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[weary scarab]

https://x.com/seicoeOW/status/2000612709503545428?s=20

seicoe (@seicoeOW)

No longer with Twisted Minds. Wasn't my decision. I truly truly gave it my all this year - from filling on support and winning SEL, to becoming coach in EWC, to winning stage 3 EMEA OWCS on DPS and then going back to coach AND also playing OWCS Stockholm. It's a year to be proud

X · Dec 15, 2025, 5:03 PM

[grave python]

Did TM kicked Seicoe ?

[weary scarab]

i think contract ended

and they wanna get someone else

hes gonna explain it in like 10 min when he streams

[grave python]

I see

[glass sleet]

I mean seicoe just said it’s not his decision. This is a weird decision imo. Are they gonna bring in a Korean import for dps or they think youbi should just stay in

[cyan hazel]

Yeah I think youbi isn't really good enough on most fdps to justify getting rid of sei

What happens when echo is meta?

[glass sleet]

So he said Quartz is the best main dps rn but he thinks he would’ve been better if he practiced soj before the tournament. He also said his sym is better than checkmate and youbi’s? So proper saying he’s better than emea on sym is interesting

[glass sleet]

I think it’s interesting how fdps in emea and na are split into two groups. Fdps that only play cheese heroes like sym and Mei and fdps that only play genji echo or tracer. Unless you’re proper, or stalker, you can’t play all of those at a high level

[glass sleet]

I think tm gonna do their usual fuking up start of year than locking in later

[cyan hazel]

Heesang

[glass sleet]

I think since Dallas fuel is back, they’ll bring their owl skins back

[cyan hazel]

Heesang is the better echo, venture, tracer, and mei

[glass sleet]

Like I said, proper and stalker

[glass sleet]

No he’s not…

[glacial parrot]

Okey okey

[glass sleet]

Stalker is better

[cyan hazel]

You have to, at minimum, accept he's the best echo and venture in the league

[glass sleet]

Stalker literally shoved heesang in a locker on echo

[cyan hazel]

On one game bruh

[glass sleet]

I absolutely don’t have to accept such lies

[cyan hazel]

Even if you don't, heesang absolutely can play all of those characters

[glass sleet]

Wdym?? Stalker rolled everyone in Stockholm

[cyan hazel]

You can't deny that

[glass sleet]

So now we went from better to can play?

[cyan hazel]

Last year, yeah

[glass sleet]

Are you serious bro

[cyan hazel]

You were initially arguing that stalker and Proper were the only two that could play all of those characters

[cyan hazel]

? Stalker hasn't played in Stockholm since 2024

[glass sleet]

Yeah no one is flexible at their level

[cyan hazel]

In terms of fdps, heesang absolutely is

[glass sleet]

He’s not even in the same tier as those two

[cyan hazel]

I'll acquiesce that proper and Stalk3r can both play Hitscan unlike heesang but heesang can play every fdps at the same level or a higher level than those two

[glass sleet]

That’s not true

[cyan hazel]

Even if you think this, he's still just as flexible

[glass sleet]

That’s 100% not true.

He’s definitely not as flexible

You’re wilding for this ngl

[cyan hazel]

How is he not as flexible

You've yet to point to a single hero that heesang can't play

Like, sure, you can argue that proper and stalker are better, but in terms of fdps, all 3 of their hero pools include every fdps except symm

[errant karma]

not even close

[cyan hazel]

Flexibility

As an fdps

Not skill

[errant karma]

yeah i know

but you have to take into account

[cyan hazel]

We're not bringing Hitscan into this

[errant karma]

it doesnt matter if heesang can play 20 characters if he sucks dick at half of them

skill does immediately play a part in how flexible you are because you actually can play those characters at the highest level

[cyan hazel]

Who??? He's got a fantastic pharah, echo, venture, genji, tracer, and mei

The only fdps he can't play is Symm but no one in Korea really can

[cyan hazel]

Like genuinely what fdps is he bad at

[errant karma]

also why are we not including hitscan

if talking about flexibility

[cyan hazel]

Because we're talking about the fdps hero pool oml

[cyan hazel]

.

I can maybe maybe see the argument that heesang mei isn't common enough to be judged in value, but you could argue the same of stalk3r

Still no counterexamples

[sullen berry]

Surprisingly easy to fill out, pick 4 tanks, 8 dps and 8 support to make a 20 player draft

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X · Dec 15, 2025, 8:46 AM

[teal hare]

Topdragon being the second highest is a lil wild imo

[static pond]

Is guma okay? lol https://x.com/t1brasil_/status/2000356689154088975?s=46

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X · Dec 15, 2025, 12:06 AM

[static pond]

Heesang can play hitscan they just perfer lip on it
lol

[mortal cipher]

Losing in a 23-1 probably feels bad

Game 5

[static pond]

https://x.com/sheep_esports/status/2000591140064526589?s=46

Sheep Esports (@Sheep_Esports)

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it will be an interview format

via News1 Korea

X · Dec 15, 2025, 3:37 PM

[errant karma]

NO ITS NOT HES THE GOAT

TOP DRAGON #1

TOP DRAGON #1

[mortal cipher]

I got the notification of this

[errant karma]

why is nico above topdragon

[static pond]

If kr expend esports they should make a csgo teams

[mortal cipher]

Maybe

[errant karma]

korea is not doing anything in cs

the balkans and sweden have had too much time

[static pond]

Idk how there gonna
Beat Team Vitality

They just won a other major lol

[mortal cipher]

Depends if they even have anyone

[errant karma]

idk how they gonna beat like m80 dude korea isnt doing shit in cs

[static pond]

8 trophies and like 2 majors

[errant karma]

maybe in 5-10 years

[static pond]

I think

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[static pond]

Lots of
Kr played csgo early stages

But csgo Ist big in kr

[errant karma]

like korea is good at moba style games

are there even many top korean players in valorant

[static pond]

Tbf other regions had a head start since some csgo players just jump to Valorant

[errant karma]

all the shit ones lolol

[static pond]

Fr

[errant karma]

top valo player rn was a tier 3 cs player who didnt even win consistently

[static pond]

But that was early Valorant

Idk if they still good

[errant karma]

tenz switched to cs and this guy struggling in faceit

[static pond]

Like rivals picks up wash ow players or just bad ones

[static pond]

Damn lol I heard call of duty players tried it but gave up lol

[errant karma]

cod players would be better off in like apex tbh

hopefully new game from apex team is good

it looks like concord x deadlocked though

[static pond]

Ye ngl csgo scares me lmao I just watch the esports not play it I seen how close they be looking at there montiors

My eyes would be hella mess up

[errant karma]

its just so optimized

because its existed for so long

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/twisminds/status/2000609965476622508?s=46

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X · Dec 15, 2025, 4:52 PM

[errant karma]

almost no new rotation maps

no new guns for a long time

no new nades

its very consistent

and it forced it to become the insane skill curve it is today

[static pond]

Ya ik it a good way to learn Russian tho

[teal hare]

So your agreeing with me then

[teal hare]

Ah so they’ve given up on flexibility I see

[mortal cipher]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-joker-heath-ledger-the-dark-knight-and-here-we-go-gif-17775369

[errant karma]

yes

i thought u were calling him shit

[teal hare]

No im saying he’s like THE Japanese player
First dude that comes to mind every time

[mortal cipher]

well Nico is prob the best Japanese DPS

[cosmic socket]

just in time for vendetta to wipe out sym brawl

[errant karma]

yeah cuz topdragon is korean

[teal hare]

Ah
Yea true forgot that part

[static pond]

Speaking of esports y’all seen rainbow six trophy?

