CR just pack it up tbh
#esports-discussion
jaunty scaffold
glass sleet
Pizza would be so good rn
glass sleet
honestly just try something new
That’s why max is in
hybrid hollow
Only option is queen but who knows if they scrimmed it
glass sleet
they arent gonna win the mauga mirror
He’ll go dva for attack
humble token
Try sig
humble token
Try leaving the game
jaunty scaffold
real
hybrid hollow
good first point tho
humble token
Can max play queen
cosmic socket
Lmao look at the crowd’s faces nobody’s smiling
my same reaction to mauga meta
jaunty scaffold
wait CR is capping?
hybrid hollow
wait CR is capping?
The echo trade was huge
cosmic socket
yeah that was a really good 1st actually
humble token
CAN MAX PLAY QUEEN
jaunty scaffold
max really said "I understand it now"
cosmic socket
idk
hybrid hollow
at least they traded the ults evenly this time
jaunty scaffold
PROPER GAP
jaunty scaffold
k cool they just throw away their cage advantage
stalk3r clutched it up with his copy
hybrid hollow
And proper feeds his brains out
cosmic socket
wait why is proper dying early
glass sleet
Btw reaper ult dmg does more
jaunty scaffold
PROPER???
split flume
PROPER HAS ZERO RESPECT FOR THESE GUYS NOW 
glass sleet
It was buffed a few patches ago
jaunty scaffold
someone check proper's paypal
jaunty scaffold
I heard a ding from his phone
split flume
okay falcons are losing this map to themselves
cosmic socket
okay thats really bad for falcons
jaunty scaffold
both teams popped 4 ults
hybrid hollow
Wtf
jaunty scaffold
that was a huge blunder
hybrid hollow
Huge
cosmic socket
BIG
hybrid hollow
Stalker always gets his one bro
split flume
CHORONG?
jaunty scaffold
big cage
hybrid hollow
Bro what is stalker
cosmic socket
YOOO
jaunty scaffold
lip dies before he can blossom
jaunty scaffold
shu got picked 1st
someone get him back on ana
cosmic socket
how is shu fucking up the easier character in this meta
jaunty scaffold
chorong was getting FUCKED UP on that last point tho
split flume
Are falcons mauga merchants or are racoons dive merchants
i've never seen cr win off dive comps 
jaunty scaffold
between the stalk3r stomp into their spawn and the solo cage while he had rally
cosmic socket
big solo cage
glass sleet
chorong was getting FUCKED UP on that last point tho
He had ult too
jaunty scaffold
you can tell this isn't CR's meta
glass sleet
the 4-1 was written in the stars
Or in twitch chat…by me from the start.
whole compass
Ar last its not a sweep
humble token
Cr about to do worse than tm
jaunty scaffold
we rly forgetting how falcons 3-0'd CR earlier today
cosmic socket
please junbin
hybrid hollow
we rly forgetting how falcons 3-0'd CR earlier today
Nah we ain't forget
split flume
falcons are now 6-0 in the mauga mirror
whole compass
you can tell this isn't CR's meta
A team this stacked shouldn't be this bad no matter the meta
humble token
TIME FOR PROPER TO NOT BE CARPE
hybrid hollow
Tbf they look better now but still they lose the mirror every time
whole compass
TIME FOR PROPER TO NOT BE CARPE
Amen
jaunty scaffold
A team this stacked shouldn't be this bad no matter the meta
they only know dive
whole compass
Cr just need to play something that isn't mauga no matter what it is
Nit many options but still better than mauga
humble token
Cr just need to play something that isn't mauga no matter what it is
Jq smh
static pond
they only know dive
Nah they played other metas earlier in the season
jaunty scaffold
Nah they played other metas earlier in the season
against worse teams yeah
cosmic socket
just play anyone besides mauga
cosmic socket
they ran zar??
jaunty scaffold
They played queen zarya also against falcons some sig also
in stockholm?
static pond
Ya a lot earlier
It was before juno
Tbh I think cr can play the queen against mauga
hybrid hollow
Falcons may be mauga merchants
slate thunder
they only know dive
yea theyre basically dive or troll
glass sleet
Tbh I think cr can play the queen against mauga
Yes but you wanna play queen mirror with hanbin?
humble token
Tbh I think cr can play the queen against mauga
Idk why they aint doing
glass sleet
Idk why they aint doing
Cuz hanbin gonna mirror
humble token
Yes but you wanna play queen mirror with hanbin?
Better than playing mauga
hybrid hollow
Yes but you wanna play queen mirror with hanbin?
that's a way better option than the mauga mirror so ye
jaunty scaffold
Idk why they aint doing
because mauga/reaper is just that good
static pond
Yes but you wanna play queen mirror with hanbin?
Hanbin played queen when cr was being uh cr
humble token
because mauga/reaper is just that good
Did u say whag nrg was doing
glass sleet
Hanbin played queen when cr was being uh cr
Hmmm
humble token
Cr should copy nrg comp
jaunty scaffold
what was the NRG comp
glass sleet
Did u say whag nrg was doing
Yeah I saw them lose 3-0 to TD
cosmic socket
proper and stalker are just better than lip and heesang in mauga meta
hybrid hollow
what was the NRG comp
Queen Sombra Juno brig
static pond
Heesang is also really aggressive
jaunty scaffold
proper and stalker are just better than lip and heesang in mauga meta
double flex meta yeah
lip is out of his depth
cosmic socket
wait wait wait
hybrid hollow
Genji Ashe venture was the other dps they ran
cosmic socket
wait
humble token
Yeah I saw them lose 3-0 to TD
Lip sombra is diffrent
glass sleet
Lip sombra is diffrent
No…sombra is different. They’re not the same
hybrid hollow
cr didnt pick new queen street??????
