#esports-discussion
sacred gulch
teal hare
I thought CUFFA was retired is he still in NA
If he’s still in NA and nobody signed him that’s
Like actually some xzo level wtfs
sacred gulch
I thought CUFFA was retired is he still in NA
i mean why would he sadboy post
but he also says hes retired
do we have like painkiller or someone here who knows him
cosmic socket
i doubt he got no good offers
to me it seems like he's retiring out of his own will
versed igloo
is it ridiculous to say lip is the best dps player rn and it isnt very close
cosmic socket
quartz and proper are both better than lip rn
versed igloo
disagree
lip is the fucking goat
can play literally anyone has made over 500k and a top earner in 3 years
he is the goat
cosmic socket
you can argue he's in the greatest oat discussion
versed igloo
and hes 6’8
cosmic socket
but his longevity doesn't mean anything when talking about the best current dps player
and quartz and proper have had an objectively better year than lip
versed igloo
and quartz and proper have had an objectively better year than lip
but are they the same beast and a different animal?
glass sleet
How does Kellan keep getting away with this. He always finds himself on a proper team or org.
wise orbit
good contacts ig idk lol
glass sleet
Plays like shit, gets signed to TM, plays like shit and gets signed to NRG, plays like shit gets signed to SSG, plays like shit gets signed to onside (real org) plays like shit and gets signed to Dallas fuel
glass sleet
good contacts ig idk lol
Bro played with almost every top org in esports. He’s just needs to find a way to play for cr or FLC
wise orbit
not shit but def far from being the star player on any team hes been on
glass sleet
not shit but def far from being the star player on any team hes been on
No like he was genuinely shit on tm. But yeah
I like Kellan tho so I can’t hate too much
Ngl tho, the roster kinda underwhelming
glass sleet
I hope they can compete with TL and SSG
wise orbit
then dropped a bag and like signed landon and viol2t
glass sleet
then dropped a bag and like signed landon and viol2t
Landon really doesn’t wanna play in na for some reason. You’d have to pay him so much for that
glass sleet
Fuel is decent. Who would you take? Kellan or Hawk?
wise orbit
but u get what i mean like both of the koreans they have feel likes wastes of import slots
ig seonjun is rly good but so is wmaimone
glass sleet
but u get what i mean like both of the koreans they have feel likes wastes of im...
Tbh I think sounjun is really good and very flexible
Also he’s been on mixed rosters
wise orbit
seonjun is fine ig
glass sleet
ig seonjun is rly good but so is wmaimone
Does wmaimone count as an import now?
wise orbit
but imagine they got something like cuffa wmaimone kronik maka viol2t
wise orbit
Does wmaimone count as an import now?
no
glass sleet
If so, maybe they got two Koreans for synergy
wise orbit
on twitter he said he still counts as na
glass sleet
How can some of the top na players not find teams
wise orbit
no idea
glass sleet
Geekay were the best for majority of the year only falling shot last stage and that’s what they get?
Shit stinks
cosmic socket
How does Kellan keep getting away with this. He always finds himself on a proper...
history of mixed rosters, western teams desperate for tank talent
not signing cuffa is criminal tho
sacred gulch
dead chat
robust patio
TICKETS SOLD OUT IN 2min
I GOT MY HANDS ON IT THOOO @sullen berry @mortal cipher @grave python
bouta meet TM
love how no one wants to see day1
and day2 gets sold out immediately
thorny gazelle
and day2 gets sold out immediately
Makes sense no? D2 has better games
robust patio
fr
humble token
TICKETS SOLD OUT IN 2min
That was quick
static pond
X
humble token
Edison damn
sacred gulch
Edison damn
swore hed be on fuel
better roster for him tho
X
@teal hare its so over
sullen berry
I GOT MY HANDS ON IT THOOO <@200931208681619456> <@335792305363615744> <@7517197...
Say hi to Quartz for me 
sullen berry
https://x.com/enterforce_36/status/2014633271196582241?s=46
solid roster for top 3
robust patio
Say hi to Quartz for me <a:LETSAGOOOO:1229622329139527750>
bouta get his signature on my mousepad
i think
tbh i have no spot
for a signature now
its FULL
sullen berry
https://x.com/cuffah/status/2014599588007551150?s=46&t=vzyexn6-XZvt--tEuV5pSw
honestly I'd just give him the money to teach me all his hazard secrets
robust patio
sullen berry
its FULL
time for version 2.0, and give every single player even smaller sections depending on the player
sullen berry
on an even bigger scroll that you call a mousepad, the graphic is taking up a good 20%+ of the space
robust patio
merit and someone too
robust patio
🤣
sullen berry
pretend to mad at him about it
robust patio
tbh i aint mad cus
sullen berry
and give him even more space to sign the new one if you bring the old one
robust patio
at that time i would have not thought about getting more signatures
but i ended up getting more
sacred gulch
peak mousepad
robust patio
peak mousepad
tyty
teal hare
<@734272154039877751> its so over
It’s so over
teal hare
Not even DSG want Cuffa?
Look at the thing I just replied to
CUFFA retired retired he offerin coaching now
glass sleet
CUFFA retired retired he offerin coaching now
Yeah he was forcefully retired and I’m saying FOUR partner orgs and none picked him up
teal hare
Yeah he was forcefully retired and I’m saying FOUR partner orgs and none picked ...
Pretty sure he graduated
Which would mean he’s back in Australia
But as of rn he ain’t getting signed at the least so it’s just over until further notice
Unless there’s a post actually saying he didn’t chose to retire at all
He never posted a lft if I recall just changed his thing to ex ow pro
glass sleet
Pretty sure he graduated
Which would mean he’s back in Australia
But as of rn h...
Idk dude. Imma just stop thinking about it cuz there’s no point and hope he just finds another team later on.
teal hare
Idk dude. Imma just stop thinking about it cuz there’s no point and hope he just...
At this point I’m copin he finds another team
I mean hell I’d be down for like someone to teach him Korean and have varrel pick him up
Hilariously the 3 Japanese players speak Korean in scrims more then the 2 Korean players do
glass sleet
At this point I’m copin he finds another team
I mean hell I’d be down for like ...
Korean is so hard tho. It’s so hard for English speakers
teal hare
Korean is so hard tho. It’s so hard for English speakers
I know
Hence the more coping
glass sleet
I know
Hence the more coping
Rough
mortal cipher
I GOT MY HANDS ON IT THOOO <@200931208681619456> <@335792305363615744> <@7517197...
