esports-discussion

[reef seal]

What happened to my game man

[winged steppe]

still disappointing games

[floral ice]

Fr?

[winged steppe]

they played like dogs

[reef seal]

Lip doesn’t have a ring in jeez

Ow2*

He does in ow1

[floral ice]

Oh okk

[glass sleet]

The best players can’t play sym. If the best suck at the hero that means they’re not good enough to play her. It’s like people trying to pick up Thor’s hammer. You’re not worthy

[winged steppe]

proper was legit not him

[reef seal]

Idk why they didn’t want to play sym or dva

[graceful wigeon]

LBBD7 MY GOAT

[glass sleet]

They can’t

[reef seal]

Just found it so strange

They can play dva

[glass sleet]

Did you see hanbin on dva?

[reef seal]

The best dvas ever were Korean

[glass sleet]

Or Jasmine on dva

[floral ice]

Sym is just such a weird pick

[grave python]

Last chance for Al Qad

[reef seal]

Let’s not talk about that guy

🤣

[glass sleet]

Hanbin went 1-8 on dva

[reef seal]

Ye he’s a bum

[slate parcel]

they need to replace checkmate

[reef seal]

Merit worse tho

[floral ice]

Its fair that best player does not master her

[glass sleet]

He’s the best Korean dva…

[slate parcel]

koreans dont have the sym gene

[bitter summit]

kellex broooo

[glass sleet]

Ofc

[slate parcel]

they need to find an arab to replace him

[winged steppe]

checkmate the only reason

they are up so far

[reef seal]

Rn ye

[floral ice]

Let my man checkmate play

He so goated

[reef seal]

He’s so good

[slate parcel]

sym is

[winged steppe]

yea

he plays sym

u don't find a lot of brainlets that enjoy this hero

[slate parcel]

he either needs to go transgender or like boys and get the passive lgbtq sym buff if he wants to compete with youbi tho

[silent pike]

😭😭😭

[floral ice]

Hanbin has always been best dva

Choyhobin was even with him tho

[winged steppe]

see how falcons a saudi team is not playing stalk3r

#noticing

[crisp prairie]

i didnt watch finals

[reef seal]

Choi better I fear

[reef seal]

Fairs

[silent pike]

I miss Choi

[floral ice]

I just feel like the game is become messier

[graceful wigeon]

youbi such a bum

al qadsiah got this!

[floral ice]

Choi brought a lot, I understand his retirement

[dense dune]

hmm

[reef seal]

It’s becoming more unbalanced imo

If tm can just perma ban dva they win

No joke

[graceful wigeon]

gg

[humble token]

GG

[bitter summit]

Quartz is too op

[humble token]

TVNT

Insane

[graceful wigeon]

it's time to kill symmetra

[mental vine]

GG

4-1 TM LETS GOOO

[weary scarab]

YOUBIIIIIII

[reef seal]

Youbi ring wtf 🤣

[slate thunder]

TM GOAT

TM GOAT

[grave python]

GG TM

[wise orbit]

look at them so happy

this is wholesome ❤️

[slate thunder]

hes perma beating checkmate on ult charge

like

[mental vine]

LETS GOOOOO

[dense dune]

welp

[slate thunder]

are we rly flaming him

[mental vine]

TM GOATTT

[slate thunder]

i just cant see how people think hes bad

[reef seal]

Cuz he can only play sym?

[slate thunder]

he hasnt lost to koreans when on tracer either

[half pendant]

LMFFFFAOOOO

[dense dune]

GG, that series was a thrashing

[glass sleet]

LETS GO TWISTED MINDS

[silent pike]

AHHH TWISTED MINDS ARE THE 2025 OWCS CHAMPIONS

EMEA ON TOP

[floral ice]

GG

[graceful wigeon]

netanyoubi bribing blizzard gg

[reef seal]

He didn’t do anything in those games dude like

[slate thunder]

@reef seal

[reef seal]

😭

[mental vine]

u mean 2025 OWCS champions

[floral ice]

4-1 that's sad final score

[glass sleet]

Alqad gets second place twice

[reef seal]

Youbi is rlly good at sym that’s it

[reef seal]

Same score as last time right

[bitter summit]

i refuse to give that guy any credit

[reef seal]

They lost 4-1 lmao

[floral ice]

Twice?

[slate parcel]

he should be mvp imo

[bitter summit]

all quartz

[glass sleet]

They got second in EWC too

[slate parcel]

idk tho coz quartz also just thanos

[glass sleet]

Alqad gonna be the new China

[slate parcel]

but holy shit hes so good at his tps

[reef seal]

Same scoreline too iirc

[cursive temple]

thats crazy

[glass sleet]

No they lost 4-0 to falcons

[reef seal]

Ye he’s rlly good at sym

But that hero is so broken

[wise orbit]

youbi forcing seicoe to lift it

top 5 respect moments

[reef seal]

W !

[slate thunder]

he is the reaosn they won but itll be quartz or fastro i think

[cursive temple]

im a tm fan now

[reef seal]

So will blizzard nerf sym or nah

[slate parcel]

my man nearly dropped the cup

yo chill

[reef seal]

Another 10 microbuffs incoming

[glass sleet]

I really want that seicoe hoodie

[winged steppe]

obv

[bitter summit]

theyre all weak gamers so no height when throwing

[winged steppe]

so they hard buff her

the next tournament

[glass sleet]

Who’s that guy? In black

[winged steppe]

seicoe?

[reef seal]

Smart play

[glass sleet]

THE GUY IN BLACK

[winged steppe]

the asian?

their coach

[cursive temple]

yeah

[glass sleet]

Simple is simply the best support

[reef seal]

Glad quartz won at least he deserves a ring. Immense player

[glass sleet]

Fy merit

[weary scarab]

theydont have a coach

[winged steppe]

seicoe is their coach

[grave python]

Why do they put a random song for the victory in a grand final

[winged steppe]

quartz lip n proper only humans active in this tournament

proper is debatable lowk

[wise orbit]

what did he say

[glass sleet]

No he’s not

[winged steppe]

prove it

[slate parcel]

youbi just a silly shy guy

[bitter summit]

TM is a collectivist society

[mental vine]

FUNNYASTROOOO

[wise orbit]

evil region 😭

[cursive temple]

☠️

[glass sleet]

Yeah who’s the Asian guy in the back

[dense dune]

EMEA is Evil now?

