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Hes literally horrible
only in this meta though
wait i didnt watch how did they flip the map
if the meta is dive again the saudi roster is useless
truth
Why is the haku lbbd7 backline better than McDonalds and bliss
man can ssg just give them a map
Sugarfree needs a dive meta so he can show he’s a tracer otp
so real
you guys are forgetting chase is the next guxue
I hat does this mean
Never
Yikes
Chase the best eu Winston?
probably not
**only EU Winston
if TM doesnt win a map then VP goes to lan instead of them
so why isnt lbb playing
LOL
he gets a lot of hate but hadi winston must be the best in eu, no?
they need to have 4 maps with youbi
Youbi needs to play 4 maps for tm to qualify
No way bruh
Might be gg
Him theo or chase
Eu has NO Winston players
So if they don't win this next map with youbi it's over no matter what
guys what a good system
Brooo CLEARLY the best winston in EU is Kraandop
you just named 3 lol
the guy with higher circuit points who beat the other team doesnot qual
yea
Hadi Winston iş
I like this system bc its making youbis life horrible
Something
Prime time youbi hater
Real
youbi is horrible
yeah bro just fuck over everyones at tm hard grind
🔥
Wait
Why didnt they have youbi play earlier
maybe don't have him on your team
To avoid having him vs ssg
Cus they wanted to win
Should've dropped him a year ago 🥱🥱🥱
extremely simple solution
No but
They don’t go to 5 maps vs vp with youbi
Let’s be honest
yeah should of dropped him a year ago and not won wc ow stage 1
Ksaa won stage one I fear
ksaa and quartz won that stage
Everyone else spectated
God I genuinely hate this stupid ass rule. You’re getting fucked for putting in your sub player who’s good at the meta
ksaa literally credited youbis igl and that he won them the wc
erm idc youbi sucks
He could never be sugargoat
He was being nice
ok dont care hes ass compared to those two + that was legit the perfect meta as it was completely braindead
tis wild
That in game leadership and doing shit now so who cares
Hadi needs to let them win one
omg guys completely braindead meta with sym tp.
the best sigma team didn't even play in OWWC
For the free
sym tp is so braindead guys
Stfu with your dumbass takes holy. Nah “braindead” is so cringe to say. Agreeing with you or not that’s such a cringe stupid take from you. I expected better
ez bait
unlucky china got a one trick dive team then
Stop baiting it’s getting me
atp just put lbbd7 in and try to reverse sweep 😭
happens when your entire roster are one trick dives
skill issue
tragic
This is cool nd all
Nah it’s too late. Youbi is in for last map
skill issue that no eu players have never won a ring in pro play besides OWWC
But what have they done since owwc
gege
Na clears ggs
Na > eu confirmed ?
And this is what happens when the worst player on ur roster got boosted for 4 stages so now he needs to play 4 maps despite being ass
because no eu player wanna play on ping or be in that hamburger region
maybe they should be good then instead of losing to koreans every time
Nah I’m hungry
If youbi was good this wouldn't be an issue
Didn’t even bring up the alien 🔥🔥🔥
real
Mei is good rn but yet he's ass
He hasn’t been scrimming
because they havent been scrimming with youbi
Bc he's ass
in this meta
real
Bc he's ass
No, cuz Pharah is strong. I don’t like Youbi either but I ain’t dumb.
Even Sinatraa > yzn at sa allegations
how can u watch quartz and youbi and determine that youbi is ANYWHERE near the level of quartz
NA just better
but he's ass sooooo
Lol
if youbi has no haters then I'm dead
💀
Youbi so ass that Mr x saying it will be easier for tm to win the series against ssg with lbd in than getting to game 4 with youbi in💀
youbi is good at his heroes, simple.
What about him?
Its a mid mythic anyways
sym mei
Sym
hes my CS goat
Nah. Nah. Nah.
Bro is throwing on mei rn 💀
Mei? You been watching the same game???
are you stupid
nah
bro isn't watching anything he's stupid af
are you? 😭
😭
Are you?
Gimme whatever you’re smoking. It seems really good.
Dawg
I got you
they own the wc on his mei and sym
he had a higher mei pickrate then sym
Wait wait
his mei is ltierrally better then his sym
Why are still talking about owwc?
