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sullen berry
He’s been on AVRL’s irl streams when in Korea
glass sleet
Nice
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C9
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They held it
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Zeta always does the dumbest shit
Like violet wth was that
C9
Bro
💀
PELICAN
weary scarab
orisa seem to be good again
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Please no
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If kr plays orisa everyone will trend follow
Meaning high elo will start locking orisa
And then I have to deal with orisa again
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Guys
I think pelican
Is washed
Knife is in
Nvm
What lol
FLORA
Bro who woke up heesang
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Yeah king’s row is all Lip
sullen berry
So this is why todays matches are dunning behind schedule
How many maps did it go for Falcons vs Poker Face?
sullen berry
yeah i figured there was some kind of tech/production issue causing the delay instead of a long map 5
this is a first, clash map 5 decider - compared to the 99DIVINE speedrun I hope this is longer
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Clash is crazy
sullen berry
we haven't seen enough on broadcast that aren't shutouts
sullen berry
defense on final point for ZD won't be nearly as fast
sullen berry
pack it up
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Violet has died first so many times
sullen berry
Heesang isn't even being stopped rn
only when they could take him out was there a comeback
that means Zeta can't lose twice
now this is finally a competitive clash
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Oh thats very good
sullen berry
match point for Crazy Raccoons
I can see zeta trying their hardest on this potential last point
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They have the blizzard
They stopped blade
Kinda
It created hella space
Oh my
This is
Something
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ITS NOT OVER
sullen berry
funny watching chat seeing clash being broadcasted as intended
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Damn
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Orisa genji Cass mirror
Brother where you been
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Gg
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Brother where you been
In bed
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Gg
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I got my drops tho 🔥
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Gg
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Did lip play every game?
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Yes
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I missed 2 maps
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They added knife for no reason
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They added knife for no reason
Tbf it looks like the meta read changed after yesterday
Bro how tall is lip actually
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Lip is 8 ft 6?
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99 and lazuli some of the best teams outside of Korea right?
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Colorhex finally stopped grinding ladder
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Cooked
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Wait I think it was light
They don't look similar but they got the same hairstyle
tbf I never seen light before
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Light mogs his team ngl
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R3k kinda nasty with it
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Juno zen mei on Gibraltar is definitely something
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OWCSLE 22 1/8
🟩🟩🟩🟩
owcsle.xyz
a certain person spoiled it for me while i was just scrolling twitter
||rupal so fucked up i hate getting spoilers||
https://x.com/owcesports/status/1839542989334679995?s=46 good drops now
Twitter
urban turret
why isnt croatia in the overwatch e-sports?
tawny bluff
So no Juno drops yet?
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We got some decent matches today for na eu
Cn vs tsm
Ntmr vs rammatra (troll matchup lol)
Tm vs poc should be interesting and maybe vp vs aoma
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Twitter
weary scarab
https://x.com/spacestation/status/1839699007884374411?s=46
hope he streams the owcs game today too
this was so funny 😂
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this was so funny 😂
this was in unter’s chat
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Ksaa just might be the best eu tank
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get it? because they are quick esports!!!!
Anyway strebor is turbofeeding his only beat of the first round didn’t hit hitori. no healing for ken. gg
glass sleet
Or am I racist
Yes
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Ksaa just might be the best eu tank
Might?
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Tm vs poc should be interesting and maybe vp vs aoma
Tm not playing today
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https://x.com/owcesports/status/1839542989334679995?s=46 good drops now
WHY THE FUCK DO THE FACES NOT CHANGE
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?
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It really does
hybrid hollow
They should just make them orange
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My favorite epic skins for echo all have different faces
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do iwl skins do that
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They should just make them orange
Or black
hybrid hollow
do iwl skins do that
nope
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do iwl skins do that
They don’t and that’s why they suck
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sad
That’s why echo is like the worst owl hero to get skins for. it’s just one color
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Hunters echo should be gold face
Sorry guys, I’m teaching my autocorrect that “hunters” is a word
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hangzhou echo and echo’s rare 75 coin pink skin is almost identical
glass sleet
Idk which one that is
My favorite echo skin is slime queen
Her face is fucking cute
torn portal
Idk which one that is
rose i think
sullen berry
Stare
watching clash in EU just confirms that Clash is the TikTok game mode for gamers who don't have the attention span for flashpoint
walking across the map is shorter
matches that go 3-1 are more intense than any paris game I've ever watched during OWL
hardy sluice
watching clash in EU just confirms that Clash is the TikTok game mode for gamers...
