I think ta1yo isn't great mechanically will have to see what crusty do
#esports-discussion
next mesa
hot heart
The striker one makes sense
tawdry hamlet
Did charge have a good genji? Or did they just get lucky?
weak bolt
If increase the minimum time to 60 mins, Super disappears off the list
tawdry hamlet
weak bolt
I don't remember SharP being that good, but his stats are pretty damn high on DPS lists
tawdry hamlet
Makes sense now since shanghai was far better at dive
hot heart
He didnt play much
tawdry hamlet
And didn't have an insane genji
hot heart
He kinda just rode the bench most of the time
Fleta is an insane genji
But tbh
They didnr execute well
weak bolt
Yeah Im wondering what a decent amount of Minutes played is to use
next mesa
Eileen schooled fleta on genji tbh
weak bolt
I figured 60 mins = Roughly 1 or 2 full games
next mesa
people be like
hot heart
And fleta didnt adapt on the genji
next mesa
diem was so bad š©
next mesa
"shouldve played lip"
and ingore the fact that
they lost all the maps that fleta played genji on
tawdry hamlet
Lip cree 
hot heart
Diem imo did better than most of the players on SHD
When diem plays widow
He's never at fault
hot heart
Damn
tawdry hamlet
He's pog widow
hot heart
I feel like if happy widened his hero pool
And improved his other picks
He could be an outstanding player in 2021
Specifically his tracer and ashe
weak bolt
He might stand a good chance of doing that on Houston, especially with Danteh as a partner
hot heart
Yeah
And junckbuck
Houstan have a good future
NA is easily the best region at this point
tawdry hamlet
Damn im hyped for paris their squad looks so good šš„µ
hot heart
Not even close
weak bolt
Depends if they can keep in the chase for Nero. If its true there is another interested party, they could be screwed a bit
tidal ridge
poor avalla, she has to build a team with people who will accept minimum salary
hot heart
Tbh
tawdry hamlet
tidal ridge
i think 2021 paris will be one of the worst teams OWL has seen
hot heart
Alot of people will accept a minimum salary
hot heart
Better than contenders
next mesa
nah
weak bolt
I think she's got a fair choice of people honestly, but without proper coaching and stuff, whats the point
tawdry hamlet
Vancouver last season was barely better than contenders tbh
next mesa
I think the worst team will always be s1 dragons LOL
hot heart
Yep
tidal ridge
imagine avalla peaces out
hot heart
That level of bad
tidal ridge
19 team OWL franchise
hot heart
Just doesnt and will never happen again
weak bolt
If she leaves, they'd find some random schmuck to fill the role
tawdry hamlet
Team cc could probably beat s3 titans easily
weak bolt
Mineral is probably looking to HC another team...
tawdry hamlet
Tbh any top contenders team could
tidal ridge
they as in the one guy who owns it and probably forgot he owned an OWL team @weak bolt
hot heart
If avalla leaves it really truly over for paris
There is no way you come back from losing the whole squad and then someone like Avalla
There's just no way
weak bolt
I bet there are large financial costs if they pull out of OWL. So we'll always see teams, no matter what
tidal ridge
i heard LA valiant is tryiyng to sell their spot
tight hill
Washington Justices sign rOar: https://twitter.com/washjustice/status/1185255297205575681
weak bolt
It's also better to hold onto a team and wait to see what OW2 does. If it becomes super popular again, OWL could become a good money maker
tawdry hamlet
Bruh
weak bolt
Fake Justice page š
tidal ridge
real justice page, its just from last year
tight hill
Yep
weak bolt
That was before their star DPS players said Fuck it, we hate OW lol
tawdry hamlet
I mean was Corey that good?
