esports-discussion

[cosmic socket]

thats what im saying

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but

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No

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he can do it

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It’s still crispy and khenail, right?

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Mag

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we saw

[cosmic socket]

geng could be scary in stage 2

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Mag is on his 5th year of being pure ass

[glass sleet]

He’s not pure ass

Cmon

[torn portal]

Mag is a dog but he is funny

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Myb

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And it’s emea

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He’s just

Ass

[glass sleet]

Ass

I’m biased cuz I’m an infernal fan

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Bro he looked good on ball and hazardddd

[static turret]

Did he really

[cosmic socket]

mag is dogshit for a korean tank

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But fucking crusty is an addict and couldn’t help but throw

[cosmic socket]

for eu standards hes fine

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Yea

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Mag was punching up against top Korean teams last year

[torn portal]

Emea he could match tred ziyad

[glass sleet]

That’s the bar…?

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Vestola is s tier

[cosmic socket]

that is unfortunately the bar

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I’m saying can geng make top 2 with this roster

So that’s the bar

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When the bar is low tier owl

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Oh I believe

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💔

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Emea vs korea

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Y’all don’t know how much of a carry xzodyal is

[cosmic socket]

^

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We do

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Top 2 in korea your bar is literally the best off tank ever

So

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The bar in kr is like

Mealgaru maybe

Idk

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Dafuq

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Whoru Xzodyal is insane fuckin upside for geng it’s explosive

[glass sleet]

So we gonna pretend peppi and jasm1ne don’t exist?

Unbelievable

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Is peppi the bar?

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I mean

He sure fucking was throwing hands at hanbin and bernar

[hybrid hollow]

Just touch down in the streets of Korea and seen stalker moving his stuff out the falcons hq

[torn portal]

Khenial is fine not impressive but he’s ok. Crispy is not bad especially considering his competition is haku

I think geng do well

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Idk eu rn is all over the place

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It’s fine. Sirmajed gonna play dps for them

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Every team is making moves

[hybrid hollow]

Khenail gets a 40% buff when next to galaa tho

[glass sleet]

Haku and fastro

BUT

WTF IS TM DOING HAVING TVNT AND KSAA

[mortal cipher]

I’m not calling them just a little disappointed

[glass sleet]

they’re the same fucking human

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Do you think the heesung > mag gap is more valuable than the whoru xzodyal > the unc duo

[mortal cipher]

Yeah just as a second for the heroes he isn’t good on

Ye

[glass sleet]

Guys imma say it. Someone isn’t as flexible as y’all say he is. He just abuses counter swaps. If y’all ever paid attention to their games where he’s not countering, he’s mid.

I’ll die on that hill

Thank you

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Tu vs QAD vs GENG is super important and i hope ultra competitive. I think vp stay strong

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I think

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TM?

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VP number 1

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Like

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/848976159752192050/1341222755735175188/image0.gif

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Geng lose bc their tank is a complete troll

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You think their roster not changing?

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And heesung gaps them into eternity

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Maybe another tank

[mortal cipher]

Hey I’m not saying he is major flexible on off heroes not main tank heroes

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Geng will be better than VP stage 2

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Unironically most forgettable roster award my fault

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Tweaking

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TM allegedly got simple

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I wanted to see more irony

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Simple fastro backline tho is kinda ass

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Sad he

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Idk i just feel like their tanks are falling behind the curb

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Simple is good I don’t mind but never been a fan of fastro being on tm

[torn portal]

Teams also just target quartz and insta win these days

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I think lbb checkmate> Xzo whoru tho for qads vs geng

Qads prob finish top 2

Again

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Delete fastro, sign the goat leesoomin and nuke KSAA

[torn portal]

Prime whimsical xzo wins that

Whoru checkmate i mean

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Guys

Whore looked really good on genji in sel

He was making big plays when his team was ass

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whoru is the best genji in every region except maybe korea but even then its arguable

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Whore>dodo>proper

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if genji is relevant geng are in it

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I’m afraid he’s not.

Unless meta changes

Stage 1 pharah was played instead of genji

[torn portal]

Idk

it’s just my favorite roster that i’m most excited for on paper

[glass sleet]

I get it

[static pond]

Idk who that is Saudi team?

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I currently don’t have an EU team to cheer for. I was a TM fan but stopped cheering for them cuz of their shit management

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They were so fun to watch.

Y’all forgot imoh emoting mid fight and still winning the map lol

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team vision was a saudi team that was 7th place and had two average korean imports. They got relegated and lost so they are a faceit team now

So instead of simple and taejong they have viol2t and choisewon now. just a little better

[cosmic socket]

viol2t to vision is such a weird choice

[static pond]

Ya

Prob for sel

Only

Not owcs

[glass sleet]

You’re not giving them justice explaining it like that. Their games were fucking entertaining and went to map 5 every series almost. Even the maps they lost were so SO close. Also their last 4-3 games they had to put simple on tank cuz imoh got banned

They would’ve beaten TU and take their place if they didn’t lose their tank

[static pond]

Surly violet wouldt waste his team

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7th place with two imports and a lot of money is disappointing

[hybrid hollow]

It's a horrible choice 🥀

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Hater

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“Hype moments and aura” doesn’t make it not unreal how they got relegated

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He’s old. Let him retire slowly

[hybrid hollow]

if he's gonna dodge military service he better do it right

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Unfairness cuz no tank gg

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Sakura gap back when imoh was in right?

[static pond]

This is only reason I see him going there

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Sakura lost to vision

So like what gap?

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nvm they beat sakura in a map 5.

