esports-discussion

[slow kraken]

Make her unselectable

[next mesa]

If they somehow just come up with widow 2.0 I'll slap Jeff in the face

[tawdry hamlet]

if they add more snipers and less fps/melee characters I will crine

[hot heart]

I think OW 2 just makes a lot of heroes extremely obsolete

OW did that over time

Adding heroes every half a year

But 6+ heroes at one time might potentially make half of the hero roster we have now unviable and redundant later on

[next mesa]

That's just the nature of competitice play

There's always gonna be a meta

[digital cloud]

less widow though

that would be good

[next mesa]

More genji

Bitch if i don't see one genji meta a season-

[digital cloud]

just go back to the genji meta of early 2020

ez

10 second nanoblades

[next mesa]

I can't believe there are people who think genji metas are boring

Literally peak fucking overwatch my guy

[digital cloud]

they did get a bit stale after being meta for so long

but then so did goats

and double shield

[next mesa]

It was like barely a month bro

[digital cloud]

not that one

[noble nexus]

yeah but people mald about him being viable

[digital cloud]

the original

[next mesa]

Oh

[digital cloud]

you know, when he was meta for like two years

[next mesa]

That one

Og dive?

[digital cloud]

and prior to dive too

he used to have good poke

[noble nexus]

dive is the best meta imo

monkey dva best meta

[digital cloud]

back when jjonak was king

[noble nexus]

also unpopular opinion but goats was fun to watch

[digital cloud]

it was when the goats was good

it hurt my eyes when it was bad

[noble nexus]

well yeah when you watch shitty teams in the mirror matchup it's not fun

but I feel like you could say the same for a lot of metas

[silk frost]

btw SixFeet isn't on Guangzhou's academy team anymore

I think he's going into coaching

[earnest leaf]

Genji meta in owl was boring

It was farm blade, bongo halt blade

Rinse repeat

[raw ermine]

I found it highly satisfying, seeing the genji's dashing through the entire team farming blade super quick

[noble nexus]

genji is more fun to watch than the entire double shield meta

[tawdry hamlet]

biased toronto fan

wit da agilities carry

was strange seeing houston beat florida

strange meta

[raw ermine]

I was thinking sparkle more

[noble nexus]

yeah sparkle swagged out in that meta

[earnest leaf]

just owl genji meta was so hardcore flowchart

in a sense it was like just doing halt dragon over and over

but I guarantee that if it was that, but played exactly like blade halt people would hate it cuz hanzo not flashy

and sword man go vroom

[next mesa]

Exactly sword man go vroom is cool so shut

[earnest leaf]

never

I just want to see big german man swing hammer

[next mesa]

Ok that's also very epic

If there ever was a rein zarya ana genji meta

I will literally nut

[earnest leaf]

Rein zarya genji mcree ana lucio

gimme

[next mesa]

Yes daddy please

[noble nexus]

now that's peak overwatch

if only rein was a good hero

😭

[next mesa]

Revert shatter nerf at least

[noble nexus]

do anything to make him good ffs

he gets pounded by half the hero roster cuz of cc

[cobalt spoke]

Do people know how many heroes would have to be bad all at the same time for this to happen?

[earnest leaf]

Simple, nerf bapt brig sigma ashe widow

and nerf ball

[cobalt spoke]

No

[earnest leaf]

Then buff lucio and rein

[cobalt spoke]

You have to nerf moira mei and reaper too

Lets not forget sombra either

[earnest leaf]

just let me dream man

[cobalt spoke]

No >:)

[earnest leaf]

Getting rein zarya and ana lucio to be meta isn't hard

it's narrowing down the dps that is difficult

[cobalt spoke]

They wont ever nerf moira though

[earnest leaf]

You just slap the strong points of dive and double shield, and rush can waltz in

[cobalt spoke]

Because she's not broken, but is better than ana in brawl

Ana was only good during rein d.va meta because nano rein was too strong because of rein steadfast overbuffs

[tawdry hamlet]

Nano Rein still strong, just not at top level

[wanton birch]

it would be cool if a team would hint at a player by saying what contenders team they are on and tell people when they are going to play next

that way you build hype in a cool way and you gt people to watch the games to find out who it is, while supporting t2

[shell forum]

ok serious question

[cobalt spoke]

What

[shell forum]

if striker didnt get mvp who would

[cobalt spoke]

Grand finals mvp?

[shell forum]

yes

[cobalt spoke]

Viol2t

[next mesa]

Violet

[hot heart]

Ye

[next mesa]

I honestly still think viol2t should've got it

[cobalt spoke]

Viol2t was making plays all game

[shell forum]

do you think that it was stolen?

