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A lot of mercy skill comes from split-second decision making and staying calm in the face of pressure
Yeah it’s a whole bag of non-measurable stats
I’ve learned that from the beginning but I think we can measure it from their POV and rate their impact on a team fight
Hope to see more progress on the team fight stat that captainplanet has continued to work on
Want to learn mercy?
Watch moth
But thats not how it works
I guess people call mercy easy because all her advance techs aren’t super complex like lucio rollouts
Or they look at her ability, and think that’s the hardest decision they need to make while healing
(Not true just the impression that I get)
I agre
To damage boost is awesome
yeah Mercy commands the ult war
But to heap methodically heal the best targets in a really scrappy team fight is key to a valuable mercy
It’s also the end result constantly being “I’m not dead!” which has different expectations to “I took out their main tank!”
fuck it
seominsoo is back
damn a godsb, architect seominsoo dps line is actually solid
Can’t forget shy
FUCK IT, SEOMINSOO
This channel is the offical Fan Club of both Seominsoo And ameng
The Church Of Ameng
And The Church Of Seominsoo
No
I only worship slime
Bdosin was a pog ana 
One of the best lowkey
My ana rankings have, bdosin myun jjonak at the top 
Violet up there I think
But he mostly plays Zen
Bdosin is sick yea
Ooh highly from spark wasn't awful on ana either
My bad spitfire

Man I want to see glister shockwave dps line so bad
It'll be pog af
Can't remember his ana plays but he was a good supp
Bernar got signed, now I just want babel and glister to find teams
I think they'll build around glister and babel wasn't too bad so he might find a spot on a budget team or something
I hope the meh reign players like saucy go to budget teams like toronto or some shit
Would be fun to watch I guess
saucy tire
Wasn't creative the dynasty's ana player?
Bdosin ran it in final iirc
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Semi final
I like creative a lot, so I'm a bit biased
You must of never seen twilights ana, because twilights is easily the best ana
Viol2t literally got 3rd in the ana contest and he still gets benched for twilight
everyone has seen twilight's ana, yubo
bdosin is a big nut though, he's crusty approved, he'll find a new team for sure if he wants to keep playing
Bdosin probably goes to a mid tier team
bdosin is good at game
yes
jehong better get signed
Yeah
plz
crusty lowkey like: god bdosin was so fucking annoying on havana 😩
jehong + profit = instawin
Jehong probably won't find a team
But on the off-chance he does
he's in t1 valorant
Ill be happy
Yeah Saya changed his name to spyder and joined valorant
make him retire from valorant
saya is kinda ass at valorant LOL
Florida let the best aimer in overwatch rot on their shitty team for 2 seasons
yes
yes
nah
Or do something
I could see him starting over bqb if he was fully healthy
legit it was ashe all szn
Not putting Saya on hitscan is a throw
he’s basically aimbot
To be fair the ana skills contest was literally just aim
Yeah
I didn’t watch it
jjonak won it
what was the challenge
owl
But if i had to pick the best Ana in OWL
it's ana snowball
Probably twighlight
Twilight or alarm
one shot one kill
probably
one sleep is one kill too
Alarm and myungbong are the two below him
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- Alarm twilight
myunbong might as well be better than alarm, but we won't know cuz he's on boston
Huk must've pulled something
I can't believe myunbong didn't participate in that challenge
@hot heart probably threatened his family and girlfriend
Im waiting for Canada pickups 
Outlaws seem to be going in the right direction
Titans announce something already 
Have you heard the rumours that were covered by halo?
Tbh houstans dps line is very solid if true
Happy + Nero?
Nero danteh happy
I genuinely dont know what they plan to do for the support line
and nero hasnt played in so long that we dont know what hes like anymore
He's probably still good
he's kinda like xzi
widow one trick pepelaugh
i only rly liked neros mei and pharah
lmaoo
I hope sbb goes to dallas tbh
I think all of them will fill each others hero pools
So the dps line basically covers most of the dps
then their dps line is almost flawless
dallas already confirmed their roster, no?
