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Btw. It’s gonna be another emea in grand finals
I swear
If I hear commentators glazing merit
I’m so annoyed
when na turn 
Why we acting like hanbin isn’t great on ram
like there's a reason no western tank can play winston to the level of the koreans and guxue
even if they've tried
Because it’s a group effort. Like chase could be good on monkey but monkey alone can’t do shit. You need to make plays together
That’s why no emea player can learn monkey
that's true as well
but look at like infekted
he got diffed by hanbin
stomped by t1
He’s not that good on monkey. Only against NA
exactly
Because his team isn’t as good either
and he's been trying very hard to make it work
I’m happy to see hanbin playing most games this major
“Set up merit” like he’s gonna do anything
Prove me wrong merit
Please
YAY HANBIN RAM
Landon knew tm were gonna win
Eu ppl just aren’t built for dive
And it’s fine
It’s extremely precise
More precise than sym
i really loved finland in owwc 2023
Ok
classic no touch
Falcons or CR lower bracket finals
Playoff mmonk
Wonder who’ll win between QAD and TM
It will be pretty close
Def think cr are better than falcons atm though
Those two are always close. Their series even went to a map 6 in EWC
Honestly
COME ON WEIBO
I don't even think CR will qualify for grand final
might be over for korea
Unless they lock in prob not
Wdym? Korea gonna be in grand finals
But I feel like cr can beat tm
yes but falcons are not looking as good as cr
They never lost in lower bracket until now but TM and QAD are just too strong
I’m not gonna say anything until they get fully knocked out
But I do think falcons are worse
I just think merit is rlly bad lol
Yeah I ain’t gonna say anything till it ends
Merit threw so hard vs tm
Cr alqad cr and FLC all are still capable of winning
If they had proud i think they could have won that series
That’s just him
For example
Agreed
even his bob ults were bad bro
He was awful
dont get me wrong i like emea winning it all but they lowkey have to nerf sym for the sake of the esport LOL
Merit is usually shit till proven otherwise. It’s not the other way round
By sake of esports you mean “let na win a series for once”
Tp needs a nerf
Either way longer cd or max amount of tp per usage per player
Tbf na players have more rings than eu players atm
😭
Koreans are still winning even with sym being good. Only one having issues is na
Skill issue
i fw the usage cap
Wtf did they win in OWCS?
full team rotations with tp is kinda corny
In OWL
4 na players won rings as starters
(Grand finals)
Bro they’re playing with Koreans ofc they’re winning something. There was no owl for emea so the eu players didn’t play like that
Whatever
Only 2 eu players have won rings since then
Your argument is dumb to begin with
All those na players were really good?
One of them got MVP for the whole season lol
Super was best rein. Moth was really good
Etc
Who
mew is just so horrible bro
ok but tbf owl was very mixed witht he teams no
Horrible human but was a very good player
COME ON LEAVE
Who the fuck is that? “Na is better because they had a player that played years ago and he won”
like i didnt watch it but
SHY
Shock beat a full Asian team twice
i think teams had like both western and koreans a lot of the time
Na just has more players who won rings
Hard all
Thats*
Is there a match after this
In fact an eu player has never won a ring as a starter
Like no joke
Sine OWL inception
This is not me glazing NA it’s just factual information
That’s because eu players have to move to na or play on 200 ping like KSAA. It’s not fair that owl ditched eu
And na was just full of Koreans anyway
no shot the 2018 london spitfire didn’t have a EU player
OWL was played in NA. Koreans lived there…
Can’t say it’s NA. It’s just “Korea in west”
Na players have more rings than eu players atm…
Prob gonna change at the end of the current tournament though
Finland 2019 was sincerely peak OWL Representation
Good for them. I’m glad these players that don’t exist anymore won years ago
NA is better because super has a ring
Na ranked was just full of Korean players
Damn..
😔 3-0'd
He didnt
?
He picks the slow perk
Yeah he throws that slow E and gets so many elims assists
Cr vs falcons?
