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i’m back wsp
Wb
Checkmate? Nah NAGA is way better than youbi alone.
checkmate can replace youbis mei sym too
yeah but if they want a top tier team
watched the news ntmr game on my school laptop while in a lesson. why is the entire team goated
a dual carry dps duo would go crazy
Naga has a crazy good genji, mei, venture, echo. He plays both LBBD7 and youbi’s heroes
Good hold ngl
Lol
love crusty
toronto verse ntmr might be the best run back ever
both teams look like they have a firm understanding of the meta
Ngl Bliss has been playing very well
Backbones tp are like my rank games
PLEASE DONT GET FULL HELD
TM PLEASE DONT THROW
If they fight at spawn doors, they’ll be be in time to have another fight at the very end, right?
Did yall see what crusty posted 😭
Bliss is liek third best main support or 4th in world
You ok?
wtf is backbone on
why is twisted actually cooking wuutttt
this teammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
LMAO
either that or ssg and flcns are frauds
why does everyone troll youbi
Us he’s toxic
he deserves it
Cuz
shitter human being
he gets unreasonably mad
he has no chill he’s just aggressive
remember when he blocked a ton of ppl for nothing
oh its over
Hadi backbone and Landon just look lost
Bro
0-2 and 1-2
They didn’t play ksaa
Tbh
1 map left
we thought they were top 3 to top 2
Idk if that woulda helped
Ksaa comes in and does good and backbone and Landon still play like ass
Ok I get backbone, and Landon are playing badly but ksaa would at least help them play a lot better.
You guys aren’t seeing all the bad plays hadi keeps going for?
it said first to 3 on the top on the official screen
We know hadi is ass
hopefully it is first to 2 tho
He genuinely looks lost
Only first round is first to 2
But there has to be a reason they aren’t playing ksaa
It’s ft3
Everything else is first to 3 now
Also hadi said that he usually plays the mauga in his interview
atleast lbbd7 is showing how disgusting of a fucking hero pharah is
He’s not friends with ssg core
So I’m guessing ksaa mauga isn’t better than hadis
This team isn’t about individual players you should know this
Lol
Tbh every team also said its kinda up in the air
Chris theory just couldn’t save them this time
was ssg the most overhyped team this tournament?
Ssg said this meta woild be good
Who ever performs better on match day wins
Yes
definitely
Yup
hmmm is it the lack of friendship or the fact that hadi has much more experience with the core and thus will more likely offer better macro, which is what matters in this meta
ntmr is my new top 3
Like majority of the teams called this meta rng
Ssg was predicted top 3 or top 2
And it kinda is
Maybe even win it all
Kings of macro my ass
Ntmr is top 2
And now they’re losing to tm
No cap
But everyone should've known ntmr was gonna be good
yes
ntmr wins and infekted gets a college degree instantly
infekted my goat
This plays similar to the orisa comp that they were crazy on which is also why we knew ENCE would be ass
Wait why is jp ow so ahead
na college kids might be cooking
Tommathan method
I forgot this was best of 3 bruh
since they put him on sym
Switched to main broadcast don’t wanna spoil for people
quartz venture? or genj
Same
backbone is the genji demon
You it’s sad when quartz is on youbi crutch pick
Oh wrth
And they’re winning
Lol
blackbone >>> bonesword
Hadi dead AGAIN
thing abt this….
nahh
bro wtf is this guy doing
Ssg going home ?
wait why are they playing hadi instead of ksaa
yeah hadi may have to be kicked
Bc apparently hadi is better at mauga
hadi looking like me on mauga
YO OWWC QUARTZ ON SYM
chris theory failing
that experience with the core dont matter if hes this ass with his micro
Yea it’s wraps
See
hes under the baseline where the macro would be more useful than ksaas solo performance
Bye bye ssg
wait have they played ksaa on mauga today
no
play reaper goat
Quartz top 1 sym?
Ksaa hasn’t played at all today
GUYS ENOUGH. LETS NOT TALK ABOUT WHY THE BEST EU TANK AINT PLAYING
he was crazy on mauga back in stage 1
Wait
ITS SAD
Quartz, Twisted Minds famous sym player!
Blackbone in the lobby winnable
And people love him too
Let me find out nrg will beat ence
nrg won
i'm confuzzled
How good do they have to be to roll on off meta picks?