I think nenne is a better option
and im not banking on
that roster being finalized
until like they release their roster reveal video
nah they would've already knew, sbb would've already been looking at teams before his release was announced
theres still like a long way to go
idk man
people usually don't know other people's contract situations
the orgs would
maybe
but I think if the player themselves didn't leak
Probably
there's no reason for nyxl to leak it
i still want fury to justice
I would like fury or jjanu to seoul plz, arigato
See
That probably wont happen
Since the bebe pickup came true
And the other rumours were ria and closer
Fury to seoul wouod be insane
jjanu -> seoul
fury -> justice
What if seoul pick up MekO out of the blue
lol I just want a fuckin ot on my team
Fury Mag seems sooooo much better than Fury Gesture
I feel like MekO might join seoul or maybe even glads
Seoul definitely paying huge bags for profit and gesture
Might as well get MekO
I dont now
their buyouts were 500k each
know*
Cheaper than fury and jjanu
mag is unproven in owl
I doubt he'll flop but
gesture is just 
and also
they have marve1
I think Mag will have a really good season
gesture has proven that hes the most inconsistent MT
for regular season games dude they can have marve1 for the consistency
yeah
so they have marve1
I really wanna see seoul commit to marve1
marve1 is really consistent
and when gesture is feeling it
they can sub in gesture
who is more explosive
idk whats marve1s winston like
They fucking wasted him last year
Play gesture for winston and orisa
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nah when profit pulled out the ninja it was just over
that was some ballsy shit
analysis: he fucked
granted gibraltar is one of genjis best maps
but like still
into ANS and Striker
actual chad
you know crusty knew that they were gonna pull out the genji apparently
fleta could dream
in the post GF interview
he said they were suppose to run ball sig
but super's a fucking pussy
"uh no thanks i think ill just stay on hog uwu its more comfy"
I think ans and striker can flex a lot
Striker covers hanzo phara junk, ans covers genji mei.
In contenders he played it some
Crusty could make him top half genji at least
I agree
I'm just saying striker ans is more flexible than people give them credit for
yeah, I know striker can pharah and hanzo i didnt know about junk
and ans mei looks a bit mediocre but that's when placed besides rascal
idk y youd play ANS on anything else
just keep him on widow cree ashe
tracer/ashe is for striker
ta1yo is your flex
Does anyone's mei look anything above mediocre when compared to rascal's
Have you seen how high haksal's sensitivity is? It's nuts
yeah
For genji he uses 800 and 30.5
Haksal's doom was a nut as well, I don't think inferior to sparkle
okay what the fuck
that's like 7 times my sens
LOL
6 times*
I use 1000 and 2.8 so idk how he lives
Haksal and sinatraa have the two best dooms ive ever seen
Sp9rk1e is on that same level
Have you seen profit doom?
Anyone else just isnt there
What would that even look like
genji go spin
Look up apex season 4
brrrrrrrrrrr
Gengi go woosh
link me
profit doom is probably op
was doom even a thing in apex pepelaugh
a bit
What about libero doom
he has a pretty good doom
Is Yaki top 3 tracer?
Hmm
I dont know
I would rate, Striker Profit Fleta first
actually yaki might have a better tracer than fleta i dont know
decay danteh
O
edison?
Decay actually top 3
After yaki
Sbb
Edison
Edison and Danteh
Striker profit decay yaki Shax edison danteh?
who's the best western tracer, danteh or shax
Shax
Danteh might have him, even with a worse team
Shax has the advantage on tracer imo
Sinatraa
Overrated
I don't think he'll be better than yaki
Yeah he'd still be insane what am i even saying
That’s it, i said it
sinatraa wasn't gonna play much this year over striker though
yeah they picked up ans
Yeah he wasnt
^
I just feel like individually he'd still be insane at OW
He would’ve been traded
yeah he still is
but his tracer isn't striker level
but then again super did say crusty was gonna play sinatraa this year
if he was staying
He really fell off in stage one, idk
Sinatraa is flexible and top tier at every hero he plays
Not stage one of this season
He didnt enjoy overwatch
????