tight hill
Yeah
tidal ridge
he was the captain
tight hill
He was that good
weak bolt
Good enough to make justice not dumpster tier I think
tidal ridge
i dont remember what he did
tight hill
Prolly a bigger loss than Sinatra
weak bolt
He's popping off in Valorant
tawdry hamlet
Missing Haksal 
hot heart
Corey was an absolute fucking beast
tidal ridge
anything is a bigger loss than sinatraa because shock didnt even need him
tight hill
Yeah he is a good Valorant player, I think he made the right decision career wise
tidal ridge
goats was over, there was no doomfist metas to be seen anywhere, and they had rascal and architect (at the time)
hot heart
That hanzo game was the biggest carry I've seen in my entire life
weak bolt
Justice had a pretty horrid season really. Corey/Stratus leaving, Lullsish stuck in EU
Does make you wonder how they'd have done with Lullsish/Ellivote tank line up instead of Roar
tight hill
Sinatra wasnāt even that great on anything other than doom wasnāt like loosing a role star or anything
tawdry hamlet
hot heart
He was an incredible player but yeah the metas did help him out a bit
Best zarya and maybe the best doom in OWL
weak bolt
His Zarya was very very good, and then I feel like goats burned him out so he didn't want to grind dps much
weak bolt
If he'd been invested after Goats, I reckon he'd have been able to grind nearly any hero to top level
tight hill
Iāve never seen a tracer better than striker
true hound
kabaji
tight hill
It feels like everything he does is with a propose
true hound
š
next mesa
cabbage > striker
plush light
Sinatra wasnāt even that great on anything other than doom wasnāt like loosing a...
Sinatraa was good at whatever he wanted to be. He just didn't have motivation for some things
hot heart
Oh yeah
next mesa
and then i just called him stupid it was very nice
hot heart
ID2
next mesa
omg u were there
tidal ridge
my point is is that shock didnt need him because they had 4 other dps players
hot heart
Yeah dude
tidal ridge
and goats was over
hot heart
Witnessed the tomfoolery
balmy wolf
Yeah he was not as good as he used to be
next mesa
they would've been in big trouble
tight hill
The game passed Sinatra by a bit
balmy wolf
Iām back
hot heart
He has arrived
tidal ridge
@next mesa crusty...
weak bolt
He wasn't bad, he'd just lost motivation
balmy wolf
This Levy dude called me stupid because of my opinion
hot heart
Dont remember
tidal ridge
what was ur opinion
hot heart
But i remember calling your opinion stupid
balmy wolf
That Sinatra wasnāt as good as he once was at the start of season 3
tight hill
I just never saw Sinatra as a top DPS over people like architect and profit
balmy wolf
^
hot heart
Because holy fuck did it not make sense
next mesa
@tidal ridge his opinion was sinatraa quit because he was getting bad
next mesa
when he literally came out of an mvp season, like ok bro 
tidal ridge
i think that zarya and doom were his best heroes
tight hill
when he literally came out of an mvp season, like ok bro <:TracerThumbsUp:585666...
When he was on Zarya
weak bolt
If you stop caring for a game, you're performance is going to reflect that. Doesn't make him bad
next mesa
and doom
tight hill
Oh and one more hero
balmy wolf
Oh yeah two trick
hot heart
????
tidal ridge
i liked sinatraa because he went kyky mode and was like "guys trust me im going doom ok"
hot heart
What
balmy wolf
Thanks for reminding us Levy
tidal ridge
but the difference between him and kyky is that it actually worked
hot heart
Have you seen his tracer
weak bolt
If he was bad, he wouldn't have been picked up for Valorant instantly, or be like one of the best players in that game
cobalt spoke
2 heroes in a season when most other dps only played 2 heroes is fine
balmy wolf
Thatās because of his CSGO background
hot heart
Okay?
balmy wolf
??
weak bolt
He was just a victim of Goats, the same as Corey
tidal ridge
also that sova is literally a carbon copy of hanzo
hot heart
He's still incredibly well talented
So even if he didnt have a background in CSGO
He'd probably still get picked up
tidal ridge
sinatraa god gamer
next mesa
you think he was picked just because of his csgo background
that he hasn't played for like years
next mesa
not because he just came off of a owl s2 mvp and owwc mvp season
noble nexus
or the season championship
true hound
valorant copped a bunch of OW players thinking that OW plays something like valorant
except theyāre 2 super different games
balmy wolf
Thatās OW players on Faze are so bad
true hound
the ones who excelled have csgo back ground
dafran stomped in Val bcuz he is good at CSGO
balmy wolf
Exactly
tidal ridge
u mean corey and babybay?
plush light
Sinatraa was good. Can you name a hero he was below average at?
weak bolt
Didn't Faze just win their 2 games this weekend?
tidal ridge
@plush light echo because he left before he could play it
weak bolt
When players lose interest in a game and stop caring, their performance drops. It's not really a hard concept or unique to OW. Doesn't mean they couldn't do it if they were motivated
plush light
@tidal ridge that makes no sense, how do know he's bad at something you haven't seen him play?
tidal ridge
it was a joke
tight hill
Sinatra was good, I just donāt think he was a major loss to the game of Overwatch
tight hill
Sinatraa was good. Can you name a hero he was below average at?