Mew is so fucking bad its hilarious
stake theory is correct
what more can guxue do 😭
Yum
map 3 was actually a good match tho
Who y all think is best to win in order for emea to win a ring
The thing about Valorant, every major has a new team winning. In ow, it’s always the same two teams winning. That needs to stop so the esport can live on
TM will win this LAN
i mean it has its upsides and downsides
they need to do something about mew
rivalries are definitely not bad for an esport
how does he still have a job
Nothing ever happens kills the excitement and enjoyment
and if the highest quality games we can get are from cr and falcons match ups then so be it
we both know that’s not happening

the most import thing are close games
if 5v5 never existed and the fuel never went out west and owl was still a thing, we'd still be watching fuel vs dragons to this day
i'd rather have a banger 4-3 cr vs falcons game than 4-0 falcons vs tl
Daaaaaamn
Ok
i’m tired of seeing someone and mer1t on the screen😔

its the truth
but at the same time, when something does happen its more exciting
like its not completely good or bad
i just hope the best team wins thats all you can ask for
I’m sure there’s math out there that shows which one is better results for the scenes
But I’m also sure it’s private
Im upset NA shit the bed
as long as they have drops running people will watch anyway so ig it doesn’t matter
NA cant have shit in esports unless its cod or halo
You want to grow now slowly die
what
People will stop watching for drops if they keep putting out the same skins
I got the OWCS a million times for that hero
we both know by now that overwatch doesn’t think that far ahead

Lol
i just want owcs souj and cass man
who are the skins for this time
They give out Mei like a million times and then genji once a year. It’s so annoying. I want my tracer Lucio OWCS skins already
HEAVY on tracer
Is cr or falcons winning
I wonder if next year we will actually get more than 3 team skins
cr hopefully so we can feel like something happened this lan
Alqad weibo are next partnered teams
Um
👏🏻 good job teams
falcons will win both will lose to emea
Would cr or falcons be easier
W WBG
Also I think Envy will join overwatch next year
Idk
Why
i hope they nerf sym in the middle of the tournament
owner has talked about coming back and they have history being the Fuel
Envy was Dallas fuel??
Gasp
Didnt envy win in apex
Yup
Is envy a big org?
TAIMOU THE GOAT
bigger than ssg
Apex was korean dominant
I see
maybe a lil smaller than TL
But who the fuk is envy picking up? There are no one
Pretty sure SSG will back out next year
They buy some team
I hope the announcements are great
Can partnered teams back out after one year? I don’t think that’s in the contract
hopefully tm disbands
Partnered orgs are invested. Not short term deals
announcement is mew firing
Hawk, Lenny, import xzodyal, rak, import korean flex
I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news but tm is one of the most successful ow teams
unfortunately
Shit team
tm havent won an international yet
Unless Envy has Stalk3r money
I don’t think stalker would leave kr. Especially when t1 is right there
hasnt T1 been more young player biased tho?
going by prize money no team will ever be as successful as the shock 
like extermely young
Stalker isn’t old bro
hes 20+ no?
22
what’s old in esports
Depends on the esports
18
Pretty sure T1 wants like 18 and 19 year olds they can build up
ow skews young
No, they want good players. They don’t care about age
if you havent signed by 14 its over for your career
LOL
Then does Zest and viper become homeless?
In Valorant, you have players who are second half of their 20s and still playing very well. You even have 30 year old playing and doing great.
best player itw is about turn 22, best hitscan is 20, best flex support is 25
Drop one of them. It’s stalker we’re talking about
Val doesnt require NEARLY as much brain power as ow
guxue is 25 bud 🥱
if u think guxue is in any discussion for best player you may need to go to a reeducation camp idk
That’s why I said depends on the esports. Also it’s not “brain power” it’s mechanics mostly
no help
bro lost to hanbinston
Everyone lost to hanbinston at some point. T1 cr zeta, and weibo.
give guxue falcons backline and he sweeps 
Gen.G Removed from EMEA Partner Teams
tbh
Called it lol
WHERE IS GENG
is their a list of the partnered teams
LETS FUCKING GO 
4 na partner teams
i only know a few
Oh shit their adding more teams
why is disguised toast getting a partner slot
bro ur gna have dhillducks be a partner team
who the fuck is gonna be on the 4th partner team
LOL
what in the goddamn
Frosted Toast gaming?
PEPS
Dallas is coming back??!?!??!
what if they just come back as dallas fuel
ENVYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
Dallas Fuel is back ???
Dallas fuel
It’s better for the brand to stick with envy
THEE FUEL
Me
Dawg..
Are they actually sticking with the name…?
