esports-discussion

[sacred gulch]

xqc also played around too much

mickie seagull taimou prob the only ones taking it seriously

[glass sleet]

I unfortunately only got to watch the last season of OWL

[sacred gulch]

can always go back on youtube, you'll find stuff

[glass sleet]

What’s the point of watching old seasons? I’m not even interested in 6v6

[sacred gulch]

nostalgia simply, look back on old balance any reason tbh

[glass sleet]

Can’t have nostalgia if I’ve never been there to begin with

I came with ow2

[cosmic socket]

i mean it also doesn't help that offtanks and sym have been broken all year

like hawk is pretty good but he isnt going anywhere internationally without a sym

[glass sleet]

Like NA can’t play off tanks?

They can, they just can’t play dva.

[cosmic socket]

yeah the quintessential offtank

[glass sleet]

I can’t wait for roster announcements

[cosmic socket]

also wym they literally cant

what offtanks are you referring to

[glass sleet]

Ram mostly

[cosmic socket]

no dva no zarya no sigma

[glass sleet]

Ram sigma zarya

Na can play those heroes wdym

[cosmic socket]

is ram an off tank?

[glass sleet]

Yeah

[cosmic socket]

i mean ig so

[glass sleet]

Always been called that

Tempo tank

Lol

[cosmic socket]

even if he is that hero is brainless

saying na can play ram is an extremely low bar

[glass sleet]

Ok?

[teal hare]

We’ve done decent in Winston and ball stuff

[glass sleet]

Those are main tanks

[teal hare]

Dva we refuse to play for some reason

Zarya we have great ones

[glass sleet]

Cuz they’re bad at her. It’s that simple

[teal hare]

That’s what practice is for but again hence the wording still refuse to play her

[glass sleet]

Practice isn’t gonna guarantee you’ll be good at her

Otherwise emea would be so good on monkey by now

[teal hare]

No but practice is how you even have a chance at being good at them

Which na still just decides we don’t have to even try

[wet seal]

Hawk and painkiller are good at dva she just loses if the opponent has dva symmetra

you are not correct

[teal hare]

I forgot about painkiller

Hawk I wish would have played her more but it’s been so long since we’ve seen it
Juno was the last time it was prevalent but every pro HAD to play dva juno at that time

[cosmic socket]

calling pk good at dva is a stretch

[humble token]

Agree

[errant karma]

calling painkiller good in general is a stretch

[teal hare]

Na has like 2 people who play off tanks at all painkiller is good by default since the only other option is hawk who’s nas sigma zar and dva

[wise orbit]

pk is decent for na

top 4 or 5 tank this season for sure

i would think hes in the same tier as like hitori and zeb

i think the tier break between those guys and like infekted and hawk is pretty big though

[glass sleet]

Top 5 like that’s not all of na tanks

[glass sleet]

Hawk played poorly on dva. Even against non sym teams

[wise orbit]

wdym

like 5 only good ones

[glass sleet]

No like na has 5 tanks

Saying 5 is saying all of them

[pallid spoke]

infekted cuffa hawk pk and who else

I lowk only can think of 4 LOL

[wise orbit]

because you have others like raikker pela cartifan rhyno clear(?) etc

like obv they're not as good but like

[glass sleet]

Hawk, infekted, painkiller, rhyno, are genuinely only tanks I can think of

[pallid spoke]

I kind of want to see cartifan in a dive meta I’m ngl

[glass sleet]

Oh yeah Cuffa

[glass sleet]

Clear isn’t even in na

[pallid spoke]

I think it’s like 50/50 whether or not u consider him NA

[glass sleet]

Just shows you how much na you know lol

[pallid spoke]

since he’s a student here I would

[glass sleet]

He’s a non import na tank

[wise orbit]

cuffa, infekted, hawk, zeb, rhyno, raikker, hitori, pela, cartifan, baz,

pk

[glass sleet]

Yeah who even are those people. Outside of infekted Hawk Cuffa pk rhyno….

[wise orbit]

he's played in both regions but thats why i put a question mark

[glass sleet]

In my eyes, na only has 5 tanks

[glass sleet]

He played in Asia more than na

Fun fact for ya

Asia?

[wise orbit]

i very much doubt htat

[glass sleet]

Whatever the proper term is I forgot

[glass sleet]

He played two stages outside of na

He played one stage with ntmr

In na

In OWCS

[wise orbit]

he played in na for half of 2024 and stage 1 and 2 in 2025

and he played collegiate as well

[glass sleet]

That’s not OWCS it doesn’t count

[wise orbit]

he's an na player that plays a lot in pacific

[glass sleet]

Yes sir

[wise orbit]

but he could for sure play na next year

but yea i put a question mark for a reason

[glass sleet]

Do you think tm gonna get stalker or zest?

[pallid spoke]

Is youbi stepping down?

[wise orbit]

idk if they will but it would make sense if they want to be more meta proof

[glass sleet]

Doubt it

He’s their sym guy

Their IGL

[wise orbit]

quartz and stalk3r would ofc be an insane dps line up

arguably the two best players at their roles

[glass sleet]

Stalk3r Quartz would be an insane dps lineup but it’s very unlikely stalker would pick tm over t1

[pallid spoke]

is stalk3r English good

[wise orbit]

so you would have a team that could compete outside of sym meta as well

like internationally

[glass sleet]

Played on mixed rosters before

Simple can teach stalker lol

[pallid spoke]

o yeah LOL

[wise orbit]

idk how likely it is but for sure makes sense

[pallid spoke]

I head ssg was gonna be giga next year does anyone have the leaks

[glass sleet]

Tm isn’t even bad on non sym comps. They beat the Koreans even when sym is banned and even before that, other majors they’d get a map off them at least. Like first team to take a map off falcons was tm with no sym I think

[wise orbit]

yea they're a really good team in general but we've not seen them be consistently good outside of sym metas

[pallid spoke]

tbf falcons dropped a map to varrel this major

[wise orbit]

they didnt even make the first lan for example

[glass sleet]

They just gotta convince stalker with shi like “we’re the world champions and we have simple and QUARTZ on the team. You should join if you wanna win”

[wise orbit]

yea one map doesnt convince me that much

[glass sleet]

Cmon that’s not fair. They had roster issues

[wise orbit]

maybe but you get what i mean

that map win without sym is a good sign but you would need consistent good results

[pallid spoke]

honestly I’m so excited for owcs to start back up

[glass sleet]

I hope they get that with stalker or even zest

I actually like zest. I think he’s very flexible and the best Korean sym player

Outside of checkmate

Stalker can teach them how to play dive I guess

Did SSG drop anyone?

Cjay right?

So many roster changes this off season

Hard to guess where players gonna end up

[wise orbit]

for eu i think alqad basically exploded, vp is building around kev, eis and fixa, and early rumours said peps is staying together for the most part

tm i have no idea except they're 100% keeping quartz, youbi and fastro

[glass sleet]

Partner team with no money to get anything done

Wasted slot

Maybe people will buy their skins and they’ll make some money to get a good player but I doubt it

[teal hare]

Can’t imagine peps would break up with how much France loves there esports and same with sweden so

[glass sleet]

I heard simple wants to stay on tm

VP might pick up Landon right?