Probably didn't scrim it
I doubt anyone touched tht map
Runasapi is just the go to push map
jaunty scaffold
why runasapi exactly?
hybrid hollow
Nonidea
jaunty scaffold
is that just the best mauga map
cosmic socket
i was really expecting new queen cuz of junbin
humble token
Runasapi is just the go to push map
Go to push map to lose lol
glass sleet
Probably didn't scrim it
Not scrimming is their thing tho. They didn’t scrim ball in Dallas
hybrid hollow
I guess it's the less shit push map
static pond
Probably didn't scrim it
It a mauga map ether way
hybrid hollow
That too
hybrid hollow
like honestly I get why they're not on ball
most of these maps mauga plays better on
static pond
Ya
cosmic socket
why pick esperanca tho
hybrid hollow
And they probably didn't scrim the queen shit bc they probably had good scrim results with the mauga
glass sleet
Heesang knows it was cuz of him
split flume
Did they play escort yet
gib
cosmic socket
they just played gibraltar
glass sleet
Did they play escort yet
Obviously
glass sleet
Gib
hybrid hollow
Forgot it's escort
glass sleet
Yeeeeep
wise orbit
Cr will turn this around
glass sleet
Lol Junbin sounding the way he does
LOL lip saying he sold it was exactly what I was thinking
cosmic socket
daddy is back in
static pond
Lip Calling out na laziness
jaunty scaffold
Cr will turn this around
falcons is 6-0 in the mauga mirror against CR
static pond
Eu too
jaunty scaffold
there's no way
static pond
Idk
glass sleet
Da goat smurf
hybrid hollow
"don't finish aw Jesus Christ it's fucking everywhere" - commander x
cosmic socket
why broo
theyre obviously gonna be shit on this why are they still trying to mirror the mauga
jaunty scaffold
smurf dead?
jaunty scaffold
1st fight was a draw dw
hybrid hollow
smurf dead?
It's intentional at this point
split flume
it's so joever
hybrid hollow
Their maugas die first and win
cosmic socket
do yall think cr knows the definition of insanity?
hybrid hollow
Check the game settings they say
jaunty scaffold
how did proper build die die die so fast
he's gapping tf out of lip
hybrid hollow
But it's like they also don't have options
jaunty scaffold
he has been all day
hybrid hollow
Like they're kinda cucked by the meta
This meta only came in a week before stockholm
cosmic socket
real unfortunate meta for lip
hybrid hollow
So the best option is just to mirror since nobody really knows how to shut it down
Even the queen shit is just a gamble
cosmic socket
good point
cosmic socket
what were they running before the mauga stuff
hybrid hollow
Orisa
cosmic socket
right right
split flume
proper's brain is so big
cosmic socket
NO
split flume
RAYJAX
split flume
PROPER IS THROWING
jaunty scaffold
goatsang?
hybrid hollow
Keep throwing proper pleaseeeee
cosmic socket
no way
cosmic socket
are they finally gonna win a mauga mirror
jaunty scaffold
are they finally gonna win a mauga mirror
we're only halfway through the round
chill
the proper paypal is gonna wear off soon
jaunty scaffold
CR is gonna get forward spawn tho
hybrid hollow
Like you know he rallys there
cosmic socket
^^
hybrid hollow
Maybe if the ray was earlier I can see the vision
cosmic socket
like why even blossom if you know he has rally
humble token
Hold on
split flume
PROPER JUST MURDERED SHU AND CH0RONG
humble token
Cr has a chancr
cosmic socket
nah
jaunty scaffold
proper got gapped lol
hybrid hollow
Cr is so inefficient with the ults
cosmic socket
falcons has a huge rally advantage
split flume
HOLY FUCK FALCONS
jaunty scaffold
falcons has a huge rally advantage
fielder is ahead of lip
spiral light
it’s over.
split flume
FALCONS ULT USE IS FUCKING NUTS
hybrid hollow
It's joever
jaunty scaffold
GYATT DAMN
static turret
I fell asleep
hybrid hollow
like falcons gets value with ults every time
static turret
Who’s winning
spiral light
wait proper just called me he said he’s getting a 5k
spiral light
this cage is gonna be fat
jaunty scaffold
okay CR held it at least
static turret
Idk what map tho
hybrid hollow
Idk what map tho
Gib
jaunty scaffold
I saw heesang got a 4k on tracer
he got a 5k on gib
static turret
Damn
hybrid hollow
Only map they won
jaunty scaffold
CR only wins on dive
spiral light
cage and rally
cosmic socket
PLEASE LOCK IN FALCONS
spiral light
this rally is gonna be huge
cosmic socket
its joever
hybrid hollow
Omg
jaunty scaffold
falcons is just far better with ults
hybrid hollow
Omg
spiral light
ggs
hybrid hollow
Get this guy back on ball
jaunty scaffold
CR only has cage
split flume
SDFKGHBSDFG
static turret
Yikes
jaunty scaffold
CAGEJAX
cosmic socket
ggs
jaunty scaffold
THEY WIN IT
static turret
They didn’t win Asia
hybrid hollow
falcons went crazy
spiral light
They didn’t win Asia
asia isn’t that big
hybrid hollow
Carpe curse is no more
spiral light
PROPER GOT HIS FUCKING RING
fake ring
hybrid hollow
He finally won
static turret
How is it fake
spiral light
it just doesn’t feel real
static turret
These are two of the best teams oat
desert fractal
GGS
static turret
Cr is literally the best team oat
hybrid hollow
gg winning the biggest event of the year doesn't count i fear
humble token
Gg PROPR
quasi umbra
and it's over
quasi umbra
almost a full sweep
humble token
PROPER IS NOT CARPE
split flume
quasi umbra
ggs
whole compass
PROPER WON A CHIP
cosmic socket
had to dumb it down to mauga double flex to take down my glorious king junbin
split flume
THE ONLY MAP PROPER LOST THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT WAS TO TWISTED MINDS