Ooh
placid hemlock
He never posted a lft if I recall just changed his thing to ex ow pro
He did
13th of Dec like a week before geekay announced cant send ss here
placid hemlock
I heard he got an offer somewhere but weren't paying enough to his liking compared to what he got on geekay
sullen berry
glass sleet
https://fxtwitter.com/geekay_esports/status/2014729844873978061?s=20
It’s so risky tho
sullen berry
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wise orbit
anyone know what like the path to pro looks like in korea? because afaik they have no sort of t2 system right? if korean owcs teams want new talent do they just scout ladder players or what
or do they have like some collegiate thing
wise orbit
i think finn haku could be better than people think but it looks super dodgy
we've seen before how much impact a "bad" main support has had on teams before (t1, geekay etc.)
and finn is super inconsistent
cosmic socket
anyone know what like the path to pro looks like in korea? because afaik they ha...
from my understanding they have like no official blizzard or faceit scene so t2s kinda dead
i think we're gonna see korea fall off more in the next coming years because of their lack of new talent
teal hare
geekay looks super strong and haku
Honestly Finn haku are like the only problem geekay could have
Both players are somewhat known for being pretty mid
wise orbit
think haku is more consistently bad
finn can play at a rly high lvl but will just throw randomly for no reason
cosmic socket
finn's good enough when he's surrounded by talent
haku is genuinely just terrible no matter who he's on a team with
mortal cipher
https://x.com/T1/status/2014714749293084705?s=20
Ooh
grave python
Any opinion about my preds
carmine igloo
Any opinion about my preds
I think t1 wipes Dallas ngl
And maybe TL-VP shd be 2-3 to VP? VP is super strong tho
grave python
And maybe TL-VP shd be 2-3 to VP? VP is super strong tho
Yeah but TM still has the same roster even with the addition of Jaewoo
We'll see
carmine igloo
Yeah but TM still has the same roster even with the addition of Jaewoo
Yeah I was talking about liquid not twisted
grave python
Ah mb
carmine igloo
Dw dw
carmine igloo
Valid, I think it could be 3-2 but hey tl got stomped at worlds so anything could happen
grave python
Yeah Liquid could only beat SSG and Geekay
Maybe NA will be stronger with the return of Collegiate
olive compass
I just saw the announcement and it made me curious, weren’t Geekay NA last year?
cosmic socket
Any opinion about my preds
i think dsg will end up better than peps
i also think theres a small chance falcons and t1 can beat twisted minds
cosmic socket
t1 almost did it
grave python
The meta will probably change
cosmic socket
and falcons got junkbuck and allegedly checkmate who i would imagine would teach them how to play and counter sym
grave python
Good point actually
carmine igloo
i think dsg will end up better than peps
What even is their roster gonna be
grave python
Junkbuck could have been coach for Dallas Fuel ngl
cosmic socket
What even is their roster gonna be
no clue, prolly na scraps
grave python
He helped EMEA he could also help NA
cosmic socket
the junkbuck narrative is too good
tepid ibex
Xzo please get the bag from dsg 🙏
Unless they have somewhere to stay in NA why would DSG pick up xzo?
xzo best hope is peps sign him
carmine igloo
Unless they have somewhere to stay in NA why would DSG pick up xzo?
Eh I was just hoping he gets on A team forget which region
Bro is too good to be sitting on the sidelines
sacred gulch
i thought i got fucking banned cause of this talon shit
sacred gulch
okay this *almost* makes me feel bad for him
“im sure you guys think i suck”
goddamn i almost feel bad too
he still gets to toss on the big stage I can only dream of
i wanna throw on the big stage
mortal cipher
Any opinion about my preds
i think itll prob be Tm and all KR in top 4 and everything else is up for grabs
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grave python
Can't wait for TCS to start
sacred gulch
Individuals with existing financial obligations or those seeking financial guida...
shot with the quickness
stark glade
Tm standing depends on if sym gets nerfed or if it's still meta
cosmic socket
Tm standing depends on if sym gets nerfed or if it's still meta
I dont see her getting nerfed directly but I can see vendetta coming in and making sym comp harder
sacred gulch
guys
who decided what the "best clips" were
I just wanna talk to them
this video is entertaining purely cause of the pros reactions
all of these clips suck fucking ass
like
@teal hare yall need to watch this shit
@lethal kernel you too its like they picked out clips from some of "best of overwatch history" from a channel with 100 subs
I bet this is why cuFFa retired
teal hare
<@734272154039877751> yall need to watch this shit
imma watch soob
sacred gulch
dude i think 3 of the clips are catboy
idk who that is
SPOILER
THE LIFEWEAVER "BEST CLIP" IS HIM KILLING HIMSELF
they out here torturing these players
cuFFa says and I quote "worst ram clip ive ever seen"
lethal kernel
teal hare
This shit is like
There’s maybe 3 good clips and most of them are just the actual pro clips
The hanzo one is so so ass
sacred gulch
i dont even remember hanzo
teal hare
i dont even remember hanzo
Storm arrowing the floor jumping off the map and killing 5 by ulting while he dies
There’s a good chance it’s one of those fake ass clip farm clips but like it works a little
cosmic socket
X
glass sleet
https://x.com/disguised/status/2014826866478350750?s=46
Omg soon is on the roster? 😱
glass sleet
https://x.com/sejfinn/status/2014733459437375540?s=46
I believe in FiNN!
Just…not haku.
glass sleet
and finn is super inconsistent
To be fair. Is he bad or is he just on zeta division with mag violet and dps on Ms? I don’t think he’s the best fsup but I want to give him a chance outside of that wack roster as well
teal hare
geekay is just a worse aq without a peak sym player
mental vine
Wait a second leesoomin and Maka in Weibo Gaming in China was NOT in my 2026 bingo card mmonk, apr1ta, and mew are out
X
X
X
X
X
Weibo can be competitive a lot more
With Leave, Shy, Guxue, and the two Korean support backline from WAY
VERY interesting
sullen berry
Wait a second leesoomin and Maka in Weibo Gaming in China was NOT in my 2026 bin...
No WAY, i love this
Get this fraud off echo 
sullen berry
https://x.com/onceagainow/status/2014942853961597035?s=46&t=vZkSWxyfJMPRj1ycKFLa...
