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what like
Super/Space, Danteh/KSF/Hydration, Moth/???
Lukemino from contenders is best I can think of
Crimzo/Dogman maybe????
Crimzo canadian
shit
Dogman yeah
You'd probably be better off getting Dalton in, and put Danteh on Baptiste
Team USA would have at least 1 or 2 contenders players
Danteh could play almost anything yeah
oh yeah lukemino
his team lost doe pepelaugh
wait
yea
US really does lack flex supports lol
Probably 10 lol
yeah
if it wasnt for language barrier i would choose moth, astro, or fdgod over any korean MS
interesting how western MS are better than korean ones imo
Viol2t, Shu, Rapel, Myunbong, Alarm, Lris, Jjonak, Izyaki, Gangnamjin, Fielder, Creative, Bdosin
fr
i mean like
All better options than any US flex support ever?
LJG, tobi
Leejaegon and Tobi are the only ones
slime if he got good coaching
i'd only put moth
Even western MS there isn't tons
over those
Moth/FDGod are the only 2 good ones I can think of
funnyastro is pretty good imo
ah yeah Astro
his stonks really went down
when he talked trash before GF and then proceeded to get swept back to back
neptuno maybe
I can't really blame Astro for that, he was on Mercy the whole time
Honestly, I think Danteh could be Top 3 for any role in the US
danteh best bap omegaul
Main Tanks, only Super/Gator maybe out rank him
On support i haven't seen his play
Offtank, Space and maybe Hawk
Fusions is UK mafia
bri i sh bruv
Tiktoks
Oh no
And here it is
YEA
Toronto would be the logical assumption for him
True true
Toronto/Shock are the 2 most probable
I feel like
I don't think Shock would gain anything from Heesu really
I mean honestly
4 hitscan
Only benefit would be Sombra, and I bet ANS or Striker could grind Sombra enough
ta1yo even
The sombra play goes from decent to top tier
But
Thats a single character
So
Not worth
yeah
the most useful character, sure
Imagine sombra becomes the hero with the most play time in 2021 and shock miss out on heesu
Unless ANS doesn't want to continue I guess, he struggled a lot this year. But I'd assume Heesu to Toronto
Yeah
Heesu to toronto would be really nice
Solid hitscan dps with an incredible sombra
Logix/Heesu/Sado is a decent starting point honestly. No idea how the new supports will be
you're forgetting their carry piece
They might be decent
beast
Ofc
I'm not even acknowledging Beast on the roster
Beast is the best MT in owl
Yeah
You shouldn't
He just kinda
Exists
they be throwing money at the wall at this point since KDG isnt gonna use him at all
I assume he was signed very early on, and then someone at Defiant realised they could actually get good players
Yeah
As soon as philly dropped their former core
They just said
Wait
We can yoink some of them
waiting for atlanta do more than sign one player
Hope they negotiated a low buyout clause with him
who is atlanta rumored signing again
No real rumours for ATL at the moment, they already have a roster that'd work so doubt we'll see much added quickly
i also like how shanghai signed players who were amazing in season 2 but were pretty mediocre in season 3
Trust in Moon
Toronto or Mayhem 🧐
If he can get Fate/Erster to bounce back as well as Fearless did, then SHD could do well
also
whats with APAC players having such generic american names
Jerry, Jimmy, Garry
Jerry named his because he liked Tom and Jerry
i knew that
according to Liquipedia anyway..
We’re excited to announce that @HeesuGOD is joining the Defiant DPS lineup for the 2021 season, pending League Approval! #RiseTogether https://t.co/sV0CYImINO
Toronto lol
Ay
expected
Thats what im talking about
now ivy you motherfucker
Ivy has gone to NYXL
Ivy going NYXL by looks of it
But
I do wonder if Toronto have jumped into the Nero signing race
Toronto with the good start
noooooooOOOOOOO
omfg
nero to houston right?
pog
now it's time for diem to go to toronto
Houston were winning the race for Nero, but another team joined late and now nobody knows
They might've
Either them or ATL
Toronto confuses me so much
it was atlanta, houston, right
ATL have Pelican, not sure they'd need Nero
Toronto's management was like: alright mixed team logix and beast go
and kdg was like: nah full korean
so logix and beast will probably be bench warmers
KDG is probably fine with mixed roster
beast is just a waste of roster space
I'll be honest
I don't think that guy will ever be good
u dont have to be ashamed of your answer we all agree
Toronto looks like half of the team wants to win and the other half wants to be a bottom feeder all season again
half?
