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could play the sym stuff but also pharah and other flex
Nah, Naga. Naga is actually good
Already have 2 koreans
I agree slay was good
Tho migth be weak on ana
He migth be washed
yep much better map for vp
He can’t be washed. Bro plays ranked in Korean lobbies
Oh
For fuck sake stream please stop freezing
big ult fight coming up
But
Thing is falcons prefer chiyo on illari still
Or even zen
Only cuz of the language barrier
did sauna just decide to spectate that fight
completely wasted that orisa ult
And juno ult
tvnt you beautiful fat bastard
yeah vp doesnt deserve to go to stockholm after these fights
They clutched so hard
Tm had 1
CMON TM! Only one more map
ssg struggle against good phara
They would prob still get cooked by ence
yep
Cuz they arent stupid
can you imagine that this team almost lost to 16th seed
💀
unless vp pulls out a miracle we'll see youbi's ugly ahh in stockholm
Does tm qualify if they win vs vp
Lbbd is cooking
Is it a phara meta ?
I’ve seen a lot of genji
well every team that has a good phara player
That to
genji is good too
Just seems like whatever map@phara works on they use it lol
Lbb is a very good phar tho
But flex dps usually switch around genji traces phara
i think its either phara or genji depending on the map
Vp is clutching
w clutch
Meta actually made me take a nap
Def viable
What's happening
My goat pge isn't on yet???
Man I can’t remember the last meta you didn’t hate
Gets over with
Wait why is this true
Actually I liked the shit we had before this
we get very sad attempts at dive
Just not ram
every other game on gib
Gib is dva rush
It’s funny cuz I didn’t like the Dva meta
Cuz of how busted Dva was
I just like watching dva play so
Chase the only eu tank who has a semi decent Winston I fear
And it’s stil kinda eh
You could feel how broken she was in ranked so watching her in pro level sucked
For eu and na standard
That’s fine
This isn’t Korea
We ain’t getting good dive unless it’s someone
Who
Someone
nrg could play dive too no? i think they have a korean tank
Yeah but who you mean
Kellan is a fraud
Maybe if attack picked up the Winston
Nah
surely he's better than chase
…
It’s PGE holding kellan back from a good dive
Maybe it’s the ping
or any other eu winson
The dps meta is nice tho
hadi
PGE sucks on anything that’s not widow
theomatic
So only chase
Hadi😭
I get it
Wrap it up
Stop it
ok
Atleast eu knows they can’t dive na tries to dive
And it’s sad
Sawhill vs icy Winston mirror
Actual slop
Will twisted throw a series due to bad mental once again??
yeah i think london has finally given up on it now that they have ksaa
Well youbi isnt in so hopefully not
Youbi in the locker room talkin shit in their ear
"you lost that map bc you couldn't swap off pharah"
bro hating on his own team
Rajjaro playing whackamole with lbb
Just lookin like a dps diff
Idk
Rajjaro once again
No cds
apparently they need to play youbi over lbbd7 every map against ssg
They need to never play youbi again
Just keep bro on the bench
if they don't vp go to stockholm cuz youbi got all the points
Youbi isnt in and now I'm actually watching TM games
Good
Why are we using Juno right there
They were basically in their spawn
What is vp doing
it means they will just throw against ssg
tm should disband MCD and bliss should go back to Korea quartz should join ENCE and tvnt....
Idk
lbbd7 is just yzn's alt atp and if youbi never played ow again the world would be happy
Tm been locked in
alright im watching the stream again have vp finally warmed up
they were on fraud watch and had to go in
Youbi is out lately maybe i can root for tm…
considering this
what is this macro 😭
MCD in tho lol
What am I watching
this might be gege
Sauna blades 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Ewww
and they cap with time
sauna please save me
if only tracer was meta rn :(
RAAJARO CHILL
raajaro
sauna blade again thank god his team clutched
also how did shockwave mind control quartz into playing widow on kings row 2nd
it just gave infinite momentum
Why is rajarro just beating down on them
I BELIEVE IN THE REVERSE SWEEP
RAJARRO
Oh no
💀
Nahhhh
thats insane
Nahhh
that spear on quartz was clutch
Reverse Sweepers???