[glass sleet]

Yeah

The antagonists

[bitter summit]

my humble king quartz

[dense dune]

damn 😭

[cursive temple]

i lwk dont know what theyre saying

[wise orbit]

yes we're not playing dive only

[glass sleet]

See that seicoe hoodie

It’s so clean

[grave python]

I never understand Saudis ppl when they speak english

[last kelp]

HOW MANY FRNCH PEOPLE HAVE WON OWCS????

0!!!

HOW MANY ENGLISH

1!!!!

[glass sleet]

Just replace every P with B and you understand

[floral ice]

Quartz mvp

[reef seal]

Hating on French? I fuck with it

[bitter summit]

0 welshman gg

[cursive temple]

my goat quartz

[bitter summit]

actually afaik i might be wrong

[winged steppe]

worst worlds ive seen

[reef seal]

Don’t you mean British? (Joke)

[winged steppe]

lowk

[floral ice]

Lol

[last kelp]

mad BC NA

[reef seal]

No the only eu players who have won as starters won this current tourney

[winged steppe]

i love america

[reef seal]

He’s European

[wise orbit]

korea is dead

[glass sleet]

Quartz finally wins MVP

[last kelp]

idk I'm just hating

[cursive temple]

korea crying

[wise orbit]

theres a new gap

[humble token]

Lol

[glass sleet]

He should’ve won mvp in OWWC. But for some reason they didn’t have MVP THAT one year

[winged steppe]

youbi winning means everyone can win

[humble token]

2 things can be concluded

[reef seal]

Just buff broken heroes

Mashallah

[wise orbit]

ok lets not act like youbi is not good at the game

[winged steppe]

hes not

[last kelp]

cope cope cope

[humble token]

Quartz is the goat and simple and tvnt need to hit the gym

[reef seal]

He’s only good at sym?

[winged steppe]

drone off sym

[wise orbit]

what

[winged steppe]

his tracer is yeetus lvl

[reef seal]

Cook

[reef seal]

LMAO

[wise orbit]

he won stockholm wdym cope

[glass sleet]

No don’t. They need to lose weight

[last kelp]

who else hit a pulse on heesang and chorong?

with one pulse?

[wise orbit]

hes better than your favorite korean fdps lol

[reef seal]

At sym

[last kelp]

I mosread

[glass sleet]

Tm beat CR falcons and t1 twice

[winged steppe]

stalk3r?

[glass sleet]

They deserve the win stfu y’all

[reef seal]

They’ve been the best this tourney fair play to them

Sym is still op though

[winged steppe]

never forgive

[reef seal]

As shown in ranked ladder metrics

[winged steppe]

when daddy was active the saudis were not

[glass sleet]

Koreans need to pick her up

[mental vine]

GGS everyone see yall next year's season The future of OWCS looks VERY bright

[reef seal]

Ye they do

[winged steppe]

can't wait for dallas

to play pge stalk3r

[humble token]

Its koreans fault for not playing her

[glass sleet]

The only Korean who’s actually really good on sym is in emea lol

[reef seal]

Fully agreed

[reef seal]

Ye ik

[winged steppe]

koreans are more respectable cuz they don't play sym

[glass sleet]

Korean teams might think about picking up checkmate just in case sym is meta lol

[weary scarab]

if korea dont pick up checkmate on their roster for world cup. they are smoking

[glass sleet]

[wise orbit]

bro sym is skillful

[winged steppe]

...

[weary scarab]

yeah they just play mauga meta during every other lan

[wise orbit]

sym comps are hard to pull off

[winged steppe]

god lbess korea

[glass sleet]

Holy. You’re such a hater lol

[reef seal]

Koreans have so many players to choose for that so. It depends on what meta it is for World Cup

[glass sleet]

It’s just gonna be falcons

[weary scarab]

atleast have him as a third dps

[humble token]

Sym is pretty skilled comp

[wise orbit]

fking korea propaganda is making ppl think dive is the only skill comp

[weary scarab]

lip, stalker checkmate

would be strong

[reef seal]

Proper is better than checkmate ngl

[humble token]

Facts

[reef seal]

Even though checkmate is very good

[glass sleet]

It’s so cringe these smooth brains think that and believe it

[wise orbit]

i'd like to see cr do what tm and alqad did

[glass sleet]

BRO

[reef seal]

Sym is hard but she’s op

Dive is still a harder composition

[glass sleet]

WHERE THE FUCK IS QUARTZ MVP TROPHY

[winged steppe]

cr doesn't have sym players

[reef seal]

I don’t think that’s very arguable

[humble token]

There is none

Wtf

[glass sleet]

THEY GAVE JUNBIN A PORCHE WATCH. GIVE QUARTZ HIS COLOGNE

[humble token]

Give him mvp troaphy

[glass sleet]

This is so bullshit

[winged steppe]

can't wait for pge next year to win

[glass sleet]

He finally wins mvp and he doesn’t get anything for it

[reef seal]

Nah it’s gonna be Saudi favored metas

[winged steppe]

nah

its gonna dallas

[glass sleet]

Proper got 10k last major for being mvp

[reef seal]

We ain’t gonna see a dive meta again lol

[winged steppe]

signing stalk3r n pge

w jamal on doom tank

[pallid pebble]

YOUBI YOUBI YOUBI

[glass sleet]

Btw

[glass sleet]

I told you. The winner of upper finals is losing grand finals

[reef seal]

Ur lowkey right wtf

[glass sleet]

That shit always happens

[mental vine]

https://x.com/OWCEsports/status/1995176494096875803

Cavalry Esports (@OWCEsports)

Making the difference all tournament long, @owquartz earns the title of #OWCS World Finals MVP 👑

X · Nov 30, 2025, 5:01 PM

[reef seal]

Lowkey ziyad a dva otp

[glass sleet]

What does he get for it?

