#esports-discussion
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heesung lowkey robbed
Ye
Why is one hitscan( ranged) one flex good is my question
Tm vs alq gonna be a banger
double hitscan is almost never relevant
Some dubbel flex is meta
What makes the mix of both types of dps better than double flex or double hitscan
Generally
I want the why
nice to control longer sightlines
i’m not that smart i fear
i won’t make shit up to explain but all i know is that two main dps are almost never played, but two flex dps is
and a mix between them is most common
from my understanding hs can usually perform well on range and flex perform better in shorter sightlines, so you can do both when you have both of them
tm domination
@stoic juniper I think this is basically asking are why dps metas usually fdps + hs
i dunno how to answer exactly
That’s what I assume it is generally. Flex and hitscan both better at diff things. Consistent Ranged pressure and flex is mobile and can capitalize on people caught out or low more easily. I double flex or double hitscan makes you not as versatile.
But I’m not sure
But this is what I’m guessing
double hitscan usually pretty bad because when you have no close range pressure it will be very hard for you to find picks if the other team plays smart
OWCS teams comps also confused me. I get classic brawl or dive or poke comps but things like haz genji Juno brig confuse me bc it’s a brawl backline but dive tank. I guess it’s hybrid?
brawl dive and spam is kinda fake
Haz isn’t as hard dive as monkeu
It’s not fake but I find some many like hybrid comps that just can be flexible with how they play
brawl compositions can follow dive principles, like staging and off angling
Like on Gibraltar it’s not a question
Always dive bc the map is so favored to it
But lot other maps the comps can do both
yea but double hs is extra bad since they are more vulnerable and can play on fewer angles than flex dps usually
double flex can work it's even meta sometimes
it's not even that he's bad he just doesn't play his good heroes for some reason
Like freja is playing like a hitscan Dps rn right
ye
Freja replacing Soj
freja occupies longer sightlines like hs
ig freja hanzo and the hs heroes can count as main dps
Is there another term for hitscan dps? Just main dps?
hs and main dps are the terms i've heard of
Main dps
that's really it
Tracer would technically be the main dps on double flex tracer comps
Yeah I suppose
or well idk
Tracer performs well on shorter ranges so I dont see why a distinction would be made there instead of just calling it double flex
I would call that double flex yeah
10 clash royale matches and the game has still not started
I mean yeah double flex is the better classification but some ppl would say tracer fills the main dps slot in certain comps
Main dps I see as applying consistent ranged pressure. Flex more mobile for getting isolated targets, finishing kills etc
ig you could say its usually the hs player that flex to tracer in those comps
it never had a real definition and as the game got more complicated it stopped mattering anyways
I mean it's just played by the hitscan sometimes doesn't really mean anything
Yeah
slowly but surely every player is just becoming a hyper flex so
it's about comp patterns
Having a hitscan only, off tank only, ms only etc is just a disadvantage really
even if everyone was hyperflex the terms would still have a usage
Most players have been learning more since 5v5 and especially w bans
you need a guy to play the ranged pressure heroes and you need a guy for the mobile short range heroes
you need someone to be the brig/lucio/juno guy and someone to be the other support guy
Yeah
The reason having both play Tracer is useful is because Tracer Echo comps and stuff
This is why stalker is king
how games going so far
Yeah but as players evolve it comes down to who's better at whatever hero in certain comps
And Hanzo/Freja Tracer Vs Hanzo/Frjea hitscan type comps
Actually I take this back
Bc swaps matter too
Falcons had such a big advantage when the meta went to double flex DPS
Essentially the terms originate from comp patterns and then people specialize in certain parts of the usual pattern which makes the "hs" player and the "ms" player
Bc stalker might be better than merit on freja ngl but if you wanted to swap between freja and Cass while keeping ur flex dps option you'll just put merit on freja
but you don't need someone to specialize in these roles for the terms to still make sense
Yea
wait who's playin
Alq Vs tm
Doesn't tm have ksaa now
ok good
Yeah and alq kellex
Holy ass production
my na slop hasn't started yet
I must've got so many points from Kai Heesung in fantasy
SSG liquid play today don't they?
ye
Yea
Heesung had like 3 deaths that whole series or some shit
My fantasy team is up
Doesent stalker play the hs to
whats ur guys week score so far
Blissy got it
Yeah but you don't want to have merit swapping over to flex when stalker is on hitscan
46
main supports must be the most useless players to have on your fantasy team
LBBD7 got traded off??
