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[tidal ridge]

im really unhappy with justice, kind of feels like they spent all their money on mag and decay

[next mesa]

closer...

[tidal ridge]

closer.................

[next mesa]

I dont know dude

[tidal ridge]

cant tell if you think it is a good signing or bad signing

[raw ermine]

Why man

He is so mediocre or worse

[hot heart]

Okay so

Justice just went from possible top 3 NA to Def below top 5

[tidal ridge]

justice will be #10

they spent all their money on mag and decay

so they cant re-sign jjanu and stitch

so they downgrade from stitch to jerry

and then they drop aimgod, which is something i can side with

but then they sign BeBe??

[cedar oasis]

We need to remember

[tidal ridge]

barely an upgrade?

and then CLOSER???

[cedar oasis]

Any person can improve alot to being top 5 at their role

[tidal ridge]

closer has been in the league since 2017 chief, he's definitely peaked.

[cedar oasis]

Lool at sado

He was trash for 2 years

Now he is good

[next mesa]

stitch to jerry is definitely not a downgrade

although it's not much of an upgrade either

[cedar oasis]

We just need to give people chances

Then we call them washed

[next mesa]

yeah

[cedar oasis]

Tbh

Even if closer is bad

Decay can still carry them

[tidal ridge]

lets look at a team called the Dallas Fuel

[cedar oasis]

Decay did carry dallas

[hot heart]

I thino stitch to Jerry was a downgrade

But tbh

If they had to do it

Im okay with it

[sour magnet]

Washington has gone from a top 3 to a top 6 imo

[hot heart]

But genuinely

[sour magnet]

@cedar oasis decay also left the Dallas because he had to carry

[hot heart]

What the fuck is with the closer pick up

[sour magnet]

Such high hopes when there roster was looking like decay stitch jjanu mag

Just praying the ria wasn’t true

[tidal ridge]

washington spent all their money on decay and mag

[sour magnet]

With meko and fury on the market there’s so much better

[tidal ridge]

IMAGINE

if they still had jjanu and stitch

slime would see his runaway friends on the team and join

and then they could possibly even keep aimgod

[sour magnet]

Spark looking like a sneaky team tho there roster is kinda popping

[tidal ridge]

decay ttuba stitch mag jjanu aimgod slime

thats way better than the shit we have now

[cedar oasis]

Idk about slime

[tidal ridge]

fuck it zarya main

slime has synergy with stitch and jjanu

thats the thing

[sour magnet]

Probably not that big of a price tag too

[tidal ridge]

^^^

[cedar oasis]

Does slime play other healers besides lucio?

[sour magnet]

Yeah

[tidal ridge]

yeah hes a MS

[cedar oasis]

But is he good at them

[tidal ridge]

i mean not better than your moths or funnyastros

[sour magnet]

There’s so many good off tanks in the league rn and ria just isn’t one of them

[tidal ridge]

since western MS are for some reason better than korean ones

[sour magnet]

Eitherway Mag and decay would of made up for that

But I don’t think forcing them into a. Carry is the best idea

[next mesa]

saying top 3 is just

[sour magnet]

It should of been a solid team with them making it top tier

They’re not top 3 tho

[tidal ridge]

decay ttuba stitch mag jjanu aimgod slime just fucking imagine

[next mesa]

a stretch

[tidal ridge]

what do we even have now

decay ttuba jerry mag ria (apparently) closer bebe

[next mesa]

decay ttuba mag bebe jerry

[sour magnet]

Shock, Glads, Dallas then possibly Toronto/Philly might all be ahead of them

[tidal ridge]

the fuck is going on with this team

[next mesa]

why are you so mad lmao

[sour magnet]

And that’s just NA

[next mesa]

jerry is not a downgrade

[tidal ridge]

im not mad

[next mesa]

over stitch

[cedar oasis]

Jerry is good

[tidal ridge]

he is in my opinion

stitch popped in the playoffs

[cedar oasis]

He has potential

[next mesa]

He's really not

[sour magnet]

Jerry was average on a bad team

[next mesa]

jerry popped in the playoffs as well

jerry was not average

[tidal ridge]

jerry was very inconsistent

[next mesa]

and stitch is always mediocre

[hot heart]

He was average

[cedar oasis]

Who is washingtons head coach?

[tidal ridge]

sup7eme

[sour magnet]

He looked better than he was because he had the shitters beside him

[hot heart]

Stitch popped in playoffs

[tidal ridge]

or something like that

[next mesa]

so did jerry

in the playoffs

[hot heart]

Sup7eme

[next mesa]

washington just had decay on zarya

[hot heart]

I still think stitch was better

[cedar oasis]

Is he a good coach?

[hot heart]

Uh

Yeah ig

Idk

[tidal ridge]

i mean it probably was decays idea to go on zarya

[next mesa]

you should trust the coaches

[sour magnet]

Stitch isn’t a carry he’s just a good player, if your teams not good neither is he, if your team is good he is good

[tidal ridge]

i cant imagine sup7eme be like "ok decay u zarya only entire playoffs"

or maybe he did

[sour magnet]

“Trust the coaches” because that’s worked for Washington I. The past

[tidal ridge]

idk

[next mesa]

why not

[tidal ridge]

i mean of course it worked

[next mesa]

@sour magnet they switched head coach

lmao

[tidal ridge]

but if it didnt it wouldnt be decays fault

[next mesa]

hello

[sour magnet]

Don’t think it matters

Trusting the coaches hasn’t worked consistently in the Overwatch league

[next mesa]

why does it not

Why does it not

[tidal ridge]

yo i trust kyky a lot tho

[next mesa]

you literally switched the person

[tidal ridge]

i wonder if dallas wouldve been good if they had good coaching in s1

[cedar oasis]

Maybe

We will never know

The best team has the best coach

In shock

[tidal ridge]

whos idea was it to trade custa for unkoe

[sour magnet]

What are Sup7emes past coaching? Hangzhou? A consistently mid table team with a top table roster?

