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Hot take, falcons should let stalk3r and Happy play and bench Proper.
Could you explain why you think those players are the problem. Like what exactly are they doing wrong?
Fielder when he plays ana doesn’t seem to be having many impactful sleeps or antis when he plays against CR and he is getting picked off a lot on bap, some funnily times windows, Smurf just seems to be doing his job which is fine, but up against junbin, Junbin is having way more impact
I understand if Smurf is supposed to be playing slow but it isn’t working
He’s still great
happy is doing a great job on widow and other dps
than stalker is
main problem with falcons is their ego
thinking they dont need meta physical skills
Then it doesn’t seem like Smurf is the problem. He can’t help that no one plays Ball at Junbin’s level. He’s trying to play ball lately so he’s very new to it. But it seems you’re trying to say Fielder seems a bit too passive compared to Shu who plays a bit more aggressive
Happy actually didn’t look that good against Zeta. He was quiet as the kids these days say. He was only popping off against one of the weaker teams.
But definitely not hating on Happy. Like I said, I’m a fan. :p
I’m more so comparing stalk3r to Proper and in my humble opinion think he’s been playing better than Proper.
I also don’t think he has the ego to get in the way
ofc yea
he aint on zeta lvl yet
but im sure happy is better than stalker
You mean Flora’s level…?
One is a hitscan and the other is a fdps
Yeah he plays tracer well
tbh the main reason they put happy in is
But stalker is still mfing stalker
so that proper can play fdps
Yeah that’s what I’m saying
happy can play hitscan
He IS a hitscan bro
but happy aint beating lip
They brought him over so happy can play hitscan and proper can focus on playing flex BUT what I’m saying is that stalker plus happy would probably be better
tbh to become a pro in korea
u have to be good at both hit and fdps
thats why lip and junbin switch
fdps and hitscan sometimes
Hmmm, so like did Mer1t not get the memo or…?
but happy and proper switching is rare
gunba coach affected
Lol when did lip play fdp outside of tracer?
What about flora?
hero pools are whatever falcons just getting mega diffed in every role and it adds up
echo mei genji
When was that?
flora is also good at both fd and hit
owcs asia
No, his tracer is bad. Just like Lip’s
and when cr was wac
Oh so against bad teams….yeah that doesn’t count
he aint that bad
just not on heesang lvl
Yeah
Lip tracer is 90% mechanics and aim and 10% rest
Finally, some good regular season matches
Luckily his tracking is goated
vs 
No lip and flora’s tracers are below the actual tracer players. Like heesang, stalk3r, proper, and sugarfree bro.
But they’re still ok on them so it’s fine
doesnt matter if you arent flexible if you are the best hitscan in the world you just walk around and kill everyone
I take lip over sugar tbh
mostly coach diff too
You don’t have to be flexible when you have Heesang pulling your weight
thats why shd is the goat
Like lip tracer is keeping up with stalker and proper when lip is feeling it hard
On tracer…? I’m sorry that’s a wrong choice.
Watch the lip tracer play in dallas finals
Hell no
Absolutely not
His tracer is definitely not
I did
heesang>>>>proper>>>sugar= lip>>alphayi>>>>> any other tracer
Lip had some insane tracer perfomances vs the only relevant enemy
stalker?
