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falcons been playing like they don’t care this tourney
shitty org
they dropped a map to fucking varrel
did Crusty show up and give Hanbin a little bit of snow?
hanbin 1-8 
It’s just a coach gap tbh. Alqad has the best coach
When do we admit saudi is stronger than korea
oh taht 1-3 looks so beautiful
hard team gap
would anything have changed if youbi was playing
it brings a tear to my eye
always good to see Al Qad give it to TM
Alqad finalists twice in a row btw
Yet the partner slot goes to peps somehow
peps was the zero to hero team, they deserved it
Saudi players carrying the west
No they didnt
Shitty team full of frenchies barely making their first finals
Just to flop
they’re fan favorites
same with Zeta
they still made it to finals
Alqad have made it to grand finals twice in a row
besides Peps is a pretty good org
yea cuz they have 2 swedish players and the tournament was in sweden lmfao it was basically their home lan
they’re great to their players
Peps and disguised being our new partnered orgs and losing geng that’s actually a real org hints that ow isn’t growing. No major org really wants us. Envy just doing it for the love of the game and they don’t mind losing money on the game. Which is a bad business decision.
Id rather have support for the lower powered teams than the ones getting success already
wait what? T1 CR Zeta Liquid SSG VP are still in the partners????
You want big orgs that invest in the scene. Peps don’t have the money to invest and they don’t do much anyway.
Peps isnt a serious org though
They just sign french players
Id rather a team thats going to continue to make finals get it
Its like giving dhillducks the partner slot unironically
as long as these saudi orgs keep pumping millions into the game i think we’ll be fine lol
comparing Dhillducks to Peps is CRAZY
Esports is a very bad business model
Hawk is so hot
Yeah but they’re here because they keep getting top two. They’re still around cuz they have the food players. New orgs can’t invest in rosters cuz there is no one good left. They join ow knowing they won’t be getting top 3. Tbh idk why zeta is still around. With there performance this year, they should’ve left but maybe they’re still here because they’ve had second highest sales
And ow isn’t a very big esport either
awful at tank though
lowkey what i think is going to happen next year
owcs skins for gen.g may or may not stay
We have 7 real orgs compared to other games that have 20
Hawk tauh
I think you're just into medium ugly white boys
it’s OWCS’ second year chill 😭
Avast quit streaming to work for DHL
Its not going to get bigger
Yeah and we only got one real org 
that’s fine
Whole year for one real org
And I’ll be shocked if they don’t leave next year
They’re not gonna make money or sustain
idk i think it’s kinda stupid to complain like this 😭
Who’s Adam savage?
Blizzard does 0 marketing
They could have a tab in game for esports
They don’t
They could sell skins for every team
Do they?
It doesn’t seem to be something that they care about
I don’t think it’s as simple as that
That’s why TD left. KOI
Compare it to league
So many people know about it and they don’t watch pro play
The majority of ow players have 0 clue there’s an esport
Yep
And ow doesn’t have big streamers either for that matter
remember that Activision Blizzard got acquired by Microsoft for 68 billion dollars
They made 30 million just buy champions bundle alone and half of that is for orgs
Microsoft is still recovering HEAVY from that deal
They didn’t acquire it for overwatch
They acquired it for their other games
exactly
It’s gonna be funny when tm gets third again
Blizzard are probably doing what they can with Microsoft’s oversight
They could easily do so much more
Microsoft also laid off a fuck ton of Blizzard employees 😭
An esports tab is the bare minimum
The game already has one in china that netease made
Yeah. Make it so people can check the schedule and see the partnered orgs too
They don’t even do the bare minimum
that would be awesome
bruh TD is from a T2 org at most
but like I said. I don’t think it’s as simple as people say.
^
They’re the highest sales in cod
This is my point
It’s not but they make 0 effort to market it
That’s extremely obvious to see
who tf cares about COD in 2025
Alot of people
People that don’t care about ow
COD is still ginormous and way bigger than ow
more people care about cod than ow
oop wrong reply
But yeah blizz makes 0 effort

They took a whole year to make 3 heroes
Blizzard took some steps this year that made the esport much better. It’s been slow but I’m sure it’s gonna get better.