3-2 falcons
😭
bro js knows things ig
Or 3-2 cr
I guess that means ow won’t have to make them skins
3-1 falcons bet
Fucking peps
honestly
hahaahh nah thats too tuff
so based from blizzard giving the partner slot to peps over alq
“Omg we have partnered teams” Peps and streamer’s team
We lost an actual org for these basement teams
are we rly gna act like this is tuff
HOLY SHIT THIS IS SO SAD
Dallas fuel will win all 
bro who the fuck is disguised
We lost geng that’s actually a real org and gained two basement orgs instead
Peps partner program
where is nrg
A streamer
It wont be the dallas as before but bruh
disguised toast
im not cheering for disguised toast
Fuk this
who
alq
oh
wait toast owns a team?
IM SO FUCKING HAPPY BRO😭😭😭😭😭
i fw them using the dallas fuel brand
yeah disguised toast i think has a lot of teams in a lot of esports lmao
Wait wtf fr. How did alqad not get a slot and freaking peps does
No fr that’s so fucking fire
Pun intended orrr
Of course
They stuck with the name so they don’t have to make them skins
🧠
Nah chillll
were the asia orgs the same
Need my fuel Zar and Winston
Fearless comes outta retirement and gets imported to NA
CINEMA
Single elimination...
Saudi and china already qualified lol

Nah actually seeing how we lost a big org for two nobodies makes me think no one is interested in ow. This is sad
why are they making single elim again
Its fine sweden will win 2026 world cup
i think peps will have more soul at least but disguised toast is js a meme
eh im fine with single elim for world cup
same
Peps is a meme as well.
If there was ANY asia team that would have stayed and kept their name, it was Shanghai dragons
It’s like sayin “congratulations for timeless for being a partnered org”
its not a big org but the fan base and spirit is there
They can’t even afford to spend money on players
Fuel gotta poach Hanbin and sign Stalk3r
Fuel might make me care about na now. Might. Will have to see what happens
They won’t have anyone to pick up unless geekay leaves
I just hope fuel don’t do some dumb shit and sign like painkiller or something
Boot camp program
Keep that dickhead away from my team
You think players come out of retirement to play for Dallas?
stuck with it thru thick and thin
Who the fuck are they gonna get?
Fuk no
No clue
Envy doing the cloud9 strat
When does the match start
I meant, there is no one to pick up. They’ll just poach ntmr roster
what match
FLC v cr
Cr vs falc
Watch them so something crazy like sign Carpe and Diem lmaooo
oh shit thats today
Ngl I’m disappointed in the esports announcement
liquipedia says 18:30
Ye
Contracts are over now, literally everyone is a free agent lol
but its probably gna be shortly after the announcments
Wtf are they gonna do now
its probably gonna be sooner
isnt liquipedia just a guess lol
Carpe is washed in Valorant, he definitely never coming back to ow. Let him get paid for keeping the T1 bench warm
Fearless has talked about wanting to comeback
Fearless back in NA on the fuel would feed families
Yeah let’s see them compete with TEAM LIQUID
How’s he rich wtf
He’s gonna be 27 when he comes back…
He’s an American streamer. They are millionaires
he's been a popular streamer for like almost 10 years or something lol
Damn right about that
Theres only one tank i would want for Dallas
i dont get how u have 4 partner teams in na
bro the 4th team is actually gonna be like the dhillducks
Unironically import Viol2t but have him on Flex, Rakattack main support
I’m mad we lost geng. I love geng.
Joking btw
yea its probably after this break
Envy don’t care about the money. That’s why they joined
i think hastro just loves overwatch
bro that org did not gaf abt this game anyway
Yeah other words, they don’t care about losing money.
They tried but ngl they got fucked all year.
What yall think first map is?
And then when they HAD THE CHANCE TO QUALIFY, Their best player is on 400 ping
if one of alq/tm wins tomorrow
Is SSG still doing bad
Toast might get a lot of support with selling skins because he’s a very popular streamer
if youbi wins a ring the game is dead
I like tm
He should hit the gym. Landon should take him
I think for first map we go to Nepal
Falcons wins this please
Backbone said cr is better than falcons
Cr pick first map and they’re definitely going illios
Wtf does backbone know? He didn’t even qualify to scrim them
hes js gonna bully his players 😭
i hatee how vendetta killed dps q times
Sparkle is assistant coach not head coach
Feels like nineK never does anything because I never see him
True, i think he is basing of the results
Idk. I think nepal plays great for CR, but we'll see
i think shes kinda mid solo q character anyway
Whoever wins Korea better not let another region take this championship
Either CR or falcons need to win it all
why are u rooting for like
boring
❌
Why doesn’t make sense there
Yes
support queue times still worse overall tbh
Wait gengs not partnered anymore
Cr and falcons can always bounce back
@glass sleet gen.g are leaving ow yet they are still better than virtus pro?