Real shit
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it’s so ass
sullen berry
it's just comically funny to watch
because you can tell one team will be more co-ordinated than the other
Korea game spoilers ||between Raccoons and Zeta Division drawed on map 4 and instead of picking flashpoint Zeta chose Hanaoka and lost 3-1 the score doesn't say anything, that game|| looked like a fun match
sullen berry
watch it from map 2
Zeta Division vs Crazy Raccoons was intense
Poker Face vs Falcons had delays between maps but was also a good matchup
solid boop from VP
HD livestreams on Twitter?
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1yoJMylBEAYJQ
hybrid hollow
Is this the first time the observers didn't use the default crosshair
wise orbit
?????
wise orbit
kass
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This wraps
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i just hope srpc beat hypnos so we might see hadi vs lhcloudy
young fractalBOT
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first choke on midtown is no joke bru
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Ksaa does not seem to be washed
sullen berry
Ksaa does not seem to be washed
As validated by Hadi himself who was benched amd costreaming spacestation yesterday
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I asked yesterday but who are best teams from N.A. and EU region
NA is Toronto right
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As validated by Hadi himself who was benched amd costreaming spacestation yester...
Fr
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Is ENCE or space station better
Not sure
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Is ENCE or space station better
i think they are pretty equal
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i think they are pretty equal
But they best EU teams?
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yes
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toronto ssg and ence are best in the west
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toronto ssg and ence are best in the west
Ima start watching some more EU and N.A.
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i think ssg will win this stage they are probably stronger than ence in this meta
paper totem
I just don’t care for any of the teams much yet
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i prefer emea since its more competitive than na
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i prefer emea since its more competitive than na
I only really watch Korea
I love lip and proper
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Any other good N.A. teams
Nrg but they aint as good as toronot
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Nrg but they aint as good as toronot
Ah kk I’ll keep an eye out
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Ima start watching some more EU and N.A.
atp overwatch has some good breakdown videos about emea and na
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Zeta will get their revenge on cr
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Zeta will get their revenge on cr
Zeta is very solid
Capable of beating both falcons and cr
Violet started a u tube btw lol
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ntmr is also a good na team
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Zeta is very solid
Yes but they always throw
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i like infekted so they are probably my favorite na team
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Violet started a u tube btw lol
Fr
glass sleet
An hour break? Lol
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bru they could've done tm vs piece of cake
They didn’t think games would end so quickly
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ig
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They didn’t think games would end so quickly
Especially two teams that close in skill level
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Especially two teams that close in skill level
Who…?
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POC and TM
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they didnt play today
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POC and TM
It wasn’t close at all last time they played
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It wasn’t close at all last time they played
fdgod fault #Serious
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fdgod fault #Serious
You think new backline is better?
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i think its better
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They got first in the swiss stage at least so we know for a fact they aren’t frauding out
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also didnt tm almost get beaten by 16th seed yesterday?
weary scarab
It wasn’t close at all last time they played
they have mcd now tho
massive downgrad
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massive downgrad
Yeah but me hoping MCD and Bliss synergy from Dallas fuel days help
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also didnt tm almost get beaten by 16th seed yesterday?
Other team played well tbh
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also didnt tm almost get beaten by 16th seed yesterday?
negative mental attitude took them to map five
org’less b,c,d e squad team was giving them the smoke
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Nah why is Lenny dodging shiki
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Is lenny actually busy or are they gonna bm this entire series by keeping danny in
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Danny the goat
Okay checked xavier’s stream and The Offical Toronto Twitch said that lenny is having a family emergency
so
danny actually playing
balmy hound
Who is Danny
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Nah this the best team in na??
For real
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What is going on
balmy hound
Did I just see a team using Hanzo win a round???
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why is toronto's analyst in
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why is toronto's analyst in
Lenny has family issues to attend to
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Danny on the tracer
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Lenny has family issues to attend to
Actually?
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Lenny has family issues to attend to
hope bro's doin okay
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why is toronto's analyst in
Wait what
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I mean
balmy hound
That’s actually their analyst??
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That’s actually their analyst??
Yeah
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Danny in and Vega not on illari safe to say it's joever
balmy hound
My 60 FPS Soldier would have cooked
balmy hound
Danny in and Vega not on illari safe to say it's joever
Definitely
I heard Vega is a main support that can’t really play main support
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who is danny?
balmy hound
NTMR vs Toronto Defiant finals?
