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I’M TS O

TITS OUT

ITS OUT

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LETS GO

https://x.com/TeamLiquid/status/1881824100475404524

Team Liquid (@TeamLiquid) on X

Heroes never die. We just return 7 years later.

Introducing Team Liquid Overwatch
⚒ @InfektedOW
🔫 @TR33_OW
🔫 @KNIFE__OW
💉 @VegaOverwatch
💉 @RupalZaman
🧠 @Casores_OW
🧠 @ow_danny

#OWCS #LETSGOLIQUID

X · Jan 21, 2025, 10:00 PM

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That’s a sick roster

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I agree

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@torn portal @hybrid hollow

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They opted for only one import it seems

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They got pretty much the best options

Rupal is a owl winner and Vega is a good ms

Tr33 showed hella improvement

Infekted aswell

and knife is knife lol

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maybe a korean off tank player would be good

if they want more flexibility

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how flexible is infekted

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He's impressed me on winston and orisa

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He plays most main tanks

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idk about the other tanks

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His queen tho…

It needs work

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...

we all remember that rampage

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I think his ball is good too?

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He’s a solid solo tank

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and rein

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A off tank wouldn’t be bad tho yea

But infekted said he wants to only@solo tank

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his signature heroes on liquipedia are monkey ball rein

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i see

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So the rumor was pretty much right but instead of peli it's knife

Ngl that's a crazy dps line

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Knife is crazy good

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I don't think infekted will struggle that much he's a solid player

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Pretty much two budget propers

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And tr33 has aura

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nah

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Homestly

Honestly

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he wont struggle

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Infekted has never struggled as a solo tank

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Liquid>ssg imo

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Ntmr only picked up clear to stop other teams from getting him

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https://tenor.com/view/thats-not-ridiculous-thats-not-ridiculous-to-say-that-thats-not-ridiculous-meme-gif-11489839477285394127

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Aside from sugarfree they have the better player in every position

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Yeah

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is tree better than seeker?

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Even then tho how much worse is knife than Lenny ?

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best tank in na, second best dps, and the best backline in na

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Yeah

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In a Sojurn meta yes

Imo

And tr33 can flex

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Purely hitscan outside of soj seeker might be a little better but it's not a gap big enough to ignore tr33s flexibility

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yall think vega is better than bliss

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infekted is probably better than kellan

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He’s the best na ms

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how do their backlines compare?

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Depends if Vega got better at Lucio

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not even probably

He just is

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Kellan has a better queen

That’s it

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Tbh

Well

Idk I haven't seen infected queen outside of joats

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Nah infekted was getting shaboinged

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infekted queen aint it

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We saw the rampages

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solid on everything else tho

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Kellan was finding more value

We haven’t seen kellan off ping tho

Or off queen

And the players have most likely improved

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Tr33 was “ Na Proper “

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is*

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Good point

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Ssg has scissors backup so they can run double flex if needed

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Was winning contenders as a 13 year old

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If Lenny wasn't stuffed to the brim with aura tree would be the best dps in na

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Can lenny hard carry

If needed

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the rivalry will go crazy

where is pge tho

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Knife tr33 is a crazy lineup

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Um…

Who’s gonna tell him

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Sheffield Dragons

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wtf is that

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I love pge but he’s no longer material to be a player

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I think it’s a collegiate team

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genuinely

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I need these na matches

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Nah

Wait

It might be actually

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Is it not ???

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He's on pot noodle eSports

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Gg

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Idk collegiate teams have sum funny names

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Ye

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na when it's not liquid vs ssg 😴

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Yep

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If@only na had more than 2 good teams

It would be more hype

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TL is just gonna stomp
Again

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Eu and kr are packed with comp

And na is so shit

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Tru

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2 teams and the rest are filled with mid

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better than just one at least

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True

Team 3rd option didn’t look bad

But they’re gonna get farmed

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In every esport there is rlly only 3 competitive NA teams

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EU has like 5 teams that have a chance of making LAN

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Eu has hella good teams

Eu>na

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Ye

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Sadly

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Maybe this year EU beats NA

lol

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Gen g still no roster ?

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nobody believed me when I said this year was the year of eu

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only rumored

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w saudi money

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Lol

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we got all the good coaches too

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All that to get cooked by TL

Knife is gonna aura farm in na

Assuming he’s off ping

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What is the geng rumour even, Mag Sauna

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Which he 100% is

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Who else

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TL is an international Team

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mag sauna topdragon crispy khenail

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Crusty as coach

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So they brought him to na?

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crusty coach

yea

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Who ???

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Knife

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Oh

I mean ye

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I would root for gen.g if they got sparkr

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He was nasty on Fnatic

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Ok so knife is gonna farm na

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if not I will root for vp

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I will because it’s GenG

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that announcement video was legendary

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As long as he doesn’t farm Lenny

Then I’m a TL fan

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that shit had me in tears

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I see no reason not to pick him up so hopefully they do

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Straight outta 2010

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im rooting for ntmr till they immediately get fucked by ssg and liquid

THEN im rooting for liquid

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garry's mod ahh announcement video

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What does knife play

Everything ?