Or that’s just a rumor

It’s true checkmate is joining falcons?

[wise orbit]

its a rumour but i think its likely

[glass sleet]

Put proper on hs and kick merit out

Proper checkmate so much better

[glass sleet]

Wtf will they do with Galaa

[wise orbit]

they dropped him

already

[glass sleet]

Oh

[wise orbit]

they made a tweet abt dropping galaa and shockwave

[glass sleet]

Where would he even go

[wise orbit]

idk

peps maybe lol

or some new eu roster

[glass sleet]

Emea only has 3 partnered orgs and one of them is not real

[wise orbit]

maybe rivals

[torn portal]

from an interview i remember that their coach didn’t plan to change roster

maybe he meant not a lot but still

[glass sleet]

Joins MR VP with sparkr

[torn portal]

galaa ain’t going rivals 😭✌️

[wise orbit]

i wouldnt be surprised to see more eu players going to rivals

[torn portal]

Rivals is sinking overwatch isn’t anymore

[glass sleet]

Partnered orgs in emea are disappointing

[wise orbit]

actual gold mine for eu specifically

[torn portal]

i would be surprised

very

[wise orbit]

na is falling apart though i heard

[torn portal]

what do you mean

lol

“i heard”

[wise orbit]

orgs leaving

[torn portal]

At least i heard from an interview

[glass sleet]

They just announced na getting two orgs

[torn portal]

“orgs leaving” we have four

[glass sleet]

Na has 4 partnered orgs now

[torn portal]

dude

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-desert-mario-gif-17602973351142304360

If anything na is about to boom and eu is gonna stay strong

Eu dropped their worst org and got one that’s known to be consistent at least

Na got four

[wise orbit]

tbf i dont keep up with marvel rivals esports that much

thats just what i heard

but like apparently eu is winning everything over there

[glass sleet]

Oh you talking about mr?

[wise orbit]

yea

[glass sleet]

This was about MR?

[wise orbit]

seems to be a gold mine for eu players

[wise orbit]

yea

[glass sleet]

I was confused

I was like na just got two extra partners

[glass sleet]

So many eu players switched to marvel

Sparkr phi and Naga are together

[wise orbit]

@torn portal i meant mr in case there was any confusion

[torn portal]

i know rivals

[glass sleet]

I think

[torn portal]

People haven’t gone to rivals since the start of season 2

Rivals orgs are dropping their teams way more than ow orgs 💀

[wise orbit]

yea but for eu specifically it seems to be going pretty well

[glass sleet]

Imagine streamers slowly try to get back into ow cuz marvel is dying

[wise orbit]

i think vestola put up a rivals lft tweet for example

[glass sleet]

Wow

He’s on vision

Rumors

I guess

[torn portal]

But again i don’t see what team or what player would want to leave. Kai? That’s it

[glass sleet]

Leave what

[teal hare]

Honestly I think the main issue ow has is the lack of talent
There isn’t really a huge amount of players region by region

Counting t2 and faceit masters players there’s still not a huge amount

[glass sleet]

Yeah

[torn portal]

Galaa is so good why would he drop ow. He can fit into a team as a main support or flex support to the highest level

He’s like leesoomin for eu

[teal hare]

And then some of the super good players aren’t able to popoff ever (xzodyal)

[wise orbit]

its abt money at the end of the day

[torn portal]

the overwatch scene

[wise orbit]

if the money is there a lot of players would do it

[glass sleet]

Kai hasn’t been around for a bit now

[torn portal]

Saudi money isn’t in rivals as hard as ow

Right?

[glass sleet]

Yay Saudi taking care of ow

[wise orbit]

idk

[glass sleet]

Last time I saw Kai, he was on a random SEL team

[torn portal]

I think gaala is 10x more likely to settle for vision than drop his career to lock mantis regardless of how much he gets paid

[glass sleet]

Vision with Vestola Galaa sounds like it could go somewhere

Maybe backbone too

[wise orbit]

i think u underestimate the money aspect

[torn portal]

They gotta keep enough for SEL

[wise orbit]

if they can make a comfortable salary in mr a lot of players would go for it

[torn portal]

I estimate that rivals doesn’t have enough to counter bid especially in eu in 2026

[wise orbit]

its very hard to live on esports

[glass sleet]

Only one who’s making a lot of money is Quartz

But it’s fair cuz he plays for 5

[torn portal]

Only players that left for rivals are also lowkey ass EXCEPT cal and sparkr

[teal hare]

The issue rivals has is its metas are even LESS stable then ow

[torn portal]

and even then cal was pretty mid

[glass sleet]

It’s washed players moving to rivals

[torn portal]

Galaa is young and goated

So is xzodyal and all these others guys u mentioned

[teal hare]

So like your pros are gonna retire as fast as in ow cause the game changes instead of once every few months to once a month

[torn portal]

Vestola i suppose

But he’s in talks with teams

[glass sleet]

What if they drop Fixa and Galaa goes back to being a ms

[torn portal]

I thought they dropped galaa

[glass sleet]

They did

[teal hare]

Xzodyal would be better by miles if he had stable wifi
That’s all they need I think@geng could have made it to lan if that mfs wifi wasn’t ass

[glass sleet]

I said what if

[torn portal]

https://x.com/virtuspro_ow2/status/2005361831980970408?s=46

Virtus.pro Overwatch 2 (@virtuspro_OW2)

Defining history like few before.

Today we say goodbye to @sHockWaveOW and @Showmakerv and want to thank them for their passion, hard work and all the fantastic memories that made this journey unforgettable.

As their contracts come to their end, we wish them nothing but the

X · Dec 28, 2025, 7:34 PM

[torn portal]

oh okay

[glass sleet]

I’m so mad about that. Maybe they would’ve stayed if they made it to lan. I’m sad they left. I love geng

[teal hare]

Same I like geng
Xzodyals gonna have a hard time finding a team to cause of that inconsistent wifi

Which sucks cause he’s incredible

[wise orbit]

eis kev xzo landon fixa would be good

i think landon is a good igl

[glass sleet]

Nah VP picks him up and he moves with the players

[torn portal]

Seicoe

Heavily rumored to sign with them

[glass sleet]

Seicoe and kev on the same team is dumb

[wise orbit]

i hear d a rumour they were getting him

imo very dumb

since they're pretty clearly keeping kev

[glass sleet]

“What if we get two tracer otps” ahh thought

[wise orbit]

like i'd rather them get backbone or checkmate or something if they're getting another non mdps

[glass sleet]

Kev and seicoe can only play tracer plus one extra hero

Ofc

Checkmate makes way more sense

Imma say it, kev is not flexible. They should bring in checkmate and bench kev

He has more synergy with Landon anyway

[wise orbit]

idk

but yea seicoe doesnt make any sense to me

budget kevster when you have kevster

[glass sleet]

Wow

What’s with the disrespect?