[glass sleet]

He beat CR playing ram but why is he otping against tm

Smh

[mental vine]

idk prob a mini trophy or title

maybe a ring

[reef seal]

Tvnt canyon

[weary scarab]

i know junkbuck wouldve loved to have that owcs win on his resume

[humble token]

Ye

[reef seal]

Imagine if eu or na won a monkey meta worlds

That would be so funny

[glass sleet]

That’s so bs

[humble token]

Junkbuck about to give ziyad a beating

[glass sleet]

Fuck Stockholm for not giving quartz anything

Give him a Jersey at least damn

[last kelp]

didn't quartez get MVP

[bitter summit]

ye

[glass sleet]

He did but he didn’t get anything for it

[last kelp]

oh shame

[glass sleet]

Yeah

He deserves something fr

[humble token]

TVNT has a ring but not junbin

🤣

[wise orbit]

disguised toast winning everything next year

[teal hare]

So how’d the games go I’m guessing tm won

[humble token]

REGION POWER RANKINGS:
EMEA>KOREA>CHINA>NA>JAPAN>PASIFIC

[teal hare]

Was it at least closer then 4-1

[wise orbit]

yea

[teal hare]

This stage hea

[wise orbit]

it was 4-1

[glass sleet]

Btw merit doesn’t have a ring

[humble token]

It was just quartz lobby admin

[humble token]

He does but not ow2

Or i mean

Not owcs

[glass sleet]

Not OWCS

[wise orbit]

I lowkey need vp to win everything next year icl

[humble token]

Vp needs to lock in

[glass sleet]

Damn like they didn’t even qualify to lan. Can you give them something a bit more realistic?

Autocorrect is so stupid

[wise orbit]

bru anything is possible

youbi got a ring

[glass sleet]

True

[pseudo rover]

youbi ring before shu finna make me lose it bra

[humble token]

Idk bro, ig youbi is better

[wise orbit]

i think hes retiring too but im not sure

lip too

[pseudo rover]

relaxxxx

[wise orbit]

according to @reef seal he is

[slate parcel]

he is rn

[humble token]

What team was simple in before tm

[wise orbit]

idk some random korean team

[humble token]

I lowkey forgot

[weary scarab]

quartz got mvp

[wise orbit]

he was on team vision apparently

[humble token]

Has anyone else in tm ever gotten mvp

[wise orbit]

no idea how that team manages to sign such insane players all the time

while being like a relegation team

[reef seal]

Diff roles

Youbi is the best at sym

[wise orbit]

is tvnt better than junbin

[reef seal]

This tournament he was

In terms of player quality no

[wise orbit]

but he has a ring

[teal hare]

Oh
Wow

[wise orbit]

heh

[reef seal]

He does yes

[humble token]

Junbin has no ring

[bitter summit]

what was ur favourite map gang

[reef seal]

Yep he doesn’t

[wise orbit]

hehe

[reef seal]

Junbin is a fraud sadly

Tvnt is not

[pseudo rover]

stoppppp

[wise orbit]

no junbin is better lets be serious

its js that rings dont matter

[teal hare]

Tm vs t1 or cr vs flc
Like the only good games past day 1

[pseudo rover]

bad finals meta for cr 2 years in a row bro shi happens

[reef seal]

I just stated the best players win rings

And that’s true

In any sport

[wise orbit]

so why hasnt cr won a ring yet

[reef seal]

Bc they didn’t play the op sym comp

[humble token]

Rings are overrated

[reef seal]

They threw

Simple as that

[humble token]

I am be honest

[teal hare]

Rings only one tournament per year so as impressive as this is to win it

Cr overall has a much better track record

[wise orbit]

yea

[pseudo rover]

ong

[reef seal]

Ppl don’t consider you good until you win trophies

Simple as that ngl

I’m an Arsenal fan so I see that discourse all the time

[teal hare]

You can also just not care about what the people who don’t know shit day though

[humble token]

Like ppl thought merit was better than quartz cuz he has a freaking ring

[reef seal]

That’s also true

But there is a certain logic to it

[bitter summit]

[reef seal]

He’s not right now

In 2023 yes

[reef seal]

It’s ok this is our season mashallah

[teal hare]

From now on having debates on who’s individually better might become easier cause cr and flc aren’t just “yes but they always win” the teams

[bitter summit]

ull win this match atleast lol

[teal hare]

As much as youbi might have the title of worst overall player to have a ring

[reef seal]

I’m rlly confident in a title this season. Idk about UCL but we’re clearly the best in epl

[glass sleet]

I meant he deserves something for being mvp

[reef seal]

Not even December yet tho

[weary scarab]

oh

[reef seal]

Ye he does for sure

[weary scarab]

i didnt even see him getting mvp

[reef seal]

But he has a ring so it’s funny

As a starter that is

[pseudo rover]

tbh i dont een think this change much in power rankings except quartz ngl

[reef seal]

I think haksal has like

Two rings or something

But never played a single game

[humble token]

U mean whoru

[teal hare]

I think we can finally stop downplaying quartz being the best soj

[reef seal]

Oh ye that guy

Oops

[humble token]

Bro has any tm member gotten mvp besides quartz

[reef seal]

Meant one of the genji players

[reef seal]

He’s the best rn for sure

[teal hare]

I don’t think so but quartz is there carry

[reef seal]

^ the comp is centered around giving quartz the most space

So he can kill 1-2

Or more

[teal hare]

Mhm
Same way proper is falcons carry but more around “we weaken them so when we all die proper can kill 3”

[reef seal]

Ye

But falcons is way more well rounded especially when stalker is in

The emphasis on tm is to make quartz the carry; and obviously it works

Proper doesn’t play those carry heroes rlly

Like I think hitscan/soj is just naturally easier to do big dmg with

[balmy wolf]

So happy for TM

And especially quartz

The gap is closed

[magic birch]

not happy for anyone

peps got robbed clearly

[cyan hazel]

I'm gonna crash out

[quartz cairn]

I think they just can’t play sym

[cyan hazel]

Time for 5 more years of being a depressed T1 fan

[quartz cairn]

Also the Korean supports getting picked by quartz every fight

Shu swinging on Ana like a madman

[cyan hazel]

I'm quitting the owcs scene

[wise orbit]

Bro WHO are u 😭

[mental vine]

look at this XD

LMFAOOOOO

[reef seal]

Nah they can’t

[mental vine]

pretty much sums it up

[mortal cipher]

What is the horse representing???