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Who is Danny
he helps with analysis and coaching but is also listed as a sub
imagine toronto somehow lose this and then like idk nrg has to go against toronto immediately
hybrid hollow
Shikigami is significantly better this stage tho
Picked up the Korean dps line and fleta as a coach
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fleta is coaching them? lol
balmy hound
So Danny is the Overwatch version of Kendall Hinton
Ok yeah
NRG Shock vs Toronto
Finals
balmy hound
Have we ever seen a role swap in OW esports?
hybrid hollow
Nah wtf
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Have we ever seen a role swap in OW esports?
yeah
Danteh and fleta were dps players then played tank for ow2
errant hornet
wait what happened to SugarFree XD
hybrid hollow
Also goats had a few dps players on zar or brig
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wait what happened to SugarFree XD
family emergency
errant hornet
Istg I musta missed osmething
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family emergency
oooo
unlucky
well
toronto might be cooked this game
ok but you surley cap 2nd against fucking danny torb
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legacy danny performance 🗣️
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toronto defiant himself is calling my bluff
Get that wallet ready bud
Bc it's gonna happen
Danny for MVP 🗣️
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ik hes not a player but
how tf does he not have torb ult
after 3 fights into orisa
XD
HUGE TORB ULT
RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Wait Danny is craked
errant hornet
Danny may take a bajillion years to charge an ult
but when he releases his load its everywhere on my screen
to say the least
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Wow toronto is shi
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Vega throwing
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Bro became addicted to illari
errant hornet
they have a torb who presses shift in a 3v5
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He’s half a player
errant hornet
hes good XD
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He’s not
errant hornet
but he is
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Na Danny did more then merit
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like idk why people overhate him so hard
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Hes a main support who can’t play main support
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errant hornet
he had one rough lan then ig hes perma ass
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His only saving grace is Illari
errant hornet
illari isn't a completely irrelevant hero for one
having a good ilari is good
esp when its not hard rush only (which you can force in NA)
two his main support is fine
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Having a good main support is better
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illari isn't a completely irrelevant hero for one
She still being used
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Having a good main support is better
Yea
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Vega is the weak link of the team
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Idk why he doesent play juno
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And compared to na he looks good yea
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But that’s also bc he’s surrounded by na best
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idk if they trust rupal brig
I was thinking kiri juno
errant hornet
like u shit talk vega as an illari otp but half of the other main supports are just lucio otps
funnyastro not on lucio is like -500 aura esp
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Is juno main or flex support?
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flex
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Atleast he’s a main support tho
errant hornet
difference is that not all main support players are great at brig
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He’s ass at them
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like u shit talk vega as an illari otp but half of the other main supports are j...
Tbh na doesent have better than vega
errant hornet
not saying she is
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but illari is needed in those double flex comps
having a main support player who can play it
is very very valuable
and his main support isn't THAT bad
its not the best
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It’s that bad
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but its way overhated
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His brig is alright
But his lucio
Is complete shit
And I haven’t seen much of his Juno vs an actual good team
errant hornet
that hero is so fucking easy
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In theory he should be good at juno cuz he has good mechanics
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Nah Raymono swapped Kiri and got a 4k to clutch the game
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Yea
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Bro was held back by juno
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He should never pick up the juno again
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Raymomo and simple on Juno were complete shit
Yea simple was lacking
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Tor forced to run Ana Illari every match gg
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Bro kinda threw against falcons
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Missing out on that defensive ult
errant hornet
I mean tor will be fine at least for NA once sugarfree is back
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He sold 2 points
Ye
errant hornet
u cannot win without a real flex dps rn
it really doesn't matter who else you have
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Especially since the other fdps isn't a bum na player
errant hornet
like flex dps is too important
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I mean tor will be fine at least for NA once sugarfree is back
They losign to shikigami
Thats bad
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It doesn’t help that merit can’t play flex to save his life
-2 players
2 and a half
Merit is asleep half the time
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they literally have
Ik thags the point
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And Vega is Vega
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They losign to shikigami
shikigami with taejong bullying Danny
errant hornet
if u think that they ever win against anyone without sugarfree rn obv thats not realistic
to then turn it into "vega is the problem" is so random for that game XD
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They migth not qualify to playoffs
errant hornet
like he is just rent free in ur head its crazy
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They have enough points
Still losing money
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to then turn it into "vega is the problem" is so random for that game XD
Hating on Vega until Toronto wins
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🤑
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They dunked all over na and are up by like 400 points
errant hornet
I dont even think hes the best main support easily but idk what its like to be this level of a professional hater
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When in doubt blame vega
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When in doubt blame vega
🔥🔥
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I'll stop the Vega hate one day
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vega could literally get 8 5ks in a row and solo win a map and some mf would go "well he ajaxed beat like a month ago"
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Unfortunately they’re only allowed 2 import slots
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Idk when that day is tho
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So they can’t get another ms
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vega could literally get 8 5ks in a row and solo win a map and some mf would go ...
