I’m pretty sure when they ask best hs, they mean best performing hs
#esports-discussion
glass sleet
reef seal
I’m pretty sure when they ask best hs, they mean best performing hs
oh I know but ppl are gonna pick their favorites
glass sleet
oh I know but ppl are gonna pick their favorites
Yeah I’m thinking people would pick PGE cuz he’s a streamer
torn portal
and part of LFO right
weak frost
static pond
Twitter
worn falcon
Twitter
glass sleet
and part of LFO right
Wtf is that?
quasi umbra
man
glass sleet
https://x.com/lyar_ow/status/1846669260032299143
I love his negative tho. It’s very refreshing and helps keep a good mindset.
glass sleet
https://x.com/owcesports/status/1846669179044380796?s=46
What support does TSM want from blizz? Genuinely asking.
paper totem
if I pick it on skill im picking ppl like lip
Gotta pick my king seeker for N.A.
Seeker and dark lord the true end game bosses
torn portal
https://x.com/onceagainow/status/1846642497310937521?s=46
happy birthday guxue
torn portal
Wtf is that?
team from stage one called looking for org
had seeker and some others i frontal
forgot
sullen berry
https://x.com/lyar_ow/status/1846669260032299143
We're really talking like this is the first offseason in esports ever.
TSM has been in the red ever since the FTX deal three years ago blew up in their faces and the gaming compound is still being financed
sullen berry
Are people forgetting the OWL offseason was about cleaning house, keeping the costs low and more importantly giving the option for free agency or withholding free agency for high value players.
TSM either couldn't see a good reason to keep them or had no plans to retain their OWCS roster while OWCS updates arent happening in the offseason.
hybrid hollow
Tbf I thought we all lowkey understood that tsm was only pitching in for ewc
glass sleet
Toronto picks up rokit
Yeah cuz sugarfree is soooo bad on tracer
hybrid hollow
They signed a roster for ewc on half s year minimums and then left
It's not like tsm cared about the roster especially when they have bigger issues going on as a brand/org
hybrid hollow
Yeah cuz sugarfree is soooo bad on tracer
No for double flex duh
Bc yk who is bad on tracer
Fucking merit
Keep that guy on hs
hybrid hollow
But he won’t see playtime
I fear a silver player might see playtime over merit in a double flex meta
glass sleet
Isn’t rokit a one trick?
hybrid hollow
He was
glass sleet
Was?
hybrid hollow
He got better on other heros tho
glass sleet
Sorry I haven’t seen him play in awhile
hybrid hollow
He was a tracer otp then learned other heros
glass sleet
Wasn’t he in TSM?
hybrid hollow
Yeah
glass sleet
Vision and K1ng over him
glass sleet
But that’s what happened
hybrid hollow
bc tsm is stupid
glass sleet
I see
hybrid hollow
They had one of the best tracer players in na and just said fuck tht guy
glass sleet
Rokit was the second best tracer
glass sleet
They had one of the best tracer players in na and just said fuck tht guy
Tracer wasn’t really meta. People only played her for comfort
Koreans never played tracer outside of the dive maps
glass sleet
Lol that’s a good point
glass sleet
And plus he's just better than king
On all heroes? Was K1ng actually bad?
hybrid hollow
On all heroes? Was K1ng actually bad?
probably idk tbh I didn't watch all of tsm games like tht
I just know they underperformed as a team
glass sleet
I just know they underperformed as a team
Yeah same. Tbh I feel bad for them
hybrid hollow
Rokits Mei is actually pretty good tho
glass sleet
Wish they did well.
Ow needs to do something to get more orgs interested. Only teams winning are staying
static turret
These orgs come@and go
They try to build a team
Realize the money invested isn’t worth
And then leave
glass sleet
Orgs gotta have content creators
Btw the crowdfunding skins are 3 right? And 2 of them are recolors?
Crowdfunding skins should always be for the most popular heroes and they need to look amazing. That way both benefit heavily
static turret
What are they?
hybrid hollow
Mei tracer junkrat
static turret
Hmm
hybrid hollow
The junk one is ass
The tracer is her normal graffiti skins but recolored and the Mei one is new
hybrid hollow
Ofc not it's a stupid move
glass sleet
Them and their “let’s give our shit skin” attitude
hybrid hollow
You already handed the controls over to Saudi you just provide a prize pool for the two lans you host and keep it pushing
static turret
Owl towards the end prob made them lose a lot of money
hybrid hollow
It's not like putting money into ow esports is actually a good idea
glass sleet
They’re making the money crowdfunded. Which means they only make money
glass sleet
It depends on how much they make
I think the shit hanzo skin made 50k$
IT WAS SHIT
no wonder
hybrid hollow
Ik blizzard probably puts a set amount and then crowd fund the rest
glass sleet
They added 200k on top of the 50k
But if the skin was actually amazing and it actually had enough time for people to buy, it would make way more
static turret
I think this one could be like 300-350k
hybrid hollow
The crowd funding would make more if they just yk upped the percentage owcs gets
glass sleet
Btw the hanzo skin was only out for a very short time.
glass sleet
The crowd funding would make more if they just yk upped the percentage owcs gets
Nah, they’re too greedy. They won’t even make it 30%
So they might as well make it a good skin and they’d make more money
static turret
Thought they said all of the earnings ?