Tm>ence rn
Ngl na cope aside I genuinely think Toronto or ntmr has a chance at second place only ntmr if a miracle happens tho
Wait…you just know thinking that?
eu will have their redemption arc tomorrow
The only eu team left tmmr will be tm
I love when bliss comes for the rescue for quartz
tvnt ulting his demons?
all na teams will be knocked out tomorrow
Best in the west is Toronto I fear
he does NOT have them right where he wants them
bro backbone needs to stop wasting these reaper ults
This is Cope I fear
perhaps
they won
If tm win who they play
ntmr i think
Ntmr beat ssg and tm best ssg so
Ence v NRG
The winner of NRG ence right?
I still got ntmr 3-1 tho
Nah but ssg took a map
Oh
on tm
The winner of nrg enden
Ntmr 3-2 falcons
Why did we forget how loser brackets work
Well tm wins that then
Yes BUT TM playing off meta heroes
lowkey though
So it’s harder
I haven’t slept in hoursn
wait no i think they meet toronto
Chill
Wait
I’m lost
unless toronto beats cr lol
No they meet who drops to losers
Seicoe better mauga than Hadi
Ssg win one fight and the crowd goes wild
Yeah they meet Toronto and the winner of SSG ence meets falcons or ntmr
thanks seico
because everyone want them to win
It’s fine seeing the underdogs win a fight
sorry
Vs falcons
remember when tm qualified and the fucking casters looked like “Damn…… the bad guys won…..”
they wipe ence
So funny bro
dude imagine if they didn’t have to play youbi
why does Hadi kill 2
actually imagine
Why did we let hadi kill 2?
Staggering mauga lol
backbone has swapped twice btw
like they just take the free 4v2 with ults now I have 0 map control
Just kill the fucking mauga
Tm selling
If they kill Hadi instead of staggering they cap lowk
tf
Omg
yeah
BACKBONE THE MEI ONE TRICK GOD
MEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
Like keep this guy on mei
THANK
Fuck
Seriously
Ssg pulling out there crutch picks
4 ultra vs maybe 3
And Mcd is going to his roots
Wait hadi gonna go rein
Better bash yikes
Crowds biased or cuz ssg struggling?
They don’t like tm
Ah
Youbi ego is sky rocketing and he’s not playing
ssg is a bit closer to home ig
its still european team with one swede vs saudis basically
Rip
Streets saying a god has ascended on quartz setup to help him find picks from nothing
ssg holds that just a little longer and tm would be forced into a really bad touch
Likee
Seicoe kills 5 trust
Nvm
SSG GOUNG HOME
I don't trust
YESSSSS
bye bye ssg
bye bye Hadi
WTF IS THIS TEASM
Well played TWISTED MINDS
@reef seal Ssg is NOT winning it all
Well deserved
SAUDI ON NO PING IS DIFFEREWNT
SSG is out and they didn’t even play the best EU tank. That will haunt me for the longest time
Gg
POINTING AND LAUGHING AT EU
I would be mad too they played like shit in "their" meta
Seicoe mad asf
Ong he is
Quartz insane
wow what a disappointing result for them
Bro played the best he could but his team sold
it makes ntmr seem a little less impressive
saudi on tob
GUYS
but they 2-0 with no slowing down
tm kicks youbi and signs Seicoe. Thoughts?
Someone change seicoes records and make him a us citizen so he can play for Toronto
Ngl
THE move
Ngl
why have lbbd with seico
also they need to kick mcd
That might be the play
For when he’s sick…
He's a flyer otp
sign majed after kicking youbi
They don't have a real flex dps still
They don’t need one
Tm is weird. Two weird fdps
the fact teams actually lose to a pharah/echo two trick that only plays pharah
twisted is impressive
Even quartz knows there isn't a plan he just kills shit
i mean what is going on in eu 
He’s honest
Tbf nobody is scrimm mauga pharah
Quartz deserves all the honey
Carried his team to Stockholm
Carried his team to winning this
Only other team running pharah is cr and that's only with the ball comps so far
Fuck the crowd bro. That’s not cool
beat falcons? with tvnt and mcd? keep dreaming
COPYYYYYYYY
I mean their game was 2-1
Better than most could do
They got a map
With mcd and TVNT
Playing pharah into echo is hard
He lowkey was playing insanen
both dps played insane tbf
Yea
Lbb was getting good picks and quartz was getting picks in the clutch
Like
In the last 2-3 fights quartz found someone
Immediately
Yeah dps we’re doing great but bliss, man. He kept Quartz safe
HOW ?
Lbbd7 glaze is insane
He mind controlled backbone to use no cds and die to quartz
Sparkr and KSAA should have stayed home instead of benching
tm won against smurf playing a hero that isn't monkey
why did they play hadi bru
Ksaa not playing both OWCS lans btw
as soon as hanbin walked into the lobby tm got fucked
Cuz hadi is their homie
Like wtf
Only seicoe highlights
KSAA played an important role for SSG
Nah best day. passing my driving test, tm taking a map of falcons and 3:1 ssg after losing to ssg 5 times in a row
People keep saying I’m glazing ksaa but seriously. KSAA was THE mauga player in stage one
But SSG deserved this
And he was playing mauga for ssg too
THIS. I'm not gonna change my opinion, they should have left him play.