ONG
ACTUALLY ME
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Stuck with Vega
errant hornet
So they can’t get another ms
you wouldn't import a main support
thats just a waste
of an import slot
even with an extra
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I mean I'll take a extra fdps if we had 3 slots
errant hornet
yeah id rather a 2nd fdps
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but if we had 4 Vega is out the door
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mer1t is good but hes kinda a hitscan only player
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hes fine lmfao
He is fine but his main support skill aint good enougth to beat korean teams
hybrid hollow
actually if we had 4 slots Vega would just be the majed of Toronto
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He is fine but his main support skill aint good enougth to beat korean teams
I don’t even think they beat ence or ssg ngl
Maybe ssg
But they have ksaa now
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I don’t even think they beat ence or ssg ngl
Ssg is stronger cuz ksaa
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He is fine but his main support skill aint good enougth to beat korean teams
he can play his role vs korean teams, its less so individual skill moreso CR and Falcons (depending on the meta) being unbeatable for the west
imo
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Could *
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U could argue ssg>ence
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I think it goes either way
errant hornet
Falcons is more meta dependent tho
they LOVE the hard rush metas
but beyond that tbh CR is just better
generally
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Between no ms and merit only playing hs they’re cooked tho
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Honestly I hate Vega on Lucio
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Honestly I hate Vega on Lucio
LeeJaeGon level of feeding
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Falcons is more meta dependent tho
Falcons are chokers cr dont choke
hybrid hollow
He's been solid on everything else but imma still hate
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I gotta see the Vega Juno
errant hornet
Falcons are chokers cr dont choke
less about choking more for whatever reason that team is god at rush
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LeeJaeGon level of feeding
leejaegon feeding but without any of the highs
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If he can actually play Juno and not be a vegetable
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and then not rush is like beatable
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toronto goes clash and momentum boosts to a reverse sweep?
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I hope a eu team will beat a korean team this time
Like the top 3
Cuz ssg was kinda closw
Last time
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Map picking starting now 5m break again
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Zeta ain’t making it to lan tho
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Forgot
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Or would they have Rupal on the Juno and Vega on the brig
They can't do that bc Rupal has to flex to ana and Kiri
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Zeta ain’t making it to lan tho
Well dont speak to soon
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Violet just gets a little silly sometimes
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They will get revenge on cr
errant hornet
a little
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Dude violet is so washwd
hybrid hollow
Asia only has 2 spots still right?
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Yea
errant hornet
Leejaegon died so Viol2t could fly (on lucio)
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His aim isnt washed but his brain is
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Unc status
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Yeah zeta might be stuck in Korea I fear
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eh his illari aim tbh is kinda ass
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its kinda impressive
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If they had a team to beat it be falcons
hybrid hollow
eh his illari aim tbh is kinda ass
It is but it isn't
His illari is actually so confusing
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I don’t see them beating cr
errant hornet
no but its not completely uncompetitive maybe?