Not in season 1 with shock
He was literally mvp last season my guy
In stage 1 of season 3
You know what we need we need more coaches on the level of lord crusty
In stage 1 right before he retired he said he didnt enjoy the game anymore
moon is
Because he fell off
Is he?
apparently there are some really bad coaches in the league
yeah super said in his interview
Yeah
heard some good things about some other coaches
while other coaches they dont even offer their own input
@balmy wolf nah he just didn't enjoy the game
Ye
what do you mean stage 1
like thsoe 2 games he played?
When shock lost k think
lol
Yeah
Because he wasn’t good anymore, he didn’t enjoy the game @next mesa
no
What
Shock lost to glads and someone else
omg you are so stupid
If he was still insane, he would’ve stayed
both of the LA teams @cedar oasis
Ok thanks
Are you kidding me
He is still insane
We’ve got a pepega in chat
are you actually just stupid
Two of the,
yeah it's you lmao
You’re stupid
Just because your good at something doesnt mean you like it
Are you serious
He's mad
????
it's funny how you think being good at the game correlates to enjoying the game
why did you think MJ retired after his first 3 peat
What?
He fell off!
HE WAS PRIME OF HIS CAREER HOLY FUCK

ARE YOU JUST STUPID OR STUPID
?
HOLY FUCK THEN HE WOULDVE STAYED
Levys losing it
This guy says mj retired because he fell off after 1993
MAAM, CALM DOWN
This has the same feeling as the crimzo stuff
MAAM
when he was literally the best player in the world
and it's not even close
AND HE CAME BACK AFTER RETIREMENT
AND HE WAS STILL THE BEST LOL
YOU'RE JUST ACTUALLY BRAINDEAD
Wait Michael Jackson retired cause he died right
michael jordan omg
Wha
WHY DID THE SHOCK HAVE A LOSING SEASON AT THE START OF GAME 1???
I think so
TELL ME
WHY WERE THEY LOSING ALL THOSE GAMES
@balmy wolf THAT WAS A TEAM PROBLEM LOL
They only lost 2 games?
TELL ME WOMAN
AND IT WAS LITERALLY 2 GAMES
Bro
IM NOT A GIRL YOU DUMB FUCK HOLY SHIT
The fuck is going here
Id2 has gone and lost it
CHECK SINATRAAS STATS FROM THEM
LEVY CALLED ME STUPID
CAN WE GET A MOD IN THIS CHAT PLEASE
dude
Why the fuck does ID2 sound like a kid in Kindergarten thats having a temper tantrum
im just losing some braincells
????
Look
So what team do you guys think will be the worst next season
You can havs your own opinion idc anymore
yeah im tired
I had a girl in Overwatch esports chat call me stupid?? How am I in Kindergarten????
@cedar oasis yeah probably paris
lmao imagine paris winning next year god
That have no direction
that would just be avalla
Only avalla
Everyone else has a direction
streamer team

wins championship
because she can do everything
Yeah
NYXL

Yep
Avalla rn:
okay I think vancouver will still be really bad
They will
What about boston
They'll be 20 next year
Vanc is still gonna be budget
they have myunbong
i dont know
myunbong decided to stay
I hope they will put good pieces around him
We dont speak of chex
Do they still have fusions and punk
Ye
So
No news on release and stuff
Spitfire is still teamless?
Ameng Will carry the hunters to 20th place
Spitfire
They're teamless as of rn
But the rumour is they sign British Hurricane
They've already promoted BH's GM to london
Wonder if they waiting to finish contendies
I'm gonna laugh so hard if spitfire just become titans 2.0
Or analyzing contendies matches
might wait after gauntlet?
Yikes
Yeah
London just picks up the winner
There's this very underrated team called runaway, they have this mega feeding tank called bumper
They should at least do well in the gauntlet
michelle?
Is Michelle good?
fits fucked wym
they already resigned
I dont know
like
THEY DONT WANT TO PLAY MICHELLE
Tru
I think he's good, but
They want marve1
there must be a reason? 