[wise orbit]

bro whoever made tvnt eat a burger in this is evil

[reef seal]

Just watch league bro

[mental vine]

team liquid

[reef seal]

T1 own that game

[mortal cipher]

I kinda figured

T1 has like 6 worlds wins and 3 of those are in a row

[mental vine]

cuz he ATE the tournament

and left no crumbs

[wise orbit]

he ate more than that 💀

[mortal cipher]

It’s funny how only T1 and AQ gave TM any push or struggle

[cyan hazel]

They don't have skewed

[mortal cipher]

But they have the T1 circus and the goat of esports as a whole

[wise orbit]

tm wasnt as locked in i presume

t1 got 3-0ed by cr later

[cyan hazel]

T1 should've won

[wise orbit]

they're not that good of a team honestly

[cyan hazel]

#riggedasfuck

[mortal cipher]

Should’ve but tm adapted

[wise orbit]

overrated as fuck

[pseudo rover]

ong

[mortal cipher]

T1 is also a new young team so this Was good for a new young team honestly

[cyan hazel]

Anyway frick owcs I'm only watching vct and fncs

[wise orbit]

are they even that young

[mortal cipher]

Ye

The oldest is probably skewed

[cyan hazel]

My GOAT

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[cyan hazel]

name a better main support

[wise orbit]

zest apparently

[mortal cipher]

Probably only shu

[mortal cipher]

Ah i figured it was one if the two

[wise orbit]

zest vigi and skewed aren't that young the rest are like 19 or 20

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[cyan hazel]

Zest more like unc

[mortal cipher]

Exactly my point it’s a new team that’s also petty young

[cyan hazel]

#stalk3rtot1

[wise orbit]

yea not young like tl but still kinda

[cyan hazel]

TL should've done something

[mortal cipher]

Possible

[wise orbit]

they can't they're too bad at the game

[mortal cipher]

Didn’t Viper play more than zest this tourney ???

[cyan hazel]

They really shouldn't be

[mortal cipher]

I saw a comment say T1 struggled against TL like lol

[wise orbit]

they're na its pretty obvious they will be heh

[humble token]

TRUTH NUKE

[cyan hazel]

Infekted > Any EU tank (maybe not at Dva)

[mortal cipher]

NA is becoming like league lol

[wise orbit]

emea on tob

[cyan hazel]

Zeruhh > Seicoe imo

[mortal cipher]

Hmm

[pseudo rover]

carried by middle east lowkey

[humble token]

Tvnt solos infekted

[wise orbit]

best winston but still ass, maybe best ball

that's abt it

[cyan hazel]

Best orisa, good ram, good hero n pool

[wise orbit]

not best orisa

[cyan hazel]

TVNT ain't done shit for 2 straight stages

[cyan hazel]

Who's better?

[wise orbit]

any eu tank

[cyan hazel]

Entirely disagree

[wise orbit]

cope

[humble token]

Good hero pool but aint elite at anything

[wise orbit]

yep

[humble token]

Thats na to summerize

[cyan hazel]

Winston and Ball

[humble token]

They aint dominant at anything

[wise orbit]

he is not elite at winston

[humble token]

Junbin says hi

[wise orbit]

i think his ball is pretty good tho

[humble token]

Hanbin is a better winston than infekted

[wise orbit]

yep

[cyan hazel]

Junbin is obviously better but we're talking about western tanks

[wise orbit]

i think most korean tanks have a better winston than him

[humble token]

His ball is def his best

Ram is decent

I just think tr33 is overrated

[wise orbit]

junbin, donghak, hanbin, mealgaru, heiser, someone

[humble token]

Zeruhh is good tho

[wise orbit]

i think they're all better at winston than infekted

[humble token]

Zeruhh was doing good against proper

[balmy wolf]

Ranking of the regions :

1. Korea (still)
2. Emea (besides tm and aqs the rest is still mid)
   TIER BREAK
3. China
   TIER BREAK
4. Na
5. Japan

[wise orbit]

maybe even bums like mag or farmer lol

[humble token]

Tier break by china maybe harsh

[balmy wolf]

Farmer might’ve become an actual farmer irl now what does he do lol

[wise orbit]

idk

[balmy wolf]

I love China but they only really got Weibo who are really good

Team cc is up and coming

[humble token]

If this list is entire 2025 then na would prob be third

[balmy wolf]

I guess so

But this showing was pathetic except for Liquid

[wise orbit]

tier break between china and emea sure but between na is a bit harsh

[teal hare]

Yea
China only has the one team but other then this lan have preformed so badly overall they lost a seat

[humble token]

Mm geekay had a decent game against t1

[wise orbit]

i dont think weibo is that much better than teams like tl or geekay

[teal hare]

China and na are kinda neck and neck this year while the other two major regions laugh it up

[humble token]

I dont think they better tbh since they had a easier bracket than geekay

[balmy wolf]

I think tl is the best of na and its a coin toss vs China I’d say

Vs Weibo

I meant

[humble token]

But gotta put china higher this tournment still

[wise orbit]

yea so not a tier break between them tbh

and na has more depth than china under the top team

[balmy wolf]

You’re right

[teal hare]

The only real tier break should be for japan/pacific

[mortal cipher]

Rn China only has one team, but eventually theyll get better

[balmy wolf]

However if China can have more than two teams that can play overwatch I think I might reconsider

[balmy wolf]

No no Korea and emea rn are definitely better than the rest

[teal hare]

I meant for the China-pacific section

[balmy wolf]

Yes , team cc looked good for what they are

[balmy wolf]

Yeah I think I would agree actually

[wise orbit]

team cc is pretty good

[balmy wolf]