If anything, kev is the biggest seicoe this year

Seicoe won way more

He looked better individually not counting team performance so don’t say but his team was ass

[wise orbit]

yea but individually he wasnt very impressive this year

[glass sleet]

Yeah kev was underwhelming fr

[wise orbit]

he was benched for the most part and when he did play it was pretty underwhelming

[glass sleet]

How? He won sel

[wise orbit]

kevster spent most of the year on a failing roster but still showed up most of the time

[glass sleet]

He won OWCS

[glass sleet]

He genuinely did no show up

I’m sorry

[wise orbit]

yea result wise it was very good i mean individually

[glass sleet]

But he didn’t

[glass sleet]

He PLAYED both grand finals and won them

Youbi was benched for all of sel grand finals against alqad and all of grand finals for emea OWCS

Bro isn’t whoru gaining wrings on the bench

[wise orbit]

the only one i could find where he wasnt benched was the stage 3 grand final

in stage 2 it was youbi, in ewc it was youbi, in stockholm it was youbi

seicoe is not bad but all in all he didnt have a very impressive year

neither did kevster tbf but i think he showed up more as an individual player

[wise orbit]

well at ewc they ddint even make grand final but youbi was the one playing mostly during the lan

im only speaking abt the owcs circuit btw i didnt watch sel at all

[pseudo cosmos]

Yo anyone here?

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/alqadsiahes/status/2006032547969384734?s=46

AlQadsiah Esports (@AlQadsiahES)

NOT EVERYTHING STAYS THE SAME

Tomorrow 5:00 PM KSA ⏳

#KnightsWin - #القادسية

X · Dec 30, 2025, 4:00 PM

i guess alqad stay

[torn portal]

i can’t react but 🐢

[soft crow]

@willow plinth you wanna play?

[mortal cipher]

might be a slight change from the looks

[cursive temple]

is stalker gonna leave falcons

[robust patio]

not sure

[cursive temple]

i really want to see violet and him together

[glass sleet]

Sel has different rosters

[glass sleet]

I don’t think he’s even on the roster

[sullen herald]

Hey

I have a question, I have a problem

When I log my Battle.net account into FaceIt, I receive an email from Battle.net saying I'm logged in, but FaceIt tells me I'm not.

So I try again and my Faceit account tells me that my Battle.net account is already connected

You can help me plz

[young drift]

https://x.com/AlQadsiahES/status/2006365017948758118 well it's vague

AlQadsiah Esports (@AlQadsiahES)

THE CHAPTER CLOSED, THANKS TO OUR KNIGHTS

نهاية قصة فريق عظيم، صنع المجد وشرّف القادسية
شكرًا لأبطالنا ولكل من ساندنا في هذه الرحلة 🙏❤️

#KnightsWin - #القادسية

X · Dec 31, 2025, 2:01 PM

but it implies that they're prolly leaving overwatch

[grave python]

I really loved this team

Junbuck did a great work as coach

[young drift]

i didnt like the org so im quite happy that they're living

[grave python]

I'm not a fan of the org either

But I loved this roster

The departure of QAD won't be impactful

[young drift]

probably a net positive for the emea scene, less orgs that pay crazy high salaries and leave after a year, more financial stability

[grave python]

We'll see if more orgs will come in EMEA

I hope

[mortal cipher]

It wasn’t a partnered or big Saudi org so this wasn’t shocking

[grave python]

Yeah and some ppl wanted QAD to be partner just because they made it to grand final twice

[young drift]

lol

[grave python]

Peps deserves it way more than QAD does

[young drift]

giving partner to the most soulless org ever

[grave python]

Who would buy QAD bundle honestly

[young drift]

it would literally have the same colours than the T1 bundle

[grave python]

Fr

I mean why would you give partner to QAD when you can give it to some Fnatic or G2

[young drift]

or peps

[grave python]

Even Peps yeah

[sullen berry]

lowkey

PEPS and Gen.G Team skin colorways would be nearly identical

the only difference is perhaps the team logo and more emphasis on the PEPS

these team choices including DSG would make ass skins on paper, just like how S1 OWL Teams was littered with too many shades of blue and yellow

I hope they aren't relying on these teams to just have a good spray and call it a day, while we still do some minor reshading of light yellow.

[teal hare]

Not even the team liked the org

They where horrible to work with apparently

[mortal cipher]

I would just be another black and red with some yellow

It *

[cursive temple]

😢

[mortal cipher]

He hasn’t been on the roster since like before mid season madness

So the rumor is T1

[cursive temple]

dang ok

[edgy crown]

RIP Al Qadsiah

[cursive temple]

is al qadsiah really done

[teal hare]

Naw this isn’t a loss the org sucked not even the players liked the org

[grave python]

Yeah the roster is great but the org is not it

[edgy crown]

Celebratory RIP

[shy lagoon]

Send $500 billion of tax dollars to israel

Debt? What debt!

Wait wrong channel guys shh

[cosmic socket]

damn nvm

what was the point of announcing a roster update just to leave

[young drift]

Being bad at social media management

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/topdragon_ow/status/2006404897785393562?s=46

VARREL TOPDRAGON (@TOPDRAGON_OW)

明けましておめでとうございます.
軍隊を延期しました。 varrelともっと一緒にします！
新年のプレゼントを差し上げてみました 😄

X · Dec 31, 2025, 4:39 PM

top d delays military service

[hollow ember]

HAPPY NEW YEAR

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[pure bramble]

no Al Qad?

the world heals

assuming they split up

the competitive pool should get a lot deeper

[humble token]

Not sure if its a good thing

[young drift]

It is a net positive

Less unstable soulless orgs is a positive thing

[teal hare]

Only two left

Falcons and roc

[pure bramble]

great thing actually

imagine if Peps picks up some of those Al Qad players

[teal hare]

Peps is an eu only org

There purpose is literally to highlight eu and French talent

Most of aq wouodnt have a chance ending up there realistically

[sullen berry]

I have no idea even after translations if the Saudi community believes this is actually what was announced. Did they really just post a video saying "the end" and not get mad they've left one of their best performing games?

[wise orbit]

VISION ROSTER LEAK
Tank: Skytorr
Dps: Stalk3r, Brightside
Support: Shu, One

[torn portal]

???

[wise orbit]

ts team winning worlds

[soft crow]

@willow plinth You wanna play?

[teal hare]

There’s no way

Where’d the leaks come from and is there any way to confirm them

[humble token]

Bait

[cyan hazel]

This is NOT real there's no way freaking T1 didn't pick up Shu

[humble token]

Shu is joining zeta

[cyan hazel]

Yup uh huh definitely

And Finn is finding a team

[cyan hazel]

Saying this as if Checkmate is flexible lmao

Bro has 3 heroes

[humble token]

Mei sym tracer genji echo, prob there is more

[willow plinth]

Sorry I was lowk sleepin

[soft crow]

It’s fine

[soft crow]

When do you usually play so that I know when to ping you

[willow plinth]

I haven’t been able to play for the past couple of days

Cus of new years n stuff

But usually I’m able to play whenever

[soft crow]

How long do you play a day?

[willow plinth]

Usually 3-6 hours

[soft crow]

Bro thats too long

[willow plinth]

LMAOOOOO

I’m a chud

[soft crow]

You wear glasses?