As ot
Slime to nyxl
Nice
Exact same thoughts
slime's gonna ge tsigned
Yaki gonna do a fucking AR game for his signing
Then 4 minutes after he deletes it
??
I dont get it
Maybe he pocket tweetes
All the owl fuckers think it's a cryptic message but he just messed up and pocket tweeted
Probably
Yaki to NYXL
I just remembered cumlocked
SBB
Sadge
Nyxl coaches where like c+ last year
Is he lft?
yes
Rjh just moving to content creation with those vids lol
oh lord please let jehong find a team so that levy doesnt cry himself to sleep
God it would be amazing to see rjh on seoul
The boys back together
Back
Back again
🙏 amen
he would ride the bench though
why are you like this
Bdosin should find a team
123 19bf4
And now swingchip
Announcement tonight maybe
They just sign slime
And call it a day
Chad move
But slime can't flex
who's swingchip
dude mayhem has been talking some mad shit
"we won the off season"
and like
keep blue balling us on twitter
Lol
Honestly
I feel like they've signed someone big
All this hype has to be for something
Im just waiting on halo to report on it
And preparing my mind to probably get blown
yeah dude
They sign miro
Miro prob could never get back to owl unless he grinds
Like re proving himself in contenders
Because even in s1 Miro was washed
Like a shadow of the former self when he did the APEX runs
No they sign fissure
I want to see more fissue
and Bumper
And Kaiser signed to a owl team as a rein specialist
Kaiser is apparantly washed
No way
Rly?
I think hes the best rein not in Owl
And prob better then some owl players
Yeah but so is super
it's actually just tragic
So...
super has way more than just rein
smurf is just better
he could start on orisa ball winston on a lot of other teams
No
Because fearless's rein needs some work
Kaiser needs to show he isnt washed
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When miro was good
fearless rein doesn't need some work bro
Ria or closer announcement incoming
What does that mean
he is best rein after super
No way
Fearless rein is one of the best in OWL
Top 4
Sado?
No doubt
you guys are acting like halo doesn't make mistakes
ria or closer might not even happen
Ria and closer wasnt halo
Yeah
1/3 doesnt mean that its all true
top 2
Unless we see someome else get picked up in this announcement
Just wait till mano ascends
Im gonna assume the rest are true
Mano is gonna fuck on fusion
He is
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Wait discord autohid his bio lol
SMS IS BACK
He changed his pfp to his seominsoo
So the announcement is going to be either an hour or two from now
Im still so hype
What does SMS play
Fearless is top 2 rein?
Flex dps
Flex DPS
yes
Doom reaper and mei
And zarya
haveu seen his rein bro
A really good zarya
He only fans the hammer with Cree
No way
I think fearless was the best MT s3, but his rein was not top 2
Maybe top 5, but kaiser has a very different playstyle
His rein was at worst top 4
That would really benefit the team
At best top 2
how do you think he is best mt with only a top tier winston, LOL
I would go super sado mano feraless
that literally makes no sense
I think his rein is top 5
As rien
Winston is 1
ya'll just tripping on fearless rein
Orisa is 5
he also fucked in the all stars game
and Ball is 5
The finals barely even count bc of the Meta shift
You cant count players just based on the finals
you had 2 months to prepare for the "meta shift" there's literally no excuse
Did Ben best get signed?
Not yet
It was a double off tank meta, ofc fearless the main tank wouldnt be playing his best
But all season he fucked
stand1 is a main tank too
I would think he gets signed by paris late this offseason
Where you impressed with stand1 in GF?
he was good
Does paris have money to spend on good players?
not phenomenal
Where you impressed with shanghai in GF?