Yeah

Thought so too

[wise orbit]

they're making it close when they play wbg

[balmy wolf]

I think Japan and China will improve a lot next seaosn

[mortal cipher]

yeah so if like say 3 China teams can be competitive outside of Weibo Gaming i think China could become the second or 3rd best team

[wise orbit]

recently

[wise orbit]

yep

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[wise orbit]

japan is a sleeper region

[mortal cipher]

Varrel about beat Falcons so they are getting there

[humble token]

Japan has potential

[wise orbit]

there's a lot of love for the game there

and they have a competitive culture

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[balmy wolf]

True , for now it will be good if Team CC can grow and even win series off of Weibo

[mortal cipher]

Japan isnt known so much for their Multiplayer games more so the fighting Genre

[mortal cipher]

or another team at least

[humble token]

They good at clash of clans and brawl stars

[mortal cipher]

maybe another big Chinese org

[mortal cipher]

oh tru

[wise orbit]

also it probably helps that they're so close to korea for scrims and stuff

[balmy wolf]

They haven’t announced China’s partners teams right

[mortal cipher]

they are more known for like Smash Tekken Street Fighter etc

[mortal cipher]

no, but my guess is either Weibo Gaming or another big Chinese Org or one of the three OWL chinese teams ( this is more cope than it being reality )

[balmy wolf]

I would be hyped for a Chengdu return lmao

Sign ameng

[wise orbit]

imagine c9 came back to overwatch as london spitfire instead of team peps that would've been tuff

[mortal cipher]

Oh i forgot about Chengdu Hunters then thats 4 Chinese org possible

but if any of them its probably Hangzhou Spark since its Parent Company is BiliBili Gaming ( BLG )

[balmy wolf]

True…a London team full of players from historic enemies would be funny tho

London full of French and Spanish players

[mortal cipher]

imagine C9's first game and they C9 lol

[wise orbit]

lolol

[balmy wolf]

I think NA cannot rely on imports anymore tbh

[wise orbit]

the owl branding was so tuff

[mortal cipher]

i legit thought when they did the french speaking it was gonna be Team Vitality

[balmy wolf]

Its not competitive enough and the money is in Saudi

[balmy wolf]

Did they ever compete in ow?

I know vitality is big in rcl

[balmy wolf]

This is my only complaint tbh city names were just so cool

[mortal cipher]

i dont remember it was just the first french team i could think of outside of Karmine Corp

mascots as well

[mental vine]

so we can ALL agree that whoever wins lower bracket finals wins world championship?

Falcons did it last year

and Twisted Minds did it this year

[mortal cipher]

Falcons actually didn’t

They beat CR in upper and CR had go through lower and still lost 4-1

[mental vine]

oh yea mb

[mortal cipher]

All good

[grave python]

What did you think about OWCS 2025 overrall

It was 1000x better than 2024

It went very fast

[humble token]

Def better

2024 was mid

Ewc and this lan was very good

Like 2024 the best thing was violt2 ajax

[grave python]

I agree

EWC was peak

[humble token]

China lan was good to

[reef seal]

Rlly trash gameplay tbh in general

Wasn’t that fun to watch

TM clearly the best

[grave python]

What

[reef seal]

The quality of gameplay wasn’t that good

There were many many mistakes being made constantly

Koreans were so bad it was funny

Rattled by youbi’s aura idk

[grave python]

I see

I loved this year honestly

I'm looking forward to 2026

[reef seal]

I’m just glad Koreans lost

Tbh

But I think the quality of gameplay can be way higher is my point

[grave python]

I feel like 2026 will go very quickly

[reef seal]

Like the pro scene is very unoptimized

So many mistakes being made constantly

Micro and macro wise

[grave python]

Yeah for the first time of OW esports history we have EMEA in grand final

[reef seal]

Yea

[grave python]

You mean prod was bad ?

[reef seal]

The best Koreans were the ones on non Koreans team

[reef seal]

Nono

I meant like the gameplay of the teams themselves

[grave python]

Mb mb xd

[reef seal]

It was really poor

Like everything else was fine

I just muted casting cuz idc

Btw this isn’t a slight on tm winning i just think everyone wasn’t very good except for certain players

[grave python]

Alright

I hope you'll love next year

[reef seal]

I just hope the player quality is better across the board

Next time

And I hope korea does not win again lol

[reef seal]

W ego, deserved

He’s been the best player in this tourney by far. Immense player

[humble token]

I mean he proved his ego

[reef seal]

Agreed

Rightfully so

[humble token]

Vp needs to lock in

Next year

[grave python]

Quartz is best player

[humble token]

There were way to many c9s

[grave python]

I hope I'll go to world finals next year

[reef seal]

Not only that, so many mistakes in general too if you paid attention from everyone

[humble token]

A lot of random deaths

Like falcons last fight on dorado was so bad

[grave python]

It's funny that Junbin tried to make Reinhardt work again

[reef seal]

Yep

[grave python]

Falcons were so bad

[humble token]

Fielder kitsune on poin when no one was there

[reef seal]

It was funny seeing pharmercy work vs tm lmfao

Game isn’t real

[reef seal]

Ye like horrid mistakes perma

Hence why I said gameplay was awful

[pseudo rover]

i dont get why we aint just stick with it if it worked so good

[cosmic socket]

i feel like koreans have the worst mentals oat

[grave python]

It's pretty crazy when I think that we had Mauga meta last year and we got Pharah Mercy today in OWCS

[reef seal]

Mercy got banned but pharah is very map specific

[cosmic socket]

like they lose one and they immediately lose all their aura

[reef seal]

Ye agreed

[reef seal]

They couldn’t deal with sym and threw vs no reason when sym was banned lmao

[pseudo rover]

oh shi, sucks they found the answer to the sym bs too late

[humble token]

They didnt try to learn sym

[cosmic socket]

it really is sym yeah

[humble token]

They should have learned for ewc

[cosmic socket]

like they just look like a deer in headlights playing into even basic sym gameplay

emea is just so ahead on that hero

[reef seal]