[pure bramble]

bro losing Seicoe is crazy

[mortal cipher]

lol

[mortal cipher]

Well ye

[mortal cipher]

It might actually hurt them

[teal hare]

it will because of the flexibility it offered

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[teal hare]

althouh as long as quartz keeps carryinh

[mortal cipher]

Maybe

[vestal spoke]

i lowkey only voted varrel players

idek why

anything for my goats son sleyi

[mortal cipher]

lol

[humble token]

Youbi is just better

[robust patio]

better than who

bro has the smallest hero pool

💀

[teal hare]

Dawg
Just no this jokes gettin kinda tirin

[teal hare]

Maybe dhillducks fpds

[hazy marsh]

If they have youbi perma starting there's no chance they're winning any fdps heavy meta

Just quartz aint gonna be enough

[bitter ridge]

50k 5v5 tournament on March 15th

[teal hare]

or a heavy dive meta

if tracers meta again they aint got a chance on lan with youbi

and yea fdps dominating metas to

[thorny gazelle]

Tracer is the one hero he can somewhat play next to sym and mei

[grave python]

I miss Soldier 76 in pro ngl

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/shockwaveow/status/2000938227155526008?s=46

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X · Dec 16, 2025, 2:37 PM

[teal hare]

True but not on the level of the Korean players in a meta specifically of tracer

[thorny gazelle]

Obviously but like if it was a genji or echo meta he would not be able to play the hero at all

[humble token]

Sym tracer mei

[sullen berry]

If i wanted to see only varrel i'd have done the same, too.

It's just wasted votes if i know japan are already behind their #1 & #2 teams with topdragon Edison and sley are basically Japanese in spirit

[teal hare]

Oh yea that’s the other issue
Dude has hero pool of 3 which makes it so hard for em

[humble token]

Uh he kinda diffed lip vs cr

[teal hare]

Imma be honest cr is the worlds most 50/50 team
Theyll either win on any comp
Or lose because none of them remembered to tab back in

[humble token]

Uh i would say thats more falcons

[errant karma]

uh i would say your takes suck bro why havent i blocked u yet

[hazy marsh]

his name might need to be #1 youbi glazer instead

I for sure wouldn't be dickriding someone who's as shit of a person as youbi

The shit he said because kraan brought up ANJ being paid less is VERY telling of what kind of guy he is, same with him being so problematic that KSAA decided to leave

I don't care if he "made up", that's just for show

A good person wouldn't be doing any of that stuff, I think this is conduct bad enough to justify banning someone from the league if I'm honest

And I don't think this take should be as uncommon as it is

[teal hare]

Only very recently have falcons been the less consistent one

[teal hare]

Was
From what I’ve learned and heard by miles he’s better generally as a person and teammate
He still sucks and should have gotten some punishment before but
At least there’s some effort into changing

[mortal cipher]

I guess

[vestal spoke]

we're good bro

[sullen berry]

But if you close your eyes
https://youtu.be/5ll9KzpssAk?si=cjtZ4CnbURGRH3S5

[pure bramble]

does anybody have that gif of Max being subbed out

[chilly field]

which one

https://tenor.com/view/statler-and-waldorf-gif-gif-25428563

[robust patio]

hes not good at mei and he can only play 3?

thats still considered a low hero pool for a pro

[teal hare]

The only other pros with similar hero pools are all main support players

Which is a class of characters that currently only has 3 regularly viable heroes

[teal hare]

The last time I saw youbi giving Mei a serious try was during that one time they where forced to sub youbi in for a full game to qualify for pan

Lan

[placid hemlock]

That one where they counted each of his deaths?

*in chat

[teal hare]

yep

[glass sleet]

VP dropping shockwave foooooooooooooor xzodyal I’m thinking

[glass sleet]

I don’t. That hero is insanely boring and basic af.

[grave python]

Yeah he's basic but I'm not bored when I see him

[glass sleet]

Cuz you rarely see him. That’s why you’re not bored

[grave python]

Maybe

[glass sleet]

But I would not wanna see him being played

[grave python]

The hero I really miss in pro is Reinhardt

[glass sleet]

Every time he gets played in OWCS, he does a whole lotta nothing

Which can’t be helped cuz of his kit.

[grave python]

Yeah he didn't get an update for 10 years

[glass sleet]

Rein was played more than I expected this year

[grave python]

Yeah Junbin did a great job in korea grand final

[glass sleet]

Falcons also beat cr on rein

[grave python]

But I really wish we'd see more Reinhardt but it probably won't happen

[glass sleet]

And tm played rein a few times

[glass sleet]

Bastion has a 57% win rate rn which is insanely high. He’s already over the “need to nerf now” %

[grave python]

We'll see more Reinhardt only if he gets a small rework like Ball or brand new perks

[grave python]

Yeah it's insane how they increased his fire rate

[glass sleet]

Rein is niche. He has his map points

[placid hemlock]

Bastion gets used a lot in overtime though cause you get both his perks instantly

[grave python]

Yeah but still

[cosmic socket]

oh yeah absolutely

actually i heard al qadsiah might be blowing up

they might pick up lbbd

[grave python]

Shockwave deleted his tweet

It's kinda unclear

[grave python]

Really ?

[glass sleet]

What!?

[cosmic socket]

allegedly

[glass sleet]

Oh no

I really hope simple doesn’t leave tm

[grave python]

I would be pissed if it happens

[cosmic socket]

it was some tweet from a translated stream

[glass sleet]

Heard rumors he’s leaving

[cosmic socket]

wanna say it was a quartz stream

[glass sleet]

Alqad aren’t partnered so they’re just spending so much money with not much coming back

Or benefits

Like they can’t even go to the boot camp

[cosmic socket]

aren't they like the third highest paid team in owcs

behind falcons and tm

[grave python]

If AlQad leaves I won't be sad honestly

[glass sleet]

We don’t know how much anyone is getting paid

[glass sleet]

Ruthless

[grave python]

I love the roster but

[glass sleet]

No more checkmate Landon core

[grave python]

AlQad is basically a soccer saudi club right ?

[glass sleet]

They’re just moving to peps. Trust guys.

[cosmic socket]

[glass sleet]

Idk. They’re owned by aramco and I think they’re in everything

Or getting into everything

Imagine peps with seicoe checkmate Landon

[grave python]

LOL

[glass sleet]

Wait they need hs

[glass sleet]

You laugh but they’re the only partnered team in emea

It’s so upsetting all we get is peps no disrespect

[grave python]

Yeah nah I don't laugh because it's impossible

But yeah Peps needs a great roster

[glass sleet]

You laugh cuz those stars on peps

Which is funny

[grave python]

Also Virtus Pro and TM are partnered in EMEA

[glass sleet]

If simple is actually leaving tm then Landon might join tm instead

[glass sleet]

I know but they already have their players. They’re not picking up alqad players

If alqad is blowing up then junkbuck needs another team

Tm 👀

[grave python]

I wished we had a fourth EMEA team partner

Ah yeah Junkbuck

[glass sleet]

I’m sad geng left. Geng could’ve picked up alqad roster

[grave python]

Yeah it's a shame

[glass sleet]

Geng just had a very unlucky year

[grave python]

Maybe Gen.G will move to Korea

We'll see

I hope they'll stay

[glass sleet]

Not this year

[grave python]

Even if they're not partner anymore

[glass sleet]

Idk. Moving to Korea to be a non partnered org in a heavy competitive environment

Losing partner benefits

[glass sleet]