Hangzhou under preformed for the talent they had

QOQ, GodSB, Architect shouldn’t be a core that’s mid table

[tidal ridge]

Okay

Sup7eme was coaching hangzhou in S2

lol

[next mesa]

lol what are you on

[sour magnet]

I swear he was also for a portion of S3

[next mesa]

qoq and architect wasn't even on spark

[sour magnet]

And then they just signed assistant coaches

[next mesa]

in s2

[tidal ridge]

no he left in the off season

[next mesa]

no he wasn't

[tidal ridge]

but sup7eme isnt as proven as

like

crusty, kdg, ninek, junkbunk, of course not

[next mesa]

washington has just gotten better

after he became head coach

[sour magnet]

Mb Eitherway coaching in Overwatch has consistently been a second thought for 90% of teams

[next mesa]

it's just so simple

[cedar oasis]

S2 spark was top 5

[next mesa]

yeah

that's also true

[sour magnet]

Lol yes take playoffs a meta that was 100% made for them

[cedar oasis]

Spark was like 4th s2

[next mesa]

?

It was fair game for everyone buddy

[sour magnet]

Lol I’m not saying it wasn’t

But the meta favoured them completely

[next mesa]

in what way

[sour magnet]

I doubt he had any input in that

[next mesa]

you think decay had a really good zarya before

[tidal ridge]

i feel like justice shouldnt have been in the playoffs in the first place

[sour magnet]

Decay Zarya

[tidal ridge]

lul

[next mesa]

decay zarya was dogshit

in goats

[sour magnet]

Aimgod on the one hero he could play

Ark on the one hero he could play

[next mesa]

you mean ana and zen

[sour magnet]

Roar not in the game

[next mesa]

yeah so?

[tidal ridge]

roar not in the game won justice the playoffs lol

[sour magnet]

They played ana mercy

[next mesa]

I dont get your points

[sour magnet]

They had they’re 3 worst players either not playing or on comfort roles

Ttuba also on his comfort role

[cedar oasis]

Washington fans?

[sour magnet]

No

[next mesa]

like it or not they got third in NA

[cedar oasis]

Or haters?

[sour magnet]

Mid

[tidal ridge]

im a washington fan/hater

[sour magnet]

LOL

They’re not 3rd with that back line

[next mesa]

they were

lol

[sour magnet]

Facepalm

Ur taking 1 meta

[tidal ridge]

in the playoffs

what patch was grand finals on actually

[next mesa]

they were third in the playoffs

the hog one

[sour magnet]

London was the best team s1 you can’t say anything else they won the finals

[tidal ridge]

o

[next mesa]

yeah london was the best team

[sour magnet]

Nah I’m leaving this convo

[next mesa]

alright have fun

[cedar oasis]

Idk if best means most consistent

Or placing

Or record

[next mesa]

why do you think shock won the grand finals

because they were the best

no matter what meta

[tidal ridge]

i mean nyxl was the most consistent in s1 but they shit the bed in like every playoffs

[sour magnet]

Shock was also consistently on top throughout the year

Washington was good in 1 meta same with London

NYXL was best s1 team just playoffs didn’t go there way and I’m not even an NYXL fan

[next mesa]

playoffs didn't go their way is such a cringe excuse

[sour magnet]

Looking purely at one big match to determine who the best team is overall is blind

[next mesa]

they won the grand finals it's just so simple

[sour magnet]

It’s like Saying faker is bad because T1 didn’t win

[cedar oasis]

To make it to the big match you have to win games

S1

[sour magnet]

That’s the issue it’s not that simple

[next mesa]

yeah lol

It is so simple

[sour magnet]

Your tiny brain just can’t wrap your head around it

[next mesa]

sure bud

[tidal ridge]

shanghai isn't bad, they just aren't the best

[next mesa]

it's like people complaining about fusion flopping in the playoffs

[tidal ridge]

bad is not the opposite of best

[next mesa]

like they just got fucking rolled after having 2 months to prepare

[sour magnet]

So in your mind

[next mesa]

and then people blame the meta LOL

[cedar oasis]

I dont think justice would have made it to the playoffs if they didnt invite everyone

[sour magnet]

Seoul was the 2nd best 2020 team

[next mesa]

yes

[sour magnet]

Lmao

[next mesa]

in the playoffs they were

and playoffs is all that matters

[tidal ridge]

I mean they had the ability to adapt to a new patch in about 2(?) weeks and got 2nd place

AND they beat shanghai

who were the favorites

[sour magnet]

11th place in regular season but ok

[next mesa]

every team had 1 month to prepare

so?

[sour magnet]

To be the best you can’t just flop every match

[next mesa]

they got second lol

they got second

[sour magnet]

Ignoring teams having bad metas is so ignorant

[tidal ridge]

i mean with the old playoffs model, seoul still wouldve made it to the playoffs

[next mesa]

it's like saying the miami heat didn't deserve grand finals

[tidal ridge]

theyre still top 12

[next mesa]

because they were the sixth seed

and they just fucking roll the bucks

[sour magnet]

The issue is real life sports don’t have metas that completely change the game

[next mesa]

you had a month to prepare

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cedar oasis]

They dont completely change the game

[next mesa]

yes

[sour magnet]

Yes double offtank meta is consistently happening

Agreed

[tidal ridge]

i mean to your logic guangzhou is shit because they were only good in one meta

[next mesa]

shock has one off tank

[sour magnet]

Ark has been playing mercy only basically for 4 years, a month doesn’t get u to the level of comfort he had

[tidal ridge]

they werent the best but they werent horrible

[next mesa]

that can't play hog

they still adapted

[tidal ridge]

super...