And Sparkr.
I’m mad at ssg for not letting ksaa play in a mauga meta…. Ksaa legit loves playing mauga
Yes ! He's 1000x a better Mauga than Hadi.
You think they’re beating ence?
I'd let him play at least one map
It was his choice to play him
But I'd make sure KSAA play
Won’t the winner of nrg ence play Toronto or cr?
Whoever loses
Or are they playing ntmr falcons
No…ence plays NRG in lower.
they play ntmr or falcons im pretty sure
Ksaa doesn't make SSG better I fear
Ok
Ong Hadi isn't even the biggest issue
He does
His backline is fucking lost
He fucking does
Backbone does air off mei
Ntmr will beat falcons so quartz will have his chance
Yes but ksaa wouldn’t be making the same mistakes
KSAA has made a huge contribution to SSG
And they didn't let him play
They fucking didn't
I mean
Now it's a 2v5 instead of a 1v5
Btw ksaa hasn’t played any lans this year
Ssg backline was trolling and backbone was perma dead
YES
EU WILL HAVE THEIR REDEMPTION ARC TOMORROW
His contribution is not fixing Landon and backbone I fear
That's really sad.
Idc if it’s fixing it or not. I care that the better tank isn’t playing
ntmr gonna 3-0 tm tomorrow
Ksaa is in and Landon is still afk with bash up letting their mauga pin him for free
Like SSG sucked at the macro, sucked managing ults, and just played bad universally
for sure bro for sure
Ksaa would at least make some good plays and not int like hadi
One player isn't changing tht
yup
Oh yeah so wtf is lip?
lip is the goat in a team of other tippy top players who are peaking
Hitscan has more agency
😂
How many fights were CR gonna lose than lip stands up and wins those fights?
Lip is with 4 other top tier players
If ur backline is ass you kill their backline faster
U can't just do that on tank especially mauga
If ur team just sucks at the macro you lose
make me TM manager.
against nrg? none
No…I meant older games lol
Didn’t know falcons are in the losers bracket
what
Lol
HOW DOES THIS PRODUCTION KEEP GETTING SHIT WRONG
it's comical atp
wdym
production off the MCD weed
nowhere does it say that falcons is in lb what
it just shows falcons' game from today
which was the first match of the tourney
ssg didn't bootcamp right?
They did
Everyone did
Even tm I think
Ence did too they just didn't change facilities bc they're alr in eu
I caught up with Hadi, tank player for Spacestation Gaming, about the final stage of OWCS, the current meta and their preparation for Stockholm.
00:00 Bootcamps
01:10 Stage 4
02:29 KSAA
03:46 Current meta
05:50 Hitscan currently
06:32 Seicoe Echo
07:37 Mauga
08:16 Macro metas
09:14 LAN Environment
09:39 NTMR & Falcons
11:27 Korean teams
13:00 R...
ence 3-0
they didnt
really?
yea
nope
💀💀
what the fuck

Ok nvm yeah ssg should've been predicted to be ass
Yes
why didn't they bootcamp
it just struck me because i remember he said that in the commanderx interview
Wdym didn’t bootcamp?
i thought it was very weird
Now this is peak
wdym what do i mean
They’re in EU already
Kevster rebooting as we speak back to his prime
Wdym
every other team goes hard into scrimming and ssg just... doesn't
Didn’t scrim at all?
they didn't bootcamp bro
Yeah everyone else was double triple blocking at the camp
They’re in EU ofc they scrimmed
If they didn't bootcamp they probably did less scrims
they scrimmed but htey didn't bootcamp
Did tm scrim ?
ntmr been triple blocking for like 3 months lol
No
And it's paying off
I mean TM didn’t bootcamp
ye
everyone scrimmed not everyone bootcamped
Actually Infekted is like quad blocking bro has collegiate too
infekted got that dawg in him
That was for orisa meta
YES
they said they still eere
They took a break after stage 4 and went into hard scrimming
They were the only team
Infekted said both
4 days
I MEANT AND 😭
I can’t type
But yes you’re right. In EU, they’ve been double and triple with some teams
Not all tho
I don’t think NTMR scrimmed TM
No nvm
Idc if nrg lose Toronto and ntmr are in ub
Falcons didn’t
tm is going home tomorrow against toronto
because the cat's outta the bag
and mer1t is kinda good at hitscan
bro fuck this meta
Being a SSG fan is hard atm
this shit blows
I've been told that Hadi is a better Mauga than KSAA is wtf
ban mauga from owcs
Is he ?