They done it time and time again
Objectively if they’re leaving they aren’t better anymore but the team itself beat vp
I really hope tm wins cuz then youbi will have a ring but not shu, heesang,junbin, max lol
im actually kinda bummed to see geng leave
I don’t want youbi to have a ring
Alqad is my favoured out of those two to win entirely cause of youbi as a person
Yeah. You gonna use that as an excuse? Remember how TD won all 4 stages and still left ow? Lol good try tho
Eh I think youbi is pretty humble now
cry about it mate
LOL. You’re the one who @ cuz I’m living in your head rent free. But it feels nice knowing others are thinking about me. Thank you ♥️
truth nuke
youbi cannot win a ring
What
You are literally the one who started that unprompted dawg
Ikr?
But it’s fine cuz it made me laugh
big names vs big names
Yeah the biggest of names
appreciate it pookie❤️
for the first time im cheering for cr
Why isn’t proper on echo
because i think they have a better chance of casting down the emea usurpers
there must always be a korean on the throne
Honestly I’m cheering for either cr or aq
I hate the kiriko TP. I hate that it is so wanky
Falcons I only like the players not the org and tm has youbi
Hanbin is like “so that’s what it feels like huh”
These HS players always C9ing
That’s not moon. Who is that?
Tracer feels trash ngl
hanbin is 004 btw
Lol this insult is so funny to me
Junbin ram> max ram
Falcons had the worse comp. They should’ve mirrored
hanbin 🥀
HANBIN IS WASHED
Dva couldn’t do shit into that comp
If that was ziyad
He had echo ram brig
is hanbin washed
He should’ve swapped
hanbin terrified of ram mirror
It would do something
mer1t actually was good this map
Falcons should’ve mirrored! The dva doesn’t work into that comp
She can’t live
Smh someone wake up nineK
His confidence got shattered when they decided someone is the ram player
Spint?
Spint
SPINT
BRO WHY MAX
YES
whats happening to falcons bro
Spint is in?
They trolling
falcons will win

I think hanbin should have played winston
Tracer ban is not good
ApostLe is on the scene in Stockholm conducting fan interviews and he found Backbone! Backbone tells about his prayers for Team Peps downfall being answered, who he has in the all EMEA Upper Bracket Finals, and why he thinks Grand Finals will be a stomp regardless of who is there.
this guy
SPINT
Ye i saw lol
spint is coming on ffs
OH YEAH? YOU BROUGHT IN SPINT? FINE WELL BRING IN STALKER
I missed map 1, where did they go
Busan
cr are DISRESPECTING falcons
Was it a 3 rounder busan?
falcons are NOT a serious opponent
No falcons were trolling and lost
2, cr
falcons forced dva and got stomped as expected
also i swear they were playing last minute of 2nd point like they had cap and they just didnt
Dva wasn’t gonna work into that comp. 3 counters. Insane spam dmg. Trolled. They should’ve mirrored. Hanbin would’ve went ram and proper goes echo.
Mew
😭 not wrong
Yeah get rid of mew and get lengsa
who replaces him though?
idk
Have we ever seen the 2 best Korean teams get rolled by EMEA teams
aint lengsa the one that was like sexually abusive or smth
lengsa is a wierd dude though
guxue and leave can only do so much 🥀
im sorry to tell you but i genuinely dont think guxue is even top 3 winstons itw anymore
and thats like his only hero aside from ram
the region is just dead
bring in ukn0w from milk tea trust
prime guxue is goat junbin takes his spot for top winston
OWWC2026
milk tea is so based
Damn
prime guxue sure but they just havent played for 3 years
welcome to the saudi century
for the first time I might be eligible to back up my team nz
owwc teaming up to see MEW OUT OF THE ROSTER
conspiring to exclude farway2026 because farway1987 was better
guxue isnt him anymore
I’m hungry
i think its hard to compare when rest of his team is unbelievably gapped
I was gonna complain about getting hungry too soon but I realized it’s been 8 hours
hes just gapped
it is definitely comparable
shy is good for it
i havent even been watching the tournament but mmonk is the 2nd best player on that team idgaf
i agree, i think its shy mmonk leave guxue mew
You gaf?