[next mesa]

it's just called get gud

[sour magnet]

Guangzhou wasn’t shit in every other meta

[tidal ridge]

super can play every hero??

[sour magnet]

They were consistently 2nd-3rd

[next mesa]

@tidal ridge exactly super pulled out the hog

[sour magnet]

In Asia

[tidal ridge]

guangzhou were only consistent in double shield which was like 70% of this year

lmfao

[next mesa]

Playoffs is all that matters

[sour magnet]

But you believe Washington is one of the best teams in the league because they all got to play comfort

[next mesa]

Just like in summer showdown

[sour magnet]

For money and stuff like that playoffs is what matters

For actual skill

[next mesa]

Genji meta

[sour magnet]

That’s a blind assumption

[next mesa]

When everything is on the line that's where you prove your skill

[tidal ridge]

regular season matches do not matter by the fact that they are in the regular season, they matter because they count towards playoffs seeds

[next mesa]

Paris was the best in summer showdown

[tidal ridge]

this year they didnt matter as much but

shock, paris, florida, philly, shanghai

[sour magnet]

So you would say Paris was the best team in the world if the summer showdown was the finals

[tidal ridge]

No

because that was only NA

[sour magnet]

Paris best team NA then

[cedar oasis]

If a team wins the biggest competition then they should be the best

[tidal ridge]

Yes

[sour magnet]

If summer showdown was playoffs

Despite shocks consistent dominance across any other meta

[tidal ridge]

shock lost against florida

wait

[next mesa]

They didnt

[tidal ridge]

no

paris

they lost against paris

[next mesa]

Against paris

So they are worse than paris

[tidal ridge]

exactly

but the thing is

summer showdown wasnt the finals

it was ultimately lower stakes

[sour magnet]

But I’m saying if it was

U think Paris was the best team

[next mesa]

If it was

[sour magnet]

Coz they won that

[tidal ridge]

mentality is a big thing, which is what made seoul make it to the grand finals

[next mesa]

Then paris is the best team in NA

[tidal ridge]

seoul thrives off of pressure

[sour magnet]

After summer showdown you had Paris winning it all

[tidal ridge]

paris beat shock and then philly

[sour magnet]

After the summer showdown

In ur head

[tidal ridge]

therefore they are better than both

[next mesa]

For this year, hypothetically in your situation

[sour magnet]

U thought Paris was 100% winning

[tidal ridge]

regular season matches =/= high stake matches

[next mesa]

Paris is the best team

[sour magnet]

But we know they’re not

[next mesa]

No not after the genji meta

But they were

If it was summer showdown

[tidal ridge]

we know they're not because the summer showdown isn't the finals

and u said after summer showdown, if summer showdown was the finals then thats it

no more matches

[sour magnet]

But if all the teams played rn in the current meta Washington would be bottom again

But they’re the best

[tidal ridge]

so there would be nothing after that to contest that

[next mesa]

In which current meta

[tidal ridge]

theyre not the best

theyre 3rd in NA

[next mesa]

The one contenders are playing

[sour magnet]

So u think they’re still 3rd

In the current meta

[tidal ridge]

of course theyre not 3rd anymore they lost jjanu

[next mesa]

Ball soldier?

[tidal ridge]

and have fucking closer

[sour magnet]

No

I mean

2020 roster

[tidal ridge]

that doesnt matter

[next mesa]

Depends

[tidal ridge]

thats after playoffs

theres no more matches after playoffs

[next mesa]

We'll have to play the matches to find out

[tidal ridge]

unless the meta was the current one during the playoffs

the current meta doesnt mean shit

[next mesa]

This is why you actually play the matches

[tidal ridge]

to how good a team was

[sour magnet]

It does

[tidal ridge]

we are not in season 3 anymore

we're not wondering who was the best in season 3 with a meta during the off-season

[next mesa]

It doesn't charge flopped in the playoffs it doesn't matter that they were really good in double shield

[sour magnet]

I wasn’t until ur brain dead opinion popped up

[next mesa]

Because double shield wasn't in the playoffs

[sour magnet]

Charge was also good in dive

[next mesa]

Not really they got rolled in the playoffs

[sour magnet]

Playoffs wasn’t dive

[next mesa]

Sombra reaper

[sour magnet]

Which was the wrong meta

[next mesa]

Yeah

Too bad

[sour magnet]

Double offtank was stronger

In an dive meta

[tidal ridge]

as i see it, the meta in the playoffs decides it all. you have a month to prepare so it's a game of who can adapt to the meta in a month

[sour magnet]

Guangzhou was good

[tidal ridge]

in the regular season, if u lose a match because u couldn't adapt

next match u adapt better from the loss

that doesnt happen in the playoffs

[next mesa]

Philly beat justice with dive though

[sour magnet]

You guys are considerably overvaluing a month in a game that’s been around for 4years

[next mesa]

But they couldn't beat better teams

Why does the past 4 years marrer

[sour magnet]

Ark is learning mercy for 4 years

A month isn’t gonna teach me mercy

[next mesa]

I don't think lunatic hai is still the best team I'm not delusional

? So you think other main supports just

[tidal ridge]

i do

[sour magnet]

Apex pepega

[next mesa]

Don't play mercy

[sour magnet]

Lunatic Hai roster in that meta would lose to top teams now

[next mesa]

I know

In any meta they would lose now

[sour magnet]

Not because of the meta

Because the top teams are better now

[next mesa]

Because skill level increases

[sour magnet]

But let’s say lunatic hai takes 1 match off shock

Are they now the best

[next mesa]

1 match

Best of 7?

