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robust patio
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i can attend that lel

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but its gone i think

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idk

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gotta get out of this navy military

worn falcon
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Any yappers?

vapid marlin
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hey does anyone know where to like get coaches to train for the overwatch esports?

mint meadow
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when do i get into top 500? do you have to get a certain number of wins , because im masters and masters is top500 but im not listed

viscid hatch
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Yeah you do need a certain amount of wins, not sure how many though

atomic rover
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Is there any information on when the ow_esport stream will be?

glass sleet
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Toronto defiant left for 2025 cuz overwatch esports doesn’t have enough sponsors

fierce nest
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25 wins this season

robust patio
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people be easy these days

queen thistle
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ntmr decimated exo

torn portal
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but i new eclipse could never lose they’re too big to fail atp

sullen berry
mortal cipher
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lol

robust patio
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hehe

wise orbit
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rumored rosters

uncut spade
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someone is so confusing as a name

wise orbit
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why would falcons get shu when they already have the goat fs sirmajed

pastel dagger
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what team is stalk3r going to be on?

rugged quest
hybrid hollow
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Wait nvm

hybrid hollow
wise orbit
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idk these are all rumors

hybrid hollow
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I love how cr pretty much didn't change at all

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Shu for fielder is damn near 0 difference

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Do you want the best flex support in Korea or the best flex support in Korea

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He's free from the binds of chiyo and his girlfriend

wooden mural
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I like how people from asia can completely dominate

rugged quest
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shu falcons rumour apparently a fluke

wise orbit
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oh thank god if this is true

glass sleet
glass sleet
mortal cipher
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i figured the shu falcons was bull which means half of those rumored could be falso anyway

mortal cipher
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also translation to post

" Comprehensive Korean Remaining Team Rumors "

glass sleet
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Im just waiting for teams to actually announce their rosters. I’m tired of all these rumors.

static pond
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Shu is still on cr as of the 9th

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He was in cr cup

static pond
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But shu has a higher skill celling

static pond
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lol just happy Donghak is still in the scene

static turret
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Wait

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I saw T1 got donghak nvm

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Idk why then lol

wise orbit
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is it possible that t1 didn’t get partner maybe

last kelp
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highly doubt

worn falcon
bitter marlin
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one might say that he retired to soon

worn falcon
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Overwatch is the retirement game now

mortal cipher
bitter marlin
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retirement home is full homy, now get back on stage old man

stuck tundra
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Hey uh does junkerqueen counter zarya?

worn falcon
wise orbit
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Having to play with french people 💔 sending prayers

mortal cipher
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oof

static turret
wise orbit
mortal cipher
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ooh

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roster time

viscid hatch
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The only reason that shu would go to falcons is probably because the money he was offered, I feel like if falcons were breaking up cr just win be default and there is no reason for shu to leave

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How rich are crazy racoons?

viscid hatch
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Also according to the owcs Korea channels, the Korea open is happening right now, and if shu is still contracted to crazy racoons for their things, then he wouldn’t be on falcons right?

hybrid hollow
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No way in hell I'm seeing soon and xzodyal share a roster

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Wtf is happening

torn portal
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anyway

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Falcon and Raccoon seem a bit more balanced, but leaning towards CR

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T1 vs Zeta would be a big rivalry, but i’d be rooting for T1 personally

wise orbit
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having a dedicated hitscan player is good but they lose the flexibility of having double flex

wise orbit
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stalker to t1 would be cool but they seem packed already

torn portal
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Only thing is

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wait

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who you got winning, mer1t tracer proper echo VS lip tracer heesang echo

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💀

wise orbit
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lol

torn portal
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mer1t famous for his tracer skills

wise orbit
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yeah thats gg

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idk why they dropped knife

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did he underperform

torn portal
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i actually really want t1 to cook, super glad they’ll be team skins too

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hope these rosters are mostly accurate :D

wise orbit
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I would hate to see shu on falcons but it's apparently a fake rumour

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cr geniunely have like my favorite players in every role rn

torn portal
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i love shu and fielder equally

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like my bap goat or my ana goat that’s unfair to choose

wise orbit
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ana is an actual good hero so xD

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but both are great yea

hybrid hollow
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What about chiyo tho

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His carry is gone

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Well maybe gone

torn portal
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more like chiyo lost his carry….

hybrid hollow
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Thats like exactly what I said

torn portal
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he was the best support at stolkholm

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nasty fuckin brig

glass sleet
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Thought T1 would get a stronger roster coming into OW

hybrid hollow
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I mean who could they get

glass sleet
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Someone merit, stalker, Fiedler, and some MS

hybrid hollow
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I think I said this when they announced they're coming to ow they could never be a top 3 team unless one of the orgs implodes