ive come to dislike this roster purely because of their fans
Wtf is going on? Mfs just sign into your account and fucking play! Jeez
I’m hungry
ive gotten so sick of people saying they're gonna be a title contender
I thought they were good cuz they had guxue, shy, and leave
landon is always right, i will never question him again
how they're gonna make a deep run
they have never gotten to a final since world cup
sybau
But I guess they’re washed now
this team is dog
And it isn’t 2023
they only did something on map 3 🥀 and was because falcons were playing like ass
was an entertaining match atleast
This is gonna be 3-1
to falcons 
This entire bracket
@vestal spoke in landons dms https://x.com/landon_ow/status/1994061037146964203?s=46
He’s been a non factor
What are we thinking about announcements chat
like they can compete with top western teams on winston, thats abt it
winston isn't guxues best hero in this meta
btw
GIMME MAUGA
i dont agree
LOLLL
guxue puts up a master class performance on winston when he's allowed to play it
why is spint on to play venture???
I hear he’s really good on Doomfist
dorado he wasnt that good but it was bad map for whole team lowkey
on any other tank he just fills his role and does decently
Why falcons trying new comps now?
Painkiller just leaked on stream that Hawk and Lenny will be on the fuel

its still ongoing?
Duh
i hope falcons lose quick so CR can rest up and prep for alq/tm tomorrow
i hope CR lose quick so falcons can rest up and prep for alq/tm tomorrow
flc my goat cmon
Falcons tried mauga and I love them for that.
lowkey all im thinking is that neither of these teams are playing sym and they will get run over once again when they play alq/tm tomorrow
chiyo is so tuff
The Ana headshot is satisfying
Merit doing the be consistent challenge difficulty impossible
how does he die so late
Chiyo got stuck
My stream must be late asf

Yeah
maybe the subs werent the play 
Lol
Yeah buddy he might be on falcons but he’s still mfing fielder
that nasty sleep
Heesang would’ve done the same on genji and venture trust me
Uh hu
Yea sleep was crazy
idk heesang is pretty good at the game
He wouldn’t play echo on that map it’s too open
Or tracer
He’s end up on venture or genji just like spint
And proper is way better on those heroes
It’s not fair I know. If only Cr has sparkle for genji scrims
he would play tracer but it was banned unfortunately
I’m getting a hanbin tattoo on my chest
Because they’re trying to protect venture
why
Good with that comp and map
OMG I JUST GOT HOME FROM WORK EMEA IS THE BEST AHH
Venture always been good on NJC
falcons dont play sym whats the point
tvnt gaps hanbin on dva btw @reef seal
Maybe they thought they would. Smart move from falcons to let CR ban first tho
Threw them off
theyre banning chiyo thanos wuyang
im on unter stream idk
Why the fuck is the co streamer ahead?
merit was the main gap in that map i think
which is funny
bc people think hes shit
You’re smoking?
It’s all proper
lip is gapped by merit when hes trying
we are nearing the grand final so his performance is expected to grow exponentially
I hope so
more like
if he loses he dies
so hes awake
Guys
What do you think junbin’s skin care is?
no idea
passion
Hmmm
I never liked dorado
Shit map
I think my most hated maps are the ones where you look up the whole time
yes
Overwatch baby
falcons is js the best winston dive team itw
heesang is nervous
Bro n
Bro hanbin is actually the goat
when ram isnt in play 😭 😭
Cr lock in please
has cr lost the sauce
Someone who?
Still winable for cr

In Asia lan
Bro is hanbin the new winston goat
what is hanbin doing
Hanbin is more flexible than someone I’ll say it
doesnt matter
Heesang just isnt proper
cr might be bums now
they are playing team falcons tbf
I’m confused. How is CR ahh on dive too?