I don't have any others from eu
this was my final roster
Lol
I didn't check mines but I'm it's in shambles
Ass production
Two geng players
lbbd7 is qad is the mvp
qad vs tm
youbi playing 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀🥀💔💔💔💔💔💔🥀💔🥀💔🥀💔🥀💔🥀💔
Why is kellex called that
nooo
Streamer mode
man is a Talon supporter
production issue kinda unacceptable
streamer mode on ig
Crazy bad production
You'll get used to it
It's not like the production was known for being good
i thought they shut down owl ong
They had the bans flipped for the entire geng tu map
Day 1 always has shit production and endless delays
im also fgc so i dont like the casters either
they sound like they dk whats going on
These EU fuckers so ass they back on mauga
does saudi have a single main tank
Give us the Korean tanks back pls
putting justin wong on a random game hes never played
Only casters I've ever liked in terms of actually adding to the experience were the prime owl casters and prime brawlhalla casters
Checkmate please pop off 🙏
Commanderx taking the weekend off I'm in shambles
Can we get him on the main stream already
8.5k dmg in one round
They're stealing all of checkmates final blows
qad losing to these randoms
still getting elims its fine
Losing to youbi 💔💔💔
lol
I'll rather die
why is youbi in
whos their other flex
Nepotism
seicoe
"and ksa" yeah this shit is ass
prob youbi
Cool they show stats now
Is seicoe still in tm
ye
Yeah
teams just want to lose today
kill potential stuff
im qing rn so I can't exactly go in depth
if qad lose to these randoms im afraid they may be washed
hitscan open up kill chances for your team or help finish off kills
and you always have a dps to go with your tank to support their engages
from my understanding its just spacing
Put seicoe in pls
I'm rooting for alq but why is youbi in
They trying a strat ig
my guess they prob wanted to run torb sym
torb banned
they didnt prepare for that tho
alq king of rush in eu 🤔
Nah
Nobody with a brain runs torb sym there
Not with the best hitscan in EU on ur team
im starting to believe in the quartz washed allegations
im telling ya sounds like torb/sym
It's all nepotism
bro always mid at the start of the season
youbi has too much power in tm
or well ig were in the middle of this years season now but yea
S9MM IS ON A TEAM?? 😭😭😭
i mean good bit of dt between stages
Mikeyy and ojee are somewhere punching the air
i cant wait for zeruhh to take inf
can we talk about how insane it is that viol2t is on a faceit team
infekted to play offs
wtf happened there
Money
what money bruh its faceit
peaked soj too much
or his contract was signed before relegation matches
That's a possibility
Bc he posted his LFT before China started right?