Hmmm so thats going to be either JDG or Milk Tea
YNG & ZONES are probably going to want any leftovers from these teams rebuilding off the back of Team CC ROC and Weibo retooling this season.
mental vine
https://x.com/i/status/2014942929144500696
“Sister team” doesn’t mean weibo but he can still compete in another team nonetheless
China got a whole LESS Chinese
Team China itself has gotten less Chinese
mental vine
Get this fraud off echo <:kek:586210422873391134>
Bro thinks he’s fleta
sullen berry
It's like I'm watching the grand finals of NA but everyone is japanese
sullen berry
<@734272154039877751> yall need to watch this shit
i watched it and it was cringe, not the players or the format, it's just why it took 6+ months to upload
stray quarry
OA roster HELLO
robust patio
OA roster HELLO
lol
tepid ibex
https://x.com/onceagainow/status/2014944681876922507?s=46&t=vZkSWxyfJMPRj1ycKFLa...
losing mmonk lowkey sucks though
wondering what the fuck this T1 roster is going to be if shu zeta and weibo have scooped up maka
cold pond
any guxue fans here?
carmine igloo
@somber yacht ^
teal mirage
whats the best team in japan rn?
split flume
whats the best team in japan rn?
varrel
robust patio
any guxue fans here?
u
robust patio
whats the best team in japan rn?
it has always been varrel
and varrel only
thats why i dont watch japan
grave python
Japan and Pacific are boring to watch ngl
grave python
Ziyad better
tepid ibex
Don’t disrespect goatxue
cold pond
Ziyad better
teal hare
Don’t they both have fully different hero pools
Like
They don’t play any of the same tanks
grave python
<:BrigitteSmile:585688232734359554>
carmine igloo
u know me so well
It was lit one of the first things you said to me lmfao 🫡
stray jackal
Get this fraud off echo <:kek:586210422873391134>
Dont disrespect my goat like that
teal hare
There’s a solid chance cr grabs stalk3r in prep of lip doing military service
wise orbit
man t1 would be so fucking cool with stalk3r and shu
i would be a big t1 fan
donghak jasm1ne stalk3r proud shu skewed
teal hare
man t1 would be so fucking cool with stalk3r and shu
Currently there’s a rumour (not confirmed)
Of shu and Viol2t backline on zeta
Which would be so ass
carmine igloo
Currently there’s a rumour (not confirmed)
Of shu and Viol2t backline on zeta
Biggest waste of shu’s talent ever
mortal cipher
not rlly
viscid hatch
Guys I know how we can fix the tank problem
sacred gulch
static pond
man t1 would be so fucking cool with stalk3r and shu
Rumor stalker to cr is confirmed
Apparently
hard mortar
How would I go about joining a team
cosmic socket
X
viscid hatch
https://x.com/giantomelette/status/2014832415743627632?s=46&t=vzyexn6-XZvt--tEuV...
No way
viscid hatch
Fiveking return
cosmic socket
X
viscid hatch
Peak podcast
waxen swan
lol
sacred gulch
need this chat more active
ows is cancer
someone document propers childhood or something
grave python
need this chat more active
ows is cancer
Dw for this
grave python
Yeah
sullen berry
dont worry?
dont worry, be happy 
Offseason is literally a time not to expect esports news
Its just business as usual if you like when this server is active days or weeks before a big tournament, thats how it works
sullen berry
https://x.com/amartarae/status/2014832640059220364?s=46
OW Podcast of the year leaks that LEP and TR33 are on DSG 
viscid hatch
Lmao
They also hinted that they know why ssg isn’t going to boot camp, what was the reason?
wise orbit
tbh i wouldnt be that mad at shu to zeta because then we most likely get shu viol2t
and like
is a more auraful backline even possible lol
sacred gulch
is a more auraful backline even possible lol
aura doesnt mean good tho sadly
its alright
who let viol2t back in t1
cosmic socket
shu to t1 makes more sense but i'm a biased bernarbro and wanna see him finally go to lans again
proven siren
Lol
waxen swan
Esport
torn portal
shu to t1 makes more sense but i'm a biased bernarbro and wanna see him finally ...
Trust every zeta rumor will be true
Inshallah
Mealgaru Bernar Prophet Pelican Shu Viol2t
When ur biggest “weakness” is that pelican is a bit worse than heesang and proper
It’s a good sign for a roster
cosmic socket
Mealgaru Bernar Prophet Pelican Shu Viol2t
and bernar WONT be benched❗️
torn portal
and bernar WONT be benched❗️
It’s literally just houston too
Prophet and happy have the same hero pool too it’s perfect
(not as good trac as happy but wtver)
double fdps is fake anyway
teal hare
When ur biggest “weakness” is that pelican is a bit worse than heesang and prope...
Viol2t would be the biggest weakness there
Viol2t randomly throwing even on a mid tier emea team will never not be funny
torn portal
Viol2t would be the biggest weakness there
What’s crazy is that since he gets so many beats per maps even if he ajax’s a quarter of them he’s still probably getting
about the same number of beat casts as the enemy
I would die on the hill that viol2t is still the most valuable main support itw and its not particularly close
sure ch0r0ng never ajaxes but has he built beat 7 times in one runasapi? topping damage? farms illari ult faster than tracer gets pulse?
teal hare
How many maps has ch0r0ng sold by forcing illari randomly for no reason or missing the most crucial beat
Or just randomly peaking proper on soj while he’s on Lucio losing a fight
He feeds
So often and loses fights that just shouldn’t have been lost
He’s got one of the worst brig plays we’ve ever seen
Like
Even including t2 play
Peaking an entire team as his team responds solo on brig
sullen berry
https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2015155342645006464
I dont speak french whose on this roster
teal hare
sullen berry
If it didnt have a video, i wouldn't have posted this
It's just their Bootcamp roster that's unlikely to change before EMEA
Perhaps they might talk to players while they are in Korea?
torn portal
we knew about this roster since stockholm
someone at peps just told OWTV directly in an interview they would keep their roster going into s3
teal hare
we knew about this roster since stockholm
Someone literally just asked about the roster that’s all I saw and I had this ready
torn portal
ic
cosmic socket
i was gonna flame peps for getting partner team slot but is it actually bad to have mid tier orgs get partnered?
teal hare
Not really
Plus seeing as they did show up pretty well that last stage
Top 3 is nothing to put down
glass sleet
tbh i wouldnt be that mad at shu to zeta because then we most likely get shu vio...
Shu skewed
LA glads days
glass sleet
i was gonna flame peps for getting partner team slot but is it actually bad to h...