Bro, stalker before sugarfree
By 7 levels
doesnt stop. him from being good
real but
Stalker over proper on tracer
i rarely count in benchs
He’s literally top 3 tracers if not the best. He was literally best tracer in last owl season
^ actually
but got dogged by heesang after owl
Everyone is getting dogged by heesang
Heesang is the best flex dps on the planet
real
Heesang Kevster, proper, stalker, sugarfree, happy, hell even sauna THEN lip and flora
no lip is not that bad
It’s not that bad that’s true but it’s not close to the actual top tier tracer players
Sauna being there is a troll
-most POTM in owcs asia & owcs Korea
- highest pulse attach rate in flashops
- didnt die once in qualifier matchs flashops
Lip is still an A tier tracer at least, flora is just ass on her though
thats heesang
Tbh lip got diffed by shy in tracer matchup
no way u saying sauna is better than Lip
On half of them there is a tierbreak between them and second place
man lip aint that bad
bro never heard about SF Shock or NYXL then I have some bad news for you
That was a troll like I said
Both of thise were beatable
CR isnt
oh leave tracer is good too but i guess we havnet seen it a heap
You cannot build a team that beats CR
Better than lip
For sure
NYXL was not beatable in their first region up until a meta change back in 2018
yeah im sure if leave played consistently he would hang with the very top, heesang & stalker
insane player
Cr went unbeatable through meta changes
Mhm yeah actually
pine jjonak 🔥
this is so true
junbin is probably the most flexible player i have ever seen
And even nyxl and shock didnt have the best players on every single position
Unless it comes to off tanks
His ram?
Sigma?
Rein
thats where max can cover
Dva
thats why Cr is unfair
CR literally couldn't upgrade their players if they wanted to
Then junbin isn’t that flexible
He’s very good main tank
Probably the best
less switch needed
Lip vs Shu whose fanposter is superior
Junbin is the best tank atm
left
Imo
hands down
Junbin best tank, Heesang best fdps, Lip arguably best hitscan, Shu SSS+ Tier flex sup, chorong top1 main sup
Unfair team
falcon winning
That’s it?
thats the top
the below one says
Wow!
haejeokdan fighting!
i luv ow
KURUMA FALCONS DRAWING
nah
HJD my Korean team
the kuruma was haejeokdan fan
5 hours sleep to watch this
Bro it had the falcons logo wdym
You got 5 hours? Lucky
Pirate group?
the top guy was a falcons guy
the below one with kuruma was hjd
fan
yuh
I meant current stream. Someone drew a kuruma and had a falcons logo next to it
thats why it has a pirate logo
theres no falcons logo in this below guy
Lol bro! I said the drawing was in the CURRENT LIVE stream
The kuruma one
ah
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO
what a nice barrage
Fielder dies with nano
Yeah but they wanted Lucio brig maybe
either losing from too much ego or CR is just dominant
but its the latter
U remember last finals
Falcons almost won
yea when it was soj meta
Last owcs Asian was falcons winning
now its ball meta
LETS GOOOOO SMURF BALL
Junbin time
smurf ball dam
Asia Grand finals? No it was falcons.
Will need to watch back
No need. I remember falcons winning the finals
lip hates proper
He’s so toxic you should hate him
cus he boosted
Jk
Why
I mean
Proper is toxic to lip?
yea
How so
they both hate each other
No, proper is toxic overall
Lies
i got lips signature on my mouse pad too
You’re spreading lies
Tbh I don’t often really care for toxicity I just value skill. I feel like proper is best global tracer and she’s my fav
._.
Lip is better hitscan and overall dps
yes
yes
i respect both
Than proper?
Proper is better than lip at certain heroes
tbh as of now best hitscan is heesang
On fdps yeah he’s better
Ashe cass etc
Nah can we talk about Smurf actually doing well on ball?
smurf ball thinking he can beat junbin ball
NAH that’s not it. Junbin got carried by heesang
Thank you
I disagree with heesang being better
No heesang is definitely the more valuable dps on raccoon 🦝
Shu clears I'm afraid
Heesang allows Lip to pop off on hitscan
finally, someone who gets it
true WAC fans support the shu poster
well ppl can have different opinions
Guys falcons need Sirmajed go carry
and shu vs lip, shu would win the hero gauntlet 1v1
chiyo gap
Always love shu more 
heesang was overestimated during owl
its time for majed
overestimated or underestimated
Heesang has been top dps since freaking flash ops
bro was getting overestimated and got benched
Hanbin coming in
but that wasnt his real skill cus of his other dps
and coach
not trusting him
on hitscan
Guys
i wanna see blizzard world so ba
Did pelican retire
well he was top dps before but nobdoy really knew about heesangs skill
Cuz titans sucked
cus coach didnt want him to play tracer or any dps
he can't play due to roster restrictions
I wish Korea could stream on twitch easily
Wdym
Wdym
There are issues with them streaming to us
FUUUUUUUK
US
twitch aint available anymore in korea
How is stalk3r streaming on twitch then…?