It’s harder for non partnered orgs now cuz they’ll miss out on more benefits

[mortal cipher]

Tru but even tho they might want to assuming they still want to be an OWCS team

[grave python]

I wonder if we'll have more orgs next year

I think Fnatic was open to come back but idk

[mortal cipher]

Maybe or G2

[glass sleet]

I’m hoping DSG gets a lot into ow

Owner of DSG is a very popular streamer who would bring many eyes into ow

Hopefully

[grave python]

DSG and Dallas Fuel will get a lot into OW

They will help grow the esports scene

I'm very glad about Dallas Fuel because they love Overwatch and they'll bring back a big fan base

And I don't think DSG will leave like TU did months ago

[mortal cipher]

-he already helps with league steaming the DSG games

So ow would help ow a lot

[mortal cipher]

TD was just mad they’re didn’t become a partner team kinda fitting for the fate of the Midfiant

[grave python]

Yeah they don't need to be partner

[sullen berry]

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X · Dec 17, 2025, 8:56 AM

To be honest there was no chance we would see him again on dps

Now he too can join the fleta and sp9rk1e route of becoming a player turned coach

[rocky mist]

falcons is an EMEA team but all of them is from korea like bruh

[glass sleet]

What is this random comparison with TU? Lol

[glass sleet]

They said they left cuz ow esports doesn’t have enough sponsors

[glass sleet]

Crazy raccoon team is a Japanese team but all of them are Koreans like bruh

It’s funny. The best two Korean teams aren’t Korean orgs lol

[teal hare]

he did have impact like one time but thats about all

[cosmic socket]

oh absolutely

i think we're gonna see grow way beyond anyone's expectations in the next few years

[grave python]

I agree

[cosmic socket]

like owcs popped off in 2025 considering how little blizzard supported it

[grave python]

Yeah and they can do even more

[cosmic socket]

i think it's only a matter of time until blizz realizes that supporting owcs is a good idea

[grave python]

I really believe in a strong OWCS in 5 years with big orgs

[grave python]

I talked about the esports page in game in China in #1449520867431415969 for the Q/A I hope Aaron will talk about it

This is a great way to support OWCS

[cosmic socket]

we got a little live esports link on the main menu

it even goes off for cah which is nice

[grave python]

Yeah this is already a big W but what NetEase did in China is just exceptionnal cause you can literally make predictions for matches and earn OWCS points

[cosmic socket]

i fear blizzard will never be as based as netease

https://tenor.com/view/shynyaa-shy-overwatch-overwatch2-ow-gif-10935643036261838893

[grave python]

I don't know but this esports hub made a lot of noise on social medias so they gotta put it in game for every regions

Even for Asia it would be exceptionnal honestly

[mortal cipher]

Makes sense

[mortal cipher]

At least a sparkle and Fleta have a good legacy and at least ado had one last year as a player and it looks like Fleta might return as a player coach

[sullen berry]

Somebody get Jake back into the game on brig

[mortal cipher]

lol

[sullen berry]

Im busy using company time to generate an AI essay on wrecking ball, i cant wait to dig into ts

Someone name a ball player in NA / EMEA

The only one that comes to mind rn is infekted and hawk (tuah)

[cosmic socket]

rhyno

chase

hitoris not a horrible ball

[cyan hazel]

Yeatle

Eisgnom

[sullen berry]

Man if only we had him on the path to pro for longer

[sullen berry]

Just need non-korean ball mains with more data. Wasn't expecting many due to survivorship bias

Like how many spawned from OW2 and adapted, and how many have been maining ball since 2019

[thorny gazelle]

There was ball players on aww yeah before they dissapeared

[humble token]

Chazm🤫

[robust patio]

he aint no pro

[weary scarab]

chazm, yeatle, goldenpants, mzxsa

[cosmic socket]

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X · Dec 18, 2025, 8:00 AM

[robust patio]

now name some in pro

[weary scarab]

they are all ball otps

why would they go pro

to earn 300 euro a month lol

[hazy marsh]

who asked?

literally bringing that up for no reason whatsoever

kenobi was looking for pros

[weary scarab]

feel free to screenshot where he said pro

moron

[hazy marsh]

I feel like it's implied with the names he mentioned + this comment

[weary scarab]

ok. coudlve said that at the start

u dont need to be so cocky for no reason

[hazy marsh]

I'm not tryinna be cocky, it's just annoying to constantly hear this like yeah we know playing pro doesnt play a lot but that doesn't automatically mean every ladder player in high rank is automatically good enough to be one and is just not doing it because of the bad pay

And I'm saying this as a general thing, it's just something that gets brought up annoyingly often

Could have responded better, mb

[weary scarab]

its ok

[cyan hazel]

Eisgnom, Rhyno

hitori has a good ball too but more of a Winston player

[teal hare]

Isn’t like the pelican the best ball otp
Only t2 but as a ball he’s probably the best that only plays ball well (which kinda sucks cause they’re teams so close to being good just outside of peli generally they weren’t great)

Eisgnom to yea
I can’t remember seeing rhyno play

[placid hemlock]

Donghak is the ball player imo

[teal hare]

Donghak isn’t in na or emea though so doesn’t really apply much

[placid hemlock]

You right I misread the message my bad

[pallid spoke]

doesn’t infekted kind of have a ball on him

[grave python]

He does

[pallid spoke]

pela is a t2 NA ball player as well

[teal hare]

Pela is who I meant yea
Forgot if it was peli or pela

[cosmic socket]

prolly the best western ball yeah

[pure bramble]

Rhyn0 kind of a demon

[robust patio]

hilarious

[humble token]

Ye its so stupid

[iron rose]

Scrim 8 to 10

[humble token]

Like if they want top players to grind just freaking add rank decay to gm+

[mortal cipher]

lol

[humble token]

Chase

[vestal spoke]

proper so humble

[spark terrace]

when are they announcing the prize pool for the OWCS tourney?

its been almost a month

[vestal spoke]

https://x.com/i/status/2001456672179634396

Cavalry Esports (@OWCEsports)

🎌 @Mihawk_ow has announced his retirement from Competitive Overwatch, with @_VARREL announcing his transfer from their Overwatch division to their Streamer division.

The Japanese player known for their DPS and Support play has previously represented Japan at the 2023 OWWC.

X · Dec 18, 2025, 12:57 AM

[grand shore]

Check dm @plain walrus

[cosmic socket]

it's gotta be embarrassingly low if they're taking this long to announce it

[teal hare]

This is also the set there doing an entirely new qualifier Ruleset and shit

[grave python]

You had to speak I guess

[winter river]

good lord..

https://tenor.com/view/best-man-holiday-black-guy-crying-black-guy-funeral-black-guy-crying-at-funeral-funeral-crying-gif-4006062888161857521

[grave python]

Idk why they didn't show the prize pool earlier

[teal hare]

Damm that’s actually pretty good

[grave python]

Same prize pool as last year

[teal hare]

Yea
Still pretty good all in all

[glass sleet]

They didn’t announce it till it reached 500k$

[stoic juniper]

https://x.com/l1mew1z4rd/status/2001663618111381576?s=46&t=5CxzpuHG0lyVrF2529pXBg

L. Wizard 🕯️ (@L1meW1z4rd)

LIP: *Fluxes no one*
LIP: "Bro I still controlled their positioning with that aura flux"

(Whispering to each other on OW)
Vigi: "Surely it was not THAT good"
Stalk3r: "LOL"

LIP: "I saw what you guys typed, I'm going doomfist"

X · Dec 18, 2025, 2:39 PM

[grave python]

Yeah I was expecting a bit higher but why not

Like 700k

[robust patio]

LMFAO

lip should just stay with dps

[teal hare]

This shits entertaining af

[sullen berry]

https://x.com/owCHEESEBURGER/status/2001638683355816194?s=20

ᴄʜᴇᴇsᴇʙᴜʀɢᴇʀ (@owCHEESEBURGER)

[𝐓𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐤 𝐘𝐨𝐮, 𝐃𝟎𝐃𝟎 🥷]

CHEESEBURGER는 ‘D0D0’ 선수와의 동행이 상호 합의 하에 마무리되었음을 안내드립니다.