I will keep hating until he actually proves himself in S tier competition which he never will
This owcs
tragedy
like h oly shit
Bro won a B tier tournament almost 2 years ago 💀
JUNKERTOWN BABY
think TM can win icl
i dont think u can count. owwc was 1 year ago in one month
I hope so
And then proceeds to get stomped on by the na goat Sugarfreak🔥🔥🔥
cuz hes dogshit
😭
Damn it feels like it's been longer
Either way
Point still stands
Ksaa does not want tm to win even a single map lmao
is there even any point to qualify when falcons or CR will jsut shit on everyone at stockholm
youbi is shit why are we debating this
genuine question
Also only you would track when owwc happened 💀
He wants them but he won’t let them. That’s really bad if he gives them a win.
Toronto makes a upset bc they banned junbin ball 🔥🔥🔥
Saudi fans picking every cherry to swear their region isn't ass
Lets be honest
hope they are on opposite sides of the bracket
Aight bye bye
its so funny to me
Youbi has thrown the hardest of any player
Yeah cause meta changes and such
wrap it up just throw the map
It's joev
By getting one of the two good tm players to leave
Quartz gotta lock in extra hard
what saudi regioon they have to play on 100 ping and still won stage 1
Fr tm only hope
Wait
what about stage 2 3 and 4
Youbi killed 2?
oh right
Bro is soo good it's actually crazy how much youbi dragging him down this guy is phenomenal
roster issues throughout all stages
Quartz should just jump ship atp and join ksaa
just clean up
What about Dallas?? What a about ewc??
they were already up two players
Damn
they should've locked in
I’m tryna give him a lil credit
what about saudi players in OWL besides KSAA
LOLLL
i think you forgot that quartz and lbbd7 literally got denied visa for dallas
Womp womp
My glorious king sir majed
sir majed my glorious bench player
Majed chose the bag
smart
I would too
Sir majed bench of the year
now bob and rally vs blizzard
I fear I'm too ignorant to give tm any respect outside of quartz and ksaa
He’s probably making like 80k just sitting there
But ksaa isn't here anymore so
for now whoru is the best bench player of OAT...
backbone cosplaying youbi
How is youbi dead
And he still dies
hes ass
Youbi boutta have a pge stat card
Losing a 1v1 to a 100hp brig
landon goated I fear
Losing to the Landon brig is even worse
Erm can we get a coach ocie video
quartz said his season isn't over
bro is actually trying SO HARD
Quartz is like
Did quartz build 2 bobs before youbi one blizzard ?
this youbi performance is so stinky
oof
Bro I gotta carry this shitass team just to survive
Is he just shooting air
Damn
I kinda want tm to win bc it'll be funnier if youbi loses at lan 3 times in a row
He’s their carry
ofc hes gonna lose at LAN LOL
Youbi will not be playing at lan
What's up with these Mei players
Idk
Well ssg has 5 ults
Backbone tryna challenge the king
Going death for death with youbi
this shit is crazy
When did youbi blizzard btw
Idk
its crazy how the only hard hero in this meta is ashe
Bro
Bro quartz is on one
like
quartz is legit spinning
No one else is making plays
LMAOOO
If quartz doesn’t start with a pick they don’t kill anything
quartz will carry them to stockholm :(
quartz top 2 hitscan
"play slow until quartz kills something"
he will
then they will get farmed cuz his team is ass
tragedy
feel bad for him
everyone in tm is good except youbi
Whatever 3rd place eu team makes it I’m like 70% sure they go against a kr team
Falcons should drop happy for quartz so majed can have a friend that speaks the same language as him
just wait until they get vigilante back for stockholm
LMFAOOOOOO
❌
Quartz is crazy, tvnt and bliss are mid, mcd and youbi are TRASH
icl its kinda sad how yall are shitting on these players. they are literally grinding the game for like 2k max a month
bc they are not good compared to the actual good players
?
is that hard to comprehend
Another quartz carry
and who are the actual good players
falcons CR and zeta?
Not youbi
rupal someone ? etc etc ?
this is top 4 eu
Erm if you're competing to be a top team imma hold you to that standard idc what ur pay check is
dont u think top 4 eu is good players
Widow 76 and he's still forcing out the tracer
Kr produces prodigies
yeah i think this might be joever
quartz kevster Vestola ksaa Landon
There’s some 12yr old rn waiting for ow3
at least 10 of them locked up in a cloning chamber
Named HeeSong
Carry down
YES
He’s back
nah
And kills 1
Omg
quartz is back
hioly
holy shit
gg
MCD and youbi get farmed but the rest of the team is actually playing
Orisa
tm to stockholm confirmed
i think tvnt and bliss is really talanted too
Ewwww
Quartz !!