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Yes

Fun

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27-7 map record gg

vision is just a shit org

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Hater

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so i am a hater

[hybrid hollow]

Ong

If someone got banned toronto would've had bro unbanned same day

[mortal cipher]

i think so

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💀

[tacit knoll]

cuz everyone is dead 🥀

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one day and it’s over

[grave python]

They need us

[worn falcon]

There's no esport yet

[weary scarab]

what am i watching

they playing better with seicoe on flex then irony

[mortal cipher]

Lol

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Seicoe playing Juno? Lol

[glass sleet]

I really like the 3 import rule

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[muted fjord]

my wintstreak ended

venture aint venturing no moe

wait wrong chat

[weary scarab]

bro alqadsiah is losing to the seicoe supp too

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Since when could Ziyad play hazard

Eu evolving

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They lost to qad’s mei.

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He’s not eu

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Middle eastern hazard

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Scottish in Middle East

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Omg which reminds me. Did you hear of the Scottish lady who’s walking from north to south of KSA?

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I did not

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I think she’ll be the first

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We don’t get news about non American countries over here

Sadly

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I saw it on YouTube

Like straight up news channels? Don’t watch that shit. Full of lies.

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How long would that even take

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No clue but it’s really cool. I had a recommended video of another lady driving through KSA on a bike and in one of her videos, the two meet in the middle of nowhere

Straight up desert 🏜️

She drove through so many countries on her motorbike

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Damn

Takes some spirit

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Yeah pretty cool

[humble token]

Why is seicoe on support

Forgor sel exisyed

[cosmic socket]

eu discovers main tanks

[weary scarab]

owcs roster lock tomorrow gonna be interesting

hope the violet choi thing is not true. mfs just cycling through the koreans

[torn portal]

Freaky friday

or zero respect for the other team

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Quartz getting a 3k high noon in the big 2025

[glass sleet]

The other team is twisted minds.

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They dropped Irony.

[wise orbit]

wait the saudi tourney is on

chat is ts worth watching

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2-2

Yes

[glass sleet]

Watching it with CX

[wise orbit]

wait gen.g is already out gg

[glass sleet]

Yeah but it’s not the same roster

Well

They had and didn’t have whoru

Idk why they allowed him to play when there’s a thing called roster lock

Than they said it’s fine he can play but it’s too late they lost too many games

Xzodyal isn’t playing

First place is better QAD and TM

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So did TM just not get anyone in time?

Fuk it, we have seicoe on fs I guess

[weary scarab]

nah i think they have someone

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No clue who it could be

[weary scarab]

saudi e league just had roster lock back when irony was in tm

now hes back in korea i think

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Maka

[weary scarab]

simple maybe

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Shame. Don’t think he had a chance to settle.

[glass sleet]

Oh yeah

[wise orbit]

I think tu with heesung can cook

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I really wanna believe that buuuuuut they have a big massive issue that starts with a K

[wise orbit]

hitscan stays meta hopefully

they're cooked in any double flex meta

[glass sleet]

That’s not even the issue

It’s kai

No matter the meta, he’s a problem.

Wait

Who the fuck is their ms

[wise orbit]

he's very inconsistent

[glass sleet]

And bad

[wise orbit]

kevster kinda becoming inconsistent as well

but if they're on a good day they can be one of the best dps line ups in eu

[glass sleet]

Eh

I genuinely lost all faith in Kai

I’ve been coping all stage but I can’t anymore it’s hard

[wise orbit]

What if sparkr returns to ow and tu sign him

[wise orbit]

wdym cope arent u a kai hater

[glass sleet]

Speaking of faith, he left. So unless they get a ms player, they’re stuck with double FS

[glass sleet]

I’m definitely a Kai hater now

[wise orbit]

u definitely was last year I remember

well everyone was

and is

im probably the only one who thinks hes ok

[glass sleet]

Oh nah I was being real during his time in ence

But now I’m just hating

[wise orbit]

we know he can play decently he just needs to stop being shit

[glass sleet]

He’s just not lbbd7 or Quartz. They’re constantly getting random picks in the neutral and Kai just constantly dying first in neutral

Or xzodyal

Fuk it, even cookie is better.

Brb map 5 started

[wise orbit]

tu? it's faith

unless they drop him for heesung but they probably dropping twilight since they already have a fs

Anyway gen.g got a crazy new dps line up and tu got a massively upgraded tank line up so I think they will go crazy next stage

maybe even beat vp

tm have 8 players ?

I assume they dropping tvnt

[weary scarab]

youbi giga brain

[weary scarab]

no irony hadi

hadi still in contract with tm but lft

[wise orbit]

interesting

tvnt and ksaa have similar hero pools so I don't see the point in keeping tvnt

[glass sleet]

But skai is so mid. I’d drop faith

Bro map 5 was pure chaos lol

[wise orbit]

eh, he's probably the best ana in eu

[glass sleet]

KSAA and tvnt on the same team is so weird. They both play the same heroes exactly

[glass sleet]

Not really an achievement ngl

Only Ana in eu

[wise orbit]

ig you can drop faith but then you need an eu ms

if they have twilight and heesung

[glass sleet]

Hmmmmm

Who

[wise orbit]

well he's decent as well

[glass sleet]

I think skai just plays Lucio

[wise orbit]

like the only good ana in eu

skai has a good lucio?

[glass sleet]

I think they’ll do the T1 thing

[glass sleet]

They’ll make it work I guess

[wise orbit]

also skai is more flexible right

compared to twilight

[glass sleet]

He played Lucio before but very little

[glass sleet]

No

[wise orbit]

which is why they didnt play him that much i assume

[glass sleet]

I think maybe just Juno but twilight should have a decent Juno by now

[wise orbit]

like surely faith skai is much better than twilight and skai ms

[glass sleet]

I would think cuz he joined very late. Didn’t have much scrim time

[glass sleet]

We saw faith skai and it was really bad

[humble token]

Ngl youbi carried

[wise orbit]

perhaps

I didnt watch many of the tu games

[glass sleet]

Yeah faith had so many inting

His Lucio is his worst hero

It’s just ggs

Poor faith

[wise orbit]

maybe u drop both koreans and get another korean ms

maybe thats the play

[glass sleet]

Twilight ngl was looking good

Even on kiriko

[wise orbit]

I agree but all the eu ms are so shit

[humble token]

Ksaa back on tm

?