glass sleet
They definitely have the attitude of “we’ll keep our best skins and sell them separately later on for 100%”
Cuz they don’t care about esports
hybrid hollow
They have no reason to tho
I'll also be penny pinching when it comes to putting money into this esport
it's like purposely dropping ur money down the drain
static turret
And owcs wasn’t exactly meant to be as big as owl
glass sleet
Yes but doesn’t mean they can’t support it while making money
They just chose to make money without supporting it
hybrid hollow
I mean when the ppl you handed it to are hosting million dollar tournaments
I wouldn't either
They clearly got ts handled
static turret
Im@sure the prize pool will go up as owcs goes on
hybrid hollow
Why does my autocorrect full on change my sentences
glass sleet
Hopefully
static turret
Bc it’s gaining some popularity
glass sleet
Why does my autocorrect full on change my sentences
It doesn’t believe you
stiff crystal
Didn’t the ow esports get canceled like last year or did I hallucinate that
static turret
But like before I’m sure they were deeply into the negs
glass sleet
Bc it’s gaining some popularity
They fucked up with the release date of the hanzo skin as well. Hopefully they don’t do that again. They need to release skins out for enough time
static turret
Each org had their own stadıum+ player salary’s + prize pools
glass sleet
OWWC was crowdfunded as well and they made 2 million dollars
hybrid hollow
Didn’t the ow esports get canceled like last year or did I hallucinate that
Yeah owl ended
glass sleet
Esports is gonna be part of the Olympics bro
hybrid hollow
Esports is gonna be part of the Olympics bro
and ow is not in that conversation 🔥
stiff crystal
I also remember there being an ow competition and the grand prize was like 50 dollars of in game stuff lol
glass sleet
static turret
I also remember there being an ow competition and the grand prize was like 50 do...
Creator cup
stiff crystal
Creator cup
How generous of them
static turret
It was like 80 mythic prisims
glass sleet
I also remember there being an ow competition and the grand prize was like 50 do...
Oh that’s just the community tournament
glass sleet
Again
Ow needs to have an org store TO MAKE MONEY
Owl skins are so fucking popular aren’t they? Make that shit with new orgs
It ain’t that hard to make epic skins
static turret
They prob plan to do that
static turret
Give the orgs that are known or make finals often
glass sleet
I want ow esports to succeed i really do
static turret
Toronto nrg already have skins tho
hybrid hollow
Time to open ow while starving
glass sleet
Give the orgs that are known or make finals often
Yeah. Contract with the big orgs that wanna stay.
hybrid hollow
Give the orgs that are known or make finals often
Crazy racoons skins would go crazy
The black and red color scheme has potential
hybrid hollow
If anything give us player skins back I want a Stalker tracer or something
Junbin ball
glass sleet
SSG skins
static turret
Junbin ball skin might go hard
glass sleet
If anything give us player skins back I want a Stalker tracer or something
Those take time but why not
glass sleet
Junbin ball skin might go hard
WILL GO HARD
static turret
Any new colors will fund owcs
Maybe we get some decent prize pools
But I don’t think that’s gonna help player quality
Maybe in kr
But na and eu just has no players I fear
Specifically na
glass sleet
It’s just falcons and raccoon that are way better than the rest. The rest of Korean teams are same level as other region top teams
glass sleet
NA can make one really strong team
static turret
The best na team full of actual na players is still kinda mid
Infekted sugarfree seeker Vega rupal
That’s a solid 3/4th seed kr team
glass sleet
That’s mid?
Infekted is really good. I’m sure he’ll only get better as he continues. This is his first year. Rupal is owl level. Dude won owl wdym? Sugarfree or Tr33 they’re both great! NA’s weakest role is by far HS
Next USA team gonna be really strong.
hybrid hollow
NAs best team is mid internationally
Well maybe not mid
But it's always gonna be under korea
Also how many of our best players are Canadian
hybrid hollow
It may only be seeker actually off the top of my head
Lowkey team USA could go crazy
Way better than last year's at least
glass sleet
But it's always gonna be under korea
Hear me out. We get Seeker, Tr33/sugarfree, infekted, Vega/Rak, and Rupal.
mortal cipher
Are people forgetting the OWL offseason was about cleaning house, keeping the co...
TSM has been leaving ESports so its not shocking if TSM left League LCS then OW is obv to happen
spring veldt
Making an ow2comp team | need 4 have one dps atm. dm if interested.
torn portal
https://x.com/ow_esports/status/1846592161657270645?s=46 remember to vote in the primaries
Twitter
this is for regional MVP’s and rolestars
vote lenny as NA mvp
btw
viscid hatch
vote lenny as NA mvp
Duh
chilly field
robust patio
well any a tier korean tank for sure
weary scarab
well any a tier korean tank for sure
name a better a tier korean sigma, ram diva
shy ravine
Is it still 50 wins for top 500 or did they change it to 25?
hybrid hollow
name a better a tier korean sigma, ram diva
Hanbin
someone maybe
There's definitely options
static pond
What support does TSM want from blizz? Genuinely asking.
Idk maybe more way to
Help the teams tbh they should
Just make a owcs shop to support teams but orgs need to comment for each year since they have skins
static pond
I mean did you see the neon bundle for owcs
sullen berry
Getting muted is even crazier dawg @grim folio
hybrid hollow
ornate aurora
https://tenor.com/view/lonely-depressed-sad-gif-5990129
weary talon
Bro it’s tough to vote for emea mvp
I don’t really see a standout
Sauna? He really carried but not really since the beginning
Vestola yeah maybe vestola but hes been on a downhill these fast weeks
I went for vestola but like maybe funnyastro is also equally good?
Na is easy tho
Everyone is mediocre except lenny and someone
glass sleet
Idk maybe more way to
Help the teams tbh they should
Just make a owcs shop to su...
Commit?
Yes that’s I’ve asking for that since OWCS started.
static pond
Yes that’s I’ve asking for that since OWCS started.
Did you see the new owcs skins lmao there doing the bare minimum
rugged quest
What support does TSM want from blizz? Genuinely asking.
By support he means any information about next year.
glass sleet
By support he means any information about next year.
And by information they want to know if they’ll have a shop for orgs?
glass sleet
Did you see the new owcs skins lmao there doing the bare minimum
For the crowdfunding? Yeah two of them are just recolors. They don’t care about esports. They can actually use a top tier skin and still make a shit ton of money while also supporting esports but they don’t give a fuk
rugged quest
And by information they want to know if they’ll have a shop for orgs?