Cr is boomed?
bro what, i just went downstairs to eat a piece of pizza and dorado is over??? wtf lol
Smh emea looks disappointing now
Dude cr lock in
Zeta should’ve left cuz they’ve been struggling so much too
Na needs the extra partners
not a 4th
Why? They have fewer good players to make decent teams
who the fuck is gonna be on that team
Idk
Exactly
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Why ana there? I'm confused
Bro can cr lock in
Good job merit. You’re not throwing atm
can do no wrong
Heesang lock in
truth nuke
if cr lose here thats a 5th-8th finish and a 4th finish in two lans in a row
😭
I dont understand how they lost against hanbinston
why cass first ban
They gonna try sombra tracer
okay so apparently world cup next year will have imports
wtf
teams can have 1 player from a country that didnt qualify
what the fuck are we doing
its a fucking world cup
and ur having players not from a country on a country's team
its honestly a junbin master class on ram no
always at the right place at the right time
Falcons with the “hey guys what if we-“
I’m convinced falcons will throw Leeds to make matches more interesting
Why would they ever have proper on Soj merit on sym
falcons win the dive match up cr win the brawl
Throw for content moment
W cr
I’m sorry but why did merit start on sym im at a loss for words
Ye its so weird
Crusty isn’t even here to blame
He wanted to be youbi
Falcons wanna get reverse swept again
max could play but junbin is just a better player and igl
hanbin...
Falcons throws for content
bro
they play so much better with him
JUNBINS RAM IS SO MUCH BETTER
BRO max is so bad
Crusty isn’t coaching them right
FLC actually trolling
Nope
There is like some other worldly power telling faclons to throw for a game 5
Just go ball
lol
yea expected
Merit has been carrying for 2 maps let’s get him on sym
max in for all the marbles
Guys see the vision
Their vision is bad
As a falcons fan I just don’t get it sometimes. Maybe devs pay them for map 5 for viewers
u have to
How much falcons getting paid to force map 5
if u keep junbin they will ban ram and what is he gonna play then
no glasses
he cant zar, orisa is dogshit
HEIDNEUSIFHWIXHHWUXBSHCBW
they probably lose on dive
Winston ball doom
Is moon staying away because he doesn’t wanna lay his hands on max?
Its actually so dumb the bans are after player swaps
its not over max is good
sym 😴 😴
Sym 😴 😴
Go Juno kiriko and win

Last map let’s go. I am starving I want to go eat.
nah imagine if max hits that rock
I’m eating
Merit wants to lose
cr will losei can feel it
What happened
Why is merit bobbing lip alone
He used to be good on Toronto
That was 3 years ago
max take it easy
MERIT ULTS A FLANKING ASHE
least obvious reaper ult
Proper think he in plat 😭
Bro just standing there in the open
WHATTT
NERF THIS BITCHASS MEI
LOOK AT LIPS STATS HAHAH
He does not want to lose
and heesang 😭
bro mei is not ur hero
It forced grav
he did what was needed in the end 
where tf are yal watching
I’m actually mad a co stream is 1 minute ahead of main stream
unter 
yeah
unfortunately it was incredibly telegraphed so it didnt do anything more
I want the official shi
mer1t 
proper...
shu wow
Thank you merit!!!
4 ults
for fun
10 ULT FIGHT
js throwing ults at each other
gg
he's the goat
HEESANG
thank you heesang
thank you heesang
Stalkers sh*t
proper js unc
Same age
LETS GOOO CR
Yeah let’s just not ult. Sounds great
Lip did not want to lose
gg
Falcons threw the entire last match for fun
New queen street was an intentional throw
Not sure why
Proper gapped by Heesang last 2 maps
idk proper js got diffed and they managed to steamroll
proper thinks hes viol2t
they tried to kite but they couldn't
lowkey i wanted falcons to win bc they have a slightly better chance to beat either qad or tm
Last map they started merit on sym
Tm will win i think
they swapped pretty quickly no
No
THANK YOU HEESANG
They needed to ult right when proper died. Push towards CR and ult to get ults out of them and have a chance for second touch. But they gave them all the space after proper died and then they never got to ult and lost. Such a frustrating way to lose
Good thing falcons are out
There is 0 reason to do that other than throw
Falcons c9 is crazy
Falcons need a coach to tell them not to do dumb stuff
We can’t even blame crusty
😭
tbf there is no rly good answer in that situation
you're likely to lose either way
proper retirement only answer
if they managed to kite they could've had a good ult fight with everyone alive
well...