[willow plinth]

Nah

[soft crow]

Your lucky I don’t play that too long but I wear one

Idk why

[willow plinth]

I usually get headaches when I’m done playin tho. LMAO

[glass sleet]

You get mad too often

[young drift]

they dont have the budget to

they still offer lower salaries than most teams even non partnered ones

and their goal for next year is to develop their current roster, since it's mostly young players they believe that they still have a lot of room to improve

[teal hare]

and also again peps are a team@meant to show off French and eu talent and Kellec and chase are the only members who could even attempt to join

[glass sleet]

Kellex said earlier he’ll retire of worlds

He said it in an interview during EWC

Ofc people can change their minds but at the least, kellex isn’t for sure sticking around

[teal hare]

True but I’m really just saying there was only two people who could even attempt to join peos from aq

[glass sleet]

Is kellex even considered that? I don’t think peps would ever drop FDGOD their French player for kellex

I don’t even think kellex has the chance to join them

[teal hare]

He’s European
That’s what I’m saying
There’s only two European options from aq
That could ever have any bit of a chance to join peps
There’s no way in hell they actually do
But still

[plush grail]

fdgod in the big 26

insane

[mortal cipher]

source or its bs

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[cosmic socket]

RIP

that's actually so bad for eu

kellex and fastro are the only good current european ms

actually admirals goated but hes prolly staying in na

[teal hare]

It’s actually bullshit

[young drift]

probably third best MS in EMEA, he is far from bad

[plush grail]

fdgod

more like feeder

[young drift]

we aint in 2021 anymore

[wise orbit]

its real i promise

[mortal cipher]

exactly

[weak frost]

there's like 7 MS players left on earth tbf

not a high bar

[mortal cipher]

in terms of Eu or Western MS

[main jolt]

I want to VOD review someone bronze to gold. dm replay code

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/daemin1004/status/2005166952474677317?s=46

Daemin_ow (@daemin1004)

I'll try to do well in 2026 with the existing and new players and Head coach Dongsu

X · Dec 28, 2025, 6:40 AM

daemin says new players to weibo

[sullen berry]

https://tenor.com/view/floreyonce-overwatch-ana-amari-gif-1063736728820464502

One of them is set to retire (its not guxue)

[mortal cipher]

i believe its Mmonk from the rumors

[wise orbit]

that sucks

mmonk is like their most consistent player

him or guxue

who could they even replace him with

farway retiring

probably have to import a korean like maka or something

[sullen berry]

This is likely to be the cause of the Chinese talent collapse

If there's literally no up and coming players from the region, and there really should be given the game's resurgence online last year

Then China as a region is no better than Pacific

[tawdry hamlet]

Its insane some of the ogs playing still are pushing 30

😭

[vestal spoke]

NO

NO

MMONK DONT DO THIS TO ME

NO 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

THE ONE COMPETENT SUPPORT ON WEIBO

DONT LEAVE ME MMONK

PLEASE 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

dear god please be mew

please dont let it be guxue shy leave mmonk apr1ta

let it be mew

[glass sleet]

Who’s that?

[cyan hazel]

I mean you can argue some of CC is pretty up and coming

[plush grail]

yes we are

i am stuck in 2021

[robust patio]

https://youtu.be/UbzbSd67sJE?si=r7TloF5wMnNX-l0X

lip sharing private scrims

bro bullying youbi with ashe

[sullen herald]

When will the professional competitions return?

[mortal cipher]

thats the rumor

[mortal cipher]

one of the three Shanghai Dragons Coaches outside of Moon so two of the Shanghai Dragons Coaches are going to Weibo Gaming to help

[glass sleet]

I wasn’t around for that team

[glass sleet]

They’ll have a boot camp in February

[sullen herald]

Thank you

[sullen berry]

who made this LOL

[mortal cipher]

Niceu

[glass sleet]

Random ahh montage glazing lip

[weary scarab]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1161266611920060577/1456701295850422293/image.png?ex=6959524d&is=695800cd&hm=90f0835d2a326c5e604373e35f8cf61435fd5fd9c8711566fa8b7ef519121b00&

tm beat cr on hog

[reef seal]

are any of them trying in those scrims tho like i don't think they mean anything

[glass sleet]

Didn’t seicoe leave

Are these scrims before world finals?

[glass sleet]

One team looks like they’re on their most famous comp and the other is on…hog. You tell me

[weary scarab]

yeah

[reef seal]

yeah who cares about scrims it doesn't mean anything usually

its just practice

[glass sleet]

Exactly

Tm practiced hog to shit on them on dva

[reef seal]

[glass sleet]

🦤

[humble token]

How do u find scrim gameplay

[weary scarab]

no idea. seicoe just pulled up a replay from his own game reports on stream

he said they 6:0 falcons in scrims too

[cosmic socket]

since when does seicoe stream?

[weary scarab]

he streamed 2 times after owcs https://www.twitch.tv/seicoe/videos

he dont stream normally

[lunar zenith]

Pge is the goat at vendetta

[unkempt hemlock]

Whats kajors deal man

[teal hare]

You gotta be more specific

[wise orbit]

https://x.com/khantakes/status/2007501585736454544

Khan🔭🦔 (Team Peps enjoyer) (@khantakes)

M58 (upper)

X · Jan 3, 2026, 5:17 PM

what do u guys think

[teal hare]

This is very very meta dependant

Like
Ziyads an insanely good brawl tank player and dva
And junbin (unless I’m forgetting) just plays different heroes then ziyad generally

[wise orbit]

yes ziyad was insane at ewc and stockholm but junbin actually won a major this year, been more consistent throughout the year (imo) and has been elite on more characters than ziyad who's been relying mostly on dva

i think junbin takes it but its close

[wise orbit]

he plays more tanks most importantly

if we're comparing them

[teal hare]

It is
Overall junbin but like if ziyad can play a preferred hero it’s neck and neck

[teal hare]

True but ziyad might be better on the tanks he likes then junbin is on those tanks

[wise orbit]

he's obviously better on dva yes

[teal hare]

Mhm
Ziyad might be the best dva outside of tvnt maybe (I could be talkin out of my ass here)

[wise orbit]

is tvnt in the convo i didnt even know that

he was showing up at stockholm but idk more than that

i would think its between ziyad and hanbin right

[teal hare]

I mean tvnt is REALLY good and has gotten praise from the Korean players alongside ziyad

They put him at an equal level
I’d say the best 4 tanks currently would be tvnt ziyad hanbin junbin

I wanna throw an NA tank in there but I’m just coping

We did not do shit this year so I can’t really put any of us up that high

[wise orbit]

anyway yea i think jb takes this one due to actually winning a major and being the more flexible player though i think ziyad had a higher peak this year

[wise orbit]

its weird hawk wasnt doing more this year considering how strong dva got

i think infekted's been underperforming his expectations and cuffa is like good but obv not at the lvl of jb, ziyad or hanbin

or well i should say last year lul

[teal hare]

Hawk and infekted SHOULD be better
Infekted and cuffa are inn metas they aren’t good at though

Hawk has no excuse imo

[wise orbit]

yea

[prime wagon]

Hello, my name is Aaron (my username is Epix) and I'm French. I recently created an esports team with some friends. We started playing Rocket League and Fortnite.

We loved the experience and are now looking for another game to try. While researching, we found Overwatch, and I watched a bit of the World Championship. It turns out I'd already played Overwatch... but I was terrible :/ However, I really enjoyed the esports aspect.