TM CHOKINH
5 mins is so much
Mental diff
thats actually insane
What happened?
thats basically a walk to 3rd point
Tm lost map 3 and all of sudden they lost 100 skill
virtus pro quite literally has 60x more time available
they lost one map and now they are on the verge of reverse sweep
no way 505?? arctic monkeys reference?
i believe in the sauna phara
5 minutes is crazy
He finally heard me
5:05 to 1:00 difference
Sauna please save me
Suana getting more kills without using blade is peak
is 5 minutes the most in ow esports history?
one fight loss and its done
they have payload but also only in overtime
Nah
There’s been higher
they cannot walk off the cart all the way to point 3
You’d have to go back to like 2018/2019 owl
Tvnt careying
Sauna barrages six
can blizzard nerf phara mid game
Khenaol rally charge
Oh my good
Yo how are they pushing though what
Holy
five minutes
Not bad
ok finally
But
Ok
They need
Still difficult
That’s actually a huge push
A good defsbw
Can we agree Orisa gameplay is a**?
Sauna will get 5k barrage and MCD and Bliss will retire
MCD lol
they got 2nd checkpoint
i thought they almost got it
Oh yeah the math
Twisted won’t qualify off this map
They’d have to upset ssg as well
ye
reset reset reset
Tvnt cooking
yo what are they doing
TVNT is literally going spear for spear
1 minute already gone
fuuuuuuuck
how did he short circuit with an orisa running him down
TVNT spears are insane
virtus pro have been using bad ults
nevermind
Didn’t even blow their load that was just straight work
Nice flank
Orbital ray is to op
there we go
half time wasted smh
literally Worlds is on the line
i would say sauna wasted that blade but it probably wont change anything if he has it
Sauna????
ok
Did they not have 5 minutes?????
they did
how do you fumble that lead
Took them 2 to get first point
Last two fights left and they have the same amount of time TM had at the start
but TM won like 3 fights
sauna is fine in the neutral but his blades are so fucking trash
= DADDDY
Proper is that you????
Mcd
YTESSSSSSSSSSS
Is brain dead
shades of necros from sauna
MCD held that ult for 6 years
Why did he hold ult
Sauna clutch
Bro dropping ts in ow3
but seriously he finally came back
SAUNA YOUA RE THE GENJI GOAT
He tried
YEEEEEE MAP 5
saunaaaaaaaaaaaa
He tried to make a big brain play
Mcd is so bad
Reverse sweeeeeep
Tm boom now and vp wins
he waited too fucking long to ult
If there wasnt many ults it would be good
With the level of play TM are showing again, vigilante would’ve 3-0’d
Both maps they lost was cuz MCD SHITS HIS ULT
Vp had ultra space
Yup wth is this juno desicon making
MCD in a weak link off with tvnt
the finns and spaniards are making it to stockholm trust
Tvnt ia fine
Just mcd is wth
he has some feeding moments. he’s been stepping up now though especially this game
Nah man genuinely tilting having ult the whole fight and keeping it for too fucking long
Anyway
Needed to ult earlier
They should have bagrage orbital instanly
Mhm seriously
The math did infact math itself
No it’s smart to delay
Just not that long lol
And 5m > 5s
MCD casuing them two maps
Not good to delay if enemy juno is ulting
CX saying it’s VP clutching when it’s not. It’s just MCD no tilting on time
Tell mcd that sauna is 3% Chinese so he can lock in
i’m so close to the nighttime cat spray
hjahahaha
It’s good to kite and ult later. Same as better beat
emea is still so hype
Hard when overtime + vp had many ults
We understand. The kite was good but then he saved it for even longer. What is he waiting for?
can’t wait for na to be toilet bowl
Do any teams from NA/EU consistently beat, like, Zeta?