viol2t's draftking funds ran out
What are these bans
Seicoe is better at Torb anyways I bet
I'm so glad I changed my fantasy draft to Kai now
Was gonna pick Seicoe
No seicoe
EU players can't play nothing apart from Mauga Dva lol
TU gonna dominate this stage since Heesung can play literally any tank
Imo
I think he is they all struggled on him. High skill ceiling
imagine if someone could play ball here
Seems like vp and tu gonna be top eu teams
atp i think lbbd7 needs a better tgeam
loud incorrect buzzer
Yeah I predict TU, VP then ALQ
hazard is probably the tank that took the longest for me to learn
Maybe TM can get good if Seicoe plays but I honestly still think ALQ are better
i disagree with this, its as simple as having basic gamesense and utilizing his ability to take space fast
winston and ball the hardest
i still cant play ball
but my winston is fine
Geng looked surprisingly bad, ig bad coaching and Mag mid but still
CHECKMATE GOATED
idk why this wouldn't apply to any other tank
Hazard is quite difficult imo
I think Mag became a eu tank
Not ball Winston level though
well winston doesnt have wall climb and has his movement based on a cd
leap is eh difficulty compared
But there's so much skill ceiling with his wall and his ult is difficult to get value from
hazard has is movement on a cd as well
and you could argue wall climb raises his skill ceiling
but he can wall climb small walls
u can do some interesting stuff with thtat
he still has more options is my point
Hazard has wall climb in exchange for less range on jump
more options = higher skill ceiling
usually
Tm is cooked bruh
imagine if winston could stop time and decide where he flies and goes
freedom better
whats ur point
shouldnt quarts just be on soj
they win a series agaisnt al qad in saudi e league with seicoe on supp but lose this bro
if hes so good
Oh yeah true
"couldnt give cardiac to teammates" am i going crazy
why astro on kiri and not brig
ban mauga now pls
alq have kellex now which is a nice upgrade
also that series was like super super close right
youbi has to be switched off or nepotism is gonna lose them the set
banning genji and checkmate still diffs them
he’s essentially a budget backbone
backbone that has thrown 2 games
couldn’t put it better myself
Youbi is literally just backbone except ass it's crazy
Please seicoe
He will probably play torb or tracer
if we see youbi on screen its over
Or pharah
chat even though I was an ence fan last year I kinda miss the london core
GG youbi in
Actually throwing
Gg
hitscans open up kill chances + finish kills really well but they are less mobile, the more mobile dps usually goes in with their team for engages to kill them and are usually more versatile
Is Seicoe dead or what
He's gonna show him how it's done
Illari?
Freja aint it on mauga mirror
Also it's funny how they had the same team except Seicoe on support and almost won them like last week
As i say that
I think she's alright so much burst damage
But TBF Soj gets infinite charge anyway
Damn
wtf is happening
maybe genji ban was it
but genji ban is done so they just lose next match
Crazy. He ulted and after his ult finished, he has 41%
must have been a miscommunication there
owcs showing people how broken freja is
I wanna see lbbd7 play pharah again tbh
I wonder if he can do Freja or not
it really is just mauga dva
flyer lbbd7 had aura
I mean she kinda like soj
bro
big time bank
Lowkey simple cooked
Pull out the Freja Pharah imo
Instead of healing he decided to try carry
Torb is alright
Cant checkmate try echo or pharah
just go next map already

why would he not play echo/pharah
just realized it's only na slop after this gg
Ssg Liquid will be good
Idk
zeruhh and infekted my goats
alq steamroll now
I just don't rate the sym
bro i cant believe its mauga dva
TM perma sym and losing so mirroring just gives them more chance
That's all EU. Either that or Ram
insane
unfortunate
hadi is a fake main tank
Hadi and main tank in the same sentence
he can play rein
that's it
I mean that's all he plays
Nu Vankar Dar
lbbd7 being killed by the carried hero
you hate to see it
and now hes off soj?
2:33 more
doable
Why even play Dva and Sym together
Just tp Mauga to height or get something else than Sym imo
trades good still
mauga lived for too long
Also surely Lucio is just worse than Juno
yep
Bc ziyad is a dva otp
i do not see a draw here gang
lowkey the ziyad dva makes more sense than the checkmate sym
cant he just play tracer or something
Wait he's on mauga
or would that be dumb
this genji ban fucking cm's chances of another team when he gets kicked off
A little too late
The Mei
"bro you lost to fucking youbi"
Lbbd on mei but not checkmate
aight i SUSPECT qad bans mauga
Alright time to ban Freja and easy win on Genji Mauga
thank you checkmate
No need to ban Mauga they win the 1st two maps
Feja better ban
Clearly they can't play Freja or something
imma see bans then prob play some qp, ill hear about the rest later
if i hear qad got sweeped im unfollowing people on twitter
I think SSG beat Liquid
lbbd7 will be off my theory team
they better have not
blud put a mid main support on his roster
Duh
Didn’t have enough points
But I’m an idiot. Should’ve went with kellex
Hoping Quartz and simple carry my roster
surely a flex support is better
2 flex supports?
ye
Who did you put
flex supports get more healing and elims and stuff no?