I just value player skill so I settle with watching the pros that stream here
No way he’s still on m80. He left so long ago
Seeker does a lot and pge
You have to vpn to use it and you don't get any income from it really I'm pretty sure
not in korea
He’s in Korea…
Why did Korea do that to twitch?
i see sirmajed stalker pelican
live all the time on twitch
literally main reason why lip switched to czzk
Korea wanted money I think
cus twitxh not working
yes
MAAAAAAN that’s so bs
Koreans can’t stream cuz Korea said fuck you
either stalker and pelican using vpn
First time actually catching Korea live this stage and I forgot happy is on falcons
or they not in korea
they wanted a shit ton more money, and put that rule so that more domestic equivalents would be able to take off (kakaotv, afreeca, etc)
Take off when the entire world uses twitch
yep
they don't care lmao
Yeah m80 doesn't exist now
M80 isn’t a thing tho
m80 technically hasn't left pelican have they
WHERE THE HELL IS PELICAN
No where
SET HIM FREE
just watch twitch
Hes not signed anywhere I believe
wth why did m80 disband
that's because as the AVRL clip mentioned, M80 can't sign anymore players after rebuilding so they had to force "retirement" of their players
The problem is Koreans who wanna stream on the website that actually matters and they can’t
They literally never scrimmed, they sucked, and coluge didn't wanna play in the first place
already breaking too many rules basically and cannot bring forward a complete roster
He joined to get paid
yea o welp
i recommend chzkk
Why can’t their players just change if that’s the situation that happened. The player is forced to retire cuz the org sold everyone?
pelican just can't q competitive till 2025 so he's just taking time off ig
No I remember the post said “happy and pelican left”
M80 fucked pelican?
idk how the announcements went but happy like on paper was separated from m80 way before most likely
Happy and pelican played till they BOTH got swapped for tr33 and spectra
Cuz the two left…RIGHT?
correct
but happy got a contract from falcons
before leaving
Raccoon won that fight and they only needed to use 4 ults
while pelican didnt
Oh
I’m shocked no one wants pelican
🥶
No that wasn’t Lip, it was chiyo. Chiyo shot himself
🤣
happy really is doing good ngl
its really their mental ego problem
im predicting 3-1
raccoon
Happy hit 3 headshots in a row and stream asking why he can’t hit shit
i just got my reward vacation today
my first time seeing live ow match
if i wasnt in the navy rn
id be live on LAN
holding a banner
In the military I meant
lel
What is hanbin doing
hanbin really loves his dva
Just die point
bad choice
hed wouldnt get in supports heal zone
and proll die
lol
i thought falcon was gonna win
Ewc part two
Bro they gave them lead
but cr just better
Dying point is better there
He literally got de mech anyways
they gave them lead for free man
Maaaaan that’s so annoying
🤣😭
They had that game
I just wanted a third game
i gave them 3-1 but now i think its
You’ll get a third game
3-0
Oh it’s 3 wins
man just put majed in
Proper is the problem
i wanna see how good majed is
They looked better when stalk3r was carrying
Proper tracer is so fun to watch
and 4 for ewc
Last time he played, he was carrying his team.
Also feel like Junbin is better than Smurf overall
against which team
Bro out here getting first kills every fight and at least 2 a fight
i remember seeing falcons losing to zeta
My beloved pirate team
Cuz he didn’t play

Will EU or NA ever be relevant lol
Chiyo mad so he said no Sirmajed I carry no gg
Bro they never beating raccoons
man if i dont see majed in for match map
imma be sad
So Korea is irrelevant then cuz they can’t beat raccoon?
NA is pepega region
Chiyo might fight him bro
Falcons is closest team to compete with raccoons
NA is shit
is twisted still suffering from roster
Yeah sure
No they rolled GG yesterday
eh
How’s heesung doing?