They werent told anything in general
as to where they are taking the esport
and thats not a good message for organizations of course
glass sleet
They werent told anything in general
Idk what they could tell them other than “we’re not dead”
rugged quest
Idk what they could tell them other than “we’re not dead”
wdym
they could tell what they are planning for next year
and tsm left because the organizers either 1. Dont have anything planned yet or 2. Refuse to communicate what they have planned
and tsm thinks thats too big of a jump in the dark
this probably includes things like support programs, formats, prizepools and such
glass sleet
I see. Thanks for explaining it.
deft wolf
The chengdu hunters’ last win was more recent than vegas’
stray quarry
Is seeker Canadian
yea
torn portal
The chengdu hunters’ last win was more recent than vegas’
Yep! #ChengduIt
viscid hatch
Yep! #ChengduIt
God damn
sullen berry
blazing tundra
cansei
torn portal
In this meta, i’d say NTMR has the chance to upset even SSG
Twisted minds would be close on hitscan dominated maps but every other map wouldn’t be even close
NTMR sweeps TM
torn portal
sombra was nerfed wait
twisted wins one map on their losers pick of junkertown and then lose every subsequent map
zeruhh actually knows how to play flying heroes so they can challenge lbbd
and quartz can’t carry 3 maps
weary scarab
twisted wins one map on their losers pick of junkertown and then lose every subs...
they almost win 2 maps of ssg with youbi in while they had practised with lbbd7 pharah for 2 weeks. actual no preparations and still almost squared ssg
and dont forget the map they won they full capped while full holding ssg first point
i dont think ntmr has a single handely better player then any tm
weary scarab
bro nerf topdragon
rugged quest
i dont think ntmr has a single handely better player then any tm
infekted is definitely better than tvnt
and tm just got packed twice in saudi e league by topdragon and t3 players
hybrid hollow
i dont think ntmr has a single handely better player then any tm
Zeruhh is better than both their flex dps and Infekted is better than tvnt
only good players on tm are quartz and bliss
weary scarab
Zeruhh is better than both their flex dps and Infekted is better than tvnt
zeruuhh better then lbdd7? no way
the only arguable one is infekted
for tvnt
tm support line is better
tm dps is better
and their tank depends on the meta
hybrid hollow
zeruuhh better then lbdd7? no way
Tell lbbd7 get off pharah and see what happens
weary scarab
Tell lbbd7 get off pharah and see what happens
hell just carry on echo then 😂
hybrid hollow
Even if he was the best pharah in the world (which he isn't) a two trick flex dps is at best mid tier
like why is my flex dps not flexible
hybrid hollow
tm support line is better
And MCD is ass
weary scarab
And MCD is ass
whats even the ntmr support line
hybrid hollow
mcd is only good when Chinese players are on the other team
hybrid hollow
whats even the ntmr support line
cjay admiral and zss on the bench
stray quarry
mcd is only good when Chinese players are on the other team
2x buff against dps player China
hazy marsh
yeah
sullen berry
2x buff against dps player China
Jinmu rocket barrage acc on MCD goes up like 300%
Jimmy approves this message
stray quarry
sullen berry
diid i gaslight myself into thinking that was a command
You did and we don't have one, ask the mods if we can make it a command if you have an embed link
gritty glacier
ssg lost to every korean team they faced so far lmao
robust patio
“stomped” is a strong word
they might lose but im sure they will never be score stomped
reef seal
unfortunately the player quality is too vast, it would be nice seeing an NA or EU team winning an s tier LAN but won’t happen
curious to see which team goes far besides cr/falcons tho
need the pge mvp run 🙏
glass sleet
like why is my flex dps not flexible
Seriously
glass sleet
bro nerf topdragon
Wait, this was today??
torn portal
Even if he was the best pharah in the world (which he isn't) a two trick flex dp...
Honestly NTMR will 1000% beat twisted minds
NTMR legit has a chance to take at least a map off ssg i rate them crazy high
and against twisted they have zeruhh (capable of pharah as well) and seeker (will actually swap widow)
weary scarab
NTMR legit has a chance to take at least a map off ssg i rate them crazy high
damn thats crazy high
taking a map of ssg
weary scarab
the na boys just dont have the hunger
torn portal
nah
hybrid hollow
Ntmr could definitely go 5 maps with ssg it's not that crazy especially with orisa genji
hybrid hollow
the na boys just dont have the hunger
Ntmr might be the hungriest team in the region
torn portal
they FOUGHT for 2nd and if lenny didn’t flash his watch and blind seeker into shooting deflect
ntmr would be the top of na
ntmr is the hungriest team in stockholm
hybrid hollow
they FOUGHT for 2nd and if lenny didn’t flash his watch and blind seeker into sh...
It's crazy bc looking at seekers pov he couldn't even see the deflect on his screen
Shit was lowkey not his fault
weary scarab
the na bias is haunting me
hybrid hollow
The max fov isn't enough for deadeye
torn portal
It's crazy bc looking at seekers pov he couldn't even see the deflect on his scr...
Perfect parry from Kamden Hijada
weary scarab
remember that nrg shock beat toronto
torn portal
the na bias is haunting me
wait who got 2nd in ewc? wait who nearly beat the 2nd place team at ewc?
weary scarab
almost beating toronto is nto that big of a deal
weary scarab
wait who got 2nd in ewc? wait who nearly beat the 2nd place team at ewc?
nrg shock beat the second team in ewc
look at them now
hybrid hollow
nrg shock beat the second team in ewc
Yeah they got a meta they could actually play
torn portal
nrg shock beat the second team in ewc
Okay but they have kellan and attack on orisa
LOL
weary scarab
that whole region is full of a bunch of trollers
torn portal
Unlucky
hybrid hollow
PGE doesn't have enough aura to carry
torn portal
Like
hybrid hollow
We need a true sig dva meta for nrg
weary scarab
i dont think an na team is beating any eu team in stockholm tbh
hybrid hollow
Anything to keep Kellan on the bench and attack off orisa
hybrid hollow
i dont think an na team is beating any eu team in stockholm tbh
Tm gets beat by every team
weary scarab
Tm gets beat by every team
noway
hybrid hollow
Another 8th place performance
weary scarab
Another 8th place performance
tm lan buff just wait
hybrid hollow
Even in this meta they're reliant on quartz killing everything or teams not having an answer for the pharah
hybrid hollow
tm lan buff just wait
They unironically get worse at lan
hybrid hollow
Can't think of a real high level lan they've performed well at
hybrid hollow
High level
weary scarab
i guess world cup isnt high level
hybrid hollow
It isn't lol
weary scarab
just pure copium
hybrid hollow
rosters are literally troll
weary scarab
everyone back then was looking at koreas roster like it was nighmare
both china and korea roster was
stacked af
hybrid hollow
everyone back then was looking at koreas roster like it was nighmare
That wasn't even the best team Korea could've had
Rush was just biased and picked his players
weary scarab
That wasn't even the best team Korea could've had
it was one of them especially for the flexability
hybrid hollow
flexibility????