Beast looks like an early panic signing honestly
Logix is good enough to have on roster
I wish Toronto didn't re-sign Logix
so Logix could go to London
he would be so much more useful there
They could still sell/trade him I guess if London are interested enough
I wonder what beast is thinking rn
Free cash
man can sit back and relax on the bench
Top priority
He's an imitation Super
fuck philly we like dallas now
bench probably a nice cushioned couch, filled with money
Sit on bench, farm the cash
my guy playing cookie clicker
except with money
had to fucking sign the contract and now it's just idle money
Toronto feels so weird
yeah u got good pieces like sado and heesu and then
beast and logix is just there like 
Logix is solid
paris alliance perhaps https://twitter.com/avalla_ow/status/1330639780162334722?s=20
beast was re-signed 
so they dont drop it
Logix, BEast, Aztac, Ansoonjae, Sado and Heesu
avalla took time out of her busy schedule to post this?
wonder what she's implying
or maybe she's just a fan
True
if london has the cash
they should just sign the winners of gauntlet
Paris going budget could settle for obey
or maybe obey wins who tf knows
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_complex
Lmao someone got super to read this out on stream
"Napoleon Complex" is a theorized inferiority complex normally attributed to people of short stature. It is characterized by overly-aggressive or domineering social behavior, such as lying about earnings, and carries the implication that such behavior is compensatory for the subject's physical or social shortcomings. In psychology, the Napoleon ...
Bad esport
could be improved
for like someone just
I am satisfied, however
coming in
or like someone who doesn't know overwatch
it's like
what in the satan's asshole is going on
I mean eh, were the main tank and heesu nearly as big of a role in fusion success than carpe ivy fury and alarm?
now that they just have carpe astro alarm eqo and pogwave kind of worried
but not super worried
I think they are still a top 4 na at least
it's hard to say
apac idk
dynasty still better 
dynasty gets the passing grade every time
since spark might dominate the upper mid tier
😈
with like gladiators
are they a top tier team? They pass - but that's it
bro may i ask whos the best dva player rn
lowkey spark might be better than dragons if they can synergize I believe
mano + poko vs sado + fury
in the spark dream
idk tbh
jjanu
dva hasn't been played in a while
yeah
so hard to measure
hb space
jjanu or void
space is still good right
space always good
I went through season 2 VODs and even space hasn't improved all that much
mcgravey got the 6k bomb I saw the highlight uploaded a bit ago
mkay
lolol
just always not the best
ye
mcgravey has been clutch af
space is probably best non asian off tank low key
do u guys know who harblue is
he has great mechanics
harbleu
hard blue
yes obviously

is he in overwatch league or not
no, he's with Lumosity gaming as a strimmer
we get that a lot
there's def other better players
true dude
violet the goat
he plays zen right
yeeee lets go
https://twitter.com/ElbionTosscoble/status/1330998427686092802?s=20
probably fluff about WoW, but it's weird how I've only heard of Elbion just now
Hey @Noukky, I have this really important appointment today at 3pm PST and we need to take the rest of the week off.
No. Bumper is the best zen player in the world and super is second 👌
Best mccree in the world
bumper is simultaneously the best zen, hanzo, and every tank, so
okay who would beat shock
Fearless Void Profit Xzi Tobi Myunb0ng 
replace xzi with ans and ez dubs
why not alarm
sure
god damn I can't wait to see Toronto's off tank
market has got some big names available
we could be in for a good year
pleasedontjinxitpleasedontjinxitpleasedontjinxitpleasedontjinxitpleasedontjinxit
Was boombox good or just meh?