Skins
Esports tab with pickems built in would be so easy
Rewards of white coins maybe some yellow if you do really well
its the last day of OWCS what's the prize pools bro
Ppl would watch it lol
They won’t tell you till after the tournament
They would
U can’t tell me a finals only gets 30k viewers
That’s pathetic
Owl got that for a regular game
And the playerbase is bigger now for sure as the game is f2p
the main broadcast has 63k rn
@reef seal have you played hades 2
I’m watching on twitch not yt
yeah, 63k viewers on twitch
its peak
are you living in a different timeline
Last I checked it was 30k
- Weibo and all the other streaming platforms
Like an hour ago
Also there’s no announced prize pool on liquidpedia
But I assume it’s at least a mill overall
oh it was 63 with all the co streamers combines
I mean, what are we complaining abt here
It could have way more interest if blizzard put an ounce of interest in trying to market it
Anyways CR or tm
Who’s winning?
CR's sending them home
TM has the macro sense of a monkey
I think tm is kinda mental boomed
We need eu win
If Al qad loses to cr if cr beats tm game is doomed
depending on how this goes I have to sleep early
if youbi gets a ring the game is dead
if a saudi team must win
at least let it be the players on alq
Youbi is literally good
Youbi won’t get a ring
youbi could be proper and id still be saying he doesnt deserve a ring
but hes also shit at everything that isnt sym
Al Qad probably beat em if they go to GF
Truth
Heesang so cute
No he’s not
Like why are we lying
He’s handicapped off of sym
Tm
Yeah but the sym is so good
im hoping cr wins the whole thing
And sym is a broken hero
Quartz will show em who is boss
Broken hero
he would shit on the average tier 2 pro off sym aswell
Nerf sym
Ofc mr korean meat rider
Youbi is a top sym
That’s not arguable
But off of sym? He’s not good
fuck every saudi org
Checkmate better sym
in tier 1 hes a 2 trick
I would hope so but it’s looking rough
They made overwatch esport good
If you say he’s good at tracer you deserve a bonk on the head
🥀 🥀 🥀
i am back from lips discord
Owl wasnt that good
so many fking pings
W
i been seeing u there lol
lmao
Gameplay wasn’t nearly as good but it was way more hype
I keep getting ur notifs from there
no they did not
APEX and owl made ow esports good
owcs would be less fun without middle eastern teams
tf u been saudi

Facts
real emoji
Ewc woulndt exist either
Ye bc no one else is stupid enough to fund it on that level
dont need it
Saudi e league is peak, probably the main reason saudi is so strong now
There’s many good Saudis atm tbh
nobody else willing to bleed that kinda money for OW 😭
We should be greatful that they are funding the game
It’s pretty interesting
Ye but makes it better
Exactly bruh
when a region funnels money into the game and hosts their own league for player development it creates a lot of strong players 🤯
Only if developed right
saudi arabias money dont go negative for some reason
its been korean dynasty for too long
you’re friends with Someone right
they waste a shitload of money on bs and still rich af
yes
Maybe because they have unlimited oil and exploitation of migrant workers
how did he take the loss yesterday
fym for some reason
are you daft
he didnt mind the loss
his twitter post was so chill
dawg
yup
that’s why he’s awesome
he was still happy
they are spending 1 trillion on a megaproject
lol
pls non korean win finals
yeah they're pissing a trillion dollars away for a vanity project 
shhh don’t jinx CR
fr
Damn politics again
idm who wins at this point
Cr is shit
im cheering for t1 and alqad
i need one team I like to win
Once the oil runs it mashallah they are doomed
cr vs alqad was very close
Anyways I hope alqad wins
nah
Please youbi use your superpowers
even shu said they aint scared ofalqad
Asking Youbi
im rooting for alqad as a korean
go checkmate
Checkmate is the best sym in the world
many players are young
they have weak mentals
and get nervous
a lot
which affects their
yk who’s actually surprisingly good on sym
plays
Zest
CM already had his moment it's simples turn
bros been working on it
WAT
i said go lip echo ram
idk i hope they lose tho

yea they swapped
quartz is just too good
quartz vs cr
simple is also korean i think
ye
noooo why is cr winning 💀
CR back on their roots
quartz do ur thing
cr beat tm then 4-0 alq
in my mind i want a non korean to win at the same time i dont mind cr winning
maintain the agenda
support ult on CR is scary here
idm this too
reL
THANK U HEESANG
Heesang hate buff
Did they ban lucio btw
ye
ye
Fairs
winston lucio
TVNT LOBBY ADMIN
sheesh tvnt
quartz do ut thing
TM let CR ban first then counter banned winston for the Downtown map
nice
lucky they pulled it first ngl
Brig Ana is lowkey troll
Shu should’ve nano’d Chorong there
It dies way too fast
Agreed
Rally nano wins that fight
Legit invincible
i think his play was nanoing ball
no one talking abt double flex on TM?