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the best hope was falcons but they just threw more money at merit and someone ig

wise orbit
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they could get stalker maybe

hybrid hollow
wise orbit
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if falcons roster is true

hybrid hollow
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Yeah there's a chance he's still there

wise orbit
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I'm excited to see mer1t proper tho

torn portal
glass sleet
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Merit someone checkmate is a good trio

torn portal
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donghak skewed opener proud viper stalk3r along with uhhhh

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attack?

hybrid hollow
torn portal
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idfk

wise orbit
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@glass sleet hahah weren't u hating on mer1t before

torn portal
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They running low on tier 1 tanks

hybrid hollow
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Genuinely a chance we won't see stalker anywhere

torn portal
hybrid hollow
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He never was

wise orbit
glass sleet
glass sleet
torn portal
hybrid hollow
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Hes a solid player but like he's never been a top 5 flex dps

wise orbit
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also when are they going to stop giving majed free money xD

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bro get ur ass to eu

hybrid hollow
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Top 10 maybe just bc his flexibility

torn portal
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he needs income to do this

wise orbit
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not all heroes wear capes

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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He’s gonna have the KSAA treatment

wise orbit
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is esports a poverty career among top korea teams too?

glass sleet
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But since he won’t play in Korea, that means he doesn’t have to wait for upcoming stage to play in western regions

torn portal
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stalk3r is genuinely in my opinion the best fdps alive right now

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maximum glaze

glass sleet
torn portal
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he’s the most valuable right now

glass sleet
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Definitely is

wise orbit
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proper maybe

torn portal
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just widow gapping quartz puts him ahead of proper in my mind

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on top of cooking all season

glass sleet
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Stalker is better on hitscan than proper

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Stalker is truly the most flexible dps

hybrid hollow
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This might be crazy but after season one it's not insane to say stalker is more flexible than proper

wise orbit
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i've watched too little korean overwatch to comment on this actually

glass sleet
wise orbit
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but proper had an insane genji

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this season

glass sleet
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Y’all don’t know but his genji in Dallas was nasty

torn portal
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Best ashe this season

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definitely

hybrid hollow
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Genji is the one hero I think proper is outright better on

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But stalker still has a good genji

glass sleet
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Great*

hybrid hollow
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Stalker is the better tracer echo without a doubt

wise orbit
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you can argue quartz is the best eu player rn

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or emea ig

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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Better widow, Ashe, tracer, echo, Cassidy.

hybrid hollow
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He just is

wise orbit
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either him or kev

hybrid hollow
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0 comp for him

glass sleet
wise orbit
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idk

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kevster had a crazy performance most of the year and we only really saw quartz at the start and end

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i'll wait til next season until i make my opinion

glass sleet
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Isn’t OWCS starting on the 31st? When are teams gonna announce their rosters jeez

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Only TM confirmed theirs

hybrid hollow
wise orbit
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true

glass sleet
wise orbit
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though ksaa played with them when they qualified for dallas no?

torn portal
glass sleet
torn portal
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We gotta see what roster he gets on

wise orbit
hybrid hollow
torn portal
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don’t be like that

glass sleet
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I’m hoping if it’s not a hard sym meta that seicoe plays the whole time

hybrid hollow
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I'm a EU hater at the end of the day

wise orbit
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you could make an argument that kevster carried his team too

torn portal
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cus you know massa is at mcdonald’s

wise orbit
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though they had a better tank for most of the year

torn portal
wise orbit
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compared to tm

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Yeah vestola did just as much for ENCE as Kev did

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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and kev definitely had moments where he lowkey was the reason they lost

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Quartz is the best player in the lobby 100% of the time

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Unless it's stalker on widow

wise orbit
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wait could u give me an example

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I never saw kevster throw a game this season

hybrid hollow
wise orbit
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yea

glass sleet
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Kev stage 1

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Playing sym

hybrid hollow
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Kev on Mei ever

wise orbit
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I didn't watch most of stage 1 i'll have to rewatch that

glass sleet
wise orbit
glass sleet
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But tbh it was a team diff

wise orbit
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I thought he was ok

glass sleet
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What do you guys think of TM’s new roster?

hybrid hollow
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Isn't it like Hadi youbi quartz astro

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Idk the flex support

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Oh yeah seicoe and irony

wise orbit
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is irony good i haven't watched him play

hybrid hollow
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Way better look now

wise orbit
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i assume he is since he's korean

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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Really?

torn portal
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maybe stalk3r is in eu?