[sour magnet]

That’s why I didn’t say round

[next mesa]

Then yes

[sour magnet]

Yes best of 7!

In 1 meta

[next mesa]

Lunatic hai is now the best

[sour magnet]

They best shock

[next mesa]

Team in the world

[sour magnet]

Oml

[tidal ridge]

if it is the grand finals then yes

[sour magnet]

Yeah I give up

Ur not gna change hr mind

Enjoy ur ways of being wrong

[tidal ridge]

vancouver beat atlanta in a regular season match, not the grand finals

[next mesa]

Yeah you just don't seem to understand that in esports / any competitive sport all that matters is playoffs

[tidal ridge]

but from that match they are better

but not better permanently

since thats not the playoffs

[next mesa]

Washington might flop in s4 then they're won't be the third best na anymore

[tidal ridge]

CLOSER...

[silk frost]

Aight well Washington in the dumps

[next mesa]

have a little more faith in the coaches man 😩

PRE's process

In our tryouts we artificially enforce many different metas and situations. Mirroring certain comps, allowing one team to counter while one cannot, the list of situations is extremely long after our most intense try-out yet.

When we rebuilt last year we knew trying to make a team dominant in every meta, mid way through a season, would be very difficult. Instead we focused on a handful of situations where if we put our players in the right spot they could shine.

The result was a team that did GREAT in the play-offs, but if we're being honest, was more meta-dependent than we wanted. Closer (and Bebe) were 2 of the only supports in our entire tryout this year that could hold their own in every meta we threw at them. (3/4)

Having consistency in these roles is massive, we can trust Bebe and Closer to communicate, flex, and shine on this team no matter what OWL throws at us. While we aren't ready to stream our try-outs just yet, trust the process on these guys, they're hungry to win. (4/4)

this might backfire as having someone who's consistent but have less peak but

we'll have to see

[silk frost]

I do admire that

But I have to wonder who else their tryouts were

Like did they trial Kariv? SanGuiNar? Bdosin? Anamo?

[next mesa]

I dont know

maybe some contenders a swell

[silk frost]

That would make sense

[next mesa]

and it looks like these trials have been going on for a while

maybe right after the playoffs

dont quote me on that though obviously

[silk frost]

I mean this is probably the weakest year for contenders Korea support talent

[next mesa]

alarm and myunbong last year lol

I mean we'll see maybe mcd fucks harder 👀

[silk frost]

Yeah maybe

I mean hes the best one coming up most likely, and at best I can see him being top 8

[next mesa]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/jxrf7z/where_is_shockwave_going/gcybcwa?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[next mesa]

dpei says oge as of right now is better than muze

[tawdry hamlet]

washington did it

they build a roster I am hyped for

they really done did it

[plush grail]

ok nvm chengdu fucked it https://twitter.com/ChengduHunters/status/1329417493274714113/photo/1

Chengdu Hunters (@ChengduHunters)

👀
#ChengduHunters #LetsGoHunt

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Twitter · Nov 4, 2010, 1:42 AM

if chengdu drops

ameng

they're gonna be such a shitshow

[next mesa]

no it means that roster is fire wym

[plush light]

If Justice signs kariv im hyped

[hot heart]

?

Kariv got signed by GZ

[next mesa]

yeah lol

[silk frost]

Ik but doesn't mean he didn't trial elsewhere

[silk frost]

There's actually a comparable ball main in Contenders named 800

he's really good

[plush grail]

no

ameng is better

[silk frost]

I said comparable

[next mesa]

we wont know until

[hot heart]

Hmm

Assuming OW2 will include a character kinda like ball

Would Chengdu sign 800

And make a power play

Double Ball meta

BALLS META

LMAO

[plush light]

Thats an f

[hidden vault]

I don't think chengdu roster is that great tho then again what do I know about chinese players?

they do have RUI tho

the god

[plush light]

That would be quite the ballsy move

[hidden vault]

what happened to kariv and agilities?

no more

[plush light]

Agilities isn't as good as kariv anymore

Agilities was screwed the moment brig entered the game

[silk frost]

RUI is overrated imo

I think he's gonna do worse than the co-head coaches of last year did

[hot heart]

As long as they have ameng im happy

[tidal ridge]

balls and legs meta

[sour magnet]

Chengdu is in a nice spot because even if they're bad they still have tons of fans thanks to ameng

from a management position who are looking at the $ the merch sales from ameng will be enough to pay his contract

[next mesa]

Dpei was asked who the top three most impactful players in the league are. He named Profit, Striker and Viol2t. He later talked about how Viol2t is simply a tier above the other flex supports.

[hot heart]

Tbh

Yeah

[tidal ridge]

Viol2t is the best player in OWL imo

[hot heart]

Viol2t makes shock shock

[tidal ridge]

he is the new jjonak

[hot heart]

Basically yeah

Even better

[tidal ridge]

but a tier above old jjonak

[hot heart]

Ye

[tidal ridge]

he is the best OWL player rn imo

only other person to contest him is xqc of course

[hot heart]

The level of play has increased drastically and yet he's still a tier above everyone else

Alarm and twighlight are the only two that are almost that good

[tidal ridge]

viol2t justice would've made justice win season 4

thats how impactful he is especially with decay and mag

[next mesa]

if alarm and twilight are S tier

[tidal ridge]

alarm and alarm?