Name a hero on DPS he was top 5 on other than doom
plush light
Name a hero on DPS he was top 5 on other than doom
Tracer, genji, sombra
tight hill
Sombra?
plush light
In sombra goats
tight hill
He barley played sombra
plush light
He's very similar to how danteh is now
tight hill
?
plush light
Remember sinatraa reinhardt
raw ermine
I doubt sinatraa was top 5 in genji.
plush light
He just had architect on his team and was a god at tracer
balmy wolf
Tracer Doom Sombra ( Zarya)
true hound
tracer?
bruh there r like
so many good tracers in the league
profit decay shax carpe striker
tight hill
Architect
How is he top 5 sombra Iām confused
There are like 2 players on souel alone I whould have on sombra over him
trail perch
Everyone here who says sinatraa was only good on doom and zarya just didnt watch s2
Its a fact
Yall are just posers
Because stage 4 sinatraa was just as good as erster
And anyone who says otherwise just didnt watch it
His sombra was insane in stage 3
and his widow was comparable to diem
tight hill
Heās good on other heroās nobody is arguing that
trail perch
Name a hero on DPS he was top 5 on other than doom
...
tight hill
and his widow was comparable to diem
I donāt want to fight this anymore
weak bolt
There just isn't the data in OWL to say whether he was top 5 or not. From what we saw, he had potential to be top5 on nearly any hero he wanted to
tight hill
Just because heās not too 5 doesnāt mean heās a non-serviceable player itās the exact opposite
trail perch
If you just watched stage 4 you would know
earnest leaf
Sinatraa's main pull was his leadership
Mechanically he was pretty damn good, but wasn't something a tier above everyone else
tight hill
Sinatraa's main pull was his leadership
I agree
earnest leaf
It was his use outside of his raw mechanics and skill at heroes on why he was so good
trail perch
He wasnt a tier above, he was the top tier
at pure DPS, erster/corey level
The very top
tight hill
Your just a shock fanboy
trail perch
Im not
earnest leaf
corey and erster iirc only did really wells stage 4 of s2
trail perch
I was a Vancouver fan
I think that he wasnt the best zarya
And I simp for SMS and Crimzo
tight hill
@trail perch sit back and listen to what Iām saying instead of talking
earnest leaf
corey suffered from ass team early s3 but even then never showed more than what we already have seen from him
and erster has been avg all season
tight hill
I think he was a great player, but the narrative that he was the best DPS player in OWL is just not correct
trail perch
name 5 dps players in s2 who where better
tight hill
Profit
earnest leaf
It's hard for s2 since 3 stages were goats
trail perch
uhhhhhhhh
tight hill
Carpe
trail perch
uhhhhhhh
earnest leaf
then dps were all forced onto doom/reaper for the rest
tight hill
Yeah
trail perch
It seems like you didnt watch it
earnest leaf
Also comparing dps players needs to be narrowed down to the two dps roles
flex dps and hitscan dps
weak bolt
Lets face it, Sinatraa barely got to play DPS in OWL. What he did play though, was MVP level
tight hill
Sinatraa played both
And his widow was as good as diem right?
trail perch
Yeah
earnest leaf
?
tight hill
Ok
trail perch
Did you watch stage 3?
tight hill
Yes
weak bolt
Sinatraa wasn't a Widow player
trail perch
He flexed to widow and sombra in goats
tight hill
Widow wasnāt in goats dude
trail perch
During the goats era, he flexxed to widow and sombra
tight hill
Nobody played widow in goats
trail perch
Ok so again you didnt watch stage 3
bc most teams didnt play normal goats
and the shock played a shit ton of shanghai comp
tight hill
Yeah sombra goats
trail perch
which had sinatraa on widow and sombra
next mesa
it was widow
tight hill
Am I wrong about this?
next mesa
diem was also on widow
trail perch
Yes you are
weak bolt
Sinatraa played Doom, sombra and Zarya in S3.