cosmic socket
unfortunate
whole compass
SIR MAJED IS THER ELMAOOIO
split flume
THE ONLY MAP PROPER LOST THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT WAS TO TWISTED MINDS
THE ONLY MAP PROPER LOST THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT WAS TO TWISTED MINDS
static turret
lol
split flume
THE ONLY MAP PROPER LOST THE WHOLE TOURNAMENT WAS TO TWISTED MINDS
mellow wigeon
tf was balling out whenever i popped in, no surprises here
static turret
Is that majed in the back
humble token
EU>NA
whole compass
Majed airport
cosmic socket
emea was so mid
jaunty scaffold
who's MVP tho
jaunty scaffold
it HAS to be proper
cosmic socket
who's MVP tho
gotta be proper
hybrid hollow
Stalker did nore
spiral light
dude the trophy looks kinda weird i prefer the owl one
split flume
FIRST RING CRUSTY HAS WON SINCE 2020
humble token
Stalker
hybrid hollow
I watched proper feed his brains out s few times stalker was killing 4 and trading like every fight
split flume
bro
cerulean monolith
PROPER UNDERSTOOD ENGLISH OMG
hybrid hollow
What is crusty yappin about
split flume
that was a diff on like
whole compass
proper mvp for sure
split flume
every role
whole compass
Stalker great but proper amazing
jaunty scaffold
the proper blossoms went crazy tho
split flume
the leaper and shuno are NOT it
cobalt steppe
boring game, meta is sooo stupidly snooze worthy
cosmic socket
^
cobalt steppe
they need hero bans
hybrid hollow
the proper blossoms went crazy tho
true but it's also reaper ult
hybrid hollow
you press it at the right time and shit dies
worn falcon
The crust
static turret
Falcons farmed
glass sleet
Ggs falcons for winning finals
split flume
it's so fucking beautiful 😭 😭 😭
hybrid hollow
Mauga merchants but well deserved either way
whole compass
Crusty crying
static turret
I see it
spiral light
ye proper didn’t deserve it
split flume
you press it at the right time and shit dies
and yet lip barely got shit when he pressed q and proper almost always got like a 3k 
spiral light
stalker was putting in that work
hardy sluice
There’s no reruns of this right
cobalt steppe
we can never have a close final. It's just boring gameplay. The only map that was fun to watch was Watchpoint
hybrid hollow
and yet lip barely got shit when he pressed q and proper almost always got like ...
Lowkey not even his fault his Q was just worse
hardy sluice
Like the lives
cosmic socket
stalker deserves the mvp
glass sleet
Stalk3r winning mvp is the right choice
hybrid hollow
There’s no reruns of this right
No they been streaming reruns
hardy sluice
There’s no reruns of this right
?
glass sleet
Finally got the credit he deserves
hardy sluice
No they been streaming reruns
Oh when’s this one
cobalt steppe
there will be an encore broadcast
burnt jolt
falcons 💪💪💪💪
cobalt steppe
with drops enabled
mellow wigeon
how yall think the tommathan video's gonna be
dapper scroll
falcons did so good
hybrid hollow
Oh when’s this one
Idk but the others were at 4 est
hardy sluice
Idk but the others were at 4 est
Bet
hybrid hollow
how yall think the tommathan video's gonna be
Absolutely peak
split flume
god im so fuckin happy rn
cerulean monolith
W stalker
hybrid hollow
tommathan has so much content
humble token
W
glass sleet
Fuck man!! CX with the two min ad
dapper scroll
stalker winning mvp is well deserved!!!!!
mellow wigeon
MVPPP
whole compass
Ah stalker won mvp
hardy sluice
I’ll check around then. I tuned in when I woke up but 4 am is a wack ass time for someone to watch if they’re EST
static turret
tommathan has so much content
We need 3 diff videos minimum
weary talon
Deserved mvp
hybrid hollow
I got my nrg redemption and the fraudulent fall of EU couldn't ask for more
weary talon
He’s crazy
static turret
25 minutes each
cerulean monolith
I’ll check around then. I tuned in when I woke up but 4 am is a wack ass time fo...
erm it started at 5
5:45
glass sleet
Ah stalker won mvp
I would’ve been so mad if he didn’t
static turret
Quartz deserves his own 20 minute video
cosmic socket
I got my nrg redemption and the fraudulent fall of EU couldn't ask for more
yeah im just happy to see eu be so shit
cerulean monolith
they did insane for no reason
hardy sluice
erm it started at 5
Still that’s wack I’m not waking up at 6 am on a Sunday for OWCS 💀
hybrid hollow
Okay lets all talk about TM rq
You mean quartz?
humble token
I am have to rewatch tm vs falcons
hybrid hollow
Chill Guy vs 9
cerulean monolith
Still that’s wack I’m not waking up at 6 am on a Sunday for OWCS 💀
then dont cry abt it womp womp
whole compass
I would’ve been so mad if he didn’t
Either stalker or proper but I guess echo is more skillfull than reaper so I'm fine with it
glass sleet
Both TM and CR both got their one from falcons.
static turret
lol
cosmic socket
i feel bad for quartz
hardy sluice
then dont cry abt it womp womp
I’m not… crying? I was just saying it’s a wack time for different time zones.
cosmic socket
goat hitscan surrounded by bums
whole compass
SMURF HAS 3 RINGS NOW
Goat behavior
humble token
TM makes eu proud
static turret
Ok but what’s the prize pool
cerulean monolith
I’m not… crying? I was just saying it’s a wack time for different time zones.
NA gets most of the tournies in their timezone
static turret
Can we see
worn falcon
3 rings crusty
glass sleet
Either stalker or proper but I guess echo is more skillfull than reaper so I'm f...