weary scarab
yes lol
sparkle lip for the double flex
fearless
for the dive heroes
hanbin for the sigma comp
who is one of the best sigmas
and chiyo fielder
how is that not a flexible team lmfao
hazy marsh
sparkle was simply outclassed by that point in his career by other korean fdps
torn portal
that whole region is full of a bunch of trollers
They have a chance we have to see it
hybrid hollow
Lips tracer was ass back then and sparkle was shit and as a roster this team wasnt that flexible honestly
did finn even play
It would be flexible in 6v6 maybe
torn portal
if they meta shifts to dive then ntmr will beat ssg (unless dva is still broken)
weary scarab
Lips tracer was ass back then and sparkle was shit and as a roster this team was...
this is still a nighmare roster to play against especially when saudi arabia had to play with a dps on support and a mercy one trick on lucio while their dps player got suspended
torn portal
Probably ksaa will carry actually idk
hazy marsh
Lips tracer was ass back then and sparkle was shit and as a roster this team was...
they should have had 3 dps, take sparkle out and get a better fdps, put in proper instead of finn and it's looking much better no?
torn portal
SSG is still amazing i just know the college kids have what it takes
hybrid hollow
they should have had 3 dps, take sparkle out and get a better fdps, put in prope...
Yeah but lip and proper don't wanna play together + rush just wanted to pick up his players
hybrid hollow
Still tho most ppl agree that world cup isn't that high level of a tournament nowadays
torn portal
there’s no team at stolkholm i think deserves to lose any match except twisted minds and any korean team against a non korean team (quartz i love you but you are on a team with frauds)
hybrid hollow
lip and proper dont wanna play together?
there's been chatter about them not being that fond of each other for years
hybrid hollow
World cup isnt as competitive bc EMEA is split into countries as well
weary scarab
Still tho most ppl agree that world cup isn't that high level of a tournament no...
it is officially an s tier tourney by liquepdia lol. it is higher ranked then all owcs other than stockholm finals
hybrid hollow
it is officially an s tier tourney by liquepdia lol. it is higher ranked then al...
I fear my eyes and common sense are more reliable than that
hybrid hollow
None of the top emea teams can exist bc they're all from different countries and USA were trolling
No world cup has ever been more competitive than something like an owl stage
weary scarab
all the top teams scrimmed a shitton fo the tourney, including usa
they just got hard stomped
cuz na no competitive drive
hybrid hollow
all the top teams scrimmed a shitton fo the tourney, including usa
team was not scrimming genuinely they all came out and said this
Like every player on that roster has said the team was just fw around especially after aspire got exposed
2023 world cup just wasn't that competitive man idk what to tell u
Grand finals was nice don't get me wrong it was a good match
Saudi deserved the win and they shouldn't be discredited for it but the core of that team just hasn't showed us why they should be a real threat at Stockholm since
hazy marsh
i wonder how a team could be failing like that
weary scarab
i wonder how a team could be failing like that
their whole team got fucked over basically
hazy marsh
surely its not due to having a player on there that literally jeopardizes their season by getting half the team kicked
weary scarab
they havent had any stage without roster issues since after stage 1
weary scarab
They're not having roster issues now
vigilante health issues
forced to put mcd in team
massive downgrade
hazy marsh
oh yeah and mcd too
hybrid hollow
Even if he wasn't I don't think vigi being healthy makes that team any better
weary scarab
vigis ana is just way better
and it isnt just aboutt hat
constantly changing people
in your roster
is gonna fuck shit up
hazy marsh
yes
once again, they kick youbi as soon as the problems show up instead of ksaa, and voila, they'd have done much better the whole year
hybrid hollow
is gonna fuck shit up
That is true but aye they wanna keep youbi and lost the best tank in eu
hazy marsh
i dont understand what the orgs management is thinking
hybrid hollow
And the backline thing is just unfortunate
weary scarab
tm has the money to get an insane flex dps too
hybrid hollow
Also most of twisted minds game plan after ksaa left is just leave it to quartz
hybrid hollow
tm has the money to get an insane flex dps too
But nobody wants to play with the org
weary scarab
idk why they dont invest in a koreana and get an eu or saudi support instead
weary scarab
But nobody wants to play with the org
oh they do
tm one of the orgs who actually pays
hybrid hollow
Only players who've went to tm are players who had no other options
hybrid hollow
tm one of the orgs who actually pays
The money doesn't matter they just don't wanna play next to tvnt and youbi genuinely
I promise you that's what it is
weary scarab
tm and falcons have good pay salaries
hybrid hollow
there's no way they haven't tried to get checkmate or viper
But why would either of them want to play on tm genuinely
weary scarab
there's no way they haven't tried to get checkmate or viper
they coudlnt after stage 2
they would not qual
cuz their circuit points would be fucked up
otherwise they would get a new flex dps directly i almost feel like
hybrid hollow
they would not qual
Qualifying to be the bottom team tho?