hybrid hollow
He would miss every ult but build an ult every fight sm
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His illari is actually so confusing
His mid fight value is good but the ult ussage is stupid
errant hornet
I feel like Falcons and CR might be closer rn cause of how the meta is
this is like a mega falcons meta
minus ig fielder stuck on brig
which isnt the most ideal
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Both falcons and cr looked kinda rusty tho ngl
errant hornet
yeah but this is a weird meta for korea
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Falcons almost lost 2 maps to pf
hybrid hollow
Korea not on dive is beatable
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And cr was struggling vs bleed. They still 3-0 but like
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I feel like Falcons and CR might be closer rn cause of how the meta is
Idk falcons were struggling against proud widow
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It wasn’t clean
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Idk falcons were struggling against proud widow
Proud was fucking shit up
hybrid hollow
Idk falcons were struggling against proud widow
Proud is kinda crazy tho
errant hornet
yeah
and its widow like
sometimes u can be the most shit player and have the legacy widow performance
hybrid hollow
It's not like every new player is supposed to be horrible
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Proud is kinda crazy tho
Proper didnt even try to mirror instead he kept playing sombra
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Proper didnt even try to mirror instead he kept playing sombra
aura diff
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Thats what scarea me
errant hornet
proper sombra is cursed
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Proper with that gold counter swap mentality
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Proud was getting god tier peels
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Proper with that gold counter swap mentality
"they have queen, I shall go zarya"
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Counter swaping only worked in like owl
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He was actually doing wonders 90% of the time
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Now it doesent
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But when it mattered most to finish the map off he sold
errant hornet
Counter swaping only worked in like owl
even then it was only in certain metas
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even then it was only in certain metas
Yea
errant hornet
now it kinda can but the meta has to be more flexible comp wise
its kinda a hard rush meta
u aren't making specific counterswaps as much unless u are in korea and enemy team is named belosrea forcing ball
or CR
on some maps its not crazy to see random shit to try and force out the ball comp
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now it kinda can but the meta has to be more flexible comp wise
I dont think so yes u can play other tanks but counter swap is not effektiv
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Belo on the ball was lowkey nasty
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Chazm still the goat
errant hornet
I dont think so yes u can play other tanks but counter swap is not effektiv
it really depends tho
like different tanks can counter out different comps
its not like a "I see X I go Y"
but more around comps
so like historically doom was good into ram (not now cause of a million factors)
just as an example
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but more around comps
Uh ye and a whole comp swap = L ult economy
errant hornet
usually but you can do it if u do it right
like gradually swap, or just after 1st fight
or after big ult dump
there are timings
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usually but you can do it if u do it right
Ig if u know all ults have been used for the enemy
errant hornet
it is rough but happens
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the goat of deadlock
Yes sir
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I love deadlock
game is so fun
lmfao
I haven't played a ton yet but its peak
its like crack but cooler
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Are they waiting for sugarfree to come back?
hybrid hollow
HES BACK
WHEN THE MARTIANS HAVE THE DEATH BEAM POINTED AT EARTH
GIVE ME SUGARFREE
errant hornet
put danny back in
ffs
Danny wins these
wow crazy they aren't losing without a 4v5
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Are they waiting for sugarfree to come back?
Isn’t it kinda weird
glass sleet
wow crazy they aren't losing without a 4v5
CR would win 4v5
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I’d argue it breaks the competitive integrity of the match if you pause way over the limit because your player is late
You have a sub player you should play your sub
glass sleet
You have a sub player you should play your sub
Danny is the manager
You should FF then
torn portal
Danny is the manager
Just cus danny is gold doesn’t mean he isn’t listed as a substitute btw. look at every roster showcase of TD and he’s in the bottom right
hybrid hollow
You have a sub player you should play your sub
He's only sub for emergencies every team has someone on the team player or not who can sub in so they don't get disqualified
glass sleet
“Guys guys we can’t have our best NA team lose. Let’s give them 30 min break” so bs
glass sleet
Just cus danny is gold doesn’t mean he isn’t listed as a substitute btw. look at...
I’ve never seen him
torn portal
I’ve never seen him
he’s always been there
hybrid hollow
And I don't think there's a rule against it either
hybrid hollow
I’ve never seen him
He played a map on stage 2
torn portal
There are pause limits
hybrid hollow
Yeah but it wasn't a pause it was after the map ended
glass sleet
The “excuse” is that they used up all their break time
So they will not get any more time
hybrid hollow
Idk if they have rules against that since anything can happen
glass sleet
You can’t say “guys wait our player isn’t here” that’s bs
Too fucking bad. Put your sub in and play
hybrid hollow
I mean if ur sub is only there so you don't get disqualified I think it's fair
glass sleet
I love CX always plays ads mid game
torn portal
So they will not get any more time
Fineeeee i guess
hybrid hollow
If it was an actual player I would say it's bs
torn portal
I love CX always plays ads mid game
This is why i watch unter more often
glass sleet
I mean if ur sub is only there so you don't get disqualified I think it's fair
No, it’s not fair. That’s the sun you chose. You have many to get whoever the fuck you want. Saying he’s gold he can’t play is an ugly excuse
torn portal
If it was an actual player I would say it's bs
If i was shikigami id be livid
glass sleet
Oh nice I only missed 90% cuz of the fucking ad
hybrid hollow
No, it’s not fair. That’s the sun you chose. You have many to get whoever the fu...