YESSS
Ewwww
Nah bro get quartz in Korea rn
Quartz is insane
Holy carry
lets go man
Gg
Rip virtus
Ok but like
I deadass think youbi got one final blow that whole map
So now they take out youbi and go for the win
If we don’t count cleanup kills
Who thinks we are getting a reverse sweep
Wait actually
Imagine they troll and just subbed out youbi
Yeah lol
Maybe ssg wants to lose that map
Nah they wanted tm out of worlds
Tm is more managable
which teams have qualified for stockholm
LOL the tm comms
Cr, falcons, Toronto, ENCE, SSG, uh probably TM, and idk about the last two na spots
I think ntmr qualify?
so realistically which teams would be fun to watch besides falcons/CR
ence vs ssg if Hadi isn't in
Toronto on lan is actually kinda crazy
ntmr should be fun if they qualify
Ntmr vs tm maybe
He actually got a kill on Backbone with the blizzard when Quartz was dead
tm ence ssg
whos on ntmr
Ence vs SSG is a classic rivalry
Infekted, seeker, zeruhh, cjay, admiral
It’s the EU CR vs Falcons
seeker my goat
HOLY SHIT QUARTZ IS FUCKING INSANE!!
wait is nrg not qualed?
Wait wasn’t infected on NRG?
Or am I tripping
Plus Lethal
💀💀
He was loaned to ntmr for ewc and decided to stay with them
He got bought
@static turret what was the result of fluffy vs tsm?
Are NTMR not a worse team than NRG
Im pretty sure ntmr paid them a lot
Ntmr is better
Dude TM actually full holding SSG
I think TSM won
NTMR are better 100%
finally
so nrg can still make Stockholm right?
I thought NRG beat Toronto
Fluke series I fear
Different meta
I thought NRG solidified themselves as the 2nd best NA team
Toronto was messing around a bit
And ntmr was #3
That too I guesssss
Clash lol
I didn’t watch that slop
And then they swapped spots
I know it went to a map 5
That was before Kellan remembered he was ass
Damn
If Kellan could actually play orisa they'll probably be ok
Whatever happened to M80
Guys TD are frauds outside of winton dive on dive maps
I haven’t heard from them since the Dallas majors
Roster exploded
their roster died ASAP
this map bad for tm
Dallas majors was such a heat event
Ngl we don’t care. We just glad we qualify for Stockholm
after Dallas they couldn't get a full roster so the org just left for the rest of the season
yeah tbh
will stockholm be on this current patch
would just be funny if they beat ssg with youbi
or will it be on the next patch they make
Quartz still locked
Idk. It’s next month so probably not
Nah
I assume next patch
👍 wonder how the meta will be then
It’s November 22nd
Full on hog meta
I hope orisa gets nerfed
praying it's dive as nothing else is fun to watch
That’s enough time to get settled in the season 13 meta
Prepare to hook and be hooked
Not brawl bro?
Genji will be reduced to 200 hp, deflect will be on a 15 second cd and blade damage will be reduced to 80
Even tho her winrate is really bad. She’s hard meta in pro level
EU brawl be fun
Brawl is snooze fest
Dive is snooze fest
brawl and poke are snooze as shit maybe if the heroes were hard it would be fun to watch
I’m tired of winton dive 6 years straight
the koreans made this orisa meta popular again sadly
then they should release heroes that are hard
Is Lucio not a hard character
Cooked
Tired of peak????
Hard to play you mean?
Brawl is just nothing dies until dps get their ults and then everyone presses q and then one team dies in 2 seconds
New tank is brawl so….
yeah game is cooked
Can't wait for mauga v2
Wait but how is Lucio not hard
Nah
The tank dont do nothing in brawl lets be fr unless its queen
He’s harder than Brig for sure
didn't mean lucio meant the other heroes compared to dive
Guys it’s 2-0 rn wtf
Like when do two reins actually swing at each other nowadays ?
Like Mei? Sym? Pharah?