Sinatraa played 90 seconds of Widow in OWL
weak bolt
4mins 50s of Genji
tight hill
I remember the Shanghai comp but I donāt remember a ton more than that
weak bolt
22hours, 35 mins of Zarya
tight hill
Lamo
trail perch
Where are you getting these numbers from
tight hill
A whole day almost
weak bolt
OWL StatLab
tight hill
But widow better than diem for sure
earnest leaf
sombra goats was being used, but normal goats was still used more often
tight hill
Huh guess I watched too much souel in s2 because I remembered only sombra goats for awhile
weak bolt
Stage 3 Finals, his playime; 1h48 Zarya, 1h1 Sombra, Tracer 6m41. His top 3 played heroes
tight hill
@trail perch where are you getting numbers
weak bolt
Striker played the Widow
trail perch
Im trying to find it
tight hill
Dude he didint play widow
earnest leaf
Sinatraa wasn't the widow player
tight hill
And super has played more genji than he did in s2
earnest leaf
Nor was widow even played that much in s2
tight hill
Maybe not that...
cobalt spoke
OWL has a stats viewer
tawdry hamlet
striker on da widow go pew
weak bolt
That graphic does make me laugh. Super bastion, viol2t Mcree lol
karmic grotto
I disagree, it's not a funny graphic /s
tawdry hamlet
flat brook
Seominsoo and architect is going to be the best dps battle ever
Along coach andante and pajion
raw ermine
It shows super playing a tiny bit of mercy there lol
silk frost
viol2t ball viol2t ball
raw ermine
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/here-s-how-the-latest-covid-19-relief-program-bill-c-9-will-affect-you-1.5198933
LMAO were getting bill C-9 in canada
it's beautiful
weak bolt
Is today the day BH finally lose a match
weak bolt
yeah rematch from yesterday, and BH looking not too great
Obey already won a 6 map series like an hour ago too
raw ermine
did
did Naga dodge grav flux with duplicate, and stun the enemy sigma out of flux, then charge flux himself and wipe the team?
if he did
what a chad
weak bolt
He dodged flux with duplicate, but I dont think he stunned out the flux, he was just the only one in it
Orisa fortified out
weak bolt
I dont see BH pulling off another reverse sweep
I wonder if they've been not scrimming as much due to Spitfire related stuff
weak bolt
Got to assume they're picking up another hitscan too, as Sparkr isn't of age till mid season I think
silk frost
Linkzr?
raw ermine
oh shit bastion
silk frost
Lethal is a fuckin memer lol
raw ermine
wtf
weak bolt
How do you beat BH? Just use totally random strats for surprise
raw ermine
he just did a ranked-style from the top ropes bastion jump into the backlines
silk frost
most likely Molf, Ripa, and Dannedd have been scrimming with AdmiralRaptr, Benbest, and Linkzr/cockwave/onigod
or some other ms
weak bolt
Latest rumours are Shockwave to Fusion at the moment
weak bolt
Kellex is probably ok to keep as MS. Other option would be someone like Kruise
weak bolt
Lethal going to pull the Torb out next...
weak bolt
Wonder how many players have played Sym, bastion and Mei in the same competitive match
raw ermine
don't do this again
silk frost
this is the BH that logged on
next mesa
widow pick?
earnest leaf
is this first to 3?
weak bolt
Sparkr on Widow
next mesa
its paused for me
earnest leaf
or first to 4
weak bolt
Yeah first to 3
earnest leaf
k
raw ermine
uh oh
weak bolt
This is looking like a gg
weak bolt
BH boomed
raw ermine
oh my
tropic herald
are BH really about to lose this one
raw ermine
I was here
raw ermine
Pharah for lethal?