[next mesa]

fuck me

[tidal ridge]

ok i think alarm is S tier but alarm???

thats a stretch

[next mesa]

viol2t would be like

SS tier

[tidal ridge]

SSS tier

[plush light]

Viol2t alarm and twilight i think are at a similar level overall, but only because viol2t isn't quite as good as them at ana and brig

Viol2t is definitely a level above on bap Moira and zen

[trail perch]

I think that alarm and viol2t are better at moira

consdiering back on the titans, rapel was the moira guy

But there is no way Viol2t is the best overall player

[next mesa]

perhaps, perhaps

viol2t is better wym

overall

his moira is just

👌

[trail perch]

I meant the best in owl

He is prob the best fs, but there is a case for twilight and alarm both

Considering viol2t's brig and ana<

[next mesa]

fdgod brig

I don't know man

I think if you put viol2t on dps

he would still pop

but the nagain

we'll never know

[trail perch]

fdgod brig>>>>>>>>>

[plush light]

Viol2t isn't better, but he is more impactful. Its like comparing bqb to saya. Saya carries harder, but bqb won the spot because he was better

[trail perch]

Yeah, Im not debating his impactfulness, I just disagree with supers opinion that viol2t is the best owl player

That for some reason continues to be spread around as fact

[plush light]

I think that Jerry is the best player to have ever touched the game of overwatch

[trail perch]

No

[next mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/On8oD0k.jpg

[trail perch]

Bumper

[next mesa]

https://i.imgur.com/tVxkjDb.jpg

[trail perch]

I dont speak whatever language that is

[next mesa]

Molly says:
SHD are on vacation
He just played GSC, they are "not bad"
Kaylee is pretty good

yeah im translating

[plush light]

Jerry is just bumper in incognito mode

[trail perch]

Ohhhhh

Oh GZC might be good?

[plush light]

GZC have kariv, of course they are good

Kariv is my favorite flex support

[next mesa]

nice

I hope it does good in charge

kariv mandu

def not bad

[sullen berry]

Yeah speaking of translating

Here's the only verified info on Kayleee's English, Friday seems to be a day for gamers and businesspeople to vent

https://twitter.com/meng_eddy/status/1329783095327801346?s=19

[true hound]

no

profit overwatch

that is all

[tidal ridge]

profit OW

[true hound]

profit beat overwatch

I agree with Dpei naming Viol2t and Profit

But tbh I woulda picked like

Decay

over Striker

[next mesa]

I think you're overrating decay

we'll have to see how much he carries in justice

[true hound]

Decay smashes man

basically forced every team that versed the Fuel to play around him

cause if they didn’t deal with him, gg

Even forced the Shock to a game 5

with his big dick alone

[next mesa]

that's true

but we didn't see much of him after

I think he can def compete with the top tier hitscans

[true hound]

all we saw was him on Justice for like 2 weeks tho

and by that time every team knew how to play around him

back broken

then he came back and hosed everyone down in the playoffs

I think his Widow is up there with ANS KSP Carpe etc etc

[next mesa]

yeah

[true hound]

its hard to judge best widow

they’re all good

[next mesa]

I haven't seen much of his tracer but people be rating it top 5

[true hound]

now I wanna see how kevster turns out

cause everyone says he’s like

mvp caliber

[next mesa]

have you seen the dpei interview

[digital cloud]

kevster is quite good

[next mesa]

he thinks individually kevster is as good as decay

now, kevster is on his fuckin team so it doesn't say much

but still

lmao he says

[worn falcon]

We FOCC https://twitter.com/FRANA_OW/status/1329853934463115267

FRAN (@FRANA_OW)

Sign-ups for the FOCC are officially open! You have now until Dec. 2nd to gather a squad. Dates and time will vary depending on how many teams there are. Rules and sign-ups can be found using this link:
https://t.co/Czmv7W55MS

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2020, 6:27 PM

[next mesa]

gladiators might have been able to made GF last season

but it would'nt have mattered because shock would've dunked on them anyway

and I just find that hilarious

[true hound]

only profit can beat shock 🙏

[next mesa]

preach brudda 🙏

he only played with earbuds when he was playing vs shock

was basically hard throwing

[true hound]

containing his power

[next mesa]

yeah it's all over when he pulls out the surround sound system stereo

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1329868108107042818

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

UPDATE: According to sources, the Houston Outlaws will have to wait longer on a decision for Charlie "Nero" Zwarg as an unnamed team made an improved offer at the 11th hour.

https://t.co/pPDW3RjlB2

Twitter · Nov 20, 2020, 7:23 PM

oh shiiiit

[raw ermine]

glads?

[digital cloud]

meh, I don't trust halo anyway

[next mesa]

he has been accurate

[digital cloud]

ish

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1329862406667956225?s=21

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

Update: According to sources the deal for Molly to join Shanghai has has been completed but he will be on a full OWL contract and not as a two way player https://t.co/Dngtc0X23u

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2020, 7:01 PM

[next mesa]

what the fuck

that explains how he knows shanghai is on vacation

and also

is he better than izayaki, this will be his time to prove himself

[raw ermine]

its tough to say

he could be trained to be better

[cobalt spoke]

Is izayaki still on Shanghai?