That's why I'm looking for 5 players (for free) to create a team and play in competitions and matches against other teams. I'm also looking for commentators who speak French and know more about Overwatch 2 than I do 😂.

If this project interests you, feel free to DM me.

(P.S.: We're looking for players in Europe, and if we develop well, we could create teams on another continent!)

Hoping for replies, Happy New Year 2026, and goodbye!

[summer canopy]

does the Jingle gifts skip through the Battlepass titles?

[cosmic socket]

junbin

ziyads probably the best dva in the world rn but none of his other tanks are very special

just been lucky with meta

[robust patio]

yes hes only meta tank

[glass sleet]

Ziyad got second place twice while Junbin sure, he won a major playing monkey in monkey meta but he also got 8th and 3rd the other rejoins. Just playing devil’s advocate

Outside of his two tricks (monkey and ball) he looks very mediocre

[grave python]

Ziyad is a very great player imo

[glass sleet]

He needs to work on his other heroes but they’re not even bad. He’s been playing for one season tho so hopefully he only gets better from on out

[grave python]

Yeah he might still need to work on his Zarya and Ram

[echo aurora]

.

[pure bramble]

fym

his Orisa is impressive

he got 2nd 2024 worlds playing Mauga

[teal hare]

Junbins falcons tank right
The team that would rather play brawl on orisa or Mauga over dive fairly often
If they can force those two they’re definitely happy

[pure bramble]

Junbin is a Crazy Raccoons tank

oh no wait

he got 2nd

at worlds

[teal hare]

Oh if he’s crs tank then he doesn’t wanna he forcing Brawl
Cr wins dive falcons win brawl (except dva)

[pure bramble]

even in the Mauga mirror

Junbin looks great

[teal hare]

They’re still just
Worse at brawl especially Mauga brawl then falcons are
Probably better then most teams at it but falcons where using Mauga when nobody else was at times

[pure bramble]

Falcons also have Someone now

and he’s honestly really good at Ram

[pure bramble]

how is this real 😭

ziyad glaze is insane

how did Bernar make it further than Junbin 😭

[woeful cipher]

They are a bit bad at the rush comps

Lollll

[young drift]

We glazing otps in big 26

How the f does Ziyad win tank of the year

[spark terrace]

Infekted need to come back to Ntmr, his name on the jersey looks so good I NEED IT

[grave python]

I think he’s fine with Liquid

[spark terrace]

anywhere he goes NA still chokes on LAN, might as well feed the people some good merch

[thorny gazelle]

probably because he was a nobody before this year and now hes like a top 5 tank

[young drift]

Yeah but still not the best

[cosmic socket]

recency bias

[errant karma]

yeah fuck that guy

[weary scarab]

who deserves it over him

[young drift]

Idk hanbin or junbin

Maybe even someone

[weary scarab]

how does junbin deserve tank of the year. placed top 8th in esports world cup. placed top 3 owcs finals

[young drift]

Won Hangzhou?

[weary scarab]

not exactly the tank of the year performance

[young drift]

Won 2 stages in Korea ?

[weary scarab]

if you win one lan and dont make grand finals in a lan

for the next 9 months

[errant karma]

junbin wins off aura

[young drift]

Better than Ziyad with 0 lan wins

[weary scarab]

made 2 grand finals

more consistant

[young drift]

Yeah still 0 lan wins x)

And AQ were globally irrelevant in stage 1 so I wouldn't call it consistency

Consistently being 2nd isn't an achievement

And well winning two stages in Korea in a row is still consistent

I meant three sorry

They won all three

[weary scarab]

regional championships isnt relevant talking about tank of the year

[young drift]

??

How so

It's still a part of it

[glass sleet]

For someone who just started OWCS THIS year, getting 2nd twice is great.

He has potential

[weary scarab]

if you win regional championships but place 8th in lans theres something of

the only contenders to win tank of the year is hanbin, ziyad, tvnt imo

[young drift]

Than give him rookie of the year not tank mvp

Tank MVP isn't about potential

[glass sleet]

Ok

[young drift]

TVNT, the recency bias is crazy

TVNT played one stage

Half a stage

[weary scarab]

not recency bias at all. 2 consitant lans out of 3

[young drift]

1.5 stages

[weary scarab]

2 stages

[young drift]

He didn't play at the EWC

Ksaa did

[glass sleet]

I guess you could say achieving so much in such little time is impressive

Winning worlds in half a stage? Now that’s aura

[young drift]

Not enough time to properly judge the level of the player tho

[glass sleet]

Bro really said “my turn” and hops off the bench to win it all

[young drift]

Could be up to the meta or just the team clicking

[glass sleet]

Sheeeah

[young drift]

It's 2025 MVP not 1/3 of 2025 MVP

[weary scarab]

why would someone placing 8th and 3rd in lands deserve tank of the year

its not a tank of the year performance at all

[young drift]

Winning one lan

Winning 3 regional champs

8th 3rd and 1st is better than 8th 2nd and 2nd

[weary scarab]

regional champs dont matter when u place 8th in a lan

[glass sleet]

Alqad got 8th in China?

[weary scarab]

ziyad didnt play much at all stage 1

he played like 1 map in the lan

[young drift]

It still matters it's OWCS 2025 tank MVP not OWCS 2025 lans Tank MVP

[weary scarab]

and 1 match in stage 1

[young drift]

Yeah so he played 2/3 of the year

Was benched for the first third

[weary scarab]

yup and was the most consistant on the 2 stages he played

[young drift]

How is that tank MVP level

[glass sleet]

Alqad got 2nd, 1st, 2nd in emea and then 2nd twice in majors

[weary scarab]

because he didnt get a chance to prove himself

[young drift]

I get it, you're biased, no point in arguing futher

[weary scarab]

he legit wasnt edligble to play last year because he was too young

[glass sleet]

Cuz it’s based on individual performances duh

[young drift]

He did, he was the starter tank in the EMEA playoffs before being benched for Tred at lan

[glass sleet]

The irony is wild

[young drift]

Well the picture is even worse here for him

[weary scarab]

not at all. tred was the starter player whole stage

[young drift]

He only proved to be top level at Dva

[glass sleet]

It ain’t.

[weary scarab]

came second stage 1 on heavy mauga meta

when he played mauga

[young drift]

Go back and watch emea stage 1 playoffs, Ziyad was the starter

[young drift]

And wasn't the best in his region at all, Vestola was better at Mauga

Not tank MVP level no matter what you say

[glass sleet]

That’s not true. His other heroes are decent but his dva is SO GOOD THAT HE CARRIES ON HER. You start seeing his other heroes looking bad cuz you’re just that impressed with his dva

[young drift]

Rookie of the year ? Sure 100%

Not MVP.

[young drift]

Decent

[weary scarab]

tred statistically played more matches stage 1 then ziyad

[glass sleet]

Also Junbin on ram is dogshit. Y’all saw him feed on ram immediately and then swap to ball right? Is bro a otp?

[young drift]

You can't be an MVP with one great character and a decent bunch of other characters

[glass sleet]

Is bro chazm?

[weary scarab]

we talking about junbin?

[young drift]

Played Rein, Ball, Winston also

[glass sleet]

I totally agree. That’s why Junbin doesn’t deserve it.