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What does Sauna even play other than Tracer

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I'm rooting for ssg in na only because of unter

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I have no idea honestly

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Both teams will make lan

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but his tracer is really good

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Every time

I need the TL vs OA

That sounds fire

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Like surely Sparkr is just a better option when he can play both Soj and Tracer now it's hero bans

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White boy winston vs Guxue ?

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I’m rooting for TL because TL is my na team and I’ve been a fan since smash bros

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Little proper vs shy ?

I can’t have my na goats go out sad

I need them to lock in

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American Prooer vs Proper

Proper*

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I hope chase becomes eus infekted

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He lowkey looked good

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Ye

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chase?

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And eu is in need of a Winston

Or any dive tank

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I believe in his ball too

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Na only has one dive tank it’s ok

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oh yeah hes on tu

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Hadi cooks on Hazard

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are we waiting on any other roster announcements besides geng

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What is chase gonna do tho surely he just gets target banned any time they put him in, does he play stuff other than monkey

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I need these matches@to come faster

We got kr coming soon

Donghak return

Viper training arc

Ftg return

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I guess an offical T1 announcement by SKT themselves

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korea starts on friday so thats cool

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Ye

We actually Korean orgs now

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Ftg gonna 3-0 CR trust

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lol

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surely

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Now that my team is dead I'm a ftg fan

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heesung no diffs junbin

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This year of owcs is gonna be way better

More comp

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Rumors say T1 is the best but when do we ever put stock into rumors or scrims lol

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Players got better

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Which team ???

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we even got unc soon to come back

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I hope the viewership keeps rising

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Chris and Hadi told us Stockholm was their best chance to win it all and look what happened 😔 I don't believe nothing until the matches

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scrims mean absolutely nothing

especially korean

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Tru and always those scrims always fall except maybe once

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Exactly

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From the gamer, Heesung Prophet Seonjun Vindaim Vigilante

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Well FTG is now Zeta Division

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Ftg is their own team

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I still remember when eu teams were saying cr and falcons were mid before ewc

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Ftg and zeta are different now

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I mean the original FTG became ZETA

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Oh yea

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Ye

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New ftg looks cool tho

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I don't know why Zeta dropped Heesung

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Vindaim tho ….

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Contract expired

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its weird because zeta doesn't have another main tank

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But Bernar is a beast

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and heesung is pretty good from what ive seen

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Ye

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Well yeah but he did well, they had a 7th slot

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yea hes probably nothing compared to bernar but you'd still want a winston player for illios, gib etc

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Ye

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Maybe they just decided now that there's hero bans they don't want someone just for Winston and let Bernar do everything

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true actually

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Mine was Fnatic

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hope we see even more orgs joining this year

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Hopefully

Imagine HLE joins lol

or KT then we can have a Telecom war in Overwatch lol

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xD

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It's nice to have a regular season with promotion and relegation now

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Ye

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The swiss stuff was so ass last year, the only thing that felt better than owl was how anyone could enter

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That was better

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The swiss? Or you mean anyone entering

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Anyone entering

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its interesting how eu went from basically just having christfer to almost every team having a top tier coach lol

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Tru

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The only real downside for players is less money but owl money was never sustainable really

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After 2020 or 2021 it stopped being sustainable

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The format feels good now imo

More LANs mean more viewership maybe?

Big names are coming so ppl will recognize

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Team liquid is nice

but where is lenny bro

😔

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Sadly Pacific no stream though

Not that they have any chance of making it anywhere but every region should get a stream

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Nvm just found the roster

:d

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Also Koreans seem outraged that their stream is only on Soop but idk why, do they not like Soop?

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Wait what

So we can’t watch kr matches

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No idea hopefully English stream stays the same

If not I'll just be watching commanderx instead

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i think ssg or ntmr

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I found it he’s on ssg

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https://x.com/kapey774/status/1881769245035602041?s=46

forever774 (@Kapey774) on X

X · Jan 21, 2025, 6:22 PM

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wow i am so surprised with this roster oh my goodness! i couldn’t fathom this team ever being a roster until right now!

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Absolutely massive news

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Team l looks good

Can’t wait to see ssg vs TL

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ye he is

as a sub

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hopefully a banger

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You know what else is massive

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The leaks are so damn accurate

Knife was just lost and found himself on that team

They still have a slot for a second import, no?

SSG or TL. Who has the better roster?

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TL

On paper TL should have the better roster

But we don’t know if any of the players have improved/regressed over the time

But as of rn TL should dominate

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Really? Tr33 knife over Sugarfree, Seeker?

Infekted over Kellan I get but he did lose to Kellan

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Sugarfree and Seeker and Kellen are on SSG

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Kellan only redeeming hero is Queen

Infekted gaps anywhere else

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And bliss over Vega and cjay and rupal are kinda equal imo

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Tr33 is na proper

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all are on SSg

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And knife is crazy good

Cjay had a really good Juno but Rupal also gaps anywhere else

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Idk. We’ll have to see I guess

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Yea

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most if not all of those yu just mentioned are on the SSG roster

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I don’t think he gaps cjay on anything other than maybe Ana

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And?

I am comparing the two teams

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im saying they already got a team

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Yeah? We know that.