I don't remember seeing nearly as much of him over astro alarm
alarm is a god
you would only play viol2t over him
astro is the ms, so you need him for lucio and mercy
he got played during double flex support
Also I low-key prefer iziyaki to violet if only for the fact that iziyaki is aggressive but not like "im either going to die or get this kill" violet aggressive
I mostly just thought of him as that second or third best Zen
Nothing insane but able to keep up with his team more than enough
Also ljg worst member of dragons current roster high-key
starting roster or roster?
viol2t's aggressiveness if great
He'll say "fuck it" and duel OWL sniper players on zen
viol2t got playmaking ability, well hes the most obvious one since hes very dps heavy
izayaki is more passive but hes wont lose you a fight
If Viol2t could work on his Ana he would 100% be the best flex support in the league
@earnest leaf owl sniper with a mercy pocket
At the same time
Idk dude I think izayaki zen might be lacking
big dick energy radiates from viol2t
Def ana better
That or an ego so large it makes him do these things
I think Izayaki was #1 bap actually
he never went for frags over heals, but when he did have to kill, he did shit like 1shot Profit
no it was alarm
on Tracer
alarm was leading almost every stat on almost all supports he played
I like Viol2t and Alarm's baps, but Izayaki was a clear cut #1 for me
if you say Viol2t I think it's fair
but the playstyle I prefer is Izayaki's
u know i thought jjonak would top 3 in flex support since it was so bap heavy this year
Jjonak bap sucks wym
It's actually surprisingly considering his mechanics are probably still top 3
Viol2t is the goat
Thats why shock has the best flex support play overall
they got the best ana, 2 top 5 zen's, 2 top 5 bap's, the best moira (probably, idk), and at least one top 7 brig
raw?
ah underdeveloped
anybody want to play? dm me if you want to
not the place
I don't know how to feel about NUS playing valorant
I think iziyaki is up there in ana play but I think jjonak in his prime better but then again jjonak defended his title in the ana aim skill challenge
But violet almost took it low-key
I think iirc
Jjonak isn't washed by any means but idk if he is still best ana
He has to be up there for sure though
Maybe nyxl not being a power team made him look worse to me idk
Rjh 

with just his massive dick alone
Myunbong lowkey up there for best ana, just wish he had more opportunities to show his ability in the league

Probably not best but like top 5
if we're talking about just like
an ana one trick
yeah I think he's between him or twilight
Twilight > myungbong
Twilight has dominated every time he gets out on the battelfield
Absolute juicer
Fair but he also wasn't on a dogshit team his whole career
Myun showing what he has on a team so bad is pretty impressive tbh
put twilight on boston
Im sure in raw talent twilight is probably better
and you will see the same thing tbh
Unless it's violet
we'll see how he does
Yeah im excited to see if his play keeps up
He could be the next up and comer with offers like pogwave was 
He probably already did and just stayed
Also was Dalton the flex or shockwave because I remember shockwave on Hanzo a bit but I also remember dalton on mcree a lot
I can't remember 
they didn't have a flex
tsuna was their flex
shockwave and dalton both hitscan
with shockwave having a nutty echo and dalton having a clown of a genji
yep cockwave
His widow is low mid
Dalton in general is pepega
Not as bad as chex
But still kind of pepega
Wasn’t Tsuna a hitscan too...