[hot heart]

Think so yeah

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1329868108107042818?s=19

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

UPDATE: According to sources, the Houston Outlaws will have to wait longer on a decision for Charlie "Nero" Zwarg as an unnamed team made an improved offer at the 11th hour.

https://t.co/pPDW3RjlB2

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Twitter · Nov 20, 2020, 7:23 PM

Hmm

[sullen berry]

https://twitter.com/ow_nero/status/1329873843142287361?s=21

nero (@ow_nero)

https://t.co/j81wWMonjB

Twitter · Nov 20, 2020, 7:46 PM

[hot heart]

Wonder if its toronto or something

O

[sullen berry]

dunno

but i almost spat out my coffee

[hot heart]

Nero the plumber

[sullen berry]

so with the lack of news or any indication that Avalla is ready to announce any new player signing on Paris Eternal

can you assume that this will be a bottom 8 roster - they've hit their peak last year

and will find it incredibly difficult without flipping towards a smarter roster

[hot heart]

Paris is going to be bottom 3

That's for sure i think

At best

Like

[sullen berry]

I say bottom 8 because we have nothing to compare it against

[hot heart]

Top 14

The competition is really high

So

[sullen berry]

yeah at best 15, similar to how they were ranked last year signing sp9rk1e

[hot heart]

Even if you got a good roster

[sullen berry]

those were some takes I never agreed with

[hot heart]

It isnr gonna beat out these super teams

[sullen berry]

this is hard to watch

ex-EU OWL players getting 3-0'd in the loser's bracket

overtime brawl

[plush grail]

lmaooo weren't people calling onigod top tier

[sullen berry]

yeah he's looked not that hot on Eichenwalde

that's not to discount Ex-Oblivione

[raw ermine]

I thought kings would be as good as BH, worse, but 2nd place

[sullen berry]

solo ulting brig to distract everyone off point A is fire

I would have agreed on paper too

but ellivote is doing something cracked on his sigma flanks

[hot heart]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1329767317002137602?s=19

[sullen berry]

high risk plays

[hot heart]

I see reign have settled on mediocrity

[sullen berry]

signing michelle is not the mistake

it's trying to sign him over other OWL off-tanks

[hot heart]

Not the Michelle part

But

Hawk

[sullen berry]

I guess he's seen as cheaper?

[hot heart]

Why would you settle on hawk

[sullen berry]

Hawk is unfortunate resign to many, but I'm not one to judge

if they see talent they want to build at least double down with gator

[hot heart]

Fury Jjanu and MekO are out there

Why keep hawk

Why keep the tankline

Or the support line

Dps is kinda stacked on ATL

Like

It always has been

[sullen berry]

idk, personally I think they're more interested in fresh contenders talent

[hot heart]

But they sucked literally everywhere else

[sullen berry]

can't wait to interview the guy who runs the FkitSMS twitter account

[hot heart]

I think a korean squad is the way to go rn

[sullen berry]

he's waited for an update on him for so long

[hot heart]

I wonder what seominsoo thinks about the fuck it seominsoo acc

He's def heard about it

Accounts reached weibo

So he must've seen it at some point

[sullen berry]

literally anyone not following OWL on social media daily

it's probably "wtf, but that's cool i guess i have a fan account"

get hyped for the next match

[keen aurora]

O seominsoo is back

[exotic vortex]

What role is the easiest to get an OWL contract on ( Im not saying it is easy, I just mean what role are you most likely to be able to participate in the league)

[tropic herald]

None of them are easier to get in on compared to the other

[next mesa]

if I had to pick one

[raw ermine]

hmm

[next mesa]

I would say main tank or main support is the least stacked role

[raw ermine]

agreed

[next mesa]

like you never run out of talent for flex support and like

hitscan

[raw ermine]

both positions in north american are severely lacking

[silk frost]

In the west in general

[raw ermine]

so if you are from NA, or speak english (you do, obviously), go for those positions

[silk frost]

Like good western hitscans are Onigod and Linkzr

Good western flex supports are Ripa and

[tropic herald]

The thing is climbing ladder on Main Tank and Support sucks

And that’s the first step to OWL

[next mesa]

not untrue

[raw ermine]

crimzo lul

[next mesa]

ripa??

yeah crimzo and dogman

who's ripa

[raw ermine]

flex supp for BH and previous LAG

but was permabenched for shaz in s2

[next mesa]

I see

[earnest leaf]

a good MT will have the easiest time getting a spot on a team

Since there are so few

[silk frost]

Ripa has gotten quite a bit betrer

Better

[raw ermine]

I can't wait to see BH go to gauntlet

[exotic vortex]

Wait is main support like Lúcio and stuff and flex like ana moira etc.

Because I have heard people say that main healers are flex

And rest are main

[hot heart]

MS is lucio mercy

[exotic vortex]

Ait and MS is lacking?

[hot heart]

Eh

Kinda

[next mesa]

BH might either get rolled or not drop a map

[hot heart]

You either have a really good MS

Or some ass MS

[hot heart]

They pull a s2 playoffs shock

[next mesa]

did they play in the last gauntlet?

[raw ermine]

it was HSL

[next mesa]

?

[raw ermine]

with fischer and txao and henningsen

HSL esports

the lion

[next mesa]

I mean like did british hurricane play in the last gauntlet

uh

im small brain

[raw ermine]

no

they only sent one EU rep I believe

and it was HSL

[silk frost]

Neither did CC

[next mesa]

and it wasn't BH?