[glass sleet]

They’re faith level

[glass sleet]

Yes

[humble token]

Wtf

[wise orbit]

which we agreed is bad

[humble token]

Do thty have

3 tanks

Lol

[glass sleet]

Yes so you don’t lose anything by replacing him with eu ms

Right?

You just gain heesung which is an upgrade

[glass sleet]

Hadi LFT

[wise orbit]

but u either get skai and a good ms or twilight and a bad ms

[humble token]

Left? Oh

[wise orbit]

if u get what i mean

[mortal cipher]

So irony

Is*

[wise orbit]

and irony is korean so he has brig gene which u lose with eu ms

[glass sleet]

My issue is I would rather have twilight over skai

[wise orbit]

so irony probably better anyway

[humble token]

I think tm should get heesung

To play divr

[wise orbit]

both of them are good

[glass sleet]

What

[wise orbit]

and i think skai is more flexible

[glass sleet]

Thought we’re talking about faith

[wise orbit]

sry mixed them up

but u get what i mean hopefully

[humble token]

Twiligth way better

[mortal cipher]

I swear every FS have to either have a brig or Lucio in their back pocket

[glass sleet]

Tbh faith’s brig looked really sus throughout stage 1

[humble token]

How is skai more flexible

[wise orbit]

probably much better than any eu ms

[glass sleet]

Twilight wasn’t around for Juno

[wise orbit]

eu ms are so shit at brig its unreal

[glass sleet]

I mean…if you saw the games, you might not think that

[humble token]

Juno easy hero to learn

[glass sleet]

I believe so

[wise orbit]

but yea rather have a decent fs and a good ms than a good fs and a trash ms

in my opinion

[mortal cipher]

Just took a minute lol

[glass sleet]

So you would keep faith?

Skai faith?

[humble token]

Also having tvnt and ksaa at same team just waste of money

[glass sleet]

Very true

[wise orbit]

honestly yea rather that over twilight skai

[wise orbit]

but the best play is probably to drop both and replace faith with another korean

[glass sleet]

Shu learning Juno mid match

[humble token]

Lol

[mortal cipher]

lol

[glass sleet]

We had skai faith and it just didn’t work. I don’t think getting heesung fixes that

[wise orbit]

well heesung is still an upgrade

[humble token]

Is heesung in any team rn

[glass sleet]

Both twilight and faith?

[wise orbit]

but yea the best play is probablt to drop both and replace faith with another korean

[glass sleet]

He is but it’s not like tank was their issue.

[glass sleet]

Rumors to TU

[wise orbit]

they will be able to play main tank comps much better

[humble token]

Oh

[wise orbit]

probably play off tank comps better also

[mortal cipher]

Not bad

[wise orbit]

yes

[humble token]

Cuz if tu get hessung they gonna be best team prob

[glass sleet]

He never been on a mixed roster so idk if communications would be an issue

[glass sleet]

Ok who would you replace them with

[wise orbit]

Idk

surely there are good korean ms you can sign

[glass sleet]

You’d want a Korean MS right?

[wise orbit]

yep

[glass sleet]

Some coaches think getting a kr ms is a waste

[wise orbit]

who

[glass sleet]

Not many kr ms out there

[glass sleet]

I don’t remember. It’s just something I remember hearing end of last year

[wise orbit]

alr

[glass sleet]

Get leesoomin on TU

He’s a fs that plays Lucio

[humble token]

Is tm gonna stick to seicoe on fs

[wise orbit]

does viol2t have a team yet

[mortal cipher]

Next coming of Violet lol

[glass sleet]

Rumors simple Joins TM

[humble token]

I thougth he retired

[mortal cipher]

Visions

[wise orbit]

viol2t skai would be good

[glass sleet]

Rumors he joined vision

[wise orbit]

oh wow

[glass sleet]

A faceit team

[humble token]

Who tf is vision

[wise orbit]

they didn't even qualify for stage 2

[glass sleet]

Stfu

Show some respect towards vision

[wise orbit]

why tf would he join vision lol

[humble token]

💀

[mortal cipher]

Emea team

[wise orbit]

from the third best team in the world to an eu faceit team

[glass sleet]

He’s at the end of his career where he wants easy games and as much money before retiring

[wise orbit]

wtf is going on hahah

[glass sleet]

Yeah they got relegated cuz they had so many roster issues

[wise orbit]

where did he say that

[humble token]

Violt should join tm and play fs

[mortal cipher]

He’s probably joining military soon so an easy way into EWC then probably end it

[glass sleet]

I didn’t say he said that. It’s just a common thing in sport

[wise orbit]

alr

[glass sleet]

Really?

[mortal cipher]

He went on stream talking about his career and how he loved playing on Korea with the crowds so I’d assume he’s almost done

[glass sleet]

TM’s average age would be 25

They’re old

[humble token]

Bro needs to back to his roots

[static turret]

Violet is on vision allegedly

Atleast their faceit roster has him in it

[glass sleet]

With Choi

[humble token]

Why didnt he stay a little longer on zeta then

[glass sleet]

They didn’t want him

[humble token]

Oh

[mortal cipher]

If he stayed in Korea probably instand military maybe

[humble token]

Who they getting instead

[static turret]

Alpahyi

[mortal cipher]

Opener lol

[static turret]

Opener is already on a team

[humble token]

Eh

[static turret]

Isn’t he

Opener is on alt tab

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[glass sleet]

Zeta realized that they didn’t drop in performance when they had alphayi so they got rid of violet

[humble token]

So he trying to avoid it

[mortal cipher]

As much as possible like fearless void and fate tried

[static turret]

He had to get out kr asap lol

[mortal cipher]

Lip has a year and half left

[static turret]

Same with hanbin i think

[wise orbit]

Lethal replacing him its fine

[mortal cipher]

Lol

[humble token]

Is military service mandatory for everyone in korea?