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We’ve only seen cjay really excel at Juno

Rupal@can play Ana Juno kiri bap all@pretty well

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ye

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And Vega can play the other flex in zen and illari

And also play main support

Besides lucio

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Kiriko, Juno, and maybe bap. Rupal didn’t look amazing on any of his heroes tbh. He wasn’t bad but he wasn’t standing out imo either

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Bliss was known for playing Ana and kiriko back then too

He’s not a Lucio Brig one trick

Either way

I think it can go either way

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I need to see kellan off ping first

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He was on JQ off ping and he played very well

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Pre hero bans tho

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Also his winton is not bad at all

He was on ping

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He was terrible all around in na stages

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I’ve seen him play ram sigma and dva

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He was on ping

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Yes

Which is why

I said

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I believe

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I need to see kellan off ping

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I think they’re kinda similar in level but ofc we’ll have to see them play

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https://x.com/skiesti_/status/1881902089384906992?s=46

Skiesti 🌻 (@skiesti_) on X

Hey @PlayOverwatch enjoyers, some weird file just appeared on my PC but looks like it's corrupted until tomorrow...

Anyone wanna take any guesses as to what's being said in the meantime? 👀

X · Jan 22, 2025, 3:09 AM

New hero?

Mind be a hint

Might*

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More mid

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https://youtu.be/AahV8KYcRY8?si=vTjoJM8XDbMICgdQ not too shabby for a 67 year old touching a mouse for the first time in decades

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Lol

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PROUD

IS ACTUALLY INSANE

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yall what do yall see

i see Cr zeta meta

or hanbin ram

[weak frost]

tbf wasn't he a valorant pro while he was away from ow?

(I've played the game like once)

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hazard down arrow like he got nerfed

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He was ass pre owcs too

It's not like Kellan had any expectations to be good he came in and did exactly what ppl expected

Bro can play queen and that's about it

Maybe he's gotten better now but we've yet to see

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20% increase on a cooldown

sure its 1 second

but thats still a difference

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Yeah

this change will shift the meta

for sure

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155715655279054920/1223735684762833047/overforme.gif

knife is already being mean to infekted LOK

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Team synergy is already there

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knife has been playing minecraft with them for weeks

and ppl still rumored knife to go to vp

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What a goat

Team liquid best team

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Knife is definitely one of the kruzz (korean bruzz)

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Think he was kinda hyped up when he entered owl but nyxl fked him over with being a solo tank

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Oh yeah back then he definitely had some hype behind his name

But it's not like he was the second coming of Smurf when he joined the shock

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Mag was supposed to be that lol

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Lowkey he might be

Let him cook

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He has huge potential still imo

[hybrid hollow]

the mag comeback is real

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Finally has good coach

But he’s on a mix kr roster

Eu*

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I have hope

He's gonna be the junbin of EU this season

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I’m more excited to see topdragon

He was very hype up but always found on the most unusual rosters

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Ye

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Lowk a few kr players are coming back

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Team liquid interview

From what Casores said I can see why kr is above everyone else

Those guys pay a lot and just have better everything 😭

Lenny could’ve been signed to liquid but decided to play with friends

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still no light on someone's situation apart from the rumors

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Might be firming their own team from the sounds the Orginal rumor was SKT then falcon to liquid now who knows

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Maybe just taking a break?

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Unsure

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Skt feels like the underdog

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Wouldn’t be the first SKT have been even tho it’s rare

I mean they weren’t even supposed to win this year

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My goat infekted

Lowkey has potential to be the next best na tank

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next best na tank?

brother hes all we got rn

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He can better than super🙏

Trust

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He is the best NA

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Next best

Oat

He can play almost every tank from what we’ve seen (not queen)

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This guy took Toronto and Someone to the distance on Monkev

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And apparently his hazard is already super good

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Hazard is a dive hero wouldn’t be shocked

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He’s the first na tank to play Winston

Correctly

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lets not get ahead of ourselves here...

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First NA tank only player

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He needs a ring

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Not counting the flex players that went to tank

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If infekted can somehow get a ring

Unfortunately cr is gatekeeping

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How about a regional ring

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Those are good

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Ye

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But a owcs worlds would mean more

And his region has 1 other team for comp

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Because unfortunately in worlds China and Korea will win most of them

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I think TL can match OA

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Idk they are the Spark they beat up Falcons

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But falcons and cr have still proven there’s a large gap between them 2 and anyone else

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They lost to td aswell tho

Which is why I think liquid has a chance

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Tru but tbf that was their first time back since the World Cup

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True

I wanna see someone beat a kr team

It won’t happen

But it can

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Ye

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Liquid has NA proper knife and a super flexible tank

And Rupal who’s a owl@champ

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Eu probably the best chance

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Vega is Vega

Eu is stacked

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Ye

In most esports the only region to beast the East is Europe

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Yep

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Na only really has one or two teams

As usual

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Ye

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Eu has some loaded teams tho

Like 5 teams can compete for lan

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Tru

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Probably

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https://x.com/gt_1895_/status/1882134003928781302?s=46

GT (@GT_1895_) on X

@sejm__ The story is that he was surposed to play for T1 with MER1T but they pulled out last minute cos falcons wanted them so T1 rule booked them and now they can’t play stage 1

X · Jan 22, 2025, 6:31 PM

Oh

That crazy

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So

T1 wanted them and falcons

Neither got them

So now they can’t play

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I think t1 was about to sign them and falcons came in last second

I don’t know what rule there talking about tho

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More news about na tho

Casores said tr33 is a top 2 na player

🔥🔥🔥

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There like no competition
for tree there