[raw ermine]

no

[silk frost]

Yeah HSL was better

[next mesa]

I thought BH won eu contenders last season too

[raw ermine]

Gauntlet only happens once a year

last season, contenders EU 2020 s1 , BH did win

[next mesa]

so in 2019

it was HSL

I see

[raw ermine]

but they weren't good enough in 2019

[next mesa]

alright im hype

[silk frost]

If CC gets an off tank

They can win

[next mesa]

dude if runaway still had mag

would they be the favourites 👀

wait htey didnt even win korean contenders

[raw ermine]

nah

WGS won

[next mesa]

yeah

[raw ermine]

o2 won first season

[next mesa]

runaway got reverse swept

runaway was also second there though

it's actually tragic

[raw ermine]

it was weird

it was like

[next mesa]

they have like three second places now

they subbed out mag for like 2 maps right

[raw ermine]

Runaway,WGS,runaway,runaway,WGS,WGS,WGS

[next mesa]

and it didnt work

oh yeah

[raw ermine]

now some bad news

Crusty didn't win coach of the year

[solar bison]

Didnt Moon win

[next mesa]

that's owl

in like the entire esports scene

[raw ermine]

yeah

should have specified

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1329927170114920452?s=21

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

Sources: The Washington Justice Have Supposedly Sign Off-Tank Jun-Ho "Fury" Kim

https://t.co/Mb5weaYrYZ

Twitter · Nov 20, 2020, 11:18 PM

Damn

That’s a good pick up

[raw ermine]

holy

crap

mag fury

[cloud latch]

decay

[next mesa]

the guy who was disappointed

@tidal ridge hi

here u go

bruh then I hope jjanu goes to seoul

[tidal ridge]

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

if its true of course

if i see "Welcome Ria" i swear to god

[earnest leaf]

Who are the dps on justice atm?

[tidal ridge]

ttuba decay jerry

[earnest leaf]

So them, mag fury, bebe closer

[tidal ridge]

theyre gonna have the glads curse

their dps and tank line is insane but the supports hold them back

[earnest leaf]

I have a feeling they're gonna be slightly above mid tier

Like better than atlanta, but not better than teams like charge

[tidal ridge]

they should sign another FS that can play MS heroes

so double FS meta and they dont have to play closer

since bebe is better than closer

[edgy tinsel]

YES FURY TO JUSTICE

[tropic herald]

Well

Justice will have Ria and Fury

So pretty good

[hot heart]

WAIT

JUSTICE

HOPE HAS RETURNED

[raw ermine]

ok guys

easy

these are only leaks

[hot heart]

Fury Mag decay

[raw ermine]

I trust halo

[hot heart]

Yessir

[raw ermine]

believe me

I do

[hot heart]

But

God

[raw ermine]

but these are leaks

[hot heart]

If its true

Let me believe

They need to also sign someone else at FS

[earnest leaf]

Inb4 they get viol2t

[hot heart]

If they did actually throw the bag at fury

[earnest leaf]

But I doubt shock would let go of viol2t

[tidal ridge]

This just in: MuZe to Mayhem

[hot heart]

They could probably yoink someones FS

[cyan parcel]

if washington get viol2t then holy fuck top 4 team i think

[tidal ridge]

if washington get fury and viol2t then they win 2020

[hot heart]

So

If this comes true

Which it probably will i think

The roster for washington is:

Mag Fury Ria
Decay Jerry Ttuba
Closer Bebbe

Solid dps line

Stellar tank line

And a meh support line

Tho if FS becomes predominant again next year

Closer is gonna be less of a blow for this team

Bet this signing is gonna be Announced right before platchat too

[cedar oasis]

You guys need to realise any mid tier owl player can become a top tier one in an off season like ben best and sado

[karmic grotto]

Mag/Fury is illegal

Actually

Mag/Fury/Decay is illegal

And if you have Closer and Bebe who, according to the coach, fit very well with that team

To give support to tanks and dps

Ttuba is improving and doesn't stop

Jerry's talent was wasted in Boston

Now, it's not going to be wasted

[next mesa]

Yes

[silk frost]

bro mag fury CLOSER?!

[hot heart]

Mag Fury Decay is unfair

[next mesa]

Apparently all the teams really like closer

Dallas not being a good place for koreans? Oop big surprise

[silk frost]

idk I'm not filled with hope

It's like Dallas syndrome with Jecse but worse

even if Closer has the scrim bucks, I think they're both teams that should be vying for the top but MS isn't championship material imo

except Dallas is all around stacked

if Fury is signed to Justice tho I think that makes up for the absence of a top tier MS

[raw ermine]

a passive supportive main support is fine for that team

they don't need a leejaegon

[silk frost]

being passive isn't the issue

I just don't think he's skilled enough anymore

[balmy wolf]

the real test is if their new coaches can make them a actual team this time

[silk frost]

like I'd much rather have SanGuiNar than Closer

[balmy wolf]

doesnt matter if u got stars if they cant gel together

[silk frost]

could be recency bias but

[next mesa]

It could

I think they've been through a really thorough tryout

Closer and Bebe

I'm trusting the coaches on this one and I can always blame them if they flop 😁

[hot heart]

Apparently they created artificial metas

For tryouts

So thats thorough yeah

[next mesa]

yeah I posted

like the coaches thing

[hot heart]

If supreme genuinely sees something in them

[next mesa]

like they've been through everything

[hot heart]

Yeah just remembered

[next mesa]

[hot heart]

I believe in supreme rn

We'll see where it goes from here

[next mesa]

I just don't think people should shit on closer now, shit on him later if he's actually bad

[hot heart]

Yeah

But honestly

Idk man

There's that bit of doubt i have when teams sign amazing players

Then like

Fill the roster out with mediocre players at best

We'll see though

[next mesa]

maybe a new support hero comes out

its meta

and closer is fucking god at it

dude who the fuck knows

[hot heart]

In the long term every teams future is uncertain

Since OW2 probably drops some crazy heroes on us

[next mesa]

fo sho

this only means one thing

boston is ur 2021 owl champions

[earnest leaf]

I wonder if the new ow2 heroes will be sorta alternate options to current heroes

like a rein type tank but still a bit different

[true hound]

as long as they are not Swiss knife heroes

like sigma Bap brig

I’m aight

[next mesa]

yeah

like echo

she was koo

ya feel me g

im talking like im from the hood

[true hound]

[next mesa]

ayo shit like brig

I just dont dig it

ya feel

[trail perch]

I think that swiss army knife heros would actual be good, if they add enough of them

Because for neutral metas you play a variety of them

And if any specific maps or patches you play specialized comps

Dive, brawl etc.