Maybe it's just the money
The only team they're better than as a team is nrg other than that they have to pray quartz is on crack
weary scarab
i actually think they can win over the eu and na teams
weary scarab
ssg isbeatable
hybrid hollow
not ntmr
hybrid hollow
ssg isbeatable
idk about that one
weary scarab
idk about that one
they have a pretty good chance with backbone in
decent advantage
hybrid hollow
Ehh
hazy marsh
what are you saying
weary scarab
like i dont think ssg is that good
hybrid hollow
If backbone is even in depends on the map pool
weary scarab
ence is more compact
hybrid hollow
like i dont think ssg is that good
They're the best eu team in this meta is not even a question
They have the best backline in the region, Hadi can actually play orisa, mei is good so backbone is already a net buff, and sparkr is probably the best hitscan tracer in eu so if they need him to flex to it mid map they can
weary scarab
They have the best backline in the region, Hadi can actually play orisa, mei is ...
mei isnt good into pharah
and mei isnt good on open maps
ence
hybrid hollow
and mei isnt good on open maps
When mei isn't good they just put in seicoe
And ENCE sucks in this meta
well not sucks
But they got 4-0d by ssg
weary scarab
you cnt say that a team is th ebest eu team at this comp no question if they had to fight through the lower bracke
hybrid hollow
If they won the region
reef seal
? they won grand finals
weary scarab
I think I can say tht
after almost losing 2 maps to youbi
hybrid hollow
after almost losing 2 maps to youbi
They lost one map to quartz
weary scarab
only one set of fans actually likes that team 💀
of course cuz no one likes saudi teams
it just is like that
hazy marsh
of course cuz no one likes saudi teams
no one likes youbi
reef seal
real ^
hazy marsh
or the org that decides to keep him over the best tank in the region
its not saudi hate, it's piece of shit hate
to a specific player
hybrid hollow
Youbi is unlikeable and most tm fans tend to be delusional that's why nobody likes them
hazy marsh
and the people who enable it
weary scarab
its not saudi hate, it's piece of shit hate
youbi got unlikable 4 months ago bro
everyone hated tm for ages
reef seal
Youbi is unlikeable and most tm fans tend to be delusional that's why nobody lik...
real
reef seal
everyone hated tm for ages
didn’t they have yzn on the team or am I delusional
hybrid hollow
didn’t they have yzn on the team or am I delusional
They did
reef seal
It’s probably just the fans being cringe as shit
hybrid hollow
Yzn youbi gotta be the worst dps line of all time
weary scarab
didn’t they have yzn on the team or am I delusional
yznsa was never on their roster for contenders or didnt play official matches
reef seal
Yzn youbi gotta be the worst dps line of all time
😂
hazy marsh
youbi got unlikable 4 months ago bro
hybrid hollow
yznsa is good
💀💀💀💀💀💀
weary scarab
bro yznsa is not a tier 1 but he is not by any means bad.
reef seal
as a content creator
yeah at talking to ppl under 18
reef seal
bros banned from blizzard events for a reason btw
hybrid hollow
bro yznsa is not a tier 1 but he is not by any means bad.
I fear when I'm talking about the best of the best a t2 player is bad
weary scarab
he didnt play a single bad match in pro play
reef seal
Donghak can finish rank one as many times as he wants
So real he’s so ass
ok contenders eu good for them
weary scarab
like if you actually watxh yznsas games he played good ever single match
reef seal
shame they never played for an actual good team
shame they’re banned from blizzard events
weary scarab
yznsa is a pos but still good at the game
reef seal
good is subjective
compared to top EU nah
compared to top NA nah
compared to too KRA hell nah
weary scarab
compared to top EU nah
compared to top NA nah
compared to too KRA hell nah
what happened to all the top eu teams in qualifiers?
weary scarab
world cup
hazy marsh
top of eu means the best individuals bruh
weary scarab
no one takes that shit seriously LOL and he got benched when it got serious
no, he got kicked becuase blizzard banned him for something he did 5 years ago
reef seal
Brother is not an s tier tournament
reef seal
no, he got kicked becuase blizzard banned him for something he did 5 years ago
Maybe he shouldn’t be a horrible person plus he wouldn’t start on TM
hybrid hollow
How is world cup relevant to being in t2
Bro thinks world cup is a competitive tourney bc it's s tier on liquipedia
reef seal
he would be at a shit team
reef seal
Bro thinks world cup is a competitive tourney bc it's s tier on liquipedia
Ikr
chinese legit threw the finals but yes omega serious
weary scarab
Bro thinks world cup is a competitive tourney bc it's s tier on liquipedia
and you are coping with every twisted achievement
hybrid hollow
Im not
weary scarab
chinese legit threw the finals but yes omega serious
saudi better nerves i guess
reef seal
saudi better nerves i guess
shame they can’t prove it in a real format
weary scarab
who is downplaying their achievements
brother you
reef seal
LOL!
weary scarab
too
hybrid hollow
I'm just saying they haven't had a real achievement since world cup besides winning stage 1
They have no achievements to down play
reef seal
Saudis in OWL: 🔥
Only two of them are good enough to possibly win something
Who are ksaa and quartz
weary scarab
shame they can’t prove it in a real format
you before tournament " guys sigma comp is so bad into doom dive china will 3:0 them." after tourney "guys sigma comp was just so op china played the real skill roster"
reef seal
Well I was wrong predictions can be wrong
still they’re useless in actual competitive format
weary scarab
Only two of them are good enough to possibly win something
no, saudis just didnt want to go to usa to play in owl
weary scarab
brother
reef seal
no, saudis just didnt want to go to usa to play in owl
not my problem
reef seal
not my problem
^
weary scarab
its not worth it
hybrid hollow
Saudi players make it out of e league challenge: impossible
reef seal
Saudi players make it out of e league challenge: impossible
impossible
hazy marsh
its not worth it
yes
weary scarab
Topdragon is soloing ur top team on 150ms
wow
guys
he is on 30 mroe ping
then the averag esaudi
no way
hybrid hollow
Actually wait he's in eu
reef seal
Gonna be funny seeing falcons vs Tm
hybrid hollow
He's probably not on ping
reef seal
let’s see how they perform
hybrid hollow
Still
reef seal
Let’s see TM playing hard comps (dive)
weary scarab
they saudi e leafue is lan
hybrid hollow
He's probably not on ping
It's almost like I corrected myself
weary scarab
Let’s see TM playing hard comps (dive)
why would they want to play dive when they can just diff them on sigma
🤔
hybrid hollow
why would they want to play dive when they can just diff them on sigma
tvnt vs hanbin on sig
I'm taking tvnt chat
reef seal
why can’t saudis perform in OWL?