Besides sugerfree

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Lenny is 1st lol

Tr33 has good potential tho

He’s hyper flex

Literally NA proper

Also looks like knife is coming to na

All of liquid got a team house

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I’m more excited for eu

Looks interesting af

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Everyone is

Eu is loaded

Na is back to the bottom

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Forgot to mention hawk might not be on ssg

https://x.com/thee_hawk/status/1881467549319360955?s=46

Hawk (@Thee_Hawk) on X

Not under contract or team obligations. Just there for emergencies as unforeseen things can happen on high ping for regular season. Fully focused on school as my semester started 🤓

X · Jan 20, 2025, 10:23 PM

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Both knife and tr33 are

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thats how Vega wasnt in Owl because both Houston and another team wanted him

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Do you know what rule it is?

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it was just a bidding war so owl just rulebooked him from being able to be signed

[static pond]

So teams can’t bid for players?

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i think it was just back and forth

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What does rule booked them mean?

[languid yoke]

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this partner shit is both incredible and shit for the scene

like so many amazing players that would be on teams are sitting on the outside looking in

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Merit and someone got bid on idk what happened with them

Eu signed Korean hs so spaekr didn’t get picked up

I also think the skill floor to compete for a good spot is going higher

And players are constantly getting better

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And why is that partner program’s fault?

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ok now that i think about it

merit and someone weren’t impacted directly by partner teams

Mostly this hurts the hell out of na

third org dropping out was so ass

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There was no more players to@make a competing team

Uv zeruhh clear is a good roster but the 2 partnered teams legit took the best of the best of na

That 3rd place team was the partnered team

Or was gonna be

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Couldn’t c9 have been holding potential players that could’ve found other options before they dropped out after realizing that

Basically players not signing anywhere else cus big na org signage soon!

idk

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I Think ssg and liquid were just paying more

[torn portal]

never fucking with c9 again that’s all

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So they got the first picks

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if ntmr don’t get partner next year imma be livid

did u see those concept designs

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1155715655279054920/1223735684762833047/overforme.gif

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what even happened with c9

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Depends on contracts and how long they’re partnered for

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just wait like 12 months and some player will leak the full story on uncoachable

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if it’s for longer than a season na is cooked

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do we just not know why they dropped out last minute

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Na has been cooked

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I don’t think so

They just backed out

I’m assuming that Ssg and liquid already had their rosters and paid more and c9 didn’t like what was left

So they just backed out

Kinda messed up

Na doesn’t have the funding like that compared to other regions tho

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i mean what roster could c9 even put together

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Eu has Saudi money

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Clear zeruhh uv rak

?

Basically current ntmr

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liquid is a kr competitor if cas works his magic

and by competitor i mean same place toronto was in

[torn portal]

pge 👀 (more likely a kr import if c9 were quick about it)

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Depending on how zeta and t1
Perform they usually are around thr strength as a 3rd place kr team

And usually tied for 1st best eu team

[torn portal]

Ye

Lenny already gapped peli when he was on m80 he don’t make a difference

it’s the same zeta vs an arguably better (we’ll see) na roster

[static turret]

Violet the Ajax king vs Vega the worst na lucio

This is my bias talking but finn > Rupal

I only say that bc zeta is constantly playing comp

Rupal is stuck playing scrubs

W new name?

[glass sleet]

That’s still not cuz of the partner program. That’s just the org itself ruining it for others. The program is still very positive

[glass sleet]

NTMR’s roster could’ve easily been third org

I mean C9 could’ve gone for that roster but they just decided to waste time doing nothing

I mean c9 wants a budget roster and they could’ve still gone for that obviously so why did they choose not to?

[static turret]

They wanted a good roster but wanted to pay less prob

Idk tho

But for a budget roster the current Ntmr roster isn’t bad at all

[glass sleet]

I wouldn’t even call it a budget roster

[robust patio]

yes

this was the secret

@torn portal idk who exposed it

[mortal cipher]

Everyone was expecting Mer1t somone T1 which is probably why the rumor of T1 being the best started

[hybrid hollow]

Wait so someone and merit got hit with the vega rulebook bc falcons were thinking about signing them?

That's fucked ngl

[robust patio]

thats why im rooting for t1 and cr ;)

[robust patio]

yup

[mortal cipher]

I was rooting for T1 because ex Shanghai and it’s not the bandwagon

[mortal cipher]

Seems so

Falcons didn’t want to be beaten so they caused a rulebook to happen

[mortal cipher]

It rlly is

[glass sleet]

I didn’t know rad beat ntmr

I’m shocked

[humble token]

I thougth falcons picked up merit and someonr

[static turret]

Falcons would only be able to pick up one anyways

Unless they drop Majed

[static turret]

Isn’t that roster the ones who mainly dominate cah? They are a pretty good team

[modern dragon]

It’s been rumored

Unless smth happened that I’m unaware of with it

[mortal cipher]

It was originally T1 then it was rumored someone was going to falcons then welp

[humble token]

Ye cuz atp released vid and only change was smurf retiring

[mortal cipher]

They announced their roster and as it currently stands Hanbin is the only rank

Tank*

[wet bay]