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He with ultimates or something

wise orbit
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stalk3r to gen.g

glass sleet
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Idk about irony but losing bliss is tough

torn portal
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knife went to na i heard

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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TM still has one import slot so maybe they’ll get a tank

wise orbit
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they will I think

hybrid hollow
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Ngl tho

wise orbit
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they said one guy is missing when they revealed teh roster

hybrid hollow
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I take tvnt over Hadi

glass sleet
wise orbit
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what

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is hadi that bad

hybrid hollow
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it's more about if he's better than irony

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And I don't think he is

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Yeah but if losing bliss means ur backline as a whole improve you take that every time

glass sleet
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And yeah I think TVNT isn’t worse than hadi

wise orbit
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i knew hadi is kinda washed but this is crazy

hybrid hollow
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If Lucio falls back into meta then the astro pickup is the best move of the century

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Only thing is double flex

wise orbit
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I don't think their backline will be a problem at least

glass sleet
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Also irony is kinda of a question mark cuz he hasn’t played since stage 2?

hybrid hollow
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Astro is just ass on flex heros

glass sleet
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Tbh I think the roster might be worse

wise orbit
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honestly astro irony seicoe quartz and a good kr tank will probably make them the best team in eu

hybrid hollow
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I also just don't like mcd he's let me down too many times

glass sleet
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I’m glad seicoe is there but eh idk

hybrid hollow
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also ngl bliss Lucio is like

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Kinda mid

glass sleet
wise orbit
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I think mcd will play in the second china team at lan

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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I mean it's Juno so I guess

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
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He was so good during fuel

hybrid hollow
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wasn't the fuel ass that year

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Well not ass

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Maybe it's just bc the expectations

glass sleet
wise orbit
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I feel like two guaranteed china slots at lan is weird btw

hybrid hollow
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Im definitely taking astro on the Lucio tho 100%

wise orbit
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I would much prefer they did 2 kr and 2 asia with china included in asia

hybrid hollow
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The only side is flexibility

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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If irony performs then it's 100% an upgrade

hybrid hollow
glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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Oh yeah

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Wait ur right

wise orbit
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fair point actually

hybrid hollow
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Forgot about bans entirely

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Nvm tm is cooked

wise orbit
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its not so bad

hybrid hollow
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seicoe quartz master class every game is needed

glass sleet
wise orbit
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is astro really that shit at brig

glass sleet
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And bliss isn’t mid on Lucio

hybrid hollow
wise orbit
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compared to other eu ms

glass sleet
hybrid hollow
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It's actually crazy how bad he is at that hero

glass sleet
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BRO

hybrid hollow
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Bro is a Lucio mercy two trick

wise orbit
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when does he play mercy

hybrid hollow
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Back in the day

wise orbit
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oh

glass sleet
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I’m thinking they should’ve kept bliss now

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They have the extra import

hybrid hollow
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yeah for hero bans bliss is just they was better option

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and ur not gambling on a Lucio meta

glass sleet
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Also hadi

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I’m not saying he’s a rein one trick but

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I don’t think he plays the same heroes as TVNT any better

wise orbit
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he's not a onetrick but it is the only hero he's exceptional at

glass sleet
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Also hadi can’t play dva

wise orbit
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but i feel like he holds his own on other main tanks against other eu tanks

glass sleet
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His mauga looks very sus

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It’s unfortunate KSAA will never go back to TM

wise orbit
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stockholm was fucking cursed though i swear

glass sleet
wise orbit
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yeah

glass sleet
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SSG underperformed heavily

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Getting 8th place

wise orbit
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ence too

glass sleet
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Cmon

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Sorry I believe they got 7th

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Cuz they won a map

wise orbit
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in the meta that was meant to be THE eu meta

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like damn

glass sleet
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Which makes it worse

wise orbit
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but yea i still think he's decent enough at the ram and orisa

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he's just world class at rein as well

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so it kinda outshines his other tanks

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sadly rein is pretty much never viable lul

glass sleet
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Maybe they’ll get a Korean tank

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Who knows

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Good luck to TM

static turret
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Why did tm not get better players

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They did but they didn’t

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Hadi is a glorified otp

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Seicoe is amazing

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Astro is …

hybrid hollow
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A Lucio otp in hero bans

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U gotta flex support that ur pretty much gambling on (I'm all in on irony), a Lucio otp, probably the best dps line in eu besides youbi, and a rein guy

wise orbit
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if it weren't for hero bans I would say the current roster with a good korean off tank would be kinda peak actually

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maybe astro can redeem himself on the brig

static turret
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Astro on the brig is Pge on flex dps

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You have a 10% chance of getting good play

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Irony is another Korean flex that’s hit or miss (the tm special)

brittle hearth
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pro league has hero bans now right

wise orbit
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Yes

torn portal
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all of them

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except cah

brittle hearth
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kk i see

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was just curious bcos i haven't been keeping in with pro ledge

wise orbit
brittle hearth
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leave

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ledge

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league

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kms this is so embarrassing

brittle hearth
glass sleet
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Getting Astro when hero bans are a thing is not it

static turret
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You ban Lucio what are you they gonna do

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Genuinely

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Put him on mercy?

viscid hatch
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Juno

wise orbit
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yeah juno or brig realistically

robust patio
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rupal is in korea