It’s not bad necessarily. It’s just, we rather have real orgs investing in the esport rather than just small org that isn’t gonna spend money.
If peps AND another org joined, that’s fine. But ONLY having peps after losing geng as well hurts. Peps doesn’t care about building the best roster with the best players and or can’t afford it. So you have new players like dip willys zorrow being on partnered team and players like ziyad lbdd7 aren’t on partnered orgs and don’t get any of the privileges or benefits of being on one.
Of course it’s not Peps fault
grave python
https://fxtwitter.com/i/status/2015155342645006464
I dont speak french whose on ...
C’est le même roster que celui du Stage 3 
teal hare
If peps AND another org joined, that’s fine. But ONLY having peps after losing g...
Peps is probably one of the best mid orgs TO get especially because of the fact peps purpose is to highlight eu and French talent
I think peps is y far not a bad choice in any way (especially compared to disguiseds team)
glass sleet
Peps is probably one of the best mid orgs TO get especially because of the fact ...
Like I said, peps themselves aren’t the issue.
teal hare
Like I said, peps themselves aren’t the issue.
The part that makes me mad about na
Is out of our top 4 teams
1 of them shutdown
2 got oartnered
And Sakura got dropped by theyre org
Why the fuck did disguised toasts team earn a spot over SAKURA of all teams
glass sleet
Why the fuck did disguised toasts team earn a spot over SAKURA of all teams
Exposure
teal hare
Still pisses me off to no end csuse we might not even get Sakuras team now despite like
Most of them where really good and hell individually they could keep up pretty well with the best teams in there region at least
mortal cipher
Oh no
sacred gulch
can we kill freja
monkey being completely unuseable is actually one of the worst things that could happen to overwatch
grave python
monkey being completely unuseable is actually one of the worst things that could...
It’s insane yeah
He used to be one of the best tanks
His perks needs changes I think
carmine igloo
What would you change to make him more resistant to being poked out before he engages?
I’m genuinely curious not like in a sarcastic way
glass sleet
idk what her sources are but let's hope
Shu belongs in T1
Why would shu pick zeta over T1? He wants to play with mealgaru over donghak?
cosmic socket
Shu belongs in T1
money maybe
shu to t1 objectively makes more sense but pretty much every leak i've seen is that he's leaning zeta
glass sleet
money maybe
You believe zeta would pay more than T1? After signing a new roster as well?
cosmic socket
idk leaks are leaks
glass sleet
Idk. I hope it’s T1
cosmic socket
as a zeta fan seeing a shu skewed reunion would be tuff
glass sleet
as a zeta fan seeing a shu skewed reunion would be tuff
Maybe shu only plays for Japanese orgs 
Sauna back to overwatch?
He’s in sel with slowdive and one. Ex vision players
Oh wow twisted minds played yesterday.
teal hare
Your not really thinking did t1 even make an offer
He might not have at all gotten an offer before accepting one from zeta
versed igloo
His perks needs changes I think
problem is he’s only weak in pro league
monkey is strong in every area of the game but t1 and t2
so he most likely won’t get a change I think
grave python
so he most likely won’t get a change I think
Every character will get a change in s21
There will be a big patch
versed igloo
yea ik it’s gonna be a huge season
every hero? I didn’t know abt that
have they said anything specific or js every hero will change in some way
grave python
Nah but they said that there will a big change on PvP that might have a more important impact than perks
viscid hatch
What would you change to make him more resistant to being poked out before he en...
Bro another tank
Either that or we keep power creeping every tank and buffing their numbers 😃
cosmic socket
His perks needs changes I think
his perks do need reworks yeah but i think he fundamentally just doesnt work in modern organized play
grave python
his perks do need reworks yeah but i think he fundamentally just doesnt work in ...
Ah yeah ?
cosmic socket
like he was obviously relevant in 2024 but i think its because our understanding of 5v5 just evolved so much in 2025
like sym didnt become meta from getting buffed, teams just start playing sym comp better
grave python
like sym didnt become meta from getting buffed, teams just start playing sym com...
Yeah this is true
Sometimes I forget that patch notes are not only the reason why a character is meta
About the "our understanding of 5v5" I'm ngl I don't really get what you exactly mean
wise orbit
https://youtu.be/CQwRdQM0EzQ i liked this video from ocie
she talks about the state of winston in modern pro overwatch especially in regards to the freja match up
sacred gulch
https://youtu.be/CQwRdQM0EzQ i liked this video from ocie
yeah this is what i was refering too aswell
all it took was bitchass freja
well and hero bans
wise orbit
wow almost perfect timing
wise orbit
well and hero bans
works both ways really
grave python
https://youtu.be/CQwRdQM0EzQ i liked this video from ocie
I agree with this comment
I'm sad cause I'm a Reinhardt main since 2017 and I also love playing winston
sacred gulch
i mean rein’s kit is just extremely outdated
grave python
Like I can't play D.va or Doom
I can play Hazard but I love winston
Maybe because Rein and winston are both main tank
sacred gulch
you cant play the easiest tank in the game?
sacred gulch
she 100% is
grave python
It's mostly subjective
sacred gulch
it is a objective fact a toddler could have a good game with dva
shes like mashing in a fighting game but it will always work
- shes strong right now
sacred gulch
im just on dva not being piss easy
sacred gulch
its a huge shame hawk otps her
cause she prob gonna get banned unless s21 makes serious changes
grave python
i mean rein’s kit is just extremely outdated
Aaron Keller said that multiples reworks are coming in 2026 so we'll see if they'll change Reinhardt a bit
sacred gulch
Aaron Keller said that multiples reworks are coming in 2026 so we'll see if they...