[mortal cipher]

Lethal beats lip then replaces him absolute goat

[static turret]

Lip hanbin fielder chiyo i think all have 2yrs left max

[mortal cipher]

Yep same with Israel and a few others

[glass sleet]

Yeah I think military service is 20-21 months

21 months if you’re navy

[wise orbit]

yea all men above 18

[mortal cipher]

Lip is next year

[static turret]

Yea lip is 23 already

[wise orbit]

btw chat I got out of military service

[static turret]

Cooked

[wise orbit]

I'm 100% going to stockholm this year

[mortal cipher]

We have our own server member in the military

[static turret]

Fielder and lip might retire around the same time if they don’t try to dodge

[glass sleet]

Mf aren’t you American?

[wise orbit]

no swedish

[static turret]

Demon tic right

[glass sleet]

We don’t have mandatory military service

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[glass sleet]

Oh

[glass sleet]

Ooooh shit

[static turret]

It’s gonna be weird

Seeing all these players gone

[mortal cipher]

Yep

[glass sleet]

Sweden has mandatory military service?

[static turret]

I think falcons should invest into Donghak rn

Ngl

[wise orbit]

mandatory try outs

[glass sleet]

Same

[humble token]

Eh not everyone

[wise orbit]

and if you get selected its mandatory service

[static turret]

Someone is 2yrs older and better but Donghak has more potential

[glass sleet]

Dafuq does that mean. You’re forced to give it a try?

[wise orbit]

they do physical and mental tests

[humble token]

U get selected for tryouts first then depending on how well u do on test

[wise orbit]

like an iq test, bicycle test, strength, pshycologist

and they give a score and then they decide if u do military

[glass sleet]

So people intentionally sandbagging

[humble token]

U may need to doservice

[wise orbit]

yep

I didn't though

[humble token]

Most ye

[glass sleet]

That’s kinda stupid

No disrespect

To Sweden

[mortal cipher]

A tad

[wise orbit]

there's actually enough motivated people to fill all the spots I think

most people I met at the place were rly excited to do military service

[glass sleet]

They think it’s like the movies

[humble token]

I did not even do tryout so

[wet bay]

OA picked up by Weibo Gaming now

And still pink thank god

[glass sleet]

LESSGOOOOO

[mortal cipher]

Which I knew they would

[glass sleet]

who’s that?

[mortal cipher]

A big Chinese org

[static turret]

I’m guessing a Chinese org

[humble token]

Imo its not worth it cuz u dont get a lot of cash

[glass sleet]

A big one?

[wet bay]

Idk probably some Chinese org

[mortal cipher]

Top 3 Chinese esports org

[glass sleet]

No one joins the military for the bag

[wise orbit]

Well it's probably a worth while experience

[static turret]

Waiting for the partner slot for China

[glass sleet]

Sweet

[wise orbit]

and it looks good on your resume

[glass sleet]

You ain’t a lazy bum

[wet bay]

It must be big in China after the game just returned and huge lan

[humble token]

True

[wise orbit]

I'm too lazy though

hahah

[glass sleet]

You’re hired

[mortal cipher]

It’s between probably BiliBili Weibo Top or maybe JDG on top 3

[wet bay]

Apparently Onside/FTG might lose their spot in Korea because they don't have enough players anymore

[static turret]

Wait so billi is sponsoring them and they got a contract with weibo?

[humble token]

I feel like it ruins the pace on studies though

[glass sleet]

Didn’t JDG pick them up for EWC?

[mortal cipher]

Ye I guess a joint

[wise orbit]

ye probably

[glass sleet]

Hello?

[wise orbit]

I kinda want to work a bit first anyway though

[glass sleet]

You can be an org with sponsors

[mortal cipher]

No that was lgd

[glass sleet]

That’s how every big org works

[wise orbit]

but if u wanna study asap it’s probablt annoying

[glass sleet]

Oh yeah true true

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

Which is kinda fitting because guxue came from LGD

[wet bay]

How long do these Koreans need to be out of the country to not need military service anyways

What age is it mandatory

[mortal cipher]

no idea

[glass sleet]

Fuk em for leaving after EWC

well nvm

[glass sleet]

18 above is mandatory

[mortal cipher]

I think it was a ewc exclusive

Since no Chinese servers

[wet bay]

Yeah a bunch of sponsors came in just for EWC like the Toronto one

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[glass sleet]

Btw

[wet bay]

Way more money in that than the rest of owcs

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[glass sleet]

Kr mandatory military service is only for males

I just learned that

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[wise orbit]

vp signed their first team at ewc right

[glass sleet]

Yes

They picked up Ataraxia’s roster

[wet bay]

Isn't it like that in most places

[wise orbit]

ye

[mortal cipher]

Most of the orgs came from ewc

[glass sleet]

Toronto ultra? They’re Toronto defiant. Same company. They just kept a different name

[glass sleet]

No clue. This American don’t have military service

[wise orbit]

Sweden might be the only country on earth with gender neutral conscription

[wet bay]

Is it, I assumed it was a sponsor or something, what's with the name change then

[mortal cipher]

It’s their cod org

[wise orbit]

and Israel

ig

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[glass sleet]

You know how OWL had teams with their special names depending on their city? It was just actual orgs with different names. Like outlaws were actually optic, Toronto defiant was actually Ultra, spitfire were cloud9, shock were actually NRG.