Is Juno rlly flex?
its tp play so wouldnt matter
they can just tp away
juno is main
demonic nano brig
that wouldnt be bad
how
it wouldnt have been, but it was so bummer
Her main support duo is brig, what in the world makes you think she's a main support?
bro is saying juno a main support
this esports discussion makes me wanna go back to lips discord
icl this match feels rigged asf
yea idm who wins atp
quartz epic
she isnt an objective flex support. has team oriented abilities.
huh
no she doesnt
💀
sym needs to be shot in the back of the head and thrown in a river
But main/flex supports aren't based on what kind of abilities they have
so what is the speed boost?
They're based on meta patterns
not a team oriented ability
Ppl were tryna tell me shes balanced bc shes not good in ladder when the biggest game arguably (league) nerfs based off of pro play
These chunguses never learn…
26-2???????????
her kit is built for dmg mobility and utility burst
this guy is not human
Also she has a top 3 winrate in every region in gm+ btw
not wide healing
Sym is so broken
wtf 😭
dont the devs nerf heroes based off winrate
cmon CR
why is sym still so busted
She has a 56% winrate on Asia
Also has had the highest WR of any dps in ranks below for ages
56% on gm
Yep and no nerf lol
Keeps getting microbuffed
They just want Saudis to win
might be wrong then. saw a shitload of people say that she was main support when she came out
guys which dev at blizzard took away Heavy Missiles from Dva and then said “Give her more damage.”
i mean you cant really blame sym if you are losing on the none symmetra maps aswell
Same devs who made sojourn
with symmetra banned
More damage?
Sym is broken
who said shes a main support
Yall are rlly brainwashed ngl
The only damage addition they've given her is that chungus perk giving her 25 dmg for boosters
since when was juno a main support 😵
astro, and eu players
💀
W eu though…

Finally winning a chungus ring
classic "TM wins first map into face planting the series"
does this count as EU
alq has one european on its roster
not fully eu
Saudi Arabia is part of Asia so technically its Asian dominance inshallah
tm have 2 europeans
is thrrr a team with full eu
lbb and ziyad are saudi, landon is american, checkmate is korean, and kellex is danish
or full ksa
sym ban on dorado
I mean it's EMEA so why not?
international team
I beg for a winston game
feels mostly like ME rn
Are we rooting for the team that can’t play the hardest heroes in the game
What happened to my beautiful sport
emea cant play winston
Or tracer
unfortunately blizz keeps nerfing the hardest heroes in the game 
thats what im saying. Junbin on monkey to stomp TM
fr no fun
Name me one eu player you’d take on tracer over a Korean
thats why owl is fun
kevster, seicoe
Ye you have aids
Kevster has historically been known as a legendary tracer, if you're dismissing him you're the crazy one
If you have proper or stalker or anyone of that level you’re taking them
Simple as that
this would work if cr fought tm in qualifying
Very good player isn’t on the same level
Simple as that
Kevster is probably the only one you could argue for
youbi vs lip tracer
lip
symmetra ban
10/10 times
lip ofc
Ok, there's like 5 heroes overall where a korean isnt the best one (oat)
Lip is a way better tracer but he isn’t known for tracer
Korean dominance inshallah
no onecan beat lip sombra dynasty
i feel like that’s one of his standout characteristics
Really
he’s a hitscan with a goated Tracer on him
I feel like he’s always been better on other HS or Sombra
youbi vs lip tracer is on rn
how often does that happen
His Sombra is generational
But what I'm trying to say is that it's not like NA has that much better to offer so saying "EU cant play tracer" is a bit of a meme
yes
I don’t support NA either
more experience
youbi doesnt deserve to win shit
OMG
just another day at work for Heesang
slow cooking?
theyd be bullied
al qad played monkey this stage
idek
THANK YOU HEESANG
chase
Is chase on a team rn?