[young drift]

Each at top tier level

[glass sleet]

Couldn’t have said it better myself

[weary scarab]

junbin is good on ball winston

thats it

[young drift]

???

He won Korea stage 3 on Reinhardt

[glass sleet]

Someone also played rein. Should we give it to him now?

[young drift]

He won Hangzhou on Monkey

[weary scarab]

and ziyad played, ram diva, sigma, orisa, mauga

clearly a fallacy there mate

whos the biased one

[young drift]

That's just bad faith lmao I'm talking about flexibility, his ability to play Reinhardt isn't why he deserves tank MVP lmao read the words

[glass sleet]

I don’t have a pick btw. I can’t decide who’s tank of the year and don’t care but some people here are hella biased

[weary scarab]

your trying to say that ziyad is an otp while coping about how junbin is not a 2 trick

when ziyad plays more tanks

[glass sleet]

And isn’t someone known to be the flexible tank? Sorry but Junbin isn’t flexible.

[young drift]

His ram was a liability for his team at EWC especially against Falcons, his Orisa and Sigma were nothing to write home about, his Mauga wasn't the best in EMEA and him wanting to stick to DVA probably cost AQ the world finals

[glass sleet]

He has his couple heroes he constantly plays

[young drift]

Well if you go back and read what I said my list was "Hanbin, Junbin, Someone"

[glass sleet]

Hanbin deserves it since he won the most

[young drift]

Now for the love of god read what people say before engaging in conversations

[weary scarab]

hanbin is the only valid one

[glass sleet]

Hanbin is just the goat

[errant karma]

junbin wins off aura

[young drift]

I'm done here, it's gonna go nowhere

[weary scarab]

https://youtu.be/wDYNVH0U3cs?si=7obwd6IEP9PiWgG4

[glass sleet]

Ever noticed how ever since mauga meta last year, Junbin would go monkey/ball 99% of his games for the whole time on CR? No matter the meta, he would be on those two heroes for 99% of the time so I can’t say he’s any more flexible

[errant karma]

wins off aura]

junbin mvp

[glass sleet]

[young drift]

Watch some competitive matches once in a while please.

[glass sleet]

Oh buddy. Now you’re just trying to spread false information

[young drift]

I'm done arguing in pure post-truth

[glass sleet]

I see that you’re actually just a Junbin glazer and would go above and beyond to control the narrative. You should be on Fox News. You have a future

[young drift]

Never said Junbin was MVP for sure but okay stay in your little bubble

[grave python]

Ziyad better

[glass sleet]

If you don’t understand the reference than you’re the problem

[young drift]

My argument is only about Ziyad not being tank MVP

[glass sleet]

YOU DID

Lol

[young drift]

I didn't

[glass sleet]

Controlling the narrative AGAIN

[young drift]

I merely said that 3 people deserve it more than Ziyad

[weary scarab]

junbins flexibility also cost them the loss against tm in the ewc. got full capped on colloseo because he otps winston and loses on blizzard world because he tries to force ball

[young drift]

Here

What more do you need ?

Am I the one controlling the narrative

Or are you just not able to read?

[glass sleet]

When emea can’t play monkey, they get called dva merchants but when Koreans can’t play ram, they don’t get called monkey merchants, they just say the meta is not fair and cry about it

[glass sleet]

You actually went back and edited it? You’re actually wild for that lol

🦤

[young drift]

LOL

Now I don't know if you're trolling

Probably are

[glass sleet]

Being able to look amazing on dva against lip proper leave shy Guxue chorong chiyo shu is more impressive to win against kellex MCD Vega and bunch of dps otps. That’s why ziyad is tank of the year and not Junbin

[errant karma]

someone is a plumber ziyad clears that in his sleep

[glass sleet]

Now move on buddy and stop riding

[grave python]

Ziyad winning tank of the year doesn't surprise me at all

[glass sleet]

Sorry misspoke, being called THE BEST DVA against those players is why he’s the best

Bro thinks it’s impressive to beat on NA and emea OTPS

biased as heeeeeell

[glass sleet]

This is random but Valorant’s off season is like half a year god damn

I brought it up cuz I’m tired of off season

GOD DAMN

it’s like 5 months!

[grave python]

There was champions in october right ?

[glass sleet]

It’s from September to February

[glass sleet]

VCT ends in October/ September and starts in January/ February

So around 5 months

[grave python]

Ah yeah

Btw I like that champions have 16 teams

[glass sleet]

You know

[grave python]

I hope OWCS world finals will have 16 teams in 2026

[glass sleet]

Isn’t VCT like OWL? It’s the same system?

[torn portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1086803348042301520/1457712791577165909/IMG_9215.png?ex=695d0054&is=695baed4&hm=2b238402e06228acaeb1b7afadcbb93b4db3ebb970e1466a8727621fc7aac431&

[grave python]

I don't know very much about how VCT works I only checked the champions format

[glass sleet]

Bro gave up on t1 for zeta? He really only plays for Japanese orgs I guess

[torn portal]

We don’t know

T1 shu is still my favorite outcome

[glass sleet]

I think you buy into VCT. And then it gets run like owl. And ascension teams (contenders) basically can win and qualify for VCT that year

[glass sleet]

Tbh that’s the only one that makes sense to me. He LOVES playing Ana doesn’t he? He’ll get that if he goes to t1 he’ll have donghak on ball instead of Junbin. I guess he would also get that with mealgaru if zeta pick up wae but like cmon. Which roster makes more sense to you

[torn portal]

whatever one give me more money

[grave python]

Ah idk

[glass sleet]

Right…

[grave python]

The prize pool of champions doesn't surprise me with all the sponsors they got

Why doesn't OWCS have Esports World Cup as sponsor actually

[errant karma]

because esports world cup would rather just host their own shit

[grave python]

I mean

VCT has literally EWC as sponsor

[errant karma]

that makes literally 0 sense why is ewc doing that

whatever

idk

[grave python]

Same for League world championship btw

[glass sleet]

Because ow players are not big fans of EWC unlike Valorant players

I think

[glass sleet]

Yeah when you’re watching VCT. One of their sponsors is esports World Cup

I thought it was odd too

[glass sleet]

They also have their champions skins and half of that goes to the teams.

[grave python]

Yeah but EWC are big fans of OW

[glass sleet]

Huh

[grave python]

Teams play with their skins ?