That was just a dumb rumour like the Shu/Fielder swapping rumour

People just want twitter likes

I'm pretty sure they were interested in 3rd na partner but that fell through

[humble token]

Oh so all that was bs

What is gonna happen to someone merit

[wet bay]

Afaik

[wet bay]

I assume they'll just get picked up by some team later on

[humble token]

Prob

[wet bay]

I think mer1t said he isn't playing stage 1 now or something

[humble token]

Tm should have picked up someone

Lowkey

[wise orbit]

there is one guy on tm who hasn't been announced yet supposedly

anyways asia tomorrow are you guys excited

[mortal cipher]

or GenG

[hybrid hollow]

Picked up next stage

[hybrid hollow]

The official roster is the normal guys without Smurf

Someone and merit not on t1 bc falcons cucked them pretty much

[viscid hatch]

T1 roster is cooking rn

New main support and I’m on board

[hybrid hollow]

Wait so who plays the brig for t1 if we go back to Juno brig

Would skewed stay on Juno (he shouldn't)

Let my goat play brig 💔💔

[humble token]

?

[hybrid hollow]

@humble token

[humble token]

Lol

[wise orbit]

why hasn't gen.g announced yet bruh

[wise orbit]

lol

[hybrid hollow]

Gg c9 moment

[static turret]

Gate keeping the roster

[glass sleet]

Isn’t it obvious who’s in GenG tho? The only good players that aren’t on teams already

[glass sleet]

It’s Cuffa, Clear, lethal, vision, Ultraviolet, and admiral

I don’t think they played in CAH

And they lost to RAD open qualifiers

[static turret]

I meant rad

[glass sleet]

Oh idk I don’t watch CAH.

It’s PAINKILLER, Peace, kronic, Lep, and zzz

Zzz was on ntmr last season

[static turret]

Yea a few of them are cah players

The battle for 3rd place gonna go crazy 🔥🔥

[glass sleet]

I think ntmr just need more time together. They definitely have the better players

Imo

[torn portal]

zzz and peace are great

zzz even made ewc with ntmr

[robust patio]

nah

[viscid hatch]

Did someone ( not player) say they were going to T1

I hope merit doesn’t replace proud

[mortal cipher]

https://x.com/GenG/status/1882624367709802855

Gen.G Esports (@GenG) on X

TigerNation, we are sooo back.
Introducing our 2025 Overwatch roster!

⚕️ Support - @Khenail
⚕️ Support - @crispyow
🛡️ Tank - @mag_ow
⚔️ DPS - @Topdragon_ow
🎯 Hitscan - @saunamestari
🧠 Head Coach - @crusty_ow
📝 Assistant Coach - @Natdoekje

X · Jan 24, 2025, 3:00 AM

[glass sleet]

Imo that’s dumb. That’s a downgrade

[glass sleet]

Omg I’m so shocked

[viscid hatch]

Yeah proud > merit

Prouds tracer looks good as well

[glass sleet]

Yeah more flexible than merit

[agile kestrel]

Did crusty rlly leave falcons for that

Unfortunate

But 4hrs till owcs kr yaaaay

[robust patio]

his soj and widow is insane too

[torn portal]

sauna heads = UP!

also crusty is op

[robust patio]

could geng be the best emea team?

idk

maybe no

will there be a day i see Gen G vs T1 in overwatch 🤣🤣🤣😭 @mortal cipher

[mortal cipher]

imagine

[glass sleet]

What do you think of the roster

[mortal cipher]

honestly they are prob top

[mortal cipher]

i say at least a top 3 Eu team

[mortal cipher]

ye

[static turret]

Idk

Eu is stacked

[mortal cipher]

tru

[static turret]

On paper there’s like 5 teams

[mortal cipher]

which is why i said top 3 but anything could happen

[static turret]

One of those said 5 teams is gonna flop bad

[mortal cipher]

prob

[static turret]

TU,gen.g,VP,TM all have a good chance

Who else?

[torn portal]

This the year kevster loses it all im telling u

i can feel it

[static turret]

He’s on tu right

[torn portal]

yes

[static turret]

TU feels like they just threw money at players

[torn portal]

mostly good played

[mortal cipher]

Technically losing to NRG was Kevin not gaming

[torn portal]

rs

[static turret]

Feels like no synergy

But idk

[torn portal]

chase kev kai skai have all been on a team for ages wdym

ksaa is a solid piece that could fit in

[static turret]

Chase and skai prob won’t be on the main roster tho

[torn portal]

and the backline solid

[static turret]

Ksaa faith twilight

[torn portal]

no

[static turret]

Don’t fit in

[torn portal]

pe

[static turret]

Idk

[glass sleet]

It seems all the strong teams are at least top 3 lol

[static turret]

It just feels like they payed a load of money and said join

And hope they win something

[torn portal]

christfer at the helm should be good

[static turret]

But that’s your average eu team

Well

Your average Saudi team

[torn portal]

now that he has more theory to express beyond brawl brawl and rush

[static turret]

True

Who’s watching kr ow

When it comes

In 3hrs

[torn portal]

casores coaching documents vs christfer coaching documents

[static turret]

Casores has been given the most flexible na roster

Bro is cooking

[torn portal]

maybe

ever

like

[static turret]

Every single player on that team has a hero pool that is large

[mortal cipher]

usually is

[static turret]

Infekted can play any main tank and a good bit of off tanks (not queen)

Tr33 and knife are mini falcons dps

Rupal is your op flex support and Vega is a ms who can play flex

[torn portal]

Potentially the great next-up hyperflex tank, two incredible hyperflex dps that just haven’t reached their full potential, a top 5 flex support who has a ring, and vega

[mortal cipher]

funny enough hes not even na

[static turret]

And Vega is crazy

[torn portal]

infekted has a great sigma

dva is

passable

[static turret]

Do NOT let him on when

Queen

At any cost

[torn portal]

if his winston is s tier his dva is a minus

[glass sleet]

Lol

[static turret]

Casores isn’t na?