Vs a Korean team in a mirror?
quartz nice
ah
agaisnt who
I hope Al Qad wins
who gave dva the booster perk
i think geng or peps lol
youbi stick
yea i want it to be against
full koreans
ema winton vs korean team winton
LMAO
SHEESH
nah
yikes
Never happening lol
they scared
real
#holdthat
simple and checkmate has aura
We sacrificed Korean ow domination for a league 3 peat
Truth they do
6
wins
from faker
I wanna watch League but it looks too hard to understand
play wild rift
ull understand
It’s genuinely so funny watching Youbi play tracer
Ik faker has a lot in total
Do you think I know what’s going on? I’m just there for faker
lol
bro hes not that bad
lest be real
He’s awful
Truth
youbi is a dog
Agenda agends
Sky is blue tbf
they can still hold on first and second
this is the full hold map
I’m pretty sure tm wins this series
quartz is the best player itw rn not because he aims good but because he makes youbi look good
TRUTH
holy COOK
al qad held falcons 5 min on second bro
real
Lip please go Venture I beg
I think we pay off quartz
the observers are kinda sleeping rn
How much does he want
grass isgreen
why do the commentators hate Lip so much 😭
who
they're paid to gas up saudis now
maintain the agenda
🤣
they were dancing on the line of saying Youbi is a better Tracer
for free?
lmao
stalker proper
where
heesang
where
they just ragebaiting lol
bro
c9
What the fuck are cr doing
🥀
questionable
???
heesang couldve touched there
right there
Check CR bank account
dude they are not trying
"I got money" but fr
heesang was like
Check their accounts
nah
how much they get paid
What I’m saying
let me replay that
FR man
What are we doing
no thank you heesang
NAH
how are there THREE people pocketing quartz and cr still cant get a kill on anyone else
Reverse sweep incoming
Ikr
no venture no game
Quartz a god
Tm has it
Fuck u
Cr cant reverse sweep
sad but probably true
finally a non korean winning
Junbin is better
i can die in peace
just wish it was NA 😔
na has no korean imports
emea has tons of imports
tm and alq have one eu player on their most common rosters
seicoe funnyastro
if CR loses here, then there will be BIG questions for Korea in the world cup next year
youbi plays more than seicoe
well
they gonna have to get checkmate
in their wc roster
korea alr has 3 trophies
for sure
no ones beating korea trophies as of now
and they worse off 😭
yea but ALL of them are from ow1
Rlly they have been most impressive imo
where my Geekay at??? 😭
@robust patio we are talking about ow2
if we count in owcs
then korea has finals
Ye thats a emea team
? korea has won every single international lan in owcs until now
my Turkish hitscan too busy rage quitting against Liquid 😭
no i mean world cup wise they were dominant in ow1 until ow2
I will never consider geekay na
Interpol
im saying if there was a world cup
they wouldve
won it all
put Geekay in EMEA and they never qualify for anything
for ow2
but no they were beaten by CHINA LMFAO
yea
thats 2023
but 2023 WAS ow2
best world cup korean roster would be. Junbin, Hanbin, Lip, Stalker, Checkmate, Chorong, Shu
now it ends
RIP proper LOL
ksaa from the bench
stalker>
how is that?
They would be top 3 emea def
i think im done watching ow esports atp
nah without Zeruhh that team struggles
It’s been Korean dynasty since start of owl
he'll never beat the boosting allegations
The chat on the stream is making me feel hateful ngl
fr id rather watch ranked winston dive than boring sym comp
This is the first time since owl began when an eu starter is gonna win a ring
grass is green
Ever
yea i feel like the bans took the toll that ended the dynasty
the yang ban, thoughts?