weak bolt
It's ok
raw ermine
OH MAN
weak bolt
They've started preparing for OWL
next mesa
gg
raw ermine
GG
earnest leaf
man
tropic herald
Obey and BH players better be looked at
silk frost
IT HAPPENED
next mesa
I don't know
tropic herald
some really good talent
weak bolt
Got to get used to losing ready to join Spitfire š
earnest leaf
from all I hear about BH, I thought they were godly
raw ermine
they were
earnest leaf
I just saw a team burn ults like they were in plat and got 3-0ed lmao
next mesa
wait
raw ermine
but they are merely mortal now
next mesa
does this mean
tropic herald
they were very good earlier in the year
next mesa
does BH go to gauntlet?
weak bolt
I think this meta has been super fortunate for Obey Alliance as well
next mesa
they stiull do right
tropic herald
i believe obey and bh go to gauntlet
next mesa
yeah
tropic herald
just bh is lower seed
weak bolt
BH using the shock tactic. You take a defeat early on then go to win the championship
next mesa
Bh inting guys
fierce crest
holy shit man
next mesa
trust
tropic herald
na bracket on soon pog
weak bolt
NA has looked pretty weak
earnest leaf
sounds normal
tropic herald
american tornado and odyysey have alright rosters
weak bolt
Yeah a bunch of those 2 rosters were in Paris tryouts recently I believe
next mesa
dpei said they were hot trash lmao
earnest leaf
the NA contenders teams?
tropic herald
i feel like the talent in na thats all good is below 18
raw ermine
the swearing mouffin
weak bolt
Txao just spent his winnings on a fine
The NA talent is ok, but vs Korean? its meh
Lukemino could potentially get on a western roster I think
earnest leaf
vancouver or houston or something
weak bolt
Paris, Houston, London maybe
earnest leaf
I wonder if next year we'll have a boston type team
that is just mega bad at all times
weak bolt
Boston š
next mesa
I'm just sad that we won't be able to see some of these korean and china contender teams at full strength
š
earnest leaf
boston could do it again yea lol
weak bolt
yeah its kinda shitty timing that these contenders teams are losing players before gauntlet
tropic herald
yeah runaway wgs and em gonna look less strong
weak bolt
Should be something to allow OWL teams to let them complete contenders season or something if they were already present
tropic herald
so maybe talon looks really good?
weak bolt
Depends how quick Piggy and Feath5r get signed I guess
silk frost
yeah
and it also depends on if CC gets a good Off tank to replace Lige
tall order, but
weak bolt
Just grab Jjanu for 2 weeks or something š
silk frost
or see if Lige can still play with you somehow
tropic herald
piggy and feather def have contracts in front of them but i bet they want to run out their tendies time
silk frost
2 way for a bit
tropic herald
lige cant two way
weak bolt
Problem is the OWL teams are going to want to get players working with them ASAP to start Visa stuff and what not. Can't do that without signed contracts
tawdry hamlet
ah sweet. now we can see who paris is getting 
I predict all of obey is paris now
lmao
I still have no idea what paris is going to do
makes me wonder
weak bolt
Paris probably going to wait till everyone else is done
Then sign the best you can get 50k
tropic herald
its prbably not something the teams decided
next mesa
Just wishful thinking
next mesa
okay american tornado also looks kinda bad? 
tidal ridge
Nisha
valid bobcat
I think this is where I would talk about this, but are there any tournaments that are based around lower elos? please ping me if you have an answer
high basalt
hidden vault
but you have no kneecap..
balmy wolf
hot heart
Overall standings for the 2020 season of the Overwatch League, what team surprised you the most and what team disappointed you the most?
sour magnet
thats a fair view, i was just thinking roster wise the paris and LAV rosters had completely fresh talent and a low budget
so no one expected a lot
hot heart
Seoul and atlanta disappointed big time regular season
sour magnet
and Atlanta everyone thought would be top 3 and flopped
sour magnet
Supported ATL in early 2019 just for dafran then swapped to chengdu coz they're just fun to watch
hot heart
His tracer if he kept practicing and improving would've been pretty good this year
sour magnet
im EU so the Apac matches were way more time friendly
so NA teams were more watch after or results
hot heart
Pain
glossy dawn
Supported ATL in early 2019 just for dafran then swapped to chengdu coz they're ...