Sombra 76
invis no fun
i am silver and its not fair
mortal cipher
Like I can't play D.va or Doom
I’m able to play Dva still on tank but maybe it’s because I’ve played her for a decade
grave python
Remember when they reworked Pharah and Ball in s9 and s10 ?
sacred gulch
do we even classify those reworks?
grave python
Well it's a small rework but they improved the quality of life of their kit
It helped Pharah and Ball a lot
sacred gulch
we should pick the best players out of owcd and see how far they get
our best dps is prob demontic
the bigger question is do they end up having to settle for a
gm player on one of the roles 
wise orbit
but who is easier
probably the easiest dive tank but for sure harder than the ground tanks
sacred gulch
probably the easiest dive tank but for sure harder than the ground tanks
you think like hog is easier?
wise orbit
easiest tank is probably rein maybe ram or orisa
sacred gulch
i think i could give tnat
wise orbit
hog as well
grave python
Hog needs another rework
sacred gulch
hog is either abysmal dogshit or hard meta
wise orbit
harder than hog and dva
you think rein is harder than dva?
sacred gulch
cant wait for the rework
sacred gulch
you think rein is harder than dva?
yes
you’re a sitting duck compared to gets to reposition every 2 seconds
charge is abhorrent even after they let you cancel it
wise orbit
but theres zero mechanics and the macro is pretty simple all things considered
sacred gulch
it used to be a suicide ability
the easiest thing about rein is firestrike
is virtually unmissable
grave python
I’d put shield bash on Reinhardt
cosmic socket
Aaron Keller said that multiples reworks are coming in 2026 so we'll see if they...
probably not
reins winrate and pickrate arent actually horrible even at higher ranks and those are the only thing theyre concerned about
wise orbit
like dva is pretty hard mechanically as far as tanks go, you have the staging aspect that all the dive tanks have so the macro is more complex and i feel like she's very easy to feed on if you dont know what ur doing
rein can get a lot of value just anchoring point
and theres almost 0 mechanical demand
grave python
reins winrate and pickrate arent actually horrible even at higher ranks and thos...
Yeah but I still wouldn’t be surprised
sacred gulch
and theres almost 0 mechanical demand
maybe im just more on hes bad
grave python
His kit didn’t age well
wise orbit
yea im kind of ignoring game balance
his kit is simpler and easier to learn is what i mean
man as a fan of the esport i kind of wish they took pro play/high elo more into account when balancing even if it makes 0 sense from a business standpoint
sacred gulch
his kit is simpler and easier to learn is what i mean
ill give it i think hes easier to feed on tho
wise orbit
so tired of ram/zar/dva + kiri lucio all year
sacred gulch
on dva you’d accidentally save yourself alot more
wise orbit
kiri lucio since ow2 release
wise orbit
ill give it i think hes easier to feed on tho
yea ur not allowed to make plays on that character
sacred gulch
i love lucio as a ms main
grave python
man as a fan of the esport i kind of wish they took pro play/high elo more into ...
Honestly I never get tired of kiri lucio but I agree
sacred gulch
but they have neuter kiri to make her off meta
nerfing lucio isnt the play
the 1 second to boop was harsh but ill accept he needed it
bit too strong
killing lucio will stagnate the meta more than vitalize it
possibly to the point of a double flex meta
and thats just soooo fun
X
mortal cipher
https://x.com/89015ow/status/2015414741221757318?s=46&t=vzyexn6-XZvt--tEuV5pSw
Hold up
sacred gulch
<:SanaDetective:629013283491414030>
mortal cipher
<:felixevil:724099324648226866>
sacred gulch
<a:ayeritea:871540892467621949>
mortal cipher
<:felixcry:645963853498155009>
Lol
sacred gulch
mortal cipher
Heh
elder tendon
Is hog played in recent owcs?
wise orbit
korea played some roadhog at the beginning of stage 3 last year iirc
but yea no currently he's probably not viable at all in pro play
wise orbit
X
pure bramble
https://x.com/IKILLPEOPLE18/status/2015604150646542763
i see a world where lip ends up benched
in some metas
wise orbit
nah
pure bramble
does Stalk3r not have an elite widow on him
pure bramble
he can bench either one if he wants lowkey 😭
wise orbit
yea
obv stalk3r fdps and lip mdps is the best combination in a regular fdps + mdps meta
also stalk3r doesnt want to play hitscan presumably
wise orbit
yea
pure bramble
so I think Heesang probably will end up benched
it’s just Stalk3r can also do what lip does
so I think maybe there’s a chance
wise orbit
it'll be interesting when lip leaves
i think he said it's possible he wont play the entire year
cosmic socket
my theory is heesang gets benched until lip retires halfway thru 2026 and stalker gets stuck in hitscan jail
wise orbit
yea that would be the only logical outcome if this happened to any other team
pure bramble
no thank you Heesang
wise orbit
probably whats gonna happen to cr
but idk apparently stalk3r rly doesnt want to play that role
pure bramble
theres a chance they could pick up someone else for hitscan
maybe later down the year
they could pick up Ade
cosmic socket
ades prolly going zeta
sacred gulch
X
idk why the korean players just dont do their service asap or not get special treatment
didnt faker dodge the draft
cause hes like a national treasure or something
wise orbit
most pros start out when they're teens so it makes sense for them to keep that momentum going instead of taking a 2 year break
faker i think won a gold medal in a tournament that gave him exemption
sacred gulch
faker i think won a gold medal in a tournament that gave him exemption
i wouldnt be surprised if some low end pro tried throwing away his citizenship and staying in eu or america
any game tbh
im a fat american and cant fathom being in a military setting
imagine being a scrawny nerd
mortal cipher
didnt faker dodge the draft
that was because he places first at the Asian Games and every member that got Gold on that team exempted Military which included Keria Ruler Faker Chovy Kanavi and Zeus
but some did basic training but not actual Military
viscid hatch
A 4th name change has hit the towers
carmine igloo
ngl yveltal was a peak name already
viscid hatch
Yes
static pond
cause hes like a national treasure or something
Not surprise didt he get like the highest medal recently?
static pond
https://x.com/abdullahrisk/status/2015770235681272160
I wanted to cheer for t1….
glass sleet
https://x.com/abdullahrisk/status/2015770235681272160
Lol
If that’s true, then bliss is like Kellan. He keeps getting on better teams.
glass sleet
faker i think won a gold medal in a tournament that gave him exemption
Asia games
I believe
glass sleet
idk why the korean players just dont do their service asap or not get special tr...
No one is exempt unless you have a health condition or won a gold medal in sports or esports. And the part where you say they should do it asap, 20-22 months is a long time. You’re basically gone for two years.
But ask the Korean guy here who just finished his military service
mortal cipher
https://x.com/abdullahrisk/status/2015770235681272160
i mean Bliss has been part of this core when they were Yeti and before Fnatic pulled a Fnatic and Bliss is a good Young Main support so now Skewed wont have to play Main support anymore
so not a bad idea
vestal spoke
“fat beauty” LOL
static pond
idk why the korean players just dont do their service asap or not get special tr...