Sym isnt that borinh
whole scene is becoming a sportswashing operation for the saudi govt 
like im good
I’d rather watch monkey dive
it was fun while it lasted
It’s way harder
koreans gotta stop coping
korea was always the best since the beginning
i’m just gonna perma watch Pge from now on
Ye but isnt that bad
Sym can be nerfed
until now
WAIT DID THEY
they didnt lol
I need to rewatch bro
even here we cant escape the delusional saudi fans
fr
EU GRAND FINALS
Youbi sat in the corner while Quartz and Tvnt do it all
mercy gameplay aint no way
@robust patio do you think korea will win next year's world cup? LOL
As an EMEA member it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
What happens when they’re all brainwashed
aura so strong they paused
As an EMEA member it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
@korea you too
shitter region
quartz> lip at this point
tons of gods going to military so nah
champ korea = gold eu
bronze
u wish
let the Saudi fans have their moment
I relate to thi
I do think these eu teams are the best atm
they don’t get these often
rn he is better
Facts
legit 1v5 rosters
Rlly well played
They got paid off #cope
we are talking rn
not 5 years ago bro
Eus only title in 10 years 😭🙏
quartz is better rn
Talking about rn
fr
yep tm see a comp they didnt expect and insta paused
even rn
they too shit to win on real heroes (sym dva)
ur ragebait is working on me
its true
Ask them to play monkey #cope
RIP KOREA
dva sym r rly hard to learn
even quartz said hes not better than lip
bro hanbin is gapped by tvnt on dva
guys there was DEFINITELY tech issue and tm DEFINITELY DIDNT pause for extra planning time
is ts region human
Check their bank accounts
HEESANG IS ON PHARAH MERCY LOL
If stalk3r was active falcons win
mercy
They gave up
in pro play
Actually true ngl
and they actually win it
its working
WELCOME 2018 OWL
Pharah Mercy what
When the world needed him most the avatar disappeared
their playing my strat
The avatar being stalk3r
no touch
I just
Please let al qad win just to avoid youbi winning
stealing the Saudi (trademarked) composition is hilarious
bro whats up with this tourney
Truth nuke
why does nobody want to touch
MERCY LOL
tvnt cant play dva and suddenly tm is losing 🤯
i swear we've seen this situation like 300 times
i mean they 3:0 falcons with both sym and dva ban lol
LMAO
i didnt realise we were watching falcons rn
Still cant get over the fact they actually played mercy
the oil money sponsored C9
Dude what is this tourney LOL
Honestly I'd be so fine with this if youbi didn't exist
WIFELEAVER?!?!?!
aura induced C9
Nah it’s so funny LMFAO
your acting like hes a dva one trick
so many c9s in pro plays
the oil actually makes the point really slippery
pharah mercy
oMg Twisted got paid they c9
COOK
quartz is stressed the fuck out lmao
thank you heesang
koreans try to play honest characters impossible
🙏
Cr is using classic saudi strat
it was never saudi strat
Its working tho
why did it work.
They using yzn strat
they should have done pharah mercy all along
this match is caos
They playing on ladder
heesang >>> yzn at pharah 🥱
pharmercy in da finals 
korea used percy way before yzn was born
this is just 2 5 stacks ladder match
every day of the week
Grass is green
every player in this lobby is dogshit
Mercy is meta now ig
percy was so nostalgic in owl
LMFAO
He invented grooming mercy players though
im having nostalgia seeing that
they created pharah for yznsa ot be born and play her
win or lose im glad to see percy in the current pro play
bro doesnt know about Flow3r tobi duo
i was talking with a t3 coach in another server and they said they thought every pro player is terrible and i disagreed with them then but i think im understanding them now
Why do they think they’re bad
nice joke
Genuinely curious
every player is terrible
Creating Pharamercy is actually the only thing Yzn is known for. Nothing else, right?
I do think ow is not optimized at all in pro play it’s quite awful
i think it was because they could see all the mistakes they were still making even if they were the literal best team itw
yzn didnt create pharmacy lmfao
Oh it really isn't, not even close
I do agree
Yep
they need the mercy again
like
I’m making a joke about him being a pervert
I mean to be fair we are only on the 3rd year of 5v5
These whole 4 days were filled with dogshit plays
all of these players are terrible and have no idea what they're doing
Yzns known for win trading mainly and cheating a bit
Wtf
Hii
like
and pedo
these teams dgaf about point
Wait has cr not been losing anymore
i mean teams still making draft mistakes and stuff too 😭
That to but that one’s more recent then the other two I honestly don’t know the details yet
Ow has been out for almost 10 years. We should be seeing better gameplay than this
also idc wht people say lip > quartz
they cant do pharmercy in def?
Game quality was ass
actually it would be so funny if youbi got mvp
because they wrong
this is true according to stats and grand finals achievements
im not
korea must have oil money
TM at 2:50 on attack
lol
holy
twitch delay prob
we're gaming
a BOB clutch
@bitter summit @weary scarab
bru simple thought he was him
im on youtube
guys pharah and ashe are beating a saudi team unfortunately they will be nerfed nexxt patch 
never seen pharamercy since owwc
im at 1:30 on tm second point attack
Yall are ahead
im 1:20 so about same
Ty tho
get on Ocie's stream, her shit's straight from the source
lip is just better
how’s her ads
falcons? the pay to win team? getting paid by other teams? are u human?
What are the scores
Does everyone just suck at kings row 🥀
Can't check
imagine diving lip on high ground
shu is just better
i lowk want a map 5 because i want to be able to watch all of the bo7
between al qad and tm
holy shu
gg
but i want itt o be long bc im at work rn
fr