[torn portal]

he’s dutch lol

[static turret]

Gg

[glass sleet]

Liquid is the most flexible roster cuz they’re all play everything

[static turret]

Knew he was too good to be a na coach

[glass sleet]

And then you have Vega

[static turret]

The Vega hate is amazing

I get it

[glass sleet]

He’s not Canadian?

[static turret]

He’s not as bad as people say he is but he’s still by far the weak link on that team

[glass sleet]

I’m hoping ssg is the better team in NA

[static turret]

They have Lenny

He aura farms

Kellan is still a ?

[glass sleet]

Both teams have players I like but ssg has more players I like

[static turret]

We don’t know how good he is off ping on a hero that’s not Queen

[glass sleet]

A?

[static turret]

Kellan is a toss up

[cosmic socket]

lets be real liquid is gonna be better than ssg

[glass sleet]

He’s good enough.

[glass sleet]

I refuse to believe that

[cosmic socket]

best nonkorean backline

with na proper

[glass sleet]

I think they’re even

[cosmic socket]

ggs

[torn portal]

looking at his liquidpedia he actually worked with most team netherlands as well

[glass sleet]

And imo ssg has the better backbone with na heesang

[static turret]

Lenny is aura

[torn portal]

casores is a proven coach capable of pushing ppl to their potential

i think everyone on liquid will smash any of our expectations

[static turret]

Casores played with Lenny for a year he’s cooking

[glass sleet]

I think to have a hyper flex dps duo, they need to be at the level of stalker and proper to have it work

[torn portal]

i’m super confident

with them

[static turret]

Infekted is gonna be even better

[glass sleet]

I was cheering for NTMR when it was TD VS NTMR and now I’ll be cheering for SSG v LIQUID

[static turret]

I think he will be the best na tank by far

[glass sleet]

He is

[cosmic socket]

he already is

[glass sleet]

No NA tank comes close

Also

[static turret]

Even further

[glass sleet]

There is no other NA tank

[static turret]

I’m counting kellan he’s in na

Not actually from na

[glass sleet]

Oh

[cosmic socket]

okay well its kellan

[glass sleet]

Kellan beat TD

Did infekted do that?

[static turret]

Kellan didn’t beat td

Attack did

[glass sleet]

No KELLAN DID

[torn portal]

he did if seeker didn’t hide in a bush 🤫

[glass sleet]

who went crazy on flashpoint?

[glass sleet]

Lol

[static turret]

Attack was working td in dva meta

[glass sleet]

He got fuller held bro

[static turret]

And they were never to be seen after that

[torn portal]

attack should’ve gotten a team btw wtf

[static turret]

Nah

He’s lowkey a dva otp

[torn portal]

💔

[glass sleet]

He’s an off tank player

[torn portal]

He probably got a good sigma…..?

[glass sleet]

Idk

I can’t remember him playing sigma

[torn portal]

go next

[glass sleet]

But who doesn’t have a good sigma

[static turret]

Coluge

Sigma guy couldn’t play sigma

[glass sleet]

Sigma is like the highest average tank

Imma be honest

TM looks weaker and weaker with every new roster is announced

[static turret]

Quartz carry

Don’t worry

[glass sleet]

Another year of him hard carrying. Dude is gonna get burnt out so quickly

Their dps line is like the only upgrade imo

[cosmic socket]

what dirt could youbi possibly have on tm management for them to keep him

[glass sleet]

Ikr

[glass sleet]

It makes sense if they’re gonna have Hadi join them. Experience in TP plays and stuff like that. Having hadi on the team means that youbi doesn’t have to play cuz he’s the igl. Hadi could do the comms instead.

I wanna say they need a Korean tank but I’ll just wait and see how it goes

Maybe their communication gonna be so goated they are unstoppable

[static turret]

He’s been doing that for the past year he’s there for the money

[glass sleet]

You think he would leave if another org paid more?

[static turret]

If Saudi maybe

But I know tm is dumping money at him

[glass sleet]

I doubt it

He’s too comfortable at TM

and I think or at least I believe he should be the highest paid player for all the fucking carry he has to do

If tm didn’t raise my salary for 2025 I would’ve left lol

[robust patio]

i see no hope for emea tho

[mortal cipher]

hes Dutch

[glass sleet]

Canadian

[stoic juniper]

So true

[humble token]

No they look quite strong rn

[languid yoke]

hi

[weak frost]

I mean EMEA will dumpster NA this year

imo

[static pond]

Is there gonna be an English stream?

[wet bay]

I mean it's them and TU clearly top 2 imo. Virtus is pretty mid, Landon team could sneak to top 2 for sure or GenG though.