I mean why spend money for a good emergency sub for something that'll probably never happen again
It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things
glass sleet
I mean why spend money for a good emergency sub for something that'll probably n...
That really doesn’t matter. If that’s the case then everyone should do that.
glass sleet
It doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things
That doesn’t matter
That genuinely doesn’t matter
You are responsible no matter what excuse you use
hybrid hollow
They took responsibility by being down 2 maps minus a player
glass sleet
That’s not responsibility. That’s accountability for not planning emergency subs
You didn’t get a 6th player? Don’t complain when you need a sub
hybrid hollow
I mean they didn't complain
They literally lost until Lenny came back
it's not like they were begging or anything "hey our player is back in like 30m let's use all the break time we have to make sure we get him back in time"
glass sleet
They literally lost until Lenny came back
No they didn’t lose till he came back. They took a 30 minute pause so they don’t lose. They stopped the series for a player
glass sleet
it's not like they were begging or anything "hey our player is back in like 30m ...
“Using break time isn’t a thing”
hybrid hollow
No they didn’t lose till he came back. They took a 30 minute pause so they don’t...
I mean yeah but clearly it isn't against the rules
glass sleet
You don’t have 30 mins that you just spread across the series
hybrid hollow
well whatever they did clearly it wasn't a violation
glass sleet
I mean yeah but clearly it isn't against the rules
Unless it is. How many times have teams broken the rules and gotten away with it
glass sleet
I swear if this happens to be fucking special treatment, I’m suing blizz
hybrid hollow
If it happens multiple times then atp it's not a rule
errant hornet
a team is only the sum of all of its parts
its one thing to have a shit pro player
glass sleet
Nah CR could definitely win
errant hornet
its another thing to have a shit non pro player
glass sleet
They don’t even need a gold player
errant hornet
im glad you confidently think that
hybrid hollow
I swear if this happens to be fucking special treatment, I’m suing blizz
I mean I'm pretty sure they'll do the same for another team
glass sleet
Just straight up 4 players only
errant hornet
its ok to be wrong though
its possible but not likely
that much of a difference is really fucking hard to make up
glass sleet
It’s very possible
errant hornet
especially on a role like flex dps
hybrid hollow
Just straight up 4 players only
Yeah let's beat seojun and taejong with a gold torb otp that has no idea what to do
Without Lenny taejong gets the whole map for free
torn portal
toronto won two maps in less time than they paused for to wait on lenny
errant hornet
idk why this is controversial
glass sleet
They spawn camp top EU teams in brawl comps. That’s what EU plays and knows how to play
They can definitely win
errant hornet
They spawn camp top EU teams in brawl comps. That’s what EU plays and knows how ...
how is this even relevant
to anything that was said
lmfao
glass sleet
Yeah let's beat seojun and taejong with a gold torb otp that has no idea what to...
That’s your problem for only having 5 players. You have the money to get one extra.
You CHOSE to have 5 only
errant hornet
That’s your problem for only having 5 players. You have the money to get one ext...
oh yeah ow has a ton of money going around rn
glass sleet
oh yeah ow has a ton of money going around rn
Defiant does
errant hornet
you would be suprised
glass sleet
Do you see how the players live
errant hornet
not amazing XD
hybrid hollow
Toronto has money but to sign another player that will only play on one or two occasions???
That just isn't smart
static turret
Toronto has money but to sign another player that will only play on one or two o...
Free contract
glass sleet
They got their own gaming house, they take boot camps to Korea, and they get paid more than every other team besides maybe falcons
errant hornet
they get paid more because they have 5
getting 6 is a lot more money to spend
you would prob cut down on one part of that
which the team obv doesn't want
static turret
How much money you think they make
glass sleet
One player isn’t gonna stop them from having all the shit they do
hybrid hollow
look at nrg they have more players but they all get paid less
errant hornet
One player isn’t gonna stop them from having all the shit they do
bro its an extra whole player salary
that will make a dent
hybrid hollow
Toronto maybe 50k
errant hornet
to pretend it won't is silly
static turret
I’m guessing the org pays for their house
errant hornet
unless toronto is willing to spend a lot more extra (which for ow esports isn't really fair to assume anyone just will)
hybrid hollow
And a lot of Toronto money comes from cod right?