It’s not just that. It’s the individual plays outside of team clump too
paper totem
My boys falcons taking the dub
hybrid hollow
Ok but what’s the prize pool
$50 and a watch
static turret
I see it
glass sleet
Smurf always winning last map. What a goat
paper totem
STALKER FINALLY GETTING HIS SPOTLIGHT
whole compass
Wait that it
hardy sluice
NA gets most of the tournies in their timezone
I know that, and it makes sense the time is different since it’s Stockholm. I was just wondering if there were rerun streams
glass sleet
They not gonna say the prize pool
It’s too embarrassing
cosmic socket
Ok but what’s the prize pool
15 dollars and a taco bell gift card
cerulean monolith
I know that, and it makes sense the time is different since it’s Stockholm. I wa...
ofc there are
hardy sluice
Bc 5:45 am on a Sunday most people are sleep
whole compass
Where is sir majed intereview
burnt jolt
They not gonna say the prize pool
i’m glad that falcons pay them so well, they deserve it
worn falcon
Ring for the benchest player: majed
whole compass
Can we talk about chiyo's jawline bro is majestic
static pond
And happy
heavy scroll
congrats Atlanta rein on the win
glass sleet
Where is sir majed intereview
“So sirmajed, tell us your plan going onto the bench all tournament? Any ideas or suggestions on how to warm that bench just as good as you or is it just pure talent?”
weary talon
They not gonna say the prize pool
5 kebabs on the way home in malmö
cosmic socket
Can we talk about chiyo's jawline bro is majestic
split flume
Can we talk about chiyo's jawline bro is majestic
worn falcon
Gotham has batman, but Rhyad has Majed
glass sleet
congrats Atlanta rein on the win
You mean hamster
static pond
When does the new season start?
glass sleet
When does the new season start?
January
weary talon
Deserved win for falcons
whole compass
This tournament eu did better than na in terms of beating the Koreans
weary talon
1 map
cosmic socket
did they???
glass sleet
Only team outside of CR to take a map was TM
split flume
na got 0 maps against korea and eu got 1
whole compass
Goat region
weary talon
Tm took one mao from falcons
glass sleet
such an achievement
glass sleet
Geez that close
Yeah we’re supposed to have 3 events next year instead of 2
static pond
Yeah we’re supposed to have 3 events next year instead of 2
Pray players don’t get burnt out
weary talon
Now that the season’s over can we leave Mauga behind
paper totem
na got 0 maps against korea and eu got 1
No even EU lol
split flume
emea
cosmic socket
bro how did tm take a map off falcons
split flume
falcons got caught off guard by pharah ashe
paper totem
bro how did tm take a map off falcons
Off meta
static pond
The map
split flume
and then they adapted
paper totem
TM is also good
split flume
and played sojourn and jq and stuff
cosmic socket
did lbbd actually do something
paper totem
did lbbd actually do something
TM is the best EMEA team
weary talon
Why didnt cr do the same
split flume
static turret
Quartz did 95% of the work
paper totem
TM almost beat Toronto
cosmic socket
TM is the best EMEA team
thats kinda sad
weary talon
Considering they’re miles better than tm
static pond
Ngl tho I kinda wanted hero bans for this grand finals
weary talon
No they’re stupid
cosmic socket
^
paper totem
Why didnt cr do the same
To be fair meta did not favor them
cosmic socket
hero bans are sick in pro play
weary talon
Hero bans make even more hegemony
cosmic socket
its so boring when the meta turns into a complete mirror
weary talon
You go against a team that plays off meta -> ban their key hero and force them to play meta
paper totem
If there r hero bans then TM is not even a team
weary talon
Hero bans are dunb
serene dock
spacestation trolled uwu
hybrid hollow
Hero bans are hit or miss
cosmic socket
i like hero bans
hybrid hollow
Everyone likes hero bans when the meta is shit but when it isn't they can be kinda ass
Or teams that have fun off meta comps that work get shut down
cosmic socket
they add more complexity to team composition
it doesnt just turn into play meta support duo with meta brawl tank or winston
hybrid hollow
It's like at the end of the day mirrors are as competitive as it gets
weary talon
it doesnt just turn into play meta support duo with meta brawl tank or winston
It literally does
hybrid hollow
It's literally you play better or dont
wise orbit
hero bans are a net positive tho
paper totem
The current meta is a Juno issue
cosmic socket
It's like at the end of the day mirrors are as competitive as it gets
mirrors arent fun to watch tho
weary talon
Hero bans make it impossible for teams that don’t play meta to play their comp
hybrid hollow
Joats was fun as hell to watch
static turret
^
hybrid hollow
dive mirrors are fun
static turret
Hero bans would kill some teams
cosmic socket
yeah but the majority of ow2 metas have been brawl slop
torpid bane
i rather watch sojourn meta than this x2 cage, juno brig
hybrid hollow
that's just an ow2 issue
paper totem
yeah but the majority of ow2 metas have been brawl slop
That is map design
jaunty scaffold
Hero bans would kill some teams
more variety though
hybrid hollow
that too
cosmic socket
its either been mauga orisa or ram slop
hybrid hollow
Map pool plays a huge part
weary talon
Lets say its a Mauga meta but theres a team that specializes ball, well then with hero bans you’re always gonna ban their ball and force them onto mauga
cosmic socket
only one that stands out is queen comp
hybrid hollow
Majority of the maps mauga was just too favored on
jaunty scaffold
Lets say its a Mauga meta but theres a team that specializes ball, well then wit...
crazy raccoon moment
wise orbit
I’m ok with some otp team getting stomped as long as the top teams play more variety
hybrid hollow
nrg and tm lose in the first round of hero bans exist
hybrid hollow
I’m ok with some otp team getting stomped as long as the top teams play more var...
see that's just picking and choosing tho
weary talon
I’m ok with some otp team getting stomped as long as the top teams play more var...