[glass sleet]

It has 22 games

[glass sleet]

There’s a bundle that comes out every year and it’s called champions bundle I believe. It’s skins for specific guns made for VCT. Half the money from that bundle goes to teams

[grave python]

Ah I see

[glass sleet]

I believe last year the bundle made 30 million

Valorant players are freaking WHALES

[grave python]

They have more partner teams as well

[glass sleet]

VCT teams don’t have team skins for characters. They have org skins for “classic” it’s the base gun that every has for free

[glass sleet]

Much more yeah

Orgs make way more money in Valorant cuz it’s a serious competitive game unlike ow that’s more casual AND ow also fuked it’s own esports with bad management

[grave python]

Yeah they have more

[errant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/vct-lock-in-knife-showcase-valorant-new-vct-lock-in-knife-skin-weapon-showcase-play-valorant-gif-9968934621306029498

[glass sleet]

Where’s geng and t1? Those are the teams I cheer for in any game with falcons and tm

[errant karma]

now who the fuck is edward and why did he name an org after himself

[grave python]

It's more casual but it's still very competitive and OWCS needs more time to grow

[grave python]

I didn't show Pacific teams mb

[errant karma]

like what is this

[glass sleet]

It’s nowhere near Valorant tho

[grave python]

I don't even know

[glass sleet]

Chinese org and they won VCT last year

[errant karma]

ur trolling

edward won the whole thing

[glass sleet]

Every partnered org has a skin for this gun

[grave python]

They won actually yeah

[glass sleet]

Those are the old skins tho. They have new ones for this year

[grave python]

Not bad at all

[glass sleet]

They won last year and NRG won the latest VCT

[grave python]

Speaking of bundles

[glass sleet]

It’s a bundle. You get a banner charm skin for 23$ 😭

[grave python]

I hope Blizzard will make better bundles for partner teams

[errant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/tung-tung-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-sahur-tung-tung-tung-sahur-brainrot-baseball-gif-13999381090646842001

[glass sleet]

Also Valorant videos for their esports promotional go hard

Like

https://youtu.be/cLx3tyzht3Y?si=r3vqnV_t5FK8IefW

Watch this shit

You can’t watch it and not get hyped for champions

Also pay attention to the classic that gets used

[glass sleet]

New ones look way better imo

[grave python]

This is very clean

[glass sleet]

Valorant exports gets taken way more seriously

[grave python]

Yeah I was going to say it lmao

Riot are more based for esports than Blizzard

[glass sleet]

And the inspect animation for the guns show you how many trophies they’ve won

You saw how many teams Valorant has. That’s why it was sad for me to watch ow partnered orgs leave

Geng leaving 😭

[grave python]

Yeah I get why Valorant is way more popular

[grave python]

They shouldn't have gone to EMEA imo

[glass sleet]

The whole drama that happened with owl ruined ow esports. Valorant didn’t have that so they kept growing

[grave python]

Like why didn't they just compete in Korea

[glass sleet]

And also their streamers co stream the games and they’re into it

[glass sleet]

You’d look at falcons raccoon zeta and think “yeah imma do well here”?

[grave python]

I agree but I honestly think OW esports will keep growing and we'll have so many orgs in 5 years

[glass sleet]

They have an HQ in Riyadh so they thought they’d just play in emea

[grave python]

True actually

[glass sleet]

The game would be 14 years old. Idk if it’ll be around then

[glass sleet]

They just got very unlucky imo.

They could’ve gotten a better roster after world

And them not qualifying cuz of WiFi is so upsetting

[grave python]

Doesn't matter that much nah ?

[glass sleet]

Idk. Only games I know that have been going for that long strong are mmo games

[grave python]

I hated this match

Fucking horrible

[glass sleet]

Same. They finally had a chance and their carry can’t play

Geng lost too much to stick around I guess

It’s sad

[grave python]

Peps wouldn't have qualified if Xzo didn't have WiFi problem

[glass sleet]

I believe so

Geng would’ve done better in Stockholm too

[grave python]

And they'd have more chance to beat SSG

[glass sleet]

They have backbone and it was sym meta

[grave python]

This

[glass sleet]

I think they would’ve won convincingly

[grave python]

Idk if they'd beat CR or Falcons

[glass sleet]

Twisted minds would’ve still won

[grave python]

Maybe Falcons considering they were close to lose against Varrel

[glass sleet]

Geng just would’ve had a much better run

[cosmic socket]

ehh

[glass sleet]

And with alqad leaving

[cosmic socket]

i don't see geng going far at worlds

[grave python]

VP and Gen.G would have yeah fr

[glass sleet]

Geng could’ve gotten Landon and checkmate along with xzodyal

[grave python]

More than Peps

[cosmic socket]

who did peps play after ssg

[glass sleet]

They have backbone in a sym meta….I think they would’ve done well

[grave python]

Liquid

[cosmic socket]

geng doesn't beat liquid

[glass sleet]

geng beats liquid imo

[grave python]

They could have honestly

[glass sleet]

Na teams were so bad

Ssg only beat peps

[grave python]

It's just that Peps qualified in the weirdest way

[glass sleet]

Yeah

[grave python]

And they aren't that great

[glass sleet]

Geng left when they could’ve signed the second best team in emea

The timing is just always against them

[cosmic socket]

backbone is washed

[glass sleet]

No disrespect to peps but emea basically only has two partnered orgs and that’s not good

[cosmic socket]

gengs sym comp looked super sloppy all throughout the regular season

[glass sleet]

We needed geng

[cosmic socket]

even when they cleaned up in the end

[thorny gazelle]

Would still be better than non sym teams around their level

[glass sleet]

It was a new team so it took them time but it was very clear that they were getting better. Beating VP, going map 5 with TM and having a good showing against alqad early on.

[grave python]

Considering NA and Asia has 4 partnered orgs, it definitely would have been better if EMEA had 4

[glass sleet]

They kept improving

[glass sleet]

Peps has no money to invest so like why even be a partnered org? Sell skin and make money I guess?

Enough to invest more?

Idk

[grave python]

I wish we had at least one big name in EMEA

[glass sleet]

Like GENG

😭

Fun fact

Team liquid is 25 years old

[cosmic socket]

geng should be able to legally kill crusty

[grave python]

I actually wonder if Peps was the only team that applied for the program

[glass sleet]

You need more orgs to grow the scene

[grave python]

Cause I don't think they would've picked Peps if G2 applied

[glass sleet]

If it’s just peps than it’s cooked

[cosmic socket]

honestly vision should've gotten partner

[glass sleet]

It’s not all his fault. Crispy spoke about how the players sometimes would swap to heroes we don’t like and blame it on coach

[glass sleet]

Small Saudi org, people would hate it too much to support it

Non Saudis I mean

You’d think alqad would be a partnered org after this great year

[cosmic socket]

i'm guessing they're gonna be good this year because of alqad leaving and they probably have the most money behind twisted and vp

[glass sleet]

But no

[grave python]

I don't even believe that QAD applied

[grave python]

Yeah I would have picked Fnatic by very very far

[glass sleet]

Actually tm doesn’t have the “oil money” people love to talk about. It’s a private company and tm player talked about their salaries being similar to other orgs

[glass sleet]

They came and left last year

The biggest problem with ow rn imo is there are not enough talent going around. In Valorant you have SO MANY TEAMS with KNOWN players

Like emea third partnered org can’t even have a roster of great players

It’s a bunch of nobodies basically

Mid players no disrespect

[grave python]

Yeah I remember they had a roster for EWC and they played in Korea stage 2

[cosmic socket]

imo it's the money

[glass sleet]

They had donghak, checkmate, izayaki, ljg and Fnatic still left

[cosmic socket]

like the salaries in ow compared to val is genuinely pathetic

[glass sleet]

That’s cuz the sponsors and support aren’t near what Valorant gets

[cosmic socket]

most orgs pay what t2 orgs pay in val

[glass sleet]

The salaries are low because of there not being investment

You want higher salaries? Support the scene better

I’m talking about blizzard

[cosmic socket]

because owl made ow esports look like a bad investment

[grave python]

I understand but I believe there will be more talents in the coming years

[glass sleet]

Put in the same amount of effort riot does

[glass sleet]

Owl is basically VCT but riot ran their shit with brains and blizz ran owl with their asses

Blizz’s greed is what brought down owl

[leaden fog]

lets not act like vct and owl are similar

[cosmic socket]

would you be surprised that the franchising model was bobby koticks idea

[glass sleet]

No shit Sherlock

[leaden fog]

owl was a LAN season style thing

covid hurt owl way harder than valorant

[glass sleet]

VCT would burn if he was their CEO

[glass sleet]

So is VCT

Every region plays on lan every weekend

[leaden fog]

ok was it happening before covid?

and during covid

[glass sleet]

Valorant came out in 2020

Covid was still a thing

Massively

[leaden fog]

and so their esport was designed during covid

[cosmic socket]

and ofc they tried the homestand thing right during covid

[leaden fog]

unlike ow's format

see how these things are different

[glass sleet]

By having in person lan games every weekend?