Ye the sym gameplay is inane

She does need a nerf but she’s just so good in pro play

Free insta rotate on a cd and an ult that blocks off half the map

That hero will always not be bad

[humble token]

I mean its a team hero

[reef seal]

Yep

[cosmic socket]

i mean how do you even nerf that

ig just put to on a billion sec cd

[grave python]

Fr

[humble token]

Sym hp nerf

[reef seal]

Make tp require longer to setup or fully rework

[humble token]

250 hp

[reef seal]

Like her kit is just insane

[reef seal]

Wouldn’t change anything

[humble token]

Wasnt it 250 atp

[reef seal]

Doesn’t matter ngl

That’s not the nerf she needs

[paper totem]

Wow lip really losing his throne

[humble token]

Maybe

[paper totem]

No longer best hitscan

[humble token]

I feel like slower tp would crush the charchter

[paper totem]

This grand finals didn’t feel as exciting tho I’m ngl

[reef seal]

Well it isn’t fair having an instant rotate on a simple button press

[humble token]

Maybe a little slower for enemy to react

[reef seal]

It’s also 100 hp too

Nerf the hp on it, nerf time to set up, don’t allow unlimited access in tp, etc etc

Many ways to fix it

[humble token]

Ye tp is pretty tanky

[paper totem]

CR really had no way to handle the sym

[mortal cipher]

At least worlds was better

[paper totem]

I’m suprised they forced Ana brig into it for so long

[reef seal]

They’re just trolls

Ana brig is awful vs a comp that can insta go on you

[paper totem]

CR doesn’t always do well when forced out of their comfort

[humble token]

I mean in theory ana can get a lot of value but dva exist

[paper totem]

Was it same for anyone else tho

This finals not exciting

[humble token]

Eh was better than falcons vs al qad but wasnt as good as I hoped for

Wanted map 7

[grave python]

I agree

[paper totem]

Lip just disappointed me

[grave python]

I hated world finals last year

[paper totem]

CR usually doesn’t crumble like that

I think they needed to adapt their strategy more

[mortal cipher]

I don’t think it was lip he tried to do everything he could

[humble token]

I think they need to learn sym

[paper totem]

Asia regional finals last year was insane

[mortal cipher]

But he could only do so much

[paper totem]

What’s even started this sym meta

[mortal cipher]

Last year felt like 3 days

[grave python]

Well it was 3 days

[mortal cipher]

Where this was at least a week

[mortal cipher]

Yeah this was at least a week

[humble token]

Feels like they should have started learning after ewc

[grave python]

This time was 5 days

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[grave python]

But yeah I think they need to improve the format

Like

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[grave python]

16 teams for world finals would be peak

[paper totem]

Did sym get buff?

[grave python]

They can do a similar format to EWC but double elim instead of single

[mortal cipher]

4 Korea 4 China 3 NA and EU and 2 for minor region

[humble token]

She got a minor buff i think

[mortal cipher]

If they can get to that number

[humble token]

She was still strong even with the perk gone tho

Tvnt and simple should start hitting the gym

[grave python]

We'll see where they'll make live event

I've heard that World Finals should go to Stockholm again but I hope not

[teal hare]

why would there be 4 china

[grave python]

Aren't teams partner going to Seoul in February ?

[mortal cipher]

That’s how others have it Korea and China get 4 seeds

[cosmic socket]

im interested to see how the new na partner teams are gonna go

cuz we only have enough talent for 3 decent teams

[mortal cipher]

For now at least

[teal hare]

but why would they here when emea at the minimum deserves it way more

[cosmic socket]

i would assume that one would pick up ntmrs roster but they already announced their roster for next year

[mortal cipher]

This in the future not current status if we get to a point where we can afford that much

[weary scarab]

https://x.com/Iqmighty/status/1995121415817761270?s=20

Valen 🎶🦦 (@Iqmighty)

Majed pretending he’s sad about falcons losing so he doesn’t get fired

X · Nov 30, 2025, 1:23 PM

[humble token]

LOL

Anyone know how to join lips discord server

Ok nvm found it

[glass sleet]

“Just ego peak them”

And

“Pocket me, I’ll kill everyone”

[chilly field]

can you send

i wanna be in the 6’5 gaming warlords discord

[round atlas]

Why does overwatch mostly need flex supports and rivals doesn't need them?

[cyan hazel]

Because rivals competitive scene and their starting hero roster mean that defining those roles is difficult because

Also like. Every hero does ridiculous amounts of healing

[lusty flint]

anyone been experiencing bugs with the rewards lately?

[round atlas]

Do you have any other thoughts?

[teal hare]

The game kinda fundamentally isn’t the same
Comps don’t only have 2 supports
Most players can play anyone really

[round atlas]

hm

[teal hare]

Like why have the classification of main and flex support if your supports are gonna all be able to play the full cast of supports if they’re good

[errant karma]

YESSS FUEL IS BACK FUCK YEAH

they better get topdragon import

fuel about to show these noob teams how its done

[grave python]

I hope more orgs next year

[mortal cipher]

hopefully

maybe more next year and this is just Partner Orgs and we get big name orgs

[mortal cipher]

i did hear DRX has an Overwatch part now

[grave python]

What if Sentinels joins OWCS after leaving MR

[grave python]

Fr ?

[mortal cipher]

yeah it might just be a training but its there

[mortal cipher]

they went to League

[grave python]

They've been in League for years

[mortal cipher]

not rlly not since like 2017 or 18

[grave python]

Yeah idk

I'd love to see Sentinels in OWCS

[mortal cipher]

maybe

[errant karma]

these are just partners yeah

they'll be more teams besides

[mortal cipher]

yeah so GenG prob is still just not Partner ( guessing they went back to Korea )

[humble token]

Ok

[grave python]

I hope so

[mortal cipher]

prob will

[meager silo]

I hope and pray fuel pick up edison

get this guy out of japan

[errant karma]

i want them to save topdragon

they always like to pick up fan favourites for hype

like when they permabenched pine

or they could save stalk3r

that would be awesome

[grave python]

Would be peak

[cosmic socket]

does anyone know when his contract with falcons is up?