NA and EU are terrible compared
now i have never heard of that team
Cosmetic regions
Apr1ta clears
Gaming gladiators? Really? They beat SSG I think at some point
Oh
They’re peps
peps ik
Peps got picked up by GG
ah
THEY BETTER BRING IN SIRMAJED
busy tryna catch up things while in military
they 3:0 ssg and tm last stage lol
THEY BROUGHT HIM IN
Wait who’s pick is this map
MAJEEDDDSSS
Falcons obviously
finally the goats in
They wanna try to outwid lip?
time to diff the fake flex chorong fraud
Btw you didn’t see his Lucio. Best Lucio in Korea
l o l
Happy is really good widow bro. He made his name on her
if falcon wins this game
I hope so
then majed better than chiyo
He is better
ik
I just remember NA would always pick circuit vs Korea and just insta lose lol
chiyo been on fraud watch this series
chiyo is washed
i just think they dont use sirmajed
Chiyo stuck playing Lucio brig and brig isn’t that good atm
much because its annoying for them not to speak their nativelanguage
fr
Sirmajed played illary and zen and bro was popping off
still cant beat chorong illari
My theory is that chiyo always fights for his spot but gives up after losing two games
Sirmajed is better
nah
Man Fielder has been putting his life and soul on the line, Proper gets opening picks, and then nothing happens after that...
Yah
Tbh I think the players are really good and aren’t the problem, it’s just hanbin, Smurf, happy, stalker, proper, Sirmajed, fielder, chiyo but that’s it. Everyone else is fine
No WIDOW????
See, chorong scared to play illary against him
happy lol
💀💀💀
mf playing pirates of the carribian
bald statement
maybe we see illari
Fielder really used suzu against winton in spawn…
Wdym?? She’s better on defense
man what is these comps
He’s 100% scared. You can smell the fear
He’s stupid?
the reason why ppl think mahed illari is better is cus
majed carry as usual
Aaaaaah
nobody really played illari
Is cuz he is
other than majed

majed : the most death record out of all owl rosters in 2023
Bro his team sucked
You have to play aggressively to try to carry your ass team
That’s a fact
I made up
playing illari and not matching with team comps
Wdym? They asked him to play illary
and blaming that the team did bad isnt a good reason
thats the only thing he could play other than zen
Dafuq? You think he plays whatever he wants?
thats the larry diff right there
he cant
He plays bap, Ana, kiriko, zen, illary. Bro he plays flex support
plays kiri bap ana zen
i mean he doesn’t really have many choice
Junkbuk literally putting him in to play bap and benching fielder
gets diff
not on kiri bap. ana maybe
he was in defiant cuz of his crazy kiriko
shu bap better
It’s a complement to Sirmajed comparing his bap to shu
Shu inting
still u cant compare majed to chorong
OMG SIRMAJED THE CLUTCH MASTER
falc better win this map
I can and I will
or else falc is just washed
Also chorong main support so they don’t play the same heroes outside of illary
That wast sirmajid
SIRMAJED
Crazy raccoon had bad ults

I really do not like the Winston here tho
not new
new patch comes out next season
I’m hungry!!!!
Junbin messed up on defense
this is current season patch
Looking forward to it
Primal too early
huge nano diff
Crazy raccoon has to be sandbagging
fr
It’s fine. They just used 4 ults
They forgot to take out Junbin
man if it works it works
heesang is known for his ult cycling anyways
if u see in zeta match
and shu ana ult is just different
WHAT IS PROPER DOING
Nah there sandbagging
It what dragons did during there winning season theu sandbag last tournament
nah
To take breaks
they copied the pacific comps
It a common thing
lol
Can this end?