[next mesa]

swiss army knife heroes are always too strong

if u can do everything at once

[raw ermine]

if they get nerfed, then they're good at nothing

like sigma was at the start of s3 of owl

[next mesa]

he was

good though

wait what

yeah he was

actually shock lost to the LA teams because they didn't play double shield, right??

[primal minnow]

Mhm

[hot heart]

Ay thats what i like to hear

[silk frost]

ez top 10

[tawdry hamlet]

Justice have pog roster

I likes it

[raw ermine]

holy shit

another one of those dumb mfs

they gotta be bots

but the owners are stupid AF

[tawdry hamlet]

So is diem still unsigned?

Sadge

There's got to be a team for him

[next mesa]

yeah man

[tidal ridge]

jjanu 😩

when will my man get treated right in owl

[silk frost]

season 2

[tidal ridge]

?

vancouver? lol

apparently the management was a hellhole

which resulted in bumper leaving then the explosion in s3

[raw ermine]

I feel bumper leaving was more what caused the implosion rather than a symptom but who knows

[tropic herald]

i thought it was a symptom given their was reports of an issue late season 2

[raw ermine]

o really

[tidal ridge]

it was definitely a symptom

ill always hate vancouver for not giving fissure his redemption arc

[solar bison]

A team should sign fissure, he’s a good main tank, you just have to treat him well

[sullen berry]

speak of Seoul Dynasty

I'm doing some research on them to date https://youtu.be/A5wGN6KPSa4

were it not for the fact I kinda get this is a thing in asian media

this would make you say "dafuq they on about?" within the first 15 seconds

[silk frost]

What is it

[tropic herald]

Didn’t realize the OWL KR had a channel with seperate content

[sullen berry]

actually

I didn't even remember when I subscribed to it this year

actually it was probably during summer showdown to hear the korean casting

all of it being translated on youtube is a plus

[karmic grotto]

Kevster doesn't stream?

This man is one heck of a mystery

The fact that we haven't seen his photo

What is Overwatch League hiding from us?

[hot heart]

Kevster is actually Crusty fucking around on a smurf

[plush light]

Kevster is bumper xd

[weak bolt]

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1330118146099998720

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

An incredibly tough morning for the team as we farewell @Glisterow, who has been a critical and core part of our 2020 lineup.

Thank you so much for the hard work put in this year and all the best for 2021!

#AcesHigh | #ClearTheSkies https://t.co/zntknjxXnL

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Twitter · Nov 21, 2020, 11:57 AM

Might see him announced somewhere soon

[vagrant jacinth]

I was hoping for signing news and all I got was p a i n.

[forest raven]

London

[neon oar]

Who do u think will be the off tank for the Justice

[weak bolt]

Fury

According to rumours anyway it's looking pretty likely

Glister just posted LFT, so maybe London were holding on in desperation to try sell him

[weak bolt]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1330131263542456321

Arran “Halo” Brown (@haloofthoughts)

According to sources and further to @yiska's original report. The Overwatch League is expecting to start the 2021 season in April

https://t.co/NWZSG3VGUy

Twitter · Nov 21, 2020, 12:49 PM

[cedar oasis]

Nice

[vagrant jacinth]

So faaaarrrr

[tawdry hamlet]

bruh

imagine dropping your only good player

london moment

london please pick up a good dps line

there are so many choices don't go budget

[primal minnow]

They’re going western apparently

[tawdry hamlet]

with who? all the western players suck fat ass

there is like british hurricane players and a few veterans like linkzr and soon who are free

would be kind of cool if london just swiped up fan faves like linkzr and mcgravy

not that it would ever happen but it would be dope

[cedar oasis]

British hurricane have potential

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah but I wonder if actual competition will expose their weaknesses

since eu contenders scene kind of ez

[cedar oasis]

I imagine they will still be better then Boston

[tawdry hamlet]

if they pick up pogwave that would be cool

[vagrant jacinth]

Yes

[next mesa]

I don't imagine they will be 2019 runaway level we'll have to see maybe they fucking roll team cc or some shit

[tawdry hamlet]

I want to see team cc vs british hurricane

the clash of the best academy teams in the league

[next mesa]

Team cc didn't win doe

And they lost lige

It's looking a bit tragic

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah, I mean best academy team at least

not best contenders team

unless I am dumb and the winning team was bilibili or some shit I didn't watch much this month since I got the skins in the first like 4 days

ah yeah Flag won which I expected but they are not an academy team afaik

ooh I missed chengdu picking up the flag gaming coach tho

that could be something epic I hope

Chengdu roster looking way too fat atm though I imagine maybe Leave or Jinmu getting cut

[next mesa]

molly getting traded

[trail perch]

to Team CC right?

As a 2 way

[next mesa]

to dragons

i THINK

and its no longer a two way

but I think that's just rumors

[hidden vault]

cheap London

that would leave chengdu without support tho

[valid oxide]

https://mobile.twitter.com/washjustice/status/1330179166810083337

Washington Justice (@washjustice)

𝗪𝗘𝗟𝗖𝗢𝗠𝗘 𝗙𝗨𝗥𝗬

An @overwatchleague and OWWC Champion, @Furyy_d has the experience and ability that will take our Tank line to the top! 🛡💥

#JusticeIsServed

(*Pending League Approval) https://t.co/eEZCITrMsE

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