weary scarab
bc they’d get shit on my mayhem if that roster went u idiot
unlucky mayhem didnt play them
weary scarab
why can’t saudis perform in OWL?
cuz noone want s to live in a shithole worse then any gulf country and most countries in eu
reef seal
Tragic
reef seal
why can’t saudis perform in OWL?
waiting for this
why can’t saudis perform in actual s tier comps
Waiting for this
hazy marsh
cuz noone want s to live in a shithole worse then any gulf country and most coun...
worse than most in eu is valid
hybrid hollow
Yk what they really don't wanna hear, the Saudi players are less competitive when it comes to ow than na
weary scarab
Oh wait they’re too much of bums to move to a better country
a better country with higher crime rate, lower salaries, lower safety index, lower gdp ppp per capita?
reef seal
still doesn’t explain that they can’t compete and it’s ok
almost no one can compete in eu or na
weary scarab
still doesn’t explain that they can’t compete and it’s ok
stop trynna ragebait man no one just wants to live in that shithole simple
reef seal
and it’s ok
yeah i’d rather live in a country where women are treated normally too
anyways saudi players can’t compete
ggs
except for two
weary scarab
yeah i’d rather live in a country where women are treated normally too
saudi have a way higher safety index for women
usa is a hell for woman
reef seal
quartz and ksaa my goats
only two who can compete when the game has a hard meta
the rest? dogshit
weary scarab
the rest? dogshit
and you are better
reef seal
Kek
weary scarab
the best coach in the world
reef seal
and you are better
what does that have to do with their gameplay
weary scarab
not knowing what meta is the strongest
reef seal
or my coaching
?
ur just a biased idiot that’s all like all the tm fans
incapable of seeing logic lol
not my problem
weary scarab
ur just a biased idiot that’s all like all the tm fans
im the idiot when your a proffesional coach who cant even comprehend a current metas
hybrid hollow
This is like the "NBA fans can't judge the players bc their better than them" argument
weary scarab
tm gonna get shit on by falcons and so will be laughing
saudi team get beat by saudi team. so sadd
saudi money losing to saudi money
so sad
hybrid hollow
Saudi team? Where
weary scarab
ironic that they won’t have a single saudi player playing
but they will still be farming that esy money
🤣
hybrid hollow
Who gives a damn about the money
weary scarab
any pro player
reef seal
? what does the money have to do with anything
weary scarab
any org
hybrid hollow
they're already making money from the whole esport they literally own it
hybrid hollow
The money is going back to Saudi no matter what org it is
weary scarab
sportwash=investing in smart stuff
reef seal
how is investing into esports smart
hybrid hollow
Should've handed it to wdg fr
reef seal
LOL
weary scarab
how is investing into esports smart
you dont understand how their economy runs
weary scarab
their economy runs on oil
which they are slowly turning away from
by investing in other things
such as esports
reef seal
and investing into esports is not good?
weary scarab
which can gain them traffic
reef seal
out of all the things you can invest in?
weary scarab
out of all the things you can invest in?
thats one of the things they invest in
reef seal
ow is literally a dying esport
weary scarab
ow is literally a dying esport
its still good adve for them
to just pump out as many games
reef seal
bc they want to sportswash
^
weary scarab
sportwashing is investing to make the public look away at wrongdoings
sportwashing is not ivnesting in stuff to not be only dependant on one resource
simple
reef seal
ow is literally a dying esport
🔥
hybrid hollow
sportwashing is investing to make the public look away at wrongdoings
is this bait or propaganda
reef seal
bias
reef seal
fire gif
hybrid hollow
how is this bait or propaganda
To say investing into a horrible market isn't sports washing is kinda crazy
reef seal
^
weary scarab
To say investing into a horrible market isn't sports washing is kinda crazy
its not a horrible market
they make revenue
reef seal
💀
reef seal
💀
weary scarab
💀
guys esport world cup was so unprofitable they only got 20k viewers on their live "sponsored by pepsi and kitkat free 10 mil each"
reef seal
every single esports is struggling with finances
and so are most sports for that matter
glass sleet
When is Stockholm? What’s the date of the first day?
reef seal
so the question is? why the fuck would u want to invest in esports
glass sleet
and so are most sports for that matter
Basketball, football, soccer, hockey, tennis, cricket, wrestling, and a few other sports are doing well.
hybrid hollow
When is Stockholm? What’s the date of the first day?
November 22nd I think???
weary scarab
the global esports market revenue is literally expected to be in an upward trajectory
glass sleet
November 22nd I think???
IDK WHY I WAS THINKING ITS 15th
reef seal
Basketball, football, soccer, hockey, tennis, cricket, wrestling, and a few othe...
bc most of those sports are circulated in a very profitable market
not in soccer many big clubs are suffering
many
reef seal
bc most of those sports are circulated in a very profitable market
which is the U.S. market
glass sleet
Who
reef seal
all the italian clubs
glass sleet
Are they?
reef seal
ligue un is struggling with sponsors
la liga clubs are struggling
He’s
Yes*
so are some pl clubs too
reef seal
Racism has nothing to do with the financials
glass sleet
Racism has nothing to do with the financials
Companies tend to not associate with racism even when it’s just the fans.
USA have sponsors and run commercials like crazy. Try to watch us football. 4 hours and half of it is commercials
glass sleet
EU doesn’t do that
weary scarab
superbowl vs football worl dcup
reef seal
Companies tend to not associate with racism even when it’s just the fans.
depends on the company
reef seal
superbowl vs football worl dcup
and the most profitable sports leagues are all american btw
glass sleet
superbowl vs football worl dcup
Yeah yet superbowl made more money
reef seal
you can google it
reef seal
Yeah yet superbowl made more money
Exactly
that’s why esports fails
it isn’t saturated at all
glass sleet
Basketball definitely makes a million times more than Real Madrid
reef seal
unless you are like. riot gaming
reef seal
Basketball definitely makes a million times more than Real Madrid
For sure
reef seal
that’s why esports fails
especially ow
reef seal
So the conclusion is, have ads.