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he be drinking soju and dancing with my friend

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bliss was also there

torn portal
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rupal waking up and having breakfast with lip proper fielder

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while vega has do scrims daily with infekted

sullen berry
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sullen berry
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Graphic is sick

mortal cipher
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dang

torn portal
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i love it

echo rampart
hazy marsh
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ill be disappointed if they dont dominate eu

echo rampart
robust patio
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dam

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and kevster

sullen berry
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Hey man, if this is what the partner teams are pulling

sullen berry
sullen berry
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Vestola is on another team, if I'm not mistaken

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I'm barely keeping track this week, though if anyone was demanding it in #esports-news they should be reaching out to modmail

mortal cipher
robust patio
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!!ban @wise orbit

young fractalBOT
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@strong temple has been banned from the server.

robust patio
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test

vernal shoal
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yo can someone explain to me why cr and falcons are trading flex supports?

robust patio
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my theory

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they both are basically peak overwatch history teams in the game

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and see how games go by trading

wet bay
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Hadi currently scrimming Queens Gambit (CAH team playing later) if anyone interested

wet bay
glass sleet
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guys what is crowncup??

glass sleet
torn portal
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!!join

young fractalBOT
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join mads (hardstuck) joined the chat.

torn portal
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!!leave

young fractalBOT
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leave mads (hardstuck) left the chat.

mortal cipher
steady lynx
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havnt played overwatch in a while whats the esport status? is it dead or is it still continuing?

wise orbit
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its dead

steady lynx
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so it wont even be continuing?

wise orbit
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no im lying its still around

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but its owcs instead of owl now

steady lynx
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do people still care for it tho?

wise orbit
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yea

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its not like csgo or lol but it has a decent following i think

glass sleet
wise orbit
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not even kinda they were spot on

glass sleet
wise orbit
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emea partnered teams are likely gen.g, tm and tu/vp right

glass sleet
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If TU is 100% accurate than maybe the other eu teams are true

torn portal
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i’m optimistic about this season

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we are getting team skins, rosters between regions seem more balanced as they get leaked more and more

mortal cipher
mortal cipher
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TL is what we thought

wise orbit
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idk I think vp is bigger org

mortal cipher
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now we wait for SKTT1

mortal cipher
wise orbit
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but tu definitely has the more impressive roster, so maybe they are willing to spend more

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than tu

mortal cipher
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Gen.G was the obv because well its Gen.G

wise orbit
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maybe tu is big but ive never heard of them before lol

glass sleet
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That’s all I know

mortal cipher
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it is

torn portal
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pge zeruhh 😭

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pge zeruhh scissors are all looking

gritty glacier
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Insanely massive pge sneak ☠️☠️☠️

wet bay
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Damn EMEA may be stacked tbh both TM and Ultimates rosters gonna go hard

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I think Geng lowkey flop Magazine is not that guy

hazy marsh
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Praying they get another tank instead

wise orbit
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gen.g should sign sparkr

static turret
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Actually

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Nah idk

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Cjay only noticeable hero is Juno

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And she’s not meta currently

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Bliss is solid

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Just your average kr main support

sullen berry
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Everyone knows the partner teams gonna be LW Blue, LW Red, Samsung Morning Stars, Clockwork Vendetta, American Tornado, British Hurricane and the legendary aussie teams Sydney Drop Bears and i40

sullen berry
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Man would I would love is a new "world's best tracer" in OWCS this year

robust patio
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just imagine Sbb came back

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and dominated

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holding lip heesang stalker on a LEASH

viscid hatch
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Peak

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I think heesang was just as good if not better than stalker on tracer this year

deft marlin
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Just realized the more Falcons win the more SirMajed becomes the "WhoRU'' of support.

robust patio
hazy marsh
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The Batman of Riyadh

wise orbit
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org not big enough ig

wet bay
mortal cipher
hazy marsh
torn portal
last kelp
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majed is the only guy I know who forces ZEN on the best team in the world

wet bay
last kelp
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yeah?

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that's more than we've played in owcs combined!

deft marlin
last kelp
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eh

robust patio
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💀

glass sleet
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There’s like a contract for TM players to stream or something lol

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Whoever joins TM starts streaming at first

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Even MCD was streaming when he first joined

glass sleet
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But nvm

static pond
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So cr cup had like 100k views?

weary scarab
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qlm and checkmate dangerous combo

mortal cipher
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Interesting

wet bay
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Weird team

static turret
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Idk why tm dropped lbb instead of youbi shitty ass

torn portal
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cus toronto almost always did zen on kings row third

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i saw it a lot

hybrid hollow
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And why is junkbuck there 😭

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Bro left the Korean team with Saudi money for less Saudi money and a worse team

glass sleet
glass sleet
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But it’s fine. We have seicoe instead