2-1 this point is impossible to cap
resident sleeper
when the game isnt monkey tracer I fear it might be ass
Nvm quartz kills one
Yeah
Yeah
What comp was season 1 meta?
anything is winnable with quartz
Can they put in lbbd7 if tm wins this map?
Winston
Reaper
Sojourn
Lucio
Kiriko
Zarya and some other shit
owl season one?
Is that dive
perhaps he might be the goat
Or brawl
Oh ow2 szn 1
Yeah
Or does it mean lbbd7 gets more games so his points count again
Like why was Winston being played with brawl characters
Dont think so
What do we even call that comp
@reef seal what was the meta when London won owl ik you remember Gramps
No
Dallas Fuel
Soj is an all arounder
Bro wasn’t that like
6 years ago
LMAO
Dallas Fuel vs Shock
Shes not really a brawl character
Was like 2 years ago
Shes everything
Wtf
I always seen sojourn played with brawl
Soj rail was gigabroken
I’m pretty sure early OWL was moth meta or something? Don’t remember though
Shes played in brawl dive and poke
Was sojourn also played with dive? Alongside Tracer Winston Brig Ana?
But less in poke
Bro I’m talking about OW2
I got no clue
Whoever pushes last point always loses
Winston
Sojourn
Reaper
Kiriko
Lucio
She was also just hard meta in s1
What is this comp
Because her rail was oneshot
Is this dive or brawl
oh Winston and soj were super strong reaper played well into those two and Lucio Kiri is the shaq and Kobe of backlines
Yeah
Some dumbass said Kai is the best eu hs by far
fr
No its completely correct actually
it’s quartz by far but technically he’s not eu but yes I know they play on that region
I mean he can do it
Yea
I thought reaper was played because he benefited so much from Kiriko
orisa is cringe but at least it’s not double shield
That shit was the worst ever meta to exist
That too probably
🤓
We need triple shield
I thought it was goats
you onto something…
Quartz always reloading 1 then shooting lol
fuck you christfer
Actually wait
nah
But apparently goats took IQ
Quadruple shield
and skill
i will be rooting against ssg on lan
yes it did there were only two goats teams
titans and shock
While I heard anyone could run double shield
however my goat super dominated
Yes correct
When heros are being played outside of their normal comps it's probably due to some broken synergy with another hero
crazy comp
Imagine getting rocked 4x
just go 5 sigma 1 bap
lets have our hitscan player not mirror widow on a top5 widow point in the game and instead play tracer
💀
check his paypal
What was the double shield comp?
Orisa
Sigma
Bastion
Mercy
Bap
Who was the other DPS?
4 sigma 1 mauga (to play tank reaper) 1 bap
sparkr is known for pussying out in the widow mirorrs lol
Didn't it change
Like
Ladder double shield of hell
he did it last time too
Also wasn't it bap brig too
yeah
there were many variations of DS
It did
but i’d say the best was bap zen orisa sig and like double sniper
Mastering goats is insanely hard
But it always went back to Orisa sigma
Those two tanks were always part of DS yes
Yea cause there were only 2 deployable shield chars
Hardest comp to play was sigma hog 🔥
Double shield was only fun when ans ans and carpe would play widow on koth and 2cp and take stupid ass angles
You just toss down infinite shields
Widow is just insanely fun to watch
how did tm lose that with Juno ult
widow duels*
Quartz couldn't carry hard enough
I’m back
no one asked
Widow is one of the best heroes to watch in pro
Did they win another map?
the reason people didnt like watching goats was not just the insane power of the comp when played right - but also the fact that basically only few teams were good enough to play GOOD goats
Last map was so close
Usually they are mirrored tho
Damn
the rest of the teams werent that good at goats compared to SFS and VAN
Damn
Ya
tm would of probably won if lbbd7 was in
I need to watch some pro league double shield and goats
Nice! Both my teams qualify. TM and NTMR
Did SFS and van play in the finals or something?