Actually Virtus could cook too idk

They all have a shot in the right meta or on their day

[static pond]

https://x.com/owcesports/status/1882697671733113018?s=46

Cavalry Esports (@OWCEsports) on X

Team Falcons welcome Head Coach @NineK_OW and Assistant Coaches @SP9RK1E_OW & @Aid_OW 🏆

X · Jan 24, 2025, 7:51 AM

[glass sleet]

Idk we’ll have to see how it goes

Ofc

[sullen berry]

how many people didn't know it's live rn

I just knew matches were today but not which matches were happening - first hero bans in Korea is live

[blazing fog]

Does anyone know when the next stream is please?

[blazing fog]

On twitch?

[sullen berry]

try id:customize > esports announcements#esports-news

[sullen berry]

always been on twitch

you can get drops right now

[blazing fog]

It's Overwatch_JP

Thank you @sullen berry

[sullen berry]

yeah they're not broadcasting on main until playoffs

including Korea it turns out

[blazing fog]

I mean is there a schedule with time and date?

[blazing fog]

Got it

[sullen berry]

i guess the schedule is in Korean and updated regularly on Liquipedia now

and Pacific region broadcasts will be costreamed in Thai + CommanderX/Unter and AVRL

[blazing fog]

Got it, thank you!

[sullen berry]

it's not much, but it matters australia is back this year and zero official broadcasts in english for them

[blazing fog]

The more the better, long live Overwatch

[static pond]

Same I didt know what we’re matches also owcs kinda dropping the ball

[sullen berry]

just asia being given a budget for one region

but has to host 3-4 tournaments with it

in the same amount of time

wheras EMEA and NA are only two separate regions

and not broadcasted over 7 days

[static pond]

What even happened to Samsung

What even is zowie

[sullen berry]

sponsorship contracts would have expired at the end of the season

[sullen berry]

you've never heard of zowie?

!jumbo

[static pond]

Seen it like like once

I never seen them in a kr lan tho

[glass sleet]

Falcons banned Ana I see

[glass sleet]

That has something to do with WDG wanting all of Asia and FACEIT deals with the western regions

[glass sleet]

Lies

There are no drops currently

Second series is CR vs ZETA

[sullen berry]

I really thought it might be T1 next

because I need to get an earlier nights sleep, can't stay up at 2am anymore

alas reworked ZETA will be exciting to watch

even if Viol2t isn't going to be ajaxing everywhere and sweating more in the regular season

orbital ray + echo dragonblade was peak dodo

[sullen berry]

going from this to tracer hazard ban, falcons could not give a damn about a third hero ban anymore

[robust patio]

na is weak lel , no someone merit

[robust patio]

sparkle in falcons

new era is getting farmed

[sullen berry]

feels like the rent money was due, time to actually sign on a team as a player

https://www.twitch.tv/ow_esports_jp/clip/ShortAbstruseShieldNerfBlueBlaster-MdT8FEX1DLYhV0nM

[robust patio]

🤣

[sullen berry]

couldn't ask for a better subsitute for happy, since stalk3r is having a bad day in comp by the looks of it

taking it out on New Era

[robust patio]

stalker is insane

lel

[weak frost]

yea NA has like one decent team atm but they'd be like 3-4th seed EU I think

it's bleak for NA heads

atleast well be eating good watching emea stages

[robust patio]

i wanna see these match while in navy

cr vs fal
cr vs t1
t1 vs geng

[weak frost]

curious to see how gen.g does but I really don't get why they didn't pick up an actual hitscan player

sauna is decent but he's nowhere near quartz level

[tacit willow]

has the gen g roster been announced?

[robust patio]

yes

[weak frost]

ye

[robust patio]

mag on tank

crusty coach

[weak frost]

mag tobdragon sauna khenail and uhh

forgor

[robust patio]

wait is klombus banned

what happened to my bro

[weak frost]

yes💔

1984

[robust patio]

huh

[weak frost]

got banned for a message he sent a month prior iirc

😭

[robust patio]

breh

[sullen berry]

skill issue

[weak frost]

sad for no more pge tho forgor to take a picture with him in stockholm💔

[robust patio]

i should be discussing with klombus while watching owcs korea

thats what i did last year with him lel

[weak frost]

any interesting matches today? might watch it back after work

[robust patio]

falc is washed????

[tacit willow]

cr vs zeta next is going to be intresting

[sullen berry]

I've probably had enough mutes caused by owcs posting bitly links that I'd be borderline bannable

[robust patio]

how u gonna lose a genji duo proper

[weak frost]

oh yea I'll watch that

is hazard still meta

[tacit willow]

yeah hard meta still

[weak frost]

zzz fuck that hero

[sullen berry]

banning hazard instanly means the better mauga main wins

[robust patio]

cr would win

[sullen berry]

because that orisa

oh that was sad

[tacit willow]

hanbin is crazy in this meta falcons are deffo number 2

[weak frost]

I don't get why it takes them so long to nerf new heroes

[robust patio]

this match is boring

[weak frost]

it's like they don't understand what makes heroes strong

[sullen berry]

lifeweaver.