why isnt falcons winning
No way
I’m starving I need food
Tbh I don’t think circuit was a good pick for them
I have work in 7 hours
But I can’t miss out on watching the goat
How is crazy raccoon winning this
fr 🤣
why do they give them so much space with a diva widow
Raccoons tank is hard diffing falcons
lol
JQ on royale…is this OWWC all over again
Fr there learning from console comp
Falcons trolling now
the hanbin queen
nah i trust hanbin queen
hanbin is just playing mystery heroes
HOW LMAO
ggs
The fall off of falcons needs to be studied
Nah falcons are
they are already fell
Nah they beat them before and had super close games
Now it’s a joke
man my english while walking
MAUGA
MAUGA
Tbh falcons deserves the toxicity after this performance
Now raccoons is trolling them lol
majed couldnt carry
I’ll eat something finally
lmaooooo
ig the downfall was just the ego
Someone nerf this team
even majed couldnt carry their ego
Yeah Smurf, fielder, proper, happy, are just too bad
May need to retire being a falcons fan
Junbin deserves it
Anyways see y’all later
Junbin diffed Smurf pretty hard
Falcons only really ever has a chance at winning maps when proper is on tracer
Otherwise they falling very short
Junbin is so good
Honestly it can be like team falcons as a whole is
MVP
and happy benched
Why did they not use him
Still a 3-0
Stalker proper is great duo
Junbins felt like the best tank in the league by a mile
real
True
Falcons needs to stop throwing challenge
tm

Shu chorong goated support line combined with junbin is monster
easy 3:0
Falcons aren’t even throwing CR are just better
tm beating cr
It’s easy to root for the best team tho Ngl
fosho fosho
tbf tho tm is actually back now
Ik but I like glazing worse teams
i rooted for them since wac
He been rooting since dragons days
Yeah
so real
As long as he’s not band wagon
was rooting for shu
then he ended up there
That’s fine
even cr coaches are all shd coaches
This is bait dont fall for it
I’ve seen a lot of band wagon raccoons
Since guangzhou
It’s wild
I wish Danteh still played OWCS
Everyone was falcons until the first cr win
Nah you don’t
Nah I’m staying a falcons fan just need Smurf to step it up
He living his life
I loved shock when super was there. When he retired, found my new fav player in shu's ridiculous bap plays. Been following him since then 
kong pavane moon = goat shd grand finals owl + 2018 ow world cup coaches
lip : shd dps
It makes sense cuz no one knew junbin is best tank
And heesang becoming best flex dps
I have always loved proper. His tracer is amazing
i was still rooting for cr even when they lost during owcs asia
Yeah
I’m in love with shu
and cr won owcs grand finals
It’s been for too long
Its now up to zeta to beat cr
That’s fine. As long as no band wagon like other ppl I meet
Not here tho
I usually support players
Dude falcons are so weak
To
Many
Teams have players I like
lol
Oml that’s my dream
Don’t worry illari will carry
Did they do signings
Ya
just search my name and images here on discord
ull see my mouse pad
He lives in kr don’t
You?
i do
Chat in general or serious it’s why lol
Kinda dumb
Oh makes sense
im currently in navy military so couldnt catch up to ow matches
Only team i could see besting cr is toronto and zeta
I just see zeta
I will give 1 trillion dollars for the mousepad
Toronto especially cuz they keep improving
i see zeta
Proper has never really disappointed. Even after he's fought CR, still love him a lot <3
And always loved Fielder and his ridiculous ana
how long is the military service in korea
Real
Idk seems to have gotten better in ewc
thats my mouse pad
They did a boot camp in korea and hero bans benefited toronto a lot
20months for navy
It just same thing as they been
I wanna see nrg more
got lip junbin max chorong heesang
damn you wanted to go or is it required
sadly no shu :(
Nrg has me excited
its mandatory
for all korean man
after army imma get Shus signature on my mouse pad
He’s best tracer in the world. Very fun to watch
yeah its same where i live but only 9 months for it
I’m sad he only got tracer on 1 map
proper is more toxic then youbi
they da same
He has bad mental imo
Waiting for the 4th proper retirement post
Who is tm
Why is he toxic towards twisted even?