Idk…I see admiral in the kill feed way more than UV
cjay and scuffed
Idk scuffed. I didn’t wanna have someone idk their performance. I just thought GenG would play well with their new dps line
ig that makes sense
Gg
where is seicoe?
I have simple and Quartz so I kinda need TM to pop off
in youbi jail
gg
Brb I need to watch the game
youbi found 1 tho
Bro
youbi tracer is diffing
Why are they getting cooked by the youbi tracer
Lowkey
Youbi is putting belt to ass
ok whats going on
Youbi is cooking
Saudi win trading at its finest
the youbi cart steal giving them infinite fights lol
Incoming reverse sweep
Thought simple stole it
Both of them
Did they steal it again with youbi?
quartz the goat
Ah
If Landon doesn’t greed Ray they get an extra fight
They need to ban Freja and idk what map
Quartz just plays soj
Lbbd7 diffs
lowkey
Did you watch SEL
I saw one map they won it
Samoa and Dorado I watched I think
They’re both really good on soj
They went Dorado interesting
Ye but Freja ban forces the mirror
These non Korean teams are so good for some reason
Ntmr and QAD
Nvm QAD has one
Did TU stomp GenG?
Yes
Damn
dva ban? isnt ksaa good on dva
He is
weird
Very much
Did tvnt play at all?
haz mirror ig
Ziyad was gonna play dva here
Ram on Dorado
You like to hear it. ChrisTFer said it’ll be a slow start for them but 3-0ing GenG is a great start
I have not seen ksaa on haz
???
surely ksaa plays haz now
I dont think he plays haz
he does
Nvm
he was the preferred haz player on tu in stage 1
💀
Hazard and sym makes no sense
I don't understand why youbi wouldnt just play tracer here
idk why they ban diva
ksaa just felt like chilling on main ig
ziyad target ban
impressive disengage from tm
just weird comp choices from tm
lmao
tactical pause
did quartz just ragequit
Bro
Why is it always the Saudi players
I think TM have a good chance to bring it back after that pause
just give them the map lol its already over
id ragequit too
I would have so that to
Avg quartz mental
the youbi curse is so real
Quartz fault for not leaving TM
Quartz needs to lose his job for that
top 5 hitscan rn and youre on a bum saudi team with a sym otp
He can't he's bound by the curse of youbi
quartz goat
quartz ragequitting after losing the mirror to lbdd7 is emea cinema
course quartz gets the bag tho
As is KSAA apparently
I mean the game ended basically. Everyone in spawn
definitely lost a lot of aura for that
lbbd7 is the only one who broke free
Barely played half a season cause of Youbi and straight back
id leave too if I had to play with sym
FUCK
Bros a professional player and needs to act like one. Not a 12 year old kid. Losses happen
yea so why ragequit
is there another emea game
TM got full held that’s crazy
why did everyone pop out for a tm loss
emea is so shit
Insane hate watch ngl
no cap
TU aren't
He probably forgot it stops the game. He just wanted to go play marvel rivals
🤣
they still aren't that good
if only youbi didnt play sym
Heesung is goated
they just played into gen g which is a terrible team
If only youbi didn't play ow
youbis a bum
no he didn't forget lol stop baiting
If only seicoe
fuck whatever team youbis on
Where was Seicoe
Baiting?
Hate watching Team Liquid now, specifically Tr33
Looking for his scarf. That’s why he couldn’t play today.
Watching mag play one submap of winston and having that be their only convincing point cap in the whole series. Only for him to play orisa dva the rest
Now this I won't stand for
Liquid suck SSG will sweep
was so annoying
Incoming liquid 3-0
ikr
I was watching mags gameplay and he's genuinely so bad 😭 😭
I know but I’m tired of Tr33 propaganda
Vega been charging up the aura I can feel it
Blissy will get a 5k in the first fight
5 man bash coming up
he's in custom game rn
And vega believers
cuz the streams are 3 min delayed
gen.g secret weapon: mag on main tank
Warmup scrim going crazy

Had to run an extra game to stay warm
nah if I were to guess it isn't scrim
probably not a scrim they def just in txcxx
prob lobby setup
Ssg didn’t sign anyone right?
he's just that locked
who would win in txcxx runai or infekted
Maybe CommanderX is playing and that's why he can't stream
na slop now zzzz
Aren’t tournament games in custom lobbies?
na slop is peak
infekted probably
tap in
He’s setting up for next series
with that attitude maybe…
calling it right now tls gonna be best in the west
Lock in
they're both in custom game rn
Sheeeeest. They’re playing monkey!?