Nah I’m so mad! Only cuz tm had that and they lost cuz they trying to save ult for next map
Just once
Toronto had a life game against zeta
not consistently no
To throw
it was lenny time and viol2t shit himself on map 7
top of eu/na are around zeta level i think
I mean they had a bad defense tho
TM losing like this is depressing
Oh ence could totally compete with zeta. That’s why i wish korea had more slots
Toronto and ENCE SGG can maybe put up fight vs zeta or pk. But those teams won’t be there
yeah 2 slots for asia is so dumb
Ence vs Zeta……..would be too good
Would geniunely root for tm if they didnt have yubi
They held them for 5 mins. It was LAST fight and the kite was the right thing which they did but then DIDNT ULT BACK until way late. That’s why they lost
Cr and Flcns are too good for any of the teams to compete, maybe ence and toronto have a chance
Ence are insanely good at this meta and toronto made grand finals at ewc
I think its cr and falcons and then a tierbreak and then zeta and toronto and then another tierbreak for ence
FLC and CR are on their different league but other Korean teams are fair game
I think only ence can take a map tbh
that’s more than literally every other team
I think poker face and ence are quite equal no?
ence is on the same tier as zeta and toronto imp
imo*
They hve a weaker backline though
except ssg the london squad has beaten lip
Zeta is more with falcons and cr
definitely would be competitive
Wait brig Ana?
Quartz is like a mini lip where he gotta hard carry
Again?
maybe, its much better than their previous backlines though
Ehh
Nah. He’s a medium lip
Idk
Every korean team would be competitive with the top na/emea teams EXCEPT crazy raccoon and team falcons
They have a giant tier break
toronto is closest tho they took that map off cr
Trueeeeeeeee
Toronto top 3 and they're not 3
also let’s lock back into the game
GO NA
I hope orisa gets nerfed before Stockholm
🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
sauna is on tracer
i'd rly like to see ence vs toronto in stockholm
Zeta?
Equal
Tehy have gotten 3 2-3 matches
Toronto and zeta was the closest game between an na and kr team ever i swear to god
his tactics may be too complex for you
Sauna is getting farmed
What about 2019 shock
They had like 3 na players
Proof orbital ray>nano
Thank god we got raajaro on dva
I suppose
Crazy how that team felt more na than Toronto
Lenny is just that budget korean superstar isn’t he?
Super moth sinnatra we’re all demons
Super moth and who?
Sugarfree İsa tier below
And rupal i genuinely thought was korean when he was in mayhem i didn’t know his name and assumed LOL
Ohhhh that guy
vega is the most north american player on toronto i swear
He's just the worst player on that team in general
BLISS
what, the, actual, fuck is this macro from vp
unironically give me rak and ultraviolet for ms and double flex
then they’d truly compete with kr
Backcap from the Dva lmbao
shockwave back up man
Is his junk bad?
Even zen when he's not peaking lip
30 paces back please
Juno*
Imo tvnt potm if tm wins
twisted get it with 3s
vp had this in the bag
Virtus pro cap with six minutes this time?
what the fuck are they doing
Why this the best match of the week
Shockwave first picked twice in a row
sauna is on tracer
Tm pharah is good
sauna if you can hear me
Is he otp though?
you need to save the vp heads
Second best match
He is
save me
He plays Pharah echo
Fluffy Dreamland vs NRG is peak cinema and it hasn't even happened
Lhcloudy 👀
He can play echo
He needs more flexibility
Nrg 3-0
Nrg probably 3-0
Pge locks in
That’s my pred
Durpee better
He also played Bap in OWWC
They have attack in now
Ryan might cook tho
It’s 3-0
Idk
Only plays flyers
Tr33 is playing full time and attack is in
Flyers and whatever the team tells him to play lol
Tank and support too
They might play kellan
shockwave PLEASE play safely
RAJAROOOO
HE WAS BLIND??? WHY DIDNT HE TURN AROUND TVNT WAS 5hp
unc can’t see
??
Real
WHAT THE FUCK IS MCD ULTING 💀💀💀💀💀
where was that ray going HAHAHAHAH
His demons
nah get bro out my lobby
Viol2t method
raajaro dva = win
Oh no tm
sauna…
its fine galaa has ray
Tvnt tryna change teams mid game
Ok thats not bad
Sauna save me
Nerf quartz
weird ult
Quartz clutch
Orbtial advantage for tm
galaa has ray
bliss dead
Tvtn
Tvnt try not to feed on final fight
this is the hypest game of emea this stage by far
yes yesyes eysyesyesyesyesyesy
Why was TVNT so deep?