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Wait this can’t be for eleague cuz they have more than 2 non Saudi

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Also Landon avoiding playing in NA

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Dude refuses to play in na lol

hybrid hollow
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Wait that's peak

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So na is just liquid vs ssg

last kelp
torn portal
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okay but like i still corrected you

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that’s just a new argument

static pond
wise orbit
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oh wait someone already sent

static pond
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Lmao I didt know which to reply too

wise orbit
torn portal
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third partner

hybrid hollow
mortal cipher
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Interesting

mortal cipher
torn portal
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we don’t know actually

wet bay
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Idk why Landon goes there though surely there is an NA team he can go to that would be better than that AI generated looking roster

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Allergic to low ping ?

static turret
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So I mean

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Who really wants him

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Let me rephrase

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His bap iş his only noticeable hero

wet bay
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True

static turret
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For eu standard he can play flex

wet bay
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But his Kiri and Brig aren't bad

static turret
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His bap is top kr level

static turret
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Even tho he isn’t eu

wet bay
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Though Ana/Zen I feel like he would be cooked in a meta with one of those

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I don't think I've ever seen him play those

static turret
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Eu moment

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They don’t play dive

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When your tank is hadi for 3 years

wet bay
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It's kinda crazy they got Skai in 2023 for Ana and Landon on Brig

static turret
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Your options are bap and bap

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Im more excited for na

wet bay
static turret
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Tm is gonna dominate eu

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Easily

static turret
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That’s subjective

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Is he the best eu Winston? Probably

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But I mean

wet bay
static turret
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Is that saying much when your comp is chase and tjeomatic

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İs hadi nice on the hazard?

wet bay
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It's kind of hard to be good on Winston when no team has the right players for dive

wet bay
static turret
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Interesting

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They said he was the mauga goat tho

wet bay
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Like outside of that Lucio Kiri meta which wasn't even true dive he never got to go Winston

wet bay
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In the 2023 Winston meta Lethal and Skai were extremely fraudulent

wet bay
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Like the Lucio Moira Winston type shit but Kiri just replaced thst

glass sleet
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Wait the new team has checkmate?

static turret
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Winston ram queen

glass sleet
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Who’s the HS player?

static turret
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You name it

wet bay
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And you had Reaper Soj rather than Genji or anything

static turret
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I only know Landon checkmate and lbb on that roster

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Tbh

wet bay
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I wonder where Sparkr will go

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He was imo best EU player last year overall

cosmic socket
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ssg going na right

static turret
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Yea

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They already have a roster I think

cosmic socket
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weird

wet bay
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They are based in NA I think

cosmic socket
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are they really

wet bay
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I guess they just wanted a roster that could win the region and Toronto were already picked up by that point or something

static turret
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Na rn is supposedly just TL vs ssg I think

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Idk

cosmic socket
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huh

static turret
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Any team with sugarfree is hitting #1 na

wet bay
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I think TM probably wins EU next year tbh

static turret
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They should

cosmic socket
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refresher on the rosters

static turret
cosmic socket
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idk

wet bay
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Geng are gonna flop and ultimates idk

cosmic socket
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someone just dropped it here no clue how valid it is

wet bay
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Ultimates are confirmed exactly like that

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What is Skai doing on the roster anyways

static turret
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The eu teams are prob right

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But the na ones are still being moved around prob

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But if those teams are true

wet bay
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I don't have much interest in NA tbh

static turret
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Na is peak ow

cosmic socket
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na gonna be competitive af

static turret
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I mean

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Nah

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Just 2 teams

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Sadly

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Well

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I don’t understand why scissor wasn’t picked up tho

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Maybe a 3rd na team is on the rise

wet bay
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What other good players are in NA

torn portal
#

rakattack cal pge scissors

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ofc

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this core could easily be a roster

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uhhhh

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fluffy dreamland roster was super impressive, all them

wise orbit
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the only na players I know and respect are infekted and diddyfree

wet bay
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I didn't watch much NA last year really

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I watched 90% EU but I think I will try have more interest this year in all the regions

torn portal
#

tsm players could finally get signed to a major team

wise orbit
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I only watched emea like first half then I started watching abit of korean too

torn portal
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like cuffa squid lyar vision

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yk

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i’m the na head of chat i see

wise orbit
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I rooted for ntmr last season because they had infekted

torn portal
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if i had to think of making a roster of only na players that haven’t already been signed

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or rumored

wet bay
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I'm not sure who to root for next season

torn portal
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cuffa raikker pge scissors ryan cal rakattack

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if cal retires then give me squid

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prolly

cosmic socket
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is uv signed

wet bay
#

My London goats split

cosmic socket
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or rumored to be signed

torn portal
wise orbit
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eu I will either root for tu or whatever team sparkr joins

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sweden on tob

wet bay
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I'll prob root for sparkr also