Titans is just the saddest team
really tsuna was hitscan LOL
They had their moments towards the end that looked cool
But mostly just shockwave hype
legit dropped a championship tier roster
Reminder, lots of the Titans members were on high ping
they had fucking fissure and jehong
Their last few series was pog
😔
Tsuna Shockwave KSAA
Wasn't ksaa in saudi or some shit
myunb0ng is top 4 fs imo
KSAA is really good
yea
Ahh it was masaa they dropped right
Uh
Masaa never played for Titans
Wrong dude im thinking of someone
and carcar just casually retired
CarCar was on Titans then he retired to do college
Probably dropped Dalton or Tsuna idr
Man
carcar be like "alright guys im just too good its time to retire so i dont get caught in a bidding war 🙄"

i really dont like shockwave fusion
If KSAA doesn’t get a team this year
but awesome fusionm
I will be sad
Yeah
shockwave to fusion is good pickup
I guess Carpe won’t have to like
it's a good pickup but bruh
break his back
I wonder if valiant will make any more pickups
i mean
fusion should've signed another korean hitscan imo
hmm
Well any pickups
did valiant drop ksp
why would they
Dropping KSP is illegal
Nah I don't think so
shockwave couldve been so good on valiant or london imo
They dropped apply gig and gravy

And best widow next to some@others
get a load of this wrong opinion
Valiant dps already full tbh
you can't be best at something when you're not korean
They don't need him
except when your name is moth

Who is the best Reinhardt in the league
oh fuck
okay super is an exception his brain rivals the koreans
western MS are better than korean MS
So many players who won't have spots because budget cuts is sadge
Rosters dropping all their one tricks 
chipsa
- Chipsa
- Profit
- Fleta
remember when chipsa played rein and shattered all of the shock and won the grand finals
man that was such a good moment
like profit is close
fr
chipsa vs lastro after saying sex big dick
imagine super leaves for glads
funniest shit ever
chipsa gets in game audio from tasting it

mf wil ltaste some curry and call symm
Lmaoo
my mental is going downwards seeing them all leave
i have a theory that jjonak will be the only one on the team for s4 and win grandfinals
nyxl was fucking stacked man
mandu, mano, sbb, jjonak, libero
but they never got the results :(
I blame coaching
we'll see
NYXL coaching sucks.
We all know that.
According to sources, Se-Hyeon "Neko" Park, who previously played for the Boston Uprising and Toronto Defiant. Will be moving into coaching and joining the Guangzhou Charge’s coaching staff
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This isn't too bad if I'll be honest
Give Kariv some backbone and Arachne more assistance
Daemin has also been locked in for GZ Charge for a coaching role
Neko should also help Mandu a lot with any experience issues
While I'm not sure what impact Daemin will have
Seems a bit more like the weaker link whose managed to stick around OWC for a very long time after his short stint on the 0-40 shanghai roster
moth gone, rascal gone, super: sweats
it's okay
The Shanghai Dragons are expected to announce the signing of Molly within the next few days.
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was molly from chengdu?
Molly cracked out on ana
got many compliments from other flex supports who played against him this year
actually it lowkey might not heard
it'd be great if ow2 comes with a few supports like ana/zen
tbh i forgot chengdu existed
I would imagine they try and release more supports and tanks than dps
because theyre so "meh"
yeah
gold logo or gold in terms of skill level?
logo
understood
ok
super took your ego?
eqo took my ego
Your a fuel fan.
Your ego was already dead.
my favorite team: dallas fuel aka just throw money at good players and expect to win
they changed aero
they're going for a new strategy
instead of booming 1 top tier korean players
they're gonna boom a entire korean team
I honestly doubt they will boom this year
with like a full staff change
all dallas management is to sit back, shut the fuck up, and let rush and his team do his thing
?? why would they not
Rush is a Tush
Dallas does questionable things
they'll find a way
it's the Dallas cycle
it always finds a way to be true
nah man
hastro is gonna be like:
"I paid for the team, I get to decide what they do in game"
I don't think he's stupid
If he disagrees with rush
he's just openly admitting that he hired the wrong person
or something
Dude Molly is a freak
I feel like new dallas is gonna be like last years paris
Granted they are unironically last years paris for the most part
and no FDgod, instead you have Jecse
SBB 
and no Ninek
just hire Pine, ez
didnt pine have a mental breakdown in season 1
like how Ans did this year? yes
no
hey everyone, I got covid recently so I will not be streaming these next few days until I get better at least. stay safe!
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damn
Ans had a mental breakdown this year?