TM and zeta need a choking games competition
👀
he has no hands
I don’t know why
best game since stage 2 asia final
QUARTZ
This is for Stockholm?
yes
this game has got me walking around my room
Ence
ence ntmr ssg
Idk if ssg qualify what place they did stage 3
Who is 8th team
absolute eu cinema
HUGE
They qualify no matter what cause they are 2nd place ( for now) and even if for example twisted won/ virtus won the whole event they still qualify
YO this is not it
COME ON SHUT DOWN THE DPS
NICE WINNABLE NOW PUSH
Winable tm
Bro this widow duel is actually peak
Lbbd?
Brooooo
NOOOOOO
YES
LETS GO
LETS GOO
Gg
Lbbd7 feeding and they still win
Virtus come on what a throw to the season
What a match
Why was that better than ENCE vs ssg
He performed well overall
MCD was tm biggest issue
holy shit bro i almost lost it
ence was just better that series
TM almost got reversed sweep
OMG
He did but bro was hungry for that ult
that was too close!!!
Quartz carrying that shit
ffs they cant let Quartz get away with this
Raajaro carried
OMG
Is tm qualified
I forgot this game was to qualify to Stockholm
yeah
Y
So what 8 teams qualify. Toronot, NTMR, ENCE Sgg tm falcons cr and who is 8 th team
Yes
1 more spot for na so who knows
this match was honestly giving owl finals energy
probably shock though
Ah ok
Ain’t it losers bracket next
im actually fuckign pissed holy
Oh wow shock hasn’t qualified yet
Nrg or fluffy dreamland I think
Tsm has a chance too I believe
quartz widow diff though
Quartz dps diff
i dont understand how shockwave can play as a god against ssg and then play like this this series
He played decently
eh bro got hard diffed
extremely disappointing result and now its na slop
Sauna was worse imo
can it get any worse
fr the tracer did nothing to quartz widow
They couldn’t stop Pharah
I mean it’s all slop compared to my king Smurf the unc
smurf washed
Smurf the goat
Ssg sold the game are they still going to stock
i cant believe VP lost that
Eu will get curbstomped by Korea
yes
W hope they do better
ence ssg and tm are going to stockholm
Funnyastro my goat
?
Wait tm didn’t get it?
thy will be ahead of vp in circuit points now what do you mean
they need to play youbi for all 3 maps
That was loser bracket
so?
Wait so tm isn’t qualified
The winner of loser goes to gf
next game doesnt matter any way
He is trolling
Ok now my NA team bout to play
And who ever wins quals I think
Pge still in it right lol
Or has a chance
they tech have qual since they just need to play youbi for 3 even if they lose all 3 they qual.
They did. They have the third most points in EU
How are seeker and pge doing
No clue. I’m cheering for NTMR
Seeker is qualified
the system is fucked
Isn’t seeker on that team
Seeker is still not lethal and that’s all I care about
Seeker my king tho
And pge my queen
I don’t dislike him
They r really funny
But he’s still not lethal
Never watched the streams
He’s on that team tho right
He is. I’m convinced he’s much better than seeker after his performance in FACEIT gf
I don’t really care I just like that he’s on a good team same with pge
As clarified on broadcast: Due to @LBBD7_ playing more maps than @Youbi_OW this stage, @TwisMinds are not technically qualified for the #OWCSFinals - yet. To qualify, TM must either:
🔹 Field Youbi in their match against SSG
🔹 Defeat SSG, regardless of their starting roster
what i said
So they just play him and they gold
wait
That’s so weird it works like that
this is even more fucked
i hope the math maths out
commanderx saying they forgot to count a map lol
Everyone has to play a min amount of mayches
Dude the rule is so fucking shit
theres a chance youbi need to wina map vs ssg for them to qual
Lbbd7 isn’t new. He’s been on the team the whole time
Why does that even matter
Idk it just the rules
It’s their roster some players are niche hero specialist
wait
this might be peak
if its true
imagine the pressure if they need to take a map with youbi
I mean TM just gonna field youbi
god this circuit point creaters need to be imprisoned
Dot they need to take a map?