no paris is going budget
What if paris is trolling
there's a reason why fearless wasn't played
See
Then just picks up all the players
The only other option than budget for paris
Is going out and signing the best of the best
At this point
Yeah what if they do that
There's no midde ground
and are lying about the money problem
I mean they lost alot of their fans
You could be the gladiators
Lol
They were kinda both
Glads are gonna beat all the teams below them but get rolled by the teams above them
yes
Just like previous seasons
what the fuck did i say
But glads are looking strong
not with that dps line
predicted
Muze and moth/shu are just the upgrade they needed
This is probably the most stacked they’ve every been
yes
And if Birdring gets going, hes basically unstoppable
but muze is unproven
Yeah
will have to see
They just need to make birdring consistant
I dont think space is S tier will also have to see
Space is minimum A tier
Space is a top 5 OT
Space is constant
He is top offtank, yeah
space is the best western OT
Space is not S tier
Space, Void, fury hanbin and choi
space is not #1
Space is top off tank
Space is top 5
and he's not better than chrong
He is like 6th
right now in the off tank meta
Like Hanbin
Void Choi fury hanbin crong
Then space
I would put space over crong
Sp9rk1e called hanbin a sigma 1-trick
It was prob a joke
In a jehong interview
It was a joke, but funny nonetheless
he knows he's not
yeah true
and if we're just talking about sigma I wouldn't put his sigma over marve1 either
your sigma strength counts for like
at least 60% of your overall ot strength doe
imo
sig is just too strong
Maybe 40%, Hog also is alot, zarya is still viable, and D.Va is always usable
The meta still is pretty balanced after the brig nerfs go through
Meko might be like 8th or 7th
we'll have to see the new tanks
the power rankings might shift
oh shit I forgot about fury
I would put fury above space too
So you put fury void choi hanbin and crong above him?
Thats fair
But hes still top 6
Meko is def worse than space
I would rank the OT's
Void
Choi
Hanbin
Fury
Crong
gargoyle yeahhh
I would do the same but Spacee 5 crong 6
gargoyle hmm
Gargoyle
void over choi?
might put him after crong
void popped tf off this year
Him and meko were on the same level
Void easy 1
choi had a meh zarya
Choi had a meh Hog
was void nominated for mvp?
Yeah
Just didn’t get voted in Bc tanks don’t make flashy plays
I feel bad for Void, he legit fucked all year and didn’t even get close to MVP
Community voting is so dumb tho
i voted viol2t this year lol
I think because
Don’t ge me wrong
void and fleta splits
Fleta deserved MVP
how was xzi even #1 in mvp votes for like a few days
I voted Viol2t
same
bc I thought his bap and zen where the best part of shock 2020
xzi did not deserve
Alarm was top 2 all season aswel
like at all
neither did like eileen
French fans
imo
yeah neither did eileen
*voted
Xzi got lucky due to recency bias, the MVP choices were done just after summer showdown iirc
the votes were quite normal until korean people realized that it existed
Yeah
Bots
Same with alarm
Fan votes only counted for like 25% max anyway, for all we know, they might have cut out the first few days of bot votes
no
it was like 15%
it ocunted
not 60
oh wait might be 25 idk
oh wait ur talking about popularilty
nvm
still dont know how i feel about
im dumb ignore me
moon coach of the year
I think he means the fan votes were down to popularity over skill
yeah
Tbh
my bad
I think moon desvered it
i mean once he joined they started being amazing
they dont count playoffs
You cant really argue with results
but to be fair
nobody could compete with shanghai in APAC because seoul only cared when they were under pressure, guangzhou was only good in double shield, hangzhou was doing whatever, same with chengdu
Wasnt like anyone could challenge SHD IN apac
Everyone was shitting the bed except GZ during the summer showdown
everyone ranked valiant and paris in the bottom 15
and they ranked them that primarily from the players
so i feel like most of their success came from their coaches
and paris won summer showdown, placed 4th, and valiant also did well and won against the mayhem in the playoffs
and they got beaten by philadelphia which is a baller team and washington who had a freak carrying them
dang it @tropic herald you beat me to it by like 0.5 seconds
I am speed
lel
imma be preparing now. Making presets. Have 10 accounts of discord open all with a message in it for a different team.
(that would be completly redicilous and not healthy)