he is part of twisted
hes just a toxic
guy
Ngl I don’t really care if he’s toxic I just like seeing him play on tracer
Started blocking people and dm people
I value skill over anything else
How
fr
dont know lol
Fingers cross next year is 6v6 for pros
but people spectulating
Super will join OWCS and beat Korea
proper is toxic
Trust
Man chiyo made proper toxic
He mad team china look like the bad guy on purpose
bro said “he is still the best cus of world cup” / after getting 4-0 by toronto
🤣
and that proper complained about having to play hitscan so they got happy
Uncoachable said 2023 shock was toxic because of proper
3-0
makes sense
Sometimes zeta does dumb stuff so idrk
What team is zeta
Could be 3-1
Who on zeta
Heard this
the team that beat falcons 🤣
Prob the second best team
Now
As long as violet stays off Lucio
That can be said but happy himself Ist that good tho
yea
happy isnt the problem in falcons
Proper was better hit scan
Happys great
the problem is ego and comms
I’ve never even heard of them
He not bad but compare to like lip it just different
I don’t think propers hitscan is better than happy
For sure
The times falcons looked close with crazy raccoons is when they strayed away from hitscan
Proper is better at some flex heroes than anyone else , he doesn’t specialize hitscan
Yeah
They need proper on tracer ideally
Nah unironically happys peak is as good as lips, he’s always struggled with inconsistency
And I agree stalker should be brought in
It not
On Atlanta lip diff happy so bad
i remember the time falcons brought
Even on tracer
Not peak happy
the day i was disappointed in wac
Ya that peak happy
but i still rooted for wac
Happys sombra doesn’t compare but his hitscan does
He had fearless
Atlanta verse Houston was all tracer sombra, I’m saying Happys hitscan does compete with lip
wait did fearless leave zeta?
Military
damn
Lip also said he was gonna join army if he lost
They signed a complete unknown prospect called heesung
in ewc
Heesung
🤣
heesang wanna be
Yea not unknown
He was in the scene
jkjk
Just hard to look at players with no contenders
Oh whoops
Ngl I expected falcons to sign that hit scan from
Runaway
He was a rookie
But he looked really good
Prophet
prophet is not really a complete hitscan player
Well not a rookie
dosent he only play ashe widow
Prophet is mid
He is
Widow mccree Ashe
Some
Soj
Not good enougth for falcons
Didt get to see his tracer due to the meta tho
Falcons is in third
the team talked about getting seujoun which they did so they could cover up for prophet
Huh?
Ik but if they wanna be number porphet aint gonna cut it
He shows peaks plus
Talents pops out on higher teams
Just on soj tho?
ive never seen prophet on cassidy
Wast that month mostly soj tho
i still dont see any team beating Cr
What episode is this btw i wanna watch it
Nvm just watch it wow shock was a asshole to
Him lol
What they said about heesang
Wait poker face?
did anyone else watch the shock vs tsm game yesterday
pge went 25-22 on eichenwalde and nrg still won because tr33 and kellan were demons
❤️
Wtf happened lol
Yeah I watched that. Kellan was crazy. Makes me sad he left TM
why is bro throwing up the albania symbol lol
Tsm were running low on ideas so they decided that jumping pge every opportunity would work
Dva and echo were on him 99% of the match
I meant wtf happened with zeta v Pokerface
Who won
I know. I watched the whole thing.
shocking
3-2 zeta. They didn’t push a single meter so all they had to do was touch
It was so funny
fucked up
Damn how did he become a solid tracer so fast
He was on ENCE then left and joined cloudy
Ah ok
I got VP 3-1 for this match
Cloudy playing Shield simulator
They're not SSG I fear
Bro thinks he's still in contenders
Feels weird seeing 0 tracers nowadays
True
Me on rein
It doesn’t matter eirher way cloudy getting farmed
This might be EU durpee
I don't think so
W life weaver play
Even if they had another tank this roster just can't stack to vp
After ewc vp has been looking like a top 3 team in EU
Knowing cloudy he'll unironically go circuit for the content
I think its shambali
See