Was it at the beginning of the season? I don’t remember
Oh
he was the rookie player on the championship team
I don't think it was a mental breakdown
Was shitty depression so he had to go back to korea for it
But next year I hope he get's a lot of stress off his shoulders now that he proved himseld
Aztac Park Jeong-su Support 2020-11-17 [77]
ANSOONJAE An Soon-jae Support 2020-11-19 [78]
SADO Sumin Kim Tank 2020-11-21 [79]
Heesu Heesu Jeong DPS 2020-11-23 [80]
????? ??????????? Tank 2020-11-25 [81]
tomorrow
follows the math
waiting for kyky to come back to dallas
it was early-middle
Libero to Wash pl0x
ans had to live up to the shock reputation in his eyes
Covid doesnt help tho
being in the same room for hours and hours
plat chat is now, after plattus chattus finish is gonna be a annoucement.
toronto just needs an off tnak and a projectile DPS right
He did
Im so proud
lol crimzo
ayyy
lol
lol RIP Houstons chances this year
woah
mediocre team stays mediocre
yea
or any chance to win Battle for Texas
ok so houston confirmed still middle tier team

RIP HOUSTON
bro i cant remember, is crimzo good, horseshit, or somewhere in between?
he's like
he's average
crimzo is ok
damn rip houston then
i feel like having a v high tier flex support is almost required now
Ratlanta 
What team
Houston
alright
LETS GO
out
s

So houston is flopping this year
CRIMZO HAS A TEAM
JEHONG DOES NOT
But now we know which team
The same team with piggy, danteh, and happy
And maybe nero
So an actual good team
Houston went from rumoured good team, to mediocre. Especially if they lose out on Nero
F for Houston Fans
At least we still have Danteh and Hydration
Best western tank lineup in NA that right there
and some support
Junkbuck can do it
wait i think they actually did sign happy
still rumored I think
yea but they follow all their players on twitter as well as previous players and followed happy recently 👀
i think crimzo is the best western FS
because there's literally him and dogman
yeah houston followed happy on twitter
who is doing well in NA contenders
American Tornado I think? (could be wrong, but they were dominating last I checked)
lukemino
i meant teams not specific players
if for some reason london doesnt sign all of the hurricane, we can safely assume most of them will get teams, yea?
i wanna see someone not from chinese or korean contenders signed
there's been one which was adam i think
The issue is that all the apac contenders finished earlier than NA and EU
So the teams could be more confident in their scouting there
i think china/asia contenders is better than NA/EU
so performing well there is a better indicator if theyre OWL level or not
but thats just my opinion
EU has Avoided which reaks absolute havoc in terms of performance xD
london signing BH when they just got swept in the closed qualifiers finals
also dallas and houston just swapped supports it's hilarious
obviously a lot less pog for houston
Welcome @M1chelle_ow to our roster as the Off-Tank for the 2021 season! *Pending League Approval #RiseTogether https://t.co/qKkLMhulJX
ok
michelle
now they just need a good projectile dps
to complete their roster
apac people having generic female or male names
Libero to toronto pls
liberonto
no
well i was wrong
libero should be on shock
lmao
wrong for what
also libero deserves better
justice for libero
libero covers all of their weak spots
genji doomfist echo
crusty
use that big fat brain of yours please
libero x super next season??
apac really likes american names
yeah
jerry, jimmy, michelle, elsa, eileen
Ryujehongsexy
Shock have no weak spots.
They have super 👌
Today the SF Shock would like to say a heartfelt thank you to @TMobile Grand Finals MVP's @Shock_CHB and @STRIKER_OW as well as the SF Shock Karaoke Champion @smurf_ow... https://t.co/YfsSa3qQ3I
Wtf
That is a mistake
Smurf is the best main tank
Hes smurfing in overwatch league
I don't get it
Wheeze
Check the reply tweet from shock
uh
Without them, we could have never pulled off becoming back to back Champions, and without them, there is no way we could make a run at the #Threepeat next year... See you boys in 2021 🖤
More announcements coming soon™...
lmao nvm
shock shitposting again smh
OH FUCK YOU
LOL I KNOW RIGHT
thank you @DallasFuel for giving me the experience and knowledge that I will now use to crush you next season. #AnteUp 🤠
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yo crimzo smoking some good quality weed
if they dropped them, oh man
Shock out here handing out heart attacks
Yeah lmao dallas is going to kill them
Feels like thats a tweet Crimzo is going to regret
that won't age well
Crimzo gonna destroy Dallas from the bench
if it comes to it
Piggy and Danteh will be destroying Dallas whilst Crimzo spectates
nah bruh dallas is gonna take 1 map and then crimzo is gonna get benched for danteh and then 3-1
Super still not confirmed by Shock!