errant hornet
its not like saudi who has oil money
glass sleet
look at nrg they have more players but they all get paid less
Yeah they have 8. That’s 3 more than defiant but that’s 3 more not 1 more
glass sleet
its not like saudi who has oil money
You know falcons is owned by a guy right? Not the government
hybrid hollow
Yeah they have 8. That’s 3 more than defiant but that’s 3 more not 1 more
1-3 it doesn't matter all those players have a role
errant hornet
you know that guy is connected to oil money right?
hybrid hollow
Paying an extra salary for a one time thing is stupid
glass sleet
1-3 it doesn't matter all those players have a role
Yea it matters.
glass sleet
you know that guy is connected to oil money right?
How so
Explain to me how an org owner is connected to the oil money.
I’d love to know
I didn’t know government is throwing money at its people damn sign me up
static turret
Rich Saudi people
glass sleet
Ofc
static turret
Investing in ow
glass sleet
Every Saudi is rich
static turret
Idk about government tho
errant hornet
rich saudi guy whos creative agency directly works for oil companies and has larger investors with oil connections
its all Saudi oil money
glass sleet
They’re born with oil money coming out of their diapers
glass sleet
rich saudi guy whos creative agency directly works for oil companies and has lar...
What’s the name of the company
I’ll look it up
errant hornet
its like 80% AT LEAST of that countries economy
glass sleet
👂🏻
hybrid hollow
Idk about government tho
Wasn't ewc connect to the Saudi government directly?
static turret
Idk
hybrid hollow
I might be wrong
static turret
I just know they got rich Saudi folks paying
Which is why the prize pool was like 300k
hybrid hollow
Anyways look at Lenny go
errant hornet
from what I know its hte Falcons Creative Group (I think?)
errant hornet
the much more dircet connection is to other saudi organizations though
namely the STC group
glass sleet
Wasn't ewc connect to the Saudi government directly?
The event was made by the government but TM and Falcons aren’t owned by the government. It’s just business men running them like any other org
static turret
250k prize pool for owcs kinda sad ngl
errant hornet
and generally the fact that many of their donors just aren't explicitly stated is pretty leading that they are funded at least partially by Saudi Royal connections (similarly to a lot of other larger Saudi investments)
static turret
And it’s sad that outside of like the top 3 teams in each region the rest of the comp is just non existent (besides Korea)
errant hornet
Furthermore for direct esports connections you have the Saudi Esports Federation
glass sleet
Wiki says that The organization's financial backers have not been formally announced, though Nicholas Taifalos of Dot Esports wrote that "it is believed [the org has] connections with the Saudi royal family".[9]
errant hornet
And it’s sad that outside of like the top 3 teams in each region the rest of the...
basically
errant hornet
Wiki says that The organization's financial backers have not been formally annou...
yeah but tbf to them the same is true for a lot of other Saudi companies
its not a Falcons specific thing
nor is it even a Saudi specific thing
I wouldn't push nearly as hard on the Saudi Royal thing
idk enough about that directly but it wouldn't really be the MOST suprising thing given how much money and backing they consistently get
which is not exactly the most common for an esports org let alone one that is only mostly recently relevant at all
glass sleet
Sometimes Saudi orgs get support from rich Saudi people out of “love” they’re not owners or anything
Just a fucking fan
errant hornet
yeah hence why I dont push too hard on the Saudi royal connection
glass sleet
which is not exactly the most common for an esports org let alone one that is on...
Falcons been around since 16?
Maybe 17
errant hornet
yeah but only recently have they blown up
glass sleet
yeah but only recently have they blown up
Have they?
balmy hound
Sugar free really came back and reverse swept these guys 😭😭
errant hornet
its not like a T1 or a G2 which has been much more globally large for a while
glass sleet
Maybe outside but I’m sure they’ve always been popular in their region since the owner was a popular Saudi gamer
errant hornet
but thats different than a large outgrowth of global spending for multiple multiple super teams and advertising
not saying its shady money tbf
it obv comes from a lot of oil money but thats again not really suprising
glass sleet
It’s not shady money. It’s business money. Literally money from selling oil
errant hornet
nor is it direft corruption or anything
its not like RT or something in the west which basically explicitly exists as a russian propoganda asset
glass sleet
It’s not “sports washing” is it
errant hornet
idk
static turret
Nrg match next ?
glass sleet
Yep
errant hornet
well the 2 shikigami fans are mad rn
glass sleet
After that is NTMR
errant hornet
ig
static turret
They play fluffy right ?
glass sleet
Yes
balmy hound
well the 2 shikigami fans are mad rn
Where are they even from
errant hornet
Where are they even from
fuck if I know
who the fuck even cares about that team XD
its like the most forgettable team in NA
balmy hound
I wonder if NRG Shock from USA?
static turret
Yes
errant hornet
yeah
glass sleet
Can we get more drops
You don’t like 8 hours for a spray?
static turret
Sf shock formerly
static turret
You don’t like 8 hours for a spray?