yes maybe
i dont think commanderx is sure?
they have some dude typing
someone is calculating this live
the guy calculating is an ow staff i thin
2/3 of my teams are through
Or they win regardless of starting roster
nah thats so bs cant lie
It’s so they can’t make a dominant team for the whole tournament
And everyone has to play
yeah
No, it’s so you don’t buy players from other team just to fuck over the other team. But that doesn’t apply to tm cuz lbbd7 has been on the team since forever
He never played for any other team
Then idk could be a contract issue
No, it’s a dumb rule. It should’ve had conditions
Then conditions get exploited that’s the point of a rule
“Sorry he hasn’t played enough maps” yeah that would make sense if the player is new form another team but he has been on TM since owl.
No, it would not fuck over the teams that didn’t exploit the rule.
It would only be exploit if he was from another team
The whole point of the rule is to protect the competition from being rigged in anyway
But it don’t matter cause all teams know before hand
They can still qualify
It’s to protect it from teams that say “oh this team has a really good player that would cause us problems. Let’s get him and bench him” that’s why the rule is a thing. But it fucks over teams that have players like lbbd7 who has been on TM for years. Never been on another team. So the rule doesn‘t protect anyone there, it just fucks over the ones who deserve to go.
lol
should they play youbi or play lbbd7 and try to win?
TM should focus on Saudi eleague now
They play lbbd7 and try and win to qualify
Against who?
w strat
Did you see their last match against them?
Always a chance
Oh that’s it? Ok nvm then. It’s Ez for tm
TM being cucked by the rules is such a classic by now
Peak is here 🔥🔥🔥
They either play the other guy 4 matches or win regardless of the roster
So they have to go 3-1 with Youbi to qualify?
At least
Good luck to TM. That’s all I can say
No they qualify if they play him for 4 games regardless if they win I think
oh
They better call ksaa and ask for a map
Because only three go to stockhold
well yea that means they need to win or draw a map with youbi no?
No
otherwise it will just be 3 maps
They technically qualify if the rule isn’t a thing so if they play him for 4 they should technically qualify
yes he needs to play 4 maps
Because it’s just a finals for better placement at stockhold
Why is Ryan not in
and if ssg wins every map he only plays 3
Correct
Yes
I understand that he needs to play 4 maps but like I said. That shouldn’t be a thing in the first place. Especially after beating the team you were tied with
Idk why it effects him but new info may come out later
I doubt it. Unless they change the rule for it to be fair or nothing changes
i would be very surprised if blizzard intervenes
This is their only tournament. They should change their rule
maybe saudi bribes them with oil money? :p
Bro
Lol
i can see both sides but they will probably get backlash if they change the rules to deliberately help a team
They have three maps to try and win
its def still possible
Most definitely
it will be difficult though
they lost 3-1 with lbbd7
did nrg get the worst korean tanks oat xd
I mean attack has to play orisa bc Kellan is a fraud Winston otp
When ur main tank is benched to put ur off tank on orisa something is wrong
Only team that can do tht is zeta bc Bernar is the horse goat
Omg pge
My goat
pge goat
W brig/ball/zen comp
bro took sombra actually plat gameplay
haha
Why is fluffy winning
They got lijiang first map
pge moment
They started tracer widow ball
But overtime forced sum swaps
i think ultarviolet waited to get his transcendence out
First point was good but now NRG are getting rolled
so whats the issue why does nrg keep losing against these guys
i lowkey took a nice nap
and now my shock is losing to what team
in the lower bracket
fluffy
and ultraviolet ded
how the actual fuck are they getting spawn held on gibraltar
Idc about NA. Only NTMR baby
is shock doesnt qualify for worlds
why ntmr? :p
So if I need to watch 8 hours to get all the drops and I’ve been watching for 8 hours and my 8 hour drop is at 76%. How long have I been watching for?
ryan
Bro
Because I have a team for each region and NTMR is my NA team
Get kellan out
around 6 hours i think
Why do we keep playing him
Attack i miss u
Pge speedrun
Checks out
im rooting for them as well because i like infekted
What is happening
Wheres attack
Yeah admiral was the person that made me cheer for them at the start and now they’re my team.