Stan leave now
š
tawdry hamlet
Paris top 4 surprised me since they were kind of 
All things considered, paris actually had an okay run last season
Shame they dumped everyone
shell forum
i mean, fusion surprised me a lot
tawdry hamlet
Eh they had the best roster regardless of synergy or comp aside from shock tbh
And shanghai of course
So it was expected at least for me, I mean carpe and ivy and alarm
Tbh I thought they'd win the whole thing
next mesa
I don't think people expected Alarm to be that good
At the beginning of the season
Oh well
tawdry hamlet
They were my prediction to win the whole thing then lost like 3 series in a row 
I think in double shield they could have won the whole thing maybe
But shanghai was slapping during that time too
slow kraken
Guess weāll see who has the better coaching, Paris or Dallas
raw ermine
Anyone have a clip if myungbong hitting that nuts sleep dart on the widow?
plush grail
imagine if the fucking budget paris end up beating the stacked dallas
hidden vault
if they are getting eu it's not cheap
next mesa
@raw ermine
Title is wrong it was the widow
Hold on the website is shit
Here you go
hot heart
God myungbong's such a beast
raw ermine
Thanks!
solar bison
What a god
hot heart
I truly dont understand why he re-signed with boston
next mesa
either 1. he doesn't care about winning and just wants to get the bag (which i'll be disappointed)
or he thinks boston will do some good moves this season (which I doubt)
silk frost
He wants to win with them
He has faith in the other players
Which is one of the main reasons I do
hot heart
There's no winning boston next year
Yes they might be good
But you can't win
The competition is just too high
next mesa
you never know dude, which is why u play the games
hot heart
Idk
next mesa
well only because striker was on the team, lmao
hidden vault
all I'm saying that there's a possibility
hidden vault
yes
hidden vault
or maybe Myungbong signed a 1+1
next mesa
what if fusions because super good at the new tanks
hot heart
Chex needs to master the OW2 heroee
next mesa
fusions is not though
balmy wolf
Fusions is the IRL Steve from minecraft
Can someone make a meme of fusions head photoshopped on Steve for me
silk frost
he can be good
that's all I'm sayin
I'm the biggest Fusions stan you'll ever meet
Nisha
interesting
don't remember them very well, they were forgettable for me
tidal ridge
who
also i want nero to go to glads to reunite with moth and shu
but hes most likely going to ATL
next mesa
in the comments:
Nisha, formerly known as Illusion, was seen as the best Chinese main support in 2018 when he played on T1w, overtaken by hoyoqian, now known as superich, in 2019 and 2020. This year, he's solidly placed himself as the 2nd best CN support in Contenders on Bilibili Gaming. He is a solid and consistent player. If Superich is a LeeJaeGon, think of Nisha as an Anamo. Quiet, won't win you games, but will not lose you games.
While I don't necessarily agree with signing him over Superich, Chengdu has decided on him.
tropic herald
mustve worked out in tryouts
sullen berry
apparently there's like a better ms in contenders
Speaking of Contenders China, 1987 is a good main support
next mesa
isn't he flex
sullen berry
Hmm
next mesa
yea he is
sullen berry
I am getting the two mixed
next mesa
well nisha just got signed
tidal ridge
man
next mesa
look truth is
if you're hot, you are instantly 200% more eligible to join chengdu
it's just a team full of chads
I mean look at this man
tidal ridge
everyone in chengdu is weirdly attractive
sullen berry
It's because they work out
tidal ridge
at least 2020 chengdu
sullen berry
I would gym with this mang
Watching the EU semis and its so weird that were no longer using bap's window anymore
tidal ridge
they should switch symmetra and bap's ult size
vagrant jacinth
Chengdu chad meta
hot heart
while I don't know nisha, I just wanna say he's hot
Yes
sullen berry
they should switch symmetra and bap's ult size
I think bap's window lacks height, not width
tidal ridge
nobody in chengdu is ugly
sullen berry
The order which they should have tweaked the size of the pane is window > door > 4th wall > symmetra great wall
tidal ridge
they should make it like extremely small length wise but make the height reach the skies
definitely would be worth to use
sullen berry
Rotating that would be inconvenient
tidal ridge
just a large neon green line
sullen berry
I think they knew they can't mess with the height too much
next mesa
okay subjectively only leave and like maybe elsa are not considered "attractive" by normal social norms but like
š
tidal ridge
nobody has a bad face
sullen berry
Look at Yveltal before and after OWL
tidal ridge
where can u even find a picture of yvetal before owl
also yvetal 2 way captain is so funny
imagine ur captain being a 2 way
tidal ridge
lmfao
hot heart
Speedily liked the post if that means anything
next mesa
lmao his phjotoshop wtf
solar bison
Interesting
next mesa
alright, great
now we can see shockwave not get wasted on titans
good shit
then I just feel it's unlikely that heesu re-sign
tidal ridge
YO THE FUCK IS THAT PICTURE
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I KNOW RIGHT LMAO