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I just hope he is on a good team

torn portal
#

wait no ultraviolet has zero rumors

wise orbit
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I think sparkr on rumored gen.g roster would be goated

wet bay
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Honestly idk how Kai is getting on ultimates over him

wet bay
wise orbit
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mag
sauna
topdragon
sparkr
crispy
khenail

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they need a hs player

wise orbit
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I'm only worried about crispy tbh

torn portal
#

okay new na roster

Cuffa Raikker/Attack (my two guesses for a major off tank)

Pge (mb) Scissors

UV Rakattack Cal

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Dps i got no clue bro

glass sleet
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Ntmr is still around but they don’t have partner slot

wet bay
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Honestly ideal scenario would be Sparkr stays with SSG in NA instead of Seeker but I doubt it

torn portal
#

there are just no leaks except “probably c9 third team”

wet bay
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Geng would make lots of sense I'm just not convinced in that team tbh

wise orbit
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their cah team just won the championship I believe

glass sleet
torn portal
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gg

wet bay
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What are TM supports

wise orbit
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sauna and topdragon are both great but they are also both fdps

torn portal
wise orbit
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idk about mag but he shouldn't be that bad

torn portal
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on trungs life

wise orbit
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he's in like top 5 korea so he should do fine in eu no?

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among main tanks

torn portal
wet bay
# wise orbit backline is dodgy

I've seen Khenail cook a little on Kiri but don't remember much else about them. And Magazine I don't rate super highly. It would be carried by Sparkr and Topdragon probably

cosmic socket
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isnt mags hazard really good?

torn portal
cosmic socket
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idk i didnt watch soop

wet bay
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Neither

torn portal
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hjd beating falcons 😭 fight back bro

wet bay
#

Forgot who

torn portal
#

this puts them in top 3

wise orbit
#

sparkle

wet bay
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Sparkle?

cosmic socket
#

why were falcons so ass in soop

torn portal
wet bay
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Geng could be good but also when TM and Ultimates look really good I think flopping wouldn't be a huge surprise

wise orbit
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and they weren't THAT bad I think

torn portal
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my favorite teams aren’t in eu anymore and two of the signed orgs aren’t my favorite

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ultimates i suppose will be my root

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and also geng cus i’m a sauna head till i die

cosmic socket
wet bay
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I'll just root for Sparkr and if they aren't winning I'll root for Hadi and if they aren't winning I'll root for Landon

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Too Spitfire pilled

cosmic socket
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just remember rooting for hadi now means rooting for youbi

torn portal
#

bet my bottom dollar

wet bay
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Landon team gonna be shit though I think

torn portal
#

ever

wet bay
#

What is Sauna even there for isn't top dragon pretty flexible

torn portal
#

like who invited checkmate

wise orbit
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I want to root for kevster

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I probably will

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but idk how i feel about saudi org

wet bay
torn portal
wise orbit
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I know saunas tracer is crazy but how is he on other fdps

torn portal
#

tracer meta was so bad i lowk forgot

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i’m not a big eu fan

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isabelle how is sauna

wet bay
#

He was on Virtus Pro right

torn portal
#

ye

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shockwave sauna is a dps duo i’ve loved since nyxl

wet bay
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What was stage 3 meta, they beat SSG but lost to ENCE. Don't remember anything else from VP

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Sauna is pretty good though from what I remember

wise orbit
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seems like ashe tracer or widow tracer depending on map

torn portal
#

not juno

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yes

wise orbit
#

sauna just played tracer stage 3

wet bay
#

SSG hard flopped stage 3

torn portal
#

and they beat ssg

wise orbit
#

I'm excited to see more chase this season though

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apparently he's not in ukraine anymore

torn portal
#

hopefully

wet bay
torn portal
#

hopefully he’s not airstriked to get delayed

wet bay
#

Gibraltar only

wise orbit
#

unless ksaa has a crazy orisa idk if he does

torn portal
#

like ence try not to delay a match because a tank is absent challenge

weary scarab
#

hes actually insane at hitscan

wise orbit
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i believe

torn portal
#

like sure proud is amazing

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but that is the goat

wet bay
#

Tbh I don't remember anything from Quartz except stage 4, what was going on with TM in stage 2 and 3 even. Their roster was a mess right

wise orbit
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I haven't watched qlm at all so I can't say

cosmic socket
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ksaas on ultimates?

wise orbit
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but quartz is world class

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how old is qlm

torn portal
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for a saudi i don’t see how you could disrespect the best saudi player ever