[robust patio]

so onesided

[sullen berry]

they can release bad heroes if they wanted to

[weak frost]

yea but we had back to back mauga juno hazard

all of them meta for 10 years

[sullen berry]

but it takes a lot more effort to make a hero that feels good to play, but now has the challenge of nerfing enough not to be OP

but the thing is, I don't think anyone has a problem with this midseason patch

[tacit willow]

as long as mauga isnt' meta i'm happy it's so boring to watch mauga juno

[weak frost]

just nerf them into the ground in midseason if needed to get some variety

and then buff them later

I don't see how that's not a better way

[sullen berry]

idk sounds like a you problem seeing new heroes getting play - illari has been nerfed enough it only gets played exclusively by sirmajed

[tacit willow]

if they nerf hazard mauga is goign to be meta... they have to kill juno their the problem

[sullen berry]

i like dodo and arche

[weak frost]

yea but illari was like 5 heroes ago

[sullen berry]

but together they're just not able to play up to the world's best, shouldn't be surprised

[tacit willow]

they only sub sirmajed in cause they feel bad

[weak frost]

I'm saying new heroes shouldn't be meta for two entire seasons straight

nerf them in midseason once people get used to them

to rotate the meta a bit

[sullen berry]

and ana? She's 22 heroes back and still getting played since the launch of ow2

[weak frost]

and then build them back up to be in line

[sullen berry]

(ana most played by the greater ow community)

[static pond]

This is true

[static pond]

In Ana defense she takes a lot of skill

[weak frost]

what's your point tho idgi xd

I'm just saying when a new hero drops it's fine for them to be meta cause people need to learn them anyway

[tacit willow]

ana juno kiri lucio brig will forever be meta all the other supports character designs make them shit in pro play

[static pond]

Who winning?

[weak frost]

but don't make every new hero a must pick for months

[tacit willow]

wati new era lowkey coming back...

[weak frost]

it's too long

[static pond]

I don’t think I’m watch the matches

[robust patio]

cr

[robust patio]

rn falcon vs newera

[static pond]

Lack of English stream kills my vibe a bit

[robust patio]

falcon winning obv

[sullen berry]

this is how heroes are often forgotten and discarded, the blizzard of 3 years ago wouldn't do drastic nerfs/buffs like what we've had in the past that have been generally well received

[static pond]

Is it close?

[sullen berry]

I've not heard any juno mains upset but ofc it's still a nerf

[tacit willow]

dodo is annoying me i got money on falcons to 3-0...

it's so over

[sullen berry]

dodo mcd is a killer duo

[tacit willow]

omfg what happened to falcons

[sullen berry]

falcons wake up

[weak frost]

which is also fine because not every hero has to be competitively viable (I'd argue some shouldn't)

but that's on them

[sullen berry]

@weak frost

[weak frost]

they could also just buff them back after the nerfs

just make sure no hero is a must pick for months at a time because it gets boring as fuck

[sullen berry]

i don't think they ever imagined the hero bans they tried in 2020 would lead to soldier and torb being used in pro play

[weak frost]

hope we never see anything like s1-3 sojourn again though

I think they learned from that

[tacit willow]

they can't make every hero competitive for example mercy and life weaver for them to be meta their numbers would have to be giga buffed, killing the game

[sullen berry]

exactly, it won't and that's fine!

[weak frost]

low skill heroes shouldn't be competitively viable

or better over high skill heroes

[sullen berry]

woah alright then MCD

[tacit willow]

i jus tlost $8 unless falcons get a giga combeack

falcons are about to drop a map...

[sullen berry]

what was that kitsune

oh their supports cannot be throwing that defense

[tacit willow]

SOLO BEAT

SOLO BEAT OMFG

[sullen berry]

chiyo ego beat

slapping dodo's behind with that kill

this is extremely funny watching falcons on the backfoot

I just wasn't expecting this from them on king's row

[tacit willow]

holy shit

[sullen berry]

like ZERO expectations but new era got you good @tacit willow

https://tenor.com/view/this-era-is-different-mrunal-thakur-pinkvilla-we've-entered-a-new-era-gif-62185360822903868

[tacit willow]

That was crazy... dodo and mcd popped a pill or something

[sullen berry]

you just spent money to watch Falcons lose a map to a mid/nobody knows team

i swear dodo did nothing first map

now mcd and dodo starting to come together as a pretty good ana genji duo

[tacit willow]

the fact they won without juno is shocking...

[sullen berry]

hanbin was locked in when they banned haz

[tacit willow]

surely poker face lose against way right

[sullen berry]

way has whoru right

[tacit willow]

yeah

pf has donghun but i think way actaully beat ftg which everyone thought would be #5

[sullen berry]

a poker face resurgence without proud should be interesting

the worst players on that team have been pruned out at least

yo crazy would it be to sub out MCD

NA not sure who to ban on push? These two seem pretty obvious picks if you ask me

what kind of heroes were getting banned in NA again

[tacit willow]

these bans are wild

[tacit willow]

i don't keep up with na too uncompetitive

[sullen berry]

Falcons could not care every 2 rounds or so

[sullen berry]

same but I really want to know how the partnered teams fare in NA

my bet is on TL easily

making it out with NMTR would be nice

[tacit willow]

ssg and liquid are just going to win everything in na

[sullen berry]

seeing as NRG has called it quits, I presume SSG and Timeless take 1st and 3rd

[sullen berry]

definitely said that about Defiant and they still folded end of season due to the limited partner pool