Fairs
glass sleet
Btw EWC were running ads mid games lol
glass sleet
I mean between games
weary scarab
they spent like 60 mil
glass sleet
I wonder how much they make and how much they have to spend
They have a lot of sponsors
glass sleet
they spent like 60 mil
Way more
reef seal
They have a lot of sponsors
Interesting
glass sleet
60 mil was the prize pool alone
reef seal
60 mil was the prize pool alone
This is for all the esports right?
glass sleet
They even had a long list of paid activities for players to use in their free time
glass sleet
This is for all the esports right?
Yeah it was 60 million for all 21 games. Half of it being for prize money and the other half for mvps and stuff like that
glass sleet
They even had a long list of paid activities for players to use in their free ti...
Unter, the coach of NTMR booked them a dunes trip for the team and EWC paid for the whole thing. Players had a great time.
Also, only team to actually take advantage of the list
reef seal
Yeah it was 60 million for all 21 games. Half of it being for prize money and th...
damn that’s a lot for esports
weary scarab
Also, only team to actually take advantage of the list
ssg booked the dessert tours too and shit lol
glass sleet
They definitely spent more than 60 for the whole event tho
glass sleet
ssg booked the dessert tours too and shit lol
They did? Unter said the guy told him he was the only one to book anything
I guess SSG went afterwards
weary scarab
They did? Unter said the guy told him he was the only one to book anything
unter reached out to them and sortd them out
after
glass sleet
You mean he just told them to go
weary scarab
atleast according to commanderx
glass sleet
Good for them
rugged quest
they make revenue
Theyre not making any profit lol
weary scarab
Theyre not making any profit lol
Searched 2 sites
The Esports World Cup 2024, hosted in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, generated significant revenue, largely driven by its massive $60 million prize pool, making it the largest in esports history. The event attracted global attention with participation from top esports teams across various games. While exact total revenue figures haven't been disclosed, the combination of sponsorships, media rights, and in-person attendance likely contributed significantly to its earnings
rugged quest
guys esport world cup was so unprofitable they only got 20k viewers on their liv...
Yeah so billion dollar corporations make shit investments to artificially keep an esports league doing way out of their league productions alive? Where have we seen this before
glass sleet
But it’s true that they spent a lot but they did have a few ways of making money from the event.
rugged quest
Searched 2 sites
The Esports World Cup 2024, hosted in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, ge...
Its like overwatch league 2.0, the only reason its running is because corporations are making shit investments. What happens when they realize that they arent getting anything back?
weary scarab
Its like overwatch league 2.0, the only reason its running is because corporatio...
They will still invest in those things even if it isnt profitable
glass sleet
Its like overwatch league 2.0, the only reason its running is because corporatio...
But the question becomes, are they making anything or not. Maybe they are and we don’t know? Maybe they’re not and we don’t know.
Idk
weary scarab
everything they invest isnt profitabe liquidly
rugged quest
But the question becomes, are they making anything or not. Maybe they are and we...
Dude ewc had awful viewership its pretty obvious they arent unless they are getting benefits from saudi billionaires behind the scenes for showing support
glass sleet
Dude ewc had awful viewership its pretty obvious they arent unless they are gett...
Yeah grand finals had like 800k ish
On twitch alone
Btw
Are we only counting twitch?
rugged quest
No matter how many hypothetical scenarios you create someone is losing in on 10s of millions
rugged quest
Yeah grand finals had like 800k ish
what grand finals
glass sleet
what grand finals
Ow
I’m talking about ow only
LOL got over 2 million on their last stream alone
Twitch alone
rugged quest
Ow
LOL ow ewc didnt peak at even 100k
and thats including them paying xqc to costream
glass sleet
LOL ow ewc didnt peak at even 100k
I’m talking about lol
glass sleet
and thats including them paying xqc to costream
Didn’t he have 30k?
And grand finals bad 20k?
rugged quest
I’m talking about lol
yeah so 6x less than actual lol esports
glass sleet
yeah so 6x less than actual lol esports
Yeah well lol is the biggest game
rugged quest
ewc had worse viewership in every single game compared to their actual respective leagues
glass sleet
And they didn’t have a company fucking it over
rugged quest
like significantly worse
weary scarab
ewc had worse viewership in every single game compared to their actual respectiv...
they shouldnt have made 20 channels for every game tbh
rugged quest
Also getting a few 100k viewership isnt worth 60 million prizepool lol, the actual leagues get more and are losing money
weary scarab
could of been way better viewership if they created 3 channels and promoted it bettter
glass sleet
ewc had worse viewership in every single game compared to their actual respectiv...
You have to take to account that EWC was live on many platforms. Even their Saudi channels on tv would broadcasting it. Other leagues only use twitch and YouTube sometimes. So it’s easier to see the views
weary scarab
Also getting a few 100k viewership isnt worth 60 million prizepool lol, the actu...
the 100k viewership does not hurt them
it hurts their sponsors
their sponsors have already provided
money
rugged quest
it hurts their sponsors
Well yeah but thats like saying overwatch league wasnt losing money
it was the sponsors!!
glass sleet
Also getting a few 100k viewership isnt worth 60 million prizepool lol, the actu...
Lol got 4 million views on twitch alone at least. You only count the highest concurrent views?
weary scarab
what sponsors did owl have
glass sleet
EWC had Pepsi
rugged quest
t mobile
rugged quest
Yeah i know.. But saying that "sponsors got scammed not the organizers" isnt the bullet proof argument yall think it is
glass sleet
I think you should go count all the channels they had and calculate their viewership. That way you’ll have a good understanding on the number.
rugged quest
Yeah i know.. But saying that "sponsors got scammed not the organizers" isnt the...
because that can literally be said about the biggest failure in esports history in overwatch league
thats not a sustainable business model and its all artificial
glass sleet
I’m not arguing for anything. I’m just weirded out by how you just choose to pretend they had two channels and then say the viewership on those two alone were bad. They legit had like at least 20 different channels for each game. I just think you should be fair when you’re judging the numbers.