[winged steppe]

end of the year i think

[mortal cipher]

hes technically not even on the roster

[edgy crown]

It's either this year or next year

[robust patio]

GG

TM

alr back to sleep

[edgy crown]

I hope CR picks them up after LIPs retirement

[pure bramble]

TN won? 😔

[errant karma]

is dsg owned by toast?

also pge hinting about coming of retirement but i think the lad is washed

[edgy crown]

Why everyone hating on TM

Saying "They only won bcz the meta favoured them" and "It was a fluke"

[errant karma]

i mean the meta did favour them alot

[edgy crown]

Well yeah

But the meta has always favoured the Korean teams

So how's that different?

[errant karma]

korean teams play honest overwatch not sym and bullshit

[edgy crown]

They would if they knew how to play sym 🤷

[grave python]

TM and QAD were pretty strong people are ragebaiting

Also Junkbuck did an amazing work for Al Qadsiah he really made this team one of the best team in the world

[edgy crown]

I personally

I expected al Q to win I felt their team was stronger not taking it away from TM at all. TM proved me wrong completely. And well quartz did quartz things.

[grave python]

Yeah it's well deserved for Quartz and TM

[edgy crown]

I would've liked to see more KSAA playtime though cant lie I love his style of tank play

[grave python]

I'm always thinking about Ziyad his journey is just unbelievable

[edgy crown]

Ziyad is hands down

The best dva

Rn

[grave python]

Ziyad was an unknow player and he had the chance to be a world champion

[edgy crown]

That's something no one can convince me differently off. It reminds me of prime emongg that's how good the DVA is

[edgy crown]

This year had alot of unknown talent show up

[grave python]

Him and TVNT will be playing for Saudi Arabia

I'm sure

[edgy crown]

Probably poor KSAA

[grave python]

True and it's great to see them shine

[edgy crown]

One I was keeping my eye on this year was xomba from sakura

His team didn't do too great but he was keeping up with the goats of NA on flex DPS but sakura is a young team with not alot of experience

Zeb was good too

[cyan hazel]

He's a one trick though

[edgy crown]

Yeah that's his only drawback I mean luckily he chose the one of best character to one trick...

I hope he learns the genji and the echo

[vestal spoke]

what does he play

tracer

[edgy crown]

Yeah

Tracer otp

[vestal spoke]

i mean

its not that bad

[edgy crown]

But he is very good at the craft

[vestal spoke]

tracer aint that bad

[edgy crown]

Tracer is always up there as one of the best characters

[vestal spoke]

shell always be hard meta no matter what

up there with genji

you need skill andi f you have it you can play well with her

🤷‍♂️

[edgy crown]

There is barely ever a meta which tracer can't be played

[vestal spoke]

through continuous nerfs theyll always be good

[edgy crown]

Tracer/genji is hard meta unless sym is meta

Which I guess she is rn

All we need now

Is a generation comeback from NA

[vestal spoke]

nearest airport

[edgy crown]

Pffft

They need to stop playing the weird hybrid comps

Just commit to dive or brawl

Not the weird ram dive comps

[pure bramble]

NA on top 🙌

[edgy crown]

On top of the most flights home list maybe

[pure bramble]

just wait till next year

trust

[edgy crown]

Sugarbron got it right surely

[pure bramble]

oh this is the ow server

I thought I was in ocie’s lol

[edgy crown]

Lol

[pure bramble]

NA has it rough

[edgy crown]

Sugarbron, PGE(out of retirement for whatever reason) and hawkenheimer going all the way

Wingstop guy gonna take it all the way

[pure bramble]

they lowkey could

Pge was top 3 in NA at one point

sucks that he didn’t wanna do it anymore

[edgy crown]

Umm, PGE did still want to do it but no team wanted him...

I fear he is of the washed variety

Isn't he a valorant and wingstop review streamer now who loves 67 and stuff

[pure bramble]

i think he was gonna be on an American ROC team but it fell through

[edgy crown]

Yeah Jamal didn't want his washed ahh

[pure bramble]

he was supposed to be on a team with Belosrea and Choisehwan.

[vestal spoke]

son

[pure bramble]

i think Jamal is busy with school 😭

[pure bramble]

no

[edgy crown]

Jamal (scissors) was on the team

[pure bramble]

BENCHED

[errant karma]

genuinely i think if he kept playing hed be the best widow/ashe outside of korea besides quartz

soj too

pges issue is he sucks at tracer and cass

wrong chat

none of us actually play the game

[errant karma]

not really he wanted to go into content

hes teasing coming back out

[edgy crown]

Maybe

You're forgetting a few hs tho

Ps lbbd7 and Tr33

[errant karma]

think hed have a better widow ash then those two

tr33 100%

lbbd7 is 50/50

wait

isnt lbbd7 fdps

i dont watch emea games and stockholm games happen at 3am for me idk

i feel like i remember him doing both fdps and hitscan

idk

[balmy hound]

Did KSAA play at all in this tournament?

[grave python]

Nah

[meager silo]

He plays hitscan on al qad but used to be a fdps when he was on tm

played pharah and maybe echo?

don't exactly remember

[edgy crown]

Lbbd7 is a pharah echo fdps

But his HS is better imo

[meager silo]

yeah I wasn't sure about the echo but I knew he played pharah

[errant karma]

right

[rustic forum]

how much longer will the rebroadcast be on?