[wet bay]

Well yeah I knew that

But why'd they changed their name at ewc

[mortal cipher]

Idk

[glass sleet]

Marketing. Keeping your teams under the same name is better. No one knows who the FUCK TD is from OW. But they’d know if it was ULTRA

[wet bay]

The whole owl team name thing was kinda odd anyways

London Spitfire when it was 12 Koreans or whatever

[glass sleet]

“Oh hey that ow team is ultra. Same org I cheer for from COD. I’ll cheer for them too”

[mortal cipher]

They tried doing pro sports for owl didn’t work after 2020-2021

They also own KOI somehow

[glass sleet]

Yeah

[mortal cipher]

Kinda funny since an a Spanish team in the LEC

[glass sleet]

Geng is Korean and they’re playing in eu

[mortal cipher]

Yeah

[glass sleet]

Ssg is na and they had an eu team last year

[mortal cipher]

That’s a bit different than a Spanish and na

[glass sleet]

Falcons is Saudi and they’re chilling in kr lol

[mortal cipher]

Byway

Yeah lol

GenG just could afford a Korean slot

Couldn’t *

[glass sleet]

GenG has an HQ in Saudi

[mortal cipher]

Interesting

[glass sleet]

They’re one of the partnered orgs from EWC I believe

[mortal cipher]

I think

[glass sleet]

Speaking of Saudi and EWC. Apparently Saudi made 137 billion last year from their non oil business

So maybe EWC is actually working

[wet bay]

Every org just gonna compete in the region where most success is possible

[mortal cipher]

Free money is helpful lol

[glass sleet]

Also geng being ow partnered org in eu helps

Instead of not being partner in Asia

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[glass sleet]

What free money?

Teams winning in other regions?

[mortal cipher]

A lot of the orgs get a lot of money for attending ewc

Maybe I’m wrong

[glass sleet]

Oh yes yes. All the partner orgs got money to invest.

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[glass sleet]

GenG was one of them

Anyway! Glad esports isn’t dying. Igtg eat I’m starving.

[mortal cipher]

Ight

[static turret]

I like Owcs

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[static turret]

And it’s getting bigger

[wet bay]

The top 3 teams being Saudi and Japanese and then WAY just sat there without an org lol

[mortal cipher]

lol

It’s like more of all the other esports and pre owl

[static turret]

I could see them doing more than 3 lans a year in the future

[mortal cipher]

Hopefully

At least Korea is lan for most of the time

[static turret]

Yea

[mortal cipher]

So we have one region being lan hopefully the others get lan

[static turret]

I just would like more interaction between regions

[mortal cipher]

Ye

[torn portal]

tm really won that?

[glass sleet]

Quartz got a 3k high noon at the end lol. Would’ve been a full cap by QAD

[glass sleet]

I mean EMEA kinda have SEL. Hopefully full rosters can play next stage

[torn portal]

new cass perk gg

[glass sleet]

Idk. He got them a split second before dying

[grave python]

OWCS > OWL

[static pond]

So with mr getting a esports a 3 million prize pool y’all think some
Ow pros will move?

[torn portal]

before this year i’d call you insane

but real hero bans, team skins eventually, highkey better format

[glass sleet]

Ofc

[cold pond]

any die hard guxue fans here?

[torn portal]

no

[grave python]

Nop but he's a very good player

[grave python]

Yeah and hopefully they'll keep improving everything

[cosmic socket]

https://x.com/NTMRgg/status/1918017594214305834

NTMR (@NTMRgg) on X

Even when times were tough, you stayed strong and passionate.

Keep giving your opponents nightmares, no matter the stage.

We’ll be rooting for you.

#FearTheNTMR | #OWCS

X · May 1, 2025, 7:00 PM

[obtuse socket]

Who will saebyeolbe play for this year?

[sullen berry]

https://x.com/esports_ROC/status/1918026776929784317

ROC Esports 🦅 (@esports_ROC) on X

Oh you thought we were done..?🤭

Not even close. Say hello to the next two joining our Overwatch lineup 🦅

🇰🇷 @ow_spectra
🇨🇳 Jinmu

Welcome boys 💜

X · May 1, 2025, 7:36 PM

[sullen berry]

We really lost peak NTMR roster to the economy

[young fractal]

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[static turret]

Ain’t no way

[static turret]

https://x.com/OWCSHotTakes/status/1918049508606292231 @torn portal @hybrid hollow thoughts

OWCS Hot Takes (@OWCSHotTakes) on X

Shu>stalker>bernar top 3 right now

X · May 1, 2025, 9:06 PM

[hybrid hollow]

Ethical bernar glaze

[static turret]

Shu number 1 itw isn’t crazy to say

[torn portal]

Glaze but i’ll let it slide

[hybrid hollow]

Bernar might not be top 3

But at the same time

He just might be

[static turret]

Idk I think Bernar is overlooked

It’s just bc he doesn’t have the Winston gene

[wet bay]

I'm a Bernar hater tbh

[hazy marsh]

hes the overlord of horse council though

[wet bay]

The Bernston was crazy

[hazy marsh]

put him on a team with a good main tank and you're golden

[wet bay]

They'll surely get signed elsewhere

[cosmic socket]

oh yeah no doubt

top 3 at a lan while winning against koreans

[static turret]

Let me spit something crazy

Pause

Bernar=hanbin

The longer owcs goes on hanbin is starting to like the a liability for his team

[wet bay]

Both of them are liabilities

[static turret]

He hasn’t preformed well

Bernar is the goat

Just don’t got the Winston gene

Which is a liability indeed

[wet bay]

Not being able to play Winston Ball is a big thing

At least Bernar can do the Haz

[static turret]

Eh ball not so much as it’s more niche comps but Winston yea

Really only one team is still pulling ball comps out

T1 should run ball tho

They have Donghak

[wet bay]

I mean, if Falcons had Junbin don't you think they'd be able to

[static turret]

It’s bc they have junbin they can

He’s the ball man himself in owcs

[wet bay]

The only other good ball player in Korea is like Donghak

[static turret]

Also moon is a big part of it

[wet bay]

And Heesung but idk how he levels to those two

[static turret]

Moon is the demon ball coach

[wet bay]

I wonder how a team with solo Max would compare to Bernar/Hanbin

[static turret]

I think max > both tbh

[wet bay]

He did diff Hanbin that last map

Just feel like he doesn't play enough to really know

[static turret]

Hanbin had a rough lan

[wet bay]

What was that last map even

Falcons tryna be London Spitfire and it's Hanbin on Rein

[static turret]