Top teams will never pick variety
jaunty scaffold
it forces teams to not OTP
wise orbit
With hero bans there would be more variety
weary talon
If you ban the best option, top teams default to the next best option
static turret
The “top team” lose their key comp with this btw
jaunty scaffold
I'm of the opinion that hero bans should not exist in ranked tho
hybrid hollow
Even then it only forces variety for the weaker teams
jaunty scaffold
only pro play
weary talon
If you ban mauga i assure you falcons and cr would onetrick queen instead
hybrid hollow
the good teams just both play the best option after the ban
wise orbit
I found ewc much more interesting to watch than this
hybrid hollow
Still a mirror
it just cucks the specialist teams that are usually more fun to watch anyways
wise orbit
Idk I’ll have to rewatch some of the ewc
jaunty scaffold
I found ewc much more interesting to watch than this
there were some certified banger games these past few days tho
rugged quest
If you ban mauga i assure you falcons and cr would onetrick queen instead
even that is in the right direction though
also brig and juno bans could shake things up ALOT
they have been meta defining for 4 months now
hybrid hollow
It's not the idea of a mirror itself it's just the comp
weary talon
Yes but that’s not the point
static turret
If the game was balanced bans wouldn’t be an issue
weary talon
Top teams will mirror most of the time , regardless of hero bans
static turret
^
jaunty scaffold
who got MVP btw? had to go do smth just after the final match
hybrid hollow
who got MVP btw? had to go do smth just after the final match
stalker
static turret
Stalker
rugged quest
If the game was balanced bans wouldn’t be an issue
if the balance was good bans wouldnt be necessary
but it isnt
wise orbit
Honestly I feel like mirrors aren’t that common in most pro metas
jaunty scaffold
it was a tossup between him and proper
wise orbit
at least not full mirrors
mental vine
IM HAPPY PROPER GOT HIS FIRST EVER WORLD CHAMPION TITLE! He truly deserves it 🙂
jaunty scaffold
stalk3r's echo was insane
static turret
if the balance was good bans wouldnt be necessary
That’s literally what I said
Wait
Im@dumb
weary talon
Best possible balance is a balance that imposes a certain archetype per map whilst allowing other comps to function but at a higher effort at said map
hybrid hollow
Genuinely if map design and balance got better this wouldn't even be a conversation
jaunty scaffold
do we know the prize pools btw?
paper totem
IM HAPPY PROPER GOT HIS FIRST EVER WORLD CHAMPION TITLE! He truly deserves it 🙂
Waiting for his classic post game tweet
Stalker carried this series tho
wise orbit
It makes most games more interesting but it can fuck up a map for a one trick
weary talon
do we know the prize pools btw?
5€
paper totem
Stalker so good
rugged quest
in bum ass metas likes these bans make the game more exciting no question
wise orbit
I agree
rugged quest
in dallas we got lucky because west had a shit meta read
glass sleet
if the balance was good bans wouldnt be necessary
Bans aren’t made to stop broken heroes from being played. Bans are just another layer of strategy you use to beat your opponents. Having bans doesn’t mean your roster is unbalanced
How EWC did it was very entertaining
hybrid hollow
Bans aren’t made to stop broken heroes from being played. Bans are just another ...
Not the roster the game itself
hybrid hollow
Bans exist bc the game doesn't allow for flexibility anymore at the highest kevel
glass sleet
If the game was good
No matter how good the game is. Counters will exist.
And that doesn’t mean it’s unbalanced
Not at all
wise orbit
If the game was good
This game is genuinely impossible to balance tho, so why even bring this up
glass sleet
This game is genuinely impossible to balance tho, so why even bring this up
Cuz ocie tweeted it. People just repeating it
paper totem
Juno needs a nerf
hybrid hollow
It's not a counter issue it's the game always having a comp that is significantly stronger and balance not allowing counterplay to those comps
weary talon
This game is genuinely impossible to balance tho, so why even bring this up
I say go back in time and never release brig
hybrid hollow
Cuz ocie tweeted it. People just repeating it
no people have been saying this
glass sleet
Juno needs a nerf
She got nerfed don’t worry. Juno was meta cuz they weren’t playing on the nerfed Juno patch
weary talon
And see what happens in the alternate timeline
hybrid hollow
Bans has been a controversial topic since we got hero pools in owl tht one time
This conversation is nothing new at all
split flume
so is smurf the goat tank now
split flume
wait
hybrid hollow
so is smurf the goat tank now
Nah it's silver3
split flume
weary talon
Nah it's silver3
LOL
cobalt steppe
just watching mirror meta comps are soo boring
glass sleet
When did we go from “ban system in EWC was great” to “we don’t need it if the game was balanced” and just to add to that “if the game was balanced” is wild. What does that even mean? How do you balance 42 heroes to all have equally amount of value?
cobalt steppe
the most fun during that grand final was Watchpoint map where it was dive
glass sleet
so is smurf the goat tank now
He’s always been
rugged quest
Bans aren’t made to stop broken heroes from being played. Bans are just another ...
Stopping broken heroes from being played every game comes with that layer of strategy?
weary talon
the most fun during that grand final was Watchpoint map where it was dive
Agree
cosmic socket
the most fun during that grand final was Watchpoint map where it was dive
fuck yes
rugged quest
Cuz ocie tweeted it. People just repeating it
have no clue what tweet you are tlaking about lol
weary talon
The goat of tank is fearless
grave python
Congrulations to Team Falcons
hybrid hollow
When did we go from “ban system in EWC was great” to “we don’t need it if the ga...
Ban system wasn't 'great' in ewc it had its issues but also the state of the game was better than it is now
jaunty scaffold
the most fun during that grand final was Watchpoint map where it was dive
these grand finals were kinda mid
ima be honest
cobalt steppe
Basically hero bans need to happen every map and you can't ban the same hero in consecutive maps.
cosmic socket
1000x better than watching mauga meta
balmy hound
Damn man
jaunty scaffold
not because of mauga meta but
balmy hound
Falcons deserved it
jaunty scaffold
you could tell falcons was FAR ahead of CR on the mauga comp
cobalt steppe
plus means teams would need to strategise when to use the mauga comp etc
split flume
goat
hybrid hollow
If bans are good or not is completely dependent on game balance
jaunty scaffold
and CR only won on dive
cosmic socket
yeah
balmy hound
Proper finally got a team where he didn’t have to carry
split flume
idk why CR just didn't try something else on any map that wasn't gib
like
why not give queen a go
hybrid hollow
bans are good when u have the most boring oppressive comp ever they're not good when multiple options are good on a map
rugged quest
When did we go from “ban system in EWC was great” to “we don’t need it if the ga...