D0D0 선수는 CHEESEBURGER의 시작과 함께하며 팀의 첫 페이지를 마지막으로 채워 주었고, 그 과정에서 보여 준 열정은 팀에 큰 의미로 ...

X · Dec 18, 2025, 1:00 PM

oh look, a QR code

best LFT Post from his former team

[teal hare]

Peak team right there

Also the best jerseys to

[mortal cipher]

thats nice

[cursive temple]

NOOOOOOOO

ARE YOU KIDDING ME

[pure bramble]

has Quartz ever had a bad game or map

every time i watch this guy

i feel like he’s never the problem

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/twisminds/status/2002448132874113120?s=46

Twisted Minds 🧠 (@TwisMinds)

Overwatch Roster Update.
Tomorrow.

#TwistTheGame

X · Dec 20, 2025, 6:36 PM

it's gotta be a korean fdps import

maybe new coach

[humble token]

🥶

[viscid hatch]

Shu

[hollow ember]

when will music festival mercy come out :(

[robust patio]

[viscid hatch]

You never know

My roster prediction is, TVNT quartz, stalker, funnyastro and shu

Wild guess but let’s see

[robust patio]

stalker

[glass sleet]

The roster they had was the best that’s available. I can only think of them bringing in a fdps import and hope they don’t lose simple.

[cosmic socket]

im thinking either stalker seonjun or zest

[glass sleet]

I can only see stalker being worth it. Dropping seicoe for the other two just doesn’t make sense.

[pure bramble]

https://x.com/spacestation/status/2002540324514902023?s=46

Spacestation Gaming (@Spacestation)

Leaked documents have confirmed the 2026 SSG Overwatch roster:

TANK ▇▇▇▇, DPS ▇▇▇▇▇ & ▇▇▇▇▇, MAIN SUPPORT ▇▇▇▇▇, FLEX SUPPORT ▇▇▇▇▇, ▇▇▇▇▇ PGE ▇▇▇▇▇▇▇▇ NA LAST HOPE

X · Dec 21, 2025, 12:43 AM

[cosmic socket]

could the blanked out names actually have the amount of characters as their roster or am i reading into it too much

okay i couldnt make out any names im schizo

[thorny gazelle]

Those are very short dps names

[pure bramble]

if SSG doesn’t Hawk Pge Sugarfree Cjay I walk

[glass sleet]

PGE? Yeah ssg are cooked

[pure bramble]

okay but bro was not that bad in 2024

nah he was actually insane

[glass sleet]

Ok but losing Kronik for PGE? That’s cooked

[pure bramble]

Kronik had one good stage and a few pop off games I’ll say it

he’s probably the better Freja

[glass sleet]

You’ve convinced me

PGE is the way

[pure bramble]

definitely the better freja

Kronik is good but I feel like Pge can be better 😭

taking a year off kinda rough

[glass sleet]

Idk

I don’t watch much na outside of ntmr so I have no clue basically

[pure bramble]

he’s good I just still have hope for a Pge comeback

[cursive temple]

pge is so slept on

[sullen berry]

easily the best unsponsored jerseys since runaway

[robust patio]

https://tenor.com/view/overwatch-pge-aim-gif-12154612574886284145

https://tenor.com/view/tracer-me-on-tracer-overwatch-tracer-overwatch-esperanca-gif-981081625891034700

[placid hemlock]

Cjay left last week

[teal hare]

Yep easily by absolute miles the best
Is even argue it’s the best including sponsored ones

[teal hare]

Pge really hates the walls on this map

[grave python]

I miss OWCS

[warm hearth]

They turned bro into a gif 😭

[grave python]

https://x.com/TwisMinds/status/2002771149915349207

Twisted Minds 🧠 (@TwisMinds)

They tried. They failed. ❌

FunnyAstro stays with Twisted until 2028. 🔒🧠

#TwistTheGame

X · Dec 21, 2025, 4:00 PM

[teal hare]

Is this the only one we’ve had t m confirm is staying

[mortal cipher]

I mean makes sense

[static pond]

If t1 gets stalker it prob be zest

[cyan hazel]

Ocie is DEVASTATED

[cyan hazel]

Do you really think TM can run venture?

If they're going for a good tracer there are better Korean imports

[lean cape]

Wish I was more well-versed in the esports side of the game. I know of them, but I don't know much about the history of the OWL / OWCS or the players and teams behind it. I see the ongoing discussion about it, but I don't know enough to join the conversation(s)

[humble token]

2028 w

I think stalker makes sense for tm

[static pond]

Why would they go for tm tho

That the question

[vestal spoke]

Rip

[static pond]

He never been on a none kr team don’t think he can speak English

[glass sleet]

Their roster announcement is just one player? And 2028??

I hate twitter for their shit. It won’t let me check TM’s account through that funnyastro’s link cuz I don’t have the app

[glass sleet]

He played with non Koreans before

I only caught last year of OWL and he was on Atlanta reign with Hawk. Idk the other teams he was on.

[vestal spoke]

Yeah dude itll just be him

[glass sleet]

OWCS been going on for two years and starting its third season soon. Most the teams you see are new to ow since they came with OWCS or later. Some been around for awhile tho.

[glass sleet]

Funnyastros

[lean cape]

I watched a lot of the OWL, but I never thought to read up on the teams or players

[rocky mist]

cmon man you dont have to say that
it was 12am like chill hahahaa

[cosmic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patchy-the-pirate-thats-it-disappointed-gif-27280238

[sullen berry]

I was waiting for some big news, this is big for one reason only

[sullen berry]

I'd be even more depressed by this if he didn't vaguely imply he might consider coaching next season

[glass sleet]

They’re banking on him still being good at 27-28

Yeah he’s gonna be 28 when the contract ends

[glass sleet]

I’m just saying bro

[sullen berry]

Once Again/Weibo Gaming has dropped their coaching staff

I really wish this was real, but Chinese content creators love making AI generated content

[mortal cipher]

It also has ai at the bottom

[wise orbit]

as long as he can dedicate his time to the game it prob shouldnt be an issue

considering the lack of ms talent its prob a good investment as long as ow esports doesn't die or something

public multi year contracts are a good sign for the esport though i think

[sullen berry]

well i still had to open it because the thumbnail was too small to tell

[glass sleet]

I think cuz he’s also does their IGLing when youbi isn’t in

[cosmic socket]

wait youre right

there's only two good eu main supports and they're both unc

[wise orbit]

I heard kellex is retiring as well but who knows

but its not even an eu thing like there's no good ms anywhere

na has like admiral and vega

china has lengsa

[mortal cipher]

Ah I see

[wise orbit]

japan has no one afaik

korea have a couple thats abt it

[mortal cipher]

What number this time ???