Yeah
Landon McGee interview lets gooo
Landon is in Riyadh
“Eu” baptiste superstar
Wait did they change the flash/hybrid thing
Yea
They went NJC then Kings didn't they
That was so ass why was it a thing
Korea didn't have it and was so much better
NJC is in the map pool?
for how long has bap been mid now
Last stage they only had one flashpoint map
since like early season 1 owcs
Bap is so bad
Maybe they changed it to just Kings Row because last time they had 2 hybrid. Or enlarged the pool
sura and njc are in pool yes
last time I remember bap being played was m80 playing bap brig sig on midtown
holy shit tu 3-0d geng????
Landon rly said “Lbdd7 is the one who makes the call we won’t play freja till he says”
what happened?
Last stage they had two hybrid and one flashpoint.
bap kinda like sig, mid everywhere except for circuit
I feel like al qad is gonna end up third if they dont play freja
Nah that's aura ngl
It's probably just two and three hybrid now that they're not combined actually. I haven't seen the pool tho
He doesn’t wanna play freja. Junkbuck said in an interview that lbbd7 is a stubborn child who doesn’t wanna learn new heroes
He's highkey a soj pharah two trick but I'll let it slide
funny
He literally said “lbbd7 would be the best player if he grinded the other heroes as much as he grinds soj”
lol
hey if you win anyway does it matter
Yep
It’s better than some other eu players with less flexibility
I mean he just got off Pharah so I can't blame him for wanting to play only Soj lol
He also said lbbd7’s pharah is mid compared to stalker proper
exn vs dhill is gonna be so sloppy
Who's on exn
I mean def
Everyone said his pharah is so good he could compete but junkbuck said “nah it’s mid. He’s definitely better on soj”
I'll go check in their server
As the number one cah glazer i fully agree because i don’t think a single duck game will be interesting
Hitori W
We got some prime time na slop today
Unknown user is my favorite player
Unknown user 🔥
Unknown carrying the team
Unknown-user is a top 1 player
Lamp and 4 AIs gg
It's old
Wait monkeyhappy lowkey a demon tho
Why am i here
I'd know, it's literally me
I thought it was current
this team is fyre
It was last season master
oh
ya
Extinction will easy beat ducks
chat is hitori on ping
I need wub to cook to make up for geng throwing my fantasy points
?
Didn't ger changed lol
ahh
isn’t this just the roster
Yes
Just check liquipedia there's no better place
Fuck team liquid but liquipedia goated
they don't have liquipedia for me
i think hitori can do a ton on this roster. Last stage they look like they needed a leader
oh the team itself
It's on NA
doesn't have one
hitoris gonna be on ping tho right
you can check on the tournament liquipedia
Plenty of teams don't have an actual page
yeah I see now
Lowkey I can't support old ntmr no more
sam back on a roster what no way
Geekay eSports they lost all aura
A page requires 2K liquipedia points to have
Wmaimone starting roster is a W though
So some teams don't have one
Agree
We not fw geeker esports?