Huge drops
glass sleet
Huge drops
Next week is echo OWCS skin
static turret
Ass
errant hornet
most amount of work blizzard has done for OWCS
glass sleet
Yeah
errant hornet
XD
balmy hound
Sf shock formerly
Oh
glass sleet
I’ve always wanted it
But it’s free now so W blizz
At least I’m getting the bap skin. Makes up a little for the huge miss on mha collab
static turret
Shiki making it to top 8?
Is na that cooked?
Looking at group A it’s Toronto and randoms
Ngl
Yfp has luka actually
But idk if that’s the good luka or the trash one
And tanuki doesn’t even have an official liquepeida page
static turret
Racist ?
glass sleet
Why does NTMR always have to be the last team
hybrid hollow
Should've been on brig to protect my goat
static turret
Pge getting subbed out
hybrid hollow
Anddddd he's on tracer
hybrid hollow
Tr33 already warming up
hybrid hollow
Hollon this ryan guy is kinda crazy tho
static turret
EWWWWWWWWWW
wise orbit
Who is this ryan guy hes insane
static turret
Ngl
Idk if nrg is playing ass or fluffy is just cooking
Pge finding 3
Does kellan stream?
hybrid hollow
Walmart proper gotta save us
static turret
Ryan might be him
hybrid hollow
Why is budget London on my screen
wise orbit
rein team spotted im now a fan
wise orbit
wow
torn portal
Who is this ryan guy hes insane
OMG
RYAN IS SUBBED FOR HAVEN BECAUSE HIS MOM MADE DINNER
wise orbit
LOL
static turret
RYAN IS SUBBED FOR HAVEN BECAUSE HIS MOM MADE DINNER
Deadass ?
torn portal
Deadass ?
Okay he said in unter chat “okay she legit believed i was playing something nobody was watching so i had to show her the stream”
yk with 20k viewers
static turret
Lol
torn portal
he’s eating at the pc now
static turret
Maybe attack can’t play rn?
Kellan isn’t doing well
But I heard kellan had a bad performance last year
viscid hatch
He is just lackluster
static turret
Pge wasn’t doing to well
viscid hatch
Doesn't matter where he goes, he will be mid
hybrid hollow
1m vs 3m
static turret
Nrg getting there ass beat
bronze lodge
NRG please
hybrid hollow
How is nrg 1-2 against a team name fuffly
Ryan highkey insane and nrg highkey ass
They probably would've won blizzard world if the carry didn't have to eat dinner
Bros mom pulled him away from the game mid series
hybrid hollow
He's doing ok
Tbh Kellan is in on maps he shouldn't be
And he's not doing to well on top of tht
I guess attack can't play today
static pond
Kellen would be a good ball tbh
hybrid hollow
Kellen would be a good ball tbh
He was not balling on illios
hybrid hollow
Tbf the ball wasn't the play there and it didn't help they were playing ana Juno into tracer genji so PGE was getting harassed
hybrid hollow
they wanted the ana for the ball dive I guess but why not run ana brig
I think it was just a misplay i doubt they try it again after today
static pond
But ether way way better then Juno Ana
hybrid hollow
they were on tracer genji queen tho there was no tank to help with the hits
It was a very weird map
hybrid hollow
tell me NA ow isn't peak
Best of the best 🗣️
static pond
Ngl I think wheats might be the problem
He seem chill but I was collage team coach I think
Can they pick up like a kr coach or does that count as a slot
static turret
Who won blizzard world
hybrid hollow
Coaches can be from any region
hybrid hollow
Who won blizzard world
Draw
static pond
Coaches can be from any region
Oh that ik
hybrid hollow
They don't take up an import slot
static pond
I was just wondering if it counts towards the slots of only 2 outside region
Ahhhh
GET RUSH
hybrid hollow
shikigami has a Korean dps line and are coached by fleta