Way to misinterpret. I said that bans arent necessary in metas that already have alot of variety but that isnt the reality of most metas = i support bans
jaunty scaffold
why not give queen a go
I'm sure they scrimmed it
split flume
try and adapt
jaunty scaffold
experimenting like that in grand finals is risky tho
weary talon
why not try pharah/ashe
What im saying, you clearly see that the mirror isnt it
hybrid hollow
like the hard meta during ewc shit was ass let's not forget
split flume
falcons went 7-0 in the mirror 😭
hybrid hollow
But bans and the map pool made it fun
cobalt steppe
its a lose-lose, run non-mirror, get destroyed, run mirror, have a 50/50 chance to still fail
weary talon
experimenting like that in grand finals is risky tho
Yeah well when you lose 6 maps on the mirror you know what will happen on the 7th map too
hybrid hollow
but if the meta wasn't bs we wouldn't need vans
glass sleet
Ban system wasn't 'great' in ewc it had its issues but also the state of the gam...
What was the issues it had?
wise orbit
ewc was the most interesting tournament of the year for me at least
jaunty scaffold
what was the meta in EWC
cobalt steppe
hero pool per round, once you play it, its locked out for the rest of the map xD
glass sleet
Way to misinterpret. I said that bans arent necessary in metas that already have...
I understand what you’re saying but I’m also saying bans aren’t a way to fix an issue, it’s an extra strategic layer
wise orbit
I thought people generally liked hero bans what happened lol
hybrid hollow
What was the issues it had?
Teams like tm, once again, and even ence at points couldn't play their comfort on the maps they wanted too and that makes the game less competitive which is worse for the viewer experience
static pond
Skill issue
split flume
stalker best echo world
wise orbit
Teams like tm, once again, and even ence at points couldn't play their comfort o...
But I think this is cool
wise orbit
I'd like to see the teams play more heroes
weary talon
stalker best echo world <:nooticing:1308631686505959454>
Speedily diffs i fear
glass sleet
Teams like tm, once again, and even ence at points couldn't play their comfort o...
Those are just skill issues. Genuinely. Especially if you have a one trick.
split flume
Speedily diffs i fear
wait...
hybrid hollow
Ur also benefiting the teams with more money
split flume
you might be cooking
cobalt steppe
just makes watching a snoozefest.
and just proves how stupidly broken the game can be in terms of balance
hybrid hollow
If a team can't afford to sign more players for a more flexible roster with bans they just lose
glass sleet
And the way EWC made it was you get to pick your roster AFTER the ban so no one tricks getting fuked
hybrid hollow
And the way EWC made it was you get to pick your roster AFTER the ban so no one ...
Again it just benefiting the teams with more money
rugged quest
I understand what you’re saying but I’m also saying bans aren’t a way to fix an ...
I personally enjoy gimmick teams so bans arent too interesting to me outside the increased comp variety between the top teams
hybrid hollow
They can actually sign bigger rosters and players
glass sleet
If a team can't afford to sign more players for a more flexible roster with bans...
TD has 5 and they’re flexible. It’s a skill issue still. And that’s coming from a TM fan.
hybrid hollow
TD has 5 and they’re flexible. It’s a skill issue still. And that’s coming from ...
It is a skill issue with a team like td
hybrid hollow
Again nuance exist
static turret
L
hybrid hollow
A team like td can sign another player so it applies less to them
split flume
Merit can play reaper tho
can he tho 
static turret
Besides backbone
humble token
Hot take eu did better than na here
cobalt steppe
or players can learn to play more than 1 fucking character
static turret
Backbone can’t play reaper
hybrid hollow
or players can learn to play more than 1 fucking character
It's not that simple
static turret
The actual flex dps can’t play the easiest flex?
hybrid hollow
If it was everyone would be a hyper foex
jaunty scaffold
Hot take eu did better than na here
is this bait
cobalt steppe
It's not that simple
I know its not, just frustrating to watch
paper totem
What is falcons issue with their dive comp. I feel like Smurf plays well but maybe over extends a bit much
hybrid hollow
But yet there's like 4 actual hyper flex players all time
cobalt steppe
and its why we keep getting 3-0 matches, 4-0 or 4-1 grand finals
split flume
What is falcons issue with their dive comp. I feel like Smurf plays well but may...
shu is shu
static turret
and its why we keep getting 3-0 matches, 4-0 or 4-1 grand finals
This was the first 4-1 grand
What are you on
jaunty scaffold
What is falcons issue with their dive comp. I feel like Smurf plays well but may...
backline diff tbh
hybrid hollow
What is falcons issue with their dive comp. I feel like Smurf plays well but may...
shu chorong diff
weary talon
Last owl grandfinals was horseshit
glass sleet
Ban system in EWC was to target play styles not players.
hazy marsh
yeah if it was a meta where the backline could make plays cr would have done so much better
hybrid hollow
Smurf primals the backline and finds nothing junbin 1v4 primals kills one and lives
weary talon
Sigma bastion might be worse than this tbh
static turret
Didn’t Dallas go to 7
hazy marsh
and if it wasnt a dogshit meta overall
static turret
And Asia lan
cobalt steppe
This was the first 4-1 grand
4-0 and 4-1 for all intents and purposes are the same thing. An anonomly
static turret
And na lan
hazy marsh
Sigma bastion might be worse than this tbh
I enjoyed watching -23 GF much more than whatever this was
rugged quest
Ban system in EWC was to target play styles not players.