I hate AI Art
Cringe name and Saudi funded but players are cool still
twolzz is so good on orisa
gg 💔
i fw this team too
surely clear starts this time right
Xten my goat
surely bro doesn't get benched by a no name
Its pretty clear Zeb will start
ye
Calling zeb a no name is crazy
that's insane
how
bro is NOT a no name
Clear isn’t a real owcs player i think he might be a group hallucination
how is he not a no name
collectively
bro is a known orisa demon
"zeb kills 5 right now" - top 10 pge clips of all time
I'm a hallucination ff
if zeb kills 5 right now canes on me
LOLLL
*kills five*
gotta get ur unemployment levels up
everytime orisa was strong citrus started cooking
he's annoying to play into
all we do is watch na overwatch around here
yea all of na is no name basically
It's just too late I get tired
citrus was a fan favorite cus they just beat tsm everytime
EU slop take
don't hurt EU like that 😦
Eu is trash but my goat is on TU so it's fine
Tripping
He's gonna start a revolution where people are forced to swap DVA Mauga
It's highkey China
They can't handle the monkey
Remove once again and that region is cooked
na cant play ram diva eu cant play monkey ball
Really it's pacific but that region isnt real
emea has the most hype regular season but the most mid performance internationally that’s the web i’m spinning rn
But now we got Goatsung
Chase 🤫
Chase isn't real
eu is just mind numbing to watch
Hope you like dva
Heesung went 89-2 in that first series btw
always mauga or dva ball haz mirror
And didn't get potm
ball?
the sneak
yea we dont play ball around here bud
in eu ???
ye
eu dva is like staple eu dive
Only the Koreans and Hadi one time play ball
compared to na? eu doesn’t play ball at all
what
ye
eu plays a little with like chase and hadi trolling
It's literally Dva Mauga region
“mag”
NA is just Korea tanks but playing worse most of the time
chase probably the only eu player that hade any success on ball at all
wym they got chase and uhhh...
there's more high elo ball otps on eu
unless we counting koreans
If i’m real i like both regions
Saudi on tob
over saudi
alq tm rivalvry cooking
what’s the schedule for na
?
?
lenny needs to prove he’s still him badly
He's not
He won’t
he's old and complacent
this zeruhh vs lenny
he's made it
Unfortunately the someone carry was real
Nah he got one more in him surely
Someone was the shot caller and the playmaker
sugarfree is pretty young no?
Last season was that one 💔
like 22 I think
lennyyyyy
20
He’s not taking it seriously as much
blasia is still the best region
he's 04
Ah
We need him
I thought he was older than pge
He finally didn’t snake alex
how long did seeker joke to him that he snaked to get mer1t instead
maybe forever
Dhillducks logo is too peak
Dudeee sakura ntmr could be fun
Maybe
I don’t expect a map 5 but definitely some fun
Isn't ntmr just the same old timeless roster
Nah
whos on sakura
sakura always signing cool rosters
okay old rad
basically
plus clear
with clear maybe hopefully please
Sakura is rad extinction is avidity ntmr is geekay and tml is ntmr
Pk and rhyno
Ngl
rhyno not playing i bet
Wait a minute
painkiller lead team
I know that’s not who I think it is on fucking supernova
I mean orisa is good rn painkiller definitely starts
s9mm?
Yeah
Buddy crept his way back
ryan from the o and voldemort
I didn’t know he snuck himself back into a roster
^^^
and supernova could use some firepower to help ryan
Idrk. Excluding the ducks the bottom 3 is contested
Hating on the goats
New ntmr has a solid roster
SN vs SAK vs EXN
their calling all heroes roster is deadly
owcs uhh
uhh
ex ntmr
For supernova
game starting and ball already banne d
ight lock in
Wait I gotta lock in for this
No knife
off tank meta at ewc pls
Figured
rupal bap and i’m hyper focused
rupal on bap??
vega has a shield too
infekted go ball no balls
banned
lenny just missing his whole clip
Bliss just beated his full hp kellan
infekted go monkey no balls
someone boost kellan
zeruhh deadlifting
lets go
Vega had like no beat charge I look back and he saved the day with beat
He's so back
This is the Vega I seen in contenders
Zeruhh crazy
that was quick
yea he has proven himself before imo
perhaps he's not korean level yet
damn
rough
Freja diff
damn
then again that was ssgs best submap
wait liquid is mid
yo this might come back to bite zeruhh in the ass
people really saying ts region better than eu?
yo zeruhh shouldnt have done what he did
wait
yo lowkey they might just have been scared initially
damn
this is good for my fantasy points
I'm super surprised no one ever picks chain lightning any more
Heal bubble good with tracer IG but I still think chain lightning on top
zeruhh looked great but couldnt make up for vegas dumbassery
I feel like tr33 is underpreforming
guxue was always heal bubble pilled
and he's the goat