Put him back in
Dude
Fries in the bag @kellan
This guy is so ass
Kellen paid actor?
Dreamland needs an org
Fries in the bag nuggets in the friar
They genuinely can’t do anything. Without a tank
GG come back
Just off the team PLEASE
He is indeed a felon bro is commiting mass acts of elo terrorism
kellan
Maybe kellan was the problem on TM
I don’t like talking smack about kellan. I like him.
@Caster kappa that’s all kellan
I do
why wasn’t kellan running the ball zen brig comp at the end
Unless we making fun of PGE then all for it baby
It was working
did it fail earlier
Straight ass
I miss vigilante
I’m trying to get the vigilante title
Kellan is a nice guy but like
if fluffy dreamland 3-0’s nrg shock i’m killing myself
He just can’t play …
how do you get it
You have to reach lvl 50 on solider
that will take some time
I’m gonna turn this stream off before I see nrg get swept
How did we go from glazing the shit out of kellan during stage 3
Who’s we
To him fucking feeding
I knew kellan was ass
His primals used to be deadly
When?
stage 3 bro
Mhm. Thankfully for some reason my solider already level 12
don’t play around he was good
His most known moments is him getting his shatter blocked
By a mei ice wall im@pretty sure
no he shattered into a wall 90° away from the other tank
not a mei wall
Bro was good for 3 matches I fear
Pge core
Shock core atp
Okay nrg PLEASE JUST DONT FRAUD
Might be the most inconsistent team in na
There isn’t a more inconsistent team in the world
Can’t even say it’s all his fault when no one on the team is doing anything
Just a team diff
yes
Nrg losing cuz rak hanging out in main stream instead of warming up
I’ll ping you if it’s a 3-2 or 2-3 but if it’s not
LESSGOOOOOO. Ez win for NTMR
hahahahaahha
13 hp is crazy
orisa diffed
Why did attack want that fight win anyway
mtd
Attack only good on JQ? Might have to play that instead
He's an off tank player he should be on jq dva etc
But he's in on orisa bc Kellan is that ass
Orisa
do we want kellan on LOL
Orisa is main tank? Nah
Orisa isn't an off tank
kellan is a winston ball otp at best
Both tanks are ass ngl
Attack never played this hero before ow2 I promise
orisa is a main tank
infekted is a hundred times the tank he ever was
Actually I don't think attack played this hero before this stage
He plays ram, mauga, winton, ball, rein, and sigma. Those are the tanks I’ve seen him play the most.
that’s actually all infekted
Do you guys think TM could take a map off SSG with Youbi in?
kellan plays ball and winston pretty good and that’s it
Kellan.
is kellan a winston otp or a ball otp LOL
and that’s generous
infekted plays those heroes and wins unlike kellan
i actually can’t forgive this guy
Infekted has a better team
No
PGE is
Kellan might as well play mauga or ram at this point. They’re better than his orisa
pge honestly isnt that bad
I’m actually
Nrg frauds
max verstappen?
No ball swap?
Free uv
Pred: Donghak is signed stage 1 season two
Nice. I get to watch NTMR sooner
Pge is replaced with ans
Pge didn’t even need to throw this one
God I hate that guy.
We shoot kellan with a barrage
why?
nrg shock take first season two
PGE retirement looking real I fear
Cuz Alfonzo all the way
Perez is better as well
acceptable
Max is just a dick. He’s such a child. He complains and tells his team not to let Perez pass him.
What a man child
Is fluffy going to Stockholm?
no i don't think they have enough circuit points
Kellen was the worst performer by far
unless they win the entire thing
No, they need to win.
NRG SHOCK roster 2025:
Donghak, Hawk
Ans, Tr33, []Scissors
Ultraviolet, Rakattack, Cal
no leaks tho
Who is next
TD v NTMR