hidden vault
Finally some western dps for philly
vagrant jacinth
Rip shockwave to London dream
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big c9
vagrant jacinth
And holy shit will we ever see a pic of shockwave that isn't garbo
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shockwave looks better in the actual game facecam things
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see his hair
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than any photograph ever
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looks like he's wearing a hat
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those green contours
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Teh fuck is cockwave on Philly doing
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it's the green screen and the color key not applying properly it's hilarious
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philly spent their whole budget on carpe's re-signing they couldnt give my man shockwave a good picture
worn falcon
i mean shockwave
silk frost
cockwave
plush grail
shockwave is his gamertag, cockwave is his legal name
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i thought the sign was good before i saw the picture]
now we gotta start #freeshockwave again
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I dont know if i like cockwave as sub for Ivy but huh i guess can work
so this leave Rascal
where he can go?
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well
shockwave is hitscan
so
not gonna be subbing for ivy
maybe
echo or double hitscan
raw ermine
CHECK OWL YT CHANNEL
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ON MOBILE SO I CAN'T DO ANYTHING USEFUL
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OMG
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UPDATES ABOUT S4
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true hound
YEP COCKWAVE
sullen berry
Not surefour
Updates on sureseason 4 
plush grail
keep eyes on IM37?
plush grail
wow i can't believe jon is deleting widow
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ivy got released?
plush grail
ivy to nyxl was rumored
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Shock vs the world sounds suuuuper fun
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imma 1v1 Ans on widow
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YEP COCK
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I bet you could clap his cheeks
oh yeah I forgot ivy was released, LOL
they are going with eqo it seems like
anyway dude
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where is diem going
honestly some guy should just invest in busan or something and make a team full of the FAs
and ryujehong
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Check rules re: players kissing strategy
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they did the bowling alley thing in the simpsons. Sadly, sideshow wasn't a guest
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he is most definitely going to be gone imo
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yea
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he removed philly branding from his twitter, and then shockwave gets signed
not looking bright for a heesu re-signing
tropic herald
Philly looking more EU this season
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heesu to london would make so little sense
which is why i want it to happen
heesu to toronto makes sense
raw ermine
that would be pog
tawdry hamlet
Whoever picks up Heesu and Diem will hopefully be a solid team, since the scrub teams won't put out that much salary to get a top 13 finish
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heesu and diem to toronto
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logix 
@raw ermine let's look at a team that has used 3 hitscans model before
oh? 2 time champion?
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Someone like nyxl will probably swoop up one of them tbh
raw ermine
sfs?
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what other team is a 2 time champion
tawdry hamlet
Unless paris actually goes for expensive shit which they won't
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Heesu ivy on nyxl would be kind of poggers
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in 2019, they had striker, a hitscan, sinatraa, a flex, architect, a flex, and rascal, a projectile
hardly 3 dedicated hitscan
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2020
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ok maybe 2020 they did
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ta1yo only got played on genji, and is a project for crusty.
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i think logix, heesu, diem, and rascal could be cool
tawdry hamlet
So then, whoever gets these last few dps have a shot at being one of the powerhouses lowkey since the remaining dps on the table are kind of really good
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but can toronto afford rascal
plush light
in 2019, they had striker, a hitscan, sinatraa, a flex, architect, a flex, and r...