[cobalt spoke]

Nah

Striker popped off

At every moment

[hot heart]

Yeah i think viol2t deserved it more

But

[next mesa]

Nah

[earnest leaf]

Viol2t overall was insane, but striker is a giant reason in why they won every koth round

[next mesa]

Not every map specifically

[hot heart]

Both are deserved

[next mesa]

Yeah i just think that

Viol2t performed all rounds

[hot heart]

Striker kinda just guaranteed a map win

[next mesa]

While striker was only like

On the koth maps

Otherwise tbh the dps was

About the same

Maybe even seoul favor

[earnest leaf]

Outside of koth, striker and ans were pretty even vs fits and profit

for widow/hanzo

[shell forum]

yeah

alright

[next mesa]

But it was like a

Viol2t was just better than creative

[shell forum]

thank you for the info

[next mesa]

Creative was awesome

But viol2t is just

Viol2t

[earnest leaf]

the chad zen flanking and winning 2v1s

[next mesa]

😭

[shell forum]

hes so insane

[next mesa]

Honestly

Tobi reacted too slow

He pulled out the glock way too late

[shell forum]

yeah

[hot heart]

If you had to make a squad out of the best players of all time in OW who would be on it?

Like

At their peak

Who showed the most skill

On each role

[next mesa]

Prime lunatic hai

Okay but like let's be honest peak is now

[hot heart]

Yeah

But who would be the best in each role rn

I feel like on some roles it isnt clear cut

On others

[next mesa]

Yes

[hot heart]

Its easy

[next mesa]

On flex support it's viol2t

One person?

[hot heart]

Yeah

[next mesa]

Okay dps is profit

[hot heart]

Viol2t is undisputed tbh

[next mesa]

Off tank void

Hitscan maybe ans

[hot heart]

HS

Yeah maybe

[next mesa]

Wait actually

[hot heart]

He genuinely has the best widow in OWL i think

[next mesa]

Fits is like ans but with a sombra

Idk bro diem

He's def very close doe

I think a lot of the top widows

[hot heart]

Ans is gonna get better

[next mesa]

Their mechanics are actually pretty similar

On the same level

[hot heart]

I think ans' peak is higher than diems

Last year was a rookie year for him

What the fuck is he gonna play like in 2021

[noble nexus]

yeah he had little to not competitive experience coming into this season

[tawdry hamlet]

Diem is a one trick tho isn't he?

[hot heart]

He's the scariest HS someone could go up against i think

[noble nexus]

and his positioning was bad

[hot heart]

Diem has a great mccree widow and ashe

[balmy wolf]

diem is great buts hes inflexible

so lip is played

[tawdry hamlet]

Ah, I always saw lip on cree so I never noticed

[next mesa]

True

[balmy wolf]

lip is on the same level expect on long range hitscan, and also has a great sombra

[hot heart]

Lips cree is just incredible

[tawdry hamlet]

I never see much talk about lip, it's always mvp fleta or god widow diem

[balmy wolf]

he was up there in the mvp spot imo

[hot heart]

Lip is like ans in a way

[balmy wolf]

his sombra was the best for a while until heesu showed up

[hot heart]

He's flexible and very moldable

[tawdry hamlet]

Heesu is just budget striker

[hot heart]

I wouldn't be surprised if lip just became the best Dps in 2021

Or ans

[tawdry hamlet]

Losing fury Heesu and ivy is kind of gross for philly

They picked up like shockwave which is cool, but is he going to win them championships? Probably not

[hot heart]

Ej

*eh

Shockwave has a lot of potential

Even with an ass team like vancouver around him he managed to be a top echo and widow player

[balmy wolf]

well at least they have a strong duo for double hitscan

[hot heart]

And showed some flashes on other heroes

If philly sign rascal

That would be insane

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah that's true, and they have a top tier fs still but they dumped their best players, their tank line was probably second or third best in owl

If toronto just spent a little more money and didn't sign beast they could have had a real roster ngl

[balmy wolf]

wdym they dont have a real roster

its looking pretty good already

[hot heart]

See

Philly need to do something at OT

And i swear to god if they sign mekO

[noble nexus]

they still have Poko?

[hot heart]

Yeah

[noble nexus]

Poko isn't bad

he's nut fury

[hot heart]

They're only real option is jjanu

[noble nexus]

but he isn't bad

[hot heart]

Everything else is solid

But you need a superstar OT

[tawdry hamlet]

Toronto has Michelle and Heesu and SADO, the rest just look meh unless im forgetting someone

Oh and ansoon

[hot heart]

Aztac

[raw ermine]

tbh I think they could get away with poko

[noble nexus]

same

they've made worse decisions this offseason

like not keeping heesu 😭

[hot heart]

Idk man

Against the likes of Choi or void

[tawdry hamlet]

Heesu is limited by his hero pool imo, he really showed it in the playoffs when shock dismantled him

[hot heart]

You're making an extremely dangerous bet that poko could match them

Or even come close

[tropic herald]

arent philly trying for GaeBulSsi

[hot heart]

Who's he?