The hanbin rein was crazy

[wet bay]

Everyone running DVA on circuit was so weird

[static turret]

Felt like they just gave up

[static turret]

Off tank central

Wasn’t sig banner

[wet bay]

Yeah but surely she's not better than Sig still

[static turret]

Banned

I don’t remember

Also tho it depends if they practice the sig comp

I guess some didn’t

[wet bay]

Prob

I wonder how good those types of comps will be next stage

Bap Lucio both got buffs I think idk if they were a big deal

[static turret]

I think circuit is still in the map pool

[wet bay]

I miss Bap Lucio have barely seen that since Juno

[static pond]

I think max can play some
Mt

[wet bay]

I saw him play ball one time but it was vs some shitter team

[static pond]

That why teams wanted him
Him during owl

[static pond]

Winston he can play

Apparently that why he was wanted by dragons

[wet bay]

If the esport is still around in a few years I suspect the majority of players will be these types of hyperflex players

Apparently stalker had playtime on every DPS hero in stage 1 lol

[torn portal]

https://x.com/t1_official_gg/status/1917775995806876130?s=46 👀

T1 Official (@T1_official_gg) on X

Welcome 'Avast'

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X · May 1, 2025, 3:00 AM

[hazy marsh]

'avast'

[glass sleet]

Why is this funny

[glass sleet]

A support >a dps> a tank.

[torn portal]

@glass sleet @static turret

[glass sleet]

Roc gonna need someone else now

[torn portal]

thanks zeddus :/

[glass sleet]

Last time I saw him play was for m80 complaining mid game he’s starving

[static turret]

He’s just here for the moments

[young fractal]

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[static turret]

@hybrid hollow @torn portal old ocean back at it

Rosters get announced tmmr

Should see some big changes

[mortal cipher]

prob

[crimson idol]

highkey cant wait

wish there was like a fantasy football mode for this

ik they attempted this in OW1 but it didnt stick for me

[static turret]

You know what’s crazy

You could make a top 3/4 kr team out of the eu imports

Heesung jaewoo checkmate violet fixa

Throw in whoru or simple if you wanna switch it up

[robust patio]

lol

real

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[hazy marsh]

have there been any news on Someone since stage 1?

[young fractal]

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[weary scarab]

roster lock today

so hopefully found a team

https://x.com/MCD_OW/status/1918232784281522198

MCD (@MCD_OW) on X

LFT ALL

discord : MCD1225

X · May 2, 2025, 9:15 AM

[wet bay]

How did Vesta Crew qualify but not New Era lol

They're both trash tbf but how have vec managed to make 4 stages in a row

https://x.com/OWCEsports/status/1918258289068130418?t=pD6RL5rdtm847ZezraBDmA&s=19

Cavalry Esports (@OWCEsports) on X

Strengthening their tank lineup, @virtuspro_OW2 welcome @eis_ow to their roster 🛡️

X · May 2, 2025, 10:56 AM

[split flume]

like gravity, vec is always there

getting bottom 2 in owcs korea

[static turret]

this is a w pickup

[torn portal]

does he play main tank?

highkey don’t remember

[static turret]

hazard

[wet bay]

They posted him w a Winston picture so I assume

[static turret]

and mauga i think

[wet bay]

I don't remember him playing anything tbh

Just remember he played on peps

[torn portal]

?

Vestola played both well

[static turret]

vestola never played hazard

like never

[torn portal]

really

[static turret]

nop

[torn portal]

well if they can play winston now there is nothing stopping dive here

kr fdps and kr main support

[wet bay]

Idk it's eu

There's like

Eu infection

[torn portal]

Heesung matchup would be a challenge

If he’s going eu

[static turret]

i mean a

[wet bay]

Heesung is the goat so unaffected by this

Will carry TU

[static turret]

prob

waiting for tu to announce roster

[torn portal]

but like

shockwave jaewoo

fixa is so much better than faith

[wet bay]

When is roster lock anyways

Rumour was that they're dropping faith

[torn portal]

really soon

[static turret]

i do fw the eis pick up tho

he looked really good on peps

[torn portal]

ya

he just couldn’t hang with the elastic pressure of tu

or was it tm that knocked them out i don’t remember

barely watched eu

[wet bay]

TM I think

Apparently Kellex is going ALQ also

[hybrid hollow]

Haku finally gone

[humble token]

Eu>na stage 2

[torn portal]

wait if liquid gets zeruhh

[humble token]

Wont happen

Also sel has gotten better

[humble token]

Whats this

I mean

Who is this

[wet bay]

Eisgnom

Peps tank in stage 1

[static turret]

yo

where is zeruhh

[torn portal]

that’s what i was saying

liquid might be the best in the west if that’s what happened

they need a sixth player

it’s either danny or zeruhh no in between

[static turret]

They might drop knife

Having 3 fdps is useless when tr33 is hyper flex

Wait

Let me cook

Zeruhh is signed to envy and they’re finalizing the rest of the teams deals

[humble token]

Oh

Was confused when it just said eis

[glass sleet]

Don’t they play the same heroes?

[weary scarab]

they dont have to release their roster to the public today jsut roster lock

its so bad

should be public information directly

[humble token]

Bro sel is so bs

Why do they swap matches

[sullen berry]

Eigsnom
Eis ✅
eis pre Crazy Raccoons match ❌

https://x.com/eis_ow/status/1913322624199115244

Eis_ow (@eis_ow) on X

@OW_Esports @cuffah @NTMRgg Youre not Bro. Everyone on the planet knows that NTMR are chokers. the lights are very bright on that stage. Im going with Virtus Pro as best in the west all the way!

X · Apr 18, 2025, 8:03 PM

[glass sleet]

Did VP choke or were just shit?

In china.