They usually do it at the end cuz military opens up more opportunities
Sbb as far as ik he in military
But trying to be a doctor
sullen berry
“fat beauty” LOL
My plump king
viscid hatch
Does anyone know what happened with TOMMATHAN?
teal hare
He takes ages to edit and script videos that’s all
Like fucking ages and also has a busy life outside of them
vestal spoke
Does anyone know what happened with TOMMATHAN?
just takes a while to upload
youll see him on twitter
viscid hatch
Oh sweet
teal hare
<@734272154039877751>
WHYYYYYYYYYYY AAAAAAAAAA
cosmic socket
i just refuse to believe he got zero offers
like no way the 2x na stage winner and first western tank to beat a korean owcs team doesnt get any partner team offers while the fellon of na gets on dallas
either hes baiting and is on dsg or he willingly retired
teal hare
He’s back in Australia rn
Nobody wants the ping and costs with having a player in Australia
It’s really just that simple sadly
gritty creek
He’s back in Australia rn
The place so goated we're not in any esports
glass sleet
He says the F word too much. He can’t stop himself from saying it I guess.
sullen berry
https://x.com/ok_z_u/status/2016096860776321232?s=20 the plane is headed to riyadh for ewc 2026, where are you sitting
X
chilly storm
Is falcons newest signing junbuck a player or a coach??
chilly storm
Oooh nice, thanks for the info! Will they sign/release anyone before owcs starts up again? Typ release stalker
teal hare
Only thing that might happen is another Korean team@signs stalk3r
We don’t know yet though cr and flc haven’t finalized they’re rosters yet
sullen berry
O
sullen berry
translated but it sounds like we'll have an AG Global playing in China this time
seeing as most of China went unsponsored last year
let's hope they stick to it long term like they promised in korea 
robust patio
https://x.com/ok_z_u/status/2016096860776321232?s=20 the plane is headed to riya...
6
im not letting shu leave until he tells mehis team
sullen berry
i was considering 5 because of the window
but it turns out we're doing the aisle meta now
why would they do something so diabolical and put him in the middle seat of premium economy
grave python
Is AGG joining OW ?
sullen berry
the post was in Chinese on Weibo, so it do be OWCS China
thorny gazelle
https://x.com/ok_z_u/status/2016096860776321232?s=20 the plane is headed to riya...
In another plane, if this was my plane it means I took the wrong one at first
mortal cipher
So we got JDG and AGG
And still Weibo Gaming
grave python
And still Weibo Gaming
Indeed
grave python
Why do they put several eyes
Are they going to announce esport news during the spotlight
mortal cipher
10 eyes
wide drum
https://x.com/OW_Esports/status/2016196515103179218
they will finally execute kellan on live tv, thank you overwatch
mortal cipher
Kellen the Felon
errant karma
yeah its over we not doing shit
wide drum
bottom 3 team ⁉️ 👀
cosmic socket
yeah its over we not doing shit
i'm sorry lukeminos full name is luke fish?
mortal cipher
what are these imports
Probably most would rather stay in Korea EU, China, or Japan
So…
stray jackal
yeah its over we not doing shit
Ts ain't denting ANYTHING
wise orbit
can disguised toast actually just fucking announce already LOL
glass sleet
yeah its over we not doing shit
Bro’s name is Luke Fish?
glass sleet
https://x.com/ok_z_u/status/2016096860776321232?s=20 the plane is headed to riya...
Who’s the asshole who put donghak next to chiyo
glass sleet
https://x.com/ok_z_u/status/2016096860776321232?s=20 the plane is headed to riya...
It’s hard to pick but you know where I WOULDNT sit? 18
mortal cipher
Who’s the asshole who put donghak next to chiyo
Chiyo has to face the music eventually
static pond
X
robust patio
https://x.com/owcesports/status/2016254053500530744?s=46
peak
oh they returning to owcs china
not korea
pff
sullen berry
they will finally execute kellan on live tv, thank you overwatch
Dallas vs the Fuel for the entire presentation, it will be extraordinary
sullen berry
not korea
I predicted this all the way back when they left. Its less betrayal and more "I told you so, now get outta here EWC tourist"
robust patio
hmmm
mortal cipher
oh they returning to owcs china
i mean they are a chinese org so makes sense
robust patio
i mean they are a chinese org so makes sense
yea ig
digital cobalt
Idk if this is the place to ask questions but, my brother had a OverWatch one account with a lot of skins, does that stuff migrate over to the second one?
wide drum
yup the same account carries over
sacred gulch
yeah its over we not doing shit
tfw kronik and cjay are the best players on the team
they aint burning shit
wide drum
kronik is a freja merchant
wide drum
i thought seonjun was better than him at least
glass sleet
https://x.com/owcesports/status/2016254053500530744?s=46
Not as a partner right?
grave python
Not as a partner right?
We don’t know
mortal cipher
If anyone is being partnered it’s probably Weibo and JDG
carmine igloo
they did say they'd announce the china partners later
idk if that's already happened or not
mortal cipher
I don’t think yet
pallid spoke
tfw kronik and cjay are the best players on the team
who is fdps on that team
idk why but I thought seonjun also played hs
mortal cipher
Ye
errant karma
tfw kronik and cjay are the best players on the team
my franchise is cooked
pure bramble
do yall think the Microsoft acquisition of Blizzard hurt or benefitted the esports scene
cosmic socket
X
cosmic socket
do yall think the Microsoft acquisition of Blizzard hurt or benefitted the espor...
i honestly forgot that happened
but things have been going relatively well considering how cooked things looked to be after the end of OWL
wide drum
pge seeker duo 🥹
mortal cipher
ooh
cosmic socket
idk why they dont js announce lol
its more aura
i'm assuming they drop the full roster tomorrow
teal hare
The most racist man alive
Seeker
There’s no way they announce seeker unless they wanna be dead in the water for fans
sacred gulch
There’s no way they announce seeker unless they wanna be dead in the water for f...
at least its pge and not hydron
sullen berry
https://x.com/spacestation/status/2016663162809147778?s=46
Too bad he wasnt an official player, then i'd HAVE to post this 😭
full zenith
idk why but I thought seonjun also played hs
I mean he has played quite of bit of hitscan in matches so that might be why
rugged quest
do yall think the Microsoft acquisition of Blizzard hurt or benefitted the espor...
they dont gaf
we would be in this position microsoft or not
cosmic socket
where dsg
civic python
Jesus Christ is the Son of God, Who died for our sins and rose from the dead to give us the free gift of eternal life and heal our bodies. You can ask Jesus for His gift.💯
sacred gulch
sacred gulch
X
cosmic socket
mortal cipher
lol
sacred gulch
https://tenor.com/view/nailong-dwerk-nai-long-gif-15426790143370555042
no fucking way
huge fan
sacred gulch
but anyway, dsg roster gonna be weird dude
surreal scroll
I've been pretty good, trying to build up a bit of a coaching gig atm cuz not competing rn
sacred gulch
I've been pretty good, trying to build up a bit of a coaching gig atm cuz not co...
have you looked into applying here then?