do you want to torture yourself
Just watch goats skip double shield
Won what
Yeah
Yea
What was that fight again ? Spitfire vs another team during goats and they used 14 ults before someone died in a single fight
the series
Ima have to check that out
London vs justice
No they wouldnt have
Ssg beat both vp and tm comfortably earlier in the bracket
theres a clear tier break between tm and ssg
Fr (buddy was benched until hog was good)
Chill
i mean that shock team was genuinely insane
Smurf had a top 3 off tank oat with him
had arguably the best dva ever
What year
2019 I think
Back when owl had good players
Like the team was just stacked
Even after moth and the alien left
Oof should've been 1 game sooner
real now it’s only like 2-3 teams
yeah they got ans and architect (both super good)
2021 Shanghai
rascal was a flex god
Sfs had a demon roster
No one was matching the brawl
And you couldn’t match the dive
Crusty was so boosted
What do you even do when they have Smurf choi ans violet
honestly if titans had an actual main tank maybe they win one ring
but unfortunately they have bumper
Bumper 🔥🔥🔥
lets go
Who are they interviewing
Chris
The coach
christfer
can they interview quartz and ask him what it’s like to 1v2 the dps by himself
Majed getting ready to FaceTime youbi knowing he's coming back to the bench
Bro said
LOL
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During lan they gonna be playing in the crowd section bc they know they aren’t seeing playtime
ggs Unfortunate 1-3 vs @Spacestation
doesn’t matter tho we officially qualify to Stockholm 🇸🇪
Junkertown is my playground
Chris was like
Had this typed up half way through the map
We ruined one of their days
Quartz literally the x factor
How
bc he’s insane
How can he carry so many bums
?
Every stage after stage 1
Gg
Stage 3
Oh yeah
Tsm beat fluffy ?
Stage 3 was VP right?
Ye
yeah tsm locked in
I’m watching this
PGE TO STOCKHOLM WOOOOOOO
tsm needs to beat NTMR
Nrg in lb grand finals
Man 6v6 looks so fun
LETS GOOOO
Where is toronto
Won
I forgot how interesting tank combos could be
where they always are
if tsm beats ntmr nrg go home and tsm go to stolkholm
Did na ub finals already happen?
yeah it was super fun, had so much more skill expression than ow2
ow2 is way easier to follow though
I see nrg on grand finals
I need Infekted to lock all the way in
Wym like from a viewers perspective
Btw did you see the casters reaction to when twisted minds won a map
Plays nrg
I need to see pge vs lip one time
Right ?
Ya
Oh
PLEASE
Production issue maybe?
That will feed generations
I want to see pge shit on lip or proper
Giving Ksa winning OWWC vibes of them all looking like
Like that would be SO funny
Wait
Yeah it looks like the coordination, strategy and teamwork required is a lot higher
And ngl that sounds fun as hell
Nrg should be out completely right?
I dpnt watch na so idk what happend
“The bad guys won…..no…….what happened”
correct it was but not in ranked
Yes
Also
Lb grand isn’t a thin
Thing
Yea
OWCS gotta add a play in tournament
Wdym
we need an OWS owcs team
Let zeta and poker face play TM and Nrg shock
Erm
For the last 2 spots
Let quartz play poker face
Simple fixa backline terrorizes that team
so, TM and NRG is going to stockholm but not ZETA? That's upset
lol
Though idk who even deserves the 2nd NA spot
Yea
Cuz NRG is on fraud watch
Nightmare
Dual nationality
That's what I'm saying 🤦🏾♂️
tsm could lock in. but twisted and tsm going to stolkholm isn’t much different than nrg
yeah, i don't think tsm can do it, either way is still upset
idk i think this big tournament could be 2 from NA, 2 form EMEA, 2 from korea and only korea and 2 from the rest of Asia/Pacific
nah i’m thai american
unfortunately I will be moving to a real country
Ok they cooked a little too hard
Kai is not above quartz's level
Lole
Like
Thats just false
Sometimes he can match him
But thats rare
man im so sad Virtus Pro isn't going to stockholm, i really wanted to watch them
1-3 vs @Spacestation
But we qualified to Stockholm 🇸🇪 world finals cya there🫡🇸🇦🇸🇦
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Who that
youbi
bro has negative aura
Lol, i expected more than 25 deaths
is it me or is backbone a bit of a boring player. like u see it at the end of the game "oh wow backbone has 32 kills" but u can never remember them. can u remember a single backbone kill ? but try kevster...u can see the flick i remember a kevster flick.
it's just the observers glazing Kev
Think about it you never see backbone pov
It's always earlier or after the fight
yeah, tbh i don't like to watch backbone plays, he is playing mei and that's kinda boring
Or a hitscan, so he can't do a quick flick or something like that
Guess I lied bc they just gave us like a minute of backbone pov lol
watching hitscan plays is kinda impressive
yeah, Vest just die behind the cameras
backbone is in vestola's head
ence would be able to reverse sweep 4 entire maps??