[teal hare]

They ai generated there goodbye to there coach

Damn i thought roc would be the least likeable org for China

[shadow geode]

ok chat i have a question
what is double scrim blocking

im temp managing a team and they apparently like that

[cursive temple]

its like doing two scrims back to back

yk how one scrim block is like and hour and a half to 2 hours

its basically just doubled the time

[cursive temple]

so rlly its just 4 hours of playing scrim blocks

[shadow geode]

oh that makes sense

thank you

[cursive temple]

ywah but just make sure they dont burn iut and give them like a 30 min break every 1.5-2 hours

[shadow geode]

apparently the team really really likes double blocks so if they get burnt out lowk thats on them shouldve had me book single

[cursive temple]

lol you already a good coach

[grave python]

https://x.com/geekay_esports/status/2003157175167033426

Geekay Esports (@geekay_esports)

Today we bid farewell to our Overwatch squad.

We are grateful for everything we've achieved this year and wish you the best of luck in your next chapter 💙💛

#GK_WeGame #جيكي_اللعب_عندنا

X · Dec 22, 2025, 5:34 PM

[mortal cipher]

It’s kinda like if a school has a block period

[cyan hazel]

Finally Cuffa can find a workable team

[cosmic socket]

rip to this absolute goated team

passed on by both partner teams only to beat their asses, get their star player poached and continue to beat their asses

hoping to see this core on dallas or dsg

[static pond]

It was just hawk tho and they said they didt communicate that much

[static pond]

It was gen g before that and a before that was contenders

[glass sleet]

Their coach was also American

So idk

[static pond]

It was gator

He was a bad coach

It mostly was wizard tho he was the kr analyst

When he left it mostly fell apart

[glass sleet]

Ok stalker never spoke English in his life and has zero experience with non Koreans. I agree with you dawg

[static pond]

The situation could have been different if gator put his foot down tho

That where the chiyo and donkhak issues form from

[static pond]

Oh and apparently they didt like playing with hawk cuz they couldt communicate that the Koreans I mean

There was lots of issues with that team tbh

[grave python]

https://x.com/virtuspro_OW2/status/2003200627321765938

Virtus.pro Overwatch 2 (@virtuspro_OW2)

We know EXACTLY what's on our To-Do List 📝

X · Dec 22, 2025, 8:27 PM

W tweet

[mortal cipher]

Truly

[cosmic socket]

and not with fuckass heroes

if theyre gonna drip feed us heroes can it at least be stuff like ball tracer kiri

[grave python]

Fr

And we want this as well
https://x.com/Proto_VI/status/1991849493180862857

Proto VI (@Proto_VI)

The OWCS Finals now has in-game page for Chinese players which includes with the schedule, an mini events (play game to earn points in this event) and "betting" (to gain points in this event) along with being able to get OWCS skins which includes ones that are yet to be released.

X · Nov 21, 2025, 12:41 PM

[mortal cipher]

truly

[viscid hatch]

Why does that not exist for us

[grave python]

I was wondering about that too it’s a shame

NetEase are based

[robust patio]

https://tenor.com/view/plankton-eating-popcorn-popcorn-plankton-meme-plankton-yes-gif-18251234252356731757

[mortal cipher]

[robust patio]

bernar in ma game

[errant karma]

tell him hes my goat

user duna on discord

[glass sleet]

TM dropping KSAA and seicoe to afford stalker’s salary? 👀

Apparently youbi said on his stream that tm are going to drop one of the two tanks they have and I’m just assuming it’s KSAA

Youbi also said that CR are picking up a former TM player which means it’s either simple (if he already left tm) or vigilante

But I think it’s vigilante

[robust patio]

hmm

[mortal cipher]

or bliss

Vigilante makes the most sense especially if the rumor is that the T1 are getting Shu
so Shu Vigi swap makes the most sense

[glass sleet]

Why would they pick up bliss? They need a fsup not another ms. And replacing chorong for bliss?

[mortal cipher]

It was just because was another TM player but it’s probably vigi for a shu swap

Ye

[tepid ibex]

Rumours that TM are getting zest as well

And T1 would have stalk3r

[cosmic socket]

https://youtu.be/qHV-ubwfWSc?si=N1iNL2oZ1o9uX-nl

[cursive temple]

t1 has improved so much i actually didnt rlly care abt them at first

[winter river]

why have so many teams lwk had people leaving

this is normal between seasons im assuming

[hasty raptor]

guys is there teams for esports that people can join it

[mortal cipher]

usually yeah

[mortal cipher]

thats the T1 dna right there

[mortal cipher]

that or the rumors of a certain dps player come back off the bench

[glass sleet]

Is zest worth dropping seicoe for?

Zest is very flexible and he’s one of the very few Koreans that can play sym decent enough but idk. I’m a fan of zest tho so I can’t be hating.

[errant karma]

zest is a plumber

[glass sleet]

Saudi propaganda

Said someone in comments ^

Shu getting fsup of the year when he kept losing to tm and alqad both LANs? He’s insane player ofc but he got 8th-5th in EWC which is bad imo and got 3rd in world finals losing to simple twice and Landon once. Saudi propaganda fr

Also I think Cuffa was the better na tank overall this year instead of infekted. Genuinely surprised infekted got picked when he only beef geekay one stage

But great video loved it. Shit was so hype

[cosmic socket]

it's kinda sad cx has to run it tho

like should this not be a part of the official broadcast?

[glass sleet]

Yeah I think it should. Maybe OWCS can at least do it through CX and make it official. That’s the least they can do.

[wise orbit]

i think purely mechanically its prob worth but you will have the language barrier and synergy issues

never seen zest sym tbh but he would probably learn by playing in emea lol

i saw a rumour that vp is getting seicoe but i have no idea why they would get him over like backbone or checkmate

if you really want a second fdps it should probably be a sym guy

like getting seicoe you would just have a budget kevster

[glass sleet]

He’s probably the best sym in Korea imo. He also played her the most out of everyone in Korea but he’s also the best venture imo who’s really good into sym as a counter.

[glass sleet]

A budget Kevster when Kevster is on the team as well lol

Seicoe and kev play the same heroes

[wise orbit]

yea im sure he could become the next checkmate if he got coached and played in emea

[wise orbit]

yea thats what i mean

[glass sleet]

Speaking of coach, imagine tm get junkbuck.

[wise orbit]

i heard he could be potentially going to falcons

i think he was on falcons last season but im not sure

[glass sleet]

I’ve been a fan of Zest since 2023 infernal so I wouldn’t be mad if he joined tm but man I can’t help but think of the craziest dps lineup of Quartz Stalker

[glass sleet]

Yeah crusty and junkbuck were on falcons and they won world finals

[wise orbit]

tbf if he goes to tm he would probably not play sym anyways since u have youbi as the sym guy

[glass sleet]

True

I’m just worried falcons aren’t gonna drop merit

I would be so sad

[wise orbit]

quartz stalker would be insane

[glass sleet]

Hear me out. This is my copium. TM dropped seicoe and one of their tanks so they can afford stalker

🧠

[wise orbit]

lul

[glass sleet]

Tm is a private org so they don’t have infinite money glitch. That’s what seicoe said at least.