Like saying owcs had more viewers can their only twitch channel is at 20k
You know?
rugged quest
Like saying owcs had more viewers can their only twitch channel is at 20k
They didnt have 20 games on at the same time
it was scheduled so that wouldnt happen
glass sleet
They didnt have 20 games on at the same time
No, I’m saying they had 20 channels per game
Rough number ofc
rugged quest
No, I’m saying they had 20 channels per game
The other platforms are counted in these numbers
glass sleet
The other platforms are counted in these numbers
Really now?
rugged quest
Really now?
Yes? thats what sites like esports charts do, count viewership from every streaming platform/costream
Like owcs dallas viewership peaked at like 50k but its listed at 120+ because of costreams
glass sleet
Yes? thats what sites like esports charts do, count viewership from every stream...
I’m not sure that the thing with all of them. Some of them only take the popular platforms
glass sleet
Like owcs dallas viewership peaked at like 50k but its listed at 120+ because of...
That’s still on the same platform
Oh and you just reminded me. I completely forgot about co streams. I was only talking about official streams
You’re right. We had co streamers like XQC and TTT co streaming it
glass sleet
Can you make that clearer? I can’t read shit
rugged quest
glass sleet
Sorry
Surely that’s not all of them
Where the cable tv and Wtf is their own streaming platform
rugged quest
what is missing to you
glass sleet
TV and their platform? The one with 3 dots?
Lol idk the name
So what was the viewership overall for all those?
For ow alone
rugged quest
those i sent?
glass sleet
Yeah
rugged quest
around 100k but half of that is xqc costream
i think the main stream peaked at like 30k?
and 20k of that is mostly like saudi streamers costreams etc
rugged quest
ttt?
rugged quest
I cant find specifics but its counted in that 100k
you need to buy a subscription to see specific channel peaks on the website
i just remember what the main stream had
glass sleet
Wait so the peak is 100k. I’m asking overall
rugged quest
Wait so the peak is 100k. I’m asking overall
33k average
glass sleet
What was the number at the end? Surely a couple million
rugged quest
What was the number at the end? Surely a couple million
at the end?
rugged quest
The site has that behind a paywall unfortunately
rugged quest
1,7mil total hours watched
rugged quest
But yeah, i think ewc will keep running as long as sponsors are willing to throw money at it but its definitely losing them alot of money currently
glass sleet
But yeah, i think ewc will keep running as long as sponsors are willing to throw...
They hit their goal anyway so they’re glad with that
Maybe more viewership next season when more people know about it
icy kestrel
So can we not get thunder doomfist anymore?
quasi umbra
So can we not get thunder doomfist anymore?
that's probably what's going to happen, or they release more of the skins before December so you can get a chance
viscid hatch
I’m curious as to the spilt play time percentage of Junbin and MAX and the respective winrates
I’m going to find out
finite dagger
Same here
woven stream
totally
balmy wolf
totally
? They are gone like I usually use the league widowmaker skin and it's gone. I don't mean team skins. I mean the league skins
woven stream
ion know what the convo is on i havent read a single message im just saying totally to be a dickhead
balmy wolf
Ahh lol
icy kestrel
that's probably what's going to happen, or they release more of the skins before...
Well it’s unavailable now
quasi umbra
Well it’s unavailable now
yeah they're unvaluting the skins in waves until Dec
icy kestrel
yeah they're unvaluting the skins in waves until Dec
What’s that mean
quasi umbra
What’s that mean
some skins become available for a set period of time
until they go away for new ones
all up until December
icy kestrel
How much are those skins in $
quasi umbra
idk i've never bought OWL skins, but considering the team skins are around like $6-$7, i'd say they would be a little more than that
icy kestrel
idk i've never bought OWL skins, but considering the team skins are around like ...
Do we know when each skin will be available are any of the special skins available now?
quasi umbra
Do we know when each skin will be available are any of the special skins availab...
nah, the only featured thing in the OWL shop rn are charms
mortal cipher
No skins rn???
mortal cipher
only the team skins
thats what i thought
full monolith
could someone please look at my post in gameplay advice?
hazy marsh
could someone please look at my post in gameplay advice?
im sure someone will take a look at some point but dont go asking here. not the right place
bleak geyser
bleak geyser
that aint him
it aint?
deft wolf
no
deft wolf
libero is retired and a crypto guy now
deft wolf
he plays from asia
Exactly
bleak geyser
libero is retired and a crypto guy now
doesnt mean he doesnt still play
deft wolf
its prob a dan
deft wolf
doesnt mean he doesnt still play
Yea but its unlikely yknow
bleak geyser
it was a pugs game
deft wolf
did he talk?
bleak geyser
rarely
it was like a month ago, i recovered this clip
lost his discord, bio said "i play ow" or something like that
deft wolf
maybe its a fan
deft wolf
send
bleak geyser
send
?
look at the clip, he has the official owl league icon
he also 1v5 when he was put on support
idk, all this was a month ago
bleak geyser
exactly
i think its real cause his voice sounded similar in the little instances he talked
deft wolf
i aint tryin to hate, i wish it happened itd be awesome, but im keeping it real
bleak geyser
i wished i dmed him to ask before the discord got deleted
bleak geyser
only saw him for 3 days of pugs before the server was gone
didnt want to make a big deal about it just incase he wanted to remain anonymous, so i gave it a month of time
glass sleet
Another na tracer otp hits the scene
Just what we were looking for
torn portal
Another na tracer otp hits the scene
sugarfree scissors and now xomba
i can’t think of any other na players that only player tracer 99% of the time
blazing folio
true
deep lion
For genji to be such a bad hero he gets so much playtime rn
I wonder why
Anyone know
hybrid hollow
bc he just isn't bad
mortal cipher
he isnt bad its just hard to play him a lot and v meta dependent
balmy wolf
Will there be a overwatch world cup this year?
grave python
Will there be a overwatch world cup this year?
I think there's a world cup only when there's Blizzcon
balmy wolf
I think there's a world cup only when there's Blizzcon
Ohh):