[balmy wolf]

an OT

[hot heart]

Yeah but like

[tropic herald]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/GaeBullSsi

[shell forum]

damn

[hot heart]

Who did he play for

O

WGS

[silk frost]

his bidding apparently went up to 500k if I recall

[next mesa]

Maybe like

He's like the mag of ots

[shell forum]

damn

[earnest leaf]

Shockwave will lead philly to 2nd place in the grand finals next year

[silk frost]

second?

they're going all the way with cockwave

not dropping a map

[tidal ridge]

shockwave will lead philly to grand finals in which they will force the producers to increase the map count and will destroy shock 40-0

[silk frost]

of course

[earnest leaf]

god imagine shock wins again

[tidal ridge]

while playing support with only mano

super's ego 📈

[earnest leaf]

also i'mma say it now

dallas overrated

Atleast they upgraded in terms of winston

since they are paris 2.0, and nosmite was a trash winston

But benbest honestly did pretty well in rein/orisa metas

[balmy wolf]

i really doubt the element mystic that crushed contenders and won gauntlet is gonna have a problem being top 5 overall

[earnest leaf]

We'll have to see how much of an upgrade fearless is over benbest, and jecse over fdgod

[balmy wolf]

this is really like the runaway that got picked up titans

people underestimate them and then people the team is cracked and starts rolling

maybe not to the level that the titans did

but close

[earnest leaf]

yea but dallas is mostly what paris was last year outside of a few changes

It's why I think it's gonna come down to how jecse and fearless perform

[next mesa]

rapel just hit rank 1 in korea

👀

[earnest leaf]

that was pretty cool

Wonder if him and viol2t are gonna have a back and forth

like when it was ojee and viol2t going back and forth

[next mesa]

ojee?

[earnest leaf]

yea

[next mesa]

who that lmao my bad

[earnest leaf]

him and viol2t kept going back and forth for rank 1

[next mesa]

ohh

[earnest leaf]

na MS in t2

People rate him super highly but idk

[cobalt spoke]

I'm gonna be more suprised if they don't 🤨

[hot heart]

No doubt dallas does well

But the question is

How well

Imo they either become philly and take 2nd place

Or just get like

Top 5 overall

At worst

[next mesa]

shock might not win if they dont sign libero

conclusion: fucking sign libero

[earnest leaf]

Tru

[hot heart]

For shock rn the only good option is libero

Or go out and yoink fleta

[tidal ridge]

dallas roster triggers my OCD and i dont know why

[hot heart]

Somehow

[next mesa]

they are instantly favourites if they sign libero

[cobalt spoke]

I think shock already is

[hot heart]

Yeah

[cobalt spoke]

But idk

[hot heart]

If SHD signed someone like sado

I think they'd have a good argument too

[cobalt spoke]

Ehh

[hot heart]

But as it stands

[cobalt spoke]

Smurf and super >

[hot heart]

Shock is the best

H u h

I get smurf

Not super

Just no

[cobalt spoke]

I mean as like swapping out for the role

As a rein player super is better

[hot heart]

Yeah

[cobalt spoke]

And as an everything else player smurf is better

[hot heart]

Okay

I feel like sado is just a bit worse than smurf

[cobalt spoke]

He is

I feel like he can be better than what weve seen this year

[hot heart]

Sado under someone like moon or crusty could have shown some great play

[cobalt spoke]

Well as it is the Shanghai roster is almost finished right?

[hot heart]

It is

Already finished

[cobalt spoke]

Huh

[hot heart]

Though that might change

Depending on scrims

[next mesa]

I dont know

[cobalt spoke]

The main team im looking at to be 2nd favorites is soeul

[next mesa]

seoul baby

depends if they sign jjanu doe

[cobalt spoke]

If they can be consistent they might do some things

[hot heart]

I feel like HZ is 2nd place

[cobalt spoke]

HZ?

[hot heart]

Yeah

[cobalt spoke]

Idk alot about them

[hot heart]

Also

[cloud latch]

everyone is so stacked

[hot heart]

GZ and Chengdu making some pretty nice moves

[balmy wolf]

spark got the best chinese tank line

[hot heart]

Im really happy with chengdus final roster

[earnest leaf]

this year has so many teams that shouldn't be shit tier

[hot heart]

Yeah

If you got guxue

Also

[cobalt spoke]

All teams that were already good are 📈

[hot heart]

Rush said taoyaki could be the best MT next year

[cobalt spoke]

Idk about that one

[hot heart]

Yeah

[cobalt spoke]

Smurf and fearless exist

[balmy wolf]

of course he would, he coached him

[hot heart]

But its really high praise

[balmy wolf]

gotta make him look good

[hot heart]

Even then

[cobalt spoke]

Caprisun?

[hot heart]

Yes

[cobalt spoke]

K

[hot heart]

But shanghais dps line

[cobalt spoke]

Yea

[hot heart]

When they picked up erster

[cobalt spoke]

They are bill dipperly

[hot heart]

It reminded me of shock picking up twighlight

[hot heart]

Like

Holy fuck

You already have fleta

And now erster

Shits unfair

[cobalt spoke]

Yea

But about twilight

I honestly think he's been the best ana in the league

[hot heart]

Hmm

Yeah

Alarm also

Extremely good

Alarm and twighlight are on the same level imo

[cobalt spoke]

Nah

Not in ana play

[balmy wolf]

no their about the same

[hot heart]

Alarms Reaction times are fucking insane

[bright cypress]

alarm even said that sparkle was inting and thats why he played so well that day

[hot heart]

Sp9rk1e always ints

[balmy wolf]

alarm is top 3 in all flex support heroes, theres no doubt on it

[hot heart]