[wise orbit]

nah i rly hope stalker goes to t1 tbh

[glass sleet]

I think it’s gonna be KSAA dropped

[glass sleet]

TM or T1. Those are the only acceptable teams imo

[wise orbit]

if t1 get both shu and stalker they could become the best team itw

outside of sym meta

[glass sleet]

Why tm? Cuz Quartz is the best main dps and simple is the best or second best fsup atm

[glass sleet]

Ikr? Finally my t1 gonna win something

Youbi said that a former TM player is going to CR

which people are assuming is Vigilante

[wise orbit]

yea i heard rumours of vigi going to cr

[glass sleet]

Youbi out here spilling the tea

UV to SSG

vigi to cr

Shu to t1

Wtf is VP thinking dropping shockwave

There are no other available hs in emea bro

[grave python]

Xzodyal

[wise orbit]

its possible they will just re-sign him

[glass sleet]

I’m 99% sure shu is going to T1. That’s the only other team outside of CR that can play ball and dive well

[wise orbit]

most likely his contract ended and hes in talks with all the teams

[glass sleet]

OH SHIT U RIGHT. How the hell did I forget about him

[wise orbit]

like what happened to max

[glass sleet]

Wtf is happened to max?

He was gonna leave cr?

[wise orbit]

his contract with cr ended but they re-signed him

[glass sleet]

Oh

Should’ve picked up bernar instead

[wise orbit]

but he still put up a lft tweet

[glass sleet]

I don’t want that

[grave python]

Why are some ppl saying that Landon will join VP

[glass sleet]

Yeah it’s so CR pay him more

[wise orbit]

its rumoured

[glass sleet]

Cuz alqad exploded

And he’s not going to peps

[grave python]

Ah I see

[wise orbit]

its definitely an upgrade but i dont see the vision if they want to play more main tank comps

[grave python]

Nah he won’t go to Peps

[wise orbit]

since landon is not rly known as the ana guy

[grave python]

He’s not going to win any major if he plays for Peps

[glass sleet]

Galaa use to play ms a lot last year so Landon Galaa or Landon Fixa?

No way 3 supports on VP…

[wise orbit]

most ppl saying fixa is staying

[glass sleet]

If Peps puts in a lot of money since they’re an org team now. They can pick up alqad roster

[wise orbit]

my dream would be eis, kevster, lbbd7, shu, fixa

[grave python]

We’ll see

[glass sleet]

Shu looks so out of place bro

[grave python]

Maybe another big org will come and pick up Alqad roster too idk

[wise orbit]

kevster lbbd7 would actually be really good tho no

[glass sleet]

I’m sorry but Shu is 100% going to T1. They’re the best team available and they’re in KR AND they’re freaking T1. Every Korean’s dream is to play for T1 also shu skewed reunion

[wise orbit]

they could play double flex with echo or pharah

and hes an insane hs player ofc

[wise orbit]

kevster shu reunion would also be rly cool 😭

[glass sleet]

Tbh lbdd7 kinda dropped down a bit for me after his performance on finals. Yeah he was really good and got second place but he can’t play freja and he’s not aggressive enough.

[wise orbit]

maybe

[glass sleet]

Not same role so mine is more emotional

[wise orbit]

maybe eis, kevster, xzo, shu, fixa

[glass sleet]

Spilo’s review of alqad in grand finals was brutal. He picked them apart.

[wise orbit]

thats my dream team

[glass sleet]

Dreams change so fast huh lol

[wise orbit]

idrc abt the hs role tbh

just get the best guy u can get

[grave python]

Shu playing for VP hmm…

[glass sleet]

Then put Cookie on that team

[glass sleet]

He’s not against playing outside of kr but the pay needs to be worth it

[wise orbit]

xzo, lbbd7, shockwave, korean import whatever

or no

with shu u couldnt get a korean

[glass sleet]

3 hs and Korean imports

[wise orbit]

well u get what i mean

[glass sleet]

Fixa Shu would be the two imports yeah

Oh

Vision is still around btw

Maybe they pay a load of money and get shu

[wise orbit]

yea i saw a tweet saying vestola is going to vision

[glass sleet]

They dropped violet for shu 🧠

[wise orbit]

fuck vision honestly

[glass sleet]

What are they gonna do about imports I wonder. Maybe not get any and stick with emea roster

[wise orbit]

js griefing ow esports by getting insane players and putting them on a roster with 4 bums

[glass sleet]

Yeah I agree. Poor tama had to play with 4 bums

Vision getting Vestola, checkmate, Landon, lbbd7 and aoy

Or shu instead of Landon

🧠

[wise orbit]

would be a very good team tbh

except for the main support

or well im guessing aoy is a main support idk that player

[glass sleet]

Idk if he even plays anymore. I just know he’s a Saudi ms

Like who would they even get

There are no ms players anymore. They’re a rare breed

[wise orbit]

crispy 🙃

[glass sleet]

Like I said, unfortunately no Ms left 😔

Crispy is ahh

Like he’s actually not good

He got dropped my geng and then geng were like oh shit he’s the only Ms in emea so they signed him again

[pure bramble]

viol2t on fsupp

[spark terrace]

is it a hot take to say that most Esports scenes lives or dies by their coaching staff

like genuinely besides the patch note diff most of the LANs isnt really abt whoever has the better hands anymore

[teal hare]

I’d say it is because TM won the last lan holehandedly

Without a coach

Coaches are also always only as good as the players they’re coaching

If your players are worse then there’s consistently doesn’t matter how sound your strategy is if one of them can solo your backline e

[mortal cipher]

It does depend if the team is elite as well or the coach’s decisions as an example the GenG league team was only good because the players were elite not because the coach was good which is why it was titled “ this is a draft only GenG could win on “

[teal hare]

Sometimes it’s both like t1 in league rn
Even if it’s the faker show regardless

Or falcons with ow

[robust patio]

rosters based on rumors

[teal hare]

Didn’t max just get dropped. Or leave

[teal hare]

Totally bringin back viol3t to zeta

[teal hare]

Do you really think they’ll sign zest to tk

My

Tm

[cosmic socket]

checkmate on falcons would actually be op

enables a top 2 korean team to play sym

also seicoe on vp is dumb

why have kevster lite when you already have kevster

[robust patio]

dk

the pic is just rumors

[cosmic socket]

sign ksaa and backbone so you can play sym with off tank

[robust patio]

so nothing is confirmed

[soft crow]

@willow plinth You wanna play now?

[willow plinth]

OMG SURE!!

[soft crow]

Give me a minute

[willow plinth]

I’m on the main menu right now !! :)

I’m not rlly able to call though or anything if that’s okay

[soft crow]

I'll open it now idk how to team up

[soft crow]

I don't wanna call too

[willow plinth]

ILL SEND U THE INVITE DW

[soft crow]

Wait I'll tell you when I'm ready

[willow plinth]

I sent you an invite

Did you get it?

@soft crow

[soft crow]

Yeah

I got it

@willow plinth

[willow plinth]

Okay cool

[soft crow]

Um how do we play now

[willow plinth]

One of my friends is gonna join rq if that’s okay

[soft crow]

Ok

Tell me if your ready I'll close discord after

[willow plinth]

OKK

My friends game is loading

Okay she’s joining

[soft crow]

So were only three and two unkown?

[willow plinth]

Wdym?

[soft crow]

Nice play @willow plinth

[willow plinth]

THAT WAS A GOOD ROUND

[willow plinth]

IKRRR

GG💔

OMG PLAYER OF THE GANE

GAME

YAYYY

[willow plinth]

@soft crow Heyy I’m gonna take a break!!!

[soft crow]

Thats fine and good play!

[soft crow]

I got that two times before the enemies now are harder

[willow plinth]

YAYY!!!

[pure bramble]

chat I have a theory

rumors that Al Qad are having big changes right? TM lost Seicoe and are currently looking for Korean fdps

ik the ideal pick is Stalk3r, but what if TM poaches Checkmate

if Simple goes back to Korea, I think Checkmate could probably convince Landon to move to TM as well

ik Simple says he wants to stay with TM but rn there’s two big openings for fsupps in Korea

Nvm I think Simple is confirmed staying with TM

[soft crow]

@willow plinth Do you use the default crosshair or a custom crosshair?