Rascal plays anything and everything
tawdry hamlet
Like Heesu ivy diem rascal
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I still don't consider him hitscan, he is flex, but plays only projectile
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we're talking toronto so logix is there
unless they go to nyxl then heesu, ivy, diem, rascal is possible
plush light
Architect also plays any and everything. Same with libero, fl0w3r (when he was good), decay, profit, and fleta
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philly was leaked to be leading the rascal contract bids
tawdry hamlet
I think thonk philly might shell out the money but toronto would look a whole lot better if they had rascal
Still debating on worst team of s4 so far, paris and vancouver are top two contenders
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Rn
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i think if toronto signs philly players
hot heart
There are some really good dps on the market
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toronto vs philly would be an excellent rivalry
I think vancouver would lose to paris and paris has no players so
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I think toronto will pick up either heesu or libero
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i think at least one more former philly player is going to toronto
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Philly are winning the bidding war over rascal
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KDG loves his players
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or heesu
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yeah heesu has a tracer
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Dude
Imagine if toronto just sign rascal and diem
The power move of all power moves
Actually that'd be dallas for picking up all of former EM and fearless
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the power move of all power moves is dallas 50 man roster of every EM player ever
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Shock vs World is going to make Supers ego uncontrollable if they win things
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only if they win against the dream team probs
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Shock is going to replace rascal with super, their new flex god
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super always replaced rascal
super is just too good
remember that one time he played brig and got like 100k healing
plush light
Remember that one time he played zen
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yeah
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Anyone remember architect widow?
raw ermine
arch that is, not super
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Who got riptire in a whole round
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are you saying super isn't gigaflex?
weak bolt
Imagine if Shock just turn up to the event with like 3 new signings and dominate
plush light
Did you see that clip of super playing ana on stream?
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Imagine if Shock just turn up to the event with like 3 new signings and dominate
Whats the event anyway
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i wonder how much casores helped in the playoffs
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Is it like an invitational
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It's at Blizzconline
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Oh
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Shock vs bunch of 'dream' teams
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Didn't have time to watch the vid
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in various events
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agape starts playing lmfao
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Thats cool
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crusty starts playing
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I assume a bit like All-Stars
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Would love to see former vancouver against the new shock and shanghai
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i would wanna see 2017 south korea world cup team vs shock
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Looking like none of that 2017 team in OWL this year, how times change
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Ah yeah not sure why I read that as Mek0
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tobi probably will
trail perch
and maybe SBB if he impresses in tryouts
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but bruh imagine
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None of the French/Swedish/Canadian/US team either
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tobi and jehong comes in a package
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SBB, fl0w3r, zunba, mano, jehong, tobi vs ans, striker, choihyobin, smurf, twilight fdgod
that would be hilarious
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Quite scary really when you look at that 2017 OWWC, nearly every single player in it is no longer in OWL
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arhan was t1 coach
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Honestly 2018 SK roster vs Shock would be fun to see
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miro, zunba, esca, tairong, arhan, fl0w3r, sbb, jehong, tobi
how about a meaty 9 man roster
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Fleta, Libero, Carpe, Fury, Fate, Jjonak and Anamo
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Crusty vs Crusty
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let's do something fun
if 2020 WC were to happen what would be the best team SK
it would just be sfs and shanghai and profit imo lol
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Depends what the meta is
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Fearless Smurf Void
Profit Striker Fleta Fits
Viol2t Twilight Tobi
I take fits over ans, because he has a sombra but otherwise I mean
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let's say we're on the patch right now
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It dont really matter
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WC teams are 7 players max, which makes it hard
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Smurf Void
Fits Striker Architect
Viol2t Tobi
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I think they keep it at that as Blizz pay for a bunch of the expenses
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actually
you don't really need striker
when you have profit tracer you're right
the closest thing to striker tracer
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Rascal covers you for nearly all flex, and he can play flex support if needed
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SADO Choihyobin
Ans Rascal Decay
Myunb0ng/Shu Jecse
wildcard team
took me so long to think of a decent korean MS
my god
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i couldnt think of a tracer specialist besides striker
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Funny thing is you can probably make 3 or 4 korean rosters and they'd still win
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lmao
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fleta and striker
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besides like saebyeolbe
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i was making a team of people u didnt say
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Funny thing is you can probably make 3 or 4 korean rosters and they'd still win
true dude
I think you can make a contenders super team and maybe win
actually not against china
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USA is harder without sinatraa, corey, or babybay
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even if they have
like peak usa last year
would get stomped by korea this year in my opinion
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yeah Korea would take it seriously this year