Yeah

[silk frost]

Dude Twilight is a nasty ana

[hot heart]

He is

[cobalt spoke]

Best*

[silk frost]

like Alarm is still top 3 at her but

Twilight is a freak

[hot heart]

If i had to rank them

[cobalt spoke]

Twilight has just gotten to play ana and brig the whole season

[hot heart]

Yes

Twighlight would be 1

But

I think alarm is very comparable

For example

If shock traded twighlight for alarm

It'd be a sidegrade

[earnest leaf]

alarm and viol2t on the same team is illegal

[hot heart]

There really isnt that big a difference

[hot heart]

Watch shock pickup alarm Tommorow

[earnest leaf]

god the amount of money to take alarm from philly would be immense

[hot heart]

Probably like

600k-700k or some shit

[earnest leaf]

that's probably too much

[hot heart]

I mean honestly

[earnest leaf]

I doubt many players make over 200k

[hot heart]

Yeah

But i think alarm makes at least 400k

He's consistently top tier

And still has alot of room to grow

He's def worth the big bucks

[worn falcon]

I think he was consistent but, like sinatraa got wat 150k as rookie?

[hot heart]

It was s1

[worn falcon]

And considering alarm was for a season

I would bet its more in the 200k, but teams can pay much

[sullen berry]

If its "too much to let go" and someone fronts up the cash, then the real mistake is putting a price on it

[worn falcon]

And on the other hand dunno if were overestimating Alarm, gotta see how he plays this time with a whole different team

[next mesa]

whole different team

well

[worn falcon]

Same as Fielder after playing with 200 ms

Mano and Poko would be different than Sado and Fury

Same as having cockwave over Heesu and Ivy

Plus different coach

[tidal ridge]

why would nyxl drop libero

[gilded dagger]

He like one of the best flex dps’s

[cobalt spoke]

Shock might not even sign a flex dps player

Idk

[tidal ridge]

crusty will play flex dps

[gilded dagger]

Well they did drop rascal

I mean if they pick up liberal that BIG

*thats

[tidal ridge]

liberal

lol

[stuck radish]

its likely smart to not have a flex dps main

non hitscan metas never last

and plus you just have striker anyways

[next mesa]

that's just not smart

[stuck radish]

during the genji meta they almost beat paris when they had one of the best genjis in the league (arguably)

as long as a dps doesnt become as absurdly OP as genji did, shock is fine

[true hound]

ok but he wasn’t OP

Even still having a flex dps is good

And they def have the money

[stuck radish]

but why when striker demolishes anyone in the game

no matter what hero the enemy plays

[tidal ridge]

shock got money but none for rascal

[true hound]

u still need flexibility lol

He can’t ALWAYS play tracer

Granted tracer is in the meta a lot

[stuck radish]

unless tracer becomes unplayable he can play tracer into anything

[true hound]

maybe ur right maybe they will never ever nerf burst hitscan

[stuck radish]

there isnt a comp where a good tracer wont dominate

[true hound]

hanzo brig junk 🙏

[stuck radish]

nah

tracer destroys all 3 of those

(if brig stays at 200 hp)

[true hound]

yeah combine them together it’s absurdly aids to play into tho

not impossible just ass

[stuck radish]

junk is stupid easy to 1 clip

same with hanzo

i dont think it would be that bad

[true hound]

all that spam damage

is really fucking ass

[stuck radish]

yes

[true hound]

junks dumbass bombs rng u and force recall

sadge

[trail perch]

I think shock could play ashe tracer double shield all season no matter the meta and still place top 5

[next mesa]

idk about winning doe

and that's their goal

[noble nexus]

the shock have had a lot of meta mishaps this season and still won

[next mesa]

not the genji won doe

[noble nexus]

well yeah genji was busted and they just abused striker's tracer to the finals

[next mesa]

well

[stuck radish]

if a dps doesnt ever get genji level OP again

[next mesa]

striker's tracer was good enough

[stuck radish]

shock can definitely just stay tracer

and win

[next mesa]

to compete

the thing is

sparkle genji at the time was just better

more impact

okay but with so many new heroes coming out

[stuck radish]

because genji was op as hell

[next mesa]

like you never nkow what's gonna happen

okay he was

[stuck radish]

if genji wasnt as op as he was

shock wouldve won summer showdown easily

but no blizzard's smoothbrain balancing team

[hot heart]

Same with grandfinals

[true hound]

it wasn’t smoothbrain fool

It was the best thing to happen to OW

but they reverted it

!!!