[willow plinth]

I use default personally

Maybe I’ll use a custom one in the future

[soft crow]

A white one?

[willow plinth]

Pretty sure yeah

[mortal cipher]

Well t1 is success if a failure

[mortal cipher]

I think I make mine black cross hairs

[willow plinth]

DUMGEONS AND DRAGONS BANNER

Wait no

I’m fucking stupid

Pls

I hallucinated the words dungeons and dragons at the bottom of ur banner for some reason I’m so sorry

[cosmic socket]

has cr given any reason why they dropped shu yet

[robust patio]

they didnt drop shu

its just shu left cus contract ended

with Cr

[glass sleet]

Shu leaves a team after two years.

[tired epoch]

[mortal cipher]

oh lol its just the Shanghai Dragons banner

[humble token]

Falcons look insane

Gonna be able to play sym now

[teal hare]

Maybe

I do know they where already practicing sym for the mirror

[humble token]

Where lbbd7 honna go

[teal hare]

So they might not sign someone on just for the sym

[willow plinth]

IK IK

IM SO EMBARASSED LMAOOOO

[mortal cipher]

yea

[mortal cipher]

nah its all good ive done something worse probably lol

[sullen berry]

Cant wait to see some shake up in NA for 2026

Also in case i miss something during roster apocalypse, please ping me any key roster changes

[robust patio]

bet

[glass sleet]

They look insane and then merit is there for some reason

I guess proper can play hs and checkmate is the fdps. I hope merit gets benched.

[hazy marsh]

Mer1t is still very good at hitscan, you're saying this as if he was some third-class nobody

Like yeah he's not as flexible as most of the other KR talent but he's still top tier on the heroes he plays

[robust patio]

yes

[rocky mist]

KSAA is washed bro

tvtn and ziyad is way better then him rn

[robust patio]

i think so too

[soft crow]

@willow plinth You wanna play?

I'll wait 10 minutes if you don't reply I'll play my own @willow plinth

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/zetadivision/status/2004417013633241577?s=46

ZETA DIVISION (@zetadivision)

⚡️ZETA DIVISION - OVERWATCH

この度、AlphaYi, MAG, Probe, Rascalが契約終了に伴い退団する運びとなりました。

共に戦った仲間たち。これまでの歩みに感謝を。
Step into the future, another your history 📖
@rlawns0740 @magmag1219 @Ow_Probe @Rascal

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X · Dec 26, 2025, 5:00 AM

zeta continues to explode

[humble token]

Junckbuck to tm

[willow plinth]

Sorrryyy I was sleeping

It was 5am when u sent that for me

[glass sleet]

He might as well be with his ahh performance lately.

[glass sleet]

I called it. They drop most zeta and pick up WAE

[glass sleet]

I’m sick and tired of this false narrative of him being a top tier hs. He has one good game every stage and everyone says “grand finals merit.” “He only shows up when there’s money on the line” bro has been playing ass for most his time in OWCS. Quartz, lip, stalker, proud are so much better than him on hs. Merit should be thanking god for having a friend like someone who keeps bringing him along onto stacked teams.

He’s the Korean Kai

He wouldn’t be on a team like falcons if it wasn’t for someone

I’ve been a falcons fan since team hamster and I love to glaze my own players and I pray that merit starts stepping up next season. I would love for him to start actually playing like a top tier hs. I WANT him to stop being a burden on falcons

[cyan hazel]

T1 IS winning

You've got the best MS and FS players imo, fantastic tanks and a top 3 Hitscan, and the best fdps player.

[cyan hazel]

Team vision will be disgustingly good if sigma is meta
I'm talking fucking TM during Symm meta good

You're looking at two top tier Hitscans, a fantastic sigma, a great FS who specializes in illari and whoever their MS player is idk

[glass sleet]

Why does vision have two hs

That doesn’t make sense

I don’t believe that’s their roster

[mortal cipher]

had a feeling it was gonna be Bernar and Pelican staying

[humble token]

Nah

[mortal cipher]

i think its a bit too early to jump if this rumor is true theyll still be top 3, but winning anything idk yet

[static pond]

The thing is most players now can flex you expect a hitscan to be able to play tracer now

[teal hare]

Quartz is considered one of the best hitscan period and he doesn’t have a tracer

A lot of people are still picked just cause of there tracer

[soft crow]

It’s fine we can play tomorrow

[hollow bough]

throwback to when i went to an event in korea

midseason madness

[grave python]

W

I only watched s5 and s6 of OWL

So I don't know much about the rest

[pure bramble]

yo idk if we putting Proud in the “greatest hitscan” conversation atm

Proud has the complete opposite effect bro

dude disappears when it matters

new Flora

[hollow bough]

this was in 2023 :)

[grave python]

Ah alright

I hope I'll go to an OWCS event one day

I tried to go to Stockholm in 2024 but I'm happy I didn't spend any money cause it was trash

I tried again in 2025 but I didn't have the money

[mortal cipher]

ah

[grave python]

Yeah

I hope next year

But only if it’s Stockholm again

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[robust patio]

epic

i was there too

[hollow bough]

hell ya

i got to meet profit and piggy

[sullen berry]

W

I wish i could meet piggy to tell him how he almost singlehandedly gave GZ Charge the best single stage streak in its entire franchise. Also for the Zarya climber reskin

[tired epoch]

[robust patio]

[teal hare]

Gotta say
Weekeed might have the wildest pro hero pool even if he don’t play anymore

[sullen berry]

I forgot we've had a midseason tournament outside of Hawaii and Riyadh

[deep stream]

Are there any HE keyboards better than the irok MG75 Pro under 150€

[sullen berry]

I was meant to take a trip to Guangzhou as part of the Charge socials team, but 2020 homestand games never happened.

Last year's homestand might have worked out, had I not made plans earlier and tickets with less than 2 months notice costing thousands if I was going to be able to go without Chinese preferential ticket priority.

There's a rumor going round that they want to do it in Japan in April, but but EWC is looking more realistic if it ever moves out of Riyadh

[grave python]

I remember I saw this
https://x.com/yjw891213/status/1996429721731760405?s=46

Yjw1213 (@yjw891213)

내년 OWCS 국제전 3개는 아주 가까운 나라에서 열릴겁니다
J S C

X · Dec 4, 2025, 4:01 AM

[sullen berry]

C for China/Canada would be sick

[soft crow]

@willow plinth You wanna play?

[sullen berry]

But like if I planned to go to Japan rn

[grave python]

Yeah it would be pretty epic

[sullen berry]

Prices are solely depending on which week it's being held

Like I would love a 2 week holiday like anyone going to japan

[grave python]

I’d love to have 16 teams for world finals in 2026

[soft crow]

I'll wait 5 minutes @willow plinth

[cyan hazel]

Yes we absolutely are

This man ran TM's pockets in the first two maps of the T1 TM series

[mortal cipher]

Even Quartz or Youbi said T1 was the only team they had trouble against

And they about stopped a reverse sweep

[cyan hazel]

Yeah T1 was, in my opinion, the best Korean team in that tournament

They had the perfect hero pool to deal with TM, very nearly did so, and that was with Zest and Vigi which are clearly worse than Stalk3r and Shu

My goat skewed was doing some work

[mortal cipher]

Yeah they were the team to push tm and AQ was just an anomaly

[mortal cipher]

And if they get Squ and stalker like the rumors say then oh boy

[willow plinth]

Apologies I was asleep 😭😭 our time zones r pretty poopy

[summer canopy]

when does Daily reset EST?
the challenges

[soft crow]

Yeah it’s fine I thought you were awake cause it’s 7 am there

[sullen berry]

Probably right now

[summer canopy]

nah its a 20 hour format specifically for you

[wise orbit]

can someone leak the rosters for next year

[shut sequoia]

pge on crazy raccoons and team philippines win world cup

[robust patio]

damn

[grave python]

https://x.com/virtuspro_OW2/status/2005361831980970408

Virtus.pro Overwatch 2 (@virtuspro_OW2)

Defining history like few before.

