is smartest of them all
yakpung should be ๐
dude you know how dogman said he thinks fate is better than fearless
like
He probably thinks he's more consistent
his ceiling is likely lower
but then reddit circle jerk just be like
"yeah i wont be surprised if fearless is the weak link in dallas"
like

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CC vs BH is the only battle we're looking for
they didn't even win their region doe
Yeah but they were easily the most dominant team throughout this year (in eu).
^
Zzz
?
are you sure
wouldn't them getting slapped around in gauntlet look really bad for spitfire
Yeah, if BH did bad in gauntlet people would question spitfire greatly
Does this mean Fischer makes it to gauntlet twice now?
well, I guess other coaches have
but still
I think they will try hard
spitfire already announced the BH coaches so
also u cant use recency bias to show whether a team deserves it
they dominated all year
OWWC 2020 Covid edition when
isnt
contenders sa stream supposed to be like 8 hours
it never goes close to the amount of hours so i have to watch more and more streams jfdospfoidsogf
holy holy
Who did bh lose to?
obey alliance
I just realized, with moth gone from sfs, we no longer get to see those videos of choi and smurf just randomly wrestling on the bean bag behind him while he plays OW, and screaming
:(
Luke "Lukemino" Fish is an American player currently playing for Odyssey.
bruh I found da man in 1k gun game
how epic
ooo
I was in jakes tryhard ffa once
he smacked us all on pharah
before her movement speed buff
ooo
dogman joined my ana paintball game once
smacked all of us
he literally just got like 10 kills straight potg and just skurt skurt
yee that guy was gm in all three roles so I am assuming it was really him lol
only recognized it because I was reading odysseys liquidpedia yesterday
We're going the FOCCing distance.
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ZP, Avast and Hex
classic levy line

Even without context, I figured it was a random who left straight after
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Does this mean the mayhem announce their roster?
and the valiant announce their new flex dps
and the reign finalize their roster?
Mayhem are going to def announce before the winter ball
Valiant and reign might not
At least valiant
Are they just going to run ashe tracer the entire time?
I mean ksp and shax are good, but against potentially a top 5 roster in the mayhem, they need to be more adaptable
Idk man
They can try and force it
It wont work but eh
They're probably currently trialing players
Or signed someone
Who knows
They wont rush signing a player for some mid off season tournament
Maybe the matches are just an excuse to release their roster
Maybe a korean?
Rascal's on the market if they are willing to cough up the big bucks
They prob will
See
But I dont want them too
I want them to sign fissure
There are almost no bad options
Ok hear me out
drop bqb and grab nenne
Nah
for zarya
nenne had a top 5 zarya
He was rated higher than decay
They can prob undo the shit that IMT did
I trust kuki
No you prefer nenne over bqb bc of zarya
Because aside from hitscan you also have that
Dude
So not only are you getting an insane hitscan, if need be you also have a top zarya
Nenne needs serious rehabilitation though
yeah
IMT fucked every NYXL player up
He's a better pick over bqb
Ehh
IMT fucked 8t
But
Nenne also had an injury
So that effected him also
Tru
Its prob bc Im a huge nyxl fan that I have a high opinion of them
I just like to remember his peak
Bqb is good
Yeah
As a fan you need to remember the peak but also understand that they could easily drop off or improve drastically
I think
Hopefully the second one
@staze
Hopefully
They wouldnโt need to utilise nenne for Zarya if they picked up a good OT so
pog
my friends college team partnered with da bois
I know where I'm going to college
Lmao you're crazy if you think nenne is better than bqb right now
Nenne is so bad right now his ashe is worse than sbbs and his widow worse than libero
yo who is the best brig in the league atm
I would imagine it had a higher view count then than now
Because it was the most boring shit to watch
Yeah higher then than now
is ljg the best brig or was it like twilight or something I don't remember
I don't watch a lot of brig
Chara or Alarm imo
aight
Yeah
Kris is pretty good too, and twilight and LJG
i dont think LJG was the best at any of the heros he played
shaz > every other support player
I think brig was like ljg only thing that made him a star support lmao
I think he was just upper mid at the rest right?
or am I thinking of someone else
he got his role star mainly for this lucio
everyone thought it was insane
when in reality it was just bc apac teams werent good enough to deal w it
No it was insane
Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a super fanboy
He just wasnt playing his best in the gf bracket
Philly put alarm on brig for the summer showdown because in that comp โbrig is more importantโ
Which I guess was true for them cause their main objective was just shut down sp9rlke
The best brig is kris
Or twilight
Ljg sucks
His team was able to cover up his feeding for most of the season because they outclassed the other teams in apac
LJG was kinda like the bumper of support
way too aggressive but his team was so good that they could protect him
@fringe bronze hey sorry, I can't answer right now - we're filming this live
ohhh no worries... when is it over?
Actually curious because now that it was mentioned I might want to try and play for it
(world cup)
!!when this podcast ending
soonโข๏ธ
World cup isn't going ahead this year, no updates on 2021 due to regional servers and travel complications with the rest of the world
Unfortunate
you can support the closest thing to the World Cup this year, Contenders Gauntlet
bringing together the best of two different divisions next weekend
When this is over would you be down to talk about some of this with me after the podcast? really don't know that much about OW esports but would be interested
everyone here can quite adequately answer some of your questions here
it's usually busy around the time I go to work
(in 2 hours)
also for more specifics there is the /r/OWL discord
their general chat is happy to clear up anything there, they answer a lot of questions too
I wouldn't jump straight into OWL though, would need to a smaller thing first
That's why I was looking at world cup
OWL isn't really scouting for players without a strong contenders experience or very consistent high performance in ladder in the past 3 seasons
whenever there is news about the world cup, keep an eye out for your local team committee that's usally formed in the middle of the year
granted, i don't expect any due to COVID times
That's fair I suppose, a team I was on made it to top 16 in OD and that was a pretty scuffed team anyway... and I've hit 4500 last 2 seasons... is that high enough?
I've hit 4500 last 2 seasons... is that high enough?
alright then next you need to make yourself present, this one is just hit or miss
ah, I have class... I'd love to talk about this more later for sure though
what is going on
haha sure thing, just think about it this way: nobody goes out of their way to sign Colourhex without a good reason
strimming
colourhex? is he a player?
ah okay
#video-content the link is still active
(I honestly don't know that much about leauge, only what some friends have told me)
well now is the best time to pick up the league, if you want to be ready for the pro scene come OW2
we're mostly working it out together to see what the community thinks coming into 2021
benbest?
ameng
blasphemy
Was erster on atlanta in S2?
yes'
The question is 2nd place Ben best or poko
anyone on chengdu
if you're judging by appearance, the french are rated too highly
Who else could compete with them
Have you SEEN benbest's jawline?
okay but there might be a couple bias towards the best of the east
look at this team
and tell me you didn't lose
at the first panel
also what's going with sf sock's dps ๐งฆ
It's just making room for good talent
Glister
Nero
Striker
ANS
Super
can't complain if there's no new talent from china
Ta1yo
if they all suffer from food poisoning except viol2t
they can clone him onto dps
and resign nomy for main tank
they'll do the fluid roster like they tried in 2019
not sure why they picked up glister
sbb is the sexiest
yeah shock had moments where they could crack even harder
and it's not that close
yveltal is pretty attractive to me
their biggest dip was at the start of online play vs glads and valiant
but as a team though
which they lost on the same week
chengdu is hot
fr fr
fr
What, you don't want CEO Sigma skin for Cr0ng?
https://twitter.com/GZCharge/status/1298187510393126913
boss photoshoot with the owl players
why does his head look photoshopped on
it's the turtle neck
to go back to the shock stuff
it will be ans mainly
glister to sub when he needs a break
Depends on meta
double hitscan will be ans glister
double hitscan will be ans striker*
nah
Why though, striker has the better tracer by a long shot
whyy would u play glister on tracer over striker
only thing i can see glister playing is cree
Choihyobin has no equal
they could get someone just to sub
Striker has good widow
you'd sign to coach them into that dominant defensive role
bc choi will need a break eventually
but the off-tank pool is so low
I think they might run Glister zarya for rush/zarya comps
again
Choi has gone two years strong
choi has better zarya
there is no demand to sub out your anchors in the roster
Mans got a solid mental
12 man shock roster
yeah but choi may get sick for example
its the only role in which they dont have a sub
choi may get sick for example
i don't think it was going to happen during lockdown, so i don't see that happening?
but
say they should have a sub
choihyobin may have a godlike immune system
the cost of having a bench off-tank who needs to be trained into the Shock system
general illnesses, food poisoning etc are v common
well you saw what happened when they chose not to play rascal on genji and put in Super instead
By that logic shouldn't every team have a 12 man roster so they have a backup for every player incase they get sick?
they can do emergency swaps with their existing players and do just fine
mmm
you don't but you can
Charge did that for hotba by signing Bischu
they fielded him when their B team was able to smash boston last year at the 3-0
Also glister is not going to be playing in double hitscan let us be real
backup for the 2021 mvp
If ans has depression issues again
after ans having a breakdown last year, seems like a good precaution
i mean hot take but under crusty glisters tracer can get up to strikers level
doesn't glister prefer hitscan
No
i think he prefers hitscan
and with nero and glister on the roster I see no place for ta1yo
he can play genji doom etc
or he mightve been forced into it
yeah he was forced into it
I'd think so yeah
I mean like personally himself
yeah i see no place for ta1yo
he likes to play projectile more
japanese player
Ta1yo is for learning all new ow2 dps heroes
ta1yo is for rascal 2 i guess
Whenever ans needs a break, I feel they'll slot glister in
nero is more rascal 2 doe
ta1yo will never be rascal 2
crusty
^
i mean shock kind of panic signed him for the genji meta so
if hes benched the entire season then whatever
i dont think they panicked signed
he got free money
nah
That theory makes no sense ngl
not panic sign
i mean they struggled during the genji meta
but like super had a better genji than ta1yo
and they needed someone to fill sinatraa and architect's shoes anyway
Why panic sign a t2 hitscan in the middle of the season for one hero
When rascal is a thing
signing ta1yo was happening no matter genji meta or not
they should sign pine, don " me
no
I was more concerned he wouldn't continue with OW if he wasn't picked up this year
Ta1yo has done so much to represent the japanese OW competitive scene
Letter Number
whos alphayi
and who is cola
ah no
shock sign every DPS
let
let's narrow it down
Ace is pretty good
none of the others
yeah he's on Talon now
he was on talon recently
franchised league is actually so dumb
Talon stonks have gone up since they left Pacific Contenders
It's actually so bad for the scene
what is the point of pacific contenders
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is it like taiwan?
For me, a franchised league is not bad, they just should leave T2 the fuck alone
Instead of limiting it
third party tournaments without restrictions
there's just so many talented players and teams stuck in t2 because franchise
wasnt talon korean tho?
just regional tournaments there like ACE have to deal with a lot of legalities with competition money from a lot of SEA countries
the level of play would be much much higher if franchised wasn't a thing
If you just had t1 for every region
talon was predominantly mixed asian roster
and THEN have a gauntlet for all the t1 teams of all regions
but kind of moved onto all korean
Franchised makes them more money silly
good luck selling that to them if they can't make a world cup happen in this climate
South America is poor, OCE is poor, the other region is poor
@next mesa so korea dicking on everyone else
South American Contenders is a joke lmao
KR/CN only now
China is having a good time
if korea is the strongest region let it be
enough to have english livestreams from monkey bubble
wdym franchised league
nenne to houston when
@tidal ridge like right now u need millions of dollars for buy in
ah thats what i thought
such a joke
Activision earns billions in revenue
But no
5 million prize pool for owl

top prize is only 2 million
I mean the players get paid salary and the league makes shit money
I feel like Blizzard is planning something for Contenders
owl legit needs like years of winning to be profitable
they better
Wait 1.5 million, 2nd place 750k
you know what would be cool, if the best t2 teams actually have a chance to get into t1
this doesn't include the cash bonuses during the tournament block
prove their worth
too much info is obscured between players and the teams
wasn't it rumored that apac will have t2 teams in tournaments
still only a rumor
you get into talks about signing krystal to boston uprising in 2019
why are they not in the league
that's gonna be fucking hilarious
contendies players come into a owl tournament and just slap bottom tier teams like titans and boston
I am surprised pro players still want to play pro overwatch
easy
@next mesa this reindeer pfp update is underrated
gotta make your face smol

your waifu doesn't know you exist and your fav owl player is retiring pog
League dies in Season 5 because teams don't have a contract with blizzard anymore
Dreamhaven will come with an Overwatch equivalent
become faker
eazy
calm down, first try to get out of silver in overwatch
I hope dreamhaven comes up with some good shit
I think OW2 will be out before season 5
Im only interested in like fps doe
I am waiting for updates
I have send two emails
No reaction
They haven't had a reaction on Twitter since the 29th or 30th of September
HELLOOOOOO
if apex got to do production
dude ogn is ltierally banger
Ye
and blizzard just pays them money
so much better
god i wanna fuck ameng
uh

no
Not in terms of playerbase
o
in terms of players it's still solid
Its slowing down
10m a month?
and not doing as good as its prime days
ya
ogn shut down
shut up alarm was a mediocro support player
OGN kinda dug a hole for themselves
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Bri
yeah alarm wasn't even good
*bro
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my bap > alarm and twilight combined
yeah I mean
also i just wanna remind yall how stacked the spark dps line is this year
if I actually joined owl
godsb, architect and seominsoo
viol2t wouldn't have a job
yes
sooooooooooooo
that's legit a godlike dps lineup
I just ๐
ikr
but here you are, simping over a player who's gonna retire
lmao
ok yes
Alarm isn't retiring any time soon lol