[next mesa]

Fax

[noble nexus]

yeah they made him an ult bot for a few weeks

[true hound]

nah they made him a murdering machine

they made him an ult bot for 2 years ):<

u could actually flank and delete squishies and tanks

it was nice

[next mesa]

Yes

Blade was actually not that good

[true hound]

best patch ever

[next mesa]

Playing against lamp brig and sigma and halt

[true hound]

When I saw the experimental a tear of joy came to my face

[noble nexus]

they reverted it after like 3 weeks cuz genji isn't allowed to be good

[true hound]

sad

[noble nexus]

it was kinda bullshit

[true hound]

but tracer is

sadge

[noble nexus]

but he was a lil broken

instead of toning it down they just fucking pummelled him into the ground with nerfs tho

[next mesa]

They should've kept the fire rate

Revert damage

[noble nexus]

yeah

the fire rate made him so much more fun

[hot heart]

Genji being meta was just fun

I mean

The constanf nanoblades weren't

But watching it and playing in a match on genji was extremely fun

[next mesa]

Ana wasn't even used

Oh you mean in ranked

[earnest leaf]

the meta in owl legit boiled down to bongo blade lol

You bongo, pop blade, halt genji slashes through

atleast it gaves us the clip of eqo clutching tf up

just to lose 2 minutes later

[balmy wolf]

Man I hope we can get out of this meta rn

Make main tanks great again

I need to see Super pop off on this last ride

[hot heart]

Dude

Remember the mei mcree meta in the start of s3

I loved that

Rein d.va

Lucio ana

[silk frost]

oh double shield, the meta that made Genji monotonous

[noble nexus]

if there isn't a single rein meta for super's last season I'll just start malding

constantly

all day every day

[hot heart]

Imagine crusty just fields super every match

Honestly if smurf were sick super is decent on other heroes

[earnest leaf]

People forget he won owwc on orisa

So his orisa is decent enough

His winston isn't that bad from what I hear

[noble nexus]

his winston was good before they played smurf

[hot heart]

Yeah

At worst

Super is decent at every tank hero

Other than his sig

Its just bad

[noble nexus]

nah super could start over choi for sig but he's humble

[hot heart]

Fr

[forest raven]

Ever think about how pros can stream and talk about hentai while casually being in top 10

[balmy wolf]

Yeah Super has a really good Orisa, Smurf is just an inhuman

Winston could use some work though

How is Smurf’s Reinhardt?

[noble nexus]

I'm not sure we've seen Smurf's rein often

but I don't remember it being that good

not better than super's I'm sure

[forest raven]

Super is the best rein in the world so

No need for smurf to grind rein

[noble nexus]

exactly

smurf is insane at all the other tanks they need

[forest raven]

[noble nexus]

except zarya

but we don't speak on the shock's zarya player after sinatraa

[forest raven]

Smurfs winston and orisa is fucking cracked beyond all reason

And his ball is better than just about everyone else's too

[noble nexus]

yeah

but let's not compare his ball to Ameng's

because that's not fair

no one can best ameng

[forest raven]

Yotta

[noble nexus]

Ameng is the manliest man

his jawline was carved by the gods he does thousands and thousands of reps a day

peak physical form of a man

[hot heart]

*god

[noble nexus]

ah shit my bad

[earnest leaf]

Smurf probabaly has a solid rein

[forest raven]

I mean yeah obviously

Not better than super's tho

[karmic grotto]

Super is Rein one trick

[noble nexus]

dishonest statement

[tawdry hamlet]

Oh yeah he's a high mid hog too I forgot

But nah he has orisa and shit too

[plush light]

Super also plays genji 👌

[karmic grotto]

Bruh

[cedar oasis]

Has anyone signed rascal

[noble nexus]

nopers

bidding war for him prolly still going on

[plush grail]

how good would nyxl be with all the rookies

And rascal and jjonak as veterans

[next mesa]

They're signing ivy as well

[balmy wolf]

Proof? @next mesa

[raw ermine]

It was halo of thoughts who said it

[slow kraken]

Mirror is the god of all roles

If only he could play simultaneously

[next mesa]

gen g qualified for gauntlet?

[plush light]

And o2 didn't

[raw ermine]

Gen g went to 5 maps with gen a and they did better than o2?

[sullen berry]

thats gotta hurt

Talon fropped to Gen. G then O2 couldn't pick it up on map 5

[raw ermine]

it's official

team doge is no more

well for players at least

[karmic grotto]

rip

contenders scene dead in eu

dead in us

alive in asia

fuck blizzrad

[earnest leaf]

eh ends up people don't care about t2 for the most part

compared to owl

blizzard can't force interest into it

[karmic grotto]

Then maybe they should let Contenders be its own thing instead of having restrictions

[earnest leaf]

Regardless they can't make people like rando nobodies they haven't heard of

[balmy wolf]

It needs to be publicized like League of Legends Academy

And being on YouTube on a separate channel doesn’t help viewership

There needs to be a rant section in this Discord, I’m agitated at OWL and Blizzard

What the hell Blizzard

[earnest leaf]

If people don't care about t2, gonna be hard for them to gain interest

like I don't care to watch a bunch of randos i've never heard of play OW worse than OWL

But I mean blizzard has advertised contenders, put them on the launcher, give them skins, mention them in game I think

Brought up segments during OWL about contenders

[karmic grotto]

Go back to the basics

How did pro play even with started? With people that wanted to have fun, but also wanted to have fun while playing with a team

To have fun while stacking in ranked

As it should be

To have fun like when Overwatch started

There wasn't anything forced

It was natural organic growth of the esports scene with OGN, apex

When I started playing OW in 2018, I enjoyed watching it. Knowing about the Asian scene being so full of personality, as well as Europe and NA