Lmao thats because hes not coming back lol
Super to Dallas?
Did someone say retirement
Vio2t got ahold of the shock Twitter
Is smurf striker and choi gone
it was fake!
in a way that makes it seems like they're leaving
"we would like to thank smurf so much for his hard work this year"
I almost had a heartattack!!!!
but they then say, maybe in reply or a article on the sfs OWL website
"we'll be excited to work with them next year"
wasn't crimzo just mediocre?
I fucking hate the shock dude
They have a genji and widow show tournament, alongside the normal one
with a few OWL players
Toronto and Dallas lookin good this season
sadge
same, seems inevitable though
yeah hes been since pre season 1 so I am sure he wants to hang it up
especially since recently he has only got team cc playing time
who would you take danteh or kevster
danteh
dogman IS a personality dude
ATL's best times were in moira meta's
imagine if shock signed danteh
he already got re-signed to houston
ik
Fragi is now a pro WOW player.
isn't pro wow basically dead?
He didn't appear on liquipedia
there is no WoW
I would play wow but I don't have money for a subscription game. XD
I love him
Kuki is really good
do they really need him?
Yeah i mean
he's a fs right?
really only need him for double fs
Izayaki is a fucking nutcase
yeah fair enough
that's planning pretty far ahead and assuming izayaki won't pick them up fast
idk it's a good pickup
I doubt they play him over izayaki regularly tho
I think there might be a chance where new support hero/ana/zen is meta
How do y’all feel about Shock?
Pick up libero and championship favourite
annoyingly good
it must be the houston fan in me that hates winning
existence is pain
I could see the shock picking libero up and just stomping people out with some nasty dps lines
Does anyone else watch season 1 games just to get some actual good matches to watch? None of this double shield bs (not stage 2 either cuz goats)
and there's this guy
Yes stage 1 was the best stage
- season 1
- Moth meta
- insane players like Diem, Alarm, and Guxue weren't in yet
- Players hated it because they were constantly burnt
Moth>goats>ds
Sure a lot of good players were missing but the games were much more fun to watch
season 1 fusion
followed by stage 2 nyxl that same year
or uprising stage 3 10-0 run
Mhm yes those season 1 games with a pocketed junkrat so fun
shanghai wants to go back to their roots
Chinese
better anyways so that diya can play
wait did he leave?
lol
oh yes he was resigned
YES!
Season 1 nyxl pog
https://mobile.twitter.com/kenzi131/status/1331541029862862849 if this is true
News) The world's first esports broadcasting station, OGN will disappear into history
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man then I was mislead sorry for misleading others too:(
I don’t know about anyone else, but I think that goats was the best ow has ever been
And that the meta embodies the game
So I constantly find myself drifting back to season 2 to watch goats and disruption comps which really showed off adaptability and mastery of the meta
Stage 3 finals was best meta
Stage 3 finals where great, because the shock ran some goats, and some dps
It just goes to show that even if blizzard didn’t implement role lock the meta would have slowly drifted away from goats
Considering by stage 3 no one, and I mean no one played exclusively goats
I think that map dependent metas are best, where the meta comp on one map is a total throw on another map.
Don't let goats distract you from the fact that your favourite dps players were all benched or stuck in brig/zarya jail
cough cough sinatraa
also
what if nyxl releasing everyone is just a bait and they re-sign those that left
i mean kinda true doe
danteh is gigachad
If everyone else on houstan is really good i can forgive the crimzo signinf
And it seems that it might
wait
Though i feel like toronto might yoink nero away from houstan
bumper is tank gigachad, danteh is dps gigachad, and viol2t is support gigachad
Not sure who the unknown team is thats trying to get nero as well