Today we say goodbye to @sHockWaveOW and @Showmakerv and want to thank them for their passion, hard work and all the fantastic memories that made this journey unforgettable.

As their contracts come to their end, we wish them nothing but the

X · Dec 28, 2025, 7:34 PM

NOOOOOOO

I love Shockwave and Galaa

I still have regrets cause I really wanted VP to qualify for worlds and shine there

[cosmic socket]

oh they gotta be getting xzodyal

actually if alqad rumors are true maybe they can score lbbd

[grave python]

Yeah maybe

I wonder which team Ziyad will play for too

[mortal cipher]

interesting

[teal hare]

Also wae is done to and won’t be playing I’ve learned

[glass sleet]

The players or the team? Maybe they go to zeta

[cosmic socket]

core probably going to zeta

i hope zeta drop finn and pick up both leesoomin and maka

i think they're a criminally underrated back line

[grave python]

I have a hot take but I think VP wouldn’t have been bad against CR and Falcons during the worlds considering Falcons were very close to lose to Varrel

[teal hare]

That’s cause falcons thought varrel weren’t gonna be a capable team at all anyway

[cosmic socket]

maybe

actually idk

their best look this stage was that ball double fdps and eis gets diffed into the ground by the koreans

[mortal cipher]

might get picked up by another korean org even if not partnered or Split up

[cyan hazel]

I just think that VP don't have enough of a Sym to beat any main Korean team

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/sejfinn/status/2005529434338832860?s=46

FiNN (@SEjFiNN)

LFT sup

With permission from ZETA DIVISION, I am exploring my options for the next season while still in negotiations with them regarding a contract renewal.

Discord:sejfinn0919

X · Dec 29, 2025, 6:40 AM

[grave python]

Honestly it's not even that they don't play Sym that much

[torn portal]

Rumors say landon fixa, now possibly xzodyal too

Sounds great

eis kevster xzodyal landon fixa some sixth

[grave python]

Would be great

They'd better qualify for worlds in 2026

[cosmic socket]

if you're vp do you think it's worth it to pick up a sym player and split their time with kevster

[torn portal]

backbone

maybe

[sacred gulch]

what do you caster types rank infekted and cuffa

[cosmic socket]

yea i mean thatd be the obvious choice

[sacred gulch]

they at least top 5?

[cosmic socket]

top 5 internationally?

[fallen wadi]

i might be stupid but what do u mean by this

[sacred gulch]

yeah

[fallen wadi]

LOL

[sacred gulch]

overall my fault

[cosmic socket]

theyre probably not even top 10 internationally

[fallen wadi]

i dont think theyre top 5 internationalyl

yeaaaaa

10 would be pushing it even

[cosmic socket]

idk maybe if you're just ranking main tanks

[sacred gulch]

in na they are surely the best but eu is also just kinda shitting on na in general

fair

no in general

[fallen wadi]

painkiller is the best (not biased)

[sacred gulch]

the falloff is real

[fallen wadi]

[cosmic socket]

idk

[fallen wadi]

the NA falloff is rly sad

i think 4 partner teams gives a breath of fresh air at least

[cosmic socket]

ngl the eu tanks have been carried by meta and recency bias so idk

[sacred gulch]

time will tell

rest in peace geekay

[cosmic socket]

honestly i think the na falloff is a bit exaggerated

3rd at hangzhou beating cr

[sacred gulch]

you can argue infekted and cuffa had their prime in pro play cause of the defense shit that got nerfed

the armor stacking

[cosmic socket]

geekay went to map 5 with both falcons and alqad

[sacred gulch]

they're really good but that prob had a huge part in them dominating in na

[cosmic socket]

stockholm na fs shit the bed

[sacred gulch]

i really wonder whats gonna happen to the geekay roster cause me personally

IN MY OPINION

Admiral is the best main support worldwide

uv is a great flex too but admiral is a different player

[cosmic socket]

ehh

[sacred gulch]

realistically im prob off, but i think if he was on a super star team he'd be at full potential

[cosmic socket]

his lucio/brig are both unironically top 5 but he's so inflexible which is really bad for a modern main support

[sacred gulch]

isnt his weaver insane too

[cosmic socket]

like why are we playing lu wuyang

[sacred gulch]

[cosmic socket]

yeah but that isn't a real hero

[sacred gulch]

the curse of being the only estonian overwatch player

[cosmic socket]

not until they give him his hp and heal perk back

[sacred gulch]

idk if admiral can even play in world cup kek

[fallen wadi]

mmm i think i agree with u

in a general sense

[cosmic socket]

like it was def a weak year for na but look at the metas during each year

[fallen wadi]

but also working in OWCS i just see how different the resources are in NA and it is kinda sad

it rly is just

eu meta tho

[cosmic socket]

ya

[sacred gulch]

at least they get treated better than china owcs

sorta

[cosmic socket]

especially ewc and stockholm

[sacred gulch]

the crazy raccoon fall off prob had their contracts on the chopping block too

[cosmic socket]

like we have no sym players and our only good offtank gets diffed at regionals because he doesn't have a sym

my prediction is that vendetta kills sym comp and makes na a competitive region again

[sacred gulch]

they prob gonna kill vendetta

but who knows with this balance team

the game has historically been balanced for silver and below anyway

[placid hemlock]

Surely she'll still be viable for 1 stage tho

I imagine they'd release a new skin along side it to get as much money as possible before super nerfing her

[sacred gulch]

you should be on the marketing team

[placid hemlock]

Lmao

I just feel like thats the status quo at this point

[grave python]

I agree

I really wish NRG and Cloud9 comes back

But Dallas Fuel and Disguised is actually huge

[sacred gulch]

OWL dying was good cause the team names were ugly as fuck

especially bad without import limits

NYXL = 5/6 koreans

etc etc

[grave python]

It's mostly because it was unhealthy for the esport scene

Today we have a real ecosystem but it's still young and it's growing

[warm hearth]

How is a team name unhealthy for the esport scene :0

[grave python]

Not that

Well it was definitely a problem but there were more problems

[errant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/jonah-hill-frustrated-wolf-of-wall-street-annoyed-smh-gif-9553858

[sacred gulch]

not what he meant

[sacred gulch]

im right

[errant karma]

whatever bro

ur wrong but i dont feel like this

[sacred gulch]

its an “esports discussion”
you act like I just insulted your family and life

[cosmic socket]

what esports organizations wanna join a league that doesn't even let them advertise themselves with their own name

also im sure fans overseas dont like having their goats on these corny american franchising ass named teams

[cyan hazel]

Okay you can say that you think he's the best but you can't say that you're right.
Like imo skewed is the best ms player but like there's no one right answer to that question

[teal hare]

The issue we’ve had more lately is we lost our style of play and just started trying to beat everyone else at there own teams

We play Korean dive or emea brawl the last few lans

[glass sleet]

Dallas fuel being in Korea lol

[sacred gulch]

it really sucked how shitty the first dallas fuel roster turned out to be

too much memes