[static turret]

they had a crazy lineup to face

qads was free ig

vp and cr tho

ntmr beat cr and basically gave vp a forced loss

[mortal cipher]

They lost 6-0 to T1 and Once Again now Weibo Gaming in a row but NTMR beat CR 3-1

[static turret]

can we talk about how good sel is tho

[mortal cipher]

Iirc they only beat their eu counterparts and lost to Once Again and Crazy Raccoon in stomp

[glass sleet]

They won that one king’s row map against Max

[static turret]

vestola sig is crazy good

[glass sleet]

No, you do not glaze now after calling it boring this year.

[static turret]

but vp shown they cant hang with dive at all

[static turret]

Last year was a snoozer compared to this one idk

It was just tm win

Tm win

Tm win

[glass sleet]

Their tank is Vestola? We shocked?

[static turret]

Boo

[mortal cipher]

Ok I forgot if they took a map off CR or not

[glass sleet]

I said this year.

[static turret]

I expected a snoozer

I was wrong

It happens

Good ow

[glass sleet]

Yeah. I really wanted falcons to join. Imagine sel with geng, QAD, tm, vision, and falcons.

[mortal cipher]

That said NTMR got top 3 and beat Crazy raccoon without a single Korean import

[static turret]

Falcons have a sel women’s team I think

[glass sleet]

But unfortunately tm got KSAA so falcons can’t have him

[glass sleet]

Ye

[mortal cipher]

Lol

[static turret]

I mean

They could find a tank just for sel

[glass sleet]

Tm and QAD’s women team are playing GF rn and it’s the same score and map pick

[static turret]

Saudi tank stalker proper chiyo Majed

[mortal cipher]

Lol

[glass sleet]

I was thinking KSAA sirmajed and then 3 Koreans

[static turret]

Ye

[glass sleet]

But maybe tm drops tvnt and HE can join them

[static turret]

Lowkey I just want Majed to play something

[glass sleet]

But I bet Koreans just don’t wanna play sel

[static turret]

I feel like he’s still really good

[glass sleet]

Unfortunately doesn’t play

[static turret]

He’s getting a map vs old ocean

Trust

[glass sleet]

Maybe early on in the stage

Maybe

[mortal cipher]

Old Ocean sweeps those frauds falcons lol

[static turret]

Ryu doesn’t even know he’s on the roster

[mortal cipher]

[glass sleet]

Quartz is disgusting

Gets a 4k clutch in OT

[weary scarab]

icl quartz diffing this map

[glass sleet]

Erm, how did they not kill youbi there?

[humble token]

Quartz is back on top

[glass sleet]

He was 10hp and lived

[humble token]

Its best out of 4 rigth

[glass sleet]

First to 4

[humble token]

I meant that

[weary scarab]

why do youbi live everytime with 1 hp lol

[wet bay]

I haven't watched any of this

Why is youbi on support

And why they winning

Oh wait

It's seicoe on supp

[humble token]

Tm just threw map

[glass sleet]

Ggs QAD

better team

[glass sleet]

Yes cuz they dropped Irony and they don’t have anyone else

Lbbd7 might be best dps in emea atm ngl

[azure hill]

check out this rage hascker on soldier ZTAG4N

[ashen canyon]

omg

thats insane

why is he ragehacking

[torn portal]

also the current team is european, australian, european, american, and european

[robust patio]

what games are happening

eu? faceit?

[torn portal]

none yet

[robust patio]

what are the convos

about

[torn portal]

roster lock is soon tho and ntmr roster is leaving

ntmr has to make a fully new roster

[static turret]

Heesung when to tu

Allegedly

He’s in eu tho

Violet is on team vision

[torn portal]

likely a new org for na (envy 👀) will pick up the ntmr boys

[torn portal]

viol2t choisewon on team vision, which by the way got relegated

[robust patio]

cant believe old ocean

is back

[torn portal]

they are a faceit masters team

[static turret]

Ryu isn’t done

[robust patio]

shy

why

[torn portal]

saudi faceit masters team has VIOL2T 😭

[static turret]

Ntmr dropped them they didn’t have the money

They dropped their mr team aswell

[torn portal]

sad

[robust patio]

lmao

[torn portal]

very sad

[static turret]

Also

Isu dropped their collegiate program

[robust patio]

heesang sparing zeruhh everytime

[torn portal]

what

noooo

[static turret]

Does that mean their imports are officially not na

?

[torn portal]

isu 💔

[static turret]

They’re still in college

But what does this mean

[robust patio]

didnt someone say heesung

went to eu

[static turret]

He did

[robust patio]

why is he back in korea

[static turret]

They haven’t updated

[robust patio]

ah

[static turret]

One side lost their slot potentially

[robust patio]

where is heesung going then

[static turret]

They didn’t have enough players but I think they signed new team

[static turret]

Allegedly tu

He’s gonna go play with twilight

Also jinmu is back

[robust patio]

cant wait to see how this team performs

[static turret]

Eu has had hella roster changes

Eis went to vp

[robust patio]

bro was getting bullied by shy

[static turret]

Ksaa back to tm

Tred to peps

Hadi might be going to Qads

[robust patio]

hmm

ksaa back to tm

well see how that goes

tm might actually qualify for one time

[static turret]

Someone and merit are coming back potentially

Just don’t know where

Rumored t1 or falcons

[crimson idol]

am i crazy to say that mag would be the one to hold this team back

[static turret]

Not crazy at all

That’s what might happen

[glass sleet]

It’s crazy that lbbd7 announced his retirement after Stockholm

Glad he changed his mind

And I hope youbi is not threatening Quartz with lowering his salary cuz he lost to lbbd7. “I should’ve got rid of you instead!!”

[cosmic socket]

this is lbbds year so far

went from pharah otp to a top eu hitscan

like out of nowhere

[wet bay]

Onside haven't even got a spot anymore

You have to keep 3 players from the last stage

https://x.com/Timeless_OW/status/1918412634413826162?t=JGgWliT42_YBLDlw_gKnRQ&s=19

Timeless ERS (@Timeless_OW) on X

The cycle continues, another historic chapter concludes.