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not hyperbole no glaze

wet bay
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He worked for that championship smh

torn portal
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Good job bro

cosmic socket
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majeds just happy to be there

weary scarab
torn portal
#

i just haven’t seen him

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what rosters has been on i should remember teams at least

wet bay
torn portal
#

i mean you could count world cup i guess he still won that

weary scarab
#

alqadsiah have players for the future. ziyad qlm tred. finally ziyad gets to play in owcs

wet bay
#

Does Maka technically have a ring

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I remember Mayhem signed him and said they were preparing him for 2024 💀

torn portal
#

he doesn’t

wet bay
#

Wasn't he on the roster during then?

torn portal
#

nah dropped before

torn portal
#

you have to agree that it is a little random tho 😭

wet bay
weary scarab
wet bay
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Or the paycheck idk

weary scarab
#

i just wanted checkmate in tm

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first he joins roc 2024 then

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alqadsiah 2025

wet bay
#

I'm surprised Landon didn't go to TM

weary scarab
#

what is this

torn portal
wet bay
#

Is irony good I don't remember anything about him

torn portal
#

checkmate was decent on fnatic

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knife was the big highlight tho

wise orbit
#

I'll definitely be following korea more this year

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I didn't take much interest in it last year because it felt like cr just dominated all the time

mortal cipher
#

from the rumors its gonna be SKT this time around

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lol

wet bay
mortal cipher
wise orbit
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i thought they were rumored to be on falcons

mortal cipher
#

whi knows

wise orbit
#

bru can they just start announcing the rosters

fluid sage
#

is there way i can find to team comps played and the result that happened during Soop Cup?

wet bay
mortal cipher
wet bay
#

Someone Viper probably cook

mortal cipher
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only missing a Flex Support is the problem

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i mean Viper was cookiing on Shanghai Fnatic and HJD i mean man was the MVP when he took down Falcons

wet bay
#

I don't rate Opener though

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Hard to put that roster near CR or Falcons

#

There was some roster rumor someone sent here I'll check

wise orbit
wet bay
#

Yeah that

wise orbit
#

shu fielder swap might be fake though

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shu denied it on discord apparently

wet bay
#

Someone on Falcons and no Stalk3r or Hanbin

#

Just seems odd

wise orbit
#

he was the best off tank and second best tank overall this season idk why they wouldn't keep him

wet bay
#

I assume Sirmajed is forced so you're basically forced to only have one tank now that it's limit 7

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Someone is very flexible so it could make sense in that regard but at the same time idk

wise orbit
#

majed being on that roster is so stupid

wet bay
#

And why Mer1t

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That's just not believable to me

wise orbit
#

having a dedicated hs player is good

wet bay
#

I think both stalk3r and proper are just better than him really

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Just

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Put one of them as dedicated hitscan outside of double flex the whole year

wise orbit
#

yea maybe

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but someone makes sense

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since smurf is retiring

wet bay
#

I don't really like the limit 7 on a roster

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I guess people will have to get more flexible anyways with bans but still

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Actually now I think about bans I'm questioning how Funnyastro got onto TM lmao

wise orbit
#

I mean how many other competent eu ms players are there

wet bay
#

His Brig kinda sucks

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His Juno was ok

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You're not wrong though i can't even think of another EU ms player

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Admiral

wise orbit
#

they have one more import slot but i've heard it would be a kr tank

wise orbit
#

wait I need to look this up because I don't remember where I read it lol

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but yeah I think a korean ms would be better than a korean tank for them

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hadi is somewhat flexible

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even though he's pretty mid on most heroes

wet bay
#

I mean he plays all that are relevant mostly

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His Ram is good

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Hazard he is apparently good at

wise orbit
#

his rein is world class but unfortunately he's not viable most of the time

wet bay
#

Winston questionable but its EU and his Mauga meh

wise orbit
#

yeah his winston is dodgy but I think he would diff most other eu tanks on him

wet bay
#

JQ I think he can play but hasn't since joats

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His Orisa was nice in stage 4 too

wise orbit
#

there was some guy here that said hadi was a downgrade from tvnt

wet bay
#

Lol

late saddle
wet bay
late saddle
wet bay
#

Btw what is it like being an Orisa player in ranked do you get people on the enemy team crying

#

The 'honourable' Rein mains losing to horse

weary scarab
glass sleet
hazy marsh
wise orbit
glass sleet
hazy marsh
#

they have Twilight Bliss no?

glass sleet
#

No

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Irony funnastro

weary scarab
#

They are still waiting for one to sign the contract

hazy marsh
#

oh im stupid thats the ultimates right

glass sleet
hazy marsh
#

huh

#

which team hasthem then

weary scarab
#

TM

glass sleet
hazy marsh
#

oh its twilight faith skai

glass sleet
#

Tm has funnyastro and irony

#

They have one import slot available

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The ssg core went to TM

#

Not very optimistic about it but I believe

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Maybe they thought hadi is so experienced with TP plays that he would fit their play style