in lan tournaments where all of the top teams metaslave either way that onetrick/style argument doesnt really matter
paper totem
shu chorong diff
The antis are insane
hazy marsh
this was so unenjoyable I left before last map
static turret
All of the top matches have been close besides this one
rugged quest
in lan tournaments where all of the top teams metaslave either way that onetrick...
but in regional tournaments its a bigger issue
paper totem
this was so unenjoyable I left before last map
Thank Juno
static turret
This lan was just filled with sweeps bc eu couldn’t stop getting farmed
cobalt steppe
ultimately at the end of the day, Blizzard created this mess by having the character in the game in the first place xD
static turret
Same with na
hazy marsh
Thank Juno
the meta was ass in general tbh
weary talon
I enjoyed watching -23 GF much more than whatever this was
Nah at least this had like funny moments with 4 blossoms in one fight
static turret
Cr and falcons sweeping everyone is a given tho
rugged quest
This lan was just filled with sweeps bc eu couldn’t stop getting farmed
we had like 1 close series in the entire tournament
tm td
weary talon
23 GF was just bap window bastion nades oneshots someone
glass sleet
TM would’ve won if they had better dps
glass sleet
hybrid hollow
honestly this meta was basically GOATS 2.0
don't compare goats with this bs
humble token
is this bait
Nope eu actually got map off korean team
hybrid hollow
goats had its highs
static turret
Nope eu actually got map off korean team
Eu overall didn’t do better
humble token
honestly this was the most exciting match in stockholm
Yup
glass sleet
Gross
static turret
Eu got farmed
hybrid hollow
This comp is all lows unless proper and Lenny have blade
jaunty scaffold
I still remember that runasapi game
rugged quest
honestly this was the most exciting match in stockholm
by far lol. The only really close series
mental vine
cant wait for TF World Champion skin NEXT YEAR :)))))
jaunty scaffold
TD having 128m on runasapi, TM had 0m, only 2:30 mins left
glass sleet
Also they didn’t play reaper
humble token
Best game in the tournment
wise orbit
Nope eu actually got map off korean team
wait actually true lol
jaunty scaffold
and quartz SOMEHOW clutched it up
mental vine
Team Falcons World Champions skin is going to be LIT
static turret
Ssg got swept ence got swept nrg got swept ntmr got swept
wise orbit
koreans lost one map to tm
split flume
cr got swept
cobalt steppe
Team Falcons World Champions skin is going to be LIT
if they do one at all
static turret
And falcons
split flume
falcons lost 2 maps
weary talon
How many teams@got swept
Ntmr shock cr td ssg ence
hybrid hollow
like the best map of that series was a dive mirror and it wasn't even competitive by the end cr stomped them but it was fun bc the comp is fun
glass sleet
TM should be 4th. Let’s change the spot without telling anyone
humble token
koreans lost one map to tm
Tm is = with cr in Maps against falcons
cobalt steppe
Blizzard can't even make default legendary skins for heroes anymore
jaunty scaffold
like the best map of that series was a dive mirror and it wasn't even competitiv...
nah that gib game was boring
they full held
weary talon
Quarts was crazy this tournament
glass sleet
Blizzard can't even make default legendary skins for heroes anymore
They can but why? They don’t make money giving away 2 legendary skins away for free
hybrid hollow
nah that gib game was boring
I enjoyed most of it
glass sleet
They rather sell you the skin
hybrid hollow
The second half was definitely kinda boring tho
weary talon
Quartz has hitscan performance of the tournament
humble token
Imagine quartz on like zeta
glass sleet
The gib game was kinda boring
jaunty scaffold
Quarts was crazy this tournament
he's honorary MVP in my heart
rugged quest
How many teams@got swept
10/14 series were sweeps and only 1 of the non sweeps was actually rly close
weary talon
he's honorary MVP in my heart
Honestly same
jaunty scaffold
that runasapi game
weary talon
His ashe
glass sleet
Dallas was more fun
jaunty scaffold
was fucking generational
mental vine
if they do one at all
they will eventually as a crowdfunding bundle like the total mayhem champ skin
wise orbit
I think the gib game just looks amazing compared to the other maps because of the meta lol
humble token
Best game in the tournment
static turret
You have every hs on reaper
The flex dps players were going nutty
The brig players the entire lan we’re just ass
jaunty scaffold
quartz had a bum ass flex DPS tho
mental vine
IM WAITING FOR TEAM FALCONS 1ST OWCS WORLD CHAMPION SKIN..... Me: waiting for 365 days
jaunty scaffold
one of the reasons he lost
weary talon
Best tournament map is definitely tm vs td on runasapu
glass sleet
I think the gib game just looks amazing compared to the other maps because of th...
I enjoyed it don’t get me wrong but it’s much slower cuz of all the set ups and stuff. Also it was a completely different comps so people like having something different
static turret
Some of them
cobalt steppe
although it was lame they played on the patch prior to the mid season
static turret
Why Vega lowkey had the best brig play
static turret
4 man stun into a mauga stomp
weary talon
Vega?
rugged quest
although it was lame they played on the patch prior to the mid season
Why? Mauga wouldve been even more stronger on midseason patch
jaunty scaffold
Why Vega lowkey had the best brig play
why are we just shamelessly baiting
static turret
He had the best play
jaunty scaffold
ENCE were bums bro
static turret
He isn’t the best
wise orbit
I enjoyed it don’t get me wrong but it’s much slower cuz of all the set ups and ...
it was at least actual overwatch compared to whatever the fuck we saw on the other maps
rugged quest
I think vs ence
gapped kellex... top1 brig for sure
glass sleet
it was at least actual overwatch compared to whatever the fuck we saw on the oth...
“Actual overwatch” is wild dude
weary talon
Fielder cancelling cage with bash is more crazy
glass sleet
Bliss underrated brig
static turret
Going home early
glass sleet
But I’m biased
weary talon
Ence was coachless right
worn falcon
The way they added Majed on top
split flume
ye
worn falcon
Twitter
static turret
Nah but all lan it felt like the brig players were getting abused
humble token
https://x.com/FalconsEsport/status/1860717840744980566?t=NZME0mJklqnZNiAtT32tvg&...