Thank you to our amazing OWCS players and staff. Best of luck in your next journey!

🔹 @Raikker_
🔹 @ChopperOW1
🔹 @Rokit_OW
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#ShatteredTime⏳ | #OWCS

X · May 2, 2025, 9:09 PM

[static pond]

https://x.com/someone0424/status/1918486638294184057?s=46

Someone (@someone0424) on X

I’m back

X · May 3, 2025, 2:03 AM

https://x.com/ow_checkmate/status/1918493310018105546?s=46

QAD Checkmate (@ow_checkmate) on X

@someone0424 Welcome to saudi habibi!

X · May 3, 2025, 2:30 AM

[mortal cipher]

[static turret]

Everyone is saying welcome

Unter said it to

[sullen berry]

Ill post the send half of this weekend's Rosterpocalypse tomorrow in #esports-news since ive missed a few big ones today

[sullen berry]

Same fate that hayabusa gaming have in JP, have to earn their spot back in Open Qualifiers

[static turret]

Lots of rumors going around idk if anyone’s locked their roster officially

[crimson idol]

holyyyyy

[cosmic socket]

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-meme-surprise-shock-gif-21311476

[viscid hatch]

Anyone know what team

[robust patio]

he might join Qad

but idk

my military training is officially almost done

[robust patio]

someone might join qad

[torn portal]

@static turret @hybrid hollow https://x.com/northwoodesport/status/1918374964475896064?s=46 u?

Northwood Esports (@NorthwoodEsport) on X

The best NA support duo btw 👯‍♂️

@cjayow @Lep_ow
#CECCTexas2025

X · May 2, 2025, 6:40 PM

[sullen berry]

Kept myself distracted seeing who won Saudi Womens eLeague LAN today

https://fxtwitter.com/Aniyun_/status/1918387587775119745
https://fxtwitter.com/Aniyun_/status/1917648230055084399?t=pI9RsSDtKwKhiDle_smTuQ&s=19

Yunhee (@Aniyun_)

4-3 @TwisMinds GGS first lan win and first mvp love my teammates love saudi and thank you al qadsiah 🥰

Quoting الدوري السعودي للرياضات الإلكترونية (@SaudieLeague)
︀
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FxTwitter · May 2, 2025, 7:30 PM

Yunhee (@Aniyun_)

it's so hot here...

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FxTwitter · Apr 30, 2025, 6:32 PM

[mortal cipher]

lol

[static pond]

https://x.com/anamo_ow/status/1918548837020451265?s=46

Anamo (@Anamo_ow) on X

Hello I am Anamo, My military service is ending next week, and I was disappointed as a player and have a lot of regrets, so I want to help the players and make the team grow while working as an Overwatch coach in the future. If you are interested in me please add anamo#6509!

X · May 3, 2025, 6:11 AM

[sullen berry]

https://x.com/someone0424/status/1918547654511882322

Someone (@someone0424) on X

Big brain coach is back too

X · May 3, 2025, 6:06 AM

@static pond anamo apologising for not carrying hydron in 2022

[mortal cipher]

lol

[weary scarab]

Surely tm or falcons

[robust patio]

Someone told me he won the lawsuit fight against T1 @torn portal

[weary scarab]

new zeta tank

[wet bay]

Wasn't he on new era or one of those shit teams

Probably just for the 6 player minimum ig

Maybe will get playtime on Winston or something but I don't remember him being anything special

[viscid hatch]

Still no main support though

[hybrid hollow]

Wym alphayi is right there

[hybrid hollow]

Wait are there matches today

[mortal cipher]

when where

[hybrid hollow]

There aren't any unfortunately

[wet bay]

Have you guys seen that owcs hot takes twitter

[hybrid hollow]

Link

[wet bay]

https://x.com/OWCSHotTakes?t=_4c4ma7KTAy8VgKffIBm4g&s=09

OWCS Hot Takes (@OWCSHotTakes) on X

use link for anonymous submissions. owcs, ewc, faceit, collegiate, CAH, owetwt, etc.

X

[hybrid hollow]

Ngl all these are shit

And not in like the good way

[wet bay]

Yeah

[hybrid hollow]

x player is bad despite being more than proven over the last 2-7 years

[wet bay]

Most of them are just troll submissions or whatnot

I subbed two but only one of them got on it

What is this lol https://x.com/OWCSHotTakes/status/1918607041905451160?t=Wbj6Qvc-GvnApbV2E46wug&s=19

OWCS Hot Takes (@OWCSHotTakes) on X

Youbi would be the best fdps if he was in NA

X · May 3, 2025, 10:02 AM

[glass sleet]

Norway

He said he wanted to play in kr and now maybe he joined a Saudi team?

[wet bay]

Where would he even join

I assume it's just Falcons

[static turret]

@hybrid hollow why is Ryan in ohziy stream

[hybrid hollow]

Watching ohziy at 11:41 am

[static turret]

I’m watching a YouTube video

[hybrid hollow]

Oh

[static turret]

He hit gm on pc

With a controller

[hybrid hollow]

Maybe he is the console goat

[sullen berry]

https://x.com/rXisOW/status/1918263586369225045

ryan (@rXisOW) on X

OWCS Asia Stage 2 prize pools (USD)
KR: 30K -> 51.5K
JP: 20K -> 33.5K
PAC: 15K -> 15K
Don't even give us any portion we would've gotten from playing in the cancelled OWCS Asia.
JP >2x PAC prize pool when we hold a 5-1 record vs them in OWCS Asia LOL

X · May 2, 2025, 11:17 AM

https://x.com/rXisOW/status/1918263591922483663

ryan (@rXisOW) on X

The 7-8th team gets 80USD per player from 2 months of their time dedicating to the sport. Yet if we perform well despite everything against us nothing will ever change. Blatant lie of a goal from WDG/BLIZZ to close the gap when it's only widening because of them.

X · May 2, 2025, 11:17 AM

[mortal cipher]

oh