#old-coach-coaching-info #old-coach-list #1429233023919984780 all that jazz
surreal scroll
Only doing paid coaching atm, haven't really looked into it here nah
sacred gulch
i mean they have paid coaches like demontic
its just not enforced by the server
idk
actually
@robust patio yo how does it work with paid coaches here?
glossy steeple
I've been pretty good, trying to build up a bit of a coaching gig atm cuz not co...
Hopefully you've not been struggling in recent years with all the turmoil around the world
sullen berry
https://tenor.com/view/nailong-dwerk-nai-long-gif-15426790143370555042
Have a seat, king 🤴
sacred gulch
if we can just get admiral in here
my life would
be complete
im not gonna bug big cuffa about his situation or anything but can we agree hes prob better than hawk
sacred gulch
dva one trick vs one of the few to actually figure out hazard at the pro level
sullen berry
<@614666763191189511> yo how does it work with paid coaches here?
The last i remember you can't offer paid coaching services here, you can engage here and there for exposure ig
sacred gulch
The last i remember you can't offer paid coaching services here, you can engage ...
i mean this is demontics listing
maybe its just the way you go about selling it
carmine igloo
The last i remember you can't offer paid coaching services here, you can engage ...
i think you can IF you're a registered coach with the server
teal hare
yooooooo my goaaaat was here less gooo
sacred gulch
he could be registered easily, hes well known if he chooses too
sullen berry
i think you can IF you're a registered coach with the server
It's been a while, probably older rules to make sure people don't abuse it to spam & advertise excessively.
I know Cuffa ain't like that. DMs for paid services are free game 🎮
sacred gulch
spilo is in here but isnt a coach cause he had to interact with clams and wrote this place off
sullen berry
spilo is in here but isnt a coach cause he had to interact with clams and wrote ...
Clams lol 
sacred gulch
Clams lol <a:SkypeDrunk:395314893789724692>
sullen berry
Wish i was there when he posted this
teal hare
Is this like the actual real post I thought this was fake
sacred gulch
same
sacred gulch
Is this like the actual real post I thought this was fake
idk
sullen berry
Doesn't look like a recent post
@devout path cuffa can teach you how to play tank in OCE servers with your NA ping
devout path
<@405088084229619715> cuffa can teach you how to play tank in OCE servers with y...
what
cosmic socket
LOL
sullen berry
I've been pretty good, trying to build up a bit of a coaching gig atm cuz not co...
Bump
sacred gulch
what is oce to na even like
sullen berry
It's exactly what you think it sounds like
sacred gulch
cause he lived in na cause of college most of the time anyway
devout path
i havent spoken here in months hi kenobi
sullen berry
Addison remebers because she played rein on my servers
devout path
oh wait i did
sullen berry
Peak OW2 opening weekend
devout path
im waiting to play in a cs2 match
surreal scroll
👀
sacred gulch
need round to start so i can see pge throw and ssg carry na to victory
i wish the dallas fuel roster wasnt 2 good players and 3 nobodies
sullen berry
im waiting to play in a cs2 match
Gl hf 
pallid spoke
Is this like the actual real post I thought this was fake
This is real
the clams spilo thing
sullen berry
some say clams is still convinced that spilo doesnt know about lane theory
sullen berry
Wondering if its worth a shot over highlander with frens this weekend
We will be absolutely trash either way
surreal scroll
Whats highlander
sullen berry
*highguard
sullen berry
Finals still has that ai thing for the voiceover but at least the music is still fire 🔥
teal hare
It’s a text to speech ai
That’s
It
Like geniunely it’s closer to the tts streamers use then a real ai
Only part generating is team names when spoken csuse they aren’t consistent
mortal cipher
lol
tired epoch
stray jackal
at least its pge and not hydron
What's wrong with hydron?
sacred gulch
What's wrong with hydron?
hes a piece of shit outside of the game and he also sucks
t3 hitscans are better than him
jay3 could get dragged from marvel rivals and forcefully thrown on a contenders team and probably diff hydron on ashe
reef seal
What's wrong with hydron?
He’s the worst owl player I’ve ever seen
stray jackal
Holy..
That's a little harsh
He's on a team with iron, so you may have a point :)
reef seal
I mean that’s probably a stretch but he’s genuinely awful at the game
Like beyond normal pro player bad levels
stray jackal
Is he just washed? Or was he never good
Cause he did get picked for world cup and stuff
@reef seal
carmine igloo
Cause he did get picked for world cup and stuff
Idk if this is saying much, I mean backbone got picked for team gb
His gameplay in the wc still haunts me
reef seal
Is he just washed? Or was he never good
never good
sacred gulch
jay3 could get dragged from marvel rivals and forcefully thrown on a contenders ...
.
teal hare
Pretty sure Viol2t currently is better then hydrons peak
torn portal
Pretty sure Viol2t currently is better then hydrons peak
Not even close
Viol2t might be better on hitscan like
No he def is on illari
sacred gulch
i like your name
everyone does
ocie wasnt fucking kidding
koreans cant play kings row
seeing kings row just deletes all of their gamesense
teal hare
Not even close
That’s why I said that
The king of choking is a better player and person and he also shit talked his own team just to@make them feel worse
sacred gulch
viol2t can click heads
hydron cant
kajor’s latest glaze videos literally have hydron on enemy team body shotting as ashe
teal hare
Yea
Not even kajor could glaze hurtin
Huston
Hydron fuckin dumbass ohone even hates him
teal hare
i mean the video is about pge
Yea but I don’t think kajor could even glaze him if he tried
sacred gulch
Yea but I don’t think kajor could even glaze him if he tried
hydron’s rank is nepotism
teal hare
Dhillducks games without coms
Sad boring unfun
Dhillducks games with coms
The most chaotic entertaining games you can watch
mortal cipher
What's wrong with hydron?
He called some world champions Frauds when he’s done little to anything of note in OWL
So lol
sacred gulch
Lol
if we get a full rank reset and he has to solo queue does he REALLY get back to gm/champ?
lets think here
glass sleet
if we get a full rank reset and he has to solo queue does he REALLY get back to ...