Lol
rugged quest
Ence was coachless right
yes
worn falcon
Real
weary talon
And ssg had like 5 coaches 3 assistants 6 stewardesses and a private jet
static turret
lol
rugged quest
The way they added Majed on top
the true mvp
glass sleet
https://x.com/FalconsEsport/status/1860717840744980566?t=NZME0mJklqnZNiAtT32tvg&...
Hey why would they have their whole roster on there? I hate it
static turret
Ssg were the biggest disappointment
split flume
the reaper diff was crazy icl
rugged quest
Nah but all lan it felt like the brig players were getting abused
In this meta the resources and pressure are dumped on mauga and brig
split flume
reaper canyon
static turret
Seicoe the only good Ssg player
glass sleet
Someone get ksaa back on tm
glass sleet
Backbone was horrible
For someone who’s been playing reaper since last meta
rugged quest
In this meta the resources and pressure are dumped on mauga and brig
its different to the stage 4 meta where juno was the primary target
weary talon
I never bought the sudden hadi redemption arc from being a rein otp
glass sleet
Guys
weary talon
He will remain the rein guy
glass sleet
Seicoe goes to tm over lbbd7 and youbi
split flume
felt like cr were focusing the mauga but falcons were focusing the backline
hanbin/smurf soaked up a fuck ton of attention, died, while proper and stalker waltzed into the backline
static turret
If seicoe went to tm unironically that’s a 2nd place team
glass sleet
If seicoe went to tm unironically that’s a 2nd place team
…
static turret
Proper and stalker took turns shitting on that team
glass sleet
Nvm seicoe only plays echo tracer
glass sleet
I changed my mind
static turret
That’s all you need
glass sleet
I rather have naga
static turret
Echo tracer usually fit into any meta
rugged quest
I rather have naga
why
glass sleet
It’s an eu team. You need someone who plays Mei
rugged quest
nagas only GREAT hero is pharah and you already have a pharah otp
static turret
You don’t want a mei otp
static turret
Like backbone
wise orbit
nah put quartz on ence lowkey
static turret
Yikes
glass sleet
nah put quartz on ence lowkey
No please don’t
static turret
Why would he do that
jaunty scaffold
nah put quartz on ence lowkey
what is this hate
glass sleet
Keep Quartz on tm and fix tm around him
rugged quest
Naga plays both lbbd7 and youbi’s heroes and plays them very well
Youre gassing up naga way too much,
his player comp is like youbi lol
glass sleet
Youre gassing up naga way too much,
He was good. You just hating.
wise orbit
but imagine kev quartz though
rugged quest
He was good. You just hating.
im not hating he is good, just not better than seicoe
glass sleet
Ok
rugged quest
on lan he looks mediocre like youbi
glass sleet
How bout Quartz, seicoe, youbi on the same team?
rugged quest
seicoe can punch up more
weary talon
All in all fun season , the falcons and racoons rivalry was definitely awesome
rugged quest
How bout Quartz, seicoe, youbi on the same team?
thats a very good lineup for sure
glass sleet
🤝🏻
wise orbit
sad we had to end the season with this meta
jaunty scaffold
All in all fun season , the falcons and racoons rivalry was definitely awesome
what rivalry 😭 CR was shit on mauga comp
rugged quest
sad we had to end the season with this meta
thankfully next season starts in january so we dont have to wait long lol
jaunty scaffold
unless you mean like before finals
hybrid hollow
How bout Quartz, seicoe, youbi on the same team?
Get youbi off and I fw it
wise orbit
Bestola, quartz, kevster and korean backline, imagine
split flume
the total CR-Falcons record is 9-6 i think
glass sleet
Get youbi off and I fw it
But you need the Saudi players on TM
rugged quest
what rivalry 😭 CR was shit on mauga comp
he was talking about hte season as a whole, says it in his message
hybrid hollow
But you need the Saudi players on TM
Do u really tho
glass sleet
Bestola, quartz, kevster and korean backline, imagine
Tbh, I would take TVNT over Vestola
jaunty scaffold
he was talking about hte season as a whole, says it in his message
yea fair enough
finals were a roll tho
glass sleet
Do u really tho
I don’t but tm probably has the rule
wise orbit
Tbh, I would take TVNT over Vestola
lol
glass sleet
Seriously
rugged quest
Get youbi off and I fw it
youbi still has a good mei/sym hes an alright bench piece
and hes like their coach or something
wise orbit
what tank is tvnt even good at
glass sleet
He can be the backbone of tm
glass sleet
what tank is tvnt even good at
Just dva, Sigma, ram, mauga.
jaunty scaffold
what tank is tvnt even good at
he looked solid on mauga here tbh
hybrid hollow
youbi still has a good mei/sym hes an alright bench piece
Idk man his Mei was looking ass in stage 4 when he got his like 2 maps
wise orbit
Just dva, Sigma, ram, mauga.
vestola lowkey diffs him on all of them, except maybe mauga
glass sleet
TVNT looked solid since the start
glass sleet
vestola lowkey diffs him on all of them, except maybe mauga
Nah I don’t want Vestola over TVNT. He’s been looking really bad on mauga
rugged quest
Idk man his Mei was looking ass in stage 4 when he got his like 2 maps
His heropool was ass for stage 4 which is why he was benched
cosmic socket
tms biggest downside was lbbd being a bum
glass sleet
Ksaa only tank id accept over TVNT
rugged quest
Nah I don’t want Vestola over TVNT. He’s been looking really bad on mauga
ngl i dont think ves looked bad on mauga this tournemant
in stage 4 he looked bad
tho
hybrid hollow
I'm actually so in on the tvnt stock
wise orbit
ksaa i get