Mate

[leaden fog]

its not just "bobby bad" "riot good"

but enjoy doomposting to the only 3 people in this discord channel lol

[glass sleet]

Weirdo

Ngl

Bro thinks he ate but realized he be sounding stupid and dipped

You dipping is the smarted thing you did to save face

But whatever…I guess I can’t chat with 3 people cuz it’s not enough huh

[cosmic socket]

of all people we riding bobby kotick 💀

[glass sleet]

This topic only gets unlocked when there are 10 or more people available I guess

[grave python]

I don't know much about VCT so I can't say if OWL and VCT are similar

[glass sleet]

Bro has a cult so not really surprising he be riding that

[cosmic socket]

he does?

i thought he was universally hated

[glass sleet]

They’re similar in that they’re both closed circuit with t2 and teams pay to join

Just like how teams paid 10 million to be part of owl

[glass sleet]

No I meant the dumbass has a cult

The guy that said dumb things and left

Anyway gtg. Take care y’all

[cosmic socket]

driest offseason ever?

[wise orbit]

someone leak the rosters

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/spacestation/status/2008294864002454012?s=46

Spacestation Gaming (@Spacestation)

X · Jan 5, 2026, 9:49 PM

this kinda confirms ssg is gonna be the superteam cap was talking about

my ideal ssg roster would be hawk lenny lethal uv lukemino

[pure bramble]

that’s why he’s the goat

[torn portal]

This is deadly

Maybe pick up rhyno if possible

[cosmic socket]

just imagine what uv could do on wuyang if he didn't have to play wu lucio

[viscid hatch]

Why lukemino

[cosmic socket]

cuz he's a competent ms and fs which would allow them to run wu kiri with uv on wuyang

[sullen berry]

You really need to look deep into japanese ow for any substantial changes. Asia has a regular season to qualify for rn while idk what China is up to unless my people tell me

https://x.com/i/status/2007738777276670412

Arise Project (@arise_pj)

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X · Jan 4, 2026, 9:00 AM

And what Korean teams are going drop more than 2 players besides ZETA DIVISION moving regions?

[spark terrace]

Give this mf some koreans please!!!

[static pond]

So

Shu to zeta?

[wise orbit]

zeta or t1 most likely

i think the zeta rumour came from some abdullah guy on twitter who’s had a patchy record with leaks

[mental vine]

Team Falcons gives me Florida Mayhem majority mixed with Dallas Fuel vibes LOL OWL OW2 first and second winners + just Proper LMFAO (These are rumors)

but im watching on T1 if that 2026 roster is true

[robust patio]

for a sec

i thought this was real

[tired epoch]

I thought the same thing.

[plush patio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/814126612366753834/1444007326838423736/fade.webp

[royal bolt]

hey guys im looking for a mercy player, rank is gm or master doesn’t matter (and she can pocket me as a tank)

[teal hare]

This is not the chat for that
Especially not for a tank pocketing mercy

[wise orbit]

why would you ask for a duo in the esports discussion channel out of all the channels u could ask in lol

[teal hare]

Especially for again
A tank pocketing mercy in masters or Gm

[glass sleet]

Patching those leaks up? Lol

[wise orbit]

xd

[cosmic socket]

id love to see bernar on a good team but i feel like shu to t1 is wayy more likely

[mental vine]

these are rumred btw xD

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/spacestation/status/2008659529509339631?s=46

Spacestation Gaming (@Spacestation)

X · Jan 6, 2026, 9:58 PM

[marble oasis]

Scouting for players.
Im the manager of Vulpine esports overwatch.
we are a house hold name in the UK esports scene.
We are getting back into the Overwatch field and are looking for players. If you are plat or above please either respond this or Msg me Priv.
I look forward to meeting any of you.

https://vlpesports.org/ -Website

https://x.com/VulpineEsports - X

https://www.instagram.com/vulpine_esports/ -Instagram

My socials -https://x.com/TomSp00da- x

Discord - Sp00da

Vulpine Esports (@VulpineEsports) on X

Competing in League of Legends & R6 | Est. 2020 | #WeAreVulpine | business: [e-mail]

X

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/t1_official_gg/status/2008778122280280529?s=46

T1 Official (@T1_official_gg)

𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐯𝐢𝐩𝐞𝐫

T1 Overwatch 2팀의 'viper' 이정웅 선수와의 계약이 종료되었습니다.
T1과 동행해 준 'viper' 이정웅 선수에게 감사드리며, 새로운 여정을 T1도 진심으로 응원하겠습니다.

Today, we part ways with 'viper'.
We thank ‘viper’ for his time with T...

X · Jan 7, 2026, 5:50 AM

https://x.com/t1_official_gg/status/2008775605576175918?s=46

T1 Official (@T1_official_gg)

𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐯𝐢𝐠𝐢𝐥𝐚𝐧𝐭𝐞

T1 Overwatch 2팀의 'vigilante' 김준 선수와의 계약이 종료되었습니다.
함께한 모든 순간에 감사드리며, 'vigilante' 김준 선수가 펼쳐 나갈 미래를 T1도 응원하겠습니다.

Today, we part ways with 'vigilante'.
We are grateful for ev...

X · Jan 7, 2026, 5:40 AM

[robust patio]

damn

[glass sleet]

Dropping viper to pick up stalker

[torn portal]

i hope zeta rumors aren’t true, i would be so happy to see skewed shu again

[weary scarab]

vigi tm

[mortal cipher]

I think it’s CR for Shu

I think it’s either triangle of Vigi Finn and Shu

[mortal cipher]

Honestly makes sense

He’s good, but rarely got play time plus it’s stalker ofc you’d take him over viper

[torn portal]

really?

i haven’t heard one rumor of shu going cr

returning

[mortal cipher]

No vigi for shu

Like a trade

T1 gets shu and Cr gets vigi

[torn portal]

oh

yeah that’s the big rumor

[cosmic socket]

my guess is vigi to cr shu to t1 and finn laden back to zeta

dropping shu is still a really confusing move

were they having internal issues with him or something

[mortal cipher]

Well I think it was shus choice

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[mortal cipher]

I mean he has never stayed on the same roster twice