Quartz posted a tweet saying he’s the best to ever do it
Tm playing cr or Toronto tmmr
And honestly
man quartz lost the widow mirror to stalker
They might lose
bro needs to pipe down
Bro I genuinely think on a macro level ksaas mauga just isn't tht much better
Like it really isn't
I fear tm journey end at Toronto
U could put junbin on ssg they highkey still lose
toronto will probably run the hitscan/genji dps line up like falcons did
i don't get why teams just swap and leave the enemy widow uncontested as soon as they get diffed
and counter tm's shenanigans
So that means nrg or ence plays ntmr or falcons
It's not like they lost bc "oh hadi is shit" they lost bc ssg as a team was shit
Not seicoe but yea
landon 
Seicoe copied mauga and did hadis job for him
Yeah bro was on quartz timing
sure but I think ksaa would have been better still
I was complaining because I can't go to Stockholm
No
Backbone had 3 4k ults and disappeared after that
Really no
But I'm actually glad I didn't go there
actually?
Like it's so disappointing
And why ?
backbone got three 4k's because he ulted inside ray and cage LOL
Sure he feeds a little less but fights were being lost before Hadi even had the chance to feed
Exactly
He only got 4ks when they used 4 ults
Realistically seicoe was doing it all
I agree they lose either way, but do you think ksaa would have brought more or less value to the team
Ult eco was horrible they were blowing 4 ults when the fight was already won with cage, backline is permanently dead, backbone is very inconsistent on reaper
And they played the neutral horribly and a decent part of tht does fall on Hadi
Damn near the same
Why is my flex dps doing worse than the hs players on reaper
backbone is a mei one trick
I guess we'll never know :p
Ksaas mauga looked good when tm had the best dps meta possible for them
I thought tm was gonna fraud out and not win anything but I’m genuinely surprised
tm is the most unpredictable team ever
I didn’t think Mcd was gonna play some real ow
they will either lose to 16th seed or be the best in eu
Is it crazy to expect an nrg victory
Tbh idk
expect is crazy
Bc their only match is vs cr
yes
First game doesn't even count half the teams get shitted on like tht
maybe they were just crazy unlucky but man did they suck in stage 4
I need to see the first map
i didnt watch the nrg game today
Only thing is against NRG ence is in a more comfortable spot bc they don't have to force mauga mirros
Wait
Kendrick dropped???
they will play td in next lowerbracket matchup
Man ong fuck overwatch new Kendrick album hit the streets
We?
Woah woah
Can we chill
man the ence song is a bit goofy
I'm just a chill guy, I can listen to Kendrick on my own time and be chill about it
Does this mean ssg is out
yes
Yeah
😭
Reddit team defeated
hahaah thats crazy
Backbone solidifies himself as a mei otp
Ngl I got this random brand of noodles tht I couldn't read bc it was in Japanese and ts is like extremely spicy
Hadi preforms and the crowd is silent
Landon forgot who he was
Funny Astro losing hair
Landon couldn't play bap and was confused
Seicoe as we speak is packing his bags
He stressing tryna remember the fusion days
“Where’s my lamp?!?!”
twisted minds is not eu though what
ence 3-0
tommathan co stream diff we alr in the map
I’m on main
EU/EMEA same thing in ow
All of emea gets called eu
yea
wait just play dva
Like u don't gotta force mauga
Kevster get value with ult challenge
i feel like eu teams are lazy
This queen comp
ence have no coach and ssg didnt even bootcamp
Is interesting
Can u guys tap in to that Japanese brodcast so I don't spoil
Oh
Damn what happened SSG
Ass
They got spanked
belt 2 ass
Why didn’t ksaa sub in and get his revenge
Back to back
ksaa can't save that team I fear
Idk
Tuff
why tree look like that
Lowkey go gib and sub in ksaa for dva
maybe he dont wanna play against his friends
Kellan is actually ass wtf
TM didn’t even play youbi
Did kellan miss his ult
Shame
Dude eu is cookrd
Get this man out of the game
Attack hits 5 there
Are they worse than NA?