I got involved with pro scene, especially watching streamers

It was all good, until Activision wanted to start a league, only for them to get money for themselves

Until today, Overwatch is stable, but the focus on OWL alone, kills T2

There is no path to pro, only path to poverty

Honestly, at this point I think faceit should run a paid competitive scene

Let it grow, then become T2

[noble nexus]

unless you're Im37 and speedrun it all

Path to president

[karmic grotto]

Activision killed overwatch

For their own greed of money

The owners of the teams have all been played

Jeff Kaplan single handly saving overwatch

Dreamhaven, I hope you're seeing what Blizzard had become

[earnest leaf]

I don't think people get it

Majority of people don't care about t2

And will continue to not care

No matter what you do

[next mesa]

because you rather watch the highest level of play

who would wanna watch wnba instead if nba lmao

wait but march madness does do pretty well doe

[karmic grotto]

That's the thing, it should have never come to to this point if owl never happened

It would have been way bigger in a natural way

We could have had high level gameplay without overwatch league but the teams just scrimming together with maybe a coach

When runaway played against kdp, that was not owl, but it was owl worthy match

Or even better

:/

Maybe, maybe when an overwatch equivalent comes out in the future

[tawdry hamlet]

March madness only does well when people want to see the next nba prospect play tho

[earnest leaf]

And betting

[tawdry hamlet]

[next mesa]

that's kinda the same point for contenders doe right

[sleek igloo]

Who do u guys think is the best Ana player in owl?

[raw ermine]

twilight or alarm

[sleek igloo]

Mercy?

[raw ermine]

moth

[cobalt spoke]

Twilight or alarm?

Twilight

Just twilight

He's so much better than alarm on ana

Id put so many ana players between alarm and twilight

Jjonak, kariv and myunbong

[raw ermine]

I always thought twilight was better

myungbong is nuts

that sleep on the widow

jeez

[next mesa]

Jjonak and Kariv not better than alarm lmao

[noble nexus]

yeah it goes Twilight Alarm Myunbong in my eyes

but that could change if Boston gets good and myunbong gets a good team

[bright cypress]

fair

I think alarm has the absolute best flex sup brig tho

no one else even close as far as we've seen

He has a huge hero pool

[noble nexus]

well yeah FS players don't play brig anymore right?

[raw ermine]

some do

alarm was so good he played it over baptiste

[true hound]

twilight or alarm?

idk

both are insane

hard to compare

[hot heart]

I agree

[next mesa]

Twilight plays brig

His brig is better than rascal and moth

[tropic herald]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SeoulDynasty/status/1333214162495836160

Seoul Dynasty 🐯 (@SeoulDynasty)

[ Welcome to Seoul Dynasty, @saebyeolbe and @Anamo_ow ]

#SeoulDynasty #TigerNation

Twitter · Nov 30, 2020, 1:00 AM

[rare chasm]

HOLY SHIT

HOLY SHIT

[stuck radish]

wtf

profit and sbb dps lineup

insane

[rare chasm]

YOO THATS GONNA BE BROKEN ASF

wait so then Fits is prob maybe be benched

[tawdry hamlet]

ok but saebyeolbe kind of a jack of all trades

pro bowler, and pro overwatch player, and a barista

[noble nexus]

what can sbb do better than either profit or fits

[tawdry hamlet]

get you a man that can do both

[noble nexus]

other than bowl

[tawdry hamlet]

tracer

[raw ermine]

oh shit

anamo as well

thats dope

[rare chasm]

bro tracer v tracer

[tawdry hamlet]

he is one of the best tracers iirc

[noble nexus]

is his tracer still better than profit's?

[tawdry hamlet]

not that I watched a lot of nyxl tbh

[rare chasm]

id rlly k

but both tracer are like omfg

[tawdry hamlet]

NYXL could have gone farther if it wasn't restricted to na and apac regions last season

[rare chasm]

we already seen how good profit is on tracer before

[tawdry hamlet]

they had sbb and haksal and jjonak

[gilded dagger]

OMG

AHHHH

[rare chasm]

although shanghai and seoul ended nyxl's career in the playoffs fast

[gilded dagger]

BIGGEST SIGNING HOLY FRICKKCKCKKCK

[rare chasm]

IKKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[gilded dagger]

SBB AND ANAMO

HELLLLLPPPP

THIS IS LIKE POG

POG

[rare chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/pogchamp-shocked-intensified-gif-17946611

[raw ermine]

god damn

get at OT and its gg

[plush light]

Who plays tracer

[rare chasm]

idk

[stuck radish]

they're both good at tracer

[rare chasm]

both r good at her

[stuck radish]

but i think sbb might be better

not sure

[raw ermine]

profit on echo

[rare chasm]

i mean

[raw ermine]

sbb on tracer

[hot heart]

Uhhh

[raw ermine]

dupe enemy tracer

[rare chasm]

anamo is prob gonna replace tobi

[hot heart]

Anamo

Solid

[raw ermine]

profit-sbb tracer dive

[hot heart]