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Being youbi a sym one trick

glass sleet
wet bay
#

I mean Hadi is 2nd or the best EU tank it makes sense

#

Seicoe went crazy last year

#

Funnyastro already played with them and is a good option

glass sleet
glass sleet
wet bay
#

Who is better? KSAA is the only one you could really say, they are both clear of the rest by a bit

hazy marsh
#

what heroes is hadi realistically best on in EU other than rein?

glass sleet
#

Yes

glass sleet
#

No

#

Maybe

#

But KSAA is the best

#

TU currently looks like the best EU team

wet bay
#

He is weaker on Mauga mainly compared to the others I think

weary scarab
#

Tbh idk where all the ksaa hype came from

#

Directly when bro left tm he suddenly the best tank in eu 😂

wet bay
#

Owwc and then winning stage 1

#

But Youbi was with him for that so

#

We will see who is best this year I guess

#

Just didn't get to see enough of him last year but he's definitely a top tank of EU

glass sleet
#

He was dominating EU in contenders, won stage 1 OWCS and was playing VERY WELL till he left

static turret
glass sleet
#

This shit ain’t hype

static turret
#

Eu tanks are pretty lackluster it’s not surprise ksaa is top 3

viscid hatch
#

With such a successful year on racoons I don’t see why shu would swap especially now hero bans are a thing and buff their team

wet bay
#

Majority of non Korean anything is lackluster

glass sleet
#

Dude he was legit “Korean level” off tank in stage 1

#

He just hasn’t been playing since

cosmic socket
#

praying theres no cr roster changes so the potential 5 stack still makes sense

static turret
#

Didn’t shu and fielder change spots

wet bay
glass sleet
#

I just found out I don’t have to warm up in Valorant

wet bay
viscid hatch
static turret
#

Ah

viscid hatch
#

But shu was also still in cr community tournament as Korea open was happening

glass sleet
#

Who ever posted TU before their announcement was spot on

wet bay
#

It had Someone and Mer1t over Hanbin and Stalk3r also which idk

static turret
#

Imo fielder>shu flexibility but shu>fielder skill

cosmic socket
#

i mean we attempted it at a huge lowpoint for ow

#

games stale plus everybody grinding rivals

static turret
#

Shu is nonchalant just him

#

Like

wet bay
static turret
#

Other top supports are flashy or make risky plays

glass sleet
viscid hatch
#

Shu is better at kirkiko bap ana zen and prolly illari, but fielder can match him on all of those plus he has a brig

static turret
#

But I feel like shu is shu

viscid hatch
#

I would take shu in a mirror match on almost all flex supports part from brig

static turret
#

Idk if that makes sense

glass sleet
#

Arguably bap

viscid hatch
#

Fielder and shu is the closest contest between two players IMO and whoever we one you choose is fine

static turret
#

Id say kiri but thats just me

viscid hatch
glass sleet
#

Who won owl on kiriko?

#

Oh fielder

viscid hatch
glass sleet
#

Shu

#

I’m Houston

#

In*

#

Lol

viscid hatch
#

In Kiriko meta no

wet bay
viscid hatch
echo rampart
#

That was “hello Kiri ult every 5 seconds” meta

static turret
#

Imo shu>fielder kiri bap ana which are 3 of the main meta supports but fielder has everything else

#

Shu Juno is highkey buns

viscid hatch
#

Yeah

#

Shu or fielder are both valid

glass sleet
#

I think fielder is the better player but shu is the better ana

static turret
#

He was commit on terrorist acts on Juno in owcs worlds

viscid hatch
static turret
#

Both are mvp level

glass sleet
#

Yeah

viscid hatch
#

I would take shu in most metas

glass sleet
#

Can’t go wrong with either

viscid hatch
#

It’s just the weird rush metas fielder is better at

#

Which wouldn’t make his fit for crazy racoons good

static turret
#

Let’s get a zen meta

viscid hatch
#

They are best dive

static turret
#

Let fielder cook

static turret
#

Look who they have

viscid hatch
wet bay
static turret
#

Moon and his ball plays

static turret
#

Tbf

#

Majed is best eu support

#

Possibly

#

But hes stuck in kr jail

wet bay
#

How long did majed even play last year

static turret
#

He plays sometimes

#

He’s not bad in kr tho

wet bay
static turret
#

Early early owcs he played vs cr and zeta

#

And didn’t do bad

#

He had a 100% wr on circuit royale

#

He was the bap guy

#

But at some point it’s just not worth it

glass sleet
#

Vacation

#

It’s anything but jail

glass sleet
static turret
glass sleet
static turret
#

Then they perma benched him

glass sleet
static turret
#

Chilling on the bench buying Korean thrift

#

I would to tbh

glass sleet
#

Man EU needs an extra fsup

static turret
#

Getting paid like 50-60k to sit on the bench and get free winning that he’s carried to?

glass sleet
#

Him being in KR ruining rosters lol

weary scarab
static turret
static turret
#

Majed is just