They see that best of 7 and lock in
fr they always come to the finals thinking about win and go with everything
Yessir
Sparkr popping off
Guys was SSG playing rein the whole time?
Ksaa played?
Nah
Everytime hadi does something very mundane on rein and the chat spams CHADI i ever so slightly lose the will to live
No need to the orisa is working
Ence rolls SSG then gets rolled by SSG
And ENCE didn't wanna take them to Gibraltar so no reason to play ksaa
Chadi diff
Flats creaming his pants watching this
4-0
Swept in the grand finals is crazy
Total domination
💀
How was tm closer then this
Ez
SSG always locks in for finals
4-0
Hell no
SSG have also been rumored to usurp crazy raccoon in stokholm
Vp is basically a worse orisa comp team then tm
if backbone played sombra against twisted on junkertown VP would be in. how did they sandbag so hard bro
universal sandbag
30 kills 20 deaths that's my goat right there
they really hate sauna
Nah I think tm still take that map
backbone is the player of the match
What’s sombra gonna do just put their brig closer to widow and sombra is perms afk if they play orisa with sombra
Quartz shut down = Twisted minds lose
Yup
^
I don't think Sombra shuts down quartz there honestly
Literally he was the ONLY player
Bro is clearly the carry of their team it's insane how quartz can play soo good
on the team
Tm plays around quartz how new York used to play around jjonak
Ence doesn't do tht for kai
Kai is equal to quartz (at least in his prime)
Quartz gets all the care in the world kai is left to die
If kai got boxed up quartz would also struggle
it just looks like quartz was in control that whole map because ssg sandbagged it
I fear Kai is mid and quartz is the x factor
YEAH CHADII FLEXIMG MUSCLES
Quartz and lip is up there
Shades of jjonak in season one
Okay ten paces back
Nah no paves back
If we are saying quartz is 1v5 top eu teams
just because they were great shots doesn’t mean we have to take backshots
TD v NTMR next?
He should def be up there
come on now
We did it reddit
Bc they tried to target quartz with the tracer pick and they couldn't do anything bc they're literally leaving tvnt to die just to keep quartz alive praying he kills 3
And he kills 3 every time
The goat
Sombra marking quartz would leave yk
The frontline to play
And the frontline of SSG is immensely better
Gotta be bait
Hadi just started grinning when they asked “can you guys beat KR teams” 😭😭😭😭
“Hahahahaha…..maybe we can make rein work?”
Truly quartz was just given all the space
and sparkr had no hands
keep him on ashe
U know violet is cooked but youbi also
I was in a match and this was talking about a league man named ansan sniper I don’t know who he is and can’t find anything about him
A guy was saying how he was the qp match
WOOOOO PGE TO STOCKHOLM BABY
gg to tsm, not even close
I haven’t watched the new league thing, I miss Florida mayhem
The only thing I miss from OWL is London Spitfire
Toronto is pretty much the 2023 mayhem minus chorong and checkmate
Someone and rupal?
and i mean sugarfree is defenitly holding his own when compared to 2023 checkmate
Someone Rupal and merit
so its not like a downgrade
Honestly sugarfree as of rn looks better than checkmate rn
He was kinda mid on Fnatic
true
honestly its a crime that asia ( korea) has only 2 spots
like yeah i love toronto ntmr shock / ssg ence tm but how tf does zeta not able to compete in the majors
ye
Zeruhh is so nice
They get the two dive points now so Toronto probably wins these two points
Merit on tracer so it's winnable
Is halo in it?
Someone sugarfree Merit Rupal Vega
That's the full roster
I mean in the league
uh idk
they could be apart of a lower level team
anything before top 8 I don't keep much track of not gonna lie
Vega is the only player on Toronto that never played in League
WE GOT A SERIES
vega robbed of playtime
Infekted really is the hope of na
Get merit off this damn hero
@static turret Vega just got his Juno ult ajaxed
I fear he's a brig illari two trick
yeah it is what it is
isnt vega lucio good?
i guess