If we get a full reset, no one is reaching gm solo. Not with their current mmr.
sacred gulch
If we get a full reset, no one is reaching gm solo. Not with their current mmr.
?
what
many players can reach gm solo from the ground up
champ even
glass sleet
?
They’ll be hard stuck. Gm players only reach gm solo on new accounts where the mmr is extremely forgiving and the matchmaking isn’t rigged
sacred gulch
okay now you’re hard coping
glass sleet
Lol no I’m not. Ranking up on a new account is a million times easier than ranking on current account. Cuz rank reset doesn’t reset mmr
Only the rank on your screen
sacred gulch
That has nothing to do with the fact that a good player will fly back into high elo
glass sleet
On a new account
glass sleet
If their current accounts had a reset but their mmr still the same (which what rank rests do) it will be a million times harder to rank up because your lobbies’ mmr would be way higher than what your rank on your screen is
Idk why I’m explaining this. This is known stuff about rank reset and new accounts
sacred gulch
the players mentioned are best of the best
they actively win even in the hardest lobbies
my point was hydron
nepo baby he is
couldnt get past masters without a duo
glass sleet
I don’t think you understand what is being said
sacred gulch
lemme try to get it
rank reset resets the fake rank symbol
while
your high overall hidden mmr stays the same
is that what you’re saying?
glass sleet
Yeah
sacred gulch
yes
glass sleet
That part is correct
sacred gulch
those players mentioned would still climb
glass sleet
sacred gulch
they are the best
glass sleet
Hey I doubt it
sacred gulch
you think infekted wintraded to c1?
glass sleet
you think infekted wintraded to c1?
No lol
sacred gulch
they already carry masters against champs
a bigger diff than plat-masers
champ games dont exists
glass sleet
Idk maybe. That part idk about. They all duo on their mains cuz soloing is gambling. That’s why they all solo on alt accounts
sacred gulch
its just masters games
with some champs and gms thrown in
sacred gulch
The pros are not wintrading
infekted simply couldnt solo queue to gm in a full reset
surely
super hard gm
stray jackal
What even is this discussion
The best players in the world would get champ yea
Discussion over..
stray jackal
He called some world champions Frauds when he’s done little to anything of note ...
Thats fire
Seems like a very chill guy :3
mortal cipher
Thats fire
It’s kinda weird to say especially when it was Birdring and Fleta
stray jackal
It’s kinda weird to say especially when it was Birdring and Fleta
O yea, i forgot sarcasm is really difficult to clarify through chat
mortal cipher
I mean this is one of people who said Speddily is a better echo than mvp Fleta
stray jackal
Who.... WHAT
mortal cipher
O yea, i forgot sarcasm is really difficult to clarify through chat
No I understand with the second phrase
mortal cipher
Who.... WHAT
He was on Toronto for like a stage or 2
stray jackal
Hydron is on some stuff
mortal cipher
He rlly is
sacred gulch
hydron’s rank is nepotism
.
mortal cipher
Probably the best echo in ow1, vs some random guy on toronto
He apparently was insane on American Tornado but it never transferred over to tier 1 play
But saying he’s better than peak Fleta is insane even during that Shanghai event Fleta still looked insane
stray jackal
Mhm
mortal cipher
Ye
wise orbit
eu players
pallid spoke
Used to play on tsm with rokit
sacred gulch
dallas fuel is better than this
pallid spoke
he’s one of the better tanks in na iirc
sacred gulch
he’s one of the better tanks in na iirc
better than the rosters tank?
crimson idol
imports are Tred and Scyle right?
wise orbit
yea
pallid spoke
Idk anything abt tred
crimson idol
tred has a decent DVA iirc
sacred gulch
all in on ssg
wise orbit
idk no one on this team really stands out to me
sacred gulch
i believe in admiral
wise orbit
everyone is mid
crimson idol
expectations are v low for dsg unfort
sacred gulch
ssg is closest we got to an all star roster
cuffa should be playing over hawk
rip big cuffa
pallid spoke
better than the rosters tank?
Capitology glazes him so he’s prob alr
wise orbit
if meta stays the same ssg will dominate all year
crimson idol
i like hawk as tank
crimson idol
his hero pool is shallow af but i think hes good
wise orbit
like unless monkey and ball become relevant in the west again ssg will be in a tier of their own the entire year i think
sacred gulch
end of the season showed guxue fall off of the century
pallid spoke
if meta stays the same ssg will dominate all year
will sugarbron ever play sym
sacred gulch
cause monkey is fucking bad
pallid spoke
lethal sugarfree is a lights out dps line tho for na
sacred gulch
100%
wise orbit
will sugarbron ever play sym
idk
sacred gulch
admiral uv is the best backline in na too
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he doesnt seem to want to
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league of their own
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maybe chris can force him
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Or it’s tracer meta again
spread will prob be reverted
sugarbron will gap eu fdps
maybe koreans too
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maybe koreans too
heesang proper…
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sugarbron will gap eu fdps
idk
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emea is more known for sym rn ig but we have some insane tracer genji guys as well
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but that guy has no passion anymore
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kev, seicoe, dip come to mind
he's not diffing the koreans on those heroes thoughi dont think
well maybe
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https://x.com/disguised/status/2017326958213009826
na talent pool so small we getting a dhill ducks player on a partner team
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the gap is probably not as big as one would think
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We just need to hold a razor to his hairline again to ignite sugarbrons passion
if he gets gapped it’s legit a passion gap
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reyzr was the only decent guy on dhill ducks though no
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im happy to see raikker on a roster again tho
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and hes a sub anyway
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even if only as a sub
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Do him and tred have diff pools
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yes
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beast
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raikkers has the basic mt hero pool
ball monkey doom
pretty good hazard too actually
and tred is a dva otp
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wheres cuffa and pk tho
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hazard i think too
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wheres cuffa and pk tho
I’m saying
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but we've nmot seen that character in forever
raikker probably subs in if they're on like gib, dorado, ilios type maps
tred for anything else
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and tred is a dva otp
tbh i actually have no idea abt tred
is he actually a dva otp or what
i thought he was just a regular tank player
lowkey didnt watch any gen.g games at all
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dva hazard two trick*
sullen berry
I think people forget that this is a partner team, look at this team management
https://x.com/i/status/2017327328159011308
Mcgravy Cap and Albert Yeh on the same team
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a lot of coaches for a vibes team