Nah why Kellan getting boosted
Beats all na team
Now why are we lying
Tree would've started on nrg if m80 didn't throw a bag at him when he turned 17
i mean it can happen
m80 disbanded that’s why he and UV joined nrg
like its not that crazy
he was alr on students of the game before they got signed he just couldn't play owcs
tm has played very good
Yeah but he was only on m80 in the first place bc they threw money at him when he turned 17 so he didn't stay on sog/shock
What a funny org
he was on sog for faceit so was coluge , then they played for m80 for Ewc i think
yeah m80 threw the last of their budget which is funny
anything is winnable in this skilless meta
They knew they weren't winning too
Nrg are playing off meta
wait rly
Yea
i need to watch the stream
so we’re Tm it seems to be working tbh
off meta is looking good
their ult economy is insane
They doubted me chat but it's looking close
Why is kellex dead so much
unc is washed
Shitty brig play around the board today
Besides Vega
Why are all the brig players today playing like ass
Shockingly
Bro stepped up
it’s cus he’s not on lucio
damn these scissors copy are also huge
Lowkey tree threw
you can really see how nrg has matured tbh compared to dallas
Wait
wsit
Wait
Kellex on Vega watch
LOL
nah scissors lowk the goat of this series
is it still crazy?
KELLAN CARRY TOO THO
Bro why is ence on mauga
LOL
like real shit you don't need to play mauga here the other team sucks at just like you and don't wanna play it
Bro
What is going on in eu
This is the one team that isn't gonna force mauga on them and they still wanna run it
whole of eu is in lower bracket
kinda crazy
Ntm on ENCE tho they're coachless
I’m watching Tommathan
let me see
Goatathan
thanks man
Na stream is like 45 seconds behind
Crazy tht PGE probably listening to that new kdot rn
i lowkey think eu has gone lazy
Unironically
why is ssg and ence on mauga bro just play the eu classic
this meta lowk ass for eu tho
ignore the meta
Is it tho
Agree
Apparently this was eu meta
I dont think is meta
just play some ram sigma
Like jq just counters
still feels like they’re forcing mauga
No way
Let me find out
Ong lemme find out
WHY THE FUCK IS PGE IN LMAOOOO
It's gonna be everywhere
wait true EU is fraud without hero bans
he’ll he on wid maybe
wait do you guys feel it? This energy surging.......
ence putting pge in so they win LOL
kai diff incoming
That pulse of aura
The hive mind
i low-key would prefer tree scissors still
Are we lying
Shhhhh
pge isn't bad tho
Please tell me we aren’t lying
but hitscan is sooo buns rn unless ur name is quarts
Aura is disappearing
kai ashe tho
wait streets saying PGE is on trees setup they just didn't change accounts
bro where are yall watching
maybe they needed the dark lord
i have reloaded 3 times
dude my internet just cut out too LOL
and im like 2 min behind
Japanese stream or tommathan
japan stream
ty
is he actually?
no
where’s the facecams
is there no facecamss on japan steam?
nvm
looking at tree as we speak lmao
hello?
tree the new lip lowk
Wait scissors on lan was the real demon
scissors leon cooking too iwl
No more jitternet
wasted copy lowkey
aura copy
nah his copy’s have been killer tho for the most part
Uh
Did uv fat finger
Kellan goat
Wait Kellan the felon and scissors the uh idk
nah why is scissors the lan demon
No way they held point
this is so scrappy
He's not on 24/7 packet loss and 100ms any more
still better than youbi on sym
nrg castle been holding him back
nah scissors and tree lowkey goat
what the fuck
feels like i’m watching Tm stage 1 rn
They said NRG winning was crazy??
Like why dont we see the vision
Look at my goats
na is so back
NAHHHH WHAT THE FUCK LOLL
Bro
this is the shock
This day will be remembered with my eventual wedding day
i’m actually crying bro
look at trees smile
When I'm dying I'm gonna tell my grandkids the story of na's revival and eu's downfall
all of na tbh
why is my hitscan player on Cree guys
mauga meta grabbed eu
tree widow it’s over
check their bets
Thing is ence not even losing to a mauga
can someone make sure vega isn’t on kellex’s account rn?
They’re losing to kellan
And they said ewc was a fluke EU is fraud without the bans I fear
why is eu so ass at this meta
eu fell off
flip the map smart play
cus during mauga meta NA had like 50/50 mauga most played on top 50
eu had like 20
😭
nvm i think it might be over
Wait ence woke up
the full hold
Wait
tree just needs to play somber
Nrg getting fuller held
WTF IS HAPPENING
TS IS SO UNWATCHABLE
wait
Ence threw
and they have somber and queen ult
Now you don't have ults for the next corner
and now the chinese strats
Wtf
please land this rampage
They don’t have a coach and it’s showing ngl
wtf is happening
Are we in China?
rak also been playing insane
Kellan was itching to pull that ult
THEY SAID WHAT WAS CRAZY??