[mortal cipher]

whenever the game ends

[robust patio]

Championship Timeline (2016–2025)

2016 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: South Korea 🇰🇷

2017 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: South Korea 🇰🇷

2018 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: South Korea 🇰🇷

2019 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: United States 🇺🇸

2020 – Overwatch League (Grand Finals)
Winner: San Francisco Shock (basically 🇰🇷)

2021 – Overwatch League (Grand Finals)
Winner: Shanghai Dragons (basically 🇰🇷)

2022 – Overwatch League (Grand Finals)
Winner: Dallas Fuel (basically 🇰🇷)

2023 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 (with korean 🇰🇷 coach)

2024 – Esports World Cup (Overwatch)
Winner: Crazy Raccoon (basically 🇰🇷)

2024 – OWCS Finals
Winner: Team Falcons (basically 🇰🇷)

2025 – Esports World Cup (Overwatch)
Winner: Team Falcons (basically 🇰🇷)

2025 – OWCS Finals
Winner: Twisted Minds (🇸🇦🇰🇷🇩🇪🇬🇧)

[dreamy flame]

If you missed some of the drops, when you re-watch do your drops reset

[robust patio]

nop

[vestal spoke]

https://tenor.com/view/bob-monsters-vs-aliens-blue-blue-blob-huh-gif-6366077418007324757

[cosmic socket]

eu on tob

[odd flax]

korean players fell off badly...im surprised only one made it to the finals

[vestal spoke]

bad meta

[loud hound]

owcs nerds explain this please

why is mercy in owcs

and being banned

ignore that its from skiesti this just came on my feed and was intrigued

[cosmic socket]

last ditch attempt from a bum region

[vestal spoke]

pharmercy was working for some reason

[loud hound]

interesting

[left glacier]

Question about the drops for the last day of finals.

I watched and claimed all of them but haven't received most of them, is that normal or is something wrong and I should be concerned

Does it take a while?

[vestal spoke]

takes a little bit

or your account isnt connected

🤷‍♂️

check if its the right acc

when i got my owcs drops for stage 2 it took them a day or 2 to arrive

[left glacier]

Ok thanks

[viscid hatch]

I think they were protecting kiri

[errant karma]

the gap has been bridged

[dreamy cave]

(Late asf) CR pulling out PHARA MERCY. I wish I brought a bingo card. Whats next??? Bastion????

[royal tundra]

You can consider it as a troll

Basically they didnt ban anything

[teal hare]

It’s called a protection ban when she’s banned
Same as Lw

Mercy being played however I can’t tell you at all but it was the only win cr had against tm

[teal hare]

Bastions played when the opponent plans on running a Zarya comp

[robust patio]

two gods together

[forest oak]

Chandelier bastion POG

He is very real

[stray quarry]

https://x.com/beepiiii/status/1995158502172684659?s=46

Bad Pachimari (@beepiiii)

Al Qad winning

X · Nov 30, 2025, 3:50 PM

[errant karma]

this guy

got insider sources

[viscid hatch]

He goes into the custom game and turns team 1s sliders up

[edgy crown]

Pharamercy does good against TM sym comp

However it's a map specialtu

[humble token]

Its only if dva ban exist

[edgy crown]

Or you go on a map like runasapi where the dva can't do much against the pharah but yeah DVA ban would still be a good idea

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure pharamercy 1 shots sym TP

That's the main reason it's good against the comp it can disturb the synergy leaving stragglers

[humble token]

Yeah

Dva blocks rocket tho

[edgy crown]

Yeah but she can only block 1 tp

[robust patio]

Championship Timeline (2016–2025)

2016 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: South Korea 🇰🇷

2017 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: South Korea 🇰🇷

2018 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: South Korea 🇰🇷

2019 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: United States 🇺🇸

2020 – Overwatch League (Grand Finals)
Winner: San Francisco Shock (basically 🇰🇷)

2021 – Overwatch League (Grand Finals)
Winner: Shanghai Dragons (basically 🇰🇷)

2022 – Overwatch League (Grand Finals)
Winner: Dallas Fuel (basically 🇰🇷)

2023 – Overwatch World Cup
Winner: Saudi Arabia 🇸🇦 (with korean 🇰🇷 coach)

2024 – Esports World Cup (Overwatch)
Winner: Crazy Raccoon (basically 🇰🇷)

2024 – OWCS Finals
Winner: Team Falcons (basically 🇰🇷)

2025 – Esports World Cup (Overwatch)
Winner: Team Falcons (basically 🇰🇷)

2025 – OWCS Finals
Winner: Twisted Minds (🇸🇦🇰🇷🇦🇹🇬🇧)

corrected version

[humble token]

Isnt seicoe austrian

[robust patio]

der

[slate thunder]

what do u think abt the take that fielder isnt top 3 fs players atm, i genuinely think its landon simple and shu (also checks out for results but thats not why)

[robust patio]

meh

simple yes

idk about landon

[slate thunder]

during the past tourney he had most heals in the tourney per minute

40% higher than 2nd place

and didnt lack on dmg compared to the others either

[robust patio]

he aintconsistent

if he does that for more than year

then ill agree

[slate thunder]

id say rn hes better regardless tbh, but maybe im wrong

[robust patio]

if he keeps up this play till next yr

then ye

[weary scarab]

https://x.com/ginkam0329/status/1995431267752726902?s=20

진감 GINKAM (@ginkam0329)

🗣️ A part of what JunBin wrote on his fan Discord:

“Personally, I’ve come to genuinely respect Twisted Minds and Al Qadsiah as professional players.

Thinking about how much work they must have put in to become this good in EMEA. It must’ve been such a tough journey.

So this

X · Dec 1, 2025, 9:54 AM

[pure bramble]

what about Landon

wait wrong team

[hazy marsh]

You're very much wrong

[hazy marsh]

OWL inaugural season + season 2?

[thorny gazelle]

TM is mainly Saudi though

[humble token]

Landon and simple better than fielder

Fielder didnt look so good

Shu still good tho

[robust patio]

if theres more than one , then it becomes international team

[humble token]

They arent like geekay tho

[grave python]

Geekay has like 3 europeans and one australian

Only one american

[humble token]

Ye its so dumb

[thorny gazelle]

Then team falcons also has one Saudi for their wins

[robust patio]

he was DNP

[thorny gazelle]

And can't remember owl teams but pretty sure SF shock 2020 wasn't fully Korean either

[robust patio]

and only one

[grave python]

I cannot see Geekay as an NA team

[humble token]

Like if geekay wins a ring i wouldnt count it NA winning

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the roster who won the finals were all korean

rest benched

from quals

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Yup

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2018 was all koreans the roster that won 2019 was 4 koreans + 2 americans

2020 was also 4 koreans + 2 americans

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lol

Didnt super play tho

In grand finals

Also rupal