Sbb is solid too

[rare chasm]

yea hes prob replacing tobi cuz tobi left seoul

[next mesa]

Profit has a better tracer than sbb

[hot heart]

Yeah

But

[next mesa]

Profit echo kinda questionable lmfao

[hot heart]

If they wanna play sombra tracer

[rare chasm]

ik lmfao

[hot heart]

Actually nvm

Im dumb

They have fits

[next mesa]

Fits isn't gonna get benched

[hot heart]

Genji tracer ig

[next mesa]

Fits is like

Better than sbb

[hot heart]

Or some kind of dive

[next mesa]

In ashe widow

[hot heart]

See

[next mesa]

Sombra idk probably sombra too

But honestly sbb for new heroes i could see that

Approve

[hot heart]

I think fits is a better player

But

He lacks SBBs leadship qualities

And thats extremely valuable

[next mesa]

Dude if sbb can like

[tawdry hamlet]

man why does flower have the wackest ass settings I have ever seen

[next mesa]

Spank profit and gesture into taking regular season serious 💦

[tawdry hamlet]

he has a different sense for every character

[hot heart]

He needs to

Coaches need to

Everyone needs to push gesture and profit to do their best Every game

[tawdry hamlet]

seoul with a decent coach would be gg

by decent i meant top tier

since their current isn't the worst thing in the world

[next mesa]

Honestly the coaches stayed that was a questionable decision

But then again

Seoul switches every season

[tawdry hamlet]

seoul with someone like Moon or Crusty would be unstoppable tbh

[next mesa]

Having some stability for once would do some good magbe

[hot heart]

Nah

[shell forum]

holy fuck

seoul is packing

[hot heart]

The one with thing that makes me unsure is seouls coaches

[tawdry hamlet]

do profit and gesture just straight up throw regular season games, I still have no idea how they went 12-12 and got second place

[hot heart]

Everything else they're kinda stacked

[tawdry hamlet]

just blows my mind

[hot heart]

Money

Seoul wont release them

So they have leverage

[tawdry hamlet]

Idk they don't seem the type to only try when there is money but the past has kind of shown that

[next mesa]

Coaching

[shell forum]

yeah

[next mesa]

Dude

[shell forum]

🤑

fuck

wrong one

[next mesa]

They spent like

Okay they figured out the gf meta sooner than everyone else

But other than that

[hot heart]

See

[tawdry hamlet]

ah yeah, the sudden meta switch towards the end of the season did them many favors

[hot heart]

Idk why they didnt pick up KDG

[tawdry hamlet]

gesture hog was

[hot heart]

They had the opportunity im assuming

But just didnt

If thats actually the case

Im kinda sad

[shell forum]

gesture just built different

[noble nexus]

they still need that OT tho 🙃

[tawdry hamlet]

Fits widow also kind of popped in the finals way more than I remember him popping in reg season

[shell forum]

yeah

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean their main tanks are relatively flexible

not super flexible but at least road and dva are covered I think

[hot heart]

They need to get a good OT

What OTs are on the market rn

[tawdry hamlet]

hmm

uhh, ksaa lmao

[hot heart]

Jjanu and like MekO

[next mesa]

Lmao not ksaa

Jjanu is prob the only level

[hot heart]

Yeah

[next mesa]

Top tier that they're looking for

[hot heart]

Marve1 Jjanu

Sounds so insane

[next mesa]

Or maybe some cracked ot from contenders

[hot heart]

Maybe

[next mesa]

I was hoping fury

I think he has better sig

But it's whatever

[hot heart]

Imma go check out meko's twitter

[next mesa]

I think jjanu dva better

[hot heart]

I feel like

He might have been followed by a team

Or some thing

[noble nexus]

they could try and win the bidding war for GaeBullSsi if that is still going on

[hot heart]

I think fury is better than jjanu

[tawdry hamlet]

was michelle bad or just not what they were looking for?

[hot heart]

But not by much at all

Who knows

Dude was benched all season

[next mesa]

They made marve1 into a fucking offtank

[hot heart]

S2 he was pretty nice

[next mesa]

It was actually painful to watch

Like his main tank skills might've degraded

[tawdry hamlet]

makes sense, I didn't recall seeing michelle barely at all

[next mesa]

Michelle isn't bad

Idk if they tried it in scrims didn't work out

[noble nexus]

marve1 was only good on the sigma when they were tryna have him play OT

[next mesa]

And also yeah

Marve1 sig is cracked

I remember him being like the first to pop off on new hero last year on busan

[hot heart]

Yeah

Him and Choi

God

Choi

When i first saw Choi's sig

It was astounding

[tawdry hamlet]

I wonder if toronto had finalized sado before resigning beast

[hot heart]

No

[noble nexus]

absolutely not

[next mesa]

Probably not

[tawdry hamlet]

since sado is just going to bench him like forever

[hot heart]

Probably not

[noble nexus]

there is no way they resigned beast knowing they'd get sado

[hot heart]

Beast is the bench king

[next mesa]

I don't see them signing logix

Knowing that they'd had this stacked of a roster either

[tawdry hamlet]

idk, he had solid numbers last season but the whole team was kind of meh

[noble nexus]

I feel like they changed from budget to wanting to spend some bags too fast

logix is ok

[tawdry hamlet]

but they were running a genji one trick and logix most games

[next mesa]

they should trade logix

sign diem

[noble nexus]

they rode the agilities train when meta favoured him

[tawdry hamlet]

and it worked, then didn't

that meta was cool, all the scrub teams with good genji got to win for once

we got to see houston and victory in the same sentence

was cool

[noble nexus]

even justice did well

and then everyone got rolled by sparkle

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean when houston beats florida you know the meta is going to be interesting loll

Danteh carry go brrr

[noble nexus]

I hope houston make a good trade for MT

[next mesa]

im guessing OGE ngl

[noble nexus]

because hydration just isn't it

[next mesa]

oge found a team we all know that

[noble nexus]

Is OGE that good anymore?

[next mesa]

he's still a good main tank

good maintanks are rare

[noble nexus]

yeah ig so

also I forgot michelle got signed to Toronto

[hot heart]

I feel like if you're houstan rn

Seeing all these super teams

You gotta think

What the fuck am i gonna do against that

[next mesa]

I hope michelle does well

[hot heart]

Me too

[next mesa]

look

[noble nexus]

yeah sado michelle sounds pretty nice

[next mesa]

with shock dallas seoul and dragons running around

you just aint it

outluls

honestly I think anamo is a downgrade over tobi but

we shall see

[hot heart]

Yeah i think so too

Bht

Anamo's fine

So idrc

[noble nexus]

I mean what do you think the chances are that we're gonna have a normal season in season 4

we might still have NA and APAC be seperate

[hot heart]

Im looking forward to who seoul sign at OT and FS now

Who do they pair up with Creative

[next mesa]

they have creative

[hot heart]

Yeah

[next mesa]

creative anamo

lol

[noble nexus]

yeah they kept creative

[next mesa]

yeah

honestly think bdosin should've stayed smh

bdosin is cracked

[noble nexus]

creative was pretty good in the grand finals too

[hot heart]

No

For double FS

[next mesa]

who are they gonna find that's better than bdosin

[hot heart]

Eh

Probably some nut in contenders

[noble nexus]

they could go for some fresh contendies talent

[hot heart]

Or yoink Coldest

Wait

[noble nexus]

I don't know of any free owl FS players that are good

[hot heart]

He's Chinese

Nvm

[next mesa]

bdosin still got it man

he's crusty approved

[hot heart]

Okay

[next mesa]

when you're crusty approved

it just means you're god

[hot heart]

Ah yeah sure

But fr

Who is even available

[tawdry hamlet]

Florida be like "We won the offseason"
Florida fans watching every decent free agent besides diem get signed to other teams

[hot heart]

Yeah

[tawdry hamlet]

can't imagine who they possibly could have signed

[next mesa]

Florida pulls up with a no name open trials team and just fucking rolls shock

[hot heart]

I swear

If florida dont pull something

Huge

[tawdry hamlet]

unless they did something sneaky and took rascal or diem or something they really didn't win the offseason lmao

[hot heart]

The fans might loose it

[noble nexus]

Florida twitter account keeps hinting at someone being announced and nothing ever happens

[hot heart]

Yeah

It's just annoying

[next mesa]

honestly though they already got yaki and bqb dont really need rascal and diem

minor upgrades

[hot heart]

What if

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah that is true, I just can't think of many other good free agents lmao

atm

that are not hinted or signed

[hot heart]

They just yoink Ljg

[noble nexus]

they have no MT still

[next mesa]

kinda weird

[hot heart]

The 2 roster spots that are empty are MT and FS

[tawdry hamlet]

hmm

[trail perch]

Trade

For

[tawdry hamlet]

yaki is coolio

[hot heart]

Alright

[trail perch]

Fate

[tawdry hamlet]

I like yaki

[hot heart]

Lemme pull up the FA's

[trail perch]

Take fate back from Shanghai

Like now

They never should have dropped him

[next mesa]

lol that's not happening

[tawdry hamlet]

they had to have traded or bought a big bucks player if they were willing to not resign fate

[next mesa]

dragons is keeping fate, and like forever

mayhem has nothing to offer

except money

which dragons dont need

[hot heart]

Hear me out

What if they sign chara

He's FA rn

[tawdry hamlet]

I presume they stay full korean so idek who they could sign aside from people like bdosin or stitch or just some rando free agents but they said they won the off season way before those two wer even dropped lmao

maybe they got a contenders talent or something that is cracked

[next mesa]

chara would be awesome

[hot heart]

Slime is still FA

[next mesa]

id lowkey take chara over slime

but that's just me

[hot heart]

He hasn't played for so long that i wouldn't take the risk

Gangnamjin Chara would be a great support line

Now for MT

[hidden vault]

Seoul really collecting old timers

[next mesa]

bruh but then they just drop tobi

I think tobi wanted to leave though

[hot heart]

There's literally no one

Other than OGE

[next mesa]

the guy said

they gave tobi a really nice contract

but he's just like "no"

[tawdry